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Talks to Mark Dodyk about his choice of Fury from the Deep (5/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blunt, penknife the Doctor Who commentary,
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  podcast, the definite article, definite article, some may see.
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  I am Mark do dick and I'm here with Jewel for it as if the we
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  are listening, were both listening watching bit of both
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  really reinforcing experiencing in many different formats
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  because it is available in many different formats.
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  The wondrous story that is Fury from the deep, yeah I'm
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  available. It in as many different formats
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  of shoulder you know? Oh bloody hell.
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  Yeah. Well, it's this next year.
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  How many more versions of Shadow?
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  We've got, you know, that theory of like Schrodinger's Cat.
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  The cat's alive or dead in the box so the Springs out the older
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  different universes. Where all the possibilities
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  play? Ow, well I think we've got like
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  Schrodinger's shoulder because there's so many versions of
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  shoulder. Now, there's there is literally
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  one from every bloody Universe, go in.
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  Pretty much. We've got so many versions yet
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  we've not got one either. What if you got this?
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  You got the DVD. The animation audio with the
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  narration. If we open twice, make a
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  dreadful duration that John Lennon, the crab-like creature
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  was hideous Patera. I can never remember any lines
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  from fear from the deep. What Tom Baker says, it's been
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  that long since I've listened to it was I'd be came out in about
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  T3, I think. And I remember sitting listening
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  to that cassette, I think you started by saying, I was in my
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  second regeneration, then probably you touch a much
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  younger man and innocent, except for, from the Tardis.
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  Anyway, this happen, this target mobilization, which are know
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  you've read. Yes, a addition said, we don't
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  know why. It doesn't take long sequences
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  of you know, the Describing the shoreline.
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  So yeah in esque takes too long. Sequences of extra long
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  sequences. Is that is that all the versions
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  of this though? There's probably a loose cannon
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  they'll be a tailless nap reconstruction on this set as
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  well as the Doctor Who magazine dirty magazine.
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  John Kira. Didn't they tell us naps?
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  Yes, it's of narrator. You'd experience it that way.
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  We are approaching Sharda. Pulled portions here, are we?
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  Yeah, I would say so, I sort of, I think power of the dialects
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  evil of the Daleks and Fury from the deep.
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  Probably. After Sharda, there are quite a
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  few different versions out. Meech to go back to your
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  question in the last episode. I think the three stories you
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  just mentioned. There are the three stories in
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  this era that people would most want to see it returned.
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  Mine will be my choices, but I think those are the ones.
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  Those are the big hitters, the people.
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  Yeah, people probably would have put Weber's Theory there as well
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  before. Mmm, but still it's nice.
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  You can watch it now. Definitely a note.
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  That so is still that still for you to the alien, be nearly 10
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  years that we've had enemy of the world and where the fear
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  back, but there's still a novelty factor for what for me,
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  certainly when I put them on and still like, it's this feels new
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  and it's we did. I always don't go back to them
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  in the back of my head, they're missing.
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  Oh, and I go to the shop and got my God, I can watch any movie,
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  the world and see that fabulous sequence of the To take it off
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  on the beach. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Enemy of the world still amazes me is I really always that was
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  good, you know, but the thing is about it is it has a sort of
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  Feel Love in terms of its characterization.
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  As I feel of like a historical from William Hearts, just
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  happens to be set in the future. Ha ha, you know, it's David
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  Whittaker, again, isn't he's a bloody genius.
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  Yeah, there's something there's a, there's a sense of scale and
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  World building going on there. That Unusual for that year of
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  who plus some fabulous having up as well.
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  Remember that? This is just a form of
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  comprehensive insurance, huh? Nothing for you to worry about
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  my dear man, like it's proud as I would a great time in that he
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  was not having a good time around this time.
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  Was he wanted to come here? Yeah, I think the grain don't
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  make him Doctor Who was quite tough and at that point there
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  are 52 weeks in a year. I think he was doing it for 48
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  weeks, a year. Yeah, it was something like 40
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  Old weeks every year which just crazy to think about.
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  And I've lost my train of thought I was going to say
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  something is gone now. Well, I don't cause I every now
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  and again. Yeah, that's a lot.
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  You know, blow up a balloon in his face and have him
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  unconscious for an episode just so we can have a holiday.
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  Absolutely. Yeah.
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  And then go off golfing. I think I want to Kathy was
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  super amiable and and to flirt because there are 15 families,
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  but he was properly tetchy. Some sort of mid to latter end
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  of his era, I think, and I heard of behind-the-scenes story of
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  the Toby hater Puck off recently.
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  Where the first said, no, he was just exhausted.
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  He was so tired. And I know I've worked night
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  shift, so I've got to a point where I'm so exhausted.
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  I'm a general friendly bloke, but Jesus Christ, when you are
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  at that point of exhaustion, any little thing.
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  Hey, yeah. It's very hard to stay amiable
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  and friendly under those circumstances.
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  When you bear in mind, that For most of his time as the doctor
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  he was sometimes working six or seven days a week for maybe four
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  five, six weeks stretches without a break because they go
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  well, you'll be filming sir. You'll be filming for a demon,
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  it's Sunday Monday, you'll be shooting Tuesday through that.
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  Brady and I was just crazy. It was immense actor.
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  He was never at work. And by all accounts, he was
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  humble enough to send letters out between jobs to say, I'm
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  looking for work. What have you got?
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  May. Yeah, and the sad truth is he
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  wanted off this show that was providing him with regular
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  income. Yeah, his many families which
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  there is some prestigious acting Talent.
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  My I'll say oh, definitely it's a crowns and there seemed to be
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  more of them popping up all the time as well.
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  So it really is a proper density.
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  Halden I do have a question for you, but should we guys the
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  episode and I'll ask you otherwise we'll run out of
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  things to say. Yeah.
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  Yes, we'll go off on another tangent with another one on top
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  of the other one I can't see. Yes, in five, four, three, two,
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  one. My question for you is this is,
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  do you think that Doctor Who should I we've discussed the
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  formulate nature of season 5? Do you think it should have a
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  formula or should it always be doing?
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  Lots of diverse storytelling? Who is the thing is there are
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  benefits to both having just finished watching all the season
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  2 box set and following with the production subtitles during that
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  period. There's a lot of a viewer
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  surveys were done and that series.
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  Is that season is completely eclectic, mix of stories and
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  pushing the boundaries of Doctor Who in doing different Right
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  things? And a lot of the feedback that
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  was happening was that people were going oh I'm not really
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  following this. I don't get what's going on.
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  I don't understand, I don't get it either.
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  A bit alienated by. Why are there?
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  Why are there anachronisms in the time meddler?
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  Why did them, why would the Bible the other modern
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  wristwatch in 1066? It doesn't make sense and
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  they're not really grasping the format or what's going on?
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  We can't be held as a stupid people watching Doctor which is
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  fair enough. But I think him When you go from
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  something like the web Planet, which to The Crusade, or was it
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  the other way around to the Chris into the Crusades, which
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  is you go from something? So mad world, building sci-fi
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  out there into something that's verging on Shakespearean.
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  That's a huge leap else. I am massively, like, diverse as
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  the Daleks master plan into, it's so tight and carrot Focus
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  as the massacre. Yeah, and I think for some
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  viewers it will be really jarring to go from.
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  Oh I think I've got I've sussed what Doctor Who is to.
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  What the bloody hell? Is this the next week?
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  And for some people they'll thrive on that?
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  I think you know that's one of the reasons that I quite enjoy
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  the 80s Euros of Doctor Who is that?
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  You don't know what you're going to get from one story to the
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  next and frequently the, you know, the highs and the lows and
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  the Wild and you know there can be Be Mythic and magical and
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  hard sci-fi and gritty and grueling and then silly
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  discombobulating. I'm you can get all sorts but
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  then equally, it's quite reassuring to watch something
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  where you know, what? You're going to get every week.
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  Yeah, I think maybe at the time. So when this was broadcast, the
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  formulate nature of it was probably quite a good idea and
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  people could just relax and ease into what they're watching.
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  They kind of know how it's going to go.
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  I Hindsight. That's a little bit dull.
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  When you watch fire was stories back-to-back adding and sort of,
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  you know, now, the more eclectic nature of the 80s or season, 6
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  or the heart of a warrior is more interesting.
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  Interesting. I think in the new series The
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  only show, run our that really manages to do that sort of
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  eclectic, mix of genres and things like that is Chris
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  chibnall I think with a rusty Davis on the Steven Moffat.
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  You kind of know what you're gonna get with Rusty.
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  Davis is going to be kind of pretty looking.
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  It's not have emotional, stings to hear some funny lines and
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  they're going to try and make it sort of an epic as possible with
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  Moffitt is going to be a clever, clever script with a bit of smog
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  Listen, it attempts at doing emotional things.
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  I'm being a bit me now, but you kind of know what you're gonna
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  get. Whereas, you can have something
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  like demons that are Punjab and then follow that up with kablam.
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  Yeah. And, and when you go from things
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  like Demons of the Punjab or Rosa, as well, they both hit
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  hard. They're quite sort of emotional
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  heft and the those stories. And then ker-blam, which By
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  comparison, feels like a more conventional Doctor, Who story.
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  It's, I think there's, there's, as I say there's benefits to
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  having a very eclectic series, but there's also benefits to
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  giving viewers something reassuring, however, in season
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  5, doctor who you're going, 30 40 weeks of basis Under Siege
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  and people arguing. But I think it makes series that
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  I think that that was one of the reasons.
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  Why series 11 people kind of like sat back and went.
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  Well what the hell is? This are what I'm getting from
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  weeks away. Week, you know, in terms of
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  quality, and in terms of tongues and genre things like that,
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  whereas I think those Rusty Davis and Steven, Moffat as
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  well, quite comfortable. In terms of, I'm going to watch
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  this. It's going to be competent to a
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  certain level and I kind of know what I'm going to get.
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  Yeah, and I think that's I think sometimes it's important to
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  challenge the viewer. That's the good thing about
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  didn't give it, giving people eclectic mix of tales and and
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  genres. Because what I found when Doctor
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  Who came back, was that even the structure of this series, you
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  could can't predict what was going to go Utopia or
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  contemporary. You.
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  Tell your future, you type your historical, you'd have your two
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  parts out, and people typically very, very quickly fail into
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  that. Well, this is going to be the
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  darker one. This is the latter half of the
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  season. This is going to be, this is
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  going to be that it was very prescriptive and then Steven
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  Moffat when he went for season 6, he's going to start the
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  season with two parter. Quite a lot of fans were like,
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  but you don't start a season with the two-parter and I was
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  late. I really like these and say what
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  props to him. He was ambitious and very yeah.
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  But then you know what was interesting, was he realized?
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  He started to Hemorrhage viewers and so he went back in series
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  10. When are you going back to doing
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  the The, the present, the future, the past, the big to
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  part is in the middle, you know, leading up to the finale, the
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  big to park one on. It was back to that.
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  Rusty Davis Wonder again. Yeah.
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  Seems to their certain things lame themselves well to Doctor.
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  Who after you what it is? All right?
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  It's Doctor Who fans grateful Bunch, always gone on about how
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  they want things to be different and why can't the series
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  experiment anymore. And then when it does like mean
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  seriously, It's like oh well, what the fuck was that?
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  I don't know. Yeah, I think the only thing you
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  can guarantee is that Doctor Who fans are going to be contrary
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  I'll speak from experience. Yeah, exactly lovely scene
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  between, that's a Maggie Harris. Harris is it?
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  Megan? Megan June's and then she told
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  sleepy for upstanding. Yeah.
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  Yeah, she really, she had put yourself together, man, and
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  being really mean to him and then like, when he struck, and
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  she goes, you know, what do those a bit romance going on
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  here at one point? You know, there's enough
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  suggestion? I think.
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  Yeah, I think there's a bit of a hint about it.
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  And she's got her hands all over him in the bed.
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  Oh, my tee time. Tilly really thought you said
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  that. I also love the bit where she
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  snaps the Perkins. Aah and then sort of awkwardly
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  apologizes. Yes, she immediately catches
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  herself out and reprimands ourself for being that way.
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  Which again, it shows you, it's a human element.
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  There's plenty of other. You know, there's no sort of
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  Redemptive moments for a lot of other civil servants and bigwigs
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  pop up in Doctor Who they're either just Shaping blowhards
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  the whole time and then they get their comeuppance or you've got
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  somebody who's okay, is maybe not the best written character
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  in The out in the world. But Megan Jones is probably a
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  more rounded individual then. I think that's the formants,
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  does a lot of the world? Oh, yeah.
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  And I think, dr. You often benefits from good
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  performers. Is that Tablas actress who's in
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  Gabon has place? Isn't it?
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  Yes, she plays that kinky a woman in the wrong.
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  She's a bit of shoe. Well, slaves, and apparently
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  Russell T, Davies issues. One of the actresses that his
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  dad would call of into the house to come back inside and watch it
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  on the TV. She's on the TV.
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  That's something that stuck with him.
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  He said that we quite recently in an interview.
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  I think it's lovely things between Jamie and Victoria as
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  well, where he's a little tattoo of her because she's not, she's
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  not just getting on with it and she's saying, you know, I don't
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  know if I'm not having fun. Why can't we go somewhere?
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  Nice. And he is a bit reactionary in
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  this. I don't think you often see
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  decent character work with Jamie though.
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  I think him and Patrick round are brilliant together.
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  Their Dynamic is bringing together but it is rare.
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  There's a moment in evil of the Daleks where the doctor and
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  Jamie have a massive fire. I mean, the way the doctors
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  manipulating people and then there's a few bits in this but I
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  think that's probably about it in this.
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  Yeah, I think if it wasn't for freezer hangings and his
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  characterization Jamie wouldn't have made as big an impact as he
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  did, because his characterization from story to
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  story is often changes a dependent on.
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  You know, what was plot expedient, you know, what was
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  useful for, you know, suddenly he's really intelligent it next
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  door, he's super thick. And then the next again, one
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  he's like the leader is throwing himself into battle.
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  The next is not so sure about getting his head into this.
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  Chase child, inherits me though. Oh yeah and mayo.
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  Is a pretty. That's what it looks like.
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  When I put my night wetsuit in the underwater - I was not
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  complaining Kevin, Michael kriezel, Michael craze of the
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  most fuckable Tardis team ever live along its housing, co-owner
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  Bradley Walsh. So are we really doing this?
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  Whatever tickles, ones pickle. So Course, Chief Robinson is
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  about a kid that Victoria looking.
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  Like, she's got, she said a million times about, you know,
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  how dismal her life has been in top.
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  It's yes. She's gonna have one last
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  terrified experience where she's taking off in a helicopter taken
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  to an oil rig and kept hostage. While this foam froth around
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  her. Oh yes.
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  He's just going to prove the point rub some salt into the
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  wounds. Yes, you don't join this later.
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  Let's make it worse for you, Victoria.
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  What's really interesting is I watched so I went I was
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  watching. Some brick box this morning.
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  I went straight into the Wheeling space, which is like
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  telling snaps for the episodes aren't there.
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  And I watched you at your website and man, a man Zoe, just
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  immediately. That's smart full of solutions,
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  honey. Yeah, artists like Victoria who.
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  Oh yeah. I think when d-pad Bree Doesn't
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  Nest. She doesn't always get the
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  credit she deserves like, she really Nails it, but never roll
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  with. She can be quite patient.
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  She really brings a lot to that couch is a bit like Maureen
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  O'Brien with Vicki. She Maureen O'Brien didn't like,
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  you know what, you know, she thought the scripts were a bit
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  thin, but she brought her alternate when Japan when does
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  just the same. It's that is something they
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  thought about. He's a pirate is all about is it
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  is made enough personality, but even if the characterization or
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  even the plot is terrible, you want to watch those people and I
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  think you know when you probably have it K Manning had it
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  Elisabeth. Sladen had it.
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  Yeah. You know the best thing if
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  you've got a really again, if there's something compelling
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  about them, you forget all that dreariest of stories, you're
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  still happy to help their hands and go on the journey.
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  Oh absolutely. I just find some Victoria.
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  Just sniff. Paul's a lot, you know, there's
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  happy in the Ice broke where she's in the handkerchief like,
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  snip. I know it's a bit of a comedy
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  saying she's just been two episodes actually doing that.
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  While she's running around the glacier.
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  Yeah, and she's quite. Yeah, I don't beat her up too
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  much. I think is part of the
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  characterization and everything and it's just it's the way it
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  works out sometimes with Doctor Who companions.
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  I think that perhaps that the idea doesn't always meet with
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  what's realized But it's yeah, she's not a companion that.
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  I think of particularly fondly, she's not, she's not a high
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  ranking for me as she did do. A number of big finish companion
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  Chronicles. They really redeem the character
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  I think Deming Watling was a variable actress anyway.
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  Not speaking of dead but, you know, we're just on our accent.
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  Yeah, yeah. And, and the rated them sort of
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  a bit robotically. And whereas, you know, big
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  finish has done amazing work with people character, likes our
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  kingdom and things like that, you know?
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  Even even Marquis Waterhouse is not a, who isn't a strong actor
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  either? He's come back and they've given
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  him really good material with big finish and it was really
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  great to have him back. It's really interesting.
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  I'm thinking of suddenly thought of our It's what remember big
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  finish used to do? The short story loophole short
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  trips? Yeah, short trips.
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  Yeah, there's one I think written by Jacqueline Rainer
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  about a banshee And it features it Toria and she's in a larger I
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  think and she's haunted by this shrieking Banshee and it turns
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  out I think, if I remember rightly turns out, it's Victoria
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  being haunted by herself. Well, over that phase into this
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  a little bit that it. And it's house whirring which is
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  the after a whole year of making a scream to make that solution
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  of this is absolutely marvelous. Oh yeah.
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  I'm glad that they did do that because In the initial story
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  proposal, the doctor was going to say and Jeanne back to the
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  Tardis to get his bagpipes. I would've been quite a funny as
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  well. It would have been funny but I
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  don't think. Yeah, I don't think that.
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  Yeah, that doesn't sit right with me.
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  That was a fabulous. Absolutely, a fairy liquid into
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  that phone machine. It was rolling across the floor
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  towards everybody. Oh dear, I did like and like you
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  said, we don't really know what we're missing, but we do know
• 22:04
  there were sequences where they filled, those sets with bloody
• 22:07
  bubbles. We went through it.
• 22:10
  I think we're finally at the point of the story, where things
• 22:13
  kick off were about were more than two-thirds of the way
• 22:17
  through. I think this could be, you could
• 22:20
  lose two episodes of this easily and still keep all the good
• 22:24
  character work and the scares but just condensed down.
• 22:28
  All of the shouting about impellers and you try to contact
• 22:32
  the rig, some things like that, all of the sort of the mundane
• 22:36
  work a day stuff and just focus on the character in the scales.
• 22:40
  I think it would be a really tight for pastor but maybe you
• 22:44
  need the Slow Burn for Victoria's exit.
• 22:46
  I don't know, maybe that needs to take moment.
• 22:48
  Six weeks. Hey look, they got a helicopter.
• 22:54
  That was quite a bit, it's barely helicopter heavy, this
• 22:56
  era. Isn't it episode 6 years or so?
• 22:59
  Yo, Loop the loops and All Souls going on, mmm, by all accounts.
• 23:03
  That was the actors say that was absolutely bloody terrifying,
• 23:07
  their database. They in helicopter pilot so
• 23:10
  genuinely doing loop-the-loop they feared for their lives.
• 23:15
  Usually at that see we coming up his sleeves like that.
• 23:19
  Aha, why should I think that's in one of the Senate Eclipse,
• 23:23
  isn't it? You can actually see it poking
• 23:24
  out. I think you did a queen, you can
• 23:26
  see the weed poking out. Yeah, yeah.
• 23:29
  It's quite nice there. Like the fact that in the
• 23:31
  animation, you've got its it looks live.
• 23:34
  It's Tropics crawling out of his cuffs, whereas it looks so it's
• 23:39
  just been stuffed up. Its sleeves in the sense of
• 23:40
  Club. It is a shame that she has to be
• 23:46
  a victim again here. I wish you could just be more
• 23:48
  proactive in our last story and like it.
• 23:52
  She inadvertently screams because she's scared and that's
• 23:56
  what all these sequences where they don't quite know why the
• 23:58
  week is retreating. And then it's the doctor that
• 24:01
  has to say all screaming to this.
• 24:04
  And she's not even really glad, it's not her being smart.
• 24:09
  And even then there's that bizarre comedy sequence where
• 24:11
  she's going. Well, I can't just scream.
• 24:14
  Are you fucking kidding me at the drop of a hat, you scream
• 24:17
  under every other circumstance, going to be like, Debbie Downer
• 24:23
  on them, but it is a shame. It is.
• 24:27
  So we said before, like like Charlie, follow-up was Victoria
• 24:31
  Warfield dumb, right? That's right.
• 24:34
  Circle, female companion, spunk. Yeah.
• 24:38
  And I really think she could have been great.
• 24:41
  Yeah. I think in Tomb when she's with,
• 24:46
  when she's takes the gun and she's shooting the cybermat and
• 24:50
  having a go at caftan and then you've got in the Abominable
• 24:55
  Snowman as well. She's quite proactive.
• 24:57
  She's like come on Jamie we're going to have we're going to do
• 24:58
  this and but from that point on but she just loses any of that.
• 25:05
  Determination here is that being impossible.
• 25:07
  So many keeps playing over and over going to be awake.
• 25:13
  It's very annoying. Yeah.
• 25:20
  She was putting candy peel. Lemon peel 10.
• 25:25
  We would lovely push it all together over a cab.
• 25:34
  The fact that they're putting in all of these.
• 25:38
  Ethnic characters in this. Although thing that was probably
• 25:41
  their the original. Well, there are no, they're
• 25:44
  adding, yeah, they're having their bit of ethnicity to yeah.
• 25:49
  Probably a very white cast, probably very white, very meal,
• 25:54
  cast, sort of thing that gets people hit up as well.
• 25:57
  You know those, you know it's in the Abominable Snowman.
• 25:59
  Now they made all the monks Asian.
• 26:02
  Yeah, instead of white actors Asia and up.
• 26:06
  Yeah, that would Like that would have been your heart even harder
• 26:09
  to explain. Why have you animated video,
• 26:13
  animated white men doing yellow face louvain was still sitting
• 26:18
  there spitting blood. Oh, well, apparently, he tweeted
• 26:21
  or Facebook to something recently about that, that the
• 26:24
  atrocious things they did to Hannah meeting Padma Samba.
• 26:28
  Oh, I love it. That's not the way to you, which
• 26:32
  had it on the plane and all the stars appeared.
• 26:36
  Sure. That wasn't in the original.
• 26:37
  They look great. I think I mean given that
• 26:39
  there's you know there's big gaps in the audio and things
• 26:42
  that are maybe a bit inexplicable or perhaps just a
• 26:45
  line on a camera script. What do you do with that?
• 26:47
  Because the fans have spoken and they said they want every second
• 26:51
  animated possible. You could cut those 30 seconds
• 26:54
  of silence, or you can have a dynamic flicking scene and have
• 26:58
  a bit of creative, you know, a bit of a flourish.
• 27:06
  Absolutely. How can I die?
• 27:08
  Will recover them phone all this but that looks terrific and it's
• 27:12
  really good. Am I think?
• 27:14
  Apparently they really struggled to get the phone to work right
• 27:17
  on location because this form and the Emulsion that they would
• 27:22
  use to get the phone worked best with.
• 27:27
  With ordinary water not with seawater and they thought well,
• 27:31
  it's fine. We can just pump water from the
• 27:32
  sea in the realize that seawater just didn't make it work the
• 27:34
  same. So they had to somehow figure
• 27:36
  out how to get water to the rig's, to make it happen.
• 27:40
  So I think they were pretty industrious.
• 27:43
  The doctor who like the BBC special effects team especially
• 27:47
  in this era. They seem all a bit like,
• 27:49
  they're a bit crazy. Some of the people in willing to
• 27:51
  take risks are all pistol, down the pub at lunch.
• 27:56
  I think that the effects and he had to stay overnight on the
• 27:59
  rig, but the phone's toxic. I'll do.
• 28:02
  I just don't tell the actors poor, if I don't say it.
• 28:06
  Yeah, like the carcinogenic, it's gonna look amazing.
• 28:17
  I mean, I do use the phone a lot liar, but have you ever read the
• 28:20
  government? Needs your death?
• 28:25
  Paprika August offal off. When Patrick trust stumbles in
• 28:29
  covered in fairy liquid, that's priceless what to say in a story
• 28:35
  with variable Lazio, can you hear that?
• 28:39
  That's a cat outside my window, screaming his head off.
• 28:41
  What Mister will you keep it down?
• 28:44
  Sorry, CDL back, let's say a liar.
• 28:51
  Give ya, given the Cliffhangers in it.
• 28:53
  I think this is a really excellent.
• 28:55
  Excellent, like Vivid memorable, Cliffhanger With Robson on the,
• 29:01
  for all the foam and the we drowned them saying come in
• 29:05
  doctor. I've been waiting for you.
• 29:08
  Yeah. And it's not a, it's not a jump
• 29:11
  skier. Again, it's an atmospheric
• 29:13
  slightly, Eerie menacing conclusion, 10 episode, it's not
• 29:20
  it's not your usual. Someone in Peril, it's all know.
• 29:23
  There is someone in Peril she's screwing around off right now.
• 29:25
  Now Jamie. Oh she is maybe.
• 29:29
  That's what you heard. It wasn't, it wasn't Victoria
• 29:32
  not a cat. By the way.
• 29:39
  Love the Banshee. They should have out of it for a
• 29:40
  story called that. Oh yeah.
• 29:44
  But I'm willing to bet this location work.
• 29:46
  A lot of this was I don't feel wasn't it obviously their
• 29:48
  location, but a lot of the stuff in the studio, as well.
• 29:52
  He all of episode six was filled with, wasn't it?
• 29:55
  I think the, I think a lot of its in the latter, half the
• 29:58
  story, The the few things they got of them in front of that
• 30:03
  sort of lit up map, instead, looks like it's always really
• 30:07
  crisp. Yeah.
• 30:10
  My God. Look at everybody.
• 30:11
  Gotta you know what made me laugh, right?
• 30:12
  Is a couple of those faces that come out the phone there?
• 30:15
  Yeah, they've reuse those from The Shard or animation.
• 30:18
  It's the same. Bloody faces of the people that
• 30:20
  were in the prison. They hadn't clocked that.
• 30:23
  Well, they've gotta be economic and I with the animation.
• 30:26
  Yeah, fair enough. And I think that's a really
• 30:29
  really decent Cliffhanger. Mmm, what would you what you
• 30:32
  think is the best one of the story often that ranks?
• 30:36
  I think it's between that and saris going out into the sea
• 30:41
  because it's sort of something. So, Odd about her willingly.
• 30:46
  Just stepping out to sea while though you quite like the the
• 30:51
  ominous nature of down there in the darkness or roof way to
• 30:57
  eating years that to, I think because it's more about the
• 31:02
  atmosphere building in this as a pretty rude lot as well.
• 31:05
  You know, I've got it.