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Ep. 227 ~ The Long And Winding Road · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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Everything is going to hail down here in Texas. Paul. Yeah, what's
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up everybody. Welcome to the Lone Gunman Podcast. This is episode two hundred
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and twenty seven, and I am your host, Big Bad Bob otherwise known
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as Rob Clark, here with you again today for another fine, entertaining and
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informative show, an episode of the Lone Gumming Podcast. Happy Easter. First
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of all, yeah, this is what I'm doing on Easter. He has
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risen and so have I. So let's get ready to it now. On
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the last episode, we talked about a certain Johnson thirty OD six rifle that
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mysteriously vanished from everywhere what was seemly found in or around Daily Plaza on November
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the twenty sec, nineteen sixty three, which led to the FBI investigating fingerprints
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found on the rifle belonging to Lauren Hall and Roy Leroy Pain of the Halfcock
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Detective Agency. So if you missed that episode, I would encourage everyone to
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follow and all that happy jazz, share them whatever. So today we're gonna
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be taking a look at a couple generals and colonels who might have some kind
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of bearing on the events that happened in November twenty, nineteen sixty three.
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And I promise you this is going somewhere, So don't just die off on
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me. Fifteen minutes in. I'm telling you it's going somewhere. You're gonna
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want to pay attention to the end. So the first person we're going to
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talk about here today, the first general is Charles Willoughby. Willoughby, Now
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some of you have heard his name attached to some of these extreme right wing
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factions in the United States. But just to set the stage, I'm gonna
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explain to you a little bit about who these people were and kind of explain
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how they're quote involved or possibly involved in the Kennedy assassination. We're going to
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start with Charles Willoughby. Okay. His real name is actually adolph Is Shepp
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Wiedenbach Okay, the son of Baron von Shepp Wiedenbach from Baden, Germany and
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Emma Willoughby, and he was born in eighteen ninety two. After attending the
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University of Heidelberg, Willoughby moved to the United States in nineteen ten and became
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known as Charles Willoughby. Willoughby joined the Army and served with Company K,
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fifth u S Infantry and eventually reached the rank of sergeant. He was commissioned
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a major in nineteen fourteen in the Officers of Volunteer Corps. During the First
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World War, Willoughby served on the Western Front. In October of nineteen nineteen,
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Captain Willoughby was reassigned to the twenty fourth Infantry, serving in Columbus,
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New Mexico. His next assignment took him overseas to San Juan, Puerto Rico,
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where again he served as both company and battalion commander in the sixty fifth
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Infantry from February twenty from February twenty one. The May of twenty three,
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he now joined the Military Intelligence Division and served as military attache in Venezuela,
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Columbia, and Ecuador. In August twenty nine, Willoughby started a course at
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the Command and General Staff School at Fort Leavenworth, Texas. After graduating two
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years later, he stayed on at the school as an instructor, teaching the
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subjects of intelligence and military history. He also edited the Command and General Staff
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School quarterly. In nineteen thirty six, he was appointed as an instructor in
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the Infantry School at Fort Benning. Later he was promoted to the bank of
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lieutenant colonel. He developed extreme right wing views and once delivered a speech to
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Spanish dictator General Lissimo Francisco Franco at a lunch in Madrid. He also praised
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Lenito Mussolini historical judgment. Freed from the emotional haze of the moment, will
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credit Mussolini with wiping out a memory of defeat by re establishing the traditional military
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supremacy of the white race. Oh Willoughby became logistics officer in the headquarters of
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the Philippine Department in Manila, where he served under General Douglas MacArthur. Maybe
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you've heard of that guy promoted to the rank of major general. Here we
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go, Okay, he was a major general. Willoughby served as General MacArthur's
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chief of Intelligence in the General Headquarters Southwest Pacific Area from nineteen forty one to
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nineteen fifty one. The Japanese Air Force attacked the US Pacific Fleet at Pearl
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Harbor on December the seventh, nineteen forty one. The following day, they
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carried out air strikes in the Philippines and destroyed half of MacArthur's air force.
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MacArthur was much criticized for this, as he had been told to move his
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air force after the raid on Hawaii the previous day. The Japanese Army also
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invaded the Philippines, and they soon held three eight bases in northern Luzon,
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and on twenty second of December, the fourteenth Army landed at Lingian Golf and
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quickly gained control of Manila from the inexperienced Filipino troops. Although only fifty seven
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thousand Japanese officers were landed on Luzon, it had little difficulty capturing the island.
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General Douglas Arthur now ordered a general retreat to the Batan Peninsula. A
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series of assaults forced the US defensive lines back, and on twenty second worried
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in nineteen forty two, MacArthur was ordered to leave Baton and go to Australia.
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General Jonathan Wainwright remained behind with eleven thousand soldiers and managed to hold out
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until the beginning of May. In December of nineteen forty two, Willoughby was
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with General Robert Mackelberger in the capture of Buona Village in the Buonagona Campaign.
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He was awarded the Army's second highest declaration for gallantry, the Distinguished Service Crossed
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for Extraordinary Heroism in action. Willoughby accompanied Douglas MacArthur to Tokyo for the occupation
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of Japan. When attempts to suppress news to the United States ended in failure,
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he labeled reporters who defied him as communist. A Cold War warrior,
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he was a strong supporter of the activitivities of Joseph McCarthy. He also lobbied
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the Congress to authorize one hundred million dollars for General Franco's government in Spain.
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Arthur once described the six foot three inch Willoughby as quote, my little fascist.
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How cute. In nineteen fifty one, Let's see, Willoughby went before
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the House of un American Activities and provided info about the Richard swords By a
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network. This included info that claimed that Agnes Smedley was a Communist subversive.
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In retirement, Willoughby was a member of the International Committee for the Defense of
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Christian Culture. During the nineteen fifties, he worked closely with Billy James hargesst.
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Hl Hunt, John Russelot, and other extreme right wing figures. Willoughby
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was also a board member of Young Americans for Freedom, an organization created by
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Larry Schmidt. Two days after the assassination of John F. Kennedy, a
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long distance telephone operator in Mexico City monitored an international phone call. She heard
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one of the voices saying, quote, the Castro plan is being carried out.
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Bobby is next unquote. The telephone numbers were traced. One number belonged
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to Emilio Nunie's Port Nado port Chuando, the Latin American affairs editor of Willoughby's
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Foreign Intelligence Digest. In nineteen sixty eight, Willoughby moved with his wife too
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beautiful Naples, Florida, and Charles Willoughby died on October the twenty fifth,
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nineteen seventy two. It's from the book The Man Who Knew Too Much by
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Dick Russell, a White House memorand and prepared for jeffk in mid August sixty
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three estimated the Radical rights spend as much as twenty five million dollars annually,
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supported by seventy foundations, one hundred and three rags and twenty five utility companies,
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and two hundred and fifty rich identifiable individuals. And the thick of it
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all and much more was General Charles Willoughby. While his mentor mentor, General
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MacArthur, passed into quiet retirement and was occasionally sought by Kennedy for advice,
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Willoughby approached his seventieth birthday with samurai swords placed strategically next to his desk.
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Willoughby's Holy War against the Red Menace found him sitting on the boards of most
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of the major conservative groups and reaching into Europe and Latin America to start his
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own International Committee for the Defense of Christian Culture. Willoughby's publisher and friend,
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Billy James Hargests, was a short, portly double chinned fellow in his mid
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thirties, who gained much of his financial support from h Hunt and other wealthy
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oilmen, along with Willoughby, who was his Washington eyes and ears. Another
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of Hargert's advisory committee members was retired Lieutenant Lieutenant General Pedro Davalier, US Marine
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commander in the Pacific Theater during World War Two. After the Korean War,
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Davalier had become president of ITT's Latin American operations. In September of sixty one,
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Billy James Hargus announced that a secret fraternity to coordinate right wing activities would
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soon be formed, and on March twenty one, sixty two, a carefully
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selected group was called together in Washington. No press were allowed at the founding
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session of the Anti Communist Liaison, which brought together one hundred delegates representing some
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seventy five right wing groups at the Washington Hotel. Named as its chairman and
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operating head was Edward Hunter, a national advisory board member of the Young Americans
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for Freedom. The new group's insider was US Representative John Rousselot, a John
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Birch Society's spokesman and Christian Crusade board member from Los Angeles had also had a
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Southern California outsider, a Colonel William Potter Gail, another ex MacArthur Mann.
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In nineteen sixty two, a California state chairman of the Constitution Party, Colonel
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Gail announced his candidacy for the governorship on a platform calling for the abolition of
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all income taxes. Hey, I'm for that. He also organized, soon
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after a pivotal springtime meeting in Washington, a paramilitary outfit. So there's a
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little bit. Well, this part is kind of fascinating to me as well.
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I don't know if you guys ever watched History Channel show. I think
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it was called Yakashi Yamasheeda's Gold, where these guys were looking for all this
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gold that had been plundered and looted. I'm all over the scific by General
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Yamashida during a War two and hidden all over the place, supposed to be
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a treasure of untold millions maybe billions of gold and other valuables. But just
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to kind of tip a hat towards that from the Gold Warriors by the Seagraves,
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Sterling and Peggy. In Europe, the USS at times worked closely with
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other intelligence services but competition and rival rivalry were intense. One of the fiercest
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turf battles over the tracking of Nazi loot went on inside the US government ways
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between the Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthal and Alan Dullas, the OSS chief
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in Switzerland. Switzerland, they've romantic who had a much more cavalier attitude about
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such things. Access loot was being moved under the noses of allies into neutral
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safe havens, and one instance, American agents in Switzerland watched two hundred and
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eighty trucks of Nazi gold moved from Germany across France and Spain to the safe
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haven of Neutral Portugal owned by the native or private Swiss firms. The trucks
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were painted with the Swiss Cross, allowing the gold to be moved under neutral
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cover. However, while the gathering of intelligence on war loot may have been
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disjointed, ultimately all such reports were passed up to the office of the Secretary
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of War Henry Stimpson. He had a special interest in the subject of looted
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bullion and kept a group of financial experts thinking hard about it. Three of
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these men were Stimpson and special assistants John J. McCloy maybe you heard of
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him, Robert Lovett and consulting Robert Anderson. Unlike Europe, where the OSS
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was tolerated by General Dwight Eisenhower and the Southern Pacific, General MacArthur resisted all
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attempts by the OSS to get a foothold in his territory. MacArthur and staff
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intended to conduct their own brand of special ops from their headquarters in Australia without
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any interference. In Australia, Willoughby set up the Allied Intelligence Bureau to run
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guerrilla operations in the Philippines. He also started the Allied Translator and Interpreter Section
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otherwise known as the AETIS, to monitor Japanese radio broadcast and interrogate prisoners and
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translate captured jack beneath the documents. Most men in Adis were brought were Nisi,
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second generation Japanese born in foreign countries, in this case born in America
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of Japanese parents. However, Willoughby's approach to guerrilla warfare proved to be too
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cautious for MacArthur, who craved audacity. Leaving Willoughby in charge of intelligence gathering,
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MacArthur gave special operations to his intimate friend and personal attorney, Courtney Whitney.
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Willoughby was furious, but MacArthur suzed him by promoting him to general.
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In this way, MacArthur's intimate crony, Courtney Whitney, became the key man
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running secret agents in the Islands and reporting of the war loot, including those
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from John Ballinger. The OSS had no part whatsoever in this. Whitney was
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effective in special OSTs because he was well connected in Manila, a clever rich
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man on the first name basis with all the political politically powerful families in the
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Philippines. In the late twenties, when he had been fresh at a law
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school in DC, MacArthur got Whitney a job with top Manila law firm of
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DeWitt, Perkins and Annie, who handled MacArthur's financial affairs in the Islands and
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by Pearl Harbor. Whitney was intimately involved in all manner of political, legal
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and financial intrigues has played in the Islands. He could call in favors for
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men like Santa Romani. Now there's a little picture of Karl's Willoughby, the
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extreme right wing major general in the US Army, served under General MacArthur.
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And now we move on to one of his proteges, one of Willoughby's protegees.
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Now, before we do, just keep in mind that folks like Willoughby
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and folks like General Walker, we're avorting with people like Billy James Hargis and
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hl Hunt frequently. This is big money behind a big agenda, and that
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is anti communism, extreme right wing ideology. Okay, donal, Let's move
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on to one of Willoughby's proteges, man by the name of Colonel Bishop.
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Colonel William Bishop, like I said, just stick with me. I promise
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this is going somewhere. Okay, interesting history, but I'm laying the foundation
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so you have the entire picture in your brain of who these people were in
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history. Okay. Now, Colonel William C. Bishop was born in nineteen
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twenty three, and during the Second World War he joined the United States Army.
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He served under General Douglas MacArthur as military intelligence aide on the General Staff
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Intelligence. His immediate supervisor was General Charles Willoughby. Okay, this guy is
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directly protege of Charles Willoughby. Bishop also worked with Willoughby during the Korean War.
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Bishop also worked with the Central Intelligence Agency and became involved in its black
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operations. This involved a policy that was later to become known as Executive Ashing,
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plan to remove unfriendly foreign leaders from power. Maybe maybe you've heard of
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it. In nineteen sixty one, he was responsible for the assassination of Raphael
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Truhilo, the leader of the Dominican Republic. Bishop was also involved in Operation
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forty, a CIA hit squad set up before the Bay of Pigs invasion.
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Frank Sturgis, another member of Operation forty, later explained quote, this assassination
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group would, upon orders naturally assassinate either members of the military or the political
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parties of the foreign country that you were going to infiltrate, and if necessary,
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some of your own members who were suspected of being foreign agents. We
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were concentrating strictly in Cuba at that particular time. Actually they were operating out
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of Mexico too. During this period, Bishop worked under Desmond Fitzgerald of the
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CIA, and was involved with anti Castro groups in Miami, such as Alpha
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sixty six. He was the case officer for Antonio Vestiana and claims that Santa
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Trafficante helped to fund his organization. Bishop also had a close relationship with David
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Atlee Phillips and Roland Mass For okay, these are all names and organizations you've
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heard of before. I told you we were getting closer. In December of
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nineteen sixty two, Doug belie Vido Santiago had a meeting with a lay or
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connected to a citizens committee to free Cuba. He told Vado about a conversation
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he had had with the Henry Cabot Lodge, who had been told by Walt
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Rosto the John F. Kennedy was exploring quote a plan to open a dialogue
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with Cuba. Vado was furious about what he considered to be an act of
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betrayal and immediately told leaders of the Anticaster community and his CIA contact, Colonel
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William Bishop. According to dick Russell, Vadoo was also an information conduit for
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General Edwin Walker. Dick Russell later interviewed William Bishop, who confirmed that he
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was aware of the plot to kill jfk. He claimed the plot included such
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people as Tony Verona and Roland Mass firm. By nineteen sixty three, the
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Cuban element see Kennedy had gone to Miami to the Orange Bowl down there and
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made this statement that the Brigades flag would fly over Cuba and all this crap
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that was a stop gap. The exiles for a time believed him, and
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shortly after that a presidential executive order came out that no military style in persians
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into Cuba based from the United States would be tolerated. The end result was
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a complete distrust and dislike for Kennedy and his administration by the Cuban exiles.
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You take Tony Verona and Rolando mass For to name him but two, and
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there were many many more. When serious talks began to happen about the possibility
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of assassinating Kennedy. In another interview he gave to Dick Russell in nineteen ninety,
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Colonel Bishop claimed that Jimmy Hoffa gave Roland mass for fifty thousand dollars to
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arrange the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Bishop disapproved of this act.
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I firmly believe in our system of government. If you don't like demand,
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then vote him out of office, don't shoot him out. And what we
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had was a coup. Data in November twenty sec nineteen sixty three, And
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that's according to Colonel William Bishop. Furthermore, Interviewed by Dick Russell in nineteen
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ninety Bishop says, I did look into Oswald's background. I'd never met him,
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but I had seen him in a training film in New Orleans the past
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summer. He just happened to be in the group out there at the Ponta
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train camp trying to get in with the anti Castro exiles. I thought even
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then that Oswald was a decoy. There's no way in hell he could have
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fire three shots in that space of time with that accuracy, with that weapon.
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Of course, when Oswald was killed, the Warren Commission's investigation was a
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joke. The whole bit military intelligence CIA FBI where the mistake was made.
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The intelligence reports coming in from various men in the field were not assimilated and
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categorized and broken down to get some logical conclusion. The Warren Commission went into
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this thing with a preconceived idea overly simplified. In Oswalt's case, they tried
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to make a round peck and drive that son of a bitch into a square
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hole, and they did it. Inter Viewed again by Dick Russell, this
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time from nineteen ninety two, what were you doing in New Orleans? That
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summer, I asked. Bishop paused and took a deep breath, pushing his
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glasses back above his nose. He turned to give a hard look at Gary
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Shaw. How far can I really trust him? Bishop to ask, casting
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a finger in my direction. Paul said, tell him anything you'd tell me.
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Bishop nodded and continued. I was to obtain additional funding, say this
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no more from the crimestend to get out of New Orleans for Alpha sixty six.
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At that point in time, Rolando mask For was the key bag man,
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for lack of a better term, for Alpha sixty six. Primarily the
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funding came through the syndicate because of mass For's connection with those people back in
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Cuba. He had ties to Santo Traffic, Conte Junior and other criminal elements
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organized crime pure and simple. He also had different ties with Jimmy Hoffa as
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far back as sixty two, I think, but Rolando, from time to
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time when it came to large sums of money, had sticky fingers. I
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think that's why he was killed eventually, Either that or because of the Kennedy
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assassination, because he knew about it. Colonel stopped talking again and sat in
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silence for a time. Then resumed in low tones. By nineteen sixty three,
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the Cuban Elephancy Kennedy had gone to Miami and oh we already, we
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already used this quote. Yeah, talking about the and pissing off the Cuban
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exiles. But to move on. According to Fabian Ascalante, okay, this
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comes from the Cuban officials in JFK Historian's conference in December of nineteen ninety five.
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He for like Philippe Vidal, Santiago was arrested in March of nineteen sixty
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four when he tried to ram his boat in Cuba with three others to perform
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acts of sabotage there. He had many conversations with us. He just told
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us this of his own accord. We didn't really ask questions. Our answers
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really were in the plan of sabotage, sabotage, sabotage, when and where.
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We wanted to know what was behind the sabotage. And then he started
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to talk about his subject. So then that's why a decision was made to
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take down everything he said, and that's why we have tapes. He talked
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about things not associated with the sabotage. There were too many people we didn't
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have the resources or tapes to take it. It was in his first declaration
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a bunch of political information. He came to us for the first time to
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talk to us about September of sixty two opening a communication with Cuba, and
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that was very important to take all of his conversations about Cuba. He was
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informing the groups of exiles in the United States about Kennedy administration's attempts to have
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a dialogue with Cuba, and while interrogating Santiago in Cuba, we came up
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with some more interesting information. He was arrested in March of nineteen sixty four,
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a few months after the assassination. He explained that he had a relationship
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with the CIA official who was military intelligence, a William Bishop. He says
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in a November of sixty three, Colonel William Bishop invited him to a meeting
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in Dallas, who was a meeting with a few wealthy people in Dallas talking
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about financing an anti Castro invasion into Cuba. The first few days was November
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sixty three. He says that Colonel William Bishop picked him up in his car
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in Miami and they drove to Dallas, and that they were there for about
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four days. This would have had to happen the weekend before the assassination.
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According to what he says, they stayed in a second class hotel. Bishop
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left several times to have interviews, but this guy did not know who he
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was talking to. After approximately four days, they returned to Miami. After
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the assassination. They were in Tallahassee when he went to visit a new house
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for a new car. I'm guessing them they bought. He bought a new
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house in a new car. This is from High Times Magazine, August nineteen
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ninety six, in an article by Dick Russell. Ex militant Phelipe Videlle Santiago
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arrested on a sixty four sabotage mission and that Cuba told his captors that in
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Washington, DC in December sixty two, had met with lobbyists connected to a
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citizens committee to free Cuba. This lawyer informed Vidella Santiago of a conversation he'd
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had with Republican Henry Cabot Lodge, soon to be US Ambassadors South Vietnam,
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who said he'd heard from Kennedy aide Walt Rosto of a plan to open dialog
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with Cuba Udall told us he was very surprised. In fact, Vidal,
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infuriated in betrayed betrayde, had alerted his exile cohorts as well as his CIA
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contact, Colonel William Bishop. It was almost like a bomb, an intentional
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message against Kennedy. Vidoo was also an information condo witch for General Edwin Walker,
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the ultra Wright Texan paramilitary leader at whom Oswald had allegedly taken a shot
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in April of sixty three, and FBI files called Vidal a very close friend
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of Miami monster and CIA affiliated John Martino, who intimidated the family and associates
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that he had four knowledge of the JFK assassination. Philippe VI Dallas Santiago told
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Cuban intelligence that on the weekend before the assassination he was invited to a meeting
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in Dallas by CIA's Colonel William Bishop. It was supposed to be a meeting
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with a few other people to talk about financing anti Castro operations because Escalante,
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but Bishop left on his own for quote interviews or meetings numerous times during the
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stay in Dallas. After approximately four days, they returned to Miami. Not
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long before his death, in nineteen ninety three, Colonel Bishop confirmed to this
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writer that he'd had knowledge of the JFK plot. The Cubans indicate that the
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Veidao Bishop Dallas trip concerned plans for retaking the island once Castro's people have been
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implicated in the assassination. Escolante surmises that Oswald was an intelligence agent of the
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US CIA, FBI, military, or all these together. We don't know.
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He was manipulated. I told he was penetrating a group the Cuban agents
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that wanted to kill Kennedy. But from the very beginning he was to be
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the element to blame Cuba. Not less than fifteen persons took part in the
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assassination. Ascalante theorizes, at the same time, knowing a little about CIA
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operations, we see how they used a principle of decentralized operations, independent parties
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with a specific role to guarantee compartmentalization and to keep it simple. It's a
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good, good theory, folks, And we read that one more time.
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We see how they used the principle of decentralized operations, independent parties with specific
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roles to guarantee compart mentalization and to keep it simple. Now, we just
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talked about one of Colonel Bishop's friends, right, John Martino. So let's
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check out a little bit about mister John Martino and stick with me. Like
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I said, folks, this is going somewhere. They tune. Okay,
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I promise, I'm going somewhere with all this. I promise, stay with
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me. It's important I lay out this roadmap of folks and associates. Okay,
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very important. So John Martino, this is from No Twiman's book,
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Bloody Treason. John Martino is one more CIA mafia operative who had four knowledge
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of the JFK assassination. An important aspect of Martino's story is that it was
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confirmed by his wife and in part by his son, and also told to
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a Newsday reporter, and Martine had instructed did it not be revealed until after
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his death. In nineteen ninety four, Anthony Summers and his wife Robin interviewed
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Martinez's widow of Florence, age eighty, and her son Edward. Missus.
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Martinez said she was with her husband at their home in Miami on November twenty
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second, nineteen sixty three, and she has a vivid memory of that moment.
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You were supposed to go out to the Americana for lunch, but it
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was on the radio about the visit to Dallas, about President Kennedy, and
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he said, flow they're gonna kill him. They're gonna kill him when he
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gets to Dallas. Somers wrote that Missus Martinez said she had questioned her husband
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briefly and got no response, went out for a little while, and was
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home again by the time her son Edward, heard the news of the assassination
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on television. When I called them in, Edward remembered, my father went
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white as a sheet. But it wasn't like gee wiz. It was more
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like a confirmation. Then John was instantly on the phone, frantically making phone
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calls. Florence remembered he got I don't know how many calls from Texas.
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I don't know who called him, but he was on the phone, on
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the phone, on the phone all day. Newsday reporter John Cummings, who
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knew Martino from previous years, told Summers that in nineteen seventy five, Martinho
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told him he'd been part of the assassination of Kennedy. He wasn't in Dallas
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pulling the trigger, but he was involved. He implied that his role was
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delivering money or fabricating things. He asked me not to write it while he
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was still alive. Martine told Cummings that the anti cast of Cubans were involved,
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and that there had been two guns and two people involved. The last
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time he met reporter Cummings, Martineau made an astonishing claim. It came out
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of the blue. Cummings recalls. John told me he had himself met Oswald
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several weeks before the assassination in Miami. He said an FBI agent named Connors
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asked him to come to a boat docked in Biscayne Bay and introduce him to
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Oswald by name. The impression John got was that Oswald didn't know his ass
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from his elbow, didn't know what he was involved in. He thought the
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agent wanted him to meet Oswald because John was involved in anti communist activity and
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Oswald was someone this agent was running. We have not been able to trace
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him Miami agent with the name of Connors, answering the description provided by Cummings.
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BI files show Martino did not have contacts after the assassination with an agent
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named James J. O'Connor. When we tracked down in retirement, John Martino
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he said, I'm afraid all I could tell you is yes, the name
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rings a bell. I don't recall or that he was a regular contact.
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Though O'Connor said he could not recall whether he was in touch with Martino before
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the assassination. He said he had never met Oswald at any time. Cummings,
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an investigative reporter for more than thirty years, does not think the Martino
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allegation was just a crooked slur against the law enforcement officer. I believe Martino.
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He says it came across just before he died, like a confession.
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I was told at Connors the agent any name was Encounter Intelligence. Laurence Martino
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died one month after Summer's interview in nineteen ninety four. John Martino's story takes
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on even more significance in the fact that he was associated with Santos Trafficante.
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They had been arrested and incarcerated together in Cuba. Moreover, Martine It was
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closely associated with William Pauley, co founder of the Flying Tigers, ex ambassador
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to Peru and Brazil, and right wing multi millionaire. Paully was a ciage
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in contact close to Alan Dulles in nineteen sixty three, Martinez was deeply involved
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with William Paully in a controversial plot to credit JFK Like proving that Soviet missiles
40:27
were still in Cuba. The plot included the use of Paully's boat to Flying
40:30
Tiger to tow a small boat that would be used in a covert op to
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land a group of Cuban exiles in Cuba. It was thought that they would
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be able to bring back witnesses to verify that offensive missiles were still in Cuba,
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thus embarrassing the Kennedy's administration. The plot was financed in part by Henry
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and Claire booth Loose of Life and Time magazine. The operation was a failure.
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None of the Cubans who went ashore in the mission were ever heard from
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again. Pauli's involvement in anti Caster activities began to surface in the late seventies.
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In nineteen seventy seven, Gayton fons he added Pauli's name to the list
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of people to be questioned by the HSCA. Around that time, Paully contracted
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a nervous ailment shingles, and one week after his name was added to the
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list, he committed suicide with a gunshot wound to the chest. Sound familiar.
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This was one more key person dying suddenly when investigators were zeroing in on
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them. The list includes David Ferry, Johnny Rosselli, Sam gen Connor,
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David Sanchez Morales, and George de Moorn. Shield Paully has emerged as potentially
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a very important person in the Kennedy assassination, though his far Eastern experiences with
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the Flying Tigers and military operations, is it reasonable to assume that Paully had
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linkages to General Willoughby? He had financial motives to see John Kennedy eliminated,
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having lost considerable properties in Cuba when Castro took over. Rumors or that we
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have a partnership of the CIA with the mafia to assassinate foreign leaders, the
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CIA's involvement in Alandules's grotesque ultrasecret mind control programs to develop robot assassins, and
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the CIA and organized crimes partnership, and the illegal armsshipment and drug running.
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And we have a picture that is so outlandish and complexes to defy the imagination.
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And we are not even getting started with a long list of other dangerous
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secrets that can be enumerated. These people did not play the prescribed rules.
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They made up their own rules as they went along. They all lived lives
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with the seat and betrayal. And out of this, out of this misson
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seeing the Exalted, emerged the decision to assassinate John F. Kennedy. The
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HSCA became very interested in Martino in nineteen seventy seven, when an analogous informant
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called Fred from Fort Worth telephone. The committee several times that indicated a close
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relationship with Martino, who had recently died. A synopsis of the hsca's investigation
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of Martino in nineteen seventy seven was provided in a memo by investigators Fanzi and
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Gonzalez. Fred said that Martine told him that he worked for the CIA and
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that he was killed by ante chaster Cubans. Martinez said the assassins knew the
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motorcade route before they went to Dallas. Fred said that Martinez's widow would have
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knowledge of such information. Fred also suggested that a former employer of Martino,
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Alan Roth, would provide information. On being interviewed, Missus Martineau denied her
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husband ever had been associated with the CIA. Buck produced names of her husband's
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associates who were involved in CIA ops. He said her husband was arrested by
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Castro in Cuba because he was mistaken for a Navy commander with the same name.
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He produced material which indicated her husband had given lectures claiming that Castro was
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involved in the Kennedy assassination. Former employers Alan Roth and son Kenneth Roth,
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when interviewed, said that Martino told them he had been involved in CIA operations.
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They said they believe Martino was related to mafia boss Angelo Bruno the Philadelphia.
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They provided information I possible in martino involvement in gun dealing. They could
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provide no information of Martino's involvement in or knowledge of the Kennedy assassination. They
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provided information which indicates the possible identity of Fred. So you see the ties
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start to trickle, and we'll scoot through here to next juicy part. So
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let's seeing what was that. Russ says Martine was sent to Guatemala to look
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after their accounts receivable from their real estate interest. There, Martino became very
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friendly with Jorge Muldonado of Castro Cuban Operations, at least in Savar's statements about
45:30
Fiddal. But in the same tape conversations on February eight, nineteen eighty three
45:36
between Bishop and Shaw, Bishop said that he was president at General Edwards Walker's
45:42
house when Walker, Nadal, Roy Hargraves, and two others discussed the assassination
45:47
of JFK. This occurred about one week after the Walker Sniper incident in April
45:54
of sixty three. To my surprise, Gary Shaw's memory about Colonel bishop failure
46:00
to mention General Willoughby had not been correct. Bishop had indeed mentioned Willoughby just
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days before Bishop died on June twenty three, nineteen ninety two. Bishop told
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Shaw they had gone to see Walker a few times, and during their meetings
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General Charles Willoughby was present. When Bishop revealed that information to Gary Shaw.
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He had just had two heart attacks and died within a few days, and
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his funeral services were held on July fifth, nineteen ninety two. Of great
46:30
interest was that Bishop told Shaw that if Adell had been driven in in nineteen
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fifty seven black and white Chevy from Miami to Dallas in nineteen sixty three,
46:39
the same make modeling year as the automobile shown in the photograph taken outside of
46:45
General Walker's home at about the same time he was allegedly shot at by Lee
46:50
Harvey Oswald. Another item of significance was a paragraph and an FBI document in
46:54
Shaw's files which reads redacted further But on the morning of August nineteen, nineteen
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sixty three, he observed another vehicle with three Cubans departing the vicinity of Big
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Pine Key. He described the vehicles in nineteen fifty seven Chevy bearing nineteen sixty
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three Florida license plate. The car appeared to be driven by a medium sized
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Cuban with a prominent black mustache. Daal was described by a Colonel Bishop as
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a ruddy white Cuban, athletic smoker, black hair, excellent rifle and pistol
47:30
skills mustache. On occasion, when the Dallas Police were questioned by the Warrnant
47:37
Commission about the photograph of the fifty seventh Chevy, they said that the whole
47:40
was in it when they found it in Oswald's possessions. Later, however,
47:45
when retired police Chief Jesse Curry wrote his book JFK Assassination File, he included
47:50
a photograph showing Walker's house and the fifty seventh Chevy with the automobile's license plate
47:54
still intact. Marina Oswald had earlier testified to the Warrant Mission that she saw
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the photograph. There was no hole obscuring the license plate. So somebody who
48:08
knew, somebody at the Dallas Police Department had this photograph. There was a
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legendly Oswald's possession of that car, that Chevy in Walker's driveway had the license
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plate put out of it. Why. Colonel Bishop told Shaw that Rolando Master
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was given five hundred thousand dollars by Jimmy Hoffa exactly seventeen days before JFK was
48:42
killed. Bishop said the information came to him from Cuban General Francisco Nevernia,
48:49
Cuba's former commander in the Cuban Air Force, and Cuba's General Patton. According
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to Bishop said the transaction took place at a Miami hotel, man demand,
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and the money was in a brief case. He also said that Vidal was
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very close to Rolando mashfr Bishop said that Masfer had become deeply involved with the
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mafia and had told him in October sixty three that he would kill Kennedy if
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he got the chance. He said that Masfer was in Trent in New Jersey
49:15
at the time of the assassination. Bishop said this information came from Antonio Vesciana
49:22
of Alpha sixty six. Bishop also said that Vidal was a member of Alpha
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sixty six. Another of item of interest that ties in with the gun running
49:30
in Dallas is that Bishop told Shaw that he had just read the truth of
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the story of Nancy perrin Rich in Fensterwald's book, and that he Bishop had
49:39
attended the meeting in which Nancy perrin Rich claimed she had met with a Colonel
49:44
Jack Ruby and others because in gun running activities. Bishop said he was at
49:49
the meeting but did not know Jack Ruby had never connected him to the incident.
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Bishop also said that he didn't remember that the son of Jenna It's the
49:58
son of Jenne Easy was present. But most important, Bishop said that Vidal
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Philipe Fidellas Santiago was present at the meeting. The Nancy parent Rich story in
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the gun running in Dallas were discussed in the previous chapter. So yeah,
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read more if you want to bloody treason, folks, that's good stuff.
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Just keeping around for some of the some of the more juicy parts here.
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Apparently, the Colonel Bishop told Gary Shaw researcher Gary Shaw Kinds of Shit.
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In Shaw's notes were two envelopes filled with copies of Colonel Bishop's card files from
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the early sixties. I went through the cards and there were addresses and phone
50:52
numbers of an amazing array of characters and political figures. They included the Laudio
50:57
Davalier, Orlando mass for Roy Hargrey, names of members of Rolando's Master's Tiger
51:04
Group, Mario Garcia Coley Seniors, address department, number of phone numbers,
51:08
places where he could be reached, and the home address and home phone number
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of CI directed John McCone. Also included was the address of Kent Crane by
51:16
Presidential Assistant at the White House, the home phone number of Admiral Taswell Sheppard,
51:22
and then the home address and phone number of Julian sour Wine. Let's
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see us. Dick Russell. Back to his book The Man Who Knew Too
51:47
Much, Colonel Bishop claimed to have met Niguel when he was an associate of
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Rolando Master. For Russell recalled in his book the Niguel had told him that
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one of his original assigned t argats was to kill Orlando Master. For Niguel
52:02
had made another reference to Master, for in a letter to Russell not long
52:07
after Master was blown to bits my dynamite bomb planted in his car, Niguel
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had noted pleased to read that the Tiger finally got his Colonel Bishop told Russell
52:20
that he finally realized that Nagel was with intelligence under CIA contract, and it
52:25
was safe to assume that Niguel was involved in Alpha sixty six as well.
52:30
Bishop said it was when he was in New Orleans that Niguel's presence came up.
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Niguel had been there several times. It was trying to get into the
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inner workings of the anti Castro movement. He said. Niguel was asking too
52:43
many questions about things he had no business knowing. Bishop said, at his
52:47
end, he was trying to determine who the hell Niguel was. He said
52:52
he called William Colby at the CIA, with whom he had participated in paratrooper
52:55
training at Fort Benning in nineteen forty. He asked Colby, who the hell
53:00
is this guy. Colby replied, I don't know. The man used discretion.
53:07
Bishop said it was several months after that when he heard about the Niguel
53:10
shooting at the Bank Bishop said he didn't know that there was a Cuban after
53:16
Niguel, and that Antonio Vestiana had told him that. He said there were
53:22
rumors that Niguel had stumbled onto the fact that there was an assassination being seriously
53:25
planned. So, in Bishop's opinion, the reason for the bank shoot up
53:30
in El Paso was for Niguel to get himself picked up and protected. This
53:36
was also confirmed to me previously by Niguel's estate executor, who said Niguel had
53:42
said that was the reason. Next up the interesting story of Richard Marginson.
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Date of birth nineteen twenty seven June sixteenth, in Rochester, New York.
53:55
Marginson, while living in Los Angeles, California, in nineteen sixty two,
53:59
met one Lawrence Howard Junior, six feet tall, three hundred pounds of Mexican
54:06
descent. Howard was engaged in collecting funds to support anti Castro forces. Howard
54:12
went to the Florida Keys in sixty two for six months but a purpose of
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training troops to invade Cuba, and thereafter in late sixty two, returned to
54:22
La accompanied by Rudy Hernandez, Mexican in his twenties five two heavy build and
54:32
an unsubbed aka Slim, no other name known, white male five six,
54:39
also in his twenties. Slim and Rudy resided at at Olive Hotel Olive Street,
54:45
Los Angeles, Howard specific address unknown, but lived in east or northeast
54:50
Dela. All were employed by Jack Casey, not further described painting and refurbishing
54:58
the old Union Temple building located behind the LA Greyhound bus station. This building
55:02
reportedly housed the Marquade Printing Shop in the basement, which at that time was
55:09
engaged in printing the original draft of Richard Nixon's book after he lost the presidential
55:15
election. Through these individuals, Marginson met a man called Texts who arrived from
55:20
New Orleans in late sixty two or early sixty three. Text reportedly was a
55:24
hitman and described as a white male, late twenties, about five to seven,
55:30
slender build one thirty five, former military in a rotten disposition. Marginson
55:37
said Text visited his house on Trade Street and furnished his name as Harvey Lee.
55:45
Text left Los Angeles destination unknown after about two weeks. Following the Kennedy
55:52
assassination and pictures of Lee Harvey Oswald, Marginson realized the texts and Oswald appeared
56:00
to be identical individuals. Marginson said. Howard was later suppointed by District Attorney
56:07
Jim Garrison in New Orleans. Mrginson decided to come forth after viewing a recent
56:15
TV documentary on the Warrant Commission investigations, wherein it was depicted Oswald was in
56:21
Russia, while in fact Oswald was in California. This caused Murgison to believe
56:25
that a conspiracy could possibly have existed and that Oswald may not have acted alone.
56:35
So yeah, next we jumped to Gerald Patrick Hemming. He states,
56:42
there were several clusters of people and two large long tables in this room,
56:46
and at one end of the room, Davis were approached by one man four
56:50
others or within hearing distance. Demand made a proposal to Hemming to assassinate JFK.
56:58
Nelson Bunker Hunt in the room, but at the other end of the
57:00
room, but at the other end from the man who made the proposal.
57:06
Hemming declined, saying you shouldn't be talking to me directly about this. Hemming
57:10
would not identify the man who made the offer. On November the eighteenth,
57:15
nineteen sixty three, dal left Dallas from Miami left four Dallas. From Miami,
57:22
he was driven there. He returned by plane on the evening of November
57:25
twenty second, getting into Miami at nighttime. Hemming told Gayton, Fonzie,
57:30
and me at the meeting in Fort Lauderdale that the man who took Vadow to
57:35
Dallas on November the eighteenth, nineteen sixty three was Vadal's case officer. This
57:45
implies that Colonel William Bishop Bishop might have been Vadal's case officer and the one
57:53
who drove Vado to Dallas. Dal did not have a driver's license. That's
58:00
explaining why he did not drive good drive. However, according to Hemming,
58:04
this fits in with Escalante's statement that Vidal holdy Cubans. He was driven by
58:08
Colonel Bishop from Miami to Dallas in November sixty three, where he met with
58:13
wealthy Texans. All the above items are consistent with the statements of Colonel William
58:19
Bishop and the documents that Hemming gave to me. Recall that Colonel Bishop spoke
58:23
of meetings in Dallas with Vidal, General Walker, and others in which assassination
58:29
of JFK was discussed. Other meetings included Charles Willoughby, then an employee of
58:34
Hli Hunt. It is tied together. Let's see the importance of this chain
58:45
of evidence cannot be over emphasized. For the first time, we have direct
58:49
evidence that strongly tends to implicate the Dallas right winging and the JFK assassination.
58:53
It also implicates Guy Banister in New Orleans. It's tied together by independent statements
58:59
of General Fabian Escalante, Colonel William Bishop, FBI and CIA documents, and
59:04
the statements of Hemming. Recall once more that Hemming had told Dick Russell in
59:08
nineteen ninety two about Badal going to Dallas in the week before the assassination and
59:14
meeting with wealth of Texans Texans, having made his statements before Escalante's, before
59:24
Escalante's Cuban intelligence conference in nineteen ninety five. And now the moment you've all
59:37
been waiting for, this long and winding road which I have paved with bricks
59:49
of information leading us to this ultimate destination. And trust me, there is
59:57
a narrative here of interconnect to characters and doing research. Sometimes you find funny
1:00:07
things along the way, things that make you go m interesting. Interesting.
1:00:16
Now, this rifle that we talked about, this Johnson thirty six U sport
1:00:22
arized it was found had to be found somewhere in or around the school Book
1:00:29
Depository on November twenty second, thus lead to be investigated by the FBI on
1:00:34
no Remember the twenty third, and suddenly disappeared into thin air after that.
1:00:43
UM was allegedly I believe, allegedly I said it was found possibly possibly on
1:00:53
the second floor of the school Book Depository. UM. Possibly there was also
1:01:07
a thirty odd six shell found on the roof of the Dallas County Records Building
1:01:13
some many many years after the assassination when they were doing some refurbishment on the
1:01:19
roof, so it possibly could have found been found there. It also could
1:01:31
have possibly been found on the roof for the school book Depository. And you
1:01:37
might say, well, roby they didn't find a rifle on the roof of
1:01:40
the school book Depository, did they? Well? Actually, according to Tom
1:01:49
Bethel, who was an investigator for Jim Garrison for a time, rot rifle
1:02:00
found on roof with school book Depository see volume fifteen, page five, ninety
1:02:06
testimony of Thayer Waldo. According to Sprague, a sequence showing this rifle being
1:02:13
brought down from the roof of the school book depository is shown and the Dallas
1:02:17
Cinema Associates film of the assassination. So there's that either way, wherever this
1:02:30
rifle was found, I believe it is a highly important piece of information.
1:02:36
And now that you see the inner connections between all of these characters and all
1:02:42
of these locations, be it from LA to Dallas, to New Orleans to
1:02:46
Florida, whether it be the CIA, the FBI, the anti Castro Cubans,
1:02:55
the extreme right wing, the mafia, all weaved and tied in together
1:03:05
through certain individuals and circumstances. Just to reiterate what I've always said before,
1:03:14
whoever was pulling that trigger when November the twenty, nineteen sixty three was motivated
1:03:24
motivated by one or two things, or possibly both. Number one is money.
1:03:36
You pay somebody enough money, they'll kill whoever you want them to.
1:03:40
The second thing is ideology. If somebody feels so strongly about cause or a
1:03:52
certain thing, and if they believe that that that person in their sight poses
1:04:00
a direct threat to their deeply held beliefs, they wouldn't hesitate to pull that
1:04:06
trigger, and you wouldn't even need to pay them to do it. But
1:04:16
sometimes it's a combination of both. You know, it doesn't hurt. Hey,
1:04:21
yeah, Kennedy, you have no problem pulling a trigger. Well,
1:04:24
here's an extra fifty grand for you. You know. That's that's what we
1:04:30
call icing on the cake, folks. So again, I let you down
1:04:35
this long and winding road, this tangled web of people, places, and
1:04:43
events and circumstances, to arrive here at this point where on Wednesday, I'm
1:05:00
sorry, Thursday, November twenty one, nineteen sixty three, the man by
1:05:10
the name of Warren Castor carried two rifles into the school Book Depository. Now,
1:05:24
mister Castor was an employee of the Southwestern Publishing Company and had been since
1:05:30
nineteen fifty two, not necessarily in this Dallas office, though, there was
1:05:42
a period of time before he started with Southwestern Publishing Company that he spent in
1:05:47
the US Navy Nave Intelligence. Joseph Ball asked them, your office is on
1:06:04
which floor? Castor says, second floor. Ball says, did you ever
1:06:13
bring any guns into the school Book Depository building? Castor says, yeah,
1:06:16
I did. Who's guns were they? Castor says they were my guns?
1:06:28
What kind of guns were they? Castor says, well, one gun was
1:06:33
a Remanton single shot twenty two rifle and the other was a thirty out six
1:06:44
sport aized mouser. Do you understand what I'm getting? Asked? Folks?
1:06:59
What if? And this is a big ass what if? And I know
1:07:03
that what if? This rifle was actually a Johnson thirty OT six sportarized.
1:07:17
I'm not sure how well Castor new rifles and weapons. So where did he
1:07:24
get these guns from? Well, I'll tell you he had just bought them
1:07:40
at Sanger Harris Sporting his department allegedly. Yes, I picked up both rifles
1:07:57
and cartons and just like they were. This was during the new hour and
1:08:00
I entered the Texas school Book Depository building. On my way up to the
1:08:02
buying office, I stopped by mister Trully's office, and while I was there,
1:08:08
we examined the two rifles that I had purchased. Did you take him
1:08:12
out of the cartons? Yes? I did. Who was there besides you
1:08:16
and Roy? Truly? Well, I'm not really sure who was there.
1:08:23
I think you were there, Bill, and mister Shelley was there and mister
1:08:28
Roy truly. Now, I don't know who Castor is addressing here. When
1:08:34
he says, I think you were there. I'm sure it wasn't Joseph Ball,
1:08:39
the man who's questioned him. So there must be somebody else in this
1:08:42
room. I don't know who it is. The only people that I know
1:08:48
about in any event, were there were workers at the time. I'm not
1:08:53
quite sure how many. I couldn't even tell you their names. I don't
1:08:57
know the Texas school Book Depository where house workers there in the shipping department.
1:09:04
Now, when Oswald was arrested and interrogated, he did mention that this guy
1:09:13
had brought rifles into the school book depository. And we're showing him to mister
1:09:18
Trulli. Do they go on danter back and forth. The weird thing is,
1:09:29
though, this guy decided not to come to work on November twenty second,
1:09:34
nineteen sixty three. Now, remember I told you his name is Warren
1:09:42
Castor. Okay, everybody knows the Sylvia Odio story right where we allegedly have
1:09:57
at one point, it was at dinner five that it was Lauren, Paul,
1:10:01
Lawrence Howard and Seymour who went to visit Silvia Odio and make these wild
1:10:14
claims. Later, you know, Howard denied going to Silvia Odios, but
1:10:25
Lauren Hall admitted to it, and this led to a falling out between them
1:10:30
two. But the interesting thing about the Odio incident is we have these names,
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these anti Castro mercenaries, names attached with this. Okay, now I
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know this man, Warren Castor is named Warren Castor, obviously, But in
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the course of my checking things out, and in the course of investigating another
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line, which I'm hoping it's going to be something big and it's going to
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be out somewhere around the anniversary the assassination. But in the course of investigating
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that line of research, I came across something. It has to do with
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Sylvia Odio and another colonel. Now this colonel's name is Colonel Castor. This
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information is coming in to the FBI. On November thirtieth, nineteen sixty three,
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a missus C. L. Connell of Lakeshore Drive advised that she has
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ascertained the identified the identity sorry of an individual previously known to her only as
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Colonel Castor to be one Colonel Robert L. Castor of Fieldwood Street, Dallas,
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Texas. She stated she has also determined the identity of an individual who
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previously referred to her only as mister Martin to be Johnny Martin of Carnegie Drive,
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Dallas, Texas. It may be noted that missus connell is a volunteer
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worker on the Catholic Cuban Relief Committee at Dallas, Texas and has furnished limited
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information on the above individuals. Now you might think, okay, well,
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what what what does that mean? Well, this report is so brief that
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you know it requires some suspicion. It's deceptive and makes one wonder about later
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FBI and Secret Services reports. According to this author, she knew Missus castor
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Well and Colonel Bob slightly. They suspect her. Bob thinks she may be
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Cia. She appears to have remarried and not now to be living in Dallas.
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She could not possibly Now they're talking about missus O'Connell, the woman who
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did this report to the FBI. Um she could not possibly have failed to
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tell the f b I of the Caster connection with a Cuban Catholic relief and
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father McMahon McCann. And if she failed to mention Odio, that is simply
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fantastic and requires additional suspicion of her. There's ever so much she could have
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reported and assuredly should have, of which I know. The other reporting of
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this pair of agencies I recall seems to leave must to be desired. Johnny
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Martin is an unusually common name in this story. This one was a gun
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merchant who owned a gun store, who also owned a laundrymatt He also knew
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Sylvia Odio. He also dated her sister. Have you any idea where the
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limited information she had earlier furnished might be earlier than eleven thirty means the FBI
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had to have known of Sylvia and her story earlier than the first report on
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it I have, and would seem to indicate they were reluctant to see her
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and gets the story from her. Missus Connell is not Catholic. She had
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a rather close relationship with Odeo, if you know what I'm saying. Wink
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wink. Donny Martin, whose real name is Juan Juan Martin of Dallas,
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Texas advice. He has acquainted with Sylvia Odio, who approached him to help
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her with the organization known as Junta Revolutionaria otherwise known as Jure ju r E.
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However, he did not help her and he had never heard I never
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heard of Lee Harvey Oswald prior to November twenty, nineteen sixty three, and
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has never I never met a Lee Harvey Oswald either. This report was taken
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on December nineteenth, nineteen sixty three by James HOSTI Yeah, that guy.
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So the FBI connects this with the odio story in every way, but fails
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to have even a glimmer of the readily available facts, including it could never
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it could never have overlooked this guy was a gun merchant, as they must
1:16:30
have known. There are other John Martins who had to be of interest,
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and they do not even mention them to say this is not one example.
1:16:41
Marina's shepherd, Ruby's lawyer, Castro's prisoner writer in Dallas speaker in Incidentally,
1:16:50
he was at this time in Dallas, having spoken there October first. His
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origin has not indicated his business, his phone to kind of help Sylvia Sault
1:17:01
guns, whether she had ever sent him customers, people looking for him,
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etc. That is not even a barely adequate, clever report. It is
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like these in New Orleans by Wall, woefully inadequate for even the pretense of
1:17:23
the investigation. It indicates to me by this time the FBI was consciously covering
1:17:30
in this story, which may explain the delay in ODIO. However, with
1:17:38
the report of the day before of the ODIO interview not mentioning Martin, these
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seem to have been no reason. There seemed to be no reason for knowing
1:17:49
about Martin or asking him what is hidden from the ODIO report. Hosti,
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the loan agent on this one, had no interest in dates, Yet the
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indefiniteness of the ODIO story required interest in dates. We do not know whether
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there is earlier dates on Martin and on a gun merchant, or we to
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presume there wasn't. How host he spoke to him, whether he had known
1:18:13
him earlier, or whether anyone in the FBI did, which is more than
1:18:16
likely and short the two demands further interest in both the content of the story
1:18:23
and the FBI is handling of it so interesting Now one can make a bunch
1:18:39
of supposition of things. What if let's play the what if game, folks,
1:18:49
I love to play that game. What if is thirty six sportarized rifle
1:18:58
that this caster fell brought into the school book depository? What if he never
1:19:06
took it home? What if it wasn't a mouser? What if it was
1:19:12
a Johnson. What if it was the Johnson that was pawned by heming In
1:19:19
Hall in Los Angeles to the Halfcock Detective Agency. What if this Colonel Caster
1:19:30
Fellow who's mentioned by FBI reports and associated with the odios and John N.
1:19:40
Martin or Juan Martin again, these these names keep popping up, Jack Martin,
1:19:51
John Martin, Johnny Martin, John Herbert Martin, Jim Martin, James
1:19:58
Herbert Martin, James Martin, Thorne, John Martin, Martin Martin Martin,
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Martin Martin, John Martin Jr. John T. Martin. They're not could
1:20:09
go on and on and on, and I will um at a later date.
1:20:15
But you know, what if, okay, what if we know Hal
1:20:26
picked this rifle up out of Hawk from the half kind of detective Agency,
1:20:29
and we know he came back through Dallas. Now what if this rifle was
1:20:46
meant or put there to set haul up or what if it was used in
1:20:50
the assassination. Either way, you got a pretty badass sniper rifle with an
1:20:59
anti cast mercenaries fingerprints all over it. Not to mention the detective in Los
1:21:04
Angeles, probably right wing as well. But this rifle had to be found
1:21:13
somewhere in or around that building. And it's pretty funny that another thirty odd
1:21:18
six orderized rifle was taken into it a couple of days prior to the assassination.
1:21:27
Pretty interesting that this rifle was allegedly found on the second floor, and
1:21:32
pretty interesting that this Warren Castor fellow's office was also on the second floor and
1:21:39
he admitted to taking the rifle up to his office after showing it to his
1:21:43
co workers that day. The question is he says in his Warren Commission testimony
1:21:49
that he took it home and that the rifles were in his And I also
1:21:56
no remember the twenty second but I can find no police report, no FBI
1:22:01
investigative report that actually checked up on this or did any kind of investigation into
1:22:09
into Castor. Now, it's interesting this guy's names Castor, any relations to
1:22:15
this other Castro Castor fellow who was visiting Odio and as Johnny Martin, as
1:22:21
other gun dealer, any any anything going on with this Colonel Castor to Colonel
1:22:33
Bishop and Colonel Willoughby being tied into all these extreme right wingers like hunt In,
1:22:43
all these generals and colonels in these anti Castro communists interesting to think of,
1:22:59
folks. I'm not saying it's the rifle. I'm just saying we have
1:23:04
to somehow counts for this rifle. And if things went down and this kind
1:23:15
of a thing, it's pretty crazy. But anyway, that's it for me.
1:23:25
That's it for this show. I hope you enjoyed the long one winding
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room. I hope the payoff with one. Thank you for listening, Thanks
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