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This is a segment of society that operates under their own
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rules. They think they can do whatever
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the hell they want and they can't, apparently.
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Thousands of victims implies at minimum hundreds of
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perpetrators. You guys all have lawyers right?
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Like why in the hell would you e-mail some Yahoo like this?
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I am on Santa Teresa 1796, a triple aged Solara rum HO in
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Venezuela, so Venezuelan, another Venezuelan ROM so well,
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you know, always a lot of news, but I thought it would be
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interesting. A big tranche of Epstein
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documents got released. We haven't really, you know,
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we've hinted at this, but we haven't really dug into this
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very much lately. You know, it's like 3,000,000
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pages. And we talked about Epstein's
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come up. I think every single podcast
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can. Yeah.
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But we haven't like we haven't rolled up our sleeves on it.
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I think they dropped about 3 million documents.
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Looks like that's only still a small percentage of what's out
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there, but, well, it's half. Interesting stuff.
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At least at least half, if not more.
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OK. Well, so 3,000,000, three
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million more. I think there's a lot of work to
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go through what's out there, but what are your thoughts?
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I mean, it's a little bit shocking to me.
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I mean, do most, you know, I'm not a legal expert, but the most
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trials involve millions of documents.
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It's a good question. I mean, do we know where, where
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these things came from? There's the there's the Miami
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trial where he got the sweetheart deal.
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Then they were gathering evidence for whatever they had
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him in prison for or in jail for, for that trial.
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Where else they get all these documents?
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Well, a lot of them are like news articles and clippings,
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then a lot of it's emails a. Lot of it's his emails, yeah.
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Well, I'm looking at the court records in the official Epstein
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library. There's like 52 cases that are
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referenced and a bunch of them are various Jane Does versus
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Epstein, I mean, all the way up to Jane Doe number one O 3
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versus Epstein. So there's a lot but that not
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all of them are cited. And then?
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So these are cases brought by the victims against him.
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I'm assuming that. And then there's stuff against
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his estate, state of Florida, United States.
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There's 3 United States versus Epstein's, there's 5 United
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States versus Maxwell's. But you know, I don't know if
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they're all individual cases, but they're individual case
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records, I guess. Well, this most recent it's a
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It's a bad look for the former Prince of.
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Oh my gosh, yeah. Like every time this turns out
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he looks worse and worse and worse.
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Yeah, it's nuts. I mean, well, I mean, I guess
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it's not shocking that there's pictures, but you'd think people
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would take a little more care not to get photographed, but
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apparently not. Reports apparently, and I got a
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check source on this this from the Daily Mail, that Epstein was
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hooked up with the KGB and that's where the money came
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from. Yeah, I saw that, yeah.
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I mean, that's kind of obvious. Either KGB or Mossad or I guess
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CIAI mean this. So the other thing that's that's
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that's linked on Drudge is a YouTube video of an interview
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with Steve Bannon. And this is late in the game.
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I don't know when that was, but like it was after his like most
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like his last arrest, like it was late in the game that he was
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talking to, talking to Steve Bannon.
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And I got to tell you, I listened to about an hour of the
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interview and I am more convinced than ever that this
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whole thing is a is a set up like a made-up deal by Intel,
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this guy. So Bannon.
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So Bannon interviewed him for 15 hours.
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Yeah, I don't know how long it I saw the tranche that I saw was
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like a two or three hour link and I didn't listen to all of
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it. But yeah, he, I I have to say,
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I've kind of been expecting to hear that Epstein was kind of,
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you know, smooth and kind of you, you know what I mean?
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He, he's he sounds like a bum. He doesn't know what he's
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talking about. He's doing all this and Bannon
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is completely buttering him up and and he's like, yeah, well,
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you know, it it it's worth a look.
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Like you wouldn't believe you wouldn't trust this guy with 50
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bucks. I'll say that less, much less
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$50 million. And so how did he fool the whole
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world? And I'm just not buying that.
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It's because he was so clever. I mean, I think, again, we know
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that there's more to this. But like, most of the names that
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are now implicated are all copies of e-mail exchanges that
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he had with them, including like Howard Lutnick, who was so clear
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eyed about not wanting to hang out at the house because it was
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creepy. And so, but later he's having
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conversations with him. And the the normalness of these
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conversations, knowing what the subject matter was on the back
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end, is, I think, the creepiest part of the thing.
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Well, and you're just, what is crazy is how prolific the guy
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is. I mean, you know, he's having
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regular contact with just randomly tons of people from
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different walks of life. Somebody said, oh, well, you
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know, he's just a great advisor. And it's like, what the hell is
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this idiot advising anybody on, you know?
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I don't know, maybe I don't have something new to say about this,
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but it just the volume of it. And like you said, the
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connection. He's got e-mail correspondence
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going on with everybody. He's talking to the head of the
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Nobel Prize Committee, and he's yakking it up with industry
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leaders. The woman who's now the general
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counsel of Goldman. This is an e-mail from Richard
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Branson to him in 2013. Dear Jeffrey, It was really nice
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seeing you yesterday. The boys in water sports can't
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stop speaking about it. Anytime you're in the area would
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love to see you as long as you bring your harem.
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And then he's like bulleted points.
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He's like, I think Bill Gates was willing to say that you've
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been a brilliant advisor to him. That you slipped up many years
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ago by sleeping with a 17 1/2 year old woman and were punished
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for it. That you've more than learned
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your lesson and have done nothing that's against the law
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since then. And as a single man, you seem to
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have a penchant for women. But there's nothing wrong with
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that anyway. Something along those lines.
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Wait, what? That that was in an exchange
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with Branson? Yeah.
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Yeah, it's just, and then I'm like, I'm thinking, you guys all
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have lawyers, right? Like, why in the hell would you
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e-mail some Yahoo like this? But I, you know, I think like
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this is a segment of society that operates under their own
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rules. They think they can do whatever
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the hell they want and they can't, apparently.
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Yeah. So what happens from here?
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Are they going to do anything? I mean, it's it's required an
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act of Congress to get the Justice Department to release
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the files. Do we expect them to do much
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aggressive prosecution? You know who who?
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Who else has been arrested in this deal?
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Well, and I've so far, most of what you've seen is people that
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were associated with the guy in some way, but there's not really
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smoking guns. I mean, there's allegations
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about various people and such, but there's not really.
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And I think that's the the piece that I think a lot of people
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were hoping for is that there were smoking guns in this thing.
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I think if there were smoking guns, they'd have been somebody
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had pulled that trigger a long time ago.
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I think it's still a lot of people with egg on their face
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for having associated with this scumbag for way too long.
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I agree. So what's the, so what's the
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societal upsider impact of that? We just back to business as
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usual. That's just we get a little
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look, that's how it is and full speed ahead.
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I don't know, like how do you breakthrough that?
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Yeah, I mean, I think it depends on I, I don't think it's worked
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out too well for Andrew Mountbatten.
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I don't know. I mean, it's I know that there's
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a it was interesting too, reading about a bunch of
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Democrats piled onto with the Clintons and I guess they found
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them in contempt for not testifying at some hearing.
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But then it's like, well, what the hell are they going to do to
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them for being in contempt? You know, nothing's going to
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happen there. I mean, they're not going to
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send anybody to jail ever being in contempt to a congressional
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hearing, I don't think. Right.
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And then what was the congressional hearing going to
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do other than, you know, I mean, to your point, it's like this
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stuff's embarrassments or problematic, but I feel like if
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there is anything in here that was prosecutable, it would have
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been prosecuted. Yeah, I don't know.
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I, I don't know what to, what to make of it other than it just
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kind of leaves me sick to my stomach.
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We know we've got, these are numbers from the FBI, thousands
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of victims. Even for a if you've got very
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prolific clients, thousands of victims implies at minimum
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hundreds of perpetrators. Totally, yes.
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And just nothing. Nothing.
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Yeah. I mean, how many of these, how
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do you have thousands of victims and nobody has any recourse,
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which then can take you down a whole other path of how many
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victims of sexual assault and are victims and the perpetrators
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have never been charged? Yeah, yeah.
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No, I think that's obviously a lot.
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Yeah, I don't. I don't know.
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So what do I do? I just sit here and just be
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pissed about it, you know, It's really exasperating.
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I think you called this. I think you said early on that
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whatever we get, it's going to be unsatisfying.
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I think that's proven true for sure.
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It really is unsatisfied. Do you feel like the outrage is
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fading among people, Like it's just been out there long enough?
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The problem is with this slow trickle is it's like the people
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that you know are named here. I don't know that.
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Like there's anything that's I just don't know that there's any
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surprises left and there's some pictures and stuff that somebody
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hasn't seen and are embarrassing to people.
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But like, I don't know. I mean, like you said, there's
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nothing. There's no smoking guns that
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have been released. There's nothing that came out
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that was like, Oh my gosh, nobody ever said this.
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And there's. So why did why did they fight it
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so long if it really is as much of A nothing burger?
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See, that's like you can't have it.
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Like, there's something missing here.
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Like what we've got is 3,000,000 like old emails that might be
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mildly embarrassing. And yet the gymnastics they were
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willing to go to to try to avoid this, you know, and I mean, you
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know, arguably the first government shutdown and, you
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know, like, like. Well, now you know.
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I disagree with this, but I did find interesting Bill Barr had a
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editorial and the Wall Street Journal was talking about, you
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know, it was a, you know, everybody's up in arms that they
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didn't release this stuff in 30 days.
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And his thing is like, you know, processing 3,000,000 documents
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for public release. And, you know, he talked through
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the the legal consequences and things that have to be analyzed.
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And his point is just like, that's a huge task that it was
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never going to get done in 30 days.
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I mean, they got done. But they're like, you know, I
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think his point was just, it is the public just thinks, oh, you
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get somebody's got a binder. And Pam Bonnie didn't help, but
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she's like, I got a stack of binders on my desk.
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Like she made it sound like she had all this paperwork.
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All she had to do is hand it over.
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And that's a gross oversimplification of the true
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process. And so I think that was part of
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the expectation too, that fell flat.
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But I, I mean, I do think there's an element of that, that
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it's like, it's such a enormous administrative exercise and
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then, hey, there's nothing that's going to be there.
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Well, nobody's going to buy that.
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Everybody's going to be like, oh, you're covering something
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up. And then it's like, well, you
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then you jump through all these hoops, you release all this shit
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and then it's like, yeah, there's nothing there.
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Well. Yeah, it it like, you know, I
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mean, clearly I've got a, a, a, you know, I'm, I'm seeing the
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boogeyman lurking there. I, I mean, I admit it.
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But again, if that's not what's going on, you know, certainly
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the approach that they've taken plays into my nefarious negative
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narrative. You know, even if I'm wrong,
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it's just like, well, you, you've, you know for a fact,
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like everybody knows that at least a portion of the
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population thinks the longer they take, the harder their
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work. And they got people with
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scissors all day cutting Trump's name out of things that, you
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know, whether that's true or not.
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But when you take a lot of time and you fought it at every turn,
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what are people going to assume you know?
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Yeah, well, the previous administration, why didn't they
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even try? And it's a good question.
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It's a really good question. And I mean, man, I would hope
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that it's not to protect Bill Clinton.
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You know, like please, I, I don't know.
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Well, both administrations had seen everything prior to the
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push to to release it. So either side would have
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released a bunch of crap to smear the other side if they
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thought there was something actionable.
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I think, I don't know. I think to your point, the thing
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that ought to leave us all with a disgusting taste in her mouth
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is just how, you know, it's like, it's like what they said
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about Harvey Weinstein years ago.
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Like, well, you know how Harvey is, you know, he's kind of
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rapey. You know, I mean, they didn't
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use his word, but that that's why, I mean, what a lot of the
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actors, actresses said is that he was, you know, you know, he
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that he had a penchant for that sort of thing.
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And I think that's pretty sleazy.
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All of these folks, Trump included, all these people like,
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well, you know, Epstein and women on the younger side.
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Like what the hell is that like? So everybody's like.
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Yeah, you know, you know how Jeff?
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Jeff is like what? Right.
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Bring your harem. Ha, ha, yeah, I think.
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And then Branson, who wrote some kind of retraction like, well,
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what I meant was that he had three female attorneys and they
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were. And I just wanted to see that
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they're like, oh, OK. Well, I meant it.
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To me, it then begs the question of how much other, how many
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other unsavory characters are out there that all these
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billionaires know? Well, you know Jim, you know
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what he's into, you know. Right.
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I got a guy for that, and that's who Epstein was, the guy for
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this. What do you think about the
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intelligence connections? Do you find anything compelling
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there? It would make sense, but again,
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like why aren't we? Wouldn't they be using this and
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maybe they are in the background somehow?
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Frustrating. Yeah.
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Does anything else catch your attention this week?
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Do you have an opinion about the Fed Chair nomination?
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I don't know that much about it I'm except that I've seen folks
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on the left and the right speak highly of his credentials.
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It sounds like he's a like he's a grown up who has a reasonable
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shot at the job. You know, like it's a legitimate
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choice. It's not like some rando pulled
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out of the air like Lindsay Halligan or, you know, like he
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like he was a viable if. It was if it was Matt Goetz, you
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know, we might have an issue you.
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Know, but kind of a different I I thought this is really
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interesting. I don't know how much you've
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been paying attention to like the precious metals market, but
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actually done pretty well on a gold.
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Fund over the last couple of months and both gold and silver
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took just a big just a plunge after the announcement.
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I think that's interesting because the reason that gold
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would be high would be fear of inflation, right?
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That's what drives precious metal investment.
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And apparently the market thinks that this guy is going to be an
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inflation hawk. But the president of the United
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States has been bullying the current Fed chair to lower
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interest rates for a year. And, you know, lowered interest
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rates are they're, they're inflationary at least whether
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they actually cause inflation or not, but they're an inflationary
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force that way. So I, I don't understand what
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the market seeing in this guy. Did they think that he's going
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to hold the line and he's going to be able to tell Trump no?
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We've got to be careful and we don't want to overheat the
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economy because I think Trump's decided he wants interest rates
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low, whatever the cost. I mean, I think he sees interest
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rate reduction as AI mean that's a, a pretty demonstrable factor
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and cost of living for many, you know, folks, houses and cars and
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everything else. And so to me that, you know,
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that's part of his desires to see that come down, people's
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costs come down. And I do think I mean,
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inflation's way down. I mean from a from a rate
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standpoint, so. Well, I'm just saying, yeah, so
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you cut interest rates and it makes things a little bit
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cheaper today. But if it devalues your dollar
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by 10%, I mean then you, you, you're back to the same place
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you can, you can get. Short benefit, I guess it's,
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it's not as precarious a position we were when it's, you
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know, inflation's spiking and super high.
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Right now, I mean, I mean honestly from a macroeconomic
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standpoint, taking party hat off here, low interest rates, high
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GDP growth and full employment, I mean that's actually your best
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recipe for reducing the impact of the national debt, you know,
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quite apart from personal finance and what this saves you
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interest rates on our sovereign debt, our national, you know,
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treasury is like that's a huge issue.
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And if that is high, that really puts a huge burden on our on our
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economy. So if you can pull it off, you
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you're willing to tolerate a little bit of inflation as long
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as you get robust economic growth and full employment.
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But that's the hiccup. That's what I think the worry
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is, is that you can, you know, cutting interest rates is a
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little like hitting a little nitrous oxide into the engine of
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the economy, right? It Revs the engine up.
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But if we don't have full employment, then inflation.
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If everybody's working, then what?
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Then you might have dollar inflation, but you will also
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have wage inflation and it will kind of equal out.
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And you you cheapen the value of your national debt, which is a
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great thing. But where we were over the last
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couple years is pretty high inflation and not the same wage
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growth that we've had. And that's what's really toxic
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for people. I do find it interesting the a
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lot of the doom and gloom over tariffs hasn't really
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materialized. I mean, we've still, we've got,
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I mean, inflation's under control.
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We've got, you know, decent GDP growth.
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We've got decent employment. The stock market's in pretty
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good shape. I don't know if it's something
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people want long. Term are are the tariffs are are
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hurting as is the dollar, the decline in the dollar.
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If if if a person's looking to buy a boat and have it shipped
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over from France. That's but yeah, yeah, I mean,
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objectively things look decent in the economy right now.
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I don't even know that the tariffs per SE where the
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problem. It's the chaos and the
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randomness of the tariff that I think it's really hard to keep
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up with. You know, you can put a tariff
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on on things to say we need to level this out.
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But the I did it in a tweet because I was mad.
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Like that's kind of hard to deal.
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With I think Liberation Day is what I was referring to.
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But yes, OK. But we've had lots of other.
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New holiday Liberation Day. Yeah, well, I can.
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Also. Well, I just wonder if it also
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shows how there's a lot of things that we worry, well, this
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is going to destroy the economy, or maybe it's stronger, more
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powerful than individual actions like that too.
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Yeah, I, I mean, possibly it's an interesting time because I
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don't think the economy is good universally.
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You know, I think it's, you've got some sectors that are really
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on fire and some others that aren't.
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Is this maybe the case all the time?
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But it's pretty noticeable right now.
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You people have said if you didn't have data center
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construction like that, like that's riffling its way through
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the whole economy and it's not just NVIDIA stock on chips that,
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you know, there's companies out there building these huge data
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centers everywhere. And that itself is driving
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things. By the way, now I'm changing
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subject again. I read a really interesting
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article in the Wall Street Journal this week about I've
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worried a lot about job disruption from AI.
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Not personally. I think that, you know, I'm at
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the point in my career where my knowledge of the business can
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sustain me. And so my trick is to learn how
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to use these new tools. But I think I'm safe.
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But I've worried a lot about the disruption.
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I've seen the power of this stuff and what it can do for
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coding and for writing and a lot of basic tasks.
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But this article in Wall Street Journal gave me a lot of hope.
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It was like, actually, we fear this, but it's not really.
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Usually that's not really the case.
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Like they were like, remember when they first came out with
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the spreadsheet and people were like, Oh my gosh, I'm never
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going to need an accountant. Yeah.
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Well, yeah, now accountants are one of the most in demand
27:11
specialties and yeah, so the spreadsheet didn't do that.
27:17
What happens is accountants do a lot higher level work than they
27:20
did. And so, you know, really the
27:23
trick is for those that embrace this and say, all right, I'm a
27:27
coder. My, my career is at risk.
27:32
So the way I fix that is I become master of this tool and
27:36
I'm in front of the rest of my competition.
27:40
Yeah, no, I think there's definitely some of that.
27:43
I did laugh, though. I was listening to a podcast the
27:46
other night. Well, listen to Rogan and he had
27:50
Matt Damon and Ben Affleck on it.
27:52
They were talking about this new movie of theirs and Ben
27:54
Affleck's talking about AI. And well, you know, it's never
27:59
going to be able to replicate what Hollywood does and acting
28:03
and movies, you know it. I mean, people will be able to
28:07
tell that it's ours is an art form and that's artificial.
28:11
And I hope he's right, but I don't believe it.
28:15
I mean within, you know, months. This thing is created.
28:20
A way to create videos from scratch today.
28:25
No, they're not replacing Hollywood blockbusters.
28:27
But I don't think that's that far away, I think.
28:32
I think the the the trick there is where does the art land?
28:38
Where what part of it is art? And in my mind, I, I do think so
28:49
this is a little more narrow than that.
28:51
I can't speak to Hollywood movies, but I can 100% tell, I
28:58
believe when people send me, like people on my team send me
29:02
papers or documents that they've done, that they've cranked
29:06
through the AII can spot it a mile away.
29:10
And that means in my mind that there is opportunity for people
29:17
who can cut through that genericness with, you know,
29:24
significant and salient points. I don't know how that applies to
29:29
Ben Affleck, but I do think that I don't know.
29:32
I mean, do you agree? Like, it's it, it everything
29:37
sounds like a non controversial B plus essay.
29:44
Yeah. Well.
29:45
I mean, I think it depends on a lot of.
29:49
It just depends and. And this gets back to your point
29:52
about the people that will win or the people that have the
29:56
skills to manipulate it. I mean, yeah, if you cut and
30:00
paste the first run out of ChatGPT, anybody's going to spot
30:03
that. But I think if you used it
30:07
multiple runs and then you adjust a few things to make it
30:12
fit yours. I mean, there's a lot of things
30:15
or like one of the things that'll do that I use all the
30:19
time. Like a lot of times it's my
30:21
words, but like, hey, what are three points for this topic or
30:26
something? I mean, there, there's
30:27
shortcuts, there's time saving, you know, I, I think, but I
30:32
think I'm not Tooting my own horn, but I think it has to do
30:35
with how well you're able to manipulate it.
30:37
You know, if all you do is cut and paste, it's not nearly as
30:39
good. Yeah, I agree.
30:41
But that's I think. I think that's making my point
30:44
that that the the unique part that a human brings becomes more
30:50
and more valuable in a world when everything just gets dumbed
30:54
down to that generic flat. We had an interesting exchange
30:59
at work because there's a disagreement between two groups
31:06
in our organization and we're kind of writing like competing
31:12
vision documents kind of. I don't want to be more specific
31:16
than that, but you know, we had gone down a path and one
31:21
colleague had written 1 and it was pretty pointed.
31:26
You know, you know, usually in business communication, even
31:30
when there's a, you know, a significant point of
31:33
disagreement, you know, it, it doesn't start out like you
31:38
asshole, you're completely wrong.
31:39
You know, like you, like, you put a little bit of, of a little
31:42
bit of wrap around it. But man, when you ran it through
31:50
ChatGPT or copilot or whatever it was, what came out the, the
31:55
part that got sanded down. The first was the, was the the
32:01
barbs, the the, you know, kind of the shots over the bow buried
32:05
in the thing. And I just thought that was
32:09
interesting. Like nothing's controversial.
32:13
You smooth it off and make it sound nice and you take the edge
32:17
over. And I had to ask, I was like, so
32:20
so which of these three things do you think is wrong?
32:23
Because we think that one of these things is wrong.
32:25
And we didn't say, you know, it was all just kind of couched in
32:31
platitudes. What do you think?
32:35
What? What are they saying in
32:36
university circles about the long term impact of AI on the
32:40
university experience? Oh boy, I don't.
32:44
I I wouldn't want to speak for that.
32:45
I know there's a lot of dialogue happening about it.
32:48
I thought it was interesting, you know, back in the old days,
32:51
what, 24 months ago or what GPT first came out.
32:57
Was it like that? It's like less than three years,
32:59
right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
33:02
But, you know, you had a lot of university people, a lot of
33:07
faculty and administrators being like, we're going to ban this.
33:12
And, and I thought it was really good.
33:16
One of the senior administrators at the university I work at came
33:20
out and said, no, we're not going to ban it because it's
33:23
part of the world. What we're going to do is we're
33:26
going to teach and expect smart use of the tool.
33:31
You know what I mean? I thought that was, yeah, that's
33:34
the kind of smart. Approach.
33:35
Like anybody who says they're going to ban it, like we're
33:39
going to lock up the calculators and I'm just like like when a
33:44
few big. Cities early on were like, we're
33:47
banning Uber. You can only use a traditional
33:49
taxi. OK, Good luck.
33:52
Yeah. In general, if you are, if you
33:55
are imprisoning technology, you're probably headed down the
34:00
wrong path, yeah. You know, control and manage.
34:04
It sure. OK, so if you're and and that's
34:07
exactly what happened, right? Like Uber, you can't really
34:12
prevent it. But now, OK, now if you want to
34:15
drive Uber in New York, you got to have a sticker that lets you
34:19
pull into LaGuardia and JFK and you're going to pay money for
34:24
that sticker like they regulate it, but just we're going to ban
34:29
it. That just doesn't work.
34:31
But I guess my question is. Could you?
34:35
So, you know, there's universities now that are
34:36
completely online, like University of Phoenix and you
34:40
got to. Take so many.
34:40
Courses and these courses consists of this, this and this.
34:43
This is a syllabus, what we teach.
34:44
This is just curriculum. I mean, couldn't you duplicate?
34:49
I mean, it probably wouldn't be that hard to use chat EPT to
34:53
duplicate the curriculum of an entire degree.
34:57
And then could you get to a place where you could create a
35:01
self completed degree with accreditation and somebody could
35:05
get a degree through the ChatGPT created university and say
35:10
they've got a degree to that very.
35:12
End I was listening to, I feel like we, we do a lot of like
35:16
retweeting of podcast, but is listen to another podcast where
35:20
this, this was part of the discussion.
35:22
And the guy said, if this is true, that being in a class, a
35:27
live class versus reading the book gives you an 80% better
35:32
experience and getting a private tutor versus being in a large
35:37
class gives you another like 80% boost or something like that.
35:42
And so his suggestion was kind of like yours, you, you give the
35:48
subject matter of the degree as the knowledge base that the
35:53
agent works on. But he said he's done this and
35:57
I'm going to try it. He said, prompt your AI to tutor
36:05
you in this particular topic. Ask, teach me, ask me hard
36:12
questions. Don't let me off the hook.
36:14
You know, build a prompt like this and let it through chat and
36:20
dialogue, Like, let it give you homework.
36:22
Let it grade your homework. I thought that was kind of
36:25
brilliant in a way, yeah. So I got a couple.
36:29
Things I'm going to try for that.
36:30
There's a couple of concepts that I've just for a long time
36:35
struggled with and I'm going to put it in there and I'm going to
36:38
say don't just give me the answer.
36:41
I don't get this at a core level.
36:44
I need you to tutor me and help me understand it at a basic
36:48
level and see what I get. Interesting.
36:51
Yeah, I mean, well, and somebody else was talking about, they
36:55
were, it was some obscure subject and they were talking to
36:59
Jet GPT and it screwed it up and it didn't, you know, the results
37:03
weren't right. And then we got to talk in and
37:05
they're like, you know, surely the topics come up, but it
37:09
learns. So it could be that it doesn't
37:12
know something, but it needs to learn it, right?
37:16
So maybe it gets better. Practicing.
37:19
Yeah, definitely. That's all I got.
37:21
I'm boring today, man. I'm sorry.
37:23
Yeah, we went. We went down.
37:24
AI mean good luck producer and coming up with a title for
37:30
Epstein to AII guess the best news of.
37:36
All, though, is we're not talking about somebody being
37:41
shot. And that I have to give grudging
37:47
credit to the administration for realizing that something needed
37:53
to change in the strategy that was going on.
37:55
And I hope that I hope the Democrats in kind will, will
38:03
come to a little more peace on that.
38:04
I I'm just pleased that it's not the topic of the front headline
38:10
today. Yeah, you know, it's a good.
38:12
Point we talked about this last week some and I've seen some
38:16
other comparisons, you know, the previous in administrations,
38:22
previous administrations and deportation activity and it's
38:26
like it's actually a lot less in this administration than other
38:29
administrations, but there's a lot more protests.
38:34
Some administrations are never. Any protests and so I hope that
38:39
the strategy then becomes how do we you know, I'm glad that he's
38:45
doing what he. Said he was going to.
38:46
Do. But can you do in a way that
38:47
doesn't invoke protesting and violence?
38:51
And there probably is. There's probably ways you could
38:55
continue to enforce and continue the mission, but without
39:02
creating a a scene. You know what I mean?
39:04
It sounds like that's what maybe they're trying to do.
39:06
So that's good. Well, yeah.
39:09
And I think. That you know, I I have strong
39:13
opinions about immigration. I do not have a feeling that we
39:19
ought to just look the other way on violent criminals.
39:22
I'm totally fine with closing the border and enforcing the
39:26
law. I'm totally fine with operations
39:30
to deport violent criminals. I do think I, I am not probably
39:36
going to change my mind on this in so far as the Biden
39:40
administration left the door open and not just the Biden
39:44
administration, others as well. It's a little, it's kind of BS
39:48
to say to somebody, you know, well, you will.
39:51
We'll let you get here. You can, you can get here.
39:53
You can we'll, we've got companies that'll look the other
39:57
way on a fake Social Security number.
40:00
We've got all kinds of ways that our economy will take use of you
40:05
and then without crime involved, without just because.
40:13
Targeting people and you know, like felony arrests without
40:19
warrants. I just don't.
40:23
You would make the point that the Democrats in Minnesota and
40:26
others kind of fanned the flames of protest.
40:29
I maintain that the nature of the enforcement effort in
40:33
Minnesota was designed to to provoke.
40:38
And we kind of need neither of those.
40:40
We need accurate, fair, just execution of the law, not points
40:50
being made on either side. Yeah.
40:53
Dig into it further too. I mean, a lot of the
40:57
deportations, there's one people that are criminals, but then you
41:02
know, like a big priority. There's like 1.4 million
41:06
deportation orders that have never been enforced.
41:09
And so that's a lot of what they're enforcing is somebody's
41:12
already got an order to deport and they're not leaving.
41:14
So, yeah. So it'll be interesting to see
41:17
how they can do that without, you know, be able to enforce the
41:21
law without this orchestrated network of protests.
41:26
I don't, I don't know, you know, I don't know what the answer is
41:30
there. It sounds like they're taking
41:31
another path because it doesn't sound like it's in the news
41:34
nearly at the same frequency it was.
41:36
But I don't think they've stopped deportation either.
41:38
So maybe they found a way to do it under the radar.
41:41
I don't know. Well, and.
41:43
And again, you know, I'm sure you'd find people that would
41:46
would see it differently. I'm not arguing that we
41:48
shouldn't deport people that that need to be or deserve to be
41:51
deported. I think that just being here
41:56
because you came across and weren't stopped at the border
41:59
and just living your life and being productive.
42:03
That's why I bristle at the term illegal immigrant.
42:05
I like, I don't know, we, we changed our mind, we let you in
42:10
and we were happy to take your labor.
42:12
And now we changed again. If there's cramp, if there's
42:16
crime involved, if if these are, you know, bad actors, by all
42:22
means. If someone gets in trouble, by
42:26
all means. But we and we agree on this.
42:31
We got to have a different way, a different path.
42:33
But who's going to bring it up? You know, like, I don't
42:36
understand why the Democrats don't.
42:38
But the Republicans aren't going to come out and say, all right,
42:41
now we're going to launch a massive amnesty plan.
42:46
Even if it's the right thing to do, they're not going to do
42:48
that. Yeah.
42:50
Well, I think to me, if somebody's the, the.
42:54
Criminal. Records and the deportation
42:56
orders? Hard to argue that those people
43:00
should have it should stay, but outside of those boundaries, it
43:06
certainly would be more economical if you found a faster
43:09
path to citizenship for folks. But but I think there's also,
43:14
you know, you talk to somebody who's come to the country
43:17
legally and went through all the pain that that involves.
43:21
There's a bit of anger involved too.
43:23
And you take somebody that just, you know, came across the border
43:27
and, oh, well, now we're just going to let you in
43:30
automatically. So I know there's different
43:32
perspective there also. Yeah, again.
43:35
I don't think that the, the person that you describe, I
43:38
don't think they should have been subject to that pain.
43:40
I think we desperately need immigration in this country and
43:45
like, that's the part that nobody's talking about and I
43:48
well, but. We do.
43:52
But I mean, the reality is if you eliminated every barrier to
43:59
immigration, every country in the world would.
44:02
I mean, we would be. Inundated with.
44:05
People, I mean, there, there's more demand out there than there
44:08
are. Probably slots that most.
44:13
People would want, I mean, I don't think most people want 100
44:16
million people to come across the border every year, but
44:18
there's enough demand to bring that many people per year, you
44:22
know, so you can then have to be OK Where do you draw that line?
44:26
Yeah. But which is always funny.
44:29
To me, because everybody globally.
44:31
Talks how bad the United. States is, but every single one
44:34
of them wants to move here so, well, I don't think you're
44:37
right. There, I mean, I, I get the
44:40
impression that most Danes are OK stay in Denmark.
44:44
I don't know that they're, you know, the talked to a lot of
44:49
Europeans. That would love to live in the
44:50
United States because they don't like 67% taxes, but then why
44:54
don't they? It's not that simple.
44:58
I think it is. I mean, Trump said if you're
45:01
from Scandinavia, we're going to give you like, like they fast
45:05
tracked all the white countries. They said that we're going to
45:10
lower standards for Scandinavian countries and we're just saying
45:15
it's not unlimited. So I think it's no, I agree.
45:18
I I agree. With that, I, I don't think it's
45:20
unlimited, but you know, and then how do you, how do you
45:25
allocate it? You know, there's the H1B
45:28
approach, like we're going to take the smartest people that
45:32
your country has or do you take people that are in the greatest
45:36
need, you know, or do you how do you balance those prioritize
45:41
people with? With illegal daycare money
45:44
smuggling schemes. Oh wait, I'm sorry that was
45:48
already done. But never low blow, sorry.
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