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That Damn Amy Sherman-Palladino (Gilmore to Say Revisited) · Gilmore To Say: A Gilmore Girls Podcast

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what else made my heart really happy when I was researching for this episode?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, when I get to the point of this, you're going to realize what I'm about to say, but I'm going to tell this to our besties because I know that you know that I'm one of four kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm the third.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And my older sister and my older brother, both have partners.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My older sister's husband, his birthday is January 15th.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Mandy, who my brother is marrying in June in Italy, give me a lot of fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Her birthday is January 16th.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, I've always been told that the love of my life would be
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[SPEAKER_00]: a man who's born in January 17.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really narrows down the field, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It really does.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a lot of pressure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, I just got to find a man in January 17th or like the love of my life, my soul mate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, hum to find out that the universe misunderstood because Dino who's born in January 17.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it Amy Sherman Paladino?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was Amy Sherman Paladino.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I did not know that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so, the universe misunderstood the call, and it was like, you have called Gilmore Girls Love Your Life before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, what do you think of the love of your life?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the creator of Gilmore Girls was born in January 17th.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is when your soul mate was beside a portal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, did you share that with your family yet?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, but like no one's going to be surprised because it's like here I was thinking I was going to have you know a man a life partner But instead it's a TV show I've been watching for 17 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's your podcast episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah Wow, that's so funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna have funny little like universe thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or if any of you know a man who's born on January 17 that might slightly resemble about
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so she was born in January 17th, the 19th.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She says, yeah, I see that here, which is so deep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My soulmates birthday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's so exciting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, as Haley said, we're here to talk about Ms. Amy Sharma Paladino today, because we've done a lot of talk about her characters, but we haven't really gotten into Amy herself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who she is?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What we know about her, the history of what led her to Gilmore girls, because we've talked a lot about her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: about the show itself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We talked a lot about her as a writer, which is a lot of course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we've talked about the characters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about her time on Gilmour Girls and how she left the show, how she returned to the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about some of her other works, but we haven't really talked about the history of Amy and I was so excited to like get into that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never really done a deep dive on her even though she's been one of my inspirations as a
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[SPEAKER_01]: writer has created, you know, the thing that we all know and love and your personality and also my entire personality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So much so that I costed her the Emmy Awards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But no, you didn't cost her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just went up to her and you weren't the affirmation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's exactly words of affirmation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just thrust a love language upon her anyway, but we you know it was really interesting to do a deep dive of how she got to Gilmour Girls because I think that sharing that story is very interesting because it also kind of put into perspective a lot of what she puts into this show and what she has put into her other shows that stemmed from her parents, her life, how she grew up, where she came from.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm really excited to get into that today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to start with what we know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to start with the history of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we're going to get into kind of the basic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What we don't know when what we would like to know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because one of my favorite things that we do, we prepare the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we don't know what the other one has exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe we have the exact same information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we have differing information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And love.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we both came here preparing separately.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't tell each other what we were looking into.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I love that we're going to kind of tell the story together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we don't even really know it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so let's start at the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah January 17, 1966.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so Amy V Sherman was born in Los Angeles on January 17, 1966
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't know what the V-Stion's for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Laura, live Victoria Gilmore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, you know what I also learned was that Sherman is actually her dad's stage knit and done Sherman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So her name on her birth certificate, she was quoted in an article saying she doesn't even exist because that's not her dad's real last name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But she was on her birth certificate, Amy V. Sherman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So on her birth certificates, it's her dad's stage knit, I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe in Hughes, who is her mother, is maybe in Hughes Sherman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, like, she also took that name, which is very interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Don Sherman, her dad, was an actor, stand-up comedian, and writer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the marvelous Mrs. Mazele and the character of Midge actually are a lot of components of him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And her mother, Maven Hughes, is a professional dancer and singer, Broadway performer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's still performing, I think, she's 92, 93.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she's, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What an amazing woman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's been used, is the name of,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hugh's brother, what does that auto?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the auto body shop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, chips he works at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think we talked about this when we got to that episode in Season 1.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which I believe is Love Dases and Tributors when L'Orley and Warrior sitting at the kitchen table and they're talking about like, who bought the auto body shop after Mavin Hughes?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we came to find out that Mavin Hughes is Amy's mom, which is so exciting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she actually was also in an episode of Gilmore Girl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was in Vory Stance, you know, when the women find Voryn Dean in Miss Patty's.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is she one of the women?
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's one of the women.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's good, but that's more like a girl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't actually watch it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just saw a still of her and I was like, oh my god, that's her mom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She has like a red, spiky hair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you go back and watch it, that's her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she also was in her credits include on IMDB, like bun heads and Gomor else in your life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So she puts her mom and her stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just love that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well that's like one of like the fascinating things is like that a lot of people want to know is like her relationship with her mom Because she writes, you know, yeah, she wrote go more girls with other relationships.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly Yeah, and I'm very curious about that I think we could file that under what we want to know because I watched an interview with Mavin Hughes and she was on a talk show like a YouTube talk show last summer
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[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of what she shared sounds like they are close.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like any will drop what she's doing, filming lives to come see Maven perform in any of her shows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's so sweet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it sounds like they have a decent relationship, but also no one knows what happens behind closed doors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was fun to say you always want to like best foot forward and the press always talk very like highly of your family At least most people would or so I would wonder what it's like to actually have grown up with her because one of the things that I found out because when I was looking at like Amy's childhood Because she grew up in the San Fernando Valley each the valley girl that it was like an interview that her mom had given
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[SPEAKER_00]: that Amy really wanted to take tap classes, but she was going to teach her and that she didn't want to like spend the time like with Amy frustrated at her because she was giving only her feedback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She opened it up to all the kids in the neighborhood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know when she started this like children's theater company, which I think is so cool that she just did that in her backyard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Amy started writing for them when she was like six or seven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because they didn't want to put on shows that were done before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't want to put on stories that had already been told.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They wanted to do original works and Amy started writing, which is so funny because in a lot of interviews, Amy has said, I never intended to be a writer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Mavin said, I knew from the beginning she was going to be a writer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because I think when you see that creativity and a child, I mean, that's so rare.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because like, there are so many kids who love to perform, but when you see them wanting to actually write and develop their own work, that's just on a different level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's also like such a mom thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like my mom who like literally is like, haily you're never gonna be able to talk to people about Gilmore Girls for a career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now she's like, oh, of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: course she would.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, in hindsight, it's definitely something to reflect on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if she actually felt that way in real time, because Amy obviously grew up in a show business kind of family.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, her mom was a performer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Amy was a classically trained dancer from a very young age because of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's very much of the mindset of like ballet is a religion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every mother should put their daughter or child in ballet classes because it teaches you a lot about conditioning, it teaches you so much and that's I think we're a lot of bun heads came from.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is so interesting because I would argue that like marvelous Mrs. Mazzle is a lot about her dad and has obviously like strokes of her mom in there from the performing arts and the musical
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[SPEAKER_01]: capacity of it because she credits like a lot of midge to parts of her father and then bun heads I think has a lot to do with being a professionally trained dancer, classically trained and a lot of what her mom gave her whereas Gilmore girls, it's just like a fantasy world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we'll get into that a little later when we talk about her actually pitching the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I just found that to be so fascinating that like the two subsequent shows after this, you know, lightning and a bottle as she's referred to it with Gilmore girls were really centered around her mom and her dad and what they brought to her life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They say like right about what you know and that's what she knows, you know, and that came from.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like her parents were really at the helm of the inspiration for those two subsequent shows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but with Gilmore Girls, it's interesting to see like some of the strokes that were interwoven into them, less that that was inspired by it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it kind of feels like not to get into Gilmore Girls prematurely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like Gilmore Girls is maybe more hurt, like because I have only seen the first season of Mazel, like when it like the day it came out like I, it's been so long.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I need to catch up on that because when she was talking about she always knew she wanted to write
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[SPEAKER_00]: to write the Marvel Smith's as maize.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was like, oh, okay, chillies, I need to watch that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also because it's like Amy and it's because it's well, it's also just incredible show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Brits had to me last night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We were talking about, you know, things that we want to catch up on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, I really want to watch maize all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he's willing to do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because it's just, it's a beautiful, gorgeous show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll talk, we'll get into that in another time, but anyway, they created this children's, kind of this inadvertently like children's theater company in their backyard, which was really fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it allowed Amy the space to perform and to write and do all of those things simultaneously, but she was a classically trained dancer and kind of intended to see that through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so when she graduated from high school, she didn't go to college, she went to the groundlings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And with Lisa Kutro, she and Lisa Kutro were in the groundlings together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So for those of you who don't know what the groundlings is, it's an improvisational sketch comedy group in Los Angeles where a lot of comedy grates have come out of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Will Ferrell, Melissa McCarthy, Jennifer Coolidge, Kathy Griffin, Maya Rudolph, Jimmy Fallon, JJ Abrams, like you do talks about
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, so many people, I believe Angela Kinsey was also in the groundling city mention her on the Wikipedia page because I'm sure there are just like so many people who went there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like LA second city exactly exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So she studied there for about four years and one of the courses that was there was a writing course and so she got to hone in on her sketch writing skills.
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[SPEAKER_01]: While also simultaneously performing, she wanted to do improv classes in dance classes instead of immediately launching herself into college, which in hindsight, I mean, I thought my college experience was fine, and it taught me a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It made me a very well-rounded person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would not be where I am today without it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: quite so circular.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but like this makes a lot of sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you already know what I want to do, it's a kind of a thing or if you're just honing in on these skills and you're living in LA, like throwing yourself into classes like that, so important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it feels like all of this, like her childhood was leading up to this because like you said like her mother was a dancer and she was like raised in that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like similarly, her father being a stand-up comedian from the Bronx,
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[SPEAKER_00]: She also got this like, this is where we can really feel Gilmore Girls is that like, she got this different sort of education sitting around listening to men, joke and her backyard and like the kind of jokes that they would tell like the way that they would talk, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the kind of comedy that they introduced to her, yeah, and what that did for her and yeah, her sense of humor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because Maven says that Amy and her dad were one of the same.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fast-paced dialogue, the quick wit, that was all her dad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so for that to like, for her to grow up around that, that really informed the way that she wrote.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that informed the way that she kind of like the scope of what comedy was to her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's something so cool about that because when you do have parents and show business chances are going to college.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, unless that's not really what you want to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: going to college is really going to educate you so far having the real world experience of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like she was kind of born into this perfect hybrid of who she became because her music comedy from her mom is really interwoven into her comedy and interstory telling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was really exciting to kind of read about her parents and read also about it from her mom's perspective and to listen to how she recalls a lot of things Yeah, because maybe kind of got into Amy's time in the groundlings and how that kind of led her to her first writing job because
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[SPEAKER_01]: because the business was changing and they weren't hiring as many older writers anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were looking for younger writers specifically female writers to join the writers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Amy says chicks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She loves to call girls chicks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The chicks, I know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ticks in the room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's literally what she said to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what she said to her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Literally every interview that I read with her is always about the chicks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The writers who were chicks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I completely forgot she said that to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to hear that it was happening as early as like the late 80s, early 90s when she was kind of, you know, figuring out where she wanted to be is interesting because according to Maven, like this episode should be according to Maven, he was brought to you by Maven, he was mom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But according to her recounting this, you know, Don was kind of struggling in the industry to get into the writer's rooms because he was an older male writer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's looking at his daughters and seeing that she has this spark and this fire and has and she was what six years old and is like you guys should totally write together This is where you should be so I read this in style article, which is where I got a lot of Amy's recounting of it Which I'm sure you also found it's great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's from last year and according to Amy Jennifer would bring their scripts to her day job She taught traffic school and she would force her scripts on like any poor soul who would run a red light
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[SPEAKER_01]: because like everything L.A. is trying to be in show business.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, somehow that got it in the right hands and that landed Amy and Jennifer Jobs, running for a show called The City in 1990 with Valerie Harper.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Amy wrote one episode and then that I believe eventually landed her an offer for
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[SPEAKER_01]: Roseanne, which I would argue was her big break.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you feel like stories like that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's always like whenever I read these interviews and like these like almost like it becomes very fabled in your past like the lore of yourself that like my writing partner was teaching traffic school, someone ran a red light and handed it off and now we work for Roseanne.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like I really want to know what was the nitty gritty of that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like how did that actually...
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, interestingly in the interview with Maven, she kind of made it sound like, and I don't know if this is true, that like, don't kind of help that get in the right hands.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wouldn't be surprised by that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing wrong with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I mean, she has a dad who works in show business, who's a writer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why wouldn't she try to put that in the right hands?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Work your
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[SPEAKER_01]: connections, baby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't really know how it got into the right hands, but I agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like, what's the nitty gritty of that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause sometimes that's really how it happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I moved to the city and I was waiting tables, I was just like, I just want any job in show business because I hate waiting tables.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just like soft friend, I went to college with one night at a bar, said something to her, like I almost didn't because I thought it was overstepping.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, do you know of any jobs as she was like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just got offered this dresser's job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me call my friend Joe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And her friend Joe called me and then I got hired and that was Heather's a musical and it's like the rest of his history.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's genuinely how it happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it can happen that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But of course there's like, there is the nitty gritty of like, how did it get there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where did it come from?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's like this like folklore nature to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of like, this is the story I tell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is so rehearsed because I've been asked this question a million times, so here's the condensed version.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, here's the sweet version.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yes, like that is the story that's kind of out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's what's so marvelous about Marvelous all about Amy is that it was a male thing to be this easily successful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like even if like Dawn was like, you know, aging out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the reasons that Amy said that she was like, you know, it seemed that she got a job so easily is because her and her writing partner were like a well-honed sort of duo of women that like, unfortunately they seem to have gotten into the room.
16:58
[SPEAKER_00]: at the time because they needed women in the room, which, like, don't buy a gift horse.
17:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't look a gift horse in the mouth, is that what the saying is?
17:05
[SPEAKER_00]: That, like, just, like, take it and run, but it does seem like, that was the beginning.
17:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, that's what they needed.
17:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And it, it's what worked, but for sure, originally.
17:13
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that was why.
17:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, I know.
17:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we're even still facing that today.
17:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, feeling a quota is sometimes the reason why.
17:21
[SPEAKER_01]: People get in the room, but at the same time,
17:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And take what you get.
17:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So interestingly, and I think a lot of people know this.
17:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know like the complete details of this and it made my heart really happy because there are like some parallel strokes for my life But when she was offered Rosanne Amy at the same time she had gotten a call back for the musical
17:44
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like one of my favorite things about her history.
17:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that like it was literally like rosanne or cats like But at the time I think about it 1990 one Cats was he huge yeah cats was a huge deal and it wasn't even a certain thing.
18:00
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a callback Mm-hmm.
18:01
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't even a necessarily an offer.
18:03
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a callback Yeah, but it's just like rosanne or cats like how 1991 of her I know to literally be torn between rosanne
18:11
[SPEAKER_01]: and cats and cats.
18:13
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that she it sounds to me like she was very torn about it and Jennifer Heath was the one to be like this is the number one show in America right now.
18:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you kidding?
18:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Like go right for this but it's so interesting to think and I'm sure she would have eventually landed where she needed to but it's so interesting to think that she was standing at this like fork in the road of her life and obviously took in my opinion the right path.
18:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, you know, she could have been a professional dancer and followed in the footsteps of her mom and done that, but it sounded like she really had an act for today.
18:41
[SPEAKER_01]: We certainly wouldn't.
18:42
[SPEAKER_01]: My personality.
18:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know who I'd be.
18:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Someone else sort of had to invented me.
18:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have had to watch that one episode of Valerie over and over and over again to get to where I am today.
18:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Or the city, whatever it's called, but that Valerie Harper show, but basically it was like you would be a fool.
18:57
[SPEAKER_01]: not to take this job.
18:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And so she did.
18:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
19:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it was smart.
19:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, obviously she threw herself into improv classes for a reason.
19:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And she threw herself into the groundlings for a reason.
19:06
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think that that was kind of like itching at her to begin with.
19:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe she didn't have the intention of becoming a writer.
19:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel very similarly about that.
19:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Also cats was my first Broadway show to a wardrobe.
19:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like,
19:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Amy really was like cats over this.
19:19
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just so it's just so easy to me.
19:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, one of the reasons she said she didn't want to be a writer is because she didn't like the process that was kind of in place because I think she talks about how different it was being at Rosanne because it was just like a small group of writers.
19:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the studio wasn't really there.
19:33
[SPEAKER_00]: But like in other spaces it's like a bunch of men just sitting around and a room trying to come up with jokes and she was like
19:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember one of the interviews she said it has to be more like fruitful working at a denies than doing this because she just didn't enjoy it.
19:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And so she would have based like her love of writing and wanting to be a writer on that sort of situation she wouldn't have done it.
19:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which I'm just like I can't believe it.
19:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I know well it's interesting because she does say that working at Rosanne was was a little tumultuous.
19:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Like all of the writers were men and they were trying to like, you know, really start to integrate women.
20:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she
20:08
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, they finally realized that they should have somebody in the room who's menstruated.
20:12
[SPEAKER_01]: That feels so funny.
20:14
[SPEAKER_01]: But like she really didn't love it.
20:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, didn't love it so much that she almost quit to teach ballet.
20:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Because she was just like, this is not it.
20:21
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not what I want.
20:22
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not what I plan.
20:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just gotta say I do not understand.
20:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
20:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
20:29
[SPEAKER_00]: But in that, she said it also helped her hone her voice.
20:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it helped her have a perspective and a point of view because she really had to adapt to someone else's voice.
20:39
[SPEAKER_00]: But in doing so, she said that she helped focus on what her is was and how she wanted to talk because it wasn't like a normal sitcom.
20:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And so she never learned quote unquote like sitcom habits.
20:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Which I think is okay.
20:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
20:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
20:52
[SPEAKER_00]: perfectly fine.
20:53
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was more of just finding the point of view of a woman and what in her life can be mundane, but be like the most important detail of the episode.
21:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the mantra Erosan, which is one of my favorite quotes from this article, is make the small big and the big small.
21:11
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the little things that are the most relatable, not some over-the-top plot.
21:15
[SPEAKER_01]: What keeps people coming back are characters that you can really root for.
21:19
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's so important.
21:20
[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that she learned that at Roseanne was so crucial.
21:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
21:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Because yeah, she talks about how I'm going to write in the style of these voices that were so strong, you know, think Lori Metcalf.
21:30
[SPEAKER_01]: In Roseanne Metcalf, I mean, what a freaking goddess.
21:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And like an iconic actor.
21:35
[SPEAKER_01]: and to have to write in the style of that voice, because that is such an obstacle, but also the pinnacle of being a good television writer is not even just writing in the style of who you are.
21:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Because obviously, we hear Amy's voice in all of these shows.
21:47
[SPEAKER_01]: We know it's her, but it's coming out in the form of Laura like Elmar Rue, Gilmar, Mitch Mezel, et cetera.
21:54
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, to have to then really hone in on something that had already really been established, right?
22:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Because she joined the leave season three.
22:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
22:04
[SPEAKER_01]: So to have to join in on something that's already been created and established and a voice and character is already been built, I think it's such a good framework to like really make you a stronger writer.
22:14
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's no surprise that that's what came out of it for her.
22:17
[SPEAKER_01]: But what was really exciting for her because she said it was so tumultuous and like she was kind of like, I need to quit, I need to leave, I should go back and teach ballet because I'm sure that was super comfortable for her.
22:26
[SPEAKER_01]: But in her second year with the show, she wrote an episode where Becky, who's one of the teenage daughter,
22:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which isn't saying I know, but that for her it sounds like as we're really started to click she was like, oh, okay.
22:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I can do this.
22:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like in your second year on your second show Roseanne the number one show in America, you were nominated for an Emmy award for your writing.
22:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you should be doing this.
22:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely 1000%.
22:52
[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing like getting a little bit of validation when you're in a situation from the enemy herself from every herself yeah absolutely and interestingly Dan Paladino also wrote for Rosanne
23:06
[SPEAKER_01]: So Dan was a writer for years before he met Amy who worked on Who's the Boss I believe he also worked for Cheers like he worked for a bunch of, a bunch of chefs.
23:12
[SPEAKER_00]: He worked on Who's the Boss?
23:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
23:14
[SPEAKER_00]: That was Logan's favorite show growing up.
23:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's so funny.
23:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that.
23:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
23:20
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been on her hands for a month and she's like, the little mama's big.
23:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's the boss?
23:25
[SPEAKER_01]: The boss's face.
23:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember that.
23:27
[SPEAKER_01]: That's funny.
23:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
23:29
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's a writer on Who's the Boss.
23:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Now they both worked on Roseanne.
23:33
[SPEAKER_01]: But according to IMDB they worked on Roseanne at different times.
23:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so I don't know if that's where they met.
23:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
23:39
[SPEAKER_01]: It's important to maybe they met through her ex-partner, who I'm assuming is Jennifer Heath.
23:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw that too.
23:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
23:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not sure what that means.
23:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't tell if it was ex-partner like sensitive like her image writing partner or if it was like an ex like an ex-boyfriend.
23:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Totally.
23:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
23:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Which the water would not have been kind of emotional about it.
23:57
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
23:57
[SPEAKER_01]: So, in my research, just like a little bit, and I could be wrong, but this is what it said according to IMDB.
24:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Dan and Amy did not work on the show at the same time, Amy left in 1994, and Dan worked there from 1995 to 1997.
24:10
[SPEAKER_01]: But they did go on to work on a show in 1997 together called over the top with Tim Curry, and then basically all of 10 credits after that on IMDB with the exception of family guy are all on Amy's shows.
24:22
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm assuming that was like if they didn't meet on Roseanne they must have met there and the rest is history.
24:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Very exciting.
24:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because there's there was that was like the one thing that was like really lacking is like her history would Dan which like that's fine.
24:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and that's like hey, like keep it personal privacy.
24:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially because of her writing.
24:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just that is one of the things on the list of what I want to know.
24:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I've always wanted to know what her wedding to Dan was like
24:45
[SPEAKER_01]: because of the way she's written proposals, weddings, especially on Gilmoura to Spat.
24:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just like I'm so curious if she could equate her relationship with Dan or her marriage to Dan proposal, et cetera, to a relationship on Gilmoura goals, would any of them fit?
25:01
[SPEAKER_01]: The molder is at a combination of a lot of them.
25:03
[SPEAKER_00]: just she kind of put bits and pieces into them is a more suky Jackson is it more of what more I looped it at the end of the revival yeah or is it none of them is it none of that just like and she didn't want to put something like that personal in there I always wonder but something that she said in one of the articles that I've read was how her dad proposed to her mom oh really
25:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're gonna feel like of course they did because he just said, okay, I'll do it and that was how her father proposed to her mother apparently.
25:30
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
25:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was just something so casual, so like, you know, it's so Gilmore girls.
25:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
25:36
[SPEAKER_00]: That it's just like, there's no fanfare, there's no real question to it.
25:40
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, okay, I'll do it.
25:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
25:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what she said.
25:42
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how he proposed to her.
25:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
25:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, was there much precursor?
25:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, was there even a question?
25:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Just she know what it was.
25:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, she, like, okay, you'll go with me to the movies tomorrow.
25:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
25:53
[SPEAKER_01]: See you there.
25:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
25:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, while a pastor shows up a minister.
25:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
25:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Pastor and a minister.
25:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, too.
26:00
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a couple of days ago.
26:02
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but yeah, she wrote an article or she's like, running essay and in it.
26:06
[SPEAKER_00]: She talked about that was how her father proposed.
26:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
26:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, how and keeping that feel every single proposal and come across.
26:12
[SPEAKER_00]: So real and so right.
26:14
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's why I want to know, we've always questioned how she, and I must just say, Max.
26:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Wrong.
26:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Dan.
26:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Her in Max Medina.
26:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Her in, um, Dan.
26:24
[SPEAKER_00]: How they, how that happened.
26:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
26:26
[SPEAKER_00]: And very curious.
26:27
[SPEAKER_01]: If there were relationships like any of the ones depicted, or if it's not, are they Emily and Richard?
26:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you propose to her that, you know, over a trash can?
26:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
26:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it like Matt Medina where he called her and he was like, hey, let's do this.
26:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a fine middle.
26:41
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I just wasn't buying something I would love to know there's part of me that's like once to quote like romance is not dead if you'd keep it just yours But it's like there's part of me that just doesn't feel like she would believe in that because she's a very cynical person She said that before she thinks that people are born evil and that they have to have goodness be into them.
26:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
27:00
[SPEAKER_00]: So, like, there's part of me that doesn't think that she would, you know, want to print out, protect her romance, but maybe she would.
27:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
27:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
27:07
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so interesting.
27:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, speaking to Amy and Dan in the interview that I watched with Maiden Hughes, she said that Amy and Dan write separately.
27:14
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't write together.
27:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And I found that very fascinating.
27:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to know more about that because like we have talked before we're going to have some writers on the show this season to kind of like talk about their process like some of like maybe the episode that they wrote on but mostly because I want to hear about the writers room was like because they're so little like specifically about it because I want someone to tell me like exactly what went down there but from like what I could kind of determine was it's just like they would do the outline and the writers room and then they would like write.
27:41
[SPEAKER_00]: of course separately, and then it would always pass through Amy or Amy and Dan's hands so that like the dialogue would like be punched up because there's been writers who have quoted, yeah, there's a writers who's quoted as like the writers room really is in the outline and it's Amy and the dialogue.
27:57
[SPEAKER_00]: But I want to know more what that was like, I really do.
28:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll have some writers on to like hopefully.
28:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, to kind of bring some questions.
28:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
28:08
[SPEAKER_01]: But I just found that really interesting that that was her impression of it or at least what she had been told.
28:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Or knew about the two of them.
28:14
[SPEAKER_00]: So funny every time you ring up her mom, I have to think of like my mom telling a story about my life.
28:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
28:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Like her understanding of it totally.
28:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it could be totally.
28:24
[SPEAKER_00]: accurate.
28:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but also for my, I totally agree.
28:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I sometimes I love my mom, but sometimes she said things that I'm like never happened.
28:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would you confirm that for people saying that?
28:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you decided to never know.
28:37
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, we were in 1997.
28:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we were so off in her timeline.
28:42
[SPEAKER_01]: So, between Rosanne and Gilmore Girls, she left the show in 1994.
28:47
[SPEAKER_01]: In 1995, she was a co-executive producer on this TV series called Can't Hurry and Love.
28:54
[SPEAKER_01]: She also was an executive producer on a TV series called Love and Marriage, which doesn't look like it really went anywhere.
28:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And then like I said, she went to the show called Over the Top with Tim Curry, and I don't know if that's where she met Dan, but that's also where she landed.
29:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And then,
29:07
[SPEAKER_01]: She was doing a show called Veronica's Colosset from 1992, 1999, which I have heard of.
29:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I have never watched, but she was an executive producer on that.
29:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember that show.
29:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, I've seen it so funny because like on TikTok, I've seen like the intro to that show.
29:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen like clips of it.
29:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like...
29:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Does anybody remember the show?
29:27
[SPEAKER_01]: It was with Cursey Ali and Kathy Najimi.
29:29
[SPEAKER_01]: So, like, sounds like it was a lot of fun.
29:31
[SPEAKER_01]: It ran for, I think, like a few years.
29:34
[SPEAKER_01]: It ran from 97 to the year 2000.
29:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe the Amy was on the show for that long.
29:40
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like she only was with the show or 21 episodes from 1998 to 1999.
29:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And then she got a meeting at the WWE.
29:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, according to what she recounted at ATX in 2015, when they did the 15-year reunion that is such a gorgeous thing to watch.
29:58
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll post about that.
29:59
[SPEAKER_01]: It's on YouTube.
30:00
[SPEAKER_01]: It's amazing.
30:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can just look on YouTube, ATX, Gilmore Girls.
30:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And it'll come in and write us there and still make things.
30:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if you want to cozy little time, oh, go watch on.
30:09
[SPEAKER_00]: It's great.
30:10
[SPEAKER_00]: There for you.
30:10
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a coffee with Amy interview that like I watched it like six times.
30:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen that one.
30:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Really, it's cozy, is it?
30:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's a nice little time.
30:19
[SPEAKER_00]: To be fair, it's called Coffee with Amy, but she puts the coffee down like two minutes and says it's bad.
30:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, good for her.
30:25
[SPEAKER_00]: An honest woman.
30:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
30:26
[SPEAKER_01]: But according to Amy, she was optioning a story, like a bunch of stories to the WB.
30:30
[SPEAKER_01]: One of them was an LA magazine article.
30:32
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a story from LA magazine, about a girl from the Philippines who was raised in America with very traditional parents.
30:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, she had a lot of plot.
30:38
[SPEAKER_01]: She had pages and pages of work on this.
30:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And the WB was like,
30:41
[SPEAKER_01]: okay what else do you have?
30:44
[SPEAKER_01]: So because like they weren't biting it anything she kind of blurred it out this idea about a mother and daughter who were more like friends and they were like great well by that
30:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And she said that she said the right before that like leaning up to that she decided she wasn't going to work in television anymore because you know she come off a nightmare job and I wonder if that was Veronica's closet.
31:00
[SPEAKER_00]: But she didn't name me.
31:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And Dan, you know, she said my husband said, you know, shut up and just write something just write something that you that you love.
31:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And so basically when they were bored with all the things she was pitching and she blurt out this idea about a mother and daughter who were more like friends and mother and daughter,
31:19
[SPEAKER_00]: My favorite part of that is that when she left that, she said, I didn't have an idea.
31:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I had a relationship.
31:26
[SPEAKER_00]: And that concept of like, because you know, like, plot is very important when you're going through a story.
31:32
[SPEAKER_00]: You need a plot.
31:33
[SPEAKER_00]: You need this story needs to unfold.
31:35
[SPEAKER_00]: But I love that the idea of this show that we all love.
31:38
[SPEAKER_00]: clearly because like what else are we doing here if not loving yo more girls yeah was born because she had the idea for the relationship yeah and it's really hard to pull a story out of a relationship and like put it someplace and like make it fit into where you need it to be yeah but she did work
31:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, because shortly after they went on vacation to Connecticut, which is so funny, being someone who lives in Connecticut, and I'm like, why would you vacation?
32:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know why she went there?
32:02
[SPEAKER_00]: She wanted to go see the Mark Twain House.
32:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
32:05
[SPEAKER_01]: She wanted to see the Mark Twain House, the Red Room.
32:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
32:07
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a long story.
32:09
[SPEAKER_01]: So funny, but they ended up staying at like this beautiful in in the fall and she was like walking around It's packed out.
32:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm probably watching to deepen.
32:16
[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't depokinetic it And she said that like everybody was like talking to each other and saying hello and like asking how their day was and she was like What yeah, this is a real place that she's not be real.
32:25
[SPEAKER_00]: She said she went to the diner and everyone was just kind of serving themselves and she was like
32:29
[SPEAKER_00]: What is this?
32:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially if you are from LA, because she grew up there, like she didn't know really anywhere else, Connecticut is culture shock.
32:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me tell you.
32:39
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what she called growing up in the valley?
32:41
[SPEAKER_00]: She said it was the land of porn and the color brown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, yeah, so then to go someplace where she has this idea of like, you know, this idea like small town Where she had this like idea like small town where like there was a pumpkin patch across the street and everyone knew each other And this was like a fantasy world to her because she was like this is how everyone else lives who doesn't live in the land of the color brown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah So it just is so interesting because stars hollow is very brown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very
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[SPEAKER_01]: Brown.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess that's what was interwoven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's lots of brown corduroy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She had to pay homage to her hometown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She really did, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, she turned to Dan and was like, I just said here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's here and they were singing and I maybe she works in an inn and then you know, obviously they go into the diner.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've actually been to that diner.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very cute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Have you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's very good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, definitely is not Luke's diner, but it's cute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We take me for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will take you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's been updated since then because obviously like this was in the year 2000 and I went there during the pandemic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like, you know, 20 years later, it's definitely been judged.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't feel necessarily small town diner.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels more like a cafe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that the idea for it was born from this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Star's Hall, it was actually like it was Washington D. Bow was where they went and it was kind of inspired by, but it's also a culmination of another town called the Chfield and then New Millford, which I went to it's the town north of where I grew up and Connecticut and really yeah and New Millford is like center of town is the gazebo the little shops are everywhere like
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[SPEAKER_01]: it definitely feels like stars hollow there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when I read that, I was really excited.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that kind of just like the whole story seemed to unfold from that, because apparently I didn't know this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hartford is the insurance capital of the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, she said that being in Connecticut, just the backdrop of the show, just sort of like fell together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like the time they were there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It just feels so magical.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like it's one of those, another moment of that like folklore feeling, that like you're just like, this is the lore
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to believe it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is, that's what happened, you know, there was nothing else to it, everything felt together right then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, it feels so magical.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you think about the fact that she was able to kind of build out this town, what's great about, cannot get and I'm sure a lot of other places is that you can kind of dream up this town in your mind and you kind of put in there whatever you'd like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But until I really realized that like dance was such a big part of her life,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Miss Patty School of Dance now makes a lot of sense, even though it was kind of this like side character in and of itself both Miss Patty and the dance studio because you see them doing that like all of the time or doing some form of dance and the way some dance in the town square with something that they're doing Literally like Miss Patty is always smoking a really long cigarette And somebody had a dance and I just wonder how much of her mother was also kind of
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[SPEAKER_01]: thrown into that or like any of the dance teachers that she had yeah yeah it's just yeah so funny but I love that bun heads was what was where that was really zoomed in on this wasn't necessarily part of the story it was just this kind of like it was this thing that existed that allowed space for the musicality within Gilmore Girls
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[SPEAKER_00]: It almost feels like that's why Gamor Girls is more Amy because it was less about the focus because she had let it go from her life to some degree, but it was still there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was very clearly within the fabric of the town is Miss Patty and her dance and the dance studio that was woven into who Amy is, that's how the felon stars hollow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's not the focus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I love it for her mom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I love that she kind of built out all these different little mediums for these characters to exist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we haven't really necessarily gotten into the actual structure of the town.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about the townies and like what they do, but like when you really think about what she built in this town to create.
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[SPEAKER_01]: spaces for all of them to thrive like Taylor his character and like you know him working at Dozy's market but also kind of being the town select man and like yeah and his diner Paddy her dance studio you know interestingly I've no idea what but that and more I do for money but like you know they just exist
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[SPEAKER_01]: and like a piece of, you know, Kirk has all of these jobs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got the flower shop, got Bootsie and his new stand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like she really created all of these different mediums, and I do think it was a blend of coming from, of course, visiting this town.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like you said, it's kind of coming from Amy's mind's eye where she didn't grow up in a town like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is kind of this face you were all that she was able to build out for herself, which I think is so
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[SPEAKER_01]: so cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to that, I think the other thing that I really love about kind of going back to what she said about building out characters that you really root for, making the mundane, seem kind of spectacular, marvelous, no pun intended.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We love the pun today, we do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Something that she said that was written about in this Instile article that I really love is that she says female protagonists have just always been my jam.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All of my leaning ladies are sharp, smart, funny, have strong points of view, but they're very different too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Laura Ligo Moore was dealing with not knowing how to let people in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Michelle on bun heads was the classic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had a chance I fucked it up now here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mitch Mazele had the life she wanted, then discovered an ambition that preempted everything else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Susie Meyerson has the filthiest mouth, yet there's such vulnerability behind it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A woman doesn't have to be an FBI agent with a gun to her head to be a badass check on TV.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to me is more about barging through life and putting the world together on your terms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like that's what she did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't just do that through her character.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She did that through the world of which she built this like small town that just like she built it on her terms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then went on and continued to build those characters on her terms, which is so cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for our show that we're that we're here to talk about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She built three female protagonists with like, I would argue that Rory kind of like, you know, doesn't necessarily have like strong opinions, but Laura and Emily just like completely bashing heads together are these women who are sharp, smart and funny with very strong points of view.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like Rory of like the idea of like someone who was raised by someone with a very strong opinion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm not perspective, but my favorite part about that quote is how she defines Laura lie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Laura like Elmore was dealing with not knowing how to let people in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like when I read that I was like, oh, I know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so we're gonna have a whole episode about that about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: whole entire idea and concept for her to like distill her character that way I was like wow lots to unpack and those like what like 10 words I know I know it's so true because that's a lot of her entire arc yeah and I wonder how much of of Laura like has you know I know a lot of it came from Amy's mind's eye and like her brain but I wonder how much of her personality and I'm sure it's a lot but we'd have to actually like talk to Amy to see how much of it was kind of intro
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[SPEAKER_01]: but also like her nuances, what she likes, what she doesn't like her references, and that's something that interestingly, Entertainment Weekly just didn't article, like within last week or two, about Amy and about her inspirations, her pop culture inspirations, because we've talked a lot about her, you know, familial inspirations where she came from her history, but talking about
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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of the things that she's into a woman into her shows and into her characters that she grew up on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The pop culture references she loves because we talk a lot about things that Amy loves like Skippy and Sissy and I'm like, yeah, that would be like on Patreon we're jokingly keeping like this like very casual running list of like Amy's favorite things like she loves Ella Fitzgerald.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She loves Fiddle on the roof.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She loves the name Skippy and Sissy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She loves me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she loves being like you're eight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're four years old which in the ATX interview She says you're all eight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know yeah crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we're just like keeping this like running list of things that come up a lot Because it's like how she was influence totally wait actually before me move on Speaking of the ATX interview something that she did say is that she wrote the dialogue for the
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[SPEAKER_01]: and she still has it, but she cracks, yes, but she cracks a joke at ATX about pulling it out to see if it brings her joy and the fact that she put that Marie condo thing in there in a year in the life gorgeous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like I love that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was such a prime example of how like Amy's every day jargon, what she talks about what she says always finds its way into the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So these references, these pop culture references that she grew up on, literally is her mind, just being put to paper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Seriously, because if you ever lead the Gilmore Isms booklets, then come with the DVD box set, there's like little Amy under the Gilmore Isms, there's like Amy notes and a lot of them are like comedians that reference their dad that they're like really obscure references but for her,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like so foundational to who she is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I was so excited by this entertainment weekly article that came out because you and I were like, oh, we can share a little joky list that we've been creating of like Amy's favorite things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then here they literally brought it into our laps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it was for the last season of Mazeal and so they're writing up a lot about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that some of the influences are geared towards Mazeal and whatnot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's more current, but it's interesting to watch the way in which it's also kind of interwoven into Gilmour Girls because there's so much show there There's such a bridge between Masal and Gilmour that, you know, we'll get into in another episode that there are so many plot points references dialogue like
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[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of things that bridge the gap between the two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I see a lot of that in this article.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think we necessarily have to get into all of the ones that are referenced in this entertainment weekly article.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Y'all can go and seek that out on your own, but yeah, she does make mention in this first, this first title that they give the 2000 year old man that Amy says, my influences on Gilmore Girls always came from the same places.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My comedy influences came from
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[SPEAKER_01]: includes Mel Brooks Carl Reiner and the 2000 year old man that started everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My father was a comics or a group around groups of men sitting in the backyard talking quickly and making each other laugh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My comedy came from the rhythm of Borch Belt and that Jewish Yiddish timing, which was Mel Brooks, which was Carl Reiner.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, we failed to mention that Amy was raised Jewish sort of according to her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because she actually, there's an essay that she wrote about it, where she was not really like raised Jewish, because her mother was a Baptist, and her father wasn't really practicing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was really only like in name that she was raised that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was more of a raised in the religion of dance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of how she framed it exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in that vein, something else that she included in this article,
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[SPEAKER_00]: was like that the impact that musical comedy had in the same way that like the 2000-year-old man did that it's like but you can like feel that in like the way that the story unfolds because it's like the classic musicals where she talks about like it's like something is constantly happening because she says she has no attention span so she doesn't want anyone else to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that it's like the fast dialogue and everything's always moving.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But something that we mentioned in our last episode where you read the article or not the article where you read the missing scene that maybe fits, season two episode three, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where she talks about how like in a musical or in a classic musical everything's constantly moving but when it stops that's when you start paying attention and that's kind of how that felt is like it felt like that
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[SPEAKER_00]: dialogue that was so breathy, or breathless, rather.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It felt like it was too much, but when she said the one line, everything stopped.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that feels like that's where the impact of things like that come across in the science.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like we stop on a dime.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like you can totally see where that falls in, especially with all of the musical references that she has.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, in the way that she leaves musicality into her work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, she loves a good fiddler on the roof reference, and now we know why.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She raised you as sort of and she loves a musical.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Something else that she mentioned was the work of Norman Lear, which includes all in the family, which is where Sally Strothers got her big break.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Gosh, look at that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that she will be able to work with Sally Struthers growing up on a show like that and to incorporate her into her world and build this character But bet for her and to also include you know Sally Struthers and Liz Torres and their musical background in a lot of what they do is is with a special I really love that the other one
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[SPEAKER_00]: the like in terms of musical or yeah I was Tony Kushner which I'd love when you can like so clearly see like someone that she loves and like find where this reference in the show because she really likes Carolina change and Rory says that she talks about how like brilliant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caroline our changes when her and Logan are breaking into the dining hall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I just I love when you can like so clearly find something that's like one of her favorite things and she's like Oh, drop it in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because a lot of the times is like it feels like these references like who could know all of these things?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because there's so many, and some of them are so obscure, but she just felt like this is like two people who are like constantly reading, watching TV, like listening to music, watching movies, this is how they would talk, and this is how their brain would work, and she's always wanted to make her audience's feel really smart, which I've always really appreciated that, like even if you don't get it, you might get the next one, you know, like you just, it just is moving along.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's how we kind of grew up on the show, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, we would hear something and we knew it was funny.
45:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but we didn't know what was supposed to be funny, but it kind of encourages you to like go look that up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I want to know what that means.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is that from?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then like you are exposed to this world that you otherwise wouldn't have known.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that was like someone asked her is like, if she intended that, like if this was like her trying to educate like a new generation of people on all of these things that she loved.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she was like, absolutely not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was inadvertent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, because it sounds like, you know, I, I don't remember which article this came from, but I remember reading.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know we read so much about this woman, but we can link them if you guys want to go for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But something was said about her, her dad and how they wanted to keep older writers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: in the room at first because that was promoting this idea of like they know so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They know a lot about what was and you know what's happening now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were finding that like they really wanted to stay current and also hire a lot more female writers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why older writers started to kind of become more passe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But interestingly, the irony of that is that Amy was pulling out a lot of older references because of her dad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how she was a young female writer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of pulling out all of these things that I don't know that I don't want to make this generalization, but I will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that, you know, maybe someone her age, like the average woman of her age didn't necessarily know because they weren't exposed to those things and she was because of her dad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's something so ironic and beautiful about that, very poetic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's always interesting that this was like pop culture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: References is how people are portrayed because it's like, most of the reference, I would consider not necessarily popular culture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's just like the references that she grew up on of like, honestly, like a different time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But she did mention that like, she would make a really obscure reference
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the next page there'd be Justin Timberley.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, no, it was so interesting.
47:47
[SPEAKER_01]: So why, and I loved it.
47:49
[SPEAKER_01]: So I know that we just, you know, kind of shared a ton of information leading up to Gilmour Girls, and what's been interwoven into Gilmour Girls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But is there, you know, we're not really going to get into the aftermath of that quite yet, because I think that we could do a whole another episode on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: there's so much more to say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But is there anything that you want to know about her that we didn't really get into?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know we talked about I really want to know from it'll name as Victoria.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that would be just like a snippet of information.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the number one question for me is about her relationship with Dan, how that transpired, how they met, what their, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: wedding was like was it simple was it okay fine I'll do it because there's like some degree of it it was like I want to know everything I want to be a busy body give me your whole life story you know but at the same time it's like I want to do we just want to remain what it is I think that I would really want to know how the proposal went down
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[SPEAKER_00]: if only because like I do like that we get that little snippet from her about her parents, but I just would like to know like what exactly went down for her because like she has like in there's like a whole article about her talking about how cynical of a person she is and that like she genuinely like is quoted as saying here let me pull it up that I believe the people are born evil and you have to beat goodness into them I don't think it's the other way around
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think there's good in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I expect to be disappointed at any given moment, but she said maybe that's why I write hopeful things because maybe something will.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do believe people won't evil and you have to be goodness into them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was almost this moment where she was like maybe I write hopeful things because maybe something hopeful will happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like maybe there's something worth hoping for.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But she says she's not a hopeful person and so like interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it makes me want to like know more about like I feel like that's something that's one of the reasons why I love the book club of like having like a very romance focus book club Because like what is more hopeful than loving someone and so that's why I want to know like what it was like for her to
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[SPEAKER_00]: find someone like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if it's never something we get an answer on, it's just for someone who is so self-defined as being so cynical and I wouldn't say hopeless, but like she says she's not hopeful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like how falling in love comes about for someone like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's like that's interesting.
50:06
[SPEAKER_01]: That's such an interesting question.
50:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe we don't necessarily need to know how they got married, how they, you know, chose to get married, what it was like, how it evolved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because obviously, they're doing something right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've been together for quite some time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're working together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they work together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, start to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it really is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It really is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It really is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they seem to really trust each other, but like the work for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they wouldn't be working together this closely on so many things if they did it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, you're totally right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, maybe just to picture from their wedding is would suffice for me just for all of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: God, I hope she's wearing all black and a top hat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, or like red or something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, something something.
50:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's why I wonder how much of it may have been woven into Lorelai and Luke's wedding in the revival because Lorelai is not wearing white.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's something really special about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But on that note,
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're curious what our listeners want to know, or if you have anything that we may be missed, some plot holes in our email episode that you want to share with us, things that you'd want us to expand on, we'd love to hear from you guys, call in, share your opinions, ask some of questions, give us some plot holes, maybe we missed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe have a question and we can look into it, and see something, see if we can miss something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do some more research.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have one more point that I want to bring up, but I think I'll have more to say on that in the next episode.