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Ep. 292 - How God Was Blasphemed at the Paris Olympics · The Living Waters Podcast

• 1:04
  Mark Spence: I read an interesting quote from a game that is no longer obviously part of the Olympic Games.
• 1:09
  Mark Spence: But did you know that there was an Olympic game where you'd run a race and the winner was not the one who was given the medal.
• 1:16
  Mark Spence: It was the one who finished with his torch still lit, wow.
• 1:21
  Mark Spence: So you had to run your race with a torch, and the one who had his torch still lit was the winner, so you got to run slow.
• 1:29
  Ray Comfort: What's the spiritual?
• 1:30
  Mark Spence: analogy.
• 1:30
  Mark Spence: Here's how Ray works.
• 1:31
  Mark Spence: Ray, what is the spiritual?
• 1:32
  Ray Comfort: analogy.
• 1:33
  Ray Comfort: You keep your light shining.
• 1:34
  Ray Comfort: Don't let no man take your crown.
• 1:37
  Ray Comfort: Hold fast to that which you've got.
• 1:38
  Ray Comfort: Let their light continue to shine, so you don't want to cross the finish line without the light of the gospel sport.
• 2:00
  Mark Spence: It's not the thing.
• 2:01
  Mark Spence: We ended up going rock.
• 2:02
  Emeal Zwayne: What is it about that song that just makes me want to run the Chariots of Fire?
• 2:06
  Emeal Zwayne: It makes you want to run in slow motion.
• 2:09
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, chariots of fire.
• 2:10
  Emeal Zwayne: That's one of those songs that just like never gets dated or old or I guess I have lyrics, or is it just the?
• 2:17
  Ray Comfort: no, I think it's just something about bananas.
• 2:19
  Ray Comfort: I just what do you say something about bananas?
• 2:23
  Ray Comfort: The way you sung it?
• 2:28
  Emeal Zwayne: I just envisioned Eric Little, you know, running on that movie, chariots of Fire.
• 2:34
  Emeal Zwayne: But, guys, you know, look, olympics come and go and I have no idea when our friends are listening to this Whoever's listening to this could be different times.
• 2:42
  Emeal Zwayne: But yeah, the Olympics.
• 2:46
  Emeal Zwayne: Ray, if you could do the Olympics, which sport would you do?
• 2:50
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, running 400 meters.
• 2:52
  Emeal Zwayne: Surfing 400 meters no not surfing In Tahiti.
• 2:55
  Ray Comfort: You're crazy, not the.
• 2:57
  Ray Comfort: Have you seen that wave?
• 2:58
  Emeal Zwayne: It's insane, it's a killer.
• 3:00
  Oscar Navarro: It's insane.
• 3:00
  Emeal Zwayne: It's weird to me that they're actually Going to Tahiti To do stuff when the Olympics are in Paris.
• 3:05
  Ray Comfort: When you see that wave, it's just when the Olympics are in Paris.
• 3:07
  Ray Comfort: When you see that, wave.
• 3:08
  Oscar Navarro: It's part of the curse.
• 3:08
  Oscar Navarro: And do you know?
• 3:09
  Oscar Navarro: It's only part of the curse.
• 3:10
  Oscar Navarro: What's?
• 3:11
  Emeal Zwayne: wrong with the wave Ray?
• 3:12
  Ray Comfort: It's about four foot deep into coral and it's about 50 feet high and it comes down and kills you.
• 3:16
  Ray Comfort: Super powerful.
• 3:17
  Emeal Zwayne: Are you serious?
• 3:18
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, it's scary.
• 3:19
  Emeal Zwayne: Wait, did we go there when we were in Tahiti to that area?
• 3:22
  Oscar Navarro: No, we were near it, but we go to that specific beach yeah.
• 3:25
  Mark Spence: Do you know?
• 3:26
  Mark Spence: Ray thought the high jump was the limbo.
• 3:28
  Mark Spence: I could go low, I just need to walk normal.
• 3:32
  Ray Comfort: I actually hated the high jump.
• 3:33
  Ray Comfort: I was good at long jump, but not high jump, not the short jump, right, no, no they call it the short hop.
• 3:39
  Ray Comfort: I was good with the hurdle and I'd just go under them.
• 3:44
  Emeal Zwayne: No, I love that.
• 3:45
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, long jump is, yeah, one of my favorites.
• 3:52
  Ray Comfort: I don't know what it is like, just that.
• 3:54
  Ray Comfort: But they do this weird kind of that's to get the bounce.
• 3:55
  Mark Spence: Yeah, but it's crazy and but to me, what?
• 3:56
  Emeal Zwayne: what blows my mind is how close they get to the line, because you think about it right, they're fighting for like millimeters do they?
• 4:03
  Ray Comfort: do they inspect their shoes to make sure there's no springs in them?
• 4:06
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm sure they do.
• 4:07
  Emeal Zwayne: Can you imagine boing, boing, boing, uh, but no, I mean.
• 4:11
  Emeal Zwayne: But the thing is, they get so close to the line but if you cross it, you're, that's it, it's qualified.
• 4:16
  Emeal Zwayne: So it's like they, you know they practice that again and again.
• 4:18
  Emeal Zwayne: They execute you, you're not even disqualified.
• 4:21
  Emeal Zwayne: You guys have a favorite.
• 4:24
  Emeal Zwayne: Uh.
• 4:24
  Emeal Zwayne: So, ray running mark, if you could compete in anything in the o, what would it be?
• 4:28
  Emeal Zwayne: The high hurdles, you serious, yeah, really.
• 4:31
  Emeal Zwayne: They have high versus low hurdles, yeah, oh.
• 4:35
  Mark Spence: Yeah, so the high hurdles are it's just a straight 110 meters, and then the intermediate hurdles are 440 meters all the way around.
• 4:44
  Emeal Zwayne: And they're lower, lower intermediate and high.
• 4:48
  Ray Comfort: So all the runners for those things, tall people or not, because you can't just be tall.
• 4:51
  Emeal Zwayne: You've got to be fast.
• 4:51
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, you have to be for the high ones, I would imagine.
• 4:53
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah.
• 4:55
  Ray Comfort: Do you like the pole vault?
• 4:55
  Ray Comfort: I'd stick it through my stomach, oh God.
• 4:58
  Oscar Navarro: You would go flying in the other direction.
• 5:00
  Oscar Navarro: I would love to see Ray You'd end up on the pole on top, not able to get down.
• 5:11
  Emeal Zwayne: That would be crazy.
• 5:12
  Emeal Zwayne: What would you?
• 5:12
  Mark Spence: compete in Women's gymnastics.
• 5:16
  Emeal Zwayne: Mark, how did you know Get?
• 5:17
  Ray Comfort: away with it fluttering the eyelids.
• 5:19
  Emeal Zwayne: I love the discus.
• 5:21
  Emeal Zwayne: I just love how they spin.
• 5:24
  Emeal Zwayne: They do the spin, probably something like that.
• 5:27
  Emeal Zwayne: Or the spear, the javelin.
• 5:30
  Ray Comfort: Oh, this is so Arab yeah.
• 5:33
  Oscar Navarro: All things that kill people.
• 5:35
  Oscar Navarro: Throwing and killing.
• 5:37
  Oscar Navarro: Throwing rocks, the one where they explode things yeah.
• 5:41
  Emeal Zwayne: Are you guys gaslighting me?
• 5:42
  Emeal Zwayne: We were just talking about that.
• 5:44
  Emeal Zwayne: Seriously, I hear that word all the time.
• 5:46
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm hearing it this morning on the way in.
• 5:52
  Ray Comfort: I was listening to something.
• 5:53
  Ray Comfort: What you're talking about the origins of it yeah, it was.
• 5:54
  Ray Comfort: It's a play and it became a movie and it was about a guy who tried to drive his wife insane by saying things to her that didn't make sense what he would do called gaslighting yeah oh, it's from the 1930s, 40s, I think well, what?
• 6:03
  Oscar Navarro: what he would do is he would.
• 6:04
  Oscar Navarro: There was a back back then.
• 6:05
  Oscar Navarro: The way they lit a room up is with gas-lit lanterns, and so he would slowly turn down the lighting on the lantern and she'd say, hey, it's getting darker in here, and he'd say, no, it's not.
• 6:15
  Oscar Navarro: That's where gas lighting came from.
• 6:17
  Ray Comfort: That sounds dark man, it was a dark movie.
• 6:19
  Emeal Zwayne: But gas lighting it's kind of like turning it on someone, it's like speaking a narrative that's not true, but slowly changing aspects that make them feel like they're going crazy.
• 6:34
  Oscar Navarro: Democrating.
• 6:35
  Emeal Zwayne: Democrating.
• 6:37
  Emeal Zwayne: Speaking of that, guys, is it just me?
• 6:41
  Emeal Zwayne: It's just me, it's always just you.
• 6:44
  Emeal Zwayne: Seriously, is there like an agenda for politicians to start cussing now?
• 6:49
  Ray Comfort: Oh, yes, I'm hearing the S-H word all the time.
• 6:54
  Ray Comfort: Now which word?
• 6:55
  Ray Comfort: I've got a video coming out on that subject.
• 6:57
  Ray Comfort: Are you serious?
• 6:58
  Ray Comfort: Yes, donald Trump keeps reminding the world about hell.
• 7:03
  Ray Comfort: That is his favorite word and it's getting right throughout the whole.
• 7:07
  Ray Comfort: All the commentators are using this.
• 7:09
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, guys that normally were conservative, wouldn't use it.
• 7:11
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, no, no, but now that the sh word I just heard a governor of a state in a big political suite.
• 7:17
  Emeal Zwayne: He just dropped the s there's no shame it's wow, it's changing.
• 7:21
  Ray Comfort: I blame you guys it's the uh frog in the microwave no more, no more boiling pot right it's the oreo and the glass of milk let's keep going.
• 7:33
  Emeal Zwayne: It's the can't think of it.
• 7:36
  Ray Comfort: It's the dog on the hamburger.
• 7:37
  Emeal Zwayne: It's the meatball in the spaghetti oh boy, all right friends, no cussing on this program time for a cool, classy comment.
• 7:47
  Emeal Zwayne: By the way, before that, a shout out to Dan and Vicky Sebring.
• 7:54
  Emeal Zwayne: These guys are super podcast mega fans.
• 7:58
  Emeal Zwayne: We appreciate you guys.
• 8:00
  Emeal Zwayne: So thanks for listening and supporting the ministry in the way you do.
• 8:03
  Ray Comfort: Ray.
• 8:03
  Emeal Zwayne: Comfey, I got kicked out of Golden Corral, you did not.
• 8:06
  Emeal Zwayne: I did too Wait for ordering 10,000 steaks.
• 8:09
  Emeal Zwayne: I bet no, don't be silly.
• 8:10
  Ray Comfort: No, I went on the carnivore diet for five weeks and I lost my little pot belly, which is great, and I thought I actually mix vegetables with the steaks now so I've tempered out a little bit.
• 8:24
  Ray Comfort: But I figured that Golden Corral have sirloin steaks on special.
• 8:28
  Ray Comfort: You can go in there and you can order them with your meal.
• 8:30
  Ray Comfort: So I went and ordered 10.
• 8:31
  Ray Comfort: And they're only $2.50 each.
• 8:33
  Ray Comfort: Well, that was $30 for 10 steaks.
• 8:35
  Ray Comfort: That's what you pay in a restaurant for one sirloin steak.
• 8:39
  Ray Comfort: So next week I went back and ordered 20.
• 8:40
  Ray Comfort: Just got up to the chef who's cooking them and I said I have 20.
• 8:43
  Ray Comfort: He goes what?
• 8:44
  Ray Comfort: And then I told Scotty about him.
• 8:52
  Ray Comfort: Scotty went into the local golden crow, he ordered 10.
• 8:53
  Ray Comfort: And then I went back on last Sunday and said to the chef, who was just standing there with his eyes kind of wide as I went up to him, I'll take 50.
• 8:58
  Ray Comfort: I said 30.
• 8:58
  Ray Comfort: And next thing the manager.
• 9:00
  Ray Comfort: The manager was right on me, I must be the steak guy Were you putting him in your pocket.
• 9:06
  Ray Comfort: No, they put him in a box and you go and weigh it.
• 9:09
  Ray Comfort: It's to go, but they're not used to people Because I think they use the stakes as a draw card for people.
• 9:15
  Ray Comfort: Come in and they let you buy them.
• 9:17
  Ray Comfort: What's the problem?
• 9:18
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, well they didn't let me buy 30.
• 9:20
  Ray Comfort: They said, no, you can't do this anymore.
• 9:23
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, great yeah.
• 9:24
  Emeal Zwayne: I was saddened you got to do them in lots of like three.
• 9:26
  Emeal Zwayne: You flew too closer to the sun, yeah, no.
• 9:27
  Ray Comfort: I'm going in with a wig and A big wig, a real big wig, and glasses.
• 9:32
  Emeal Zwayne: So wait, they didn't let you get any.
• 9:34
  Ray Comfort: No, that was all over.
• 9:35
  Ray Comfort: You're kidding yeah.
• 9:37
  Emeal Zwayne: Were they treating you like you were doing something nefarious?
• 9:38
  Emeal Zwayne: No, the lady was very very how he hooked us right With that tabloid headline.
• 9:51
  Emeal Zwayne: They kicked me out of the Golden Corral?
• 9:54
  Oscar Navarro: No, they didn't.
• 9:54
  Oscar Navarro: He's a walking YouTube video.
• 9:56
  Oscar Navarro: What happened next?
• 9:58
  Oscar Navarro: Why, oh man?
• 10:01
  Emeal Zwayne: It's become a part of your DNA.
• 10:02
  Ray Comfort: Sounds like a good video.
• 10:04
  Ray Comfort: They kicked me out of Golden Corral.
• 10:07
  Ray Comfort: No here it comes.
• 10:08
  Ray Comfort: This is why.
• 10:10
  Emeal Zwayne: All right friends After the shout out time for that cool, classy comment.
• 10:14
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• 10:17
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• 10:23
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• 10:26
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• 10:30
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• 10:38
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• 10:52
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• 10:55
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• 11:02
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• 11:03
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• 11:06
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• 11:08
  Emeal Zwayne: What is haggis, ray?
• 11:10
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• 11:12
  Ray Comfort: It's some sort of food.
• 11:14
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• 11:16
  Ray Comfort: I think it might be sheep's stomach.
• 11:18
  Oscar Navarro: Tripe.
• 11:19
  Ray Comfort: Yeah.
• 11:19
  Oscar Navarro: Tripas.
• 11:20
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, that is, that's stomach, oh yeah.
• 11:24
  Emeal Zwayne: That's tripe is sheep's stomach.
• 11:25
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, debbie, send Ray some haggis please.
• 11:27
  Ray Comfort: He would appreciate that it doesn't sound good, does it?
• 11:30
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• 11:33
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• 11:36
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• 11:42
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• 11:50
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• 11:55
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• 11:56
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• 11:57
  Mark Spence: really is.
• 11:58
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• 11:58
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• 11:59
  Oscar Navarro: Just the highlighted part.
• 12:00
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• 12:01
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• 12:02
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• 12:03
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• 12:04
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• 12:10
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• 12:12
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• 12:14
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• 12:15
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• 12:18
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• 12:19
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• 12:20
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• 12:21
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• 13:18
  Emeal Zwayne: All right friends, today we are talking about how God was blasphemed at the Paris Olympics.
• 13:29
  Emeal Zwayne: We started off by talking about the Olympics.
• 13:30
  Emeal Zwayne: We are going to continue that and believe it or not.
• 13:32
  Emeal Zwayne: The amazing thing is that while that happened, the three of us were in Paris.
• 13:39
  Emeal Zwayne: Sure, were you in Paris, ray.
• 13:41
  Emeal Zwayne: In spirit.
• 13:42
  Emeal Zwayne: In spirit, not in truth.
• 13:44
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm sick of traveling.
• 13:45
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, ray doesn't travel anymore, but he sent us to paris and, uh boy, was that an unexpected turn of events, guys, I've been watching the olympics since I was a wee little guy.
• 13:57
  Emeal Zwayne: Yes, ray, what do you mean?
• 14:00
  Emeal Zwayne: yes, you were doing something like you're about to say something no, no, I just got a text from someone important.
• 14:05
  Ray Comfort: See, I knew something was going on your nostrils were flaring if you looked your phone, you would see it too and go whoa, oh would I.
• 14:11
  Oscar Navarro: Oh Sorry, listener, let's just pause for a personal experience Never mind.
• 14:16
  Emeal Zwayne: Personal experience.
• 14:17
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, so I've been watching the Olympics since I was a wee little guy, when I no longer had one channel, when we were in Lebanon.
• 14:24
  Emeal Zwayne: But we came here and had the Olympics.
• 14:33
  Emeal Zwayne: I have I could not even fathom what we saw in that opening ceremony.
• 14:35
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean, and I think the thing that blows my mind is how so unmoved so many people seem to be.
• 14:44
  Mark Spence: Yeah, that's exactly right.
• 14:45
  Mark Spence: On my flight home, the flight attendant and I we engaged in a conversation and what she brought up was wasn't the opening ceremony?
• 14:53
  Mark Spence: Absolutely amazing.
• 14:54
  Mark Spence: She said that yeah, I couldn't believe it.
• 14:56
  Mark Spence: You're all funny.
• 14:57
  Mark Spence: You say that that was like her draw.
• 14:58
  Mark Spence: And then she was asking my son if I was in a solid relationship with my wife.
• 15:03
  Mark Spence: Huh, yeah, she was flirting with me.
• 15:06
  Ray Comfort: Did she have a?
• 15:06
  Mark Spence: bank.
• 15:07
  Emeal Zwayne: At that point it made me.
• 15:08
  Ray Comfort: Did she have a cane At that point?
• 15:09
  Emeal Zwayne: it made sense.
• 15:09
  Emeal Zwayne: Did she have a?
• 15:10
  Ray Comfort: cane.
• 15:10
  Ray Comfort: She was blind, Blind and deaf.
• 15:12
  Ray Comfort: I didn't know they let blind flight attendants Blind, deaf and desperate.
• 15:15
  Mark Spence: What did the opening ceremonies where they're mocking the Last Supper?
• 15:19
  Mark Spence: What did that have to do with the Olympics?
• 15:20
  Mark Spence: I'm so confused.
• 15:21
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I think you and a lot of other sensible and reasonable people are asking the same thing, so let's kind of build up to that, guys.
• 15:32
  Emeal Zwayne: I think it's good to give some context of what was going on, why we were in Paris and talk about some of the good stuff that happened too.
• 15:40
  Emeal Zwayne: So, ray, where did this all come from?
• 15:42
  Emeal Zwayne: Go to Paris, guys.
• 15:43
  Emeal Zwayne: It came from London.
• 15:45
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, talk about London.
• 15:45
  Ray Comfort: You and I were watching the guys in London and saying how wonderful it was and we just got to do this again.
• 15:50
  Ray Comfort: And then someone mumbled something about the Olympics coming up in Paris and there it was.
• 15:54
  Ray Comfort: What a wonderful opportunity.
• 15:55
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, you go into all the world, preach the gospel to every creature, and it's great when the whole world goes to one city.
• 16:00
  Ray Comfort: It means you don't have to go into the whole world, they come to you.
• 16:03
  Ray Comfort: We did.
• 16:04
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, that's one of the things we were talking about is the uniqueness of that opportunity.
• 16:09
  Emeal Zwayne: You know, we're called to go into all the world and the whole world was brought to one place and we did it.
• 16:16
  Emeal Zwayne: So London was like you said, Ray, we were watching the guys.
• 16:19
  Emeal Zwayne: You and I were in the studio here, Wasn't?
• 16:21
  Emeal Zwayne: It like three in the morning or something.
• 16:22
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, you'd gone to sleep at about 11.
• 16:24
  Ray Comfort: Yeah.
• 16:25
  Emeal Zwayne: I was losing it, but it was cool because we did this kind of live thing, it was great.
• 16:29
  Oscar Navarro: Well it wasn't just us that went to Paris.
• 16:31
  Oscar Navarro: We put a call out there and, like this, it's not three of us going with the incredible team that we brought, but it seems to be so many people from all over the world answer that call join us.
• 16:49
  Oscar Navarro: Some of them go to the conference.
• 16:51
  Oscar Navarro: We host a one-day conference and the rest of them go and they hand out the tracks.
• 16:54
  Ray Comfort: I think we had over 2 million tracks printed just for Paris, for Paris.
• 16:57
  Ray Comfort: But then there was the Euro paris also that was printed, and the australian olympics thing, because 300 sorry, 3 000 million apparently watched the olympics.
• 17:07
  Ray Comfort: Maybe not now, after what happened yeah but that's uh 3 000 million yeah yeah, and and what a joy it was to to be there.
• 17:17
  Emeal Zwayne: You know, like you said, oscar, we did a conference and we had a great group of people that showed up and, again, once more blown away by the feedback we've gotten.
• 17:29
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean, there was a couple there that basically said our entire lives have been transformed through Living Waters.
• 17:34
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, their marriage yeah, yeah, and to hear that sort of feedback from people.
• 17:40
  Emeal Zwayne: But then, you know, it's one thing when someone says my life has been changed.
• 17:45
  Emeal Zwayne: It's another thing to say, okay, my life has been changed, I've been saved, I'm now going out and preaching the gospel, you know, and we touch on a lot of different topics in the podcast, but I have to keep reminding our friends who listen our heartbeat as a ministry is to get you engaged in the Great Commission.
• 18:01
  Emeal Zwayne: And again, I've been reading some of the comments we've been getting lately and I've been seeing more and more of that of people saying I've been activated, I have a zeal now to reach the lost.
• 18:11
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, let me just add it's so amazing to me when we do London and we had standing room only 300 plus people there for that one day conference when we do things like Paris, even when we do things like the Ambassadors Academy, to me the thing that stands out more than anything else is not the preaching or the teaching, it's the fellowship, and I often say, going to one of those things that we host feels like a pilgrimage, Feels like people travel to have this experience, to meet other like-minded Christians, and the edification that comes from being in a room full of a few hundred people that are like-minded as it pertains to proclaiming the gospel.
• 18:52
  Oscar Navarro: It's so encouraging.
• 18:54
  Oscar Navarro: It reminds you you're not alone, that God is at work all throughout the world, and it encourages you to press on Amen yeah.
• 19:02
  Mark Spence: Mark, it shoots just a vial of adrenaline inside your veins.
• 19:07
  Mark Spence: It wasn't just happening at the Olympics.
• 19:11
  Mark Spence: As they were leaving, I received this Instagram message from Lindsay Whitfield.
• 19:15
  Mark Spence: She said, brother, I prayed for open doors and these lovely ladies, referring to these ticket agents at her gate at the airport, agreed to offer all of these Living Water Olympics souvenir gospel tracks.
• 19:26
  Mark Spence: That's the millions, the millions to our entire flight.
• 19:30
  Mark Spence: Praise his name.
• 19:31
  Mark Spence: I also got to share the gospel with them and she included a picture of being able to put the gospel tracks on the table where you communicate between you and the ticket agent.
• 19:40
  Mark Spence: She says, yeah, lay them all out there and be able to get them.
• 19:43
  Ray Comfort: Amazing.
• 19:44
  Ray Comfort: That is so cool.
• 19:44
  Ray Comfort: I'm glad you mentioned that picture because I was blown away when I saw it.
• 19:48
  Emeal Zwayne: Just so great well it brought back to my mind.
• 19:51
  Emeal Zwayne: You know the experience I had at the airport that I've shared before with the police officer that had our tracks on the actual kiosk counter.
• 20:00
  Emeal Zwayne: You know for their stuff.
• 20:01
  Ray Comfort: So we're putting that picture in our update and I hope people who are listening get the update, because that keeps you updated as to what we're doing.
• 20:07
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, how do they get that update?
• 20:08
  Emeal Zwayne: Living Waters newsletter.
• 20:09
  Emeal Zwayne: Just go to our website livingwaterscom and sign up for it.
• 20:13
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, you'll be kept up on these different things.
• 20:15
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean, we've had people before say, oh, I didn't know you guys did this or were doing this.
• 20:19
  Emeal Zwayne: The newsletter is a great way.
• 20:21
  Emeal Zwayne: Where's the next Olympics?
• 20:22
  Emeal Zwayne: Los Angeles, los Angeles.
• 20:25
  Emeal Zwayne: I might go to that one.
• 20:26
  Emeal Zwayne: I hope so.
• 20:28
  Emeal Zwayne: Ray Comfort, that's going to be really cool to have it in town here.
• 20:32
  Oscar Navarro: Since 1984.
• 20:33
  Oscar Navarro: I was going to say it was 84.
• 20:34
  Oscar Navarro: When I was born, yeah.
• 20:36
  Oscar Navarro: I'm an Olympic baby.
• 20:37
  Oscar Navarro: I.
• 20:38
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, I'm an Olympic baby I remember watching that in a pastor's home I was speaking, yeah, and you were being born at that moment.
• 20:43
  Ray Comfort: That's wonderful.
• 20:45
  Emeal Zwayne: In that exact moment.
• 20:46
  Emeal Zwayne: Right Was that the Mary Lou Retton Olympics?
• 20:50
  Emeal Zwayne: I think so.
• 20:50
  Oscar Navarro: It was the Jenner Olympics.
• 20:52
  Oscar Navarro: What Jenner?
• 20:53
  Oscar Navarro: What's his name?
• 20:54
  Oscar Navarro: Bruce Jenner.
• 20:54
  Oscar Navarro: It was the.
• 20:56
  Ray Comfort: Jenner Olympics and it was where that guy came down with that pack where you sort of float around the sky.
• 21:01
  Oscar Navarro: Oh, that's right.
• 21:02
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, they had a back then.
• 21:03
  Oscar Navarro: Yes, at the Rose Bowl.
• 21:05
  Ray Comfort: At the Rose Bowl he came.
• 21:06
  Ray Comfort: Yes, you're right.
• 21:07
  Ray Comfort: Oh, this is the future.
• 21:08
  Ray Comfort: No, it's not.
• 21:08
  Ray Comfort: It hasn't happened.
• 21:10
  Ray Comfort: That's crazy yeah.
• 21:21
  Emeal Zwayne: But you know, one of the things in Paris that really, really blessed me was at the conference.
• 21:23
  Emeal Zwayne: There were two families that were there.
• 21:23
  Emeal Zwayne: They came together and they said they were in London together as well.
• 21:26
  Emeal Zwayne: They got connected through Living Waters and now they're like doing evangelistic things like that together.
• 21:32
  Oscar Navarro: I said wait, are you?
• 21:32
  Emeal Zwayne: guys.
• 21:33
  Emeal Zwayne: They're like yeah, we met, we've connected, now we're witnessing together.
• 21:35
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, it was really really cool.
• 21:37
  Emeal Zwayne: So yeah, so the Olympics, blasphemy, all that Oscar, are you gonna say something else?
• 21:42
  Oscar Navarro: Well, I was gonna point out the French Olympic organizers.
• 21:46
  Oscar Navarro: Before everything even got started, they made it a point to say that unity was gonna be a focal point of the opening ceremony, that it was gonna be about inclusion and diversity and non-discrimination, and yet so far they've done anything but accomplish that thing.
• 21:59
  Oscar Navarro: And diversity and non-discrimination.
• 22:00
  Oscar Navarro: And yet so far they've done anything but accomplish that thing.
• 22:05
  Oscar Navarro: First, the French team banned all Muslim women from wearing a hijab because it was a display of the religious belief, and they believe, they claim to believe in secular neutrality, so you're not allowed to wear, most likely crosses, anything that represents your faith.
• 22:24
  Oscar Navarro: Palestinians, we refuse to shake hands of Israeli competitors.
• 22:29
  Oscar Navarro: And then, of course, we saw the blasphemy, the disrespect, the dishonor at the opening ceremonies with the Last Supper, and it just reminds me anytime mankind has ever tried to make heaven happen on earth, it has failed miserably, since Babylon.
• 22:49
  Oscar Navarro: What was Babylon?
• 22:50
  Oscar Navarro: Babylon was human beings trying to create a utopia, a heaven on earth, a heaven without God, and it did not work.
• 22:59
  Oscar Navarro: It almost destroyed the world.
• 23:01
  Oscar Navarro: And since then, whether it's socialism or communism, whatever you want to call it, every time we want to create non-discriminatory utopia, heaven on earth without God, we ruin it.
• 23:16
  Oscar Navarro: And the beauty, of course, of the gospel is, ultimately, the desire is good, the desire for a world in which there is actually not discrimination, where there is no such thing as hatred and violence and racism and classism.
• 23:32
  Oscar Navarro: That is a beautiful desire, something written on all of our hearts.
• 23:37
  Oscar Navarro: It is a cry for heaven, but the reality is that we will never have heaven without God.
• 23:43
  Oscar Navarro: That is the work of God, and the beauty is we don't have to turn the Olympics for that.
• 23:48
  Oscar Navarro: We turn to what God is doing in the local church.
• 23:51
  Oscar Navarro: We turn to the gospel and the promise that heaven will come down to earth as it is in heaven.
• 23:57
  Ray Comfort: Heaven without God is the ultimate oxymoron.
• 24:00
  Emeal Zwayne: Amen, you're absolutely right, yeah, so true, yeah, oscar, you make some really good points there, and we've talked about this a number of times, but ultimately, that's what people are trying to do when they remove God from the equation.
• 24:16
  Emeal Zwayne: They're trying to create their own humanistic utopia that, in a sense, is crafting themselves into God, like you're always going to have an ultimate authority, and if the ultimate authority is not God, if the ultimate authority is not God's word, it's going to be man, and then it becomes a mechanism for worship, in a sense, because you are then pledging the fullness of your allegiance to man, or to that organization of man, or that platform that man directed, whatever it is.
• 24:50
  Emeal Zwayne: That's what ends up happening.
• 24:51
  Emeal Zwayne: So, ray, we were there and you were here.
• 24:55
  Ray Comfort: Interceding for you guys?
• 24:56
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, interceding, it would have been dead without my intercession yes of course, of course, and you you know we were kind of experiencing the sort of atmosphere there after that opening ceremony, what was going on.
• 25:09
  Emeal Zwayne: We'll get into the details of what we did and what God miraculously did through it, but what came to your mind as you saw this I thought, be not deceived.
• 25:17
  Ray Comfort: God is not mocked.
• 25:18
  Ray Comfort: Whatever man sows, that will also reap.
• 25:20
  Ray Comfort: It's like man thinking how terrific he is because he's shaking his fist at the sun because it's too hot for him.
• 25:27
  Ray Comfort: But it's not.
• 25:28
  Ray Comfort: Nothing's going to happen, except he's going to incur the wrath of God.
• 25:33
  Ray Comfort: And that's what happens when men blaspheme God, when they mock God.
• 25:36
  Ray Comfort: God is not mocked, he doesn't change.
• 25:39
  Ray Comfort: Whatever man sows that will, he also reap.
• 25:41
  Ray Comfort: So God's wrath will come upon them on the day of judgment.
• 25:44
  Ray Comfort: I hope they come to Christ.
• 25:45
  Ray Comfort: But what offended me wasn't just the blasphemy.
• 25:48
  Ray Comfort: It was the fact that these people, despite the oath of the International Olympic Committee which says let me give you the oath, I will act independently of commercial and political interests.
• 25:59
  Ray Comfort: That's the oath they said.
• 26:02
  Ray Comfort: And here they inject a homosexual idealism right in the middle of the Olympics.
• 26:09
  Ray Comfort: What's that got to do?
• 26:10
  Ray Comfort: Try a little picture of Donald Trump just going past Something that pushes some political ideology.
• 26:17
  Ray Comfort: It's just not going to get through.
• 26:19
  Ray Comfort: They would have looked at everything with a fine-toothed comb because the whole world's watching.
• 26:24
  Ray Comfort: And so my thought was why didn't someone from the 105-member International Olympic Committee say something?
• 26:33
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah right.
• 26:33
  Ray Comfort: And I know why.
• 26:34
  Ray Comfort: If they had, in private, spoken up and said we can't do this, that would have been leaked to the leftist media.
• 26:42
  Ray Comfort: And suddenly, you don't bake a cake for homosexuals.
• 26:45
  Ray Comfort: They'll destroy you.
• 26:46
  Ray Comfort: They'll destroy your business.
• 26:47
  Ray Comfort: So you speak up like this and they're gonna ban you, they're gonna blacklist you, gaslight, you gonna protest outside your home, you're gonna be kicked out of the Olympic Committee because you spoke up against this issue that's so volatile.
• 27:01
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, mark, wouldn't you say that that is a part of it, this atmosphere of fear that's been created because the repercussions are, they're real, you know, and we were starting to see people walk it back, like it was clear, there was someone that said that this, even one of the performers in there, there was that guy with the beard, the drag queen with the beard.
• 27:22
  Emeal Zwayne: He was interviewed and, like, made it clear it was in relation to the Last Supper, and one of the producers too, yeah, and someone from the committee.
• 27:32
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean, they were admitting and then suddenly it was like no, no, no, it wasn't that.
• 27:35
  Emeal Zwayne: It was, you know, the feast of the gods or whatever.
• 27:39
  Mark Spence: Yeah, who was it that said if you fear God, you don't need to fear man?
• 27:41
  Mark Spence: You did just there, just now.
• 27:44
  Emeal Zwayne: I just said it.
• 27:44
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, it was me.
• 27:45
  Mark Spence: Max said it.
• 27:45
  Mark Spence: I'm the one that said it, quoting somebody, but it's so right.
• 27:49
  Mark Spence: I think that we have such a fear of man because we have such a lack of a fear of God.
• 27:53
  Mark Spence: If you know what your marching orders are directly from the Lord, then it doesn't matter.
• 28:00
  Mark Spence: I mean, you can't get canceled as a Christian.
• 28:03
  Mark Spence: You're going to run your race with endurance, not caring what happens.
• 28:07
  Mark Spence: I read an interesting quote from a game that is no longer obviously part of the Olympic Games.
• 28:14
  Mark Spence: But did you know that there was an Olympic game where you'd run a race and the winner was not the one who was given the medal, it was the one who finished with his torch still lit?
• 28:25
  Mark Spence: Wow, so you had to run your race with a torch and the one who had his torch still lit so you gotta run slow so you everybody, what's?
• 28:34
  Ray Comfort: the spiritual analogy.
• 28:35
  Mark Spence: Here's how ray works.
• 28:36
  Mark Spence: Right ray what is the spiritual?
• 28:37
  Ray Comfort: analogy.
• 28:38
  Ray Comfort: Keep your light shining.
• 28:39
  Ray Comfort: Don't don't let no man take your crown.
• 28:41
  Ray Comfort: Hold fast to that which you've got.
• 28:43
  Ray Comfort: Let their light continue to shine, so you don't want to cross the finish line without the light of the gospel.
• 28:48
  Ray Comfort: Stay on fire, for the Lord.
• 28:50
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, that's what I would do if I was running with a torch.
• 28:55
  Emeal Zwayne: You'd light the whole stadium.
• 28:56
  Ray Comfort: Look at that man, as he has caught fire.
• 29:01
  Mark Spence: Yeah, They'd be like what do we?
• 29:02
  Emeal Zwayne: do.
• 29:03
  Emeal Zwayne: The torch is out, but he's on fire.
• 29:04
  Emeal Zwayne: He's the same size as the torch, though.
• 29:05
  Emeal Zwayne: Run with him.
• 29:05
  Emeal Zwayne: But, Mark, it wasn't.
• 29:08
  Emeal Zwayne: Like you know, I remember we were out on the streets there in Paris talking to people about this.
• 29:13
  Emeal Zwayne: We'll get into that, but I realized afterwards that, like I didn't give details to people on the streets which which I wish I would have in retrospect uh, but you know, when you think about it, um, it wasn't just.
• 29:27
  Emeal Zwayne: It's like you have people, because the notion is you guys are saying lgbtq people were in this.
• 29:34
  Emeal Zwayne: How dare you be?
• 29:35
  Emeal Zwayne: You know bigots like that.
• 29:36
  Mark Spence: It's what they were doing yeah, and Oscar brings us out inside of our YouTube clip which has more than 2 million views on it.
• 29:44
  Mark Spence: Absolutely amazing.
• 29:45
  Mark Spence: Maybe Oscar do a better job at this, as you brought out the comparison that if we were to mock the LGBTQ community, you know we get in trouble.
• 29:53
  Oscar Navarro: Right, yeah, that's exactly right.
• 29:55
  Oscar Navarro: I mean, can you imagine?
• 29:56
  Oscar Navarro: I said to somebody you know, can you imagine if there was news of a church that put on some sort of display that was clearly a mockery of the LGBTQ community, how would everyone respond?
• 30:06
  Oscar Navarro: You'd be watching that on TV and they'd be like but this isn't right, like this is hatred, this is discriminatory, it's intolerant, et cetera, et cetera.
• 30:14
  Oscar Navarro: And yet we put on display the last supper, and it wasn't just drag Queens, it wasn't just um, et cetera, et cetera.
• 30:22
  Oscar Navarro: There were children, there was a child in the middle of that.
• 30:24
  Oscar Navarro: You know, um.
• 30:25
  Oscar Navarro: And so you, you put it on display and all of a sudden it's like, oh yeah, that's a beautiful piece of art, that's great, that's amazing.
• 30:32
  Oscar Navarro: They did such a great job.
• 30:33
  Oscar Navarro: You know the double standard that's out there, and it reminds me of an experience that I had in Washington.
• 30:44
  Oscar Navarro: I think I've told you guys this before.
• 30:45
  Oscar Navarro: It was on a trip for Living Waters.
• 30:47
  Oscar Navarro: I was at this coffee shop in Seattle, washington, and it just so happened that this coffee shop was hosting like a music and art festival and I had a few hours to kill between different meetings, and so I was sitting there getting some work done, having some coffee and and, uh, there's this like show going on and there was a pretty eclectic group of people there and at one point, a young woman, uh, shaved head, you know, ear piercings and tattoos, and uh, an elegant dress gets up and she welcomes everybody and then she says something effective like you know, I want to point out that this is a place of inclusion, that everybody is welcome here, and there's some cheering and then she goes and so if you, if you have any hate filled, bigoted, backwater views, you can get up and leave.
• 31:36
  Oscar Navarro: And then she says you can get your expletive out of your seat and leave, and everyone roared and cheered, you know, and it and I'm sitting there, you know, working on like a sermon or something and it begs the question what is tolerance and can we get it wrong?
• 31:55
  Oscar Navarro: And I think, just to answer that question that I'd be here from you guys.
• 31:58
  Oscar Navarro: Tolerance, first and foremost, is actually a gift from God to us, given to our culture through Christianity, and just like everything else, just like sex, just like money, we can take a good gift from the giver, and when we detach the giver from the gift, it becomes distorted, we abuse it, and so you think about tolerance like a biblical view of tolerance is this it's that truth is desirable, attainable and absolute.
• 32:31
  Oscar Navarro: And in the marketplace of ideas we step in and we are like miners sifting for gold.
• 32:40
  Oscar Navarro: And in that view of truth we can say you know what?
• 32:43
  Oscar Navarro: I may disagree with you, I may think that your ideas are stupid, but even if so, I still respect you as a person.
• 32:53
  Oscar Navarro: This view of tolerance has everything to do with the image bearing quality that we have.
• 32:58
  Oscar Navarro: That's a Christian view of tolerance.
• 33:00
  Oscar Navarro: A post-Christian view of tolerance is this truth is subjective and therefore individualistic, and in that framework, truth is not an absolute to attain, but rather it's something the masses win over through suppression, because truth is ultimately about power and submission my truth over your truth.
• 33:28
  Oscar Navarro: And the only way my truth wins is if you submit to my power.
• 33:31
  Oscar Navarro: Right, and in that framework, suddenly we can use words like tolerance to put on display intolerance, and that's exactly what we saw at the Olympics.
• 33:42
  Emeal Zwayne: Absolutely yeah.
• 33:44
  Emeal Zwayne: I think what's happened is the word tolerance has been infused with the meaning of acceptance, because it's not like okay, tolerance.
• 33:56
  Emeal Zwayne: Obviously it's connected to the word tolerate right, which means I'm not showing violence towards you, I'm not acting hatefully towards you, I'm not tearing you down with expletives and demeaning vocabulary or rhetoric, but now it's shifted to no, you must accept me and accept what I'm doing.
• 34:20
  Emeal Zwayne: And the thing with the LGBTQ community is it's not who you are Like.
• 34:24
  Emeal Zwayne: This is my ethnicity, this is my physical appearance, this is my height, this is me adopting certain practices that have, for millennia, been understood by the public as being immoral.
• 34:40
  Emeal Zwayne: And now you have to.
• 34:41
  Emeal Zwayne: You have to not just accept, but celebrate right, mark.
• 34:45
  Emeal Zwayne: Don't you think it's coming to the place where now you must celebrate me?
• 34:48
  Mark Spence: yes, in fact, I got into an online debate just this morning with this very subject.
• 34:53
  Mark Spence: It wasn't with the person, I was with chad gpt, but I wanted to teach ch GPT a lesson and there's no doing yourself.
• 35:02
  Mark Spence: Maybe I try to teach it the very thing that Oscar and you are talking about here easy, and there's just no learning.
• 35:11
  Mark Spence: And I asked the question why is it that the LGBTQ plus community can mock Christianity but Christianity cannot?
• 35:18
  Mark Spence: It doesn't desire to, but cannot mock the LGBTQ community?
• 35:21
  Mark Spence: And the response was well, because the LGBTQ community has been marginalized for so long.
• 35:26
  Mark Spence: I'm like that is your answer.
• 35:29
  Mark Spence: It was quite silly, but we were going back and forth and Chet Chippety won, just because I was exhausted of going back and forth and I thought I had better.
• 35:37
  Emeal Zwayne: Wow, Mark was arguing with a non-living entity.
• 35:39
  Emeal Zwayne: I thought I could teach it something by being reasonable.
• 35:42
  Mark Spence: But there's just.
• 35:44
  Mark Spence: I kept saying hogwash, nope, doesn't work.
• 35:46
  Mark Spence: Over and over again and I said I understand your frustration.
• 35:49
  Mark Spence: And I said I'm not frustrated just because I have a different view than what you've been pre-programmed to say.
• 35:55
  Emeal Zwayne: Isn't it crazy that, like, in a sense, nothing in this world is neutral?
• 35:58
  Emeal Zwayne: Like, in a sense, nothing in this world is neutral.
• 36:01
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean not even a non-sentient like artificial intelligence.
• 36:04
  Emeal Zwayne: It was obviously programmed by someone and it has a worldview.
• 36:10
  Oscar Navarro: Mark, I really hope you guys can work it out.
• 36:12
  Mark Spence: We're getting coffee later.
• 36:14
  Emeal Zwayne: We need a reconciliation intervention with Mark and ChatGPT.
• 36:18
  Emeal Zwayne: All right, guys.
• 36:19
  Emeal Zwayne: So let's get to the video, okay, Because this became the highlight of the trip in a sense.
• 36:26
  Emeal Zwayne: So we saw what was going on and, Mark, take us from there, because your boys were heavily involved in this.
• 36:36
  Mark Spence: Absolutely yeah.
• 36:36
  Mark Spence: Originally, Nathaniel had reached out to Ray about producing a video on the subject and Nathaniel goes we could do this from here.
• 36:44
  Mark Spence: So my son, Ethan, was there as well, and then they had the idea let's produce this.
• 36:49
  Mark Spence: And then the three of us, we went off into our own little worlds and sections to talk about this very subject.
• 36:55
  Mark Spence: So we shot the video, we did commentary on the video, we edited the video all in one day and then it was like up until three o'clock in the morning we kept talking about wow, these views are getting out of hand, they're getting crazy, and there's lots of people that started giving comments.
• 37:11
  Mark Spence: And then you saw that there was a sponsor that pulled out from the Olympics because of this opening ceremony.
• 37:17
  Mark Spence: I would not be surprised if that was in direct relation to our video, the YouTube video, which more than 2 million views.
• 37:24
  Mark Spence: It's crazy, yeah.
• 37:26
  Ray Comfort: I mean 2.6 million.
• 37:27
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, 2.6 million and growing.
• 37:28
  Emeal Zwayne: And I mean it became within a few days our like number eight top video of all time.
• 37:36
  Emeal Zwayne: And we have what?
• 37:37
  Emeal Zwayne: 2,800 videos on our YouTube channel, and so I think it was within 18 hours we had crossed into like 1.3 million views or something.
• 37:45
  Emeal Zwayne: Guys, isn't that fun.
• 37:48
  Emeal Zwayne: It's so fun.
• 37:49
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean seriously, I could not stop going back over and over again.
• 37:53
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm thinking, look, this is translating into souls being impacted by the gospel, because it's packed with the gospel, and what I love about it is that it was on a whim, it wasn't pre-planned.
• 38:07
  Ray Comfort: And, ray, I mean you've had videos like that right In the past where you've just thought the idea up you put it up and one, two, three, four million views and it's always a shock when that happens, because you plan something, spend days or even weeks getting it and it flops.
• 38:20
  Ray Comfort: You do one in a couple of hours and it takes off and you just think this is great.
• 38:30
  Oscar Navarro: One of the highlights to me in the video is we had a five-minute huddle in the morning where it was like all right, you're going to go here and talk, you're going to go there and talk and I'll go get some men on the street interviews.
• 38:36
  Oscar Navarro: We didn't really hash out what we were going to say.
• 38:39
  Oscar Navarro: You didn't really know how I was going to approach my conversation.
• 38:42
  Ray Comfort: It's kind of like a podcast.
• 38:44
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, exactly.
• 38:46
  Oscar Navarro: I really didn't know what Mark and Easy had planned, if they had anything planned in that moment.
• 38:52
  Oscar Navarro: But by the time Tani and Ethan got out of their hotel room after a few hours of editing it and put it together and I watched it for the first time, it was as if the three of us planned exactly what we were going to say, which to me is just like it speaks to the like-mindedness of us.
• 39:08
  Oscar Navarro: You know, like we, we didn't talk, but everything I said to the person you ended up teaching.
• 39:13
  Oscar Navarro: It's like you guys taught on something and I applied it and that was really just a gift from God to that moment.
• 39:20
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and Oscar, I would love for you to kind of share with us a little bit about your interviews with people.
• 39:27
  Emeal Zwayne: But I want to say first of all, kudos to Tani and Ethan.
• 39:29
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, 100%, I mean, these guys gave up like expensive soccer Olympics.
• 39:36
  Mark Spence: We were going to a soccer game Israel versus Paraguay.
• 39:38
  Oscar Navarro: You know my kids are.
• 39:39
  Mark Spence: Jewish and they weren't able to see it and I was like a little bummed that we weren't able to go there.
• 39:47
  Oscar Navarro: But they were but they, without hesitation, were like let's do this.
• 39:49
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh yeah, it wasn't like when I talked to them, they're like oh no, no, no, we're going to skip the game.
• 39:52
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm like, whoa, that's a big deal hotel room and praise the Lord for modern technology, like I mean, again we're away from our headquarters, I mean.
• 40:02
  Emeal Zwayne: But they had their computers, we have the internet and they threw it together.
• 40:05
  Emeal Zwayne: And I was shocked when I got the video for review.
• 40:08
  Emeal Zwayne: They're like, hey, here it is.
• 40:08
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm like what you guys are done and, ray, what'd you think of the video?
• 40:13
  Ray Comfort: Oh, it was so professional, so quick and held your interest, which?
• 40:19
  Ray Comfort: Is what they've got to do.
• 40:20
  Ray Comfort: You can't lose interest within, you know, five minutes.
• 40:22
  Ray Comfort: You're just gone.
• 40:23
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, Held interest right through.
• 40:25
  Emeal Zwayne: And at the same time, you know, like we were dealing with the rain.
• 40:28
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah Right, and that's difficult.
• 40:35
  Emeal Zwayne: We were at a place called the Pantheon and I was up on the kind of top level roof filming and there's crowds.
• 40:38
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean it's a tourist place, right, so we're like, all right, let's do it here.
• 40:40
  Emeal Zwayne: But there's people on either side of me and they're trying to cross to the other side.
• 40:44
  Emeal Zwayne: In fact, while I'm filming, one guy ducks under the camera and goes to the other side and you know it's in the rain and it was just.
• 40:55
  Emeal Zwayne: You know there were challenging aspects to it, but when it was all put together, I'm like man Lord.
• 40:57
  Emeal Zwayne: And to think, if our entire trip was for this video, for what may soon be 3 million people, I mean it's continuing to grow.
• 41:04
  Emeal Zwayne: Imagine 3 million people.
• 41:07
  Emeal Zwayne: You know, I try to think of that on the level of like a stadium.
• 41:12
  Emeal Zwayne: I think we have the SoFi Stadium.
• 41:13
  Emeal Zwayne: It seats like 70, 80, 90 million, you know, million.
• 41:19
  Ray Comfort: I mean, that was evangelistic.
• 41:22
  Emeal Zwayne: The exact rating of evangelism?
• 41:23
  Emeal Zwayne: No, but you know, 70, 80, 90,000.
• 41:26
  Emeal Zwayne: I don't know, it's something like that which is massive.
• 41:28
  Emeal Zwayne: Right, 70,000.
• 41:29
  Emeal Zwayne: Okay, 70,000.
• 41:31
  Emeal Zwayne: Like multiple, do the math on that.
• 41:33
  Emeal Zwayne: How many of those stadiums would it take?
• 41:36
  Emeal Zwayne: It's wild, you know, for all those people getting the gospel.
• 41:39
  Oscar Navarro: I wish I would've known it would have done that I would've worn something better than a trash bag.
• 41:43
  Emeal Zwayne: I know.
• 41:43
  Emeal Zwayne: I was gonna say, an Oscar with a trash bag.
• 41:44
  Emeal Zwayne: It's about 38 stadiums.
• 41:46
  Ray Comfort: What's that?
• 41:46
  Ray Comfort: Probably about 38 stadiums.
• 41:48
  Mark Spence: Wow, it's unreal 19 years of watch.
• 41:51
  Mark Spence: Time is what it was 166,000 hours.
• 41:55
  Mark Spence: That's crazy.
• 41:55
  Mark Spence: Wow, 19,000.
• 41:56
  Mark Spence: Praise.
• 41:57
  Emeal Zwayne: God, yeah, just his sovereignty constantly blows my mind and I've said to you guys as well in a sense we're sort of desensitized to those kinds of numbers when we hear millions Like yeah, you know, we have a channel, almost a million and a half subscribers and almost 300 million views, but we have to let that register 2.6 million people already yeah, but the next video only got 120,000.
• 42:21
  Ray Comfort: Oh, 2.6 million people already.
• 42:22
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, but the next video only got 120,000.
• 42:24
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, so 120,000, which is almost two SoFi stadiums full of people.
• 42:31
  Emeal Zwayne: We're like, oh yeah.
• 42:32
  Emeal Zwayne: So, oscar, you go out, you start interviewing people.
• 42:36
  Emeal Zwayne: What was your sense of things and how you were?
• 42:37
  Emeal Zwayne: And let me just say one of the cool things was the compliment that I saw a few times in the comments of people saying man, oscar was just so tender with these people, especially the young black guy that you talked to, that just gentle and loving and giving the gospel so effectively, but no compromise, praise the Lord.
• 42:53
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, one of the things that stood out to me is I was running up to people and just trying to get as many conversations as humanly possible and in my mind I thought, like it'll probably be, just over 50% of the people are going to love it.
• 43:06
  Oscar Navarro: It was 100%, not a single person.
• 43:10
  Oscar Navarro: There's nothing that wasn't-.
• 43:12
  Oscar Navarro: It told them about the opening ceremony, the opening ceremony.
• 43:14
  Oscar Navarro: I asked them what did you think?
• 43:15
  Oscar Navarro: And it was loved.
• 43:17
  Oscar Navarro: It was great.
• 43:18
  Oscar Navarro: What'd you think about the last supper?
• 43:19
  Oscar Navarro: I thought it was great.
• 43:20
  Oscar Navarro: Some people wouldn't like it.
• 43:21
  Oscar Navarro: What do you think about that?
• 43:22
  Oscar Navarro: Loved it, didn't have any problem with it.
• 43:23
  Oscar Navarro: 100% of the people that I talked to were convinced that it was amazing and good and well done.
• 43:31
  Oscar Navarro: And yeah, the conversation with the young black man was really cool.
• 43:35
  Oscar Navarro: He promised me like five, 10 minutes and we ended up talking for probably 20.
• 43:40
  Oscar Navarro: Wow, but he was in it.
• 43:41
  Oscar Navarro: He was like he was there.
• 43:43
  Oscar Navarro: He never rushed the conversation.
• 43:45
  Oscar Navarro: He was super interested.
• 43:46
  Oscar Navarro: Same with the Spaniard that had a conversation with.
• 43:48
  Oscar Navarro: He was um, I was really thankful that afterwards he said he'd think about it.
• 43:53
  Oscar Navarro: I got to go through the gospel with both those guys and and and really thankful for their willingness to think critically and even have the possibility of changing their minds over something like that, and it seemed like they were really open about realizing the hypocrisy in what had just happened.
• 44:11
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah, oh man, I'm thrilled I still keep going back and looking at the views and the comments.
• 44:17
  Emeal Zwayne: And, ray, I mean what a, I think, great sort of moment right now for us to remind people of capitalizing on whatever's happening in the world to get the gospel out?
• 44:32
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, absolutely Springboards everywhere.
• 44:35
  Ray Comfort: One thing that I keep having to remind myself is that, as Christians, we're not overly offended by their lifestyle.
• 44:42
  Ray Comfort: That doesn't deeply concern us.
• 44:44
  Ray Comfort: It's like someone's living in adultery.
• 44:45
  Ray Comfort: They're fornicating look on pornography.
• 44:47
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, that's your business.
• 44:48
  Ray Comfort: Our concern is where are they going to spend eternity?
• 44:51
  Mark Spence: Amen.
• 44:51
  Ray Comfort: And that's why we've got to say to homosexuals do what you want, but realize this do not be deceived.
• 44:56
  Ray Comfort: Homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God, and that's what's going to matter on judgment day.
• 45:01
  Emeal Zwayne: Amen.
• 45:02
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and I think that's an important point to make.
• 45:04
  Emeal Zwayne: I think the world is expecting Christians to be up in arms and look, I mean, come on, we're not stupid.
• 45:11
  Emeal Zwayne: We know that those behind this were realizing this was going to cause an upheaval and it was gonna bring attention, and that's all a part of strategizing and stuff.
• 45:22
  Emeal Zwayne: But I think a part of it is this expectation that Christians are gonna be what.
• 45:26
  Emeal Zwayne: Now, of course, we can experience righteous indignation in the sense that this grieves our hearts.
• 45:33
  Emeal Zwayne: But, number one, we're not surprised.
• 45:35
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean, of course we expect this from the world, and especially with how things have been trending.
• 45:40
  Emeal Zwayne: But, number two, we're not hate-filled towards these people.
• 45:46
  Emeal Zwayne: We know God is sovereign, he's in control, but the truth is the truth and we see this as an opportunity to highlight.
• 45:53
  Emeal Zwayne: Hey, look at where the world's at.
• 45:55
  Emeal Zwayne: And in the comments I saw a number of people saying where are we Like?
• 45:59
  Emeal Zwayne: What is happening?
• 46:00
  Emeal Zwayne: There were even atheists, there were Muslims in the comment section saying I'm a Muslim, I'm an atheist, but this is ridiculous.
• 46:08
  Mark Spence: So Mark the Lord using things for the good like it meant for evil and God uses it for the good.
• 46:14
  Mark Spence: Yeah, this is what we see with Joseph and his brothers.
• 46:16
  Mark Spence: You cannot thwart God's plan.
• 46:18
  Mark Spence: We can plan our ways, but ultimately, every decision, every step is ultimately from the Lord.
• 46:24
  Mark Spence: We did not go out there to try to create a YouTube video.
• 46:27
  Mark Spence: We went out there to create content for our Way of the Master television season, one of the episodes which we plan on doing, and we got some great content in order to do that.
• 46:39
  Mark Spence: But we came back clicking our heels because of the ability to reach 2.6 million people and we had no intention of doing that that morning and it's still doing it in perpetuity.
• 46:47
  Mark Spence: We could all die and it's still going to work because the gospel does not return void and God has a plan that is outside of our plan, but ultimately, if he would have asked us, maybe we'd have been too nervous to do it, except for Ray.
• 47:01
  Oscar Navarro: You mentioned righteous indignation and it's so important.
• 47:04
  Oscar Navarro: You also mentioned how in the comments they mentioned how there is a gentleness in the video.
• 47:09
  Oscar Navarro: There's a difference between righteous indignation and the culture of outrage and cancel culture and the outrage culture, cancel culture will demonize and talk down, but righteous indignation actually comes from a place of humility and a desire for truth and a love for the lost, and so I would just say what do we do?
• 47:35
  Oscar Navarro: How do we respond?
• 47:36
  Oscar Navarro: We cannot take the bait.
• 47:38
  Oscar Navarro: We have to be like humble miners, seeking and advocating for truth, beauty and goodness, while respecting those who disrespect us.
• 47:50
  Oscar Navarro: Why?
• 47:50
  Oscar Navarro: Because we worship the God of truth, beauty and goodness, amen.
• 47:55
  Emeal Zwayne: There's nothing more beautiful, nothing more powerful than to watch someone speak the truth in a self-controlled, humble wisdom, wise, gentle and non-compromising fashion.
• 48:11
  Emeal Zwayne: Like I mean, you are not veering from the truth one iota, you're speaking it in its fullness.
• 48:17
  Emeal Zwayne: But there's that demeanor about you of like man this person cares this person like they're different, like what in the world?
• 48:26
  Emeal Zwayne: Like I feel you love me, even though you're telling me that what I'm doing is wrong and you totally disagree with me and I'm heading for a place called hell.
• 48:33
  Emeal Zwayne: How are you doing that?
• 48:34
  Emeal Zwayne: In a way that's like making me want to hug you.
• 48:37
  Oscar Navarro: You just described every Ray Comfort evangelist experience seriously because he just does such a good job of that.
• 48:43
  Emeal Zwayne: Praise God, may we press on in that and, friends, we hope you're inspired in that.
• 48:46
  Emeal Zwayne: Look, we sympathize with getting frustrated and agitated, but you have to remember what is the mission here To reach this person right.
• 48:54
  Emeal Zwayne: Remember, you can win the argument, but lose the person and you've lost.
• 48:57
  Emeal Zwayne: And so let's keep that in mind and let's capitalize on every opportunity.
• 49:02
  Emeal Zwayne: And if you haven't checked out the video, do it now.
• 49:04
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• 49:09
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• 49:13
  Emeal Zwayne: All right, that does it, yep.
• 49:15
  Ray Comfort: That does it, we did it.
• 49:16
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• 49:26
  Mark Spence: Yeah, With your thoughts and your comments.
• 49:31
  Emeal Zwayne: Sounded like waters.
• 49:32
  Emeal Zwayne: I know stuff.
• 49:33
  Emeal Zwayne: Thank you for joining us, friends.
• 49:34
  Emeal Zwayne: We'll see you here next time on the living waters oh boy podcast where mark has no idea what he's doing.