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Mega Edition: Bryan Kohberger And The Questions That Remained Even After The Arrest (9/22/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. There
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: are many mysteries still left to be solved when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to the murders in Moscow. But in this episode,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to take a look at 10 of the
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  Speaker 1: key mysteries that still need to be solved. And to
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  Speaker 1: do that, we have an article from Fox News. So
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  Speaker 1: let's just dive right in and let's see what Fox
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  Speaker 1: News has for us. Headline, Idaho Murders. 10 key mysteries
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  Speaker 1: that need to be solved. Corporal Brett Payne's affidavit is
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  Speaker 1: the information needed to delve into 10 key mysteries of
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  Speaker 1: the Idaho murders. And this article was authored by Paul Morrow.
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger's arrest has raised lots of questions about the
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  Speaker 1: Idaho quadruple murders. But this speculation focuses on two key
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  Speaker 1: points without any solid information. What's the motive? And where's
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  Speaker 1: the murder weapon? Yet there is one source of information
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  Speaker 1: we do have. The arrest warrant affidavit of Corporal Brett Payne. Now, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: everybody wants to know the motive here. We all want
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  Speaker 1: to know the motive. And it's starting to look like
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  Speaker 1: things are falling into place as far as how Brian
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  Speaker 1: Koberger met these girls or at least saw these girls
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  Speaker 1: and they came into his orbit. Being with Instagram, we
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  Speaker 1: have the rumors about the Mad Greek. Believe it if
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  Speaker 1: you want or don't believe it. It all comes down
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  Speaker 1: to if you believe the sources or the restaurant. And
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  Speaker 1: there's certainly going to be people out there who believe
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  Speaker 1: what the owner of the Mad Greek has to say.
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  Speaker 1: And that's completely fine. I can't sit here and say, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: they're lying because I don't know. I just happen to
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  Speaker 1: believe the source that people has. Because when you look
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  Speaker 1: at the overall of what we're talking about here and
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  Speaker 1: how Kohlberger came across these girls in the first place,
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  Speaker 1: it just makes the most sense to me. But that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean I'm absolutely pigeonholed. If there is evidence that
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  Speaker 1: refutes this, besides the owner of the Mad Greek saying that,
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  Speaker 1: then we'll follow it wherever it goes. But right now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm under the impression that the owner of the Mad Greek...
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  Speaker 1: is trying to avoid more controversy and to avoid the
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  Speaker 1: shit show that will come his way if he or
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  Speaker 1: her admits that Koberger actually was there. So we have
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  Speaker 1: to take everything that we hear from all sides with
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  Speaker 1: a grain of salt because both sides are going to
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  Speaker 1: be looking to control that narrative. So it's important to
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  Speaker 1: take all of the information, look at it in context,
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  Speaker 1: and then go from there. So number one, Why didn't
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  Speaker 1: DM call 911 after seeing the perp? This has been
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  Speaker 1: the most remarked upon aspect of the affidavit. Adding to
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  Speaker 1: it is the fact that even seven hours later, DM's
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  Speaker 1: first call was not to 911, but to friends who
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  Speaker 1: arrived and apparently participated in the 911 call. Certainly an
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  Speaker 1: odd situation that needs to be explained. There is no
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  Speaker 1: doubt that there has to be some clarity here about
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  Speaker 1: what went down. The phone call. the other friends coming over,
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  Speaker 1: all of that jazz has to be explained at some point.
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  Speaker 1: What has been overlooked has been the strongly positive aspect
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  Speaker 1: of DM's eyewitness encounter. Her description of who she saw
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  Speaker 1: in the house undoubtedly helped inform the focus on Kohlberger
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  Speaker 1: once his car was found. And as such informed, the
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  Speaker 1: subsequent search warrants done on his phone movements and likely
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  Speaker 1: his social media, cloud account, and other digital platforms. So
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  Speaker 1: this whole thing has to get explained at some point,
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  Speaker 1: meaning the phone call and people out there with legitimate
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  Speaker 1: questions about what happened as far as the gap between
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  Speaker 1: her seeing Brian Koberger allegedly and making that phone call.
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  Speaker 1: I find those questions to all be legitimate. What I
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  Speaker 1: don't find to be legitimate is trying to frame it
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  Speaker 1: like this girl had something to do with these murders
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  Speaker 1: because I find that absolutely ridiculous. There's no way that
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  Speaker 1: the police wouldn't have her locked in as a suspect,
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  Speaker 1: as somebody involved, if there was any evidence of that.
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  Speaker 1: But there isn't, at least none that we have seen
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  Speaker 1: so far. What we have seen is a traumatized girl
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  Speaker 1: who could have reacted in a better manner for sure.
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  Speaker 1: But guess what? The reality is, in real life, sometimes, hell,
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  Speaker 1: most of the times, things don't work out the way
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  Speaker 1: we think. Number two. Had it reviews of forensic downloads
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  Speaker 1: of records from BF and DM's phones lead investigators to
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  Speaker 1: believe the homicides occurred between 4 a.m. and 425 a.m.? Presumably,
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  Speaker 1: both surviving roommates consented to a dump of their phones
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  Speaker 1: for the night in question and likely the morning after.
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  Speaker 1: What content there helped investigators fix the time of the death? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I would think that the DoorDash order that Zanna had
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  Speaker 1: would help play into that as well. Now, there's no
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  Speaker 1: doubt that BF and DM's phones will certainly help make
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  Speaker 1: a more robust picture for the authorities. But knowing that
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  Speaker 1: XANA was up on TikTok and getting that DoorDash order,
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  Speaker 1: that certainly helps get the timeline a bit more locked in.
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  Speaker 1: Number three, why the term suspect vehicle number one as
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  Speaker 1: opposed to simply suspect vehicle? Is there a second car?
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  Speaker 1: Or is this just a vestige of language from earlier
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  Speaker 1: in the investigation? That's a good question as well. We'll
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  Speaker 1: have to get some clarity on that. But with this
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  Speaker 1: gag order, it's going to be hard to do that.
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  Speaker 1: So it is a good question. It's legitimate. And whenever
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  Speaker 1: there's that kind of language in one of these documents,
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  Speaker 1: it should be explained, right? Why is there suspect vehicle
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  Speaker 1: number one? Is there a number two? Pretty basic question. Now,
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  Speaker 1: we also have to remember that that a lot of
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  Speaker 1: this stuff is standard in these kinds of requests, in
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  Speaker 1: these kinds of write-ups. But we have no clarity here.
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  Speaker 1: We haven't had any kind of explanation for any of
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  Speaker 1: this stuff. And especially with that gag order, forget about it.
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  Speaker 1: So it's going to be up to the experts who
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  Speaker 1: aren't working on the case to try and figure all
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  Speaker 1: of that out. But my guess is it was standard
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  Speaker 1: language from the original report. Number four. Where was the
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  Speaker 1: latent shoe print found and in what direction was it pointing?
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  Speaker 1: This matters because it could well indicate the killer's path
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  Speaker 1: through the house and therefore the order of the murders
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  Speaker 1: and even potentially the main target. Also, the print wasn't
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  Speaker 1: discovered until the second crime scene team was used a
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  Speaker 1: special liquid that illuminates blood. It was a latent print,
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  Speaker 1: not a patent visible print. With so much blood at
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  Speaker 1: a scene the police have described as graphic, it begs
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  Speaker 1: the question... Did the perpetrator attempt to clean up after
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  Speaker 1: the crime? Well, we know that he wasn't there for
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  Speaker 1: that long. So how could they possibly try and clean
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  Speaker 1: up after the crime? That would be a little bit weird, right?
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger didn't have enough time to clean up after this crime.
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  Speaker 1: But with the way the crime scene looked and the
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  Speaker 1: fact that it wasn't found until the second time around
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  Speaker 1: certainly needs to be answered. And if you're the defense
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  Speaker 1: team here, you're going to have a field day with
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  Speaker 1: that one. Why, if Koberger's car was discovered by Washington
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  Speaker 1: State Police on November 29th, did the task force allow
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  Speaker 1: him to leave town two weeks later? This is a
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  Speaker 1: big one. Consider, Koberger matched DM's description of the perp,
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  Speaker 1: owned a white Elantra of the correct year, and the
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  Speaker 1: car was missing a front plate, just like the car
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  Speaker 1: in the videos police pulled. Pretty unique. Why not get
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  Speaker 1: a search warrant and do a sneak and peek in
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  Speaker 1: the car at that point to check for DNA or blood?
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  Speaker 1: Why not get Koberger's DNA from his garbage in Pullman
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  Speaker 1: at that point? Was the task force simply too overburdened?
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  Speaker 1: As it is, Koberger, an accused quadruple murderer, ended up
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  Speaker 1: at large for another month. While the task force undeniably
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  Speaker 1: did a masterful job on the case, this one is puzzling.
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  Speaker 1: There's no doubt there are a lot of questions that
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  Speaker 1: still have to be answered. And that's why I always
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  Speaker 1: leave some room for doubt. We just don't know yet.
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  Speaker 1: We don't have all of the information. What we do
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  Speaker 1: have looks strong, but certainly there are a lot of
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  Speaker 1: questions that need some answers. Number six, why were the
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  Speaker 1: car stops in Indiana done? The reported reason has been
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  Speaker 1: to check Kohlberger's hands for cuts, but clearly more than
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  Speaker 1: a month after the murders and with the task force
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  Speaker 1: already in possession of some very solid evidence against him,
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  Speaker 1: the risk reward ratio for this tactic was poor. Would
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  Speaker 1: his cuts not have already healed? Would the stop not
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  Speaker 1: tip him off to the cops' focus? As it is,
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger began wearing gloves outside his home back in Pennsylvania
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  Speaker 1: and reportedly made efforts to hide his garbage among his neighbors.
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  Speaker 1: As this appears to be the only contact he had
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  Speaker 1: with the police before his arrest, clearly, the stops raised
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  Speaker 1: him up. Is there another reason this call was made?
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  Speaker 1: Good question. Who knows? We haven't had any clarity about
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  Speaker 1: that either. At first, we heard it was the FBI
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  Speaker 1: who made the request. to have him pulled over, then
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  Speaker 1: they came out and refuted that. So who the hell
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  Speaker 1: knows what's going on as far as that goes. Number seven.
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  Speaker 1: Why did Koberger reportedly take such a circuitous route from
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  Speaker 1: the crime scene? Was he attempting to avoid leaving a
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  Speaker 1: video trail of his car's movements? Had he used his
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  Speaker 1: school's access to local video feeds in planning it? Or
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  Speaker 1: did he ditch the murder weapon somewhere along the way?
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  Speaker 1: It is interesting to note that the circuitous route he
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  Speaker 1: took later in the day of the murders brought him
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  Speaker 1: right up to the Snake River. And that's what I
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  Speaker 1: said from the jump. There is no way they're ever
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  Speaker 1: going to find this murder weapon, in my opinion. It's
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  Speaker 1: at the bottom of a river, the bottom of a well,
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  Speaker 1: somewhere where nobody is ever going to find it again.
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  Speaker 1: And it's also my guess that on this drive home,
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  Speaker 1: that's exactly what he was doing. Getting rid of the clothes,
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  Speaker 1: getting rid of the murder weapon, getting rid of any
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  Speaker 1: evidence that might tie him to the crime. Number eight.
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  Speaker 1: Why did Koberger's phone ping in Moscow at one point
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  Speaker 1: when the affidavit says he wasn't there? Was he simply
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  Speaker 1: near the border of the two cell phone towers? Or
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  Speaker 1: did someone have his phone for some reason? Well, he'll
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  Speaker 1: have to prove that. Because anyone can say for any crime, well,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't me. I didn't have my phone. Someone stole it.
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  Speaker 1: Someone stole my car. And then they did that drive-by. Okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: that's fine. We're going to have to look into that.
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  Speaker 1: But do you have any proof? That's really what it's
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  Speaker 1: going to come down to. Can you prove any of
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  Speaker 1: that BS? Number nine. Why was Koberger in Johnson, Idaho
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  Speaker 1: later in the day after the murders? And why did
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  Speaker 1: his phone stop reporting there? Another big one, Johnson, Idaho,
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  Speaker 1: is a remote quarry area roughly two hours from Moscow.
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  Speaker 1: Yet his phone reported there from 5.32 to 5.36 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: after the murders, then went dead until 8.30 p.m. Did
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  Speaker 1: he ditch evidence out there? Probably. Probably what he was doing.
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  Speaker 1: Why else would you go out to this quarry area?
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  Speaker 1: I guess you could say you're out there exploring, going
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  Speaker 1: on a hike or whatever, if that's something you do
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  Speaker 1: all the time. But besides that, you're going to need
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  Speaker 1: an explanation for what you're doing in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: bumfuck nowhere. Further, what does this paragraph's concluding sentence mean?
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  Speaker 1: That is consistent with the 8458 phone being in the
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  Speaker 1: area that the 8458 phone traveled in the hours immediately
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  Speaker 1: following the suspect time the homicides occurred. Despite the typo,
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: I supplied the missing in. This is a very mysterious,
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  Speaker 1: opaque sentence. Was Ian Johnson twice after the murders? Again,
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  Speaker 1: we're not going to get any clarity, unfortunately, because of
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  Speaker 1: this gag order. Unless, of course, those media companies that
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  Speaker 1: have banded together to try and get it lifted are successful,
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  Speaker 1: then we'll have more access. But I don't think we're
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  Speaker 1: going to get too much clarity here, folks, as far
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  Speaker 1: as what's going on in that affidavit and what they
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  Speaker 1: mean by the language that we see in it. Number 10,
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  Speaker 1: why a six-month continuance? With all of the evidence in
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  Speaker 1: the affidavit and likely already more gathered, a six-month delay
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  Speaker 1: for a simple probable cause hearing is highly unusual. Understand
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  Speaker 1: that this doesn't mean the trial begins in six months.
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  Speaker 1: After this hearing, there will be an arraignment where you
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  Speaker 1: will plead, a likely motion to change venue, the discovery process,
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  Speaker 1: evidentiary motions and hearings, jury selection, a trial, and then
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  Speaker 1: potentially sentencing. At this rate, the process could take years.
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: Why do the prosecution and the judge so readily agree?
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  Speaker 1: Are there plea negotiations going on? Does the prosecution need
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  Speaker 1: more time to search for the weapon to investigate possible
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  Speaker 1: prior bad acts? None of these observations to my mind.
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  Speaker 1: damages the case against Koberger. I don't see any of
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  Speaker 1: them raising reasonable doubt, but going forward, it will be
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  Speaker 1: answers to the above that will provide a fuller picture
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  Speaker 1: of the prosecution's case. And there's no doubt that we
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: just don't have the clarity that's needed to really get
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  Speaker 1: a full-on HD picture of what's going on. So until
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  Speaker 1: we get there, we'll continue to swim through the muck
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  Speaker 1: looking for the clarity. All right, folks, that's going to
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  Speaker 1: found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome
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  Speaker 1: back to the program. One of the questions everybody has
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  Speaker 1: after reading the affidavit is why didn't Dylan call 911 sooner?
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  Speaker 1: And for me, we'll have to wait for the experts
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  Speaker 1: to answer that because we just don't know, right? When
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  Speaker 1: you're dealing with the human brain, when you're dealing with
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  Speaker 1: severe trauma, you're dealing with shock. You don't know how
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  Speaker 1: people are going to react to that. So I think
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  Speaker 1: it's foolish to for anyone from the sidelines to say, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I would have done this or I would have done that.
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  Speaker 1: The truth is, unless we're in that position, we don't
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  Speaker 1: know how we would react. And still, we don't have
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  Speaker 1: all of the context of what went on, right? In
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: the affidavit, it sounds like and it looks like the suspect,
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  Speaker 1: who they say is Brian Koberger, walked directly towards her
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  Speaker 1: before exiting the house. Now, was she on some sort
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  Speaker 1: of hallucinogenics that night? Was she drunk? We just don't know.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a lot of context that's missing from the
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  Speaker 1: overall story. And when you don't have all of that context,
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to really put your finger on what went
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  Speaker 1: down or what should have or shouldn't have happened. But
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  Speaker 1: one thing for me is for sure, this young lady
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  Speaker 1: is dealing with so much trauma right now. She's dealing
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  Speaker 1: with I'm guessing a lot of stress and anxiety and
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  Speaker 1: second guessing of her own actions. But when you're in
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: this situation, it's a whole different ballgame. We also have
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  Speaker 1: to remember, why would she think that this person is
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  Speaker 1: a killer? Maybe he was a guest hanging out with
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: their friends. So for me, at least, I find the
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  Speaker 1: line of questioning about her not making the phone call
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  Speaker 1: to be very valid. But what I don't think is
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  Speaker 1: a good idea is to criticize her behavior or her actions.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: in the aftermath of this insanely traumatic situation. And if
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  Speaker 1: you think that you're questioning what she did, my guess
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  Speaker 1: is she is really going hard on herself right now.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: You know, survivor's guilt is a real thing, folks. And
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: people who live through traumatic situations, school shootings, stuff like that,
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of them talk about the survivor's guilt that
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: they feel. I know the shooting here in Las Vegas,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: the Route 91 shooting, I've spoken with many, many people
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  Speaker 1: who attended that event who have survivor's guilt and they
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: didn't even lose a friend. So when we're dealing with
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: the human mind and, you know, human psyche, that's a
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: whole different conversation. And honestly, that's best left to the experts.
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  Speaker 1: So today we have an article from WPBF. It's a
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  Speaker 1: Palm Beach website down in Florida. And there is an
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  Speaker 1: ex-FBI agent talking about the roommate and her reactions. So
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  Speaker 1: let's get to this article real quick and let's see
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  Speaker 1: what they have to say. Why didn't roommate in Brian
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Koberger murder case call 911 after seeing killer? This article
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  Speaker 1: was authored by Terry Parker. Retired FBI agent says it's
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: likely she was in shock and had no idea her
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  Speaker 1: four roommates had been murdered. That's the most logical way
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: to go about it, right? She had no idea what
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: had happened in those other rooms. She's probably thinking this
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  Speaker 1: is a guest. Maybe one of Ethan's friends came over.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe one of the other roommates had somebody over and
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: they're making noise and leaving the house. Like she said
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: in the affidavit, she thought that they were playing with
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: the dog upstairs. So while we have hindsight to guide
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: us through this, remember Dylan didn't have that hindsight and
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  Speaker 1: this was all happening in a very fast manner. So
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  Speaker 1: imagine you walk out of your room, you see this,
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  Speaker 1: it's a lot to digest. And I know there's people
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  Speaker 1: out there that are saying, I would have done this, that,
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  Speaker 1: or the other thing. And I get it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: some of us grew up in the inner city. Some
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  Speaker 1: of us are distrustful by nature. And if anybody was
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: in our homes, well, we'd go crazy. But that's not
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  Speaker 1: the case here. Remember, this is a college house where
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: kids are coming and going all the time. There's always
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  Speaker 1: friends there. What would make this girl think that the
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  Speaker 1: person who she sees is just getting finished murdering her roommates?
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  Speaker 1: So when you look at it from that perspective, it
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  Speaker 1: makes a lot more sense, right? Moscow police say Brian
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  Speaker 1: Koberger is the man who went into the slain Idaho
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: student's house just after 4 a.m. on November 13th and
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: stabbed four of them to death in two different bedrooms. Remember,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: that's who everybody should be angry at, the person who
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: did this. From the just-released arrest affidavit, we learn that
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: one of the surviving roommates... was not asleep downstairs as
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: police originally indicated, but heard voices, heard crying, and even
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  Speaker 1: saw the masked killer when she opened her second floor
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  Speaker 1: bedroom door. Then, you know, you hear about the crying
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: and you say, oh man, that's rough. Why didn't she
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: call the cops then? Well, maybe one of the roommates
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: was crying to her boyfriend and she's thinking to herself, oh,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: she's drunk crying again. See, with context, things can be different. Now,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that is the case, right? That someone
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: was always crying there or what I am saying is
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: we just don't know. So it's very difficult to come
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: at this girl and say, you should have done this,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: that or the other thing when we don't even know
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: all of the circumstances. All we have is what we know.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: this affidavit has told us so far. Retired FBI special
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: agent John McAvey said police didn't reveal all of this
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: or that she was a witness because they were obviously
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: protecting her until they made an arrest. But the looming
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: question remains why the survivor locked her door and apparently
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: didn't alert anyone to call 911 until almost noon the
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: next day. And look, that is a valid question to ask.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: People don't know why somebody would do that. So it's
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: up to the experts, psychology experts and the rest of
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: them to give a proper explanation of what trauma does
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: to people. And while I'm certainly not a psychologist or
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: somebody who is even qualified to deal with the human psyche,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I have seen what trauma does to people. I have
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: seen what the trauma did to those Epstein survivors. And
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: it was all bad, folks, all bad. You have women
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: who have been dealing with that trauma now for decades.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: And even with getting help, even with going to psychologists,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: they can't shake it. And there's no doubt that Dylan
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: is going to be going through the same kind of deal.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: McVeigh said everyone reacts differently and we don't know what
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: her state of mind may have been even after seeing
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: that strange masked man. McVeigh said she may have thought
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: she was seeing a domestic dispute with one of her
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: roommates' unknown dates. The last thing you're thinking is that
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: your friends have all been murdered. You know, you hear crying,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: you hear a scuffle, you hear a movement. You're not
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: going to think that everybody's been killed, McVeigh said. And
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: that's true. I know that wouldn't be my default thought
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: if I was living in a house with roommates and
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: there was all kinds of noise and chaos and commotion.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I would think that they were drunk acting stupid. I
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: would certainly not think that everybody had been murdered with
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: a K-bar knife while they were in bed. McVeigh said
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: it was possible that the killer did not see the
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: roommate if she had her lights off and was only
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: peering out through a cracked door as he walked past.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: That could be possible. Very, very possible. Again, we don't
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: have all of the details. We just have a basic
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: outline that was provided to us by the affidavit. But
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: that certainly doesn't go into context about every last little
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: detail that we would need to see the big picture here.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: We basically got the cliff notes, right? We didn't get
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: the whole report. Police said they found a K-bar knife
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: sheath containing DNA on one of the victim's beds. Sources
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: say because no match to the DNA showed up on
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: the National CODIS database, police then used DNA genealogy to
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: track down the suspect's relatives. And it's amazing to me
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: to see how far that this technology has come throughout
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: the years. Because remember in the old days? Somebody killed
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: somebody and there'd be no way to find them if
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: you couldn't get the murder weapon or, you know, real
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: strong evidence. Now they're using all kinds of crazy methods
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: to track people down, go through their trash, you name it.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: And if you're somebody that the federal government is looking for,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: you're going to get caught eventually because these guys are
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: pretty crafty at what they're doing as far as field work.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: The bureaucrats in the FBI, you know, the bosses, they
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: can all go get screwed. But the actual men and
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: women on the ground that are doing the job, they're
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: really good at what they do. And when it comes
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: to this sort of thing, intelligence, profile building, there's nobody
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: in the world better. At the same time, investigators were
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: getting leads on white Elantras, like the one seen on
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: surveillance at the crime scene. Sources say, once genealogists narrowed
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: down the suspect's relatives to his immediate family, the family
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: was matched with one Elantra found at nearby Washington State University,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: owned by Koberger. Police say they pulled trash from the
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: family's Pennsylvania home and matched Koberger's father's DNA as being
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: the father of the person whose DNA was on the
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: knife sheath. And if you're the only son of that guy, well,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: guess what? You should expect a knock on your door,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: or in this case, your door and windows being kicked
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: in at about 3 a.m. And that is exactly what
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Koberger received. A nice visit from the SWAT team, kicking
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: in the door, dragging you out of your bed, the
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: whole entire routine. But as far as Dylan goes and
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: her psyche at the time and why she didn't call 911,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I don't have an answer for that. And I don't
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: think anyone else does either besides Dylan. And at some
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: point she might talk about it, she might not, but
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: she went through a very, very traumatic experience. And I
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: can't even imagine being her family or her friends right
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: now that are trying to support her. And she's probably
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: still in shock, folks, honestly. It takes a long time
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: for something like that to wear off. And as she
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: continues to, you know, remember what happened, have flashbacks, question
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: her own actions, it's going to be a long road
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: for Dylan to try and get right. And I hope
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: that she has the proper people around her to do that.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: And my guess is she does. So we'll continue to
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: follow along here with what the experts have to say,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: and we'll continue to add articles and episodes to the
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: catalog dealing with this situation specifically about why the phone
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: call to 911 wasn't made and what could have went
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: into something like that as far as from a trauma perspective.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one.
• 25:28
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• 25:30
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• 25:40
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• 25:51
  Speaker 1: what's up, everyone? And welcome back to the program. On
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: July 2nd, 2025, Brian Christopher Koberger finally said the words
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: many had been waiting for, guilty. After nearly three years
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: of national speculation, press conferences, online manhunts, and legal sparring,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: the man accused of butchering four University of Idaho students
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: stood before a judge and admitted to what everyone with
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: a functioning sense of reality already suspected. He did it.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: But with that plea, came a ripple of unexpected silence.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: No trial, no cross-examination, no gallery of evidence unveiled to
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: the public, no motive, no manifesto, no theory proven beyond
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: reasonable doubt. Just a sudden surrender. And with it, the
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: gavel fell on a dozen questions we may never have
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: the answers to. Today, I want to walk you through
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: some of the biggest questions that remain unresolved in the
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: wake of Brian Kohlberger's guilty plea, and what we might
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: expect going forward. There's something uniquely unsettling about a story
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: that ends without resolution, especially when that story involves four
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: innocent young lives stolen in the most brutal of ways
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: in the middle of a quiet college town. The plea
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: may have satisfied the legal system, but for the public,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: and especially the families, it left a cavern of ambiguity.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: What was the driving force? Why them? And what else
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: do we still not know? A trial would have forced
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: those questions into the light. Witnesses would have been cross-examined.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Evidence would have been scrutinized publicly. Motives would have had
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: to be proposed, tested, defended. Instead, we gotta fast forward
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: to the ending, skipping the chapters where the why, the how,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: and the what are usually answered. That's why today's questions matter.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Not for curiosity, per se, but for closure. Because even
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: though the killer has admitted guilt, The case is far
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: from over in the court of public understanding. And until
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: these gaps are addressed, the Brian Koberger case will remain
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: a living ghost haunting every parent, every student, every community
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: who wonders whether this horror was truly one of a
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: kind or just the first we happened to catch. Question 1.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: What was the motive? This is the monster under the bed.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: What made a PhD criminology student, a man seemingly obsessed
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: with the study of violent behavior... Crossed the line from
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: theorist to perpetrator. The prosecution summary didn't offer a motive.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: The plea didn't require one. And Kohlberger, stoic, silent, almost clinical,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: has never explained why. Was it rage? A narcissistic fantasy?
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Was he trying to execute the perfect crime to test
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: law enforcement for his own ego gratification? Or was it
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: something more primal? Rejection, envy, or even obsession with one
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: of the victims? We don't know. Will we ever find out? Maybe.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: If Koberger speaks at sentencing on July 23rd, we might
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: hear him frame his actions or dodge them with cryptic half-apologies.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: But don't count on a moment of clarity. His psychological
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: evaluation remains sealed. And unless he's pressured by conscience or
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: wants to control the narrative with a prison memoir one day,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: this might be the question that dies with him. And
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: let's get one thing clear. The public's hunger for motive
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: isn't voyeurism. It's a natural human impulse to make sense
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: of chaos. When four people are slaughtered in the dead
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: of night with no clear reason, our collective psyche recoils.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: We need the why, because the absence of it makes
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: the crime feel random, untethered from logic or justice. That
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: randomness breeds fear and unresolved trauma. Some have speculated that
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Koberger saw himself as an intellectually superior and may have
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: believed he could outsmart investigators. That perhaps the murders were
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: an exercise in control. Domination over life and death, over police,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: over public perception. If that's true, then withholding a motive
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: might be part of the final power play, letting us wonder,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: letting the silence speak louder than anything he could have said.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Others suggest that he may have felt emasculated and socially
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: alienated or overlooked. In a world where online incel culture
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: quietly festers, it's not implausible that a man with severe
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: social deficits might project blame on the popular, outgoing victims.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: But until Koberger opens his mouth All we have are
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: psychological projections and circumstantial clues. The deeper truth, whatever it is,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: sits locked behind his eyes. Question 2. Why that house?
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Why those victims? The King Road home wasn't just any
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: college house. It was well known around town, lively, and
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: central to student life. But why did Koberger, who lived
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: 10 miles away in Pullman, choose that house on that night?
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Did he know the layout? Was he watching them for weeks?
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: He left two roommates alive. Was that mercy or an oversight?
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Investigators floated the idea that the attack was targeted, yet
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: even after combing through phones, apps, and social media records,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: no connection between Kohlberger and the victims has ever been
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: confirmed publicly. Could one of the victims have unknowingly sparked
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: his fixation, perhaps through a perceived slight or a social
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: media post? Or was it random, the house simply chosen
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: for its exposure and vulnerability? This question may see daylight someday.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: If forensic digital experts can link him to the online
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: stalking behavior, or if he left digital breadcrumbs that were
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: redacted from court documents, those could be released post-sentencing, but
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: unless he confesses, we're left with shadows. And to some,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: that is deeply unsettling. Not just for the families, but
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: for the broader public. Because if there was a reason,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: even a twisted one, it provides a barrier between what
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: happened and what might happen again. If there was no reason,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: if this was purely arbitrary, then any home, any student,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: any night could have been next. We know that Kohlberger
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: was studying criminal justice and had posted academic surveys online
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: asking criminals about their thought process. He was a man
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: fascinated by behavioral patterns. Could he have chosen that house
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: because it was the perfect case study? Did he see
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: it as a simulation brought to life? And if so,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: was this the first time following the students? or just
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: the first time he acted, on the compulsion. The fact
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: that he reportedly stalked the area 12 times before the
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: murders shows planning, but what about previous obsessions, other schools,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: other houses? That's a line of questioning that will now
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: go untested in open court. There's also the chilling possibility
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: that the house layout itself drew him in. Multiple entry points,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: multiple levels, visibility from the street. A crime of opportunity,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: cloaked in methodical planning. And if that's true, It reinforces
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: the idea that the victims weren't targeted as people, but
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: as pieces in a puzzle only he could see. Question 3.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: What forensic evidence is still hidden? The plea deal will
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: allow prosecutors to avoid putting on a full evidentiary show.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: What we do know is chilling. Kohlberger's DNA on a
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: knife sheath left behind, a Q-tip from family trash that
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: sealed his match, cell phone records tracking him circling the
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: house a dozen times, surveillance of his Hyundai Elantra moving
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: in the area. A spotless car that raised suspicions, not
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: for what it showed, but for what it didn't. But
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: that's just the tip of the iceberg. We don't know
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: yet the full timeline constructed by digital forensics, what surveillance
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: video might have captured beyond the vehicle, or how close
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: he came to being caught sooner. Investigators said the physical
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: scene was brutal, but details were withheld to protect the
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: families and the integrity of the investigation. Will these details
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: ever be made public? Possibly. If civil lawsuits emerge or
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: public records requests exceed post-sentencing, we could see deeper disclosures.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: But barring that, much of what was collected, the profiles,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: psychological indicators, maybe even audio, could remain sealed forever. Law
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: enforcement had executed over 50 search warrants and seized multiple
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: digital devices, hard drives, and data storage units. What exactly
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: was on those devices? Were there photos, notes, simulations? If so,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: they could offer insight not just into the crime, but
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: into the killer's mind. That information may never see the
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: light unless Kohlberger becomes the subject of a book, a documentary,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: or an investigation after his death. And what about blood evidence?
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Partial prints? Hair fibers? Traced DNA from the victims on
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: his clothes or his vehicle? Were any cleaning agents detected?
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: These are the details the trial would have illuminated. but
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: now we're all left wondering whether Kohlberger's confidence came from
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: arrogance or knowledge of how thoroughly he had covered his tracks.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: The Q-tip alone, recovered from his parents' trash, was enough
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: to match the DNA on the sheath. But was that
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: the only piece of biological evidence? What else did forensics
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: tell investigators about his contact with the scene? Were the
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: touch points inside the home beyond the bedroom where the
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: sheath was found And crucially, what didn't match? Any evidence
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: of a possible accomplice or witnesses? Sometimes, what's not released
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: can be more telling than what is. The silence around
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: untested samples or potential contradictions raises even more unsettling possibilities.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: So why did he take the plea? And why now?
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Just weeks ago, Kohlberger was preparing for trial. His defense
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: was fighting over venue changes, challenging DNA evidence, and insisting
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: he was innocent. Then snap. A 100 degree turn. Why?
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Was the case too airtight to fight? Did new evidence
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: surface in discovery that boxed him in? Or did the
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: defense realize the jury pool in Idaho was not going
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: to be sympathetic to a man accused of sneaking into
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: a college home and stabbing four students to death? Legal
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: analysts have speculated that this was a strategic retreat to
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: avoid the death penalty. That much is clear. But the
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: timing is odd. Why not strike the deal earlier, save
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: the families a year of torment? Why wait until just
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: before trial? There is reason to believe that this was
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: the result of a slow-moving negotiation, one likely held behind
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: closed doors, between prosecutors and the defense, under the weight
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: of newly unsealed evidence. The defense was holding out hope
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: that one or two pre-trial motions would derail the case,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: suppress the DNA match, question the chain of custody, or
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: cast doubt on the cell tower mapping. But once those
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: strategies failed or worse backfired, the risk became clear. A
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: death sentence was almost inevitable if the case went to
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: trial and the jury saw the full weight of evidence
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: and the families, for their part, were given limited input.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: In Idaho, prosecutors don't need family approval to offer a plea.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Several relatives expressed frustration, some even outrage, that the courtroom
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: confrontation they were preparing for was snatched away without warning.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: For them, The timing wasn't strategic. It was cruel. It
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: robbed them of their moment to speak the truth to
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: the man who destroyed their lives. But there may have
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: been other incentives, ones we haven't been told. We don't know.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: And because this didn't go to trial, there may be
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: deals within deals, agreements wrapped in confidentiality clauses, and prosecutorial discretion.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Layers we won't see unless they unravel after the judge
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: removes the gag order or through future litigation. Ultimately, the
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: timing raises the question, was this plea about mercy or
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: about damage control? If it was the latter, what exactly
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: was he trying to keep hidden? Question number five. Will
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Koberger ever fully speak? Here's the most haunting question of all.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: With the deal in place, there's no requirement for Koberger
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: to explain his actions. No legal pressure, no obligation, and
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: if the goal was to avoid trial and save his
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: own life, then silence is part of the strategy. But,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Prison is long. His mind might change. Will he confess
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: in detail? Maybe in a letter? A statement at sentencing?
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: A media interview 10 years from now? Or will he
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: join the pantheon of killers who will never talk, content
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: to let the mystery inflate their legend and confuse their legacy?
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: The reality is we've seen both paths before. Some killers
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: like BTK or Edmund Kemper eventually spilled everything, seeking notoriety
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: or catharsis. Others, like Israel Keyes or the Zodiac Killer,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: kept their secrets until death. Kohlberger's personality, highly academic, narcissistic,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: and socially awkward, suggests that he might crave intellectual control
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: over his narrative. That could mean one day he tells
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: it all, but on his terms, not the court's, not
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: the family's, not the media's. It's also possible that Kohlberger
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: is quietly preparing to position himself as a misunderstood figure.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: We've seen inmates use public platforms to soften their image,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: creating pseudo-intellectual reflections, repackaging their crimes as cautionary tales, or
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: even seeking to publish memoirs. Given Koberger's academic background, it's
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: not unthinkable he might one day try to reframe his
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: actions within criminological or psychological lens. Then again, Then again,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: he might never speak because the truth is uglier than
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: we expect. Perhaps the motive was banal, the trigger embarrassingly petty.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Maybe he doesn't have a clean explanation. Maybe the decision
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: to kill four people came from a fog of rage, compulsion,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: or psychological rot that even he can't explain. That's the
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: most terrifying possibility. Not that he won't tell us, but
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  Speaker 1: that even he doesn't fully understand why. And if he
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: does speak, will we even believe him? People want a confession,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: but confessions are not always the truth. They can be curated, manipulative,
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  Speaker 1: designed to generate sympathy or legacy. Even if Koberger tells
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: us why, we'll have to decide whether to believe him.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: After all, he's already proven he's capable of deception, silence,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: and calculation on a monstrous scale. And now, we're left
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: with a case that feels resolved on paper, but unfinished
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: everywhere else. We got a plea, not an explanation. We
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: got a conviction, not comprehension. Brian Koberger admitted what he did,
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  Speaker 1: but he refused to say why he did it. He
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: gave us the ending without ever telling the story. That's
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: not justice. That's a plea deal. That's a legal transaction
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: that skipped over the very thing the families needed the most,
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  Speaker 1: the truth. This wasn't some ambiguous act of violence. This
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: was planned. targeted, and executed with precision. He circled that house.
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  Speaker 1: He stalked those students. He walked into a home full
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: of sleeping young people and turned it into a morgue.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: And now he gets to sit in a concrete box
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  Speaker 1: and say nothing. No trial. No cross. No testimony. Just silence.
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  Speaker 1: A silence that protects him more than it protects the dead.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: And look, we don't need closure. Closure is for stories.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: This was a slaughter. What we need is clarity. And
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: if Brian Kohlberger chooses to keep that locked behind his
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: teeth for the rest of his life, then he doesn't
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: just remain a killer, he becomes a thief. A thief
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  Speaker 1: of truth. A thief of peace. A man who murdered
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: four people, then buried the why next to them. Now,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: I understand why the prosecution made the deal. The death
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: penalty is a burden of proof beyond proof. It drags
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: on for decades. It opens the door to appeals, reversals,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: and the re-traumatization of families. A plea guarantees the outcome.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: It locks in the sentence. It spares the courtroom from
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: becoming a spectacle. Strategically, it's clean. Legally, it makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean I like it. And it doesn't
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: mean it was the right moral choice. There is something
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: hollow about a process that lets a man do something
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: like this and then escape the spotlight of accountability simply
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: by saying, I plead guilty. It may satisfy the law,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: but it leaves a truth on the table. Truth that
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: should have been demanded not negotiated. So while I respect
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: the prosecution's position, I reject the idea that this was
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: justice in full. It was justice in part. It was
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: the least worst outcome. It was survival, not resolution. And
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: it may be the best the system can offer, but
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that we have to pretend that that
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: was enough. All of the information that goes with this
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