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Smartglasses & Privacy | ‘Medical News’ with Dr. Jim Keany · The Bill Handel Show

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Speaker 2: planet is his, all right. Now, what's going on with
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Speaker 2: Meta Well, MENA has smart glasses and some privacy people
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Speaker 2: are up in arms, and it's pushing to popularize it's
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Speaker 2: AI enabled camera equipped smart glasses. Why. Because they want
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Speaker 2: to control. They want to be part of the control
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Speaker 2: of the next phase of the Internet. More than seventy
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Speaker 2: organizations assigned a letter saying halt plans. For example, for
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Speaker 2: name tag, which is one of the features. Name tag
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Speaker 2: is designed to remember people's faces and I'm surprised that
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Speaker 2: I don't have that. I don't have those glasses yet
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Speaker 2: because I never remember what a face looks like. Had
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Speaker 2: a friend of mine, as you know, I was in
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Speaker 2: reproductive law for a very long time, so I knew
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Speaker 2: a lot of infertility doctors and there was one leading gynecologist,
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Speaker 2: one of the real experts in the field, and he
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Speaker 2: would always tell me I never remember a face, And
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Speaker 2: that's probably true. In any case, Meta is really gearing up.
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Speaker 2: And the problem with this particular, this particular camera equipped
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Speaker 2: smart glass is that it remembers everybody that you've seen.
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Speaker 2: It'll tell you their names, it'll tell you where you
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Speaker 2: met them, it'll tell you under what circumstances, and it
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Speaker 2: is it's a lightning rod for the privacy folks. Meta
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Speaker 2: employees were actually asked to take them off when Meta
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Speaker 2: was testifying in front of Congress. When Zuckerberg was testifying
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Speaker 2: front of Congress, people have complained about being filmed without
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Speaker 2: their knowledge, account surfacing of users disabling the white light.
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Speaker 2: There's a little white light that signals that glasses are recording,
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Speaker 2: and without that white light, you have no idea if
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Speaker 2: glasses are recording effectively, what it does is someone comes
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Speaker 2: up to you with a pair are glasses on and
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Speaker 2: everything you say is being recorded, your name effectively, it
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Speaker 2: is smart technology that will put you in there, saying
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Speaker 2: that I won't put you in the database, but it well,
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Speaker 2: do you want to go there? Do you really want
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Speaker 2: to be every place you turn to? And the reason
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Speaker 2: that met is so excited about this is you have
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Speaker 2: two billion people in the world wear eyeglasses. For example,
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Speaker 2: let's look at our show here, Neil glasses, Cono glasses,
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Speaker 2: Will glasses, Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Meta glasses as well. Do you Yeah, I have them
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Speaker 3: right here in front of me.
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Speaker 2: And what do you use them for?
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Speaker 3: I actually use them for when I'm building things in
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Speaker 3: the shop. I can video what I'm using, what I'm
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Speaker 3: building and keep track of certain things. I don't use
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Speaker 3: them in public typically as far as I don't wear
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Speaker 3: them in public typically, but they can be very very helpful,
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Speaker 3: and like you've said, there is no privacy. And ultimately,
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Speaker 3: whether someone's putting their phone in my face publicly or
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Speaker 3: the glasses, I'm not sure what the difference. And the
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Speaker 3: other thing is is that you're everyone's recording everything. They
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Speaker 3: have a new thing called pocket which goes on your
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Speaker 3: phone and records conversations both on the phone and live
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Speaker 3: and you never see it.
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Speaker 2: The point I'm going to make at the end of it,
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Speaker 2: and to your point is, and I do this in
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Speaker 2: my commercials for Incogniti, is there's no such thing as privacy.
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Speaker 2: You go outside, you're in public, and people, oh, my
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Speaker 2: privacy has been invaded. I went outside and they recorded me.
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Speaker 2: They recorded me on my front porch, they recorded me
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Speaker 2: walking down the street. You have no privacy. You have
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Speaker 2: no privacy. So here's how you deal with it. Okay,
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Speaker 2: because this is going to happen. I mean the privacy
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Speaker 2: advocates are going to go crazy. Here is still going
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Speaker 2: to happen. How do you deal with your privacy? You
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Speaker 2: make two assumptions. Now you add an assumption. One assumption
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Speaker 2: is that you have to have is everything you do
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Speaker 2: outside your front door is public and can be recorded
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Speaker 2: and can be put on a camera on a cell phone,
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Speaker 2: and it's there for posterity. That's one add to that. Now,
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Speaker 2: everybody who has glasses on whenever you talk to someone,
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Speaker 2: assume that that is being recorded and your information, what
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Speaker 2: you're wearing, even what time of day you ran into them.
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Speaker 2: Certainly what you're saying, and those every time someone has glasses.
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Speaker 2: Oh wait a minute, how about if someone has a
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Speaker 2: button on their shirt, Well, there's technology there. How about
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Speaker 2: if someone is putting a pen in their pocket and
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Speaker 2: their shirt pocket, well, technology is there to record. I mean,
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Speaker 2: this is science fiction stuff. You think this is about
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Speaker 2: a James Bond. It's not. It's all there. I mean,
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Speaker 2: button cameras have been around for years, so for a
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Speaker 2: long time. So here's the assumption you make. Every time
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Speaker 2: you talk to someone, Assume it's being recorded. Every time
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Speaker 2: you're meeting someone, assume it's going to be recorded. Every
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Speaker 2: time you walk out the front door, assume it's being recorded.
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Speaker 3: It's going to be based on the individuals because I
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Speaker 3: don't like it. I would love to have privacy. I
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Speaker 3: think it would be great. But yeah, it doesn't exist
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Speaker 3: how people utilize it, Neil, it does not exist at all. Okay, Now,
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Speaker 3: a couple of things going on in China, one universal
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Speaker 3: and one not so universal. First of all, what China
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Speaker 3: is doing is banning virtual relationships or trying to ban them.
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Speaker 3: That is, you fall in love with a chat bot,
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Speaker 3: hold a man? Is that true?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? People do. That's a whole sociological issue where people
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Speaker 2: are connecting with computers and instead of Japanese blow up
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Speaker 2: dolls for example, which used to be the case, now
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Speaker 2: it's computers. They say we love you, I love you,
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Speaker 2: and you have real relationships. And what does that mean?
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Speaker 2: That means that people don't have relationships because the more
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Speaker 2: they deal with the computer, the less they are going
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Speaker 2: to deal with people. Now, let's move over to China.
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Speaker 2: When people deal less with people, when their relationships, their
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Speaker 2: romantic relationships are with computers and not with people. Guess
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Speaker 2: what people don't do. They don't stoop because as of
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Speaker 2: right now it's pretty hard to stoop with your laptop
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Speaker 2: or your keyboard not so easy. And when people stoop,
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Speaker 2: they have kids. Aha, So let me go on and
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Speaker 2: progress logically here. China used to have a one child
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Speaker 2: policy and would encourage people to abort and would actually
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Speaker 2: pay people, would pay couples to only have one child.
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Speaker 2: With that backfired on them. They had too many people,
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Speaker 2: and now they don't have enough young people in Japan.
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Speaker 2: It's really a problem, and it's happening all over the
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Speaker 2: industrialized world. There aren't enough young people being born. There
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Speaker 2: are enough babies and Why is that important, Well, because
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Speaker 2: old people get old. We all become elderly, which means
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Speaker 2: we're no longer working and we have to be taken
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Speaker 2: care of. Society somehow has to figure out a way
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Speaker 2: for when I hit sixty five or seventy or seventy five,
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Speaker 2: I've got to eat. And then you have societies where
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Speaker 2: most people don't do a real good job of saving
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Speaker 2: up for their long term care. Matter of fact, the
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Speaker 2: United States is a horrible job. All over the world
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Speaker 2: is terrible. So how do you fix that. You put
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Speaker 2: more workers into the workforce, which means money is coming
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Speaker 2: in and those don't age out. It is critical to
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Speaker 2: have babies being born for the long term effect the
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Speaker 2: long term financial health of any country. And in China
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Speaker 2: the birth rate is low because of the policy it
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Speaker 2: used to have that they're spinning right now and figuring
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Speaker 2: out how is this going to work long term? Also,
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Speaker 2: China plays the long game. Anyway, We're not very good
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Speaker 2: at playing the long game, but we're still looking at
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Speaker 2: what's going on here. For us, it's a matter of
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Speaker 2: individual constitutional rights. Having kids. Over there, it's a question
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Speaker 2: of let's see what we can do to have more
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Speaker 2: children because they don't have individual rights there, so it's
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Speaker 2: unintended consequences is what ended up happening with the policy
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Speaker 2: of one child per family. Also the abortion rate. Guess
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Speaker 2: what they used to abort. They used to abort earls,
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Speaker 2: not boys, because in China, boys are everything. So what
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Speaker 2: do you have now, Well, you have too many males,
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Speaker 2: and so you have x number of bails going after
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Speaker 2: a smaller number of female people, and therefore that skews
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Speaker 2: everything up. I mean, China really screwed itself by not
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Speaker 2: allowing people to screw themselves. It's very deep, very very
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Speaker 2: deep when you think about that, very metaphysical. This show
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Speaker 2: does tremendous analysis, doesn't it. In the meantime the and then,
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Speaker 2: of course the sociological issue which we've talked about and
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Speaker 2: we will keep on tak talking about, and that is
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Speaker 2: romantic relationships with chatbot and chat bots to exactly what
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Speaker 2: the the eight eight eight or seven seven seven phone calls?
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Speaker 2: Remember those the people used to pay five dollars a
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Speaker 2: minute or eight dollars a minute. Hey baby, you're looking
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Speaker 2: pretty good. Hey what are you wearing? Wow, you sound
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Speaker 2: so sexy? Stop it? Eight dollars a minute eight I
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Speaker 2: just I just created eight dollars. Okay, No, you just
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Speaker 2: created a limp on all right. Jim Keeney, who is
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Speaker 2: chief medical officer for Dignity Saint Mary Medical Center in
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Speaker 2: Long Beach, Jim, did uh and tell you about the
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Speaker 2: diarrhea story I want to cover? Or I know you
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Speaker 2: didn't really dive into it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, of course, of course I knew you want
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Speaker 1: to talk about.
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Speaker 2: That, of course. And that's the picture. That's the parasite
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Speaker 2: which causes basically uncontrolled diarrhea and U So, I mean
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Speaker 2: that's no fun or it is if someone else has it,
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Speaker 2: particularly the sound effects. But this can be pretty dangerous stuff.
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Speaker 2: And that's growing like wildfire, this parasite, and so let's
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Speaker 2: talk about it because it's now hitting the news, actually
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Speaker 2: at the forefront of the news. So what's going on
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Speaker 2: with this, Jim?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's called cyclospora. It's a single cell parasite
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Speaker 1: that causes diarrhea. There's been about sixteen hundred cases confirmed,
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Speaker 1: so the CDC's investigating, you know, and it does cause profuse,
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Speaker 1: watery diarrhea. It causes you know, that's going to make
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Speaker 1: you tire, It causes fatigue, loss of appetite and some
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Speaker 1: severe abdominal cramping. So you know you're going to notice this.
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Speaker 1: It's not something subtle and without any treatment at all,
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Speaker 1: it'll usually last anywhere from a week to a month.
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Speaker 1: And the treatment is typically like a sulfa drug like
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Speaker 1: bactrum or septra or tritemethaprim. Those kind of sulfa drugs
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Speaker 1: will kill this. So you know, that's essentially what it is.
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Speaker 1: I mean. And the other thing is chlorine and a
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Speaker 1: lot of commercial available like cleansing products don't reliably kill it,
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Speaker 1: you know, so you really have to scrub things down
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Speaker 1: to get rid of this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah the past, go ahead, But in the past has.
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Speaker 1: Been linked to things like you know, salad, cilantro, raspberries,
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Speaker 1: you know, things like that leafy produce. So that's typically
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Speaker 1: where we see it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the reason I bring this up is this
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Speaker 2: can really be dangerous stuff. If we look at the
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Speaker 2: death rate, for example, in Africa among kids. From what
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Speaker 2: I understand, the number one reason those kids are dying
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Speaker 2: is because of diarrhea, because they lose so much fluid
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Speaker 2: that you know, they basically die. Do I have that right? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I mean, diarrhea is a number one killer worldwide because
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Speaker 1: they don't have the medical care that we have. But absolutely,
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Speaker 1: you know, and when you travel, I'd say when people
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Speaker 1: who travel, about a one third of travelers will get
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Speaker 1: diarrhea while they're traveling out of the United States. And
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Speaker 1: if you look at India, a place like India and
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Speaker 1: some places in Africa, it's more like fifty percent.
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Speaker 2: Isn't that lovely? I can't wait. I'm going to Afro
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Speaker 2: and I know you are. I know, and I think
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Speaker 2: you brought that up just just for that reason. Okay,
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Speaker 2: moving into some good news. A new simplified lung cancer
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Speaker 2: screening that is big news. So tell me about that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I mean people need to be aware that
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Speaker 1: there is such a thing as lung cancer screening, right.
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Speaker 1: And if you are a smoker in the past, what
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Speaker 1: it's been is a forty pack year smoking history. So
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Speaker 1: what that means is if you smoked two packs a
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Speaker 1: day for twenty years, two times twenty is forty pack
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Speaker 1: year history. You would qualify to your insurance would pay
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Speaker 1: for a low dose CT scan, so a low radiation
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Speaker 1: CT scan to look at your lungs and see if
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Speaker 1: there's any tumors. A lot of times those can be false, right,
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Speaker 1: because your lungs are a dead end. If you inhale
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Speaker 1: something into your lungs, it's going to stay there the
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Speaker 1: rest of your life. So a lot of people may
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Speaker 1: have nodules in their lungs that could be mistaken for
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Speaker 1: cancer on a fetis scan. So that's why you don't
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Speaker 1: want to overdo this. But so they took data from
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Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of patients and looked at them, looked
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Speaker 1: at who we could screen and if we could change
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Speaker 1: the screening process, and it turned out that if we
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Speaker 1: just used years of smoking forty years or more of smoking,
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Speaker 1: whether that was a pack a day or two packs
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Speaker 1: a day or whatever, you actually screen a few less
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Speaker 1: people need to be screened, and you catch more cancers.
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Speaker 1: So in the end you're getting less false negatives and
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Speaker 1: it's a more simple way. People don't have to do
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Speaker 1: the math. Right, if you smoke for more than forty years,
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Speaker 1: go get a fet scan and get screened for lung cancer.
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Speaker 1: But that is being combined with a new technology that
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Speaker 1: makes finding these little nodules less scary because in the past,
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Speaker 1: what we do is we go from outside and we
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Speaker 1: stick a needle into your chest using ultrasound or CT
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Speaker 1: guidance and try and get a piece of that nodule
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Speaker 1: to look at under a microscope to see if it's
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Speaker 1: actually cancer. Nowadays, they have a robotic assisted endoscopy where
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Speaker 1: you put that into your lungs, So we're doing an
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Speaker 1: endoscopy looking inside the lungs, and now we can get
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Speaker 1: closer to the actual nodule, and then when we put
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Speaker 1: a needle into it, it doesn't create an air leak
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Speaker 1: that collapses your lungs, So the complications are way way lower,
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Speaker 1: and you're also much less likely as a blood vessel.
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Speaker 1: So it's a much easier way to look and look
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Speaker 1: for and diagnose lung cancer.
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Speaker 2: So why wouldn't I, For example, I'm not a smoker,
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Speaker 2: never have been. Why wouldn't I get some kind of
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Speaker 2: a test for lung cancer because from what I understand,
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Speaker 2: by the time symptoms occur, you're basically dead.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not really accurate, because some people will have
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Speaker 1: a cost say you have a cough for more than
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Speaker 1: thirty days. That's somebody that you'd probably get a CT
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Speaker 1: scan to look for. If they've had any smoking history,
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Speaker 1: you know, you should probably get a CT scan to
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Speaker 1: look and make sure you don't have some nodule in
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Speaker 1: your lung that's making you cough like that, so and
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Speaker 1: that would still be catching it early. The problem is
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Speaker 1: the math is that you know, in the study if
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Speaker 1: they looked at say somebody smoked for twenty years, Well,
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Speaker 1: suddenly the accuracy rate drops from you know, eighty five
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Speaker 1: percent of the time you're you know you're catching a
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Speaker 1: cancer if it's there and you're only missing it fifteen
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Speaker 1: percent of the time. Now you know you're the numbers
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Speaker 1: drop so that not only are you not catching a
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Speaker 1: ton of cancers, but you're also doing a ton of
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Speaker 1: unnecessary biopsies. So from a public health perspective, you don't
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Speaker 1: want to overdo these things, just waste public you know,
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Speaker 1: essentially public money trying to figure this out. Now, a
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Speaker 1: lot of people do say, well I just want to know,
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Speaker 1: so they go out and get a cafcan. Well, on
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Speaker 1: an individual basis, if you want to go do that
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Speaker 1: something to discuss with your doctor, but you know, realize
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Speaker 1: that you may be setting yourself up for a necessary,
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Speaker 1: worry and unnecessary biopsy.
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Speaker 2: Okay, back we go with Jim Keeney, Chief Medical Officer
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Speaker 2: for Dignity Saint Mary Medical Center in Long Beach and
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Speaker 2: er doctor extraordinaire who's been with us for thirty years.
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Speaker 2: Long time, So jim a story about this cancer cluster
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Speaker 2: in California and explain what a cancer cluster is and
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Speaker 2: what is going on.
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Speaker 1: So, yeah, a cancer cluster would be once we can
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Speaker 1: confirm that a group of people living in a close
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Speaker 1: geographic area all have a similar or connected in some
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Speaker 1: way connected disease, like a certain cancer. In this case,
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Speaker 1: it's Ewing's sarcoma happens to be the second most common
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Speaker 1: bone cancer and children, behind osteosarcoma. And here they have
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Speaker 1: six cases in the Ladera area, and it's tough to
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Speaker 1: know what to make it. Obviously, that makes you stand
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Speaker 1: up and pay attention. I mean, that's a lot of cases.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about something that's diagnosed maybe two hundred, two
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Speaker 1: hundred fifty times across the entire United States per year,
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Speaker 1: and here we have six cases in one area. Now
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Speaker 1: those weren't all diagnosed within a year. We're talking about
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Speaker 1: over a thirteen year period. So still though, I mean
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Speaker 1: thirteen times two hundred or twenty six hundred cases across
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Speaker 1: the country are in that area very concerning. I tell you,
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Speaker 1: everybody jumps to environmental factors, right, and they jump to
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Speaker 1: thinking that it's pesticides or something like that. And to date,
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Speaker 1: uing sarcoma is not associated with any environmental factors. We
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Speaker 1: don't know anything about that causes uing sarcoma. Because it's
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Speaker 1: relatively uncommon, there's not a lot to know about it. Thankfully, smokers,
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Speaker 1: it gave us a lot of information. When everybody was smoking,
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Speaker 1: we had a ton of people getting one on cancer,
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Speaker 1: so we know a lot more about that. So it's
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Speaker 1: not to say that there aren't environmental factors. We just
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Speaker 1: haven't identified any. And so what will happen is this
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Speaker 1: Typically county or state governments will look into this and
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Speaker 1: confirm how long do these people live in the area.
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Speaker 1: We call this some statistics. They call it a Texas sharpshooter. Right.
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Speaker 1: You basically you shoot at a target with no bulls eye,
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Speaker 1: and then after the fact, you draw a circle around
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Speaker 1: where all the holes are closest together. So it's not
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Speaker 1: really we're not asking statistically, how likely is it that
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Speaker 1: six people live in one town and then all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden get yu Ink's sarcoma. But how likely are
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Speaker 1: six people with u inks sarcoma to land in the
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Speaker 1: same place?
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Speaker 2: Okay, Jim, Jim, we got to cut you off because
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Speaker 2: we're out of time, so we'll pick this up again.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure next week I have a good one. Ok.
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Speaker 2: Take care you too. All Right, we're done, guys with
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