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3/27/26: Trump Panic Delays Iran Attack, IDF Chief Says Military Collapsing, Abdul El-Sayed Interview, Jasper Nathaniel on West Bank · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 1: Everybody happy Friday. How's every feeling happy Friday?
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  Speaker 2: Happy Friday, Happy Friday?
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  Speaker 3: Before the markets close, so we'll see what happened for
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  Speaker 3: the market.
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  Speaker 2: Market clothes difference.
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  Speaker 4: Always monitor in this situation, he's just addicted to watching
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  Speaker 4: the markets.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's actually a good thing, an important thing to watch,
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  Speaker 5: since apparently we conduct all of our foreign policy and
• 0:22
  Speaker 5: wage war based on the schedule of the market and
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  Speaker 5: what the bond yield is today. Literally, so I actually
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  Speaker 5: do think we should pay close attention to that. We
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  Speaker 5: can start with some of that, but just to give
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  Speaker 5: people a preview, We've got a bunch of updates in
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  Speaker 5: terms of the Iran war, new possibility of ten thousand
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  Speaker 5: more ground troops that's being floated. Jasper Nathaniel's going to
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  Speaker 5: join us to talk about the uptick in programs in
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  Speaker 5: the West Bank, and you know what is going on there.
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  Speaker 5: There's also a weird phenomenon that I want to get
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  Speaker 5: his take on. Have you guys seen like Richie Torres
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  Speaker 5: and Batchya and all these like very pro Israel people
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  Speaker 5: apac coming out and being like this settler terrorism is
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  Speaker 5: out of control.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm curious what is going on behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 1: With that one as well.
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  Speaker 5: And then we've got Abdul Zaia, who of course running
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  Speaker 5: for the Senate in Michigan and facing a lot of
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  Speaker 5: backlash and criticism over his choice to do a rally
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  Speaker 5: with the very controversial Hassan Piker. So it's a good
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  Speaker 5: week to speak with him as well.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, well, why don't we get to thank God for
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  Speaker 3: the procrastinators out there. We've got a ten day extension from.
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  Speaker 2: Trump, which we're excited about.
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  Speaker 3: Here, Trump says, as per Iranian government requests, please let
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  Speaker 3: this statement serve to represent that I am pausing the
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  Speaker 3: period of energy planned destruction by ten days to Monday,
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  Speaker 3: April six at a pm Eastern time. Talks are ongoing,
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  Speaker 3: and despite erroneous statements to the contrary by the fake
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  Speaker 3: news media and others, they're going very well.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for brying attention to this matter. Ryan.
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  Speaker 5: This is obviously extremely significant because the previous dead line
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  Speaker 5: was due to expire today when markets closed. Everybody's watching
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  Speaker 5: and waiting to see if there was going to be
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  Speaker 5: and this is still I think a possibility if there's
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  Speaker 5: going to be some sort of a ground invasion this weekend.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think this announcement changes anything, but right, maybe
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  Speaker 5: you could speak to what the Iranians are saying about,
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  Speaker 5: you know, whether or not there's been some sort of
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  Speaker 5: negotiation and whether you know they in fact were the
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  Speaker 5: ones asking for this extension.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and the the Wall Street Journal actually last night
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  Speaker 6: confirmed Jeremy's reporting. The Journal was sourcing it to mediator mediators,
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  Speaker 6: sources in the mediation team, and Jeremy was sourcing it
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  Speaker 6: to Iranian officials, so then they were basically saying the
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  Speaker 6: same thing. And it's also been wild to just notice that, like,
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  Speaker 6: if you've been following Jeremy's reporting, you're consistently getting accurate
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  Speaker 6: information about what's going on here. If you're following like
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  Speaker 6: the Axios New York Times stuff that gets put out
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  Speaker 6: by the Israelis and the Americans, there's just actively lying,
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  Speaker 6: lying to you constantly through you, for whatever strategic purposes
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  Speaker 6: they have. But it seems like, for whatever reason, most
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  Speaker 6: Western media just is not capable of we're not interested
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  Speaker 6: in kind of sorting through that because it goes to
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  Speaker 6: this like, well, this this anonymous person who's very powerful
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  Speaker 6: we cough or whoever said it. Therefore US news, even
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  Speaker 6: if it's not true, and and that kind of construction
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  Speaker 6: has led to like just massive amounts of misinformation getting circulated.
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  Speaker 6: So what we know now is that the Iranians, in
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  Speaker 6: response to a collection of different ideas that were thrown
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  Speaker 6: their way from like three different like Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan,
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  Speaker 6: everybody's like like sending information from with cough and the
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  Speaker 6: Americans over to the Iranians about what they're interested in.
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  Speaker 6: So as Jeremy's ordering, the Iranians made a counter proposal.
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  Speaker 6: It said, like, here are some base baseline things that
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  Speaker 6: if we agree on, we'll do, you know, we can
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  Speaker 6: move towards a ceasefire and then some long form discussion.
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  Speaker 6: Wall Street Journal has something similar to that that and
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  Speaker 6: the Journal and Jeremy both reported that the US did
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  Speaker 6: not respond to that, And so that's where we are now,
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  Speaker 6: with the Americans kind of very blatantly kind of threatening
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  Speaker 6: some type of amphibious assault somewhere. They seem to be
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  Speaker 6: suggesting that it's carg Island. Net Yahoo said, you know,
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  Speaker 6: he expects a ceasefire this weekend, which is a blaring
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  Speaker 6: like warning that the opposite is going to happen. The
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  Speaker 6: fact that they're talking so much about Carg island probably
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  Speaker 6: suggests something else is going to go on, but that's
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  Speaker 6: where that's where we are now. And yeah, it's Trump.
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  Speaker 6: I did people even remember Trump's five day thing? I
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  Speaker 6: my assumption is that when Trump gives a long deadline,
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  Speaker 6: people like don't even take it seriously. When he gives
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  Speaker 6: a forty eight hour like, okay, forty eight hours, we
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  Speaker 6: need to watch that. But when he changed it to five,
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  Speaker 6: I thought everyone just forgot about it. Yeah, correct, Hey,
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  Speaker 6: remember you did that five day thing that's coming up.
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  Speaker 2: And he's like, oh, okay.
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  Speaker 4: I think that was the correct approach because he's just
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  Speaker 4: as he goes. He's freelancing. Speaking of five, he boomer
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  Speaker 4: maxed out on The five last night, and did you
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  Speaker 4: see the clips from this? He called into The Five
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  Speaker 4: last night, told Dana Pirno how beautiful she was, said
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  Speaker 4: that he was bragging about how he played the gay
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  Speaker 4: national anthem. He got asked if the ayahtola was gay,
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  Speaker 4: and he said that he did very well with gay voters.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my god, unreal. We're in the middle of a
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  Speaker 4: war and that is how the president spent his well.
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  Speaker 5: I have been reliably told that we should wage war
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  Speaker 5: based on how LGBTQ friendly various regimes are. So if
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  Speaker 5: this new Ayahtola is going to throw a Teyron pride parade,
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  Speaker 5: we may be that may be the off ramp Emily
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  Speaker 5: so information.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think that's happening.
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  Speaker 2: Family's probably right on that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I do want to I want to put up Grevin,
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  Speaker 5: can you put up the bond market thing? And because
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  Speaker 5: I do think this is genuinely extremely essentral I mean
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  Speaker 5: not just in terms of this war, but when Trump
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  Speaker 5: tacoed on the tariffs, when he has made other actions
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  Speaker 5: in the financial markets, when he's you know, previously back
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  Speaker 5: down from threats. It seems to always happen when the
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  Speaker 5: bond market.
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  Speaker 1: Begins, when the yields begin to go up. What does
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  Speaker 1: that mean?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, one of the things that it means most
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  Speaker 5: obviously is just the borrowing costs of the United States
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  Speaker 5: are getting very, very expensive. That is one of the
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  Speaker 5: primary things that we are tax dollars go to at
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  Speaker 5: this point, and Trump seems to be very leery of
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  Speaker 5: those rates ticking up too high. What I've heard from
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  Speaker 5: analysts and Ryan Finance Broke can weigh in here, is
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  Speaker 5: that like four point five percent is kind of a
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  Speaker 5: red line for like, oh, this is getting to be bad.
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  Speaker 5: And so so he sees these bond yields ticking up.
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  Speaker 5: He also sees oil going up, he sees the stock
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  Speaker 5: market going down, and then he comes out with this, oh,
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  Speaker 5: ten days. Actually, now what was really I think the
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  Speaker 5: most significant thing that I saw is that the markets
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  Speaker 5: they did not really this didn't work previously.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the previous.
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  Speaker 5: Deadline of you know, we'll give you five days and
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  Speaker 5: we're negotiating blah blah blah, which was obviously a blatant
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  Speaker 5: market manipulation as well, that actually succeeded. The markets were like, okay, cool,
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  Speaker 5: there's apparently some negotiations going on. Oil came down into
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  Speaker 5: the eighties, you know, the markets went back up.
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  Speaker 1: This time.
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  Speaker 5: He said that there was a little bit of a
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  Speaker 5: bounce and then it went right back to where it was.
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  Speaker 5: So his ability to jawbone and market manipulate through two
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  Speaker 5: true social posts seems to have expired. And that, to
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  Speaker 5: me is extraordinarily significant because the whole central part of
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  Speaker 5: the Iranian strategy is to cause global economic pain, and
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  Speaker 5: that has been forestalled a bit by Trump's ability to
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  Speaker 5: you know, bullshit his way to like market's not completely collapsing.
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  Speaker 5: He seems to have run out of runway on that front.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he can't.
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  Speaker 6: He can only go back to that well so many times,
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  Speaker 6: and traders, I guess now are like, it's interesting because
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  Speaker 6: if even if you're a trader and you think that
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  Speaker 6: Trump is lying about talks, but you think that the
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  Speaker 6: crowd will believe that Trump is being honest about talks
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  Speaker 6: and therefore there'll be a search.
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  Speaker 2: Then you jump in and you ride the wave. So
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  Speaker 2: it's really meta.
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  Speaker 6: Everyone has to kind of be on the same page
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  Speaker 6: that this guy's full of it. Otherwise you just go
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  Speaker 6: with the crowd like, Okay, this is fake, but like
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  Speaker 6: I'm gonna take this two percent. Seems like now people
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  Speaker 6: are like, okay, Trump says there's talks. I need more sources,
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  Speaker 6: and so does everyone else because if I buy, I'm
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  Speaker 6: now the idiot because everyone else is like, no, like
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  Speaker 6: how many times are gonna lie about this?
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  Speaker 2: Everyone else is going to sell.
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, and the Iranians have said that this whole
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  Speaker 6: we requested seven days and Trump gave ten is absurd,
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  Speaker 6: like this this did not happen, there was This isn't
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  Speaker 6: even a mischaracterization of a conversation, because there weren't even
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  Speaker 6: any conversations. Like they're now making these like Chinese AI
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  Speaker 6: videos making fun of these fake talks, Like have you've
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  Speaker 6: seen like some of these the Iranians are putting out
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  Speaker 6: of like Trump just making up.
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  Speaker 2: There, making up these negotiations.
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, this is just not happening and ships, so
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  Speaker 6: sense like please give us seven days until you bomb
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  Speaker 6: our power plants? Like what that's not a thing that
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  Speaker 6: anybody says, or like, hey, the positions, do not bomb them?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, or hey, you know, I see that you're running
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  Speaker 5: out of interceptors. How about we give you ten days
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  Speaker 5: to like restore and get it together. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 5: just you know, the Iranians are in the pole position
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  Speaker 5: right now strategically. The US is accomplished zero of their
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  Speaker 5: strategic objectives. There's all sort of sorts of reporting we
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  Speaker 5: talked about on the show yesterday about how Israel in
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  Speaker 5: particular is really running low on a bunch of their
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  Speaker 5: interceptor stockpiles, but the US is as well and obviously
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  Speaker 5: our allies. So I mean, in what world would it
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  Speaker 5: make sense for the Iranis to be like, well, you
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  Speaker 5: guys need a break. It's cool, take ten days, come
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  Speaker 5: back to us. You know, we'll send you some messages
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  Speaker 5: so you can yeah right, yeah, co focus on Hesbela
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  Speaker 5: and your like reign of terror in the West Bank
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  Speaker 5: and the genocide you continue to commit in Gaza. Also,
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  Speaker 5: we're gonna make sure to communicate with you some electronically
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  Speaker 5: so you can come and target our leaders again and
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  Speaker 5: mass murderers once again. Like none of this makes any sense,
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  Speaker 5: but you know, I do think the market pieces really
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  Speaker 5: is really really significant, since that seems to be how
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  Speaker 5: basically Trump operates. I mean, the one thing he really
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  Speaker 5: seems to like careut and focus on. And there have
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  Speaker 5: been very few instances emily where Trump hasn't been able
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  Speaker 5: to like basically bulls bullshit his way out of a jam.
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  Speaker 5: But oil is a physical commodity. There is a reality,
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  Speaker 5: tangible thing behind it. And every day that the straight
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  Speaker 5: of Horor moves is de facto basically shut down. That's
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  Speaker 5: another day when you know, some fifteen fifteen million barrels
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  Speaker 5: of oil are not going into the market, and at
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  Speaker 5: some point that reality does hit. One other thing that
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  Speaker 5: we learned yesterday is remember Trump with this whole like, oh.
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  Speaker 1: They gave me a great gift.
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  Speaker 4: They gave me a great gift.
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  Speaker 1: It had to do with a guess blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 5: And then you know, he put out there that what
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  Speaker 5: it was was them letting some tankers through the straight
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  Speaker 5: of Horror moves, which, first of all, they have been
• 11:46
  Speaker 5: letting some tankers through the Straight of horor moves. They
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  Speaker 5: have long said, Hey, it's not really shut. It's just
• 11:51
  Speaker 5: like you got to pay us two million bucks. You've
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  Speaker 5: got to be not at war with us, and it
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  Speaker 5: needs to be denominated in shiny as you want. But yes,
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  Speaker 5: you're We learned that even even that conception of like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: they let tankers through was not true. There's no indication
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  Speaker 5: from the tanker tracking that any tankers we're getting through,
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  Speaker 5: let alone trumps of like eight, they let eight tankers through.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm not sure where this particular fantasy or delusion
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  Speaker 5: came from.
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  Speaker 6: I think a few ships might have gotten through that
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  Speaker 6: didn't have a lot of oil on them, as as
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  Speaker 6: kind of a one take is that it was them
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  Speaker 6: showing that A, we are the people that can do this.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and so the level of control they have basically we'll.
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  Speaker 6: Let this ship through that is meaningless, just to show
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  Speaker 6: that we can do it, so that you see we
• 12:38
  Speaker 6: are the toll booth guys, like, that's that's who you're
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  Speaker 6: talking to right now. The Parliament there is codifying in
• 12:44
  Speaker 6: the law. They're like control over and the tolling system. Yep,
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  Speaker 6: just as Egypt Egypt, you know, source major source of
• 12:52
  Speaker 6: Egypt's revenue is tolling ships that go through the Suez Canal.
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  Speaker 6: And so that Roddians are like works for them. Why
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  Speaker 6: you know, why can't it work?
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  Speaker 5: It's also one of their demands that they've put forward
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  Speaker 5: in terms of a resolution of the conflict.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and how long do we, like, what measures do
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  Speaker 4: we have to take? How long do we have to
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  Speaker 4: be waging this war for Trump to declare a victory
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  Speaker 4: and change the state of affairs and Hormuz right now?
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  Speaker 4: That's a really frightening thought because there's no clear path
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  Speaker 4: at the moment. Trump is obviously feeling good about negotiations.
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  Speaker 4: It does seem like he believes it's going to be
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  Speaker 4: much easier than it actually. I mean we saw that
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  Speaker 4: with Ukraine and Russia. He's come out and said, since
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  Speaker 4: that's a tough one, harder than I thought, and there's
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  Speaker 4: something cavalier about his comments on Iran, particularly this week,
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  Speaker 4: because we're getting reporting who knows how true it is,
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  Speaker 4: but we're getting reporting from inside of the White House
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  Speaker 4: that he's getting tired of the war and he's ready
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  Speaker 4: to move on. It's like, well, thirteen people, at least
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  Speaker 4: thirteen service members have died, many have been wounded, double
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  Speaker 4: digits of serious injuries, and for what Because Iran has
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  Speaker 4: not been put out of a position to continue rebuilding
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  Speaker 4: right post Midnight Hammer. That's why we were told it
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  Speaker 4: was the right time to do epic theories that Iran
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  Speaker 4: had been rebuilding its missiles, its launchers, and had intentions
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  Speaker 4: for its new Like, none of that is changing at all.
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  Speaker 4: So if he wants to declare some type of pr
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  Speaker 4: victory and have the state of affairs be worse, then
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: you look at another six months and see what happens
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  Speaker 4: down the road. And the other thing I just add
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  Speaker 4: is I agree a lot of this feels very similar
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  Speaker 4: to Liberation Day tweeting and market manipulation with different promises
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  Speaker 4: and intentionally saying things to move the numbers. And I
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: guess I wonder when people start picking up on what
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: you're doing. When it's a war. Does that do your
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: efforts to manipulate manipulate markets have to get more extreme?
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: What happens when Trump has to be more extreme in
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: order to have these effects on the markets, whether it's
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: calming them or something else. So that's a nice thought
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: to consider on Friday.
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  Speaker 5: I just hope Brian that the whoever was trying to
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: inside trade off of Trump's announcement yesterday got their asses
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: handed to them after the market's didn't react the way
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: that they expected them to.
• 15:33
  Speaker 6: You're out there, you saich an idiot. You can't even
• 15:35
  Speaker 6: make money insider trading off of.
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  Speaker 2: It.
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  Speaker 6: Does seem like one plausible path that Trump sees, not
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: that it's realistic necessarily, but that he thinks might exist
• 15:46
  Speaker 6: is send a bunch of Delta force people somewhere into Iran,
• 15:52
  Speaker 6: claim that you grabbed some nuclear material and then and
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: then get out and then and say we're done, like
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  Speaker 6: we obliterated it before, and now we've taken all of
• 16:04
  Speaker 6: the obliterated material and so they are now harmless to
• 16:09
  Speaker 6: the world, and we have to quit. And in one
• 16:12
  Speaker 6: of the those Iranian AI videos, they had a lego
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  Speaker 6: version of Trump like crying and holding up a sign
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  Speaker 6: that said victory.
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  Speaker 2: So like they like they see that.
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  Speaker 6: Trump is going to declare victory at some point, and
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  Speaker 6: and then the camera pants to the back and his
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  Speaker 6: lego like backside is on fire, So wouldn't it be melting.
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  Speaker 6: There was definitely melting too.
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  Speaker 1: It was melting and on fire.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, smoking, melting and on fire. It was not a
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  Speaker 2: good scene back there. It relied the victory sign a
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  Speaker 2: little bit.
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  Speaker 6: But that they they they clearly know or suspect that
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: that's what he's looking for. And don't trust a word
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  Speaker 6: that he's saying like they're they're not you know, there's
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: reporting that they're they're not messaging electronically. You know, there
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: have been so many instances of Trump offering a cease
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: fire deal with the purpose of pulling people together to
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: discuss that deal and then trying to kill them.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: They're not fools, Like they have patternognition.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, unlike us.
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: Apparently we really need to we really need a segment
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: of Griffin doing a film breakdown of all of the
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: Iranian propagandavists.
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  Speaker 3: It's the one time I'm pro AI, Like I do
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: think that like AI slot videos should be allowed in
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: like the political memes sphere because there seems.
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  Speaker 2: To be a lot of value from it.
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  Speaker 3: Emily, you asked, what is the reason that we're doing
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: all this? I think jd Vance has a new answer
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  Speaker 3: that I'd like to play for everybody here. That also
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: I might have to do with some of the nuclear
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: that Ryan is speaking about.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Let's take a listen.
• 17:53
  Speaker 7: So when I say options, I think it's important the
• 17:55
  Speaker 7: American people know options for what, and it's options to
• 17:59
  Speaker 7: ensure that ran never has a nuclear weapon.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: You talk about people who walk into a.
• 18:03
  Speaker 7: Crowded supermarket and have a vest on and they blow
• 18:06
  Speaker 7: up the vests and a couple of people get killed,
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: and that's a terrible tragedy. What happens when what's on
• 18:10
  Speaker 7: the vest it's not something that can kill a couple
• 18:12
  Speaker 7: of people, but can kill many, many, tens of thousands
• 18:15
  Speaker 7: of people. That is the most important American national security
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: objective that exists for any administration at any time is
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: you don't want the worst people in the world to
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: have a nuclear weapon.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: That's why the President is doing this.
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: That's why the President cares so much about this particular issue.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: So that's that's why we're doing it. Nuclear armed vests,
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: that's also a plot from a season of twenty four,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Jack Bauer.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's where we pulled that from.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: And did you even think about what if they had
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: sharks with nuclear vests? What did they figure out how
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: to fly at, you know, superhuman speeds? Did you even
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: consider that? What that is for America safety and security?
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: Christal, I think about nuclear sharks all of the time.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: All Apparently there are some sharks right now who have
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: gotten into a cocaine that's been dumped into the ocean.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: The New York Post has this story, so not a
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: laughing matter, folks, But but the thing is, like, none
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: of us downplay this is what the corporate press is
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: constantly downplaying, like the actual nuclear threat. Like they love
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: to talk about war and to all of that, but
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: like it's constantly looming over the world. I in waste that. Uh,
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: the corporate media just like breezes pass like it's no
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: big deal. So I don't want to downplay the genuine
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: threat uh that could exist from something like that. But again,
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: it reminds me exactly of this day last week, the
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: Diego Garcia situation, where everybody was smugly taking their dub
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: and being like, hey, you fools, you didn't think Iran
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: posed an imminent threat. Look at how far they can
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: launch missiles, and it's like, go look at the map
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: of North Korea's nuclear missile range, Saudi Arabia's nuclear missile range,
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: Putin's nuclear missile I mean ballistic missile range and nuclear
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: range of course too, but like, go take a look
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: at that this exists. Other countries already have it. So
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: if this is a predicate for war, we're gonna have
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: to go into North Korea next, because they're also a
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: dictatorial death cult and probably in different ways from Iran.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: Actually that make them even more unpredictable, so and harder
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: to negotiate with. So what are we doing here they're.
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: All worried about if we're worried about undeclared nuclear arsenals
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: being held by rogue states that constantly threaten their neighbors
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: in the world, Yeah, there's another place you might want
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: to look other than Iran. And to the point that
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: we endlessly make I mean, I was thinking about this
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: when you guys were talking earlier.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Iran after the Twelve Day War.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: Even though there was dissatisfaction with the government, which there
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: has been for a long time in terms of their
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: defensive and offensive capabilities. They were strengthened by the Twelve
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: Day War because they got to learn a lot about
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: what they could do, what their vulnerabilities were.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: They were able to, you.
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: Know, increase their amount of domestic production of ballistic missiles,
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: shah head drones and really prepare so and in the
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: same respect, you know, in terms of if you're concerned
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: about a nuclear threat or nuclear vest or whatever bullshit
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: he made up, there is nothing that has made the
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: Iranians more likely to move in the direction than the
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: actions that we have taken. Okay, you murdered the guy
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: who had the you know, anti nuclear fatoas, so great job.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: You have made it abundantly clear to Iran that as
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: long as they do not have a nuclear weapon, they
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: were will always.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Be menaced by the US and by Israel.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: So if that's yes, I do not want to see
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: nuclear proliferation. But if I was advising the Iranians, like,
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: it's very obvious the logic that we have created, not
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: just in Iran but around the world. So the whole
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: conception is so ass backwards that you can't even begin
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: to wrap your hat around it. Like, yes, you have
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: made the world more unsafe. And by the way, American
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: people know that. You know, there's polling that we just
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: covered yesterday where if you ask people do you think
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: the Iran war is making us more or less safe? Majority,
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: clear majority say it's making us less safe. And that's
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: now at the beginning of this war, when we've just
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: gotten started here and it's as popular as it's ever
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: going to be.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: So a few other war updates. The Pentagon is considering
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: deploying an additional ten thousand troops to buy whatever potential
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: action may occur, potentially over the weekend or coming weeks.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: And Trump also has decided to sign in an executive
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: emergency order to fund TSA to resolve our TSA lines
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: at the air.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Did you guys catch that.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: I had one more desperate thought on the nuclear thing.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: I do think to Ryan's point, some type of delta
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: action with nuclear material is how Trump is right now.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: And that may be why jd. Vance went in that
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: direction at the press yesterday, at the Cabinet meeting yesterday,
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: because yeah, I think it that might be they might
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: be priming the public for something like that. If you're
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: able to show a tangible Maduro style operation which again
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: a lot of reporting suggests that's what Trump. Uh, that's
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: what kind of nudged Trump partially towards action, as he
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: had been getting a lot of people in his ear
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: who wanted to go into Iran saying, look at this
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: successful in out the type of like military operation you
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: can boast about makes America look strong, et cetera. And
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: that's the type of thing he could say, we did it,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: We're winding down. We just had a successful Delta Forest
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: recovery of enriched uranium underground. So I would keep an
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: eye on something like that too, Ran, What were.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: I was just gonna ask Ryan a question I remember
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: early in the Warrior, were like, Iran should just put
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: like a suitcase in the desert that says nuclear material
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: and let so dental a Delta Forest operators go.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: We got it, guys, you know, mission accomplished.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: Make it look really cinematic, like glowing green.
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, some Erica Kirk sparklers go off when you pick
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: it up or whatever.
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: Anyway, I actually want to play out that scenario a
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: little bit.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: Ryan.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: If you let's say there is some you know, semi
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: performative you know, special operator stunt where they get something
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: that they can claim is nuclear material or whatever, and
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: they're like, we did it, you know, mission accomplished. Good
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: luck with the straightah, horror moves Europeans. You guys, figure
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: it out.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: We got our own oil. We don't really need it.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: Goodbye.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: What would happen then, like, do you think that the
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: Iranians would take that as an opportunity to be like,
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: you're really a way to go, guys, good work, Let's
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: negoti an end to this and comes Toto or do
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: you I mean, how would that actually play out? Because
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: that seems to be part of the problem is even
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: if there was some performative, you know, operation that didn't
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: end in mass death, which it is very likely to,
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: and Trump was able to claim some sort of a victory,
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: it doesn't seem at all clear to me that that
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: comes close to ending the conflict.
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: It depends on what Trump is willing to do alongside that.
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: We don't know exactly what was in the kind of
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: semi formal response that the Iranians gave to the Americans yet,
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: hopefully we will over the next couple of days, but
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: we know in general kind of what they've been asking for.
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: They want permanent sanctions, relief, and they you know, they
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: want their sovereignty over Hormuz respected, and there's an enormous
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: amount of kind of Iranian capital that is frozen that
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: they want unfrozen. They've been telling their population that they're
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: demanding reparations and won't end the war until they get
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: reparations for the the girls school and all the other
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: assaults on civilian infrastructure. You can imagine a world where
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: the unfreezing, the unfreezing of that of that uh, those
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: those reserves counts as the reparation or.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Some sort of like sanctions relief or something like that.
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and then what is what do the guarantees look
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: like for another attack? You know they have What Iran
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: keeps saying is that they don't trust guarantees anymore. The
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: guarantee that they want is that Israel and the United
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: States have felt so much pain that they don't want
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: to touch the stove again, that they've been so burned
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: that that they're not doing this again for twenty years.
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: And so they'd have to then calculate whether or not
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: they've kind of burned them enough. But I do think
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: it's possible, depending on what they agreed to, that if
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: the US declared victory left. You know, they also want
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: they also want the US bases dismantled, and they are
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: currently dismantled, like they'd have to, we'd have to remantle them,
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: rebuild those suckers, and maybe you know, and Iran would
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: have a say in that. You know, if like you
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: rebuild these, we'll start shooting at you again. So you
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: can imagine a world where they do a great but
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: that's it's a humiliating set of concessions, Like the US
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: will have gone into war with a certain amount of treasure,
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: a certain amount of weapon stocks, bases intact all across
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: the region, uh and Iran sanction and then we'll be
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: leaving the war with Iran unsanctioned, with our bases, you know, completely.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Torched, and control a lot of our industrial.
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: Base, you know, military industrial base spent such that we're
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: like stealing NATO's weapons and shipping them to the region
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: with all of the intelligence saying that you know, China
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: plans to absorb Taiwan, and like what twenty seven twenty eight,
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: whatever it is I saw.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: I wish I could give the person credit, but I
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: saw a good post on Excast night. Someone said TSMC
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: is the straight up her moves of China.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, except we actually I think more harmed potentially by yeah,
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: oh my god, you know, the loss of TSMC.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: It's a matter of keeping the lights on, like infrastation.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: Because we we do you know, we are a net
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: energy ex border, like we do have some some buffer
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: on that front, but the rest of the world does not,
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: frankly enjoy outside of like Russian to some extent, actually China.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: But yeah, on the the chips, I mean, we've completely
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: we've completely fumbled on that. And you know, with regardless
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: strad of harmons is. Obviously it's not just oil. It's
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: we've talked about fertilizer, helium, there's you know, food, There's
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: all sorts of ways that this gets screwed up. And
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: you know, I think we all have a pretty good
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: understanding of the way these things compound, given the experience
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: with the combination of the Ukraine War and COVID, so,
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: you know, the it seems like the market reality may
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: be starting to set in that even if Trump wants
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: a taco, there is not a taco available to him
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: at the moment. And you know, I guess all the
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: traders have started to realize that they all believe that
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: this is not going to be possible, and that the
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: physical realities are going to set in. You know, I
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: saw I was just looking at the markets, you know
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: there you still look, you know, everything's down this morning
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: except oil, which is up.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: You've got you.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: Know, the Brent is at one ten and you've got
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: the wt I at ninety six eighty, so almost even
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: one hundred dollars a barrel for that, which is the
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: you know, the domestic product. So in any case, it's uh,
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: not good as we head in tier to the weekend.
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: I guess lastly, guys, before we move on, we could
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: talk a little bit about TSA before we move on
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: to to get Jasper Nathaniel in here. But uh, there
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: seemed to be it seemed almost certain that there was
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: going to be some sort of a ground invasion this weekend.
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: And Griffin I mentioned, now we've got like, oh, we're
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: gonna maybe bring in ten thousand war troops. There's already
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: been troops that have been brought into the region, is marines,
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: the you know, the paratroopers. But do you guys think
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: that Trump's new deadline changes any of that strategy. I
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: also saw they had huge storms in the region at
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: least like yesterday. That could be a factor in terms
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: of any sort of significant military action.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: What are you guys feelings.
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: About the It's also the weather. Have you seen this, Yeah,
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: that's what I was just mentioning. Yeah, the weather is
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: really bad there right now, So.
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: I think that kind of shuts it down. They were
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: even talking about tornadoes like.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Very unusual for that region.
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: I think I think one other possible to throw up
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: before if Jasper's not here yet, is this at dropsight.
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: We reported on these efforts by China to get Guadar,
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: which is here. Let me let me put it up
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: just so people can see what we're talking about. So
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: right here, you know, So here's a Pakistan around border
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: right here. If you see, if you look at Gwadar
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: right here, it's right at the mouth of the the
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: gulf that then heads into kind of this the Strait
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: of Hormuz, and China has desperately wanted this port of
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: Gwadar like and and we are fueling a insurgency kind
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: of in the Balok region of Pakistan. Here in the south.
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: There's some blow population over in Iran. We were hoping
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: that we'd be able to fuel some cross border violence.
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: We haven't been able to do that. So maybe we
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: maybe we just try to like seize with with the pakistanis,
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: say like we're taking Guadar and China you're like you're
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: out of there, and that's the wind because that because
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: that because that gives us some then ability ability to
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: project power back towards Hormuz. Yeah, I've heard some people
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: kicking that around. It doesn't really make any sense, but
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: like they need something.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: I listened to an interview with Trita and John Meerscheimer
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: this morning, and Trita was floating that there's a few
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: islands that are like contested between Iran and UAE and
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: that maybe that and that was one of the things
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: that was floated in that Axios report. Maybe the idea is,
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: like to take those islands for UAE because the other
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: golf countries agree with you know, UAE's assessment that these
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: rightfully belong to them, and so it would like make
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: your golf allies happy claim some sort of win. Again,
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: it's in sort of a strategic position. It doesn't really
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: change anything in terms of your ability to reopen the
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: Straight of Hormuz and do what you want with it.
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: But perhaps that's like the win that they could claim.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: I don't know, it seems kind of far fetched to
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: me that any of this is going to really be convincing.
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: Auran said, if they try that, they're going to just
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: flatten Dubai like that they don't make make Like what
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: they've been doing to it so far looks like pinpricks.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: So Rian, have you seen these threats also of like
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: the Iranians saying maybe they'll change the borders in the region,
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: threatening to basically like annex Uae and Bahrain.
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and uh yeah, they're feeling good in that sense,
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: like that's I don't suspect that they're actually going to
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: do that, but that's that's the that's the point that
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: they're at. And like, but you know, Bahrain has a
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: pretty pro Iranian population. Yeah, Dubai is like it never
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: I never quite understood why Dubai felt so comfortable and
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: confident in in all of its saber rattling against against Iran,
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: Like it's like, are you are you insane? Like just
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: just for people, just to remind people to put this
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: back up, like does anybody have a map? Like when
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: they do this, like look at Dubai and look at
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: Iran like you're like, you think you're gonna like bully
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: this like gigantic mountainous country that's just like just across
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: the straight here.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: And then yeah, here's Bahrain right over here.
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: It's like the level of overconfidence here that they could
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: just do this with impunity, I guess reflected a real
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: confidence in the invincibility of the US security ship umbrella.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean I think they were really
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: confident that they were on in government would totally collapse.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: I guess I don't know.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: I mean, but I mean they have to realize you
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: would think there would be some reckoning with reality. And
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: these are these family monarchies that we prop up. I
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: was just looking it up to make sure my numbers
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: were cracked. The entire Emorti population, like the citizen population
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: is about a million people. Okay, they make up in
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: their own country. They make up about ten percent of
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: the population. It's overwhelmingly either like rich foreigners or this
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: indentured servant labor force from around the region. And so yeah,
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: I mean, you're not really in a position to you
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: don't have a strong hand to play here. And obviously
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: their whole brand and economic model is built on the
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: idea the mirage that is completely safe and you know,
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: you can park your capital here, and you can have
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: your luxury vacation here, and like that's their whole thing.
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: And already that's basically shattered and potentially irreparably.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: So we do breaking news. By the way, let me
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: put this on the screen, Chuck Schumer as we're recording
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: this just announced. It looks like they do indeed have
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: a deal.
• 35:34
  Speaker 8: He says.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: Quote after weeks of negotiations, Republicans caved to our demands
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: to fund DHS without a blank check for ice and CBP.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: His full statement says, in the wake of the murders
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: of Renee Good and Alex Partty, Senate Democrats were clear,
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: no blank check for a lawless ice and border patrol.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: He goes on to say, I'm very proud of our
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Democratic caucus. Through it all, Senate Democrats stood united, no
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: way for no backing down. We held the line just
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: to I don't know if clarification is the right word
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: on this, but basically Democrats are getting nothing because I mean,
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: they're in the minority, so they got their public stand.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: But what Republicans are now do doing is threatening to
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: fund ice like in perpetuity, not quite perpetuity, but like
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: at an even higher level in the reconciliation package that's
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: going to come up. So moral victory perhaps for Democrats
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: who managed to keep the government shut down for a
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: long time and make the stand as truck Schimer invokes
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: Alex Pratty and Renee Good literally in the first paragraph.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: But make no mistake, Republicans are now going to put
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: a lot of funding in the reconciliation package that's coming up. Also,
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: not a huge win for Republicans either, who are in
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: the majority and weren't able to keep their own priority.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: You put that statement back up.
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: There's an exquisitely democratic lot there at the bottom of it.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: And this.
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: To the to this belongs to this victory belongs to workers. Really,
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: the TSA workers did an illegal wildcat you know, sick out.
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: They all called in sick at once, kind of in
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: a semi organized fashion and really put pressure on on
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: both parties here. But the line at the bottom here
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: they say, where's the line about the militia. We held
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: firm in our opposition to Donald Trump's rogue and deadly
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: militia should not get more funding without serious reforms, so
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: he has it. So Donald Trump has a rogue and
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: deadly militia.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: And they were not giving him money yet, And the
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Democrats want to reform it, just just just a few reforms.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Rogue deadly militia just had better training, right.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: On your rogue and deadly mine.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so at least the line should go back to normal.
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: I saw a house speaker, Mike Johnson at an event
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: last night talking about the Olden Age like he invented
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: some new award or something. He was at some event
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: where there was a new word being given on It's
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: like these.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Boomers and their freaking awards.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: Man, Well he's not even a boomer, I think.
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: But he knows who he's what audience he's playing to.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: But just to take a glimpse at the political instincts
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: of Republican leadership right now, to be talking about the
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: Golden Age when you have lines for TSA that are
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: during spring break in easter five hours long at major airports,
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: that is a new level of stupid. I mean even
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: for them, it's atrocious.
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and gas probably hitting is it at four dollars average?
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: Yet this morning we can take a look at Triple A. Ryan,
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: real quick, if you can update us on the what
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: happened with the since we're talking about democratic incombinance and cowardice,
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: what happened with the war Powers resolution and what the
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: latest is there.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like they're gonna punt until mid April.
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: And so the the reason that we're even discussing a
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: warp Power resolution is that Josh Gotdheimer and the kind
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: of pro war tiny faction put forward a counter war
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: powers resolution to Rocana and Masses in the beginning because
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: they were saying, you know, this is a very common
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: tactic up on Capitol Hill where something is getting momentum
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: that has actual substance, and people who are trying to
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: derail it will try to create some weaker vehicle that
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: people can then glom onto that doesn't do anything but
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: still captures the kind of public anger. So they put
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: out this war Powers resolution that said, oh, the war
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: has to end, you know, within thirty days or something,
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: and Connum Masks were like, no, we're talking about two day.
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: So they didn't end up voting on Gotdheimer's. But once
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: they were done with Conna and Massy's, Godheimer's was sitting there,
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: and so then there was pressure put as the as
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: the I think it was March thirty first or something,
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: it's a deadline for when this resolution says the war
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: should end. They said, well, let's vote on this one.
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: And so then they agreed, Okay, fine, you know, because
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: they had introduced it and they're they're kind of stuck
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: because like this is yours, How are you going to
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: be against your thing? They forgot that time moves forward
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: and that eventually they'd be in. They'd be stuck, and
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: so you know, uh, they lost what three Democrats, three
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: or four Democrats on the last one, and if those
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: had all flipped, they would have they would have won.
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: Since then, MASSI is still a yes. I talked to
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: Warren Davidson yesterday. He said he's he's still a yes.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: And I actually reached out to Nancy Mace, who had
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: said that she was she was for it, and Democrats
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: were saying, well, we don't trust Nancy Mace. You know,
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: she talks a big game, but then she doesn't actually
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: vote the way she's she's talking. May said that Mace
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: told me that she had not heard from Democrats. So
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: if Democrats are actually concerned, like they could actually reach
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: out to her. Now Massey has been in contact with her.
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: I've been told so whether or not she's gonna actually
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: how she would vote, Okay, we don't know. There happens
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: to be a mechanism where you can determine how somebody
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: will vote on something and you go to the house
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: following there was this maybe I don't know if I
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: can find it quick enough.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Are you have to get to jazzper in a second?
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: Our intern okay, yeah, Liliana Franks, our Capitol Hill intern,
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: got Greg Meeks in the hallway twice and said, you know,
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: why are you why are you gonna punt this until
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: April looks like she has the votes and and he says, well,
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: you go talk to these Republicans. Go go talk to them,
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: and you come back and tell me if they're going
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: to vote for it. And so she's like, well, Mace
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: David sent a MESSI like they all say they're going
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: to vote for it. He's like, a whatever, Go go
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: ask him again, Go ask him again. They just don't
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: want to vote until the war's over.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they know.
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: Their argument is we want to win and we're not
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: sure that we have the votes yet, and we want
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: to be sure so people can decide for themselves how
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: credible they think that is and what why they think
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: all of a sudden mid April they're going to have
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: the votes, Like what if you haven't even talked to
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: Mace yet, Like what, yeah, what do you what are
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: you doing between now in mid.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: April to secure anyone's votes?
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Things? Yeah, what are you doing? Yeah?
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: Musk's his interest, Jared Musk was he was the one
• 42:34
  Speaker 6: of the first opponents of this, and they came around
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: to it, and then he announced on Wednesday that his
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: wife was having routine surgery and he wasn't going to
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: be in Washington again until like mid April.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: M It's like, hm, hmmm, well he has a primary challenger,
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: so he maybe feeling the heat shouting to Oliver Larkin.
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: Indeed, all right, sure, it looks like it's not going
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: to happen unless there's like a furious pressure today, it's
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: like it's not going to happen.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, on that note, let's get to Jasper Nathaniel,
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: who's going to give us some updates on the West
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Bank Jazz.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: How's it going? Hey?
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: Good jazz resources independent journalists and author of the Infinite
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: Jazz sub stack and great friend of the show and
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: great friend of drop site. Great to see you, Jazzer,
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: you too, So just start by giving us a little
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: bit of an update. Obviously, there's ongoing terror campaigns from
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: settlers back by the Israeli government in the West Bank,
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: but there's been a recent spike in violence.
• 43:39
  Speaker 9: What is the latest, Well, the latest is that the
• 43:46
  Speaker 9: settlers are doing what they're being told by their government.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Basically.
• 43:52
  Speaker 10: You know that this spike in settler violence, it started
• 43:55
  Speaker 10: years ago. It started actually before October seventh, when this
• 43:58
  Speaker 10: new government came in and had all these settlers like
• 44:02
  Speaker 10: Smotrich and Ben Givier in these leadership positions who immediately
• 44:05
  Speaker 10: empowered the settlers. Then after October seventh they started using
• 44:10
  Speaker 10: you know, security justifications and started arming and deploying settlers
• 44:16
  Speaker 10: as sort of like what they called a regional defense battalions.
• 44:19
  Speaker 10: I would say the latest surge comes with the start
• 44:23
  Speaker 10: of the new war in Iran, where I mean, it's
• 44:27
  Speaker 10: hard to say if the settlers feel that people are
• 44:30
  Speaker 10: not watching them. I think it's more just a sort
• 44:33
  Speaker 10: of like gingoistic feeling of you know, israelis fighting, so
• 44:38
  Speaker 10: we're gonna do some more fighting now. But the very
• 44:42
  Speaker 10: latest explosion in violence in just the last week actually
• 44:48
  Speaker 10: came after a young settler, an eighteen year old settler,
• 44:54
  Speaker 10: was killed in some sort of a car accident or
• 44:59
  Speaker 10: potentially a car ramming attack. And so, but I think
• 45:04
  Speaker 10: the details of what happened here are really important because basically,
• 45:08
  Speaker 10: these two young settlers set out from an outpost to
• 45:11
  Speaker 10: go on what they call a land patrol. Now, to
• 45:15
  Speaker 10: understand what a land patrol is first helps to understand
• 45:18
  Speaker 10: what is this outpost. So if you go to the
• 45:21
  Speaker 10: outpost's crowdfunding page where they raise money, including from the
• 45:25
  Speaker 10: family of the boy who the young man who was killed,
• 45:28
  Speaker 10: it says explicitly they are there to be the spearhead
• 45:31
  Speaker 10: of activities that are meant to expel Palestinians from the
• 45:35
  Speaker 10: land and spread Jewish presence across the West Bank. And so,
• 45:39
  Speaker 10: you know, the settlers don't hide the fact that when
• 45:41
  Speaker 10: they build these outposts it is for the explicit goal
• 45:44
  Speaker 10: of expelling Palestinians and you know, just creating Jewish territory.
• 45:50
  Speaker 10: At the funeral of the young man who was killed,
• 45:53
  Speaker 10: a friend of his said the same thing.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: He said.
• 45:55
  Speaker 10: You know, Yehuda was on a strategic mission, one of
• 45:58
  Speaker 10: the most important missions for Israel, to expel Palestinians from
• 46:01
  Speaker 10: the land. And when you listen to the settler leaders
• 46:04
  Speaker 10: when they talk about what these land patrols are for,
• 46:08
  Speaker 10: it is again it's not to you know, maintain stability
• 46:13
  Speaker 10: or keep the peace. They say, we are out there
• 46:16
  Speaker 10: trying to generate friction. In other words, they are trying
• 46:20
  Speaker 10: to incite a response from the Palestinians that they will
• 46:23
  Speaker 10: then use to justify a sort of massive show of force.
• 46:27
  Speaker 10: And so this young man was killed on Saturday. It's
• 46:32
  Speaker 10: unclear to be fair. I mean, I've looked at all
• 46:35
  Speaker 10: the evidence and it's just impossible to say right now
• 46:38
  Speaker 10: if it was in fact an accident or if it
• 46:39
  Speaker 10: was a raming attack. But even if we assume that
• 46:42
  Speaker 10: it was a raming attack, that is what the settlers
• 46:45
  Speaker 10: are out there agitating for, is to be attacked in
• 46:49
  Speaker 10: some way to then justify exactly what happened after, which
• 46:52
  Speaker 10: was that the settler leaders all came out and started
• 46:56
  Speaker 10: explicitly calling for revenge for the murder of Yehuda, the
• 47:00
  Speaker 10: one who his own father at his funeral called him
• 47:03
  Speaker 10: a sacrifice for the settlement movement. So now they all
• 47:06
  Speaker 10: go and call for revenge. Smotrich actually goes up at
• 47:09
  Speaker 10: the funeral and he says, specifically, we will now settle
• 47:12
  Speaker 10: all of Juday and Samaria. We are going to erase
• 47:15
  Speaker 10: the letters of the Oslo Accords as an areas, A,
• 47:17
  Speaker 10: B and C. And then what follows is the settlers
• 47:20
  Speaker 10: go and follow that command. They go out and they
• 47:23
  Speaker 10: start creating new outposts, they go into areas A, B
• 47:25
  Speaker 10: and C. And in doing this they're attacking Palestinians. Just yesterday,
• 47:29
  Speaker 10: settlers who were setting up a new outpost shot and
• 47:32
  Speaker 10: killed a Palestinian. And so, you know, there's this sort
• 47:37
  Speaker 10: of line that people say, which is like the Israeli
• 47:40
  Speaker 10: government is enabling this violence or they're not cracking down
• 47:44
  Speaker 10: on the violence. But that is actually really understating it,
• 47:47
  Speaker 10: because they are directly coordinating it, they are funding it,
• 47:52
  Speaker 10: they are arming it, and ultimately like it is a
• 47:55
  Speaker 10: state project. And so the settlers, you know, sometimes they're
• 48:00
  Speaker 10: auctions become two grotesque for even sort of israel supporters
• 48:05
  Speaker 10: to defend, and they come out and they condemn it.
• 48:08
  Speaker 10: But then the next day quietly below the headlines. Israel
• 48:12
  Speaker 10: is sending money to these illegal outposts, it is retroactively
• 48:16
  Speaker 10: legalizing them. So to answer your question, Crystal in a
• 48:19
  Speaker 10: more succinct way, what we're seeing is an explosion in
• 48:24
  Speaker 10: settler violence, exactly as the settlement movement is designed and
• 48:27
  Speaker 10: planned at the highest levels of the Israeli government.
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: And you mentioned the alphabet and the Oslo of course,
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: wanted to put this up really quickly description here. In
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: the past twenty four hours, you know, five new settlement
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: outposts were erected, three in Area A, one in Area B,
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: one in Area C, deliberate placement where once the Oslo
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: Cords drew lines no more. And so the message is
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: delivered plainly. The National Court of Justice has spoken, the
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: finding is clear, Israel's presence is unlawful. The response is clear,
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: still it will not be complied with, It will not
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: be enforced. So what are these like? What these settlements
• 49:00
  Speaker 6: look like? You know, what can you and heer it?
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: Maybe I can like and maybe I can put this
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: up while you're talking, but like, can you explain to
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: people what this area A, B, and C are and
• 49:11
  Speaker 6: why it's significant that they're planning to wipe.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: It out and maybe Jasper also like what it looks
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: like if you're what it physically is like for people
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: going between.
• 49:22
  Speaker 10: And yeah, so Area AB and seats from the Oslo
• 49:25
  Speaker 10: Accords or the Oslo two Accords actually in the mid
• 49:28
  Speaker 10: early and mid nineties, and the idea was was the
• 49:32
  Speaker 10: West Bank remained Palestinian land under a Israeli military occupation,
• 49:38
  Speaker 10: so it was not transferring ownership of the land into
• 49:42
  Speaker 10: Israeli hands. What it was doing was dividing up the
• 49:45
  Speaker 10: West Bank in terms of who would administer and govern
• 49:49
  Speaker 10: different parts of it. And so Area A remained entirely
• 49:54
  Speaker 10: in the hands of the Palestinian Authority, which means that
• 49:59
  Speaker 10: the PA ostensibly has control over things like you know,
• 50:03
  Speaker 10: basic municipal functions like you know, waste management and you know,
• 50:07
  Speaker 10: paying the paying the salaries of public school teachers and
• 50:10
  Speaker 10: things like that, but also security as well. So Area
• 50:14
  Speaker 10: A traditionally has been off limits for Israeli settlers. Area
• 50:20
  Speaker 10: B is sort of a split. It's technically the administrative
• 50:24
  Speaker 10: function is is the Palestinian Authority. Security is a combination
• 50:29
  Speaker 10: of the IDF and the PA, and then Area CE
• 50:35
  Speaker 10: is entirely under Israeli control, even though there are lots
• 50:40
  Speaker 10: of Palestinians who live in Area See now for a
• 50:44
  Speaker 10: long time, these illegal outposts, which is basically when settlers
• 50:49
  Speaker 10: answer your question, Emily, it's when settlers peel off from
• 50:52
  Speaker 10: a settlement, they go into Palestinian land where there they
• 50:55
  Speaker 10: are not supposed to be, and they basically, you know,
• 50:58
  Speaker 10: planting is really flagged, put up a tent, you know,
• 51:01
  Speaker 10: bring in like a couple of containers, and if if
• 51:06
  Speaker 10: all goes to plan for them, it basically metastasizes and
• 51:09
  Speaker 10: it grows and more settlers move in and then eventually,
• 51:12
  Speaker 10: you know, they get they start getting money from the state,
• 51:16
  Speaker 10: and the idea would be that at some point the
• 51:20
  Speaker 10: state actually retroactively recognizes it as a legal formal settlement.
• 51:25
  Speaker 10: And so you know, that's important because the message to
• 51:31
  Speaker 10: these these settlers who are breaking Israeli law by going
• 51:34
  Speaker 10: out and creating outposts is if you stick it out
• 51:37
  Speaker 10: for long enough, we will authorize you and turn you
• 51:40
  Speaker 10: into a real settlement and you'll start getting money and
• 51:43
  Speaker 10: funds and you know, construction paid for by the state
• 51:46
  Speaker 10: and armed and so the project of expelling Palestinians from
• 51:53
  Speaker 10: Area See and turning it into into all Jewish Land
• 51:56
  Speaker 10: has been remarkably successful in the last couple of years basically,
• 52:01
  Speaker 10: and so what you're seeing now is the settlers are
• 52:04
  Speaker 10: setting their sites higher, and they're going into areas B
• 52:07
  Speaker 10: and even more notably into Area A, where traditionally they
• 52:10
  Speaker 10: did not go at all. And again, you know, this
• 52:14
  Speaker 10: is explicitly what the highest members of the government have
• 52:20
  Speaker 10: been calling for them to do. It is and it's
• 52:22
  Speaker 10: also not just what they've been calling for them to do.
• 52:24
  Speaker 10: In February, you may or remember, there were these cabinet
• 52:27
  Speaker 10: decisions that said that these really military is now allowed
• 52:30
  Speaker 10: to go into areas A and B for things like
• 52:36
  Speaker 10: you know, environmental protection and you know, protecting heritage. So
• 52:40
  Speaker 10: they have already created all these sort of formal pretenses
• 52:45
  Speaker 10: for the military to be able to go into areas
• 52:47
  Speaker 10: A and B. And now the settlers are following suit,
• 52:50
  Speaker 10: and they are fulfilling the plan of the of the
• 52:53
  Speaker 10: Smotritches of the world of just erasing the Osla lines
• 52:56
  Speaker 10: and taking over the entire West Bank.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: To that point, Jasper, the IDF chief, warned about some
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: of the thing to talk about here that the IDF
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: is on the verge of collapse. After nine hundred.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Straight days, of course, because reserves.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: Are being sent to Gaza, Lebanon, Syria West Bank and
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: there's no ultra orthodox conscription laws that have been passed.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: But also the cabinet has approved, like you said, legalization
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: of dozens of more outposts and farms in the West Bank,
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: requiring additional troops to protect them, as well as Jewish national.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Terrorism is surging there.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: So it seems like these West Bank expansions have been,
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: you know, draining what little.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Reserves they have left.
• 53:42
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, I think you know, your audience probably
• 53:45
  Speaker 10: knows that a lot of people basically attribute the the
• 53:51
  Speaker 10: ability of Hamas and other Pealstinian militants to so easily
• 53:54
  Speaker 10: break through the border with Gaza on October seventh. They
• 53:58
  Speaker 10: attribute that to the fact that so much of the
• 54:00
  Speaker 10: IDF was in the West Bank protecting settlements. And it
• 54:04
  Speaker 10: should be said that the military, the IDEF is actually
• 54:08
  Speaker 10: obligated to protect settlers wherever they go in the West Bank,
• 54:12
  Speaker 10: and so you know, it to be to be fair
• 54:15
  Speaker 10: to the IDF. I mean, there are I have I
• 54:18
  Speaker 10: have encountered foot soldiers there, not necessarily like commanders, but
• 54:22
  Speaker 10: I've encountered people on the ground who basically at least
• 54:26
  Speaker 10: they seem like they can't stand the settlers because they
• 54:29
  Speaker 10: are causing problems for them. They're constantly going into Palestinian
• 54:33
  Speaker 10: villages and then it's just a hassle for the soldiers
• 54:36
  Speaker 10: to have to go and defend them. And it's not
• 54:39
  Speaker 10: to say that, you know, this is because they're benevolent
• 54:41
  Speaker 10: and they care about the Palestinians, but like it's a
• 54:43
  Speaker 10: pain in the ass for them. They're causing them problems.
• 54:46
  Speaker 10: But what's happening now with the military is that, you know,
• 54:49
  Speaker 10: the higher levels of the military, what's called the Central Command,
• 54:53
  Speaker 10: which oversees the West Bank, is now becoming more ideologically
• 54:56
  Speaker 10: aligned with the settler movement, and so there is much
• 54:59
  Speaker 10: less resistance to go and you know, defend these settlers
• 55:02
  Speaker 10: when they go off on these little excursions to create
• 55:05
  Speaker 10: outposts across areas A.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: B and C.
• 55:08
  Speaker 10: You know, in the case of.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: The who who was.
• 55:13
  Speaker 10: That Griffin who said that? Was that Zamir or was
• 55:15
  Speaker 10: that Avi Bluth?
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: Let me let me try to look into that while
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: you talk. I guess the chief of staff.
• 55:23
  Speaker 10: Okay, yeah, I think that was Zamir. I mean, he
• 55:26
  Speaker 10: has sort of taken a position of you know, being
• 55:30
  Speaker 10: he's one of these guys that comes down and condemns
• 55:32
  Speaker 10: the settler final Zamir and yeah, and that is, you know,
• 55:37
  Speaker 10: like the politically expedient thing to do, both on the
• 55:40
  Speaker 10: national and the international or mostly on the international level,
• 55:43
  Speaker 10: because people don't like, in general to see these videos
• 55:46
  Speaker 10: of these sort of feral masked settlers, you know, beating
• 55:51
  Speaker 10: innocent Palestinians. He takes this position that it's a.
• 55:54
  Speaker 6: Preim and her jasper is that a lot of these
• 55:56
  Speaker 6: kids are coming out of the foster care program and
• 55:59
  Speaker 6: kind of being groomed into just then becoming violent. These
• 56:03
  Speaker 6: what did you discover while you're over there about these
• 56:06
  Speaker 6: kids like so often looks like fifteen, sixteen, seventeen year
• 56:09
  Speaker 6: old just angry adolescent, like lunatic, like crazy looking kids.
• 56:16
  Speaker 10: Well, they're all over the map, I mean some of
• 56:18
  Speaker 10: them are. You know, we're troubled kids in Israel who
• 56:22
  Speaker 10: were basically adopted by an outpost that had registered itself
• 56:26
  Speaker 10: as some sort of a foster home, and then they
• 56:29
  Speaker 10: become they're you know, basically conscripted into this this holy
• 56:32
  Speaker 10: war on Palestinians, which I think we could all agree
• 56:35
  Speaker 10: is basically child abuse. But some of them are homegrown exactly,
• 56:40
  Speaker 10: some of them are homegrown. I mean Yahudah Sherman, the boy,
• 56:43
  Speaker 10: the eighteen year old who was killed his father, just
• 56:46
  Speaker 10: did an interview with the set on our newspaper where
• 56:48
  Speaker 10: he was boasting about the fact that when he was
• 56:50
  Speaker 10: eleven years old, he was going out on his own
• 56:52
  Speaker 10: into the hills to reinforce them. So we're talking about
• 56:55
  Speaker 10: an eleven year old whose parents, whose parents are sending
• 56:59
  Speaker 10: him out to do land patrols, which again is you know,
• 57:03
  Speaker 10: ultimately to provoke Palestinians into a violent response. And so
• 57:07
  Speaker 10: you know, a lot of these guys that you see
• 57:10
  Speaker 10: and like I've encountered lots of settlers on you know,
• 57:12
  Speaker 10: land patrols. What it basically means is it's like it's
• 57:16
  Speaker 10: like when when me and my and my brother were
• 57:18
  Speaker 10: young and that you know, I would get right in
• 57:20
  Speaker 10: his face and like go like this and be like
• 57:22
  Speaker 10: I'm not touching you. I'm not touching you, and you
• 57:24
  Speaker 10: wait for him to respond and then you can say
• 57:26
  Speaker 10: he hit me. I mean that that is literally what
• 57:28
  Speaker 10: they are doing. And and and again it makes sense
• 57:32
  Speaker 10: when you think about it, is like these are punks
• 57:34
  Speaker 10: these are you know, troubled kids who you know were
• 57:36
  Speaker 10: not raised right basically that's what they're out there doing.
• 57:39
  Speaker 10: And then eventually listen, like you know, Smochritz grew up
• 57:43
  Speaker 10: as one of these kids, so did Ben Givier. And
• 57:45
  Speaker 10: you know, I don't think we're going to excuse what
• 57:47
  Speaker 10: they've become now, but I mean it's it's just to
• 57:49
  Speaker 10: say that like this has been their entire lives. They
• 57:52
  Speaker 10: they are are born and raised in this environment where
• 57:56
  Speaker 10: like you said, they're child soldiers basically.
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: Well, Jessper I was going to ask because I think
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: think this is one of the interesting undercurrents that doesn't
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: get enough attention. You mentioned how there's more ideological alignment
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: within the IDF and the settler movement, and wanted to
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: ask if you can tell us a little bit of
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: like just give us more background on that, like why
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: has that happened recently? Why does it seem like that's
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: grown recently.
• 58:17
  Speaker 10: Yeah, well, well just to sort of take a step back,
• 58:20
  Speaker 10: I mean, you know, the idea as like an institution.
• 58:22
  Speaker 10: Think of it as an you know, an institution, the
• 58:24
  Speaker 10: same way that like the US, the Pentagon is its
• 58:28
  Speaker 10: own sort of institution distinct from you know, the executive
• 58:31
  Speaker 10: in some ways. So as an institution, it has not
• 58:34
  Speaker 10: always been ideologically aligned with the settlement movement. And in fact,
• 58:38
  Speaker 10: for decades there were open clashes between soldiers and settlers
• 58:43
  Speaker 10: in the West Bank because the soldiers were interested in
• 58:46
  Speaker 10: ruling with an iron fist and sort of maintaining stability
• 58:51
  Speaker 10: in the West Bank, whereas the settlers were, like I said,
• 58:53
  Speaker 10: agitating for war, and so there were actual fights. You know,
• 58:57
  Speaker 10: there's these videos you see of settlers going in like
• 59:00
  Speaker 10: tearing down excuse me, soldiers going and tearing down outposts
• 59:03
  Speaker 10: and the settlers throwing tantrums and fighting back. Over the years,
• 59:08
  Speaker 10: I mean that still happens from time to time, I
• 59:10
  Speaker 10: should say, but the leadership of the military have been installed,
• 59:17
  Speaker 10: as you know, they've been handpicked as people who are
• 59:20
  Speaker 10: aligned with the settler movement. So, you know, Smotrich that
• 59:24
  Speaker 10: what he did to basically fement this was he installed
• 59:29
  Speaker 10: himself in the Defense Ministry. He created a new position
• 59:33
  Speaker 10: he called Additional Minister in the Ministry of Defense. He then,
• 59:38
  Speaker 10: within the Defense Ministry created something called the Settlement Administration,
• 59:42
  Speaker 10: and what it was was basically a shadow government to
• 59:45
  Speaker 10: oversee the West Bank still within the auspices of the
• 59:49
  Speaker 10: military because it's a military occupation, so by international law
• 59:54
  Speaker 10: it has to be governed by the military. So now
• 59:56
  Speaker 10: you have the Settlement Administration, which is technical a branch
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 10: of the Defense Department of the Defense Ministry, which is
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 10: overseen by an extremist, ideological settler Smotrich. And he has
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 10: just installed his cronies into all these positions of power there,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 10: and that has seeped into the actual like the Central Command,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 10: to the fighting arm of the military as well. And
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 10: so you know, like Avi Blute is an interesting character.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 10: He is the head of the Central Command, which basically
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 10: means he's like the general in charge of the West Bank.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 10: He is one of these guys that is constantly coming
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 10: out and condemning the violent settlers.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: He always makes a big show of it.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 10: In fact, like a week ago he sent a letter
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 10: basically saying how the violent settlers were putting all of
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 10: Israel at risk. What he's doing quietly behind the scenes
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 10: is this was reported from within the military in an
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 10: Israeli paper.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: In why Net.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 10: He has a henchman, a guy who reports directly to
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 10: him that goes and vis it's these outposts. When they're formed.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 10: He works directly with the leader of the outposts to
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 10: make sure they have an armed guard, to make sure
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 10: they have the logistical support that they need, and to
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 10: basically help them map out how they're going to expand
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 10: and how they will have, you know, reinforcements from the military.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 10: And so it's all this, you know, sort of you know,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 10: out of one side of their mouth they condemned the violence.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 10: Out of the other side, they're working directly with the
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 10: settlers to help them expand, and you know, it's it's
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 10: cuterbly just a state project.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: Well, speaking of condemning the violence, me and Ryan have
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: been wondering online over this week American politicians have all
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: of a sudden started condemning the West Bank violence. We've
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: been seeing Zionists, liberal Zionists, Democrat politicians and all sorts
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: of people over the last week or so come out
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: and say, these West Bank settlers have to stop, we
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: have to condemn this violence. And even people that are
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: very staunch Zionists, people like Emily Schrader and others who
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: are you know, the the talking heads on Pierce Morgan
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: that have been laundering so much of the Israeli genocide
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: They're like, no, this is actually where we stopped. It
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: seems like some sort of like call went out that
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: this is the time to talk about it. And I
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: don't know if Ryan, if you want to add any
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: more to that point.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you got Richie Torres, Stan Goldman, and then a
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 6: Pack itself, after a couple of days, put out its
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 6: own statement saying this has to stop. This is outrageous
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 6: in such a way that before a Pack came out
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 6: with its statement, people were like, oh, this seems coordinated,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 6: Like a memo went out like it is time to
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 6: do a ritual round of denouncing of settlers. And then
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 6: APAC came out and go there, yeah there was the memo. Yeah,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 6: so yeah, how do you how do you how how
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 6: do we understand this round of denunciations from Richie Torres
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 6: and others who who you know, have said that any
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 6: you know, criticisan of Israel's anti semitic.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: Yet here here they come like what's going on here?
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 10: So I'm just going to come out and say, like,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 10: I'm not convinced it was coordinated. I mean, it's certainly
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 10: possible that it was, but it's actually not. It's actually
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 10: nothing new that you know, liberal Zionists, particularly Democrats, will
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 10: condemn settler violence.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: And a good point. You didn't have a whole lot
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: of Republican Zionists.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: Russian Christians I saw, like I saw Rodreer and some
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: other Christians come out.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 10: But well, I mean, look, I mean what they're what
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 10: liberal Zionism is is sort of you know, the one
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 10: of the tenets that it's built on is the idea
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 10: of a two state solution.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: Being the you know, the solution to this. To have
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: a two state solution.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 10: You obviously need the West Bank to be part of
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 10: the Palestinian state, or at least part of the West
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 10: Bank to be the Palestinian state. The settlers from the
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 10: very beginning, from you know, sixty seven and certainly up
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 10: to the present are just shouting as loud as I
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 10: can there will never be a Palestinian state here, and
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 10: we are going to make sure of that by creating
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 10: facts on the ground, by you know, building settlements across
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 10: the West Bank. And so what they're doing is just
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 10: like literally, you know, they're going to the people who
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 10: are saying there's going to be a two state solution,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 10: and they're like, yeah, just just try try us. And
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 10: so you know, when you think about it like that,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 10: the settlement movement, not even just the violence settlers, but
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 10: the settlement movement as a whole, is a really big
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 10: political problem for liberal Zionists because they are you know,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 10: precluding the opportunity for the two state solution, which which
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 10: liberal Zionism depends on. And so it's it's not that
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 10: difficult of a position to come out and condemn you know,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 10: these violent settlers who are just like viscerally, you know,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 10: we don't like looking at them, we don't like seeing
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 10: what they're doing. And politically, they are you know, trying
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 10: to trying to wipe out the possibility of this two
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 10: state solution once the two state solution is off the table,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 10: which I think materially it is, but you know, it's
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 10: still sort of you know, used as a rhetorical and
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 10: political tool. But once it's off the table, it's much
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 10: more difficult to just sort of unconditionally support Israel. And so,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 10: you know, I think that you know, Dan Goldman or
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 10: Richie Torres, when they come out and condemn settler violence,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 10: what they're basically doing is like releasing, you know, pressure
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 10: from this machine that allows them to just provide unconditional
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 10: support for Israel. This is their sort of plausible deniability,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 10: their way of saying like, well, we're not going to
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 10: defend you know, the worst of what they're doing. You know,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 10: we still need to you know, have an idea of
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 10: a two state solution in order to take our pro
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 10: Israel positions. And so I think, I mean, to me,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 10: it looked kind of like a chain reaction. I mean,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 10: the videos were getting really bad, and one guy came
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 10: out and condemned it, and then another one, and then
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 10: the Israeli leaders started condemning, and then Apac came out
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 10: and did it. It's certainly possible there was a memo,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 10: but it should just be said that, like, this is
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 10: not actually new. I mean, the settlement movement is generally
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 10: not supported even by liberal Zionists in America. The problem is,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 10: you know, these people are not willing to actually do
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 10: what needs to be done to put a stop to it,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 10: which would be, you know, an ultimatum to the Israeli
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 10: government unless you you know, stop funding the settlers, unless
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 10: you start evacuating these outposts, and in my mind, it
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 10: would be evacuating you know, hundreds of thousands of settlers actually,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 10: unless you do that you're not getting another dollar from us,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 10: but they're not going to do that. Instead, what the
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 10: Goldmans and the Richie torres Is do is keep on
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 10: telling the Israeli government, the ones who are behind the
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 10: settlement movement, to get the settlers in line, which is
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 10: just you know, ridiculous on its face.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's also like, I mean, I think the
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: reason me and Ryan felt it was maybe slightly more
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: coordinated this time is because there was new faces doing it,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: like I think we had was it. Chris Cuomo came
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: out and was like w TF, and it's like where
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: you been man? Like this has been going on for
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: quite a while. And then like I mentioned Emily Schrader, uh,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: and it's it's there's kind of just a dissonance between
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: you know, like what you're willing to defend and allow.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, she said this is wrong, but then you know,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: I do have her husband here in Israel posing with
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: some of the rapists from the set Town prison rape riot,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: where they're you know, bringing them on and showing them
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: around on Israeli TV.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: So you know, it's interesting.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 10: This is to me, it's like, yeah, I mean that
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 10: is it's almost I mean, it's sort of a perfect
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 10: illustration of the way that a good liberal Zionist will
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 10: you come out and say one thing and then go
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 10: and do another. Because if you are supporting the Israeli
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 10: government in any way right now, just to be you know,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 10: very clear about it, if you're supporting the Israeli government,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 10: you're supporting completely lawless, you know, rogue government that is
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 10: supporting these violent militias who are who have complete impunity.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 10: They have arms from the government, they have money, they
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 10: have housing, they have tax subsidies, they get everything they
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 10: need from the government, who are going out and committing
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 10: this violence, and so like it is. It is really just.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 10: I mean, the reason frankly that I often appreciate the
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 10: settlers so much just from a sort of reporting perspective,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 10: is because they don't hide these things. They just come
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 10: out and say it. I mean, it's it's amazing to watch.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 10: Like Leo Liebovitz, who is an editor at large for Tablet,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 10: which at one time was a sort of you know,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 10: nominally respectable Jewish publication, wrote this long post where he
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 10: basically said, you know, the settler violence is really a
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 10: response to Palestinian aggression, and the settlers, on the other
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 10: hand are like, no, no, We're going into their communities
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 10: and provoking them and trying to get them to be
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 10: violent towards us.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: And the Louis Throw documentary that came out last year
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: just had some like incredible moments.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 10: I mean, I have so many, just like I mean
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 10: when you when you. I had a settler say to
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 10: me a couple of years ago when I was I
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 10: was telling him about my own experience in this town
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 10: called Sebastia where the soldiers came in and were just
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 10: completely belligerent, like shooting into the air and into the ground,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 10: you know, pointing their weapons at us, throwing us around.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 10: And I asked him like, do you think that that
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 10: is helpful? Like, do you think that that is, you know,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 10: helping to maintain stability? And what he said to me was,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 10: do you think that it was helpful for the US
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 10: military to go into Iraq and you know, make sure
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 10: that you know they were not able to, you know,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 10: use a nuclear weapon on the United States? And I
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 10: thought that he was actually taking my side for a second,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 10: and then I realized the point he was making was
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 10: that it's good that the US military was in Iraq
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 10: because then we were able to stop them from you know,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 10: launching their nuclear weapon, and so you know, that is
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 10: the reality that they're living in, one in which, like
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 10: you need to be in all of these Palestinian communities,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 10: you know, terrorizing people and roughing them up to make
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 10: sure that they can't launch their imaginary you know, in
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 10: the case of Iraq, their imaginary nuclear weapon at us.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 10: In the case of these many times quiet Palestinian communities,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 10: like there's there's no armed resistance there whatsoever. So it's
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 10: just entirely they are there to you know, be a
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 10: permanent military occupation and to to terrorize people.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: All Right, well, Jasper, thank you so much for giving
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: us the download on all of that, and for staying
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: on top of this topic for us.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 6: Where can more people Crystal had Crystal had to run
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 6: to something else. She was not angered.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: Just to be clear, Crystal left to go settle the
• 1:11:19
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• 1:11:20
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  Speaker 3: over there in just a moment. All right, what's up? Dorks? Uh,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: that's gonna lead right into this first clip here on
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: this side of the show.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: You gotta get fired for that.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: Apparently, apparently Maga is dorks now. According to one Joseph Rogan,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 2: Praise make America great again.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 11: I don't care, like, first of all, America is great,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 11: make America greater. I'm down, but make America great again.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 11: And then it becomes a movement of a bunch of
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 11: fucking dorks. There's a lot, a lot of these really weird, fucking, uninteresting,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 11: unintelligent people that have got something they cling to. And
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 11: there's a lot of people that are just real, genuine
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 11: patriots and they're all lumped into this one group and
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 11: you got accept the dorks too. Fuck that.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: I can't tell you how funny this is, Emily, where
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: on the roster of MAGA do you think Joe Rogan
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: has encountered the dork Maga?
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: Like, who do you think he's referring to? There?
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: Well, what's so funny about this? Is a year ago
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: when doge was happening, Maga was cool on the top
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: of the world. Yes, Yes, New York Magazine was framing
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: MAGA as the quote cruel kids club, and that birthed
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: a million think pieces about how conservatives became cool. And
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you as somebody who sat through dozens of
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: panels about how like at Seapack over the years, about
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: how to make conservatives cool? That always made you want
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: to die. I have so many stories about this, but
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: it was an obsession of the right for years about
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: how they couldn't own culture and how the right could
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: be ever perceived as cool. Did it matter or not?
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: Should the right get into Hollywood? Everyone like, oh the
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: the what is it the Lincoln Society of Conservative Hollywood.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: We've got some people in there, they've infiltrated. I can't
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: tell you how funny it is to see that all
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: come crashing down because it was built on the Maga
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: House of Cards, the like Trump House of Cards, that
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: the Trump had this vibe shift post Butler where it
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: was real, like it actually that was genuinely real. All
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: of these like different people were like that guy's a badass.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: And there was like six months where MAGA was at
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: the top of the world because the American people were
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: so sick of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. Democrats had
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: this like ailing well octagenarian almost octagenarian as the President
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: of United States who couldn't complete a sentence, and JE
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: supposed with that. Yeah, Trump and Elon Musk, to some people,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: seemed cool and younger people post COVID were interested in
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: different ideas. And I was sitting back watching this thinking
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: for the Republican Party, that's not sustainable. That's just not sustainable,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: because I don't even think it's sustainable for any political party.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: We all remember when Obama came into office on the
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: hope and change mantle and we look back on that
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: ten years literally or fifteen years later, and it's like
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: those guys were a bunch of dorks and rock the
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: vote shirts like politics is you'll have to well, it's
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: dorky because people have to now put on team jerseys.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: When you're putting on team jerseys, it makes you not
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: cool because that means you're going to obscure the truth
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: and you're not going to be interested in like transparency.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: And this is an era of very low institutional trust,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: so repping an institution is not going to be cool. Ever. Ever,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: I just don't understand why. I don't know. I mean,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: I know, did people really think Mago was cool? Honestly? God, Like,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: that's a real questions.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: To be what do you who do you think it is?
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 7: Ryan?
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: Who do you think Joe is being triggered by? Here?
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: Is it the cash Battel hockey locker room video? Is
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: it the White House government tweets like where where does
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: Rogan finding this?
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 12: Door?
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 8: Factor?
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: Bro?
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 6: The irony, of course, is that my mind goes immediately
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 6: to Elon Musk.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like the one guy he still likes.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 6: Maybe it's cash Battel, And it's like chugging his bud
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 6: light or whatever. Maybe I don't I don't know, but yeah,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 6: what's going on? Is he like I saw a clip
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 6: from Seapack where you got right here roll that one.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, are we talking about this young kid?
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, this guy just doing the same thing.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but and this guy visually this is central casting
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: for dork So let's hear direct from the dorks.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: I just I get the vibe.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 8: A lot of people I knew who just wrote.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 12: To Trump because I thought it was cool in like
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 12: high school, are just now just being like.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So this is it was transgressive against the
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: dominant culture of the time, which was, as Ryan wrote
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: about an elephant in the zoom, was this increasingly rigid
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: ideological conformity pushed by you know everywhere from Wall Street
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: with ESG to the media referring to people as against
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: their will as Latin X. And so it was it
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: was transgressive to support Trump. And so I guess, to
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: answer my own question, there's a moment where that could
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: have been perceived as like genuinely cool because there was
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: something like again subversive anti establishment. Whether or not you
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: believe that, you know, Trump ended up getting inaugurated with
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: all of the tech CEOs behind him, which the question
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: at the time in my mind is is this him
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: saying I have conquered you or is this him saying
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: you have conquered meat? And we know how it turned out.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: And if you know anything about politics, you probably could
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: have guessed how it turned out. But I think there
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: was for a lot of young people who were around
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: in the COVID period and like culture cultural taste makers
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: who are around in the COVID period, this moment where
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: there was Catharsis and Griffin you would know about these vibes.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: Like in California there was this and you're probably in
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: New York at the time, but like you could there
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: was this something that was like artistic Catharsis to be
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: found in Trump being the most unusual, like unusual place
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: to project that onto. Uh.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that's a whole other bag of worms.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: Has to deal with a lot of like specific entertainment
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: industry issues. But yeah, I mean, where where does this
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: go now that they're not cool anymore? I'm not sure.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: And I'm specifically interested in in Rogan and and you know,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: Rogan's a little late to this because there's a few
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: other people whose fingers were a little more to the
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: wind on this. Andrew Schultz has been coming out sort
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: of against the Trump movement a little bit quicker and
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: people like that. So we'll be interesting to see where
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: these guys go next. And is it then are they?
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if they're gonna flip or
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: if a lot of these guys are just gonna remove
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: themselves from politics, because like if it's like another Democratic
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: standard bearer, I don't see them being like, oh now
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: this is counterculture.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: I think they're just not gonna vote. Now, what do
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: you think Ryan.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 6: Well Fuentes is telling is people to vote democratics? Oh right,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 6: mess with them. Yeah, Like, what's so amazing is that
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 6: Trump did all of this to himself. Right now, Right now,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 6: we're seeing some like catastrophically hot weather and we're looking
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 6: at maybe you know, uh, historic drought conditions, you know,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 6: throughout much of the Mountain west and then southwest. So
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 6: like we're there's gonna be external pressure on the Trump administration.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 6: But other than that, he's had a remarkably smooth glide
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 6: through this first year. Plus all of the problems that
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 6: he has, either the chaos around the tariffs, the multiple
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 6: wars like the you know, ice violence around the country,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 6: Like these are all the product of his decisions. This
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 6: is not a Katrina that he's you know, failing to
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 6: respond to effectively. It's his own stuff, which which to
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 6: me makes him a kind of uniquely bad president. Like
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 6: he's mishandling the crises that he is producing. And so yeah,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 6: people are like, all right, you know this is not cool,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 6: Like this is not transgressive, like this is actually making
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 6: my life much more difficult. In our poll a week ago,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 6: we had half the country was saying that they thought
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 6: the Iron War would make their life more difficult. And
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 6: that was a week ago. I think you probablyst see
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 6: sixty seventy percent at this point. Now gas in DC
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 6: is up to like four fifty. A lot of people
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 6: are looking at oil prices, but like what people care
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 6: about is what that what the number says at the pump,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 6: and then how that filters through prices when it comes
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 6: to you know, plastic grocery prices, which are heavily fueled
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 6: by you know, the price plastic actually, and then we're
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 6: going to if we start seeing shortages of stuff like
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 6: COVID styles shortages but not driven by an external event
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 6: like COVID driven by Trump's own decision.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: So yeah, my.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: Theory of this has always been that the right was
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: reading too much into the extent to which Rogan and
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: others rallying around Trump was much more anti left than
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: pro right. So it wasn't as though people were like,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 4: we love Liberation Day tariffs, we can't wait to be
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: liberated by these tariffs. We love mass deportations, we can't
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: wait to see them. It was more f that like,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: and this has been yeah, like the Seapack set, and
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: like I've literally spoken at Seapack and it's it's it's
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: even worse than it's ever been before. Like it's bad.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: It's like genuinely a sign that the conservative movement, the
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: energy has been sucked out of the conservative movement, just
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: as everyone thought the conservative movement had been inflated by
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: MAGA to its like record level of momentum and size,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: And that was always a mistake because so much of
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: what was pumping it up. We see this in the
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: debate over Israel. Meghan Kelly has pushed back. Who else
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: is pushed back on this MAGA label. I'm trying to
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: think of another good example, she said, I'm not Maga.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: I'm MAGA adjacent. I'm an independent. I've voted for both
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: parties and presidential elections my whole life. And I think
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: people were like lumping Rogan in with actual MAGA and
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: and Megan in with actual MAGA, and other people in
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: with actual Maga and assumed we won because now people
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: are they're all Mega. It's like, no, they're anti Left
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: more than they are Mega. That's the big priority that
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: drew people to them. So anyway, very anything out.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 6: New Fox Newspole has the country. You know, the country
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 6: was against the war, but kind of you know in
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 6: the beginning, the public is ready to support war in general.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 6: So the fact that he was only at like fifty
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 6: to fifty was not good news for him. New Fox
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 6: Newspole has fifty seven percent against forty one percent approving,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 6: So like he's even underwater on the war itself, on
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 6: the effects of the war, is way underwater.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I do also think there might be a
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk element to all of this, because Charlie was,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: for lack of a better word, like cool within the movement,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: and then when he was gone, there's been a lot
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: of uh woke scolding, a lot of arguments about his character,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: what he believed, what he didn't, and then the establishment
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: tried to replace him with brillain Hollyhamd.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: So the.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: Whatever the trajectory has been incredibly dorkish.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: Who was like going around campuses and being like it
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: is our mandate to support It's like a little Lindsey Graham.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just straight from his private jet or whatever. I
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: believe it was one of the videos. So yeah, they
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: haven't really had a lot of figures. And I really
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: do think the Cash Mattel thing has has tainted a
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: dorkiness outside of the Elon stuff to all of this.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: But I think this leads us perfectly to some of
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: our AMA questions that we'll get to really quickly. Right now,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: before we get to doctor abdul el sayed, someone asks, uh,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: this is chart dog asks what's up with the weird
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: Twitter posts from the White House account? And I mean,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: so for folks who have not been and paying attention
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: to the White House dot gov official Twitter account, there's
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: a vibe that I can only describe as school shooter adjacent,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: just like very vague aura, yes, very columbiney. Just they've
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: been posting these. If you're just listening to audio these
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: odd digitized photos of JD. Vans and Trump. I really
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: have no idea. What's going on? The movie on the couch? Okay, nice, No,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: it's from the City Union. You can catch it straight
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: from the digital I like that, Emily.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: No, someone else someone like you to do that. I
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 4: forget who it was. I would give them credit if
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: I had it.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: There's also been these bizarre like there's a bizarre like
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: three or four second video of people's feet in like
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: a room talking about a plan. Like there's these very
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: very bizarre posts, Emily, Like, what has the reaction been
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: on the conservative side?
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: Is this is this based trolling or is this just bizarre?
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: It's completely bizarre. Maybe it's also intended to be a
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 4: troll and they're going to do some big reveal. I'm
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: guessing that they're building up to some big reveal. I
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: have no idea, but I will say when they put
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: out that bowling video in the earlier days of the war,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: that was I just heard a lot of internal chit chaff,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 4: people being like, what the actual fuck is happening at
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 4: the social media team, even like on the right, people
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: were like, what the actual fuck is happening like that
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: is so even for our expectations of you know, this
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: administration on social media, the president himself posts the craziest
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: shit on social media. But even then, this was like
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: completely insane and shameful. So that definitely, I'm sure that
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: made its way up to the people who are doing this.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: I don't know who the people are doing this are,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: but I have no theory of the case other than
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: their trolling in some obscure way. That doesn't even matter
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 4: anymore because like, what are we going to do about it?
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: Be like, what's up with the weird social media posts?
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna change.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: Anything, all right?
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: This next one should be for Ryan. This comes from
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: Chase Leonard or Chase the Swift. Could an American private
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: company set up in Cuba and sell diesel to the.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: Hospitals and other medical facilities? No? You, no, you couldnt.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 6: They They guidelines that the Treasury Department has put out
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 6: say that any private business that imports that legally imports
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 6: gasoline or diesel cannot give it to cannot sell it
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 6: or give it to the public sector, like not allowed.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 6: So the best that you could you could have happen
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 6: is that enough private companies bring in oil and diesel
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 6: and that brings down the price and then somehow it
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 6: gets diverted to the hospitals, but they couldn't participate in
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 6: that legally. Now, this this Russian tanker is on its
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 6: way because I think Putin really likes to likes the
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 6: idea of not being the obvious bad guy mm hm.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 6: And so how many days out are we now? It's
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 6: you know, it's it's the anatotally Kalatkin. It's you know,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 6: so far it's still going and it's refusing to back down.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 6: So in Cuba, like everybody was talking about that. That's
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 6: how bleak it is. It's like people are like tracking,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 6: like where is this Russian tanker? Is it going to
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 6: make it? We don't, like, we don't know is it
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 6: going to turn back? But so we'll see. It's, you know,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 6: within days, we should know whether or not the US
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 6: is willing to like militarily confront this this oil tanker
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 6: that is planning to deliver oil to to Cuba.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, well, we're making Punin look like the good guy
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: Michigan accomplished.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: And that's not easily done.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: Yep, some say it could be done. Trump said, hold
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: my beer all right. Well, on that note, we've got
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: doctor Abdul l Sayad who's running for Senate in Michigan.
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  Speaker 6: Let the let it be all right, joining us now. Doctor
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  Speaker 6: Abdul el Sayed, Senate candidate in the Great State of Michigan,
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  Speaker 6: getting attention toward his campaign thanks to all of his other,
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  Speaker 6: you know, serious opponents in the race, APAK and some
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  Speaker 6: other groups all condemning a rally that he hosted this
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  Speaker 6: week with Hassan Piker, who I was just on a
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  Speaker 6: trip to Cuba with which so the kind of the
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 6: Hassan Piker denunciation cycle moved kind of seamlessly, you know,
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  Speaker 6: from denouncing everybody who to Cuba to now denouncing senate
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  Speaker 6: candidate and Michigan for campaigning with him. Doctor al said,
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  Speaker 6: thank you so much for being here. Really really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 13: Ran.
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  Speaker 12: It's always a pleasure to be with you all. And
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  Speaker 12: we have not hosted our rallies yet. There coming up
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  Speaker 12: at the University of Michigan and Michigan State and April seventh.
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  Speaker 12: I folks have not signed up. I hope you'll come.
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  Speaker 12: We also have representative summer lead. We're looking forward to it.
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  Speaker 6: What was the it was the announcement of the rally
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  Speaker 6: that got everybody angry, like where did it? Because you
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  Speaker 6: had actually announced it, I think, like a week earlier,
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  Speaker 6: So like, what was what was it that triggered this
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  Speaker 6: round of like viral like cancelation outrage?
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  Speaker 8: You know, I don't even know.
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  Speaker 12: And the point that you made in the first place
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  Speaker 12: is that we're talking about somebody whose job it is
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  Speaker 12: to talk to groups of people that you would think
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  Speaker 12: people running for public office would want to be talking to.
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  Speaker 8: They're the folks I want to be talking to.
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  Speaker 12: And a big frustration that we've often had is that
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  Speaker 12: too often the people who should be voting for Democrats
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  Speaker 12: are not showing up to elections at all, And the
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 12: question is where are we missing them? Why are we
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  Speaker 12: not able to move our message? Well, I think part
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  Speaker 12: of it is that too many politicians who don't have
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  Speaker 12: a message that these folks care about because they are
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  Speaker 12: on the wrong side of locking these same folks out.
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  Speaker 12: And on the other it's that we're not actually going
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  Speaker 12: to the places that these folks are. I mean, we
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  Speaker 12: remember the whole twenty twenty four discourse about whether or
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 12: not the vice president should have gone on Rogan. So
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  Speaker 12: my question is what is wrong with going and talking
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  Speaker 12: to a group of people who have been let down
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  Speaker 12: by our politics, cast aside by politicians who weren't talking
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  Speaker 12: to the issues that they're talking to. And I'll just
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  Speaker 12: say this, the logic of this is kind of crazy,
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  Speaker 12: given the fact that Hassan was invited to stream live
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  Speaker 12: from the DNC in twenty twenty four, and so I'm
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  Speaker 12: only doing what Vice President Harris did in the first place.
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  Speaker 12: I think the question that I would ask any of
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  Speaker 12: the folks who are so frustrated about this is why
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  Speaker 12: wasn't there so much more outrage when she did it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, until they kicked him out I think the third
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  Speaker 3: or fourth day. But that's a different story. There were
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  Speaker 3: some quotes here from Malior mcmarrow, who's running against you,
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  Speaker 3: about Hassan. To quote this from the Jewish Insider, she says,
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  Speaker 3: it is somebody who says extremely offensive things in order
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: to generate clicks us and followers, which is not entirely
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: different from somebody like Nick Flentes. That is not somebody
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  Speaker 3: you should be campaigning with at a moment when there's
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  Speaker 3: clearly a lot of pain and trauma across our state.
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  Speaker 2: How do you bring everybody together.
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  Speaker 3: When there are difficult conversations where there are easy answers,
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  Speaker 3: I'll leave that question to you, Abdouble.
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  Speaker 12: I'm trying to have conversations with everybody, and I agree
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  Speaker 12: that there's a lot of pain in trauma across our state.
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  Speaker 12: There has been so much pain in trauma across our state.
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  Speaker 12: That's why I've always tried to name that pain and trauma.
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  Speaker 12: From the jump, you go back a couple of years,
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  Speaker 12: we have watched as Israel has decimated Gaza in a genocide,
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  Speaker 12: and it took two years for my opponent to call
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  Speaker 12: it what it was, a genocide. So if we want
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  Speaker 12: to be in the business of understanding pain and trauma,
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  Speaker 12: I think it's important for us to name pain and trauma.
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  Speaker 8: And herein lies exactly the double standard.
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  Speaker 12: When we talk about the pain and trauma of some
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  Speaker 12: groups of people, that gets ignored. It gets ignored by
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  Speaker 12: the same politicians who tend to ignore the kinds of
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  Speaker 12: people who listen to Hassan Piker or twitch stream every
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  Speaker 12: single day. I'm trying to have a conversation with everybody.
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  Speaker 12: I was proud last Saturday to spend my Saturday morning
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  Speaker 12: in Jewish prayer services. I was invited in and I
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 12: was so grateful to get to share space. At the
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 12: end of the day, I think it is absolutely critical
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  Speaker 12: for us to understand that pain begets pain, and the
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 12: only way that we heal pain is by going and
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  Speaker 12: addressing the circumstances that cause it.
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  Speaker 8: That's what I'm trying.
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  Speaker 12: To do, And then all of this seems completely separated
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  Speaker 12: from the foundational issues that people are feeling pain on
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  Speaker 12: across our state. Everywhere I go, people tell me about
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 12: the fact that they cannot afford anything as simple as gas.
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  Speaker 12: They can't afford their rent, they can't afford their groceries,
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 12: and they certainly can't afford healthcare. I'm trying to have
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  Speaker 12: conversations about how we unlock our current system, take money
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  Speaker 12: out of politics through corporate bribery, how we address the
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 12: fact that we need to put more money back in
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 12: people's poets by standing with unions and small businesses, and
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  Speaker 12: finally guaranteeing every single person healthcare through Medicare for All.
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  Speaker 12: Those are the conversations I'm having with people, whether they
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  Speaker 12: are in town halls and places like ishpimming on Twitch
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  Speaker 12: with people like Hassan, or in churches in places like Detroit,
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  Speaker 12: and those are the conversations I think we need to
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  Speaker 12: be focused on.
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  Speaker 4: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, I was just going to ask and nice to
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: see you. I am Dula.
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  Speaker 5: Sorry for being late. I had a thing I had
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  Speaker 5: to do and now I'm back, but wanted to make
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  Speaker 5: sure I got a chance to speak with you at
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 5: least for a little bit. But I was curious, actually,
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  Speaker 5: if people are bringing this up to you when you're,
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  Speaker 5: you know, having online events or when you're having town
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 5: halls in the district, is this you know, are they
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  Speaker 5: raising concerns about the rally with Hassan or things Hasan's head,
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  Speaker 5: or you know what your stances, et cetera.
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  Speaker 12: You know, it's interesting. Every room I walk into, two
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 12: things happen. Number One, somebody who's usually older than sixty
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 12: comes up and says, wow, there are so many young
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 12: people here. And then one of those young people comes
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 12: up to me and says, hey, I heard you on Hassan.
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  Speaker 12: I just think one of the problems with our politics
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 12: is that we tend to do politics for consumption by
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 12: people who talk about politics like sport. And if you're
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 12: somebody who can consume politics like sports, by definition, that
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 12: says something about your general privilege. I'm trying to have
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 12: conversations with people for whom politics is foundational to being
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 12: able to afford a dignified life. And I know that
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 12: a lot of those folks feel xed out of our
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 12: political conversation because it's had by people who they know
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 12: do not share their life experiences and could not care
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  Speaker 12: less about them.
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  Speaker 2: I do.
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  Speaker 12: I'm a physician, I trained to take care of people,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 12: to make sure government works for people. As a health
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 12: director both in Detroit and Wayne County, I want to
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  Speaker 12: go to the places where people who feel locked out
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  Speaker 12: of our politics are actually paying attention, and those are
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 12: the conversations that I want to be having. It's the
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 12: reason why young people show up to our events because
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 12: they understand that I'm not trying to talk down to anybody.
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  Speaker 12: I'm not trying to talk in language that is not
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  Speaker 12: accessible to everybody. I'm trying to talk about real problems
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  Speaker 12: that real people face in real places where people actually go.
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  Speaker 4: There's no question that from you, like a Laura Lumer
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  Speaker 4: or others, you've experienced them been the subject of some
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  Speaker 4: outright bigotry. There's also the issue of, you know, just
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  Speaker 4: the synagogue tragedy that happened several weeks ago now, and
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to ask Abd how you navigate questions about
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 4: potential extremism in Michigan where people are like maybe asking
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  Speaker 4: you to answer for people who are doing horrible things,
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  Speaker 4: like what has that been like on the campaign trail,
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  Speaker 4: because I imagine that's a some of those conversations get difficult, although,
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  Speaker 4: as you say, you're probably hearing more about affordability than
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 4: anything else.
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  Speaker 12: After the terrible, horrific attack on Temple Israel, I was
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  Speaker 12: quite clear that anti Semitism has no place in America,
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  Speaker 12: that we have a responsibility to stand up for Jewish
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  Speaker 12: people against anti Semitism. It's the reason why I have
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 12: been clear from the get that we have to stand
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 12: up for Jewish people and against anti Semitism. And that
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  Speaker 12: starts with recognizing that any attempt to tie something that's
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  Speaker 12: happening on the part of a foreign government abroad to
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  Speaker 12: people in Michigan as a function of their faith is
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  Speaker 12: wrong and it's anti Semitic. And I released a statement
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  Speaker 12: because I wanted folks to understand and put in context
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  Speaker 12: what happened. You had a guy who lost niece and
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 12: nephew children in an attack, and in his rage and pain,
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 12: he displaced it on people who never ever should have
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 12: been the victims of his violence. I want us to
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 12: understand that anti Semitism is wrong, but also hurt people.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 12: Hurt people, and we have to understand the context in
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 12: which pain is created and then pain gets displaced if
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 12: we're serious about uprooting that kind of pain. We released
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  Speaker 12: a four and a half minute statement about exactly what
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  Speaker 12: happened and how I felt about it. So I stand
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  Speaker 12: in solidarity with Jewish Michiganders and Jewish Americans, frankly Jewish Israelis.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 12: I stand in solidarity with Jewish people because I believe
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 12: anti Semitism to be wrong. And I also understand that
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  Speaker 12: what the State of Israel is doing in terms of
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 12: the genocide that it perpetrated in Gaza, in terms of
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 12: the war that it has pushed an idiot like Donald
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 12: Trump into finally taking action to pursue in the ways
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 12: in which they are trying to annex southern Lebanon or
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 12: decimate the idea of a Palestinian state in the West Bank.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 12: That's all wrong, and we can say multiple things are
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 12: wrong at the same time without trying to use any
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 12: of them as justification for another. In fact, I think
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 12: if we're serious about trying to uproot the kind of
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 12: violence that we are seeing to take hold, we have
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 12: to be able to acknowledge the pain that creates it,
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 12: and we have to do something about addressing it. And
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  Speaker 12: I just think that that's where leadership ought to start.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 12: Anyone who wants to tell you that some pain is
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 12: more important than other pain, Anyone who wants to tell
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 12: you that somehow we can't talk about context for pain
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 12: is not serious about actually addressing pain. Are usually trying
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 12: to weaponize it for their own political ends.
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  Speaker 6: And what I found so striking about the kind of
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 6: Democratic establishment conversation around Hassan Piker in general. And there
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 6: was this like Third Way article, the Third Way column
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 6: up ed that they published, I think on the Wall
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 6: Street Journal saying that like, the Democratic Party needs to
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 6: draw a bright line and a sand Piker needs to
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 6: be on the other side of it. He cannot be
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 6: in this, you know, in this space, in this coalition
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 6: because he is anti Semitic. Like it's just it's just
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 6: a foundational kind of belief and claim that is made.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 6: I just I just saw on but which I think
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 6: most people that watch this program, if they have ever
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 6: watched a sont Piker, just know that that's false. A
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 6: lot of people, though have would probably have not seen
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 6: him and might assume, oh, maybe he maybe he is.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 6: I saw that somebody made a thirty minute compilation which
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 6: obviously have thirty minutes, and I will.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: The whole thing.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 6: It's thirty thirty thirty straight minutes of Sampiker calling out
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 6: anti Semitism and and telling his audience that it is,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 6: you know, anti Semitic, to conflate Judaism with Israel and
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 6: on and on, like there are not many people kind
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 6: of in the public space, I think where you could
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 6: even make a thirty minute compilation.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: A lot of people say it.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 6: This that's that's like an extraordinary and that's just what
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 6: they found, you know, throughout this. And so I'm curious,
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 6: like on the ground, how like how how kind of
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 6: dominant and how prevalent is kind of the understanding of
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 6: of who he is and then and what and and
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 6: also how kind of prevalent is the assumption among kind
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 6: of older people who don't know what twitch is. Do
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 6: they just kind of just kind of accept it as fact, Oh,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 6: this guy's anti Semitic or they having heard of it,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 6: where like, because as a candidate, you're much kind of
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 6: more into the public and the grassroots than a lot
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 6: of other people. So what is your sense of what
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 6: people understand about this controversy.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 12: The vast majority of people don't know who is and
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 12: they don't understand what the whole issue is about. They're
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 12: more concerned about how I want to make sure that
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 12: they have healthcare through Medicare for All.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 8: And then you have folks like Third Way.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 12: The reason that Third Way is so angry right now
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 12: is because they are corporate backed entity that is intended
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 12: to launder the old ideas that led us into this
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 12: unaffordability crisis in the first place. And we've got people
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 12: like Hassan talking to young people about how we can
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 12: actually get past that, how we can actually elect politicians
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 12: who really want to guarantee us healthcare who don't take
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 12: corporate money. They get real upset because, well, we're all
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 12: coming for all that they hold dear a system that
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 12: sucks money out of our pockets into the hands of
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 12: the richest people in society by way of policies that
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 12: fail to regulate corporations, whether they're providing US utilities or
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 12: healthcare or flights, And well, I understand why Third Way
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 12: is angry, but they're using a cheap scapegoat to be
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 12: able to get at that. And then, look, the guy
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 12: streams for eight hours every single day. It's not hard
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 12: to take things out of context and then try to
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 12: paint him with that. And then because you called him
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 12: a particular tag, to make that tag stick, because nobody
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 12: really has the time to come through except for this
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 12: person who made the thirty minute compilation to look at
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 12: all of the times in which he took particular pains
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 12: to differentiate between anti Semitism and the actions of the
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 12: State of Israel. Look, you know, at the end of
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 12: the day, just this morning, responded to the leader of
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 12: the ADL, Jonathan Greenblatt, who consistently tries to obfuscate, deliberately
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 12: tries to obfuscate the State of Israel and apak for
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 12: the Jewish people. And you would think that somebody who
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 12: has a platform principally focused on trying to protect Jewish
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 12: people would understand the foundational risk of that and the
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 12: foundational Semitism in that. But instead he's trying to use
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 12: the concept of antisemitism to argue that any sort of
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 12: criticism of Israel, or any sort of criticism of APAC,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 12: which is a magabacked political action committee intent on making
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 12: sure that our public policy backstops whatever it is that
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 12: Israeli leaders want to do. He wants to extend the
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 12: concept of anti Semitism to defend that too, And I'm
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 12: so sorry, but when you're talking about a state that
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 12: is engaged in genocide at worst, but also engaged in
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 12: war crimes and engaged in apartheid, it is not possible
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 12: to try to use that concept to defend what they're doing.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 12: And I just think it's really critical for all of
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 12: us to be willing to have a clear, direct and
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 12: specific engagement with the notion that, yes, it is okay
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 12: to criticize a foreign government that engages in genocide, and no,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 12: it is not okay to criticize a whole group of
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 12: people simply because some people want you to say, I
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 12: think that one is the same as the other.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 8: They are not.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 12: The Jewish people are led onto the world. Anti Semitism
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 12: is wrong. Judaism is a beautiful faith. I got to
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 12: experience it myself on Saturday. The state of Israel has
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 12: done terrible things, is engaged in doing terrible things, and
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 12: is dragging our country alongside it by way of apac which.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 8: Is spending huge amounts of money to silence people like me.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 12: All of those things are true, and they need to
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 12: be kept separate if we're serious about actually empowering people,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 12: because that's the whole goal here. Whether they're Jewish people
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 12: in America or in Israel, or they're Palestinians or their
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 12: Iranian folk, or their Americans just trying to afford their
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 12: groceries and their health care, all of us would do
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 12: better if we stopped pretending that some violence inflicted on
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 12: the part of a foreign government somehow has to be
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 12: defended by everybody who shares a particular faith.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, and forgive me if this point has
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 5: been made before I jumped in the conversation. I think
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 5: there's also an irony here from you know, I saw
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 5: your opponent, Malari mcmore, who's now very critical of, you know,
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 5: Hassan Piker, and you're doing anything with Hassan Piker. Right
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 5: after Trump won, she was one of many who was like,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 5: we got to reach out to these, you know, the
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 5: Joe Rogans of the world.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: The podcast Guys where these young men are?
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 5: I mean, this was a very common analysis and especially
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 5: common analysis from like the third way part of the party.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 5: But you know that's only when it's you know, people
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 5: who code right. When it's someone who's on the left,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 5: who has a huge following among young men in particular,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 5: then oh, this is totally out of bounds. And I
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 5: think you're right, Abdulla in your analysis that is just
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 5: basically because they're panicking because they're losing control of the party.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, the distance between where the base of the
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 5: Democratic Party is and where the elected party leadership you know, remains,
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 5: especially on the issue of Israel, but on a variety
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 5: of issues besides, is gigantic and seems like something that
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 5: is unsustainable. So in light of that, I mean, you're
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 5: running to be part of a new wave of Democrats
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 5: who approaches you know, a whole range of choose very differently.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 5: One of the things the Democratic base is very disgusted
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 5: with is the failed leadership of Chuck Schumer in the Senate.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 5: So I wonder where you are in the question of
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 5: whether he should remain leader.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 12: You know, who might pickip for leader will be would
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 12: be Senator Chris Van Holland. I really really hope he's running.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 12: And I've said clearly I do not agree with Senator
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 12: Schumer on almost anything when it comes to the question
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 12: of continued support for Israel, when it comes to the
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 12: question of continuing to take corporate money into our politics.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 12: And at the same time, I also understand that my
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 12: critique is bigger than one individual. A lot of folks
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 12: who don't actually want to level a serious critique on
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 12: the party about our willingness to take corporate money to
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 12: pass corporate policy want to blame it all on the
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 12: feed of one person. And I'm just saying that I
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 12: don't know who the alternatives are, so show me my alternatives,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 12: and I will choose the leader who has the best
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 12: shot at being able to get money out of politics,
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 12: but money in pockets and past medicare for all.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 8: But I also don't.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 12: Want us to get deluded into thinking that the very
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 12: same people who take the very same corporate money but
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 12: then tell you that they want to go after Chuck
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 12: Schumer are actually serious about solving the problem, because they're
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 12: going to find themselves somebody else who's willing to pass
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 12: that same exact kind of policy. That continues to launder
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 12: corporate money into our politics. So it's just it's bigger
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 12: than one person. You know, My positions have been absolutely
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 12: clear about where I stand on genocide, where I stand
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 12: on corporate money and politics, where I stand on Medicare
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 12: for all, where I stand on abolishing ice, and I'm
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 12: looking for a leader who could advance those goals, hold
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 12: this Trump administration accountable for the next two years of
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 12: this administration, and then get us to a position where
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 12: we're leading on hope for the things that we can
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 12: do to actually build the kind of America that we
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 12: need and deserve.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 4: John Jerman, there's only one.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: Don't dare speak his name, Emily Abdul. I have another question.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: For you, character for everybody to rally.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: Sorry, go ahead, So you know, I want to talk
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: about something else that young people care about outside of
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: Hassan Piker, and that's AI.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: Now, Bernie has been making a lot.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 3: About AI data centers wanting to pause AI growth regulate it,
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: and he said things as apocalyptic as it'll change our
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: entire society and it might even destroy the world. Our
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: direct things that Bernie has been saying, we also see
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: with young people their jobs straight out of college are
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: going down and their futures are looking bleaker. Where do
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: you stand on AI and what and how do you
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: want to lead on the issue of AI.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 12: Well, I'll tell you this. It definitely has that potential
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 12: and there are real risks. There's also real opportunities. You know,
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 12: anybody who's messed around with Claude or chat GPT understands
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 12: that there's real potential in this technology. The thing about
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 12: any life changing technology, though, is that you have to
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 12: balance the risk from the benefit. And the risks that
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 12: I see coming are manifold. One is that it could
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 12: potentially fundamentally and inalterably change the social contract when it
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 12: comes to the ability for people to actually sell their
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 12: intellectual capital on a market for money to live their lives.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 12: And if you are starting to automate out what was
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 12: traditionally knowledge work out of an economy, where does that
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 12: go and what do you do when you are now
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 12: potentially creating a circumstance where fifteen to twenty percent of
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 12: young people are not just unemployed, but unemployable as a
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 12: function of it.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 8: The second question.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 12: Is this topic of p doom right, which used to
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 12: be a term that they used in the old years
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 12: of AI, like two years ago, which is the probability
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 12: that AI would create existential doom.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 8: And we know the risks of this.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 12: We know that if this falls into the wrong hands,
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 12: We know that if it's able to escape human control,
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 12: that there's potentially catastrophic risks there. And then there's the
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 12: environmental footprint. It's not like AI just happens out of
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 12: ten air. You need huge amounts of compute, sucking up
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 12: huge amounts of electricity, potentially using huge amounts of water
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 12: to cool it, and that has physical consequences in communities
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 12: like ours.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 8: So when it comes to the regulation, I think we
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 8: need it.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 12: And the problem right now is a lot of the
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 12: folks who understand it best are taking money from the
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 12: very same corporations who want zero regulation at all, and
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 12: a lot of the folks who want to regulate are
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 12: not as close to the technology. I aim to try
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 12: and solve that as somebody who understands the development of
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 12: technology and also has not taken money from the corporations
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 12: that are trying to tell us that somehow they know
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 12: better for our whole entire future. And when it comes
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 12: to data centers, I've been very clear we put out
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 12: in terms of engagement.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 8: This has been a live issue.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 12: There were fifteen data center projects proposed in Michigan in
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 12: the last year alone, and there are many many more
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 12: plated for twenty twenty six. And our terms of engagement
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 12: are thus, if you want to open a data center
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 12: in Michigan, you better meet the following terms. Number One,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 12: if you're promising jobs, you need to create all the
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 12: jobs you said you're going to create, and they need
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 12: to be good, union, local jobs. Number Two, there cannot
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 12: be any increase in our electricity costs. In fact, you
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 12: should be invested in reducing costs, and some of the
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 12: revenue that is passed on to utilities needs to be
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 12: spent to improve our reliability. Three, there should be closed
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 12: loop systems, meaning you cannot connect to the water infrastructure
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 12: to our water resources and thinks that you could just
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 12: pollute our water to cool your computing in your data centers.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 12: For that, there has to be a community benefits agreement
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 12: that is negotiated and pre paid in terms of what
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 12: you are going to provide a local community if you're
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 12: bringing a data center in and then all of this
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 12: needs to be reinforceable via very very clear, very steep
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 12: fees to make sure that data center operators are held accountable.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 12: That said, I am worried because this is all happening
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 12: so fast. We're talking about an outlay of money that
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 12: is greater than the amount of money that we spent
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 12: to build the federal highway system under Dwight Eisenhower. You're
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 12: talking about huge amounts of capital. So we need federal legislation.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 12: We've needed federal legislation, and you know, things like an
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 12: actual regulatory agency at the federal level that can hold
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 12: some of these hyperscalers accountable. The ability to make sure
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 12: that you know your customer when you're selling them compute,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 12: so you're not selling it to some actor who wants
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 12: to use this for malevolent means. Ability to just make
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 12: sure we have rigorous testing standards so these.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 8: These these models don't go rogue.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 12: All of that is stuff we should have had two
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 12: years ago and we're only now starting to talk about.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 12: So we need leaders who both understand this technology and
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 12: are not bought off by the corporations who are building it.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 8: And I'm hoping I can offer that kind of leadership
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 8: in the Senate.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 6: And let me let me ask you one one horse
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 6: race question for people who aren't following this race. We've
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 6: talked about Mallory McMorrow, who's kind of running in the
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 6: Elizabeth Warren maybe center left lanch as of Warren's endorsement,
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 6: trying to be kind of a Goldilocks candidate in between
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 6: you and Haley Stevens, who's had enormous amount of a
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 6: PACK support in her previous race and has understood very
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 6: you know, clearly the APAC candidate here, but seems to
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 6: be hoping for a huge influx of a PAC money,
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 6: which which has not arrived yet. The race is in
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 6: the duldrums of midst early early August. Is the election,
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 6: which might you know, could potentially depress the turnout.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: Poles seem to have it pretty neck and neck and.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 6: Neck like a like almost a three three way tie.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 6: Morro put one out showing her head Stevens, but you're
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 6: always like, everybody's right within a couple of points. Mcmorro herself.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 6: I've seen some of my reporting from a couple of
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 6: months ago resurfacing lately. Mcmorro herself had, according to one
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 6: of her top campaign volunteers, sent in a an a
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 6: PACK questionnaire.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: Maybe it was a DMFI questionnaire. We don't know. She
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: hasn't released it.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 6: That was supposedly very very They loved it, like the
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 6: pro Israel lobby loved it in hopes of not necessarily
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 6: getting a pack spending on her behalf, but keeping a
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 6: pack from supporting Haley Stevens. So with a three way race,
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 6: it's tricky like if they you know, if they spend
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 6: money attacking you, they could boost mcmorro and they still lose.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 6: If they don't, maybe then you edge it out, like
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 6: what are you hearing kind of through the grape vine
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 6: about where APAC is in this race, what mcmorro's trying
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 6: to do, what Stevens is trying to do, and you know,
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 6: what's the path in the next few months that allows
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 6: you to kind of break out of this three way stalemate.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 8: Yeah, well, you're right. Both of my opponents just released
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 8: poll numbers.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 12: In one of their polls, I have the highest favorability
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 12: in the other poll, after all the voters are informed,
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 12: I go up over the other two. That puts us
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 12: in some really good positioning. When both of your opponents
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 12: internal polls show you pretty strong, you recognize why it
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 12: is that they are now engaging in what seems to
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 12: be a pretty coordinated smear campaign about a campaign event
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 12: I'm doing with a Twitch streamer. So all of that
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 12: is to say, you know, I don't know what they're
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 12: trying to do. I'm not in those camps. I'm just
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 12: a lot more focused on having a conversation with the
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 12: folks in my state. They understand that I've run before,
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 12: and I'm saying the exact same things I said then now.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 8: I want to get money out of politics.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 12: I think corporations have choked our economy out for their
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 12: best interest and against ours. In the eight years since
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 12: I started saying it, it's all just gotten worse.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 8: It's less affordable than it was. I want to guarantee
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 8: you healthcare because I know we could do it. I
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 8: literally wrote a book about how to do that.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 12: And I want to make sure that we're standing with
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 12: unions and small businesses rather than big corporations who automate
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 12: away our jobs. That's what I've always been about, and
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 12: we're going to continue to take our campaign across the state.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 8: We've been in ninety cities now, three hundred public events.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 8: We know that our campaign is resonating.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 12: I also know that because of my clarity about my
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 12: values when it comes to fundational human rights for Palestinians,
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 12: in the fact that I don't think a special interest
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 12: funded by MAGA billionaire should be able to sway our
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 12: foreign policy in the form of APAC that they're going
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 12: to spend huge amounts of money to beat me. And
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 12: so I ask good people if they believe in a
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 12: politics where we believe in human rights for literally everybody,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 12: where we believe in the equal rights to dignity and
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 12: self determined nation for Jewish Israelis and Palestinians alike. If
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 12: you believe that corporations and special interests shouldn't be able
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 12: to buy our politics, I hope that you'll support us.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 12: Go to abdulforsenate dot com and invest. At the end
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 12: of the day, my job is to have that connection
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 12: with Michigan Anders. We know that there's going to be
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 12: tremendous amounts of corporate and special interest money slashing around
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 12: and I'm just asking good people if you believe in
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 12: my brand of politics and want to see somebody in
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 12: the US Senate who's trying to be honest with you
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 12: about what we can have, not trying to tell you
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 12: what you can't have, And shouldn't fight for not trying
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 12: to tell you corporate talking points that are washed through
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 12: a campaign.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 8: Then I hope folks will support us.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 3: All right, Well, thank you, doctor Crystal. I think I'll
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 3: do unless you have any final questions, Nope, that'll do it,
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 3: all right, Well, good luck doctor.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 2: And when is this rally happening? This infamous rally.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 12: April seventh. If you're an in Arbor or if you're
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 12: an East Lansing, come on through. We'd love to see you. Okay,
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 12: very cool. We'll leave all that in a link in
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 12: the description. Thank you for joining us, and we'll speak
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 12: to you against it by Dulah.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 8: Thank you, thanks you all, appreciate you.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 3: All right, that's gonna wrap us out for this Friday show. Okay, yeah,
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 3: thanks Abdul, I appreciate you.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 13: Thanks all right, Crystal, return for the end end line here.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: Of the swop down.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: Yep, I it's yes.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if we want to talk
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 3: anymore about all all this mirror stuff. We got through
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: plenty in the interview, but I just have to say
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 3: with the Hassan stuff, like the real truth bomb is
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: Hassan is probably one of the biggest bulwarks against anti
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: Semitism on the lat out of anywhere, because there are
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 3: a lot of other content creators out there that are
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 3: far less measured and consistent and want to conflate the
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 3: two because yes, I think it's good for the growth,
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 3: that's right.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 5: Yes they like to flirt with it because yes, because
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 5: there's a big audience for it. And then the other
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 5: thing is that, you know, you have a lot of
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 5: young men who it's like, which way Western man Nick
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 5: Fuentes or Hassan Piper wants the Jews right, And so
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 5: look if you're looking at you know, Israel pressuring it.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 5: Look again, Donald Trump got us into the war with
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 5: a run, but Israel no doubt wanted us there. And
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 5: you're watching them committed genocide and all in these like
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 5: speech crackdowns, et cetera. And you don't have the left
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 5: perspective offered by a Hassan Piker who is not talking
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 5: about the Jews, but is talking about you know, international
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 5: human rights and everybody having equal rights, and that Israel
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 5: does not reflect the entirety of the Jewish people, even
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 5: though they claim that they do. And that is what
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 5: is part of what is creating this anti Semitism. If
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 5: you don't have that and all you're hearing is Nick Fuentez,
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 5: you might think that that neo Nazi worldview makes some sense.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 5: So I think you're absolutely right about that Griffin, that
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 5: he is incredibly important.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: And you know, when I.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 5: Hear him talk, for example, about Tucker Carlson, he's always
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 5: very careful to talk about, like, you know, the problems
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 5: with Tucker's worldview overall, even in the context of like, yeah,
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 5: you did a great job at Ted Cruise. Yeah, I
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 5: did a great job with my Kaka beat, et cetera.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 5: So I completely agree with that point.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 3: So I mean, yeah, just they got to be careful
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 3: because it does seem like the liberal centrist Dems have
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 3: been trying to figure out where how do they because
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 3: the left is on the rise, how do they articulate
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 3: a difference? And if this is what they're going to articulate,
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 3: that Hassan Piker is like Nick Fuentes, like, I'm sorry,
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 3: Mallory mcmarlw you're not ready for primetime, Like this is
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 3: not You cannot walk out on stage and say that
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 3: with the straight face.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: It's absolutely ridiculous.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 3: And if you look at someone like Gavin Newsome, what
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 3: did he do at the election? He had Charlie Kirk,
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 3: Ben Shapiro, Steve fucking Bannon, and there wasn't any smoke for.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: Any of those people at all.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, having those conversations, I mean, I think it just
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 5: smacks of desperation because you know, I mean, the polls
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 5: that have just come out do look pretty good for
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 5: Abdul seem to show him gaining some steam, and more broadly,
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 5: like like I was saying, the pro Zionist you know,
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 5: like everything for Israel, always Israel, whatever Israel wants. Crowd
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 5: recognizes that they're in a really dire position with the
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 5: base of the Democratic Party. I mean, the recent poll
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 5: that came out, I think only thirteen percent of Democrats
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 5: had a favorable view of Israel thirteen percent, And that's
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 5: one of the honestly, that's one of the better polls
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 5: I've seen for Israel with the Democratic base at this point. So,
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 5: you know, they're trying all kinds of desperate tactics, like
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 5: all the you know, shenanigans they pulled in Illinois, for example,
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 5: And so I'm curious to see what they end up doing,
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 5: how they end up playing in this race because they
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 5: are trying to figure out they recognize that they've won
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 5: these sort of democratic debate, so now it's you know,
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 5: the small democratic debate, and so now it's how can
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 5: we use all these sort of like you know, shady
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 5: tactics to ob the skate and confuse and none of
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 5: it has anything to do with Israel of course, the
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 5: ads that they're running in all of that, but you know,
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 5: that's that's kind of where they are. And so this
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 5: is the latest tactic they've deployed of like, oh, if
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 5: you have anything to do with a son Piker, then
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 5: you are an anti Semite.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 3: And this is also as a song has been doing
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 3: more candidate interviews. So the Democratic Party is realizing that
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 3: he is becoming the Joe Rogan of the left, that
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 3: if you are a candidate that wants to get out there,
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 3: you have to go sit down next to him and
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 3: you have to have good answers, and that can't be acceptable,
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 3: like Hevin.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: Newton was going to be about to do it at
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: least and then he backed down. But yeah, exactly, and.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 5: Interesting that Steve Mannon is fine for Piker too far. Well,
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 5: I'll just in that vein. I'll mention that you know,
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 5: I'm hosting this event Progressive Victory asked me to along
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 5: with a bunch of candidates who are running in some
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 5: existing office holders, and Hassan Piker will be involved.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: So I guess every.
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 5: One of those very many candidates are involved in this event,
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 5: which is which is tomorrow evening. I guess all of
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 5: them decided that the risk was decidedly worth it for
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 5: them in terms of their campaigns.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe they can go on the Third Way live
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 3: stream with like ten concurrent viewers, right.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: And so it's not even it's almost not even a.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: Risk, all of them big donors.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 6: Though the cost benefit is the benefit is you get
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 6: the boost, you get the publicity. The cost is that
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 6: Jonathan Greenblad attacks you, an APAC attacks you. That's not
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 6: even a cost anymore.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just a point of pride.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 2: That's a benefit.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 6: So it's benefit benefit at this point, Like, oh, Third
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 6: Way doesn't like this candidate, all right, let me learn
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 6: more about that.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's funny you say that because I
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 5: add that same reaction to this whole flop with Abdul,
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 5: where the polls have been very close and most of
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 5: the polls have had him, you know, slightly behind the
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 5: other two candidates, and then with all of this, I'm like,
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 5: they're only going to help him with this. You know,
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 5: this is only going to help too, because what he
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 5: needed was, in my opinion, you know, watching from Afar
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 5: and not following the race all that closely. But it
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 5: was a challenge for him to try to separate with
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 5: Mallory McMorrow. You know, the difference with Haley Steem is
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 5: very clear, but she's trying to find this way of
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 5: massaging these issues and sort of making it unclear which
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 5: one of them is really the quote unquote progressive candidate.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 5: And you know, this helps draw a pretty bright red
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 5: line for him, which is something that he had, you know,
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 5: my estimation had been kind of a challenge for them
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 5: in the campaign.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll see.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: All right, well we'll see all that. There'll be links
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: emailed out to everyone for those live streams that Crystal
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 2: will be attending, and of course we will continue monitoring
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 2: the situation as markets close in just a few hours,
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 2: so I'm sure we're expecting quite a lot of news
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: updates in the next couple of hours. It's great, Yeah,
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 2: we should just show the work on the weekends.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 5: Cash Mattel's personal email was hacked, so hopefully we will
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 5: okay things from that too.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: It's another thing, you.
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 5: Know, Keystone Cash is sending some crazy things on email
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 5: that he should not be sending.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 3: One hundred percent look look for that and more and
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 3: if not, we'll see you on Monday.
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: Bye bye