Latest / Early Edition with Ryan Bridge / Steve McCracken: Secondary Principals' Council Chair on teachers given more legal power to remove disruptive students from class

Transcript

Steve McCracken: Secondary Principals' Council Chair on teachers given more legal power to remove disruptive students from class · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: What is reasonable. Force at wants to give more teachers
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: or teachers, I should say, more rights to deal with
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: trouble makers, or as Paul Henry calls them. Let's be honest,
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: there are a lot of little shits in classrooms and
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: we need to address that. If we're going to lift
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: education standards, right, parents who don't turn up to mandatory
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: school meetings could be hit with a fine three hundred
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: bucks rising to three grand Steve McCracken Secondary Principles chair
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: with me this morning, Steve.
• 0:28
  Speaker 2: Good morning, Yeah, good morning, Ryan, how are you good?
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: Thank you? Is he righted? There are lots of little
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: shits and classrooms?
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: Oh that's far from the Ryan. I think that there's
• 0:37
  Speaker 2: a level of disruption that has been caused in terms
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: of young people and their access to the curriculum in
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: that but it's not because of how he describes it.
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: I think it's actually because of the resourcing and availability
• 0:49
  Speaker 2: of access to curriculum fundamentally. So instead of having a
• 0:54
  Speaker 2: policy like this out out, how about we actually think
• 0:56
  Speaker 2: about the fundamentals of education and what it actually is.
• 0:59
  Speaker 1: So he's wrong, then, how did we get to the
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: bottom of the feeling safe at school in the OECD.
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that there's a CD report actually says
• 1:10
  Speaker 2: in New Zealand's one of the worst performing countries. I
• 1:13
  Speaker 2: think it is frying from my recollection of it. So,
• 1:17
  Speaker 2: so has that to do with that curriculum we got
• 1:19
  Speaker 2: the right?
• 1:19
  Speaker 1: Is that to do with the curriculum? No, it's not.
• 1:21
  Speaker 1: It's got to do with behavior, isn't it.
• 1:24
  Speaker 2: No, it have to do with the curriculum and how
• 1:26
  Speaker 2: we actually access it, and how young people are actually
• 1:30
  Speaker 2: achieving and engaging in lessons, and how they can't engage
• 1:34
  Speaker 2: they can't actually access the curriculum.
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: But hang on, hanging on, hang on, how Steve has
• 1:39
  Speaker 1: access to a curriculum got anything to do with how
• 1:43
  Speaker 1: disruptive or abusive students are in class?
• 1:47
  Speaker 2: If young people can't access the curriculum, if they can't
• 1:50
  Speaker 2: sit in class, they can't actually understand what's going on.
• 1:54
  Speaker 2: You're going to switch off, You're going to actually not
• 1:56
  Speaker 2: be able to sit in a classroom.
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, So how old is that teachers aren't engaging their
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: students enough, so therefore they're not teaching well enough and
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: that's why the kids are lashing out.
• 2:06
  Speaker 2: It's a systemic issue. Brian in terms of how teachers
• 2:09
  Speaker 2: do an amazing job, and.
• 2:11
  Speaker 1: So what is the issue? I'm trying to get to
• 2:13
  Speaker 1: the point. What is specifically is the problem. The teachers
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: are doing a great job, no issue there. The students
• 2:18
  Speaker 1: are lashing out because they're not being taught well enough.
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: What part aren't they being.
• 2:22
  Speaker 2: Taught Their ability to actually access the curriculum because of
• 2:27
  Speaker 2: socioeconomic and needs access to fit the support that they
• 2:31
  Speaker 2: need they're at that's meal of this.
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: What do you mean access the curriculum? The teacher is
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: at the front of the class teaching it. If they
• 2:37
  Speaker 1: would listen, they would get it.
• 2:39
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, absolutely, but their ability to actually sit and
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: listen is limited. Right. So a young person growing up
• 2:46
  Speaker 2: in New Zealand these days has potentially some some of
• 2:51
  Speaker 2: the people that they're possibly referring to have the lack
• 2:55
  Speaker 2: of skills or lack of ability to actually access it.
• 2:58
  Speaker 2: And that's through systemic shoes around learning support needs anything
• 3:04
  Speaker 2: they need to actually intervene and get them down to
• 3:08
  Speaker 2: what they need. So, I mean this policy is fundamentally
• 3:12
  Speaker 2: from gas lighting, right.
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, And so you're saying, what about the situation where
• 3:18
  Speaker 1: a kid throws a punch at a teacher. Should the
• 3:20
  Speaker 1: teacher restrain the child.
• 3:22
  Speaker 2: And that's already in place in terms of that in
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: terms of the rule.
• 3:27
  Speaker 1: As a last result, though, isn't it?
• 3:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, and that's absolutely fine from our put
• 3:33
  Speaker 2: From my perspective, a young person should not be able
• 3:37
  Speaker 2: to lash out at anybody, whether it's a teacher or
• 3:41
  Speaker 2: another student or even themselves. Do you know what.
• 3:43
  Speaker 1: The problem is, Steve, that we've got is that we're
• 3:46
  Speaker 1: now at the point where we're talking about manhandling students
• 3:50
  Speaker 1: because we're the most unsafe place in the OECD. There
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem to when I ask you what the problem is,
• 3:56
  Speaker 1: you say systemic issues. I mean that is so catchual
• 3:59
  Speaker 1: and vague and means nothing that here we are with
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: a policy like this.
• 4:05
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't think that means nothing at all, right,
• 4:07
  Speaker 2: and I think that it's actually the truth in terms
• 4:09
  Speaker 2: of how we do things in education, and I think
• 4:13
  Speaker 2: that there's a real need for some interventions to support
• 4:17
  Speaker 2: those people who can't access the curriculum. But doing this
• 4:21
  Speaker 2: is not the way in terms of how education you
• 4:24
  Speaker 2: should be seen in the future.
• 4:25
  Speaker 1: All Right, Steve Good TV on the show Steve McCracken
• 4:27
  Speaker 1: Secondary Principles Council.
• 4:28
  Speaker 2: Share for more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge. Listen
• 4:32
  Speaker 2: live to news Talks it Be from five am weekdays,
• 4:35
  Speaker 2: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio