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Grand Tour Overlanding · The Overland Journal Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. I am
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Speaker 1: your host, Scott Brady, fresh back from a little sailing expedition,
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Speaker 1: and I'm here with my co host Matt Scott.
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Speaker 2: Who kept his seat, did not get sea legs. I
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Speaker 2: stayed on dry land where I belong.
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Speaker 1: That was actually the most bizarre part of it was
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Speaker 1: after almost a month at sea getting back on dry land.
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Speaker 1: Now I know why Jack Sparrow walks the way that
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Speaker 1: he does and pirates do. Like you, they talk about
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Speaker 1: a drunken sailor. You're not drunk, you just can't walk yet.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, it was oh and and then you wake
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Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night, you know, because
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Speaker 1: I've been on a sailboat for that long. Like I
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Speaker 1: was in a hotel room and I woke up in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the night and the whole room was moving,
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Speaker 1: like the boat was. Like it's just you don't get
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Speaker 1: used to it. It takes like about a week to
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Speaker 1: stop following me. My question is like, how does that
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Speaker 1: translate to going into the bathroom? Like did you did
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Speaker 1: you like have your first solid on solid ground.
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Speaker 2: You're like like, like did you have to book like
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Speaker 2: a handicap?
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Speaker 1: because going to the bathroom on the boat is a challenge, right,
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Speaker 1: because it's all about triangulation. You're trying to triangulate. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: You're trying to have many points of contact, which of
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Speaker 1: course becomes complicated when you're trying to go to.
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Speaker 2: The bath So yeah, I want to just I just
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Speaker 2: went for an aqua bog.
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Speaker 1: You're right on the ocean. What is an aqua bog?
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Speaker 1: It is an Australian term for taking ash in the water.
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Speaker 1: Oh well, there you go, guys. This is this is educating.
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Speaker 1: This has been educational for all of our listeners. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to Australian culture. One oh one with your host. That
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Speaker 1: sounds terrible who briefly lived there? Now it was amazing.
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Speaker 1: I mean, just there are so many parallels to overland
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Speaker 1: travel that we're going to talk about at a future episode.
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Speaker 1: We'll get Brian McVicar's who is part of our team
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Speaker 1: and was with me on the trip. And for those
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Speaker 1: who want to kind of follow along with what's happening,
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Speaker 1: it's on Instagram. It's at Kailani Expedition. The goal was
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Speaker 1: to sail from Long Beach, so essentially Los Angeles. We
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Speaker 1: sailed across the Pacific Ocean and we ended up at
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Speaker 1: the Aleutian Island and into the Burying Sea, and the
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Speaker 1: team continued on after I flew out, and they went
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Speaker 1: on to the island of Au two, which is where
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Speaker 1: they're at right now, which is the both the westernmost
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Speaker 1: and the easternmost point of the United States because it's
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Speaker 1: across the International date Line. Oh cool, And I think
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Speaker 1: that that's where Sarah Palin thought she could see Russia from.
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Speaker 1: But it's that close. It's very close to Russia. Yeah. So,
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Speaker 1: but it was. It was a fascinating experience. It does
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Speaker 1: get pretty rowdy in the Pacific, but it was not
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Speaker 1: that good in some of.
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Speaker 2: The videos that you were sending me. I was like,
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Speaker 2: I was getting seasick, like Impresscott.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, my couch. That'll be my one little tip that
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Speaker 1: we'll talk about today and then we'll get into more
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Speaker 1: stuff on that podcast. But there is this relief it's
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Speaker 1: called a relief band. It's designed by Johnson and Johnson
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Speaker 1: for cancer patients that are having nausea, but it works
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Speaker 1: just as well for people who get seasick or get
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Speaker 1: motion sickness in a car or whatever. It is a
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Speaker 1: FDA approved device and it works for it. Oh you've
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Speaker 1: used it, that's right about one? Yes, right, Because you
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Speaker 1: make yourself sick in your car. I make I now.
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Speaker 2: Have the ability to make myself sick when I'm driving fast,
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Speaker 2: which is fun.
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Speaker 1: That's unfortunate. Worked out like our raced cars for fifteen
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Speaker 1: years straight. You get an old man hit your thirties
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Speaker 1: and things just go downhill.
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Speaker 2: Like it sucks man, Like I, I just want to
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Speaker 2: go back to a scooter in a backpack in Asia
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Speaker 2: or something.
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Speaker 1: But like you can.
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Speaker 2: You did that option, you know, my scientific, highly scientific,
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Speaker 2: very scientific test. I whilst hungover, went and drove with
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Speaker 2: the worst driver I know, and I was fine. Oh
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Speaker 2: normally thirty seconds had been would have been in a
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Speaker 2: not fun time.
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Speaker 1: Totally fine. Yeah, there you go, There you go.
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Speaker 2: It's pretty basically the CDC. So I read it on Facebook. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: so it does apply to overlanding. Those of you who
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Speaker 2: end up being a passenger in the vehicle and things
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Speaker 2: are not going well and you're feeling sick, take a
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Speaker 2: look at this relief ban.
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Speaker 1: We have no association other than factor that it works.
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Speaker 2: It just works right now and she's not driving, we'll
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Speaker 2: both kind of switch off using it.
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Speaker 1: It's like a little mini tens unit that goes on
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Speaker 1: your wrist and it it basically sent to me it
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Speaker 1: does mine looks like a fitbit. Yeah, and it just
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Speaker 1: kind of excites the vaga nerve in the wrist, which
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Speaker 1: hand kind of okay. It tingles Yeah, it tingles a
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Speaker 1: little bit, but it just completely takes away the whole
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Speaker 1: nodge of things. So that's how I made it across
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Speaker 1: the Pacific without losing my lunch. So, did you lose
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Speaker 1: your lunch at all? No, which was a miracle. It's
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Speaker 1: only because of this lost his lunch. He didn't know.
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Speaker 2: He's like total, he doesn't even work, he doesn't even
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Speaker 2: wear it. Brian's mister sailor.
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Speaker 1: He is mister sailor man totally. So listen to a
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Speaker 1: future episode and we talk about expedition sailing and how
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Speaker 1: it translates. There was a lot that we learned. There
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Speaker 1: was a lot that we learned that translates over to
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Speaker 1: overlanding as well. Yeah, that's how you guys eaten a
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Speaker 1: lot of like tuna did we did? That was amazing.
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Speaker 2: We had sashimi and nagiri right there. It's like it
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Speaker 2: sucks just as much as overlanding.
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Speaker 1: That's yeah, there's just less dirt and a better bathroom.
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Speaker 2: Okay yeah yeah, but waves, yeah, so you're just still
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Speaker 2: moving reath.
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Speaker 1: It was rowdy, but it was good. It was great.
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Speaker 1: And then in today's podcasts, we're going to talk about
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Speaker 1: something a little bit unusual, but it actually predates full
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Speaker 1: drive overland vehicles, and that is driving in a tool
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Speaker 1: drive or driving in a car or a sedan. I'm
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Speaker 1: going to go with car because some of the some
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Speaker 1: of the cars that I'm going to talk that I
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Speaker 1: want to drive around the world, they are fuel drive.
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Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. Yeah, but they're non traditional, non traditional.
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Speaker 1: But the reason why we want to talk about this
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Speaker 1: is to kind of reinforce what Matt and I do
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Speaker 1: our very best in this podcast to do, which is
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Speaker 1: to come back to this essence of overlanding, which is
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Speaker 1: vehicle based travel. And there have been families that have
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Speaker 1: driven across Eurasia in the Sedan that they used for
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Speaker 1: daily commuting in the UK. There are significant trips across
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Speaker 1: the Sahara that have been done with Dashevo. There have
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Speaker 1: been trips around the world that have been done in
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Speaker 1: the same Mercedes Sedan that you know people use as
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Speaker 1: a daily driver. So again coming back to this idea
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Speaker 1: that there are times that you absolutely do need a
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Speaker 1: fool of drive if the conditions require it. But if
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Speaker 1: you want to just go travel and see the world,
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Speaker 1: most of the world has either paved routes or they
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Speaker 1: have well maintained dirt routes, or they have dry, dryer
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Speaker 1: dirt routes. I mean, how many times, Matt, have you
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Speaker 1: and I have been someplace remote? I mean I've been.
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Speaker 1: I've been in Toyota Corolla exactly. I've been in like
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Speaker 1: low range and a Mercedes g Wagon, feeling like I'm
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Speaker 1: articulating or whatever. And then here comes like a bunch
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Speaker 1: of locals and a tursel and then when they get
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Speaker 1: to a tough spot, they all hop out and they
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Speaker 1: all push, and then they get through it and they
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Speaker 1: keep going on their way. So if the goal is travel,
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Speaker 1: if the goal is to just go see the world
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Speaker 1: and hopefully in an inexpensive of a way as possible,
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Speaker 1: a car can be a great solution for that.
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Speaker 2: Well, and I I've kind of touched on before. Not
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Speaker 2: everyone around, you know, I feel that overland travelers that
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Speaker 2: have not yet left America kind of get this idea
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Speaker 2: that I have to have a defender, they have to
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Speaker 2: have a land Cruiser. Yeah, well no, those those are
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Speaker 2: those are very expensive vehicles in America, which is the
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Speaker 2: cheapest car market in the world. You know, a land
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Speaker 2: Cruiser two hundred series in Australia is twice as much
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Speaker 2: as it is here.
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Speaker 1: It is, yeah, very nearly.
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Speaker 2: Twice as much. And I'm generalizing. Most people drive cars.
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Speaker 2: Most people don't even have a Toyota High Lox. Toyta
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Speaker 2: High Lox is like the fancy car. They'll have a
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Speaker 2: I don't know what's worse, a Nissan, yeah, or they'll
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Speaker 2: have a you'll typically sing Young or they'll have a
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Speaker 2: Great Wall, or they'll have you know, on a lot
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Speaker 2: of those vehicles.
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Speaker 1: Like the Great Wall.
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Speaker 2: It's a Chinese company that buys the tooling from GM
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Speaker 2: out of Thailand when they're done making the Colorado. So
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Speaker 2: the next generation Great Wall is going to look like
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Speaker 2: the current generation Colorado is. The last generation Colorado is
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Speaker 2: now a great Wall. You know, you see a lot
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Speaker 2: of that stuff, but you also see a lot of
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Speaker 2: people that can't even afford that. Now, I'm not trying
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Speaker 2: to paint this picture that the rest of the world
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Speaker 2: is impoverished. In America is the shining beacon in the world,
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Speaker 2: because we have so much poverty here and homelessness. But Corollas, Yeah, like,
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Speaker 2: what's that Nissan that's used like everywhere for taxis Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about. It.
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Speaker 2: It's like an it's like an it's almost like a
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Speaker 2: versa like mid nineties CenTra or something like.
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Speaker 1: Totally.
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Speaker 2: I've seen those things like everywhere. Yeah, like places that
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Speaker 2: you could like barely like walk down. And I'm not
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Speaker 2: saying that they're like extraordinarily capable. It's just that when
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Speaker 2: that's what you have, well, their house is over there
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Speaker 2: and they're light.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Most of them are front wheel drive, which is
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Speaker 1: going to be better than a real will drive truck
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Speaker 1: in most cases. Right, So let's talk about some of
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Speaker 1: the other upsides of the car. The initial investment is
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Speaker 1: very very low, lower, very very low. They get excellent
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Speaker 1: fuel economy, so the cost of your fuel on your
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Speaker 1: travels is much less. The other the other upside is
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Speaker 1: is you completely blend in, like you no longer have
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Speaker 1: this four whel drive that has like that everybody notices,
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Speaker 1: which even if you just think about security and safety aside,
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Speaker 1: just the fact that you could roll into a little
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Speaker 1: village and not create so much attention where you can
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Speaker 1: let people just go about their life and they're not
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Speaker 1: seeing this expedition vehicle descend upon their little town. You're
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Speaker 1: just another Mercedes Diesel Sedan that the taxi guy uses
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Speaker 1: it the same in the same town, and you come
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Speaker 1: in and you're likely to be able to find parts
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Speaker 1: for it, and it's gonna fly under the radar. You're
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Speaker 1: not gonna worry about the thing getting stolen. And I
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Speaker 1: think that there's a lot of advantages to that. I
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Speaker 1: love the old Mercedes wagons, Yeah, like the W one,
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Speaker 1: two threes. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I know this lovely, lovely Spanish guy, super nice. He
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Speaker 2: lives in Dubai now, is kind of into the classic
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Speaker 2: car thing. He he did Central and South America. I
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Speaker 2: think he actually rolled his car in like Venezuela or
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Speaker 2: something that hit, but he was in a little Mercedes
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Speaker 2: Wagon and loved it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: You know, I have to say that that's very it's
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Speaker 2: a very romantic idea to take that, like the Mercedes
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Speaker 2: Wagon or the you know, the kind of advintage classic car.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you're not going to find parts, yeah, for
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Speaker 2: stuff like that. Mercedes is kind of the oddball because
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Speaker 2: you can still they kind of go further back with
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Speaker 2: servicing their vehicles. They do, and they have that worldwide
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Speaker 2: part worldwide parts network that is fantastic. But Kia's fund
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Speaker 2: is cheap cars that you can buy here are cheap
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Speaker 2: because they're the same cheap car that you can buy
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Speaker 2: everywhere and they share the same parts.
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Speaker 1: And that would probably be a thing to start with
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Speaker 1: is look for a vehicle that's available in the United
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Speaker 1: States that's also sold in many other countries. And that's
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Speaker 1: probably like an example of one that's a little older.
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Speaker 1: Is you can get these turbocharged and normally aspirated diesel
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Speaker 1: Mercedes Sedans. I've seen them for sale for three, four
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Speaker 1: or five grand, made well, they have an om motor
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Speaker 1: in them, They're made very well. They have an independent
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Speaker 1: rear suspension. You can put a limited slip differential in
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Speaker 1: the back. Not many who listen to this may know
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Speaker 1: of Chris Scott, but Chris Scott is literally one of
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Speaker 1: the og overlanders. He has a great series of books. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he wrote a series of bibles about overlanding extensive travels
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Speaker 1: throughout the throughout northern Africa, and he did a lot
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Speaker 1: of long trips throughout the Sahara, including sand tracks in
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Speaker 1: W one, two three and other variants of the Mercedes Sedans.
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Speaker 1: And he would put a very small coil lift on them,
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Speaker 1: like maybe about an inch or so. A slightly taller tire,
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Speaker 1: steel wheels, limited slip differential. In the back you would
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Speaker 1: add some very light skid plating underneath to protect the
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Speaker 1: sump and a couple other things. And he drove around
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Speaker 1: Northern Africa in the same thing that the taxi guide drives,
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Speaker 1: so you're totally under the radar.
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Speaker 2: We did like one hundred or so miles of the
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Speaker 2: old Dakhar course in Morocco, and I think it was
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Speaker 2: a Dacia.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, Daisy luster.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't a Duster, it was a it was
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Speaker 2: I call it the African Corolla. It had like had
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Speaker 2: like a ninety liter fuel tank and a little turbo diesel,
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Speaker 2: but it actually had it looked like a lifted Corolla.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Perfect, It did great. Yeah, like I had fun.
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Speaker 1: It was cool. It was a rental car.
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Speaker 2: It was the most capable car on the old dak
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Speaker 2: Car course in Morocco that day.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. We saw very few other people. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: then what do they say, every every rental car is
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Speaker 1: a world drive. Yeah, but what's the fastest car rental car?
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Speaker 1: What's the best car off road? A rental car unless
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Speaker 1: you're renting from Nina Barlow, who's very nice and please
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Speaker 1: don't wreck her rental cars. Yeah, yeah, that's right. That's
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Speaker 1: one exception.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but otherwise rental car is very capable, incredibly capable
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Speaker 2: off road.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So there's a lot of upside to this whole
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Speaker 1: idea of a car. And I think that they get
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Speaker 1: underserved in this idea of doing trips around the world.
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Speaker 1: And if we go back in time, if we go
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Speaker 1: back historically, I mean Aloha wonderwell her ninth teen twenties
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Speaker 1: trip around the world, it was the first female to
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Speaker 1: drive around the world. She did it in a Model
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Speaker 1: T again tool drive vehicle. On the roads.
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Speaker 2: I suspect back then we're pretty rough. They were probably
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Speaker 2: pretty bad, not so great, and then probably wasn't that bad.
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Speaker 2: Yeah that's true.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, But I remember when I was getting ready to
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Speaker 1: go on the ferry in France to go over to
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Speaker 1: Tangiers for the Outback Challenge race. And I've got this
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Speaker 1: race prepped, land Cruiser. We're ready to go do this
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Speaker 1: amazing adventure. And all of these little douchevos, these little
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Speaker 1: citron the citron, right, who makes the douche Yeah that's
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Speaker 1: two yeah, duchebo. And then they all they all line
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Speaker 1: up on the same ferry and they're going to go
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Speaker 1: basically on the same route. I mean, are they Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they were, Well, yeah, that's kind of what I want
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Speaker 1: to do. Is I just want to like, we should
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Speaker 1: just troll other Overlanders with duche vos. Let's take Laura's
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Speaker 1: Super and go to the Mojave Road.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be too easy, but with us, a
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Speaker 2: Super is a great example.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, now that we're moving kind of into this idea
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Speaker 1: of the all will drives, but we have seen more
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Speaker 1: and more aftermarket support for the Subarus and they I
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Speaker 1: think they look great. They got fun little motors in them,
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Speaker 1: real cool.
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Speaker 2: But Okay, So Laura, my fiance, she has a suber
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Speaker 2: cross track, great car, very well made. Does not have
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Speaker 2: enough power to run the ac sufficiently. Oh, nor does
15:23
Speaker 2: it have enough power to accelerate in a way that
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Speaker 2: I feel is acceptable.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but she loves it. She loves it. But if
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Speaker 1: you think so, let's think an eight stock.
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Speaker 2: You got to leave them stock because she'll get she
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Speaker 2: gets thirty point eight miles the gallon. I know this
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Speaker 2: because it hasn't changed. But I've talked to people that
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Speaker 2: have lifted these, that do modest tires or they'll do
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Speaker 2: bumpers or this. I've talked to guys that get eleven
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Speaker 2: miles to the gallon because they're just so heavy and
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Speaker 2: dogged down.
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Speaker 1: So that's the key. If you do decide to travel
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Speaker 1: in a Subaru, maybe consider some skid plates. Yeah, maybe
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Speaker 1: consider a slightly operated spring. Definitely keep the weight off
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Speaker 1: the top. When you see a roof ten on the Subaru,
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Speaker 1: bad idea. Yeah, it's just going to greatly affect fuel economy.
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Speaker 1: And then you might as well just take a Tacoma
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Speaker 1: with you.
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Speaker 2: I think it's coma or four Runner. I mean, that's
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Speaker 2: that's that's the conclusion that I've come to very very
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Speaker 2: modest modifications. Is a lot of people ask me, I
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Speaker 2: I want to lift my super hun Like, what are
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Speaker 2: you trying to do with it? Yeah, because a stock
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Speaker 2: four Runner is gonna be better at everything and get
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Speaker 2: better gas mileage.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Once you once you overmodify those superus, the and
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Speaker 1: they really struggle and then the transmissions get hot. They
16:30
Speaker 1: don't have any low range CVTs. Yeah, yeah, but they're fun,
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Speaker 1: they're great. I get why people do it.
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Speaker 2: I don't get why people modify them incredibly extensively.
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Speaker 1: But isn't that the case for all of us, right,
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Speaker 1: like we all like h Like I think about my Tacoma,
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Speaker 1: my first Tacoma black, Yeah, I completely overmodify. Tacoma was fine.
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Speaker 1: It was, but it was like seven pounds. It was,
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Speaker 1: it was, it was, it was.
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Speaker 2: I always run into these Tacomas on the trail that
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Speaker 2: will like get they weigh as much as a full
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Speaker 2: sized truck, and then they get worse gas mileage, fuel economy.
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Speaker 1: So I think it's that same path. Like you start
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Speaker 1: off with the Tacoma when it's stock, it's super capable,
17:08
Speaker 1: it exceeds all your expectations, it gets pretty good gas mileage,
17:12
Speaker 1: it's super reliable, and then you start to try to
17:15
Speaker 1: make it something like an expedition vehicle, and they're not
17:18
Speaker 1: suited for that once they get heavy. If you keep
17:21
Speaker 1: them really light, then take them around the world. Absolutely.
17:24
Speaker 1: But it's the same thing I think for the Subaru.
17:27
Speaker 1: If you get like a Forester, lots of space on
17:30
Speaker 1: the inside, you could easily sleep inside it. Maybe you
17:33
Speaker 1: uprate the springs a little bit to give you just
17:35
Speaker 1: a little bit more clearance.
17:37
Speaker 2: See I look at it the opposite way. I don't
17:39
Speaker 2: think that you touch the suber I think the stoker.
17:42
Speaker 2: The Subaru is the factory upgraded car that you want.
17:46
Speaker 1: Yeah. True.
17:47
Speaker 2: So if you were to take the Mercedes or the
17:50
Speaker 2: you know whatever car Corolla Corolla, and you're like, okay,
17:54
Speaker 2: well I'm going to figure this a little bit more
17:56
Speaker 2: of this whatever.
17:57
Speaker 1: No, that's just a stock suber It stock's true as
18:00
Speaker 1: like eight to nine inches of ground clear. It's nine inches. Yeah, yeah, amazing.
18:04
Speaker 1: So I think that's a good point.
18:06
Speaker 2: You just leave it and then you drive it, yeah,
18:09
Speaker 2: and then go back and then it's just another Subaru
18:13
Speaker 2: that you get to go on eBay, drive into the ground. Yeah,
18:16
Speaker 2: and it goes to like that place in Oregon where
18:18
Speaker 2: all subrews go where they're fed kombucha and ip as,
18:23
Speaker 2: you know, very Oregon. Yeah, you know that's where that's
18:26
Speaker 2: where all subers go. I didn't know that cats go
18:28
Speaker 2: to the farm. Subaru's go to Oregon. Sorry, I like's
18:34
Speaker 2: going to trigger some people. Some people have had their
18:36
Speaker 2: parents tell them that the cat was going to the
18:37
Speaker 2: farm and didn't go to the farm. I was told
18:39
Speaker 2: that the cat was going to the farm, and then
18:41
Speaker 2: I found out it actually did go to a farm.
18:44
Speaker 1: I really did it really go to a farm.
18:46
Speaker 2: I mean, that's why my mom told me, realizing that
18:48
Speaker 2: maybe she was just trying to cover your track.
18:52
Speaker 1: Cats never go to the farm, so Kitty Kitty didn't
18:55
Speaker 1: go to the farm. Y didn't go to the farm. No.
18:58
Speaker 2: I just like to make fun of Oregon, and mainly
19:00
Speaker 2: because of Caleb Wallace, who's a friend of mine that
19:03
Speaker 2: works for me. He's from Oregon and he's young, so
19:06
Speaker 2: he catches all of the flak in our office.
19:08
Speaker 1: All of the Oregon.
19:09
Speaker 2: Drags kombucha, which is sometimes like when I feel like
19:14
Speaker 2: my gut needs a little boost. I don't know, That's
19:17
Speaker 2: what I tell myself because they don't really taste that good,
19:20
Speaker 2: so you hope that what you're doing is healthy.
19:22
Speaker 1: I do those yack cult probiotic things because we're getting older.
19:27
Speaker 2: Matt, Well, okay, this is because I'm a sucker for advertising.
19:32
Speaker 2: Is we went to this baseball game in Tokyo like
19:34
Speaker 2: two years ago, and now I'm a fan of the
19:37
Speaker 2: Tokyo yack cult swallows. Okay, interesting thing. Every baseball player
19:41
Speaker 2: has their own song and chant and it's wonderful. They
19:44
Speaker 2: have these little lovely Japanese girls that walk around with
19:47
Speaker 2: little beer kegs on their back and you get fresh
19:49
Speaker 2: draft beer and like these lovely Japanese people were sharing
19:52
Speaker 2: snacks with us.
19:53
Speaker 1: It was the coolest experience ever. So you went to
19:55
Speaker 1: a baseball game in Japan. Oh, yeah, we love going
19:57
Speaker 1: to baseball games in Japan. I think that was amazing.
19:59
Speaker 2: That's like one of my things that I'm doing post
20:01
Speaker 2: COVID basbaok in Japan.
20:04
Speaker 1: I would love to do that.
20:04
Speaker 2: I have like all these obscure Japanese baseball shirts, Like
20:08
Speaker 2: one of them is green and it has like the
20:10
Speaker 2: Yakult swallows little bird on it and all those Japanese stuff.
20:13
Speaker 2: It could be like, I don't know what it says.
20:15
Speaker 2: It could be saying something very derogatory about me, and
20:18
Speaker 2: I wouldn't know, kind of like the the you know,
20:20
Speaker 2: the tattoos that people get and the Chainese or Chinese.
20:24
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, silly American whatever it says on it. Yeah,
20:28
Speaker 1: that was my politically crect correct interpretation of that. Back
20:32
Speaker 1: to Suberus, so I think that I do think that
20:35
Speaker 1: the suber is a good idea. Yeah, and you see
20:37
Speaker 1: him everywhere in the world. Get a stock SUBERU. Make
20:40
Speaker 1: sure it doesn't have terrible tires.
20:42
Speaker 2: On it.
20:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, quality tires, just like put fuel in it, go go.
20:46
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. It's really actually quite simple. So what what
20:50
Speaker 1: other practical solutions would there be on the car side,
20:53
Speaker 1: I mean very continental gt. Yeah, we got to we
20:55
Speaker 1: got to get into the fun car ideas. Yeah.
20:57
Speaker 2: I don't want to think about boring stuff anymore. Okay, no,
21:00
Speaker 2: oh no, let's talk about boring stub little bit more.
21:01
Speaker 2: Trying think about it. Because there were some turceells that
21:03
Speaker 2: were all will drive. You know, there's astro vans.
21:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, people have made advance, Like why don't people have
21:09
Speaker 1: done some serious astrovan travel?
21:11
Speaker 2: Wax poetic about taking a two wheel drive vanigan somewhere. Yeah,
21:15
Speaker 2: my friend Zach has this lifted Toyota Previa. He was
21:19
Speaker 2: like eighteen when he got that thing, probably from his
21:22
Speaker 2: mom because that's a Toyota Previa. He's done, Smiley Rock,
21:26
Speaker 2: he's done, like all these trails, it comes out with us.
21:28
Speaker 2: You get a Toyota Sienna for like I don't know,
21:30
Speaker 2: fifty bucks on a PS three, you could sleep inside
21:33
Speaker 2: of it and they would probably still run forever forever
21:36
Speaker 2: because those cars are meant to be neglected. Yeah, because
21:39
Speaker 2: when you have like twelve screaming kids, and like you're
21:41
Speaker 2: not thinking about a little change of kids, just like,
21:44
Speaker 2: ooh a door handle, let's pour milk into it. That
21:46
Speaker 2: is what the Toyota Sienna is made for. Therefore it
21:49
Speaker 2: can't break. Yeah, that's probably true, and the fact that
21:52
Speaker 2: it survives. Zach to this point, Zach is a lovely
21:55
Speaker 2: young man. He is a lovely young man, except that
21:57
Speaker 2: he's leaving me and he's going to he's going to
22:00
Speaker 2: school to be a for a service ranger, which sounds awesome,
22:03
Speaker 2: National park ranger. I know, I know it's going to
22:05
Speaker 2: be a sad, sad state. Zach works in our complex.
22:08
Speaker 2: What else is practical? Yeah, I know we're struggling with
22:11
Speaker 2: this one. But there are all the cars that are
22:14
Speaker 2: asking unpractical people practical questions. We're asked about practical cars.
22:18
Speaker 2: We don't know anything about practical cars. Yeah, we tried,
22:21
Speaker 2: we tried, We did try.
22:22
Speaker 1: Okay.
22:23
Speaker 2: Bentley Continental GT. Yeah, okay, So seriously, that's what I
22:26
Speaker 2: want to drive around the world. You can buy a
22:29
Speaker 2: very nice Bentley Continental GT right now for less than
22:33
Speaker 2: the price thirty thousand miles for less than it's a
22:36
Speaker 2: coma with thirty thousand miles.
22:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying that. Yeah, that's true, and then
22:42
Speaker 1: you just put like two Russian flags on the front
22:44
Speaker 1: of it and then you just drive around the world
22:46
Speaker 1: like a Russian oligarchy or Jeremy Clarkson, did you watch
22:49
Speaker 1: that Madagascar special? No? I should have. Did he take
22:53
Speaker 1: a Bentley Continental GT.
22:55
Speaker 2: He took a lifted Bentley Continental GT with four Maax
22:58
Speaker 2: tracks extremes on the top across Madagascar And now he
23:03
Speaker 2: has it on his farm show and it like rips
23:05
Speaker 2: around the farm and it's been apparently it's been flawless.
23:09
Speaker 2: It's amazing. That is amazing, and I want it. Yeah, home,
23:12
Speaker 2: I could have a Continental GT. Yeah yeah, But maybe
23:15
Speaker 2: that's it.
23:16
Speaker 1: Maybe that's because people look at something like a Continental
23:19
Speaker 1: GT or maybe an Audi all will drive car that's
23:22
Speaker 1: like a really nice performing vehicle, and they seem kind
23:25
Speaker 1: of out of reach. But the reality is is a
23:28
Speaker 1: lot of those things depreciate so quickly quickly that you
23:31
Speaker 1: could buy this beautiful driving sedan that is designed for
23:34
Speaker 1: bad roads. I mean, they all if it's going to
23:37
Speaker 1: be sold in Russia, it needs to survive bad roads.
23:39
Speaker 1: So something like a Continental GT. I bet you with
23:42
Speaker 1: some good tires.
23:43
Speaker 2: And you know, I think I think for me, Bentley
23:46
Speaker 2: is like a sentimental brand. You know when you look
23:49
Speaker 2: at like Peeking to Paris. Even the modern recreations, there's
23:54
Speaker 2: always you know, probably not Bentley blowers, but you know
23:58
Speaker 2: three leader Bentley's and twenties and third stuff.
24:00
Speaker 1: They were they were used.
24:03
Speaker 2: As overland vehicles way back when because he didn't have
24:06
Speaker 2: the infrastructure.
24:07
Speaker 1: Well, if you look at Lawrence of Arabia, Rolls Royce,
24:10
Speaker 1: that was a Rolls Royce tool drive. You can get
24:13
Speaker 1: a Rolls Royce.
24:14
Speaker 2: It's not the Corniche, it's the silver Shadow too, Okay,
24:18
Speaker 2: for like five grand. If you look like for what
24:21
Speaker 2: some people pay for rooftop tents, you can get.
24:25
Speaker 1: A Rolls Royce. There you go, and you can sleep
24:28
Speaker 1: in the back.
24:28
Speaker 2: So maybe that's the direction we should go in. This
24:30
Speaker 2: is like, what is the most obscure, crazy thing that
24:33
Speaker 2: you can drive for the cost of a new Riff
24:37
Speaker 2: and an outfitted to Coma. An outfitted to Coma.
24:40
Speaker 1: I mean, oh, that's that's a lot outfitted.
24:42
Speaker 2: To Coma's sixty grand Now, yeah, that's right a realistically, Yeah.
24:46
Speaker 1: That opens up pretty much any car. I had some people.
24:49
Speaker 2: Telling me in southern California that they were selling to
24:51
Speaker 2: Coma's for twenty thousand dollars over sticker for the tierty ones.
24:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they just aren't available. It's crazy.
24:57
Speaker 2: Like the local Ford dealer has like that at Bronco Sport,
25:01
Speaker 2: which is really just a Ford escape and drag, they
25:04
Speaker 2: wanted a five thousand dollars market premium for that.
25:06
Speaker 1: It wasn't even like the cool one.
25:08
Speaker 2: It's just like a car that you can currently actually buy,
25:13
Speaker 2: and it was five thousand dollars over.
25:14
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean they say twenty eight thirty percent increase
25:18
Speaker 1: in used car prices in the last year.
25:20
Speaker 2: My friend Yusuf sent me this graph of everything. Yeah,
25:24
Speaker 2: it's nuts, it's out of control.
25:25
Speaker 1: Thirty yeah, thirty seven percent year over Well, when I
25:28
Speaker 1: just got the GMC eight four, they were just not
25:31
Speaker 1: available in any close configuration, so I just figured I'm
25:35
Speaker 1: going to order it, and then I waited the couple
25:37
Speaker 1: months and it showed up exactly how I wanted. And
25:40
Speaker 1: I think given the fact of used prices, you just
25:43
Speaker 1: buy a new one and wait and get exactly what
25:45
Speaker 1: you want.
25:47
Speaker 2: What I would love to see happen from this I
25:49
Speaker 2: regular listens to the podcast will know that I buy
25:52
Speaker 2: and sell cars all the time. It's a I'm good
25:55
Speaker 2: at seeing market trends and I'll buy a car driving
25:57
Speaker 2: it for a little bit. Particularly lately, cars are going up,
26:01
Speaker 2: buy something desirable before it's desirable.
26:03
Speaker 1: And you have a free car. That's what I do.
26:06
Speaker 2: I hate buying cars from dealers. It is the worst
26:08
Speaker 2: experience is It's very rough, you know, And I wonder
26:13
Speaker 2: if if the auto industry was smart, why not just
26:15
Speaker 2: go on the website. I want this truck and it
26:19
Speaker 2: shows up to your house.
26:20
Speaker 1: Like Tesla's do. Yeah, that'll happen, isn't. Isn't Carvana Though
26:24
Speaker 1: Carvana's used cars, it does that. There's a few like that,
26:28
Speaker 1: and people are having great experiences with that stuff. Yeah,
26:30
Speaker 1: they're buying off lease vehicles that are in good shape,
26:34
Speaker 1: low mileage. They show up on a truck, on a
26:38
Speaker 1: tow truck and they put it in your driveway if
26:41
Speaker 1: you and then you take it for test drive. If
26:43
Speaker 1: you don't want it, they'll take it back for you.
26:44
Speaker 1: I think there's like a small fee or something, but it.
26:48
Speaker 2: Beats getting put into the room with the little finance
26:51
Speaker 2: guy who's like, well, if you don't buy this protection package,
26:54
Speaker 2: we're not gonna be able to give you a good
26:55
Speaker 2: interest ry. Like all of that just crap games come
26:59
Speaker 2: along with it. There's got to be some expiration date
27:03
Speaker 2: to that torture.
27:03
Speaker 1: I think, like.
27:05
Speaker 2: Have a service department. What happens when car I mean
27:07
Speaker 2: cars were coming more and more and more reliable when
27:10
Speaker 2: I was working for Lander over over ten years ago.
27:14
Speaker 2: Even at that point, they were basically realizing that they
27:18
Speaker 2: needed to redesign how a lot of their dealerships function
27:22
Speaker 2: because they were used to having so many mechanics and
27:24
Speaker 2: so many cars working on them, using land rovers the
27:27
Speaker 2: obvious example. Well, now landovers are coome a lot more
27:29
Speaker 2: reliable and they don't have as many service guys. So
27:32
Speaker 2: cars continue to get more reliable. Once the last time
27:35
Speaker 2: your cell phone just quit working, you know, like we
27:38
Speaker 2: used to see all of those cell phone repair shops.
27:41
Speaker 2: You don't really see those that much anymore. Is they're
27:44
Speaker 2: waterproof now? And yeah the phones are waterproof, you know
27:47
Speaker 2: they have the crazy glass. Now when we start looking
27:50
Speaker 2: at electric cars, like what is the point of the
27:52
Speaker 2: dealership going to be?
27:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be very different. I mean even
27:57
Speaker 1: like you said with land I remember talking to Raid
27:59
Speaker 1: and our from land Rover Las Vegas, and he said,
28:01
Speaker 1: that guy, yeah, amazing, going a new car. That's the
28:05
Speaker 1: guy from Landover Las Vegas exactly. And I remember talking
28:09
Speaker 1: to him about land Rover reliability. He's like, Scott, I
28:11
Speaker 1: have one third thirty percent of the texts I used
28:14
Speaker 1: to have. So that means if you just take that
28:16
Speaker 1: as a simple translation, that land Rovers are now two
28:20
Speaker 1: thirds better in the liability exactly than they used to be.
28:23
Speaker 1: And so cars are so much better. And that's why
28:26
Speaker 1: I think like even this idea of taking cars around
28:29
Speaker 1: the world. I mean we're seeing think about all of
28:31
Speaker 1: the tool drive vans, like you said, the Vanigins, and
28:34
Speaker 1: I don't think that we have to wrap our heads
28:36
Speaker 1: around so much. If you want to drive to Oshuaya,
28:38
Speaker 1: you can drive all the way to Ushuaia without needing
28:42
Speaker 1: a fool drive. That is guaranteed. Now, you may get
28:44
Speaker 1: into a little bit of snow, so you have to
28:46
Speaker 1: pay attention to that, so drive it in the right
28:49
Speaker 1: time of year. But the reality is, if the goal
28:52
Speaker 1: is I want to go see South America, and I
28:55
Speaker 1: want to do it as inexpensive as possible, you're probably better.
28:58
Speaker 2: Off doing it in the Yeah, on the exact opposite
29:01
Speaker 2: of the affordable spectrum. Ferrari actually did the Pan American
29:04
Speaker 2: Highway maybe in two thousand and five to two thousand
29:08
Speaker 2: and five, Okay, in six twelve. Skaglietties that it's another
29:12
Speaker 2: obscure choice. You can buy something that's now don't don't
29:15
Speaker 2: do that with the Ferrari.
29:16
Speaker 1: That'd be bad. They would buy it.
29:18
Speaker 2: What I was saying, in two thousand and six, it
29:20
Speaker 2: was possible to take a very long wheelbased four sea
29:24
Speaker 2: front engine V twelve supercar from Ushuaia to the United States.
29:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. And there's and the thing is is, there's
29:32
Speaker 1: also some really great roads along the way. So I mean,
29:35
Speaker 1: I think about changing your what you're doing. Yeah, you're
29:38
Speaker 1: going to focus on the coastal routes and these beautiful
29:40
Speaker 1: I mean, I think about the time that I rode
29:44
Speaker 1: some motogoozies in Italy and we did some dirt with it,
29:48
Speaker 1: you know, when we were in Sardinia, we did some dirt,
29:50
Speaker 1: but I don't even remember that. I literally don't remember
29:52
Speaker 1: the dirt because the roads were so magic. It was
29:56
Speaker 1: like it was a high point travel thing. For me,
29:58
Speaker 1: it was just absolutely glorious. And to do that like
30:02
Speaker 1: an Eventley Continental GT or in a Subaru right would
30:05
Speaker 1: be super fun because you could haul but going around there, yeah,
30:09
Speaker 1: I mean there's the list of obscure vehicles that have
30:12
Speaker 1: done traditional overland roots is pretty significant. It is.
30:18
Speaker 2: There's an auto journal in Australia that took an R
30:21
Speaker 2: eight to Birdsville.
30:22
Speaker 1: That's right. We feature that in Overline Dural years ago.
30:25
Speaker 1: You know, there's even did Big Red with it. Yeah,
30:27
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of crazy things that you can do.
30:29
Speaker 2: I mean obviously, like that's not where we are delving
30:33
Speaker 2: into the world of an exhibition.
30:35
Speaker 1: Total esoteric stuff.
30:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's you know, again, let's work on that
30:39
Speaker 2: sixty thousand dollars budget of a Tacoma and all the
30:42
Speaker 2: stuff that you need. I guess the benefit is that
30:45
Speaker 2: you then do have a place to sleep yep, But
30:47
Speaker 2: oftentimes you're paying for places to sleep, especially if you're
30:51
Speaker 2: in populated areas on the American like when I ran
30:54
Speaker 2: that hot when I ran Panama Passage, like that was
30:57
Speaker 2: the place to camp in Panama City if you needed
31:00
Speaker 2: all your stuff.
31:00
Speaker 1: Nine to eleven could be cool, And there's been eleven.
31:03
Speaker 2: Sure, there's been a lot of on the trip nine
31:05
Speaker 2: eleven that the guy behind four hil four Coffee did
31:09
Speaker 2: the peaking to Paris in a nine to twelve, which
31:13
Speaker 2: for the Orsha unwashed that just means it's a four
31:16
Speaker 2: cylinder nine to eleven from because those are sixties seventies,
31:19
Speaker 2: there's a lot that you can do.
31:20
Speaker 1: Because they're because they're kind of like the Volkswagen Beetle.
31:23
Speaker 1: They're kind of like a Volkswagen Beetle, right there are
31:25
Speaker 1: a rear engine, yeah, rear world drive, very lightweight. I've
31:29
Speaker 1: seen you know, and we've even seen the modified which
31:32
Speaker 1: you know that starts to look great.
31:33
Speaker 2: That's why that's why you start to see like the
31:35
Speaker 2: rally nine to eleven, like the Safari, like Kevin Marshall
31:37
Speaker 2: hazed that Safari nine to eleven. They did that whole
31:41
Speaker 2: like several hundred mile off road trip with all nine
31:44
Speaker 2: to eleven air cooled Safaris, so fun, no problems because
31:47
Speaker 2: they're very well engineered cars. Now nine to eleven we're
31:51
Speaker 2: having this conversation five or ten years ago, you could
31:54
Speaker 2: have bought an air cool nine to eleven for like
31:56
Speaker 2: the gum on the bottom of your this for this
31:58
Speaker 2: used Birkenstock, I could have gotten an air cold nine
32:02
Speaker 2: to eleven.
32:03
Speaker 1: Now they're like one hundred grand y Yeah, like a
32:05
Speaker 1: good one.
32:05
Speaker 2: It's just crazy, but they're all Also there are also
32:08
Speaker 2: not so collector nine to eleven's that you can still
32:12
Speaker 2: get for a bargain.
32:13
Speaker 1: You know what, what would be some good examples of that?
32:15
Speaker 2: Well, I mean right now it's tough, but you know
32:17
Speaker 2: the nine four four is still reased even though it
32:19
Speaker 2: has quadrupled in value. It's quadrupled in value from like
32:23
Speaker 2: twenty five hundred dollars to ten thousand. Sure, you know,
32:26
Speaker 2: the nine to twelve is still a decent value in
32:28
Speaker 2: that space. The nine to ninety.
32:30
Speaker 1: Six, which is a water cool car, is going up
32:33
Speaker 1: in value.
32:34
Speaker 2: They were just I think they hit this point where
32:36
Speaker 2: they were old enough where they weren't cool, and then
32:39
Speaker 2: they still cost a lot to maintain, so they dipped
32:41
Speaker 2: and now people maintained them and the prices kind of
32:44
Speaker 2: have gone back up.
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33:32
Speaker 2: Well, like, let's talk about like not necessarily cars, but
33:36
Speaker 2: these crossover SUVs there are. I mean that is if
33:40
Speaker 2: you think of if in the nineteen eighties the average
33:43
Speaker 2: shape of a car probably looked like a Crownvic.
33:46
Speaker 1: Well now it looks like.
33:47
Speaker 2: An Audi Q three or a Volkswagen Tiguan, or they
33:50
Speaker 2: all look the same. They all look the same, right,
33:53
Speaker 2: and they'd depreciate so much. I mean, you can get
33:56
Speaker 2: you can get a Porsche Cayenne for ten grand that
33:59
Speaker 2: has wheel drive and low range and air suspension. You
34:02
Speaker 2: can get them with lockers, even rear locker, and they're
34:05
Speaker 2: actually made pretty well. There's a lot of i think
34:08
Speaker 2: non traditional things that that you can.
34:10
Speaker 1: Look at, but I think the crossover makes a lot
34:12
Speaker 1: of sense. It's kind of in that super super category
34:15
Speaker 1: where you can get a Honda cr V and if
34:18
Speaker 1: you if you look at the Element, like the Element
34:20
Speaker 1: I think was probably the best example of this. Elements.
34:23
Speaker 1: You could get an eat you know, the the little
34:25
Speaker 1: topper on it, the e camp camper or some miner. Yeah,
34:29
Speaker 1: that's right. So they they had this cool little pop
34:32
Speaker 1: top that bolted on to the top of a of
34:35
Speaker 1: an Element. They were boxy, little all will drive for cool,
34:39
Speaker 1: super function people. I know of people who've driven them
34:41
Speaker 1: all the way down through South America, including some off
34:44
Speaker 1: road stuff. So does I mean Honda makes very good stuff? Yeah? Stuff.
34:50
Speaker 2: Their stuff may not be marketed towards me. It mean,
34:53
Speaker 2: you know, because I'm not a Honda Odyssey buyer and
34:55
Speaker 2: I'm not a Honda a Cord buyer. There's nothing wrong
34:57
Speaker 2: with those. But they're very good vehicles, very good vehicle,
35:00
Speaker 2: very high quality.
35:01
Speaker 1: I mean, think about it like a hunt of six
35:03
Speaker 1: fifty motorcycle it's like classic Thumper runs forever until the
35:07
Speaker 1: end of the end of days.
35:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly thirty years or something with all the fires
35:12
Speaker 2: that we're having.
35:12
Speaker 1: You know. So, but I think if you were to,
35:15
Speaker 1: if you okay, if you were to, let's say we
35:17
Speaker 1: take any sedan like even for me, I would say
35:20
Speaker 1: that the thing that first comes to mind is one
35:23
Speaker 1: of those Diesel Mercedes Sedans or the Bentley Continental. That
35:26
Speaker 1: would be my two.
35:27
Speaker 2: Choices, because one's just eccentric but also still a very
35:30
Speaker 2: well made car.
35:31
Speaker 1: So and the reason why I would pick that Mercedes
35:34
Speaker 1: is when I first got into software consulting, I show
35:38
Speaker 1: up that had a new Impala Chevy and Paula that
35:41
Speaker 1: they were going to have me drive as my company vehicle.
35:43
Speaker 1: The guy who ran the office drove this old W
35:46
Speaker 1: one two three Mercedes Diesel and I'm like, well, because
35:51
Speaker 1: I didn't want to. I did not want to drive
35:52
Speaker 1: the Impala. I said, well, I'm the new guy and
35:55
Speaker 1: I probably shouldn't have the new car this He want
35:58
Speaker 1: the new car, and I'll take the old Mercedes, and
36:00
Speaker 1: he was like and of course he was like, yeah,
36:01
Speaker 1: I'll take the new car. And I ended up exactly
36:04
Speaker 1: what I wanted, which was the Yeah, he got the
36:08
Speaker 1: new car, and I got exactly what I wanted, which
36:10
Speaker 1: was this old Mercedes Sedan. Other than the fact that
36:14
Speaker 1: occasionally the door locks didn't work because they were vacuum operated,
36:17
Speaker 1: this thing it had been part of the company for decades,
36:21
Speaker 1: so long that the odometer stopped working, like a decade
36:25
Speaker 1: before I started driving it. And I drove it for
36:27
Speaker 1: years and years and years, and it was absolutely wonderful,
36:32
Speaker 1: like everything about it. And that's like your sentimental car,
36:34
Speaker 1: it is, and that if I was to say I'm
36:37
Speaker 1: going to go buy a car and go do like
36:39
Speaker 1: a fun overland route, like an obscure car, it would
36:43
Speaker 1: be that Mercedes little Diesel, you know, little turbo Diesel
36:47
Speaker 1: classic nineteen eighties Mercedes Sedan, or maybe the wagon because
36:51
Speaker 1: you could sleep in the back of it. But that
36:52
Speaker 1: would be my choice. But if I think about what
36:54
Speaker 1: I would do to it, I would probably just put
36:56
Speaker 1: a couple of skid plates under it, just to protect
36:58
Speaker 1: the soft bits, and then make sure that I've got
37:01
Speaker 1: the islet toe points on it just in case I
37:04
Speaker 1: got to get pulled out of something. Throw some Max
37:06
Speaker 1: tracks in the back, you know, have a couple of
37:08
Speaker 1: Duffel bags and then maybe you sleep in it every
37:10
Speaker 1: once in a while, but for the most part, I
37:12
Speaker 1: would just go into little villages and stay there. Yeah.
37:15
Speaker 1: Just make it all about not make it nothing to
37:17
Speaker 1: do with the car. It's literally like taking a taxi,
37:20
Speaker 1: just about all yeah, and you just make it literally
37:23
Speaker 1: about the places that you're going to go to and
37:25
Speaker 1: no one's going to notice it. They're not going to
37:26
Speaker 1: notice you at the border crossings, they're not the cops
37:29
Speaker 1: aren't going to pull you over. Yeah. I think so
37:32
Speaker 1: for me, other than the Bentley Continental, because there is
37:34
Speaker 1: a lot of appeal to that, I think that it
37:36
Speaker 1: would be the Mercedes. So what would be your cheap
37:39
Speaker 1: solution and what would be your uber solution?
37:42
Speaker 2: I have to think of this because, like I joined
37:44
Speaker 2: Excision Portland I was like fourteen, So my entire life
37:47
Speaker 2: has just spent overland trucks or stupid sports cars. So
37:51
Speaker 2: what do we define as cheap? Like what's my ceiling?
37:53
Speaker 2: He Let's call it twelve grand?
37:55
Speaker 1: Twelve grand, because I think that's about what you can
37:57
Speaker 1: get those Mercedes, a nice clean to actually make it
38:01
Speaker 1: to Let's just say, yeah, Miata, that would be fun.
38:05
Speaker 1: That would be perfect.
38:06
Speaker 2: Picked the thing up if you get stuck, that would
38:08
Speaker 2: be portrayed it like a motorcycle trip.
38:09
Speaker 1: That's probably what I would take. That would be so fun.
38:12
Speaker 1: And then just stay in cool little hostels and hotels
38:14
Speaker 1: and eco resorts.
38:16
Speaker 2: Sometimes when traveling. I've found probably the cheapest way to
38:20
Speaker 2: do it is in hostels and the occasional hotel with
38:24
Speaker 2: you know, augmented with a backpacking tent. Yeah, all of
38:27
Speaker 2: that is one doable in a Miada and they're very reliable.
38:30
Speaker 2: They get crazy good gas knowledge. If you're Emmy Hall,
38:33
Speaker 2: you can lift this. She does have a cool lifted one.
38:36
Speaker 1: That's right, You guys got to check out Emmy Hall
38:39
Speaker 1: on Instagram. She's got this lifted Mosada and she's an
38:44
Speaker 1: amazing human being a journalist.
38:45
Speaker 2: We accomplished racer accomplish journalist rights Forcinet.
38:49
Speaker 1: What would my like, crele, I like the Miada one,
38:51
Speaker 1: that's good.
38:52
Speaker 2: My expensive car that I would take around the world
38:55
Speaker 2: would be a nine to eleven.
38:56
Speaker 1: That would be sweet. That would be so sweet. So
38:58
Speaker 1: legit too.
38:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're very they're very well made. I just
39:02
Speaker 2: that would be it?
39:03
Speaker 1: Is it? And you would want a recent one, or
39:04
Speaker 1: you'd want an older nine to eleven. They're all good, Yeah,
39:07
Speaker 1: that's the which. So then if they were all good,
39:11
Speaker 1: I have I do think would be the solution. I
39:13
Speaker 1: have very little experience with air cold cars. I've never
39:15
Speaker 1: owned one.
39:16
Speaker 2: Yeah it was actually the first car I drove was
39:19
Speaker 2: an air cold nine eleven with my uncle. But that's
39:21
Speaker 2: the last time I drove one was when I was very,
39:25
Speaker 2: very very young. So yeah, I would probably go with.
39:29
Speaker 1: A nine to ninety seven. Okay, so that what your
39:33
Speaker 1: time for, that's two thousand and five to twenty twelve. Okay.
39:37
Speaker 2: They're a little bit higher, Okay, their overhangs are a
39:41
Speaker 2: little bit less.
39:42
Speaker 1: Are they coiled sprung cars or they or how do
39:45
Speaker 1: they save the suspension? They do have coil.
39:47
Speaker 2: Springs, Yeah, yeah, No nine to elevens, to my knowledge,
39:51
Speaker 2: have ever had air suspension. Okay, although some of them
39:54
Speaker 2: have that front lift. Press a button and it usually
39:57
Speaker 2: raises it at about fifteen milimeters Okay.
40:00
Speaker 1: Some of the newer nine elevens are just so low
40:02
Speaker 1: to the grounds.
40:02
Speaker 2: My concern, ye, that would be a problem, where like
40:05
Speaker 2: a nine nine to seven, you know, you could you
40:07
Speaker 2: could buzz around in one of those pretty easy.
40:09
Speaker 1: And you'd go coop or soft top? What would you go?
40:13
Speaker 1: I would do a coop because I'm not a psychopath.
40:15
Speaker 1: I don't I wasn't aware of that.
40:16
Speaker 2: I don't know anybody who who drives cabriolet nine elevens.
40:21
Speaker 2: Ok They're just they're just like they're like like they're
40:24
Speaker 2: driving the same car, but they're not the same people.
40:28
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, okay, it's like, think of the rovers.
40:31
Speaker 1: We've learned so much today on this podcast.
40:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, opinionated Matt as usual. So there's land rover people, Okay,
40:38
Speaker 2: there's the people who buy land rovers new right, and
40:40
Speaker 2: then there's land river enthusiasts, right, and they're rarely the
40:43
Speaker 2: same people. They are not the same people's right. That's
40:46
Speaker 2: that's coop first. Cabriolet in the night, gotcha. I don't
40:49
Speaker 2: think they can sell for half as much like they're
40:52
Speaker 2: they're I don't want to say they're undesirable, but the
40:54
Speaker 2: cheapest nine to elevens are always the convertibles in transvertible automatics,
40:58
Speaker 2: the tiptronics, gotcha. Okay, this is good to know. So
41:02
Speaker 2: until they went PDK. Okay, So Matt's really what I
41:05
Speaker 2: don't know what a PDK is, so tell me Horsha
41:08
Speaker 2: doppel Kuklon or something. It's it's it's a dual clutch
41:12
Speaker 2: Porscha gearbox in German because an American we would just
41:15
Speaker 2: say dual clutch. Yeah, in German it's eighty seven words
41:19
Speaker 2: put together, so many syllables. Yeah, I love those German
41:25
Speaker 2: engineers though. Yeah, they make amazing stuff.
41:28
Speaker 1: Yes, it would be a nine to eleven for maybe
41:29
Speaker 1: a manual? Did they make a nine to eleven all
41:32
Speaker 1: will drive?
41:33
Speaker 2: Every nine to eleven since eighty nine? Okay with the
41:37
Speaker 2: nine three nine six four has been available with an
41:43
Speaker 2: all wheel So would you do that? Would you go
41:45
Speaker 2: with an oil drive just because of snow and you
41:47
Speaker 2: want to go ski?
41:48
Speaker 1: Maybe?
41:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a Querra four or a Prayer four S
41:50
Speaker 2: would be really fun. I get up never, I don't
41:52
Speaker 2: have much experience. I did drive Brian Doors nine eleven turbo,
41:56
Speaker 2: which is turbo engine, but same. It would be the
41:58
Speaker 2: same chassis in drive line.
42:00
Speaker 1: All wild drive, isn't it. It's like the way they
42:01
Speaker 1: were a will drive ones go. Yeah.
42:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm only saying this because you already took the
42:05
Speaker 2: Bentley like I mean, well, it can you can pick
42:09
Speaker 2: the Bentley Okay, so let's talk Bentley here. Air suspension,
42:12
Speaker 2: It's true, the little the little center console right in
42:14
Speaker 2: front of the cup holders. You've got three different ride
42:17
Speaker 2: height settings, you have different shock settings, and this is
42:20
Speaker 2: for the older ones. You can you have a V twelve.
42:22
Speaker 2: You you have, actually it's a W twelve. It's essential.
42:26
Speaker 2: It's essentially two VR six Volkswagen Chiraco motors with a
42:31
Speaker 2: common crank case.
42:32
Speaker 1: Wow. That engine engine was actually initially designed to be
42:37
Speaker 1: a W eighteen or an Audi supercar project, and then
42:41
Speaker 1: it got shortened into production into a W eight, a
42:45
Speaker 1: W twelve, and a W sixteen for the Veyron. Wow.
42:49
Speaker 2: It's it is fascinating the things you need to know
42:52
Speaker 2: in overlanding. But okay, yeah, so you can put a
42:54
Speaker 2: light truck tire on those cars. They are so big
42:57
Speaker 2: and so heavy they ride on SUV tire unless you
43:01
Speaker 2: decide to go for performance summer tires. I mean, you
43:03
Speaker 2: can put a Pirelli Scorpion Sure tire on there. So
43:07
Speaker 2: that's a huge advantage to that vehicle. You have the
43:10
Speaker 2: air suspension, so you can run up to forty five
43:13
Speaker 2: mile an hour with a two inch lift Wow, that's huge.
43:17
Speaker 2: They're very well made. It looks fantastic. It look fantastic.
43:21
Speaker 2: They send all of the wrong signals. They are going
43:24
Speaker 2: to be impossible to fix. Yeah, but they don't.
43:27
Speaker 1: Really break that much. Like they're very well made. You know.
43:30
Speaker 1: The Bentley thing.
43:31
Speaker 2: Is is that it's a two hundred mile an hour
43:33
Speaker 2: overland vehicle that you can get for less money than
43:37
Speaker 2: a used A used What generation to come?
43:41
Speaker 1: Are we on now? Third gen? Yeah?
43:42
Speaker 2: Okay, So I have a buddy at the windsock in
43:45
Speaker 2: Prescott that I drank at. He just got a twenty
43:47
Speaker 2: fifteen tierty Sport or whatever, nice truck, like forty thousand
43:51
Speaker 2: miles on it for thirty six thousand dollars. Go on
43:54
Speaker 2: Google right now, and I guarantee you that you can
43:56
Speaker 2: find a Bentley with less miles for the same or
43:58
Speaker 2: less money.
43:59
Speaker 1: And you have a W twelve, and you have a
44:01
Speaker 1: W twelve and you can go two hundred miles an
44:03
Speaker 1: hour at it.
44:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just in the track of course, listen or
44:08
Speaker 2: we haven't given a license on this to be obscure. Yeah,
44:11
Speaker 2: we're talking about cars. Like, if you want practical advice,
44:15
Speaker 2: get a super up, get a Corolla. We covered that
44:17
Speaker 2: in the first like four seconds of this podcast. So
44:20
Speaker 2: when I get tweeted at you're super pretentious, yeah, yeah,
44:24
Speaker 2: And well, because we're talking theoretical, right, So if you're
44:27
Speaker 2: theoretically pretentious, that's just because you're having fun with an.
44:30
Speaker 1: Idea, right I did.
44:32
Speaker 2: I did theoretically own a Bentley for a while, but
44:34
Speaker 2: I did theoretically also make money.
44:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it didn't cost you anything, So it's not
44:38
Speaker 1: pretentious at all. That's smart. Took it down Last Dollar
44:41
Speaker 1: Ranch Road and tell your right. That was kind of fun.
44:43
Speaker 2: Did have twenty twos though, which I didn't like the
44:45
Speaker 2: twenty twos, but I had Perrelli scorpions on it like it.
44:48
Speaker 1: I don't know. Because it's a heavy car, like they
44:51
Speaker 1: weigh as much as a gew wagon. They are eligible
44:53
Speaker 1: for Section one seventy nine rapid depreciation because they are
44:57
Speaker 1: considered a commercial vehicle.
44:58
Speaker 2: They're that heavy. The crossfil wait of over six thousand
45:01
Speaker 2: pous that's why many.
45:03
Speaker 1: People own them. That's why. Yeah, so we've now we've
45:06
Speaker 1: now talked about our cheapest and our favorite. What would
45:10
Speaker 1: probably be the best though, like if we were to
45:12
Speaker 1: not do the cheapest and not the ultimate.
45:15
Speaker 2: Best car that you could buy today to drive around
45:18
Speaker 2: the world, in my opinion, E Class E four fifty
45:21
Speaker 2: all train wagon.
45:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. E classes are sold everywhere that's new,
45:26
Speaker 1: and Mercedes is serviceable essentially in any country of the world.
45:30
Speaker 1: They're driven by diplomats, they're driven by taxi drivers, they're
45:33
Speaker 1: driven by politicians. So what would the cheap one be? Corolla? Yeah,
45:39
Speaker 1: either that or like a RAV for CRV. I think
45:43
Speaker 1: those would be really nice choices because they are a
45:46
Speaker 1: little bit taller. Yeah, you can do some sandy tracks
45:49
Speaker 1: and things like that. Or I had a RAV for
45:51
Speaker 1: when we lived in Ridgeway and really nice little car.
45:55
Speaker 1: I'm going hiking here, like oh you oh you drove
45:58
Speaker 1: up that.
46:00
Speaker 2: Cool You're at Prattleville exactly, So you don't need a
46:03
Speaker 2: cheap to well that's when before it opens in.
46:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can run as far as you want on
46:07
Speaker 1: black Bear. Oh but you see Subaru's uh Cinnamon and
46:10
Speaker 1: all those past totally.
46:12
Speaker 2: Do Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean maybe that's the thing.
46:15
Speaker 1: Subaru CRB.
46:17
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to throw an alternative in here
46:20
Speaker 2: for for an affordable car is a Model three Oh
46:25
Speaker 2: purchase prices a little bit more no fuel, very very
46:28
Speaker 2: very little maintenance. You can sleep inside of them. You
46:32
Speaker 2: can plug them in at a campground, so you can
46:34
Speaker 2: go to a campground, okay, and you can get Like
46:36
Speaker 2: Bruce Dorn was telling me about this guy that he
46:38
Speaker 2: ran into some of the Navo reservation had a I'm
46:42
Speaker 2: going to say it was a Model I think it
46:43
Speaker 2: was a.
46:43
Speaker 1: Model three, okay, because and they're old drive.
46:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he'd go and he'd get his fifteen or
46:49
Speaker 2: thirty amp service campsite yep, that you know has your
46:53
Speaker 2: showers and your toilets and your water and all your stuff.
46:56
Speaker 1: So less than if you'll take a gas. Yeah, you've
46:59
Speaker 1: now got a campsite and you've caps the vehicle. You're
47:01
Speaker 1: not when you're traveling. You're not driving more than three
47:05
Speaker 1: to three hundred and fifty miles a day, right, I mean,
47:07
Speaker 1: if you're doing that long term, you're you're blown by everything.
47:11
Speaker 1: And those things also have the ability to like put
47:13
Speaker 1: serious range in in short amounts. So you have a
47:16
Speaker 1: air conditioned and heated camp site because you can sleep
47:20
Speaker 1: in the back, and they have this like apparently they
47:22
Speaker 1: have this like camping mode. You can just like leave
47:23
Speaker 1: the oh, yeah, or like the dog mode where it
47:26
Speaker 1: just keeps temperature controlled. So that's brilliant because you're plugged in,
47:30
Speaker 1: you're not using any fuel, and you're charging at the
47:33
Speaker 1: same time. It's so smart. But that's what it's going
47:35
Speaker 1: to be. Think about it. I mean, we've got we've
47:37
Speaker 1: got the Hummer EV, We've got Mercedes just made the
47:41
Speaker 1: statement today that within the decade they're going to be
47:45
Speaker 1: all electric in their sedan, all their cars electric.
47:47
Speaker 2: Qus just launched Bass and was out uh and Zurich.
47:52
Speaker 2: My buddy bast wat So he was out in Zurich
47:54
Speaker 2: driving that. He's like, it's another level. Yeah, it's a
47:57
Speaker 2: different motoring experience. Yeah, I'm so excited for electric cars
48:01
Speaker 2: and they're coming. So yeah, I'm not saying that I'm
48:03
Speaker 2: not going to still own big, dirty, massive, beautiful V eights.
48:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, or W twelves or whatever they may be. But
48:11
Speaker 1: I think that for a lot of us, Arrivian or
48:15
Speaker 1: a Hummer EV, something that has and they're going to
48:18
Speaker 1: have five hundred miles rains are going to get there
48:20
Speaker 1: and there's no overall was already there. Yeah.
48:23
Speaker 2: The world's fastest production car zero to sixty right now
48:27
Speaker 2: is they've plaid a model s Plaid, Like it's a
48:30
Speaker 2: space balls joke.
48:32
Speaker 1: We're going so fast we've gone plaid.
48:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, one point nine seconds zero to sixty. It's like
48:38
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty thousand dollars, which is a lot
48:40
Speaker 2: of money. But the car that most closely matches its performance,
48:45
Speaker 2: or there's two, there's the Bugatti Sharon or a nine
48:48
Speaker 2: to eleven turbos.
48:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, and how much do those cost? Anywhere from three
48:52
Speaker 1: to Yeah.
48:53
Speaker 2: Like turbos, I think starting price is one hundred and
48:56
Speaker 2: ninety one.
48:57
Speaker 1: Thousand, Okay, so that's closer than I thought it would be.
49:00
Speaker 2: The Charan like where you invited to buy one, Like
49:03
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter.
49:04
Speaker 1: They don't have the price listed, but that car has that.
49:07
Speaker 2: The model as Plaid has a five hundred and twenty
49:11
Speaker 2: mile range. Yeah, so soon we're going to be at
49:13
Speaker 2: the point where, like all electric cars have to beat
49:16
Speaker 2: is what humans can drive in a day.
49:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know there's always that one. Dude.
49:21
Speaker 2: It's like, well when I go to like my dad
49:23
Speaker 2: when we were kids, and it's like I'm not even
49:26
Speaker 2: getting out to go to the bathroom. From Illinois to Florida,
49:29
Speaker 2: like you might have to stop. Yeah, but you have
49:32
Speaker 2: to stop for gas. Yeah, sketchy gas stations. Sure, you
49:35
Speaker 2: have to stop and eat, you know.
49:37
Speaker 1: So you stop, you plug in your car, you eat
49:39
Speaker 1: a nice lunch, and then you get back in it
49:41
Speaker 1: and off you go. Yeah, that's going to happen. So
49:43
Speaker 1: and then the fact that you could be in camping
49:45
Speaker 1: mode with the AC running, the heater running, totally comfortable
49:49
Speaker 1: inside it. That's going to be awesome.
49:50
Speaker 2: Supposedly the cyber truck's going to have that little that
49:53
Speaker 2: the option for the camper on the back if we
49:56
Speaker 2: ever see that. But you know, the Rivian is very
50:00
Speaker 2: very appealing to me.
50:01
Speaker 1: And and the Bezos space thing that just happened a
50:06
Speaker 1: few days ago. He drove out to the to the
50:08
Speaker 1: launch site in a ribbean. Yeah, that's kind of cool.
50:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody is sitting on Jeff Bezos right now. Yeah,
50:15
Speaker 2: it's a new it's a new frontier, and you're going
50:18
Speaker 2: to be the world's first trillionaire. Or maybe he already is.
50:21
Speaker 2: Isn't he already?
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Speaker 1: No? I don't think so.
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Speaker 2: Just you just have different interests, Like Jeff Bezos buying
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Speaker 2: a rocket is like an average American buying like Starbucks.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he has spent a billion dollars a year for
50:32
Speaker 1: the last decade to be able to go on a
50:34
Speaker 1: flight into space.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we have to do that as humanity, no question.
50:39
Speaker 2: I get into this conversation with electric cars. It's like
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Speaker 2: electrics and nice short term solution. But eventually we will
50:44
Speaker 2: mine all of the lithium. Yeah, and it's going to
50:47
Speaker 2: have to be hydrogen or something that can be a
50:50
Speaker 2: legit renewable resource. But on that same regard, we will
50:54
Speaker 2: always eventually run out of this planet. So we don't
50:57
Speaker 2: have people that are pushing the boundaries literally to get
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Speaker 2: us elsewhere.
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Speaker 1: As a species, we don't survive. Yeah, it doesn't affect
51:04
Speaker 1: our life time.
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Speaker 2: But the house sparrow will run Earth. Yeah, and we'll
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Speaker 2: run you know, and then in like twelve million years
51:10
Speaker 2: we'll have this alien you know, house sparrow invasion. That
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Speaker 2: was crazy. It's a very successful species. People think because
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Speaker 2: it's ordinary that it's not successful.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
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Speaker 2: It has been successful. Knowledge by Matt today we should
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Speaker 2: probably end this. It was brilliant cool.
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Speaker 1: So just think about that SUPERU no modifications, drive it
51:30
Speaker 1: around the world. If you do that, Matt and I
51:33
Speaker 1: will both find some way to make it very much
51:35
Speaker 1: worth your while to come on the podcast and talk
51:37
Speaker 1: about it. So think about that supercross track. Probably average
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Speaker 1: selling price twenty five thousand dollars, A loaded one is
51:43
Speaker 1: twenty eight thousand dollars. You can drive it out of
51:46
Speaker 1: the box. You don't have to buy tires, you don't
51:48
Speaker 1: have to buy anything. I mean, maybe buy some I
51:51
Speaker 1: think Falcons got those wild Peak crusts slightly.
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Speaker 2: I probably do that a couple of little skid plates,
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Speaker 2: a couple of skid plates, drive it to South America,
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Speaker 2: drive it back, YEP, and then you're going to sell
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Speaker 2: your you know, your twenty eight thousand dollars super you
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Speaker 2: bought new with fifty thousand miles, you're going to sell
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Speaker 2: it for like twenty seven right now. Or it's a
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Speaker 2: used car, so probably like eight hundred thousand dollars. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and use all the rest of the money to do
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Speaker 2: your trip.
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Speaker 1: Ye you know exactly.
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Speaker 2: Think of what a Tacoma could COSTEP even to use
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Speaker 2: to Cooma.
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Speaker 1: It's just worth considering. And that's why we wanted to
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Speaker 1: talk about this on this podcast, is we don't always
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Speaker 1: have to have the most extreme solution to an average problem,
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Speaker 1: which if the If the problem is I want to
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Speaker 1: drive from here to South America and I don't really
52:35
Speaker 1: need to do a lot of off roading or I
52:37
Speaker 1: don't really care to, then start off with something that's
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Speaker 1: really comfortable to drive on the road, and it's going
52:41
Speaker 1: to cost you a lot less money and you're going
52:43
Speaker 1: to kind of have a different experience than looking super
52:46
Speaker 1: expedition y, which I think is a good thing. Yeah,
52:48
Speaker 1: and thank you all for listening. And yeah, send us
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Speaker 1: some feedback or ideas if you've got your ultimate car
52:54
Speaker 1: or you've been driving your ultimate car down to USHWAYA
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Speaker 1: and you want to send us some pictures in a
52:59
Speaker 1: little update. We'll talk about it on a future episode.
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Speaker 1: But you can reach Matt at Matt Explorer on Instagram,
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Speaker 1: and you can reach me Scott dot a dot Brady
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Speaker 1: on Instagram, or you can go directly to at Overland
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Speaker 1: and we'll talk to you guys next time.