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Drama in the Fantasy Suites with Jesse Palmer · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with i R Radio. It's Almost Famous podcast. This is
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Speaker 1: something special. We're coming to the end of the season
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Speaker 1: for Gabby and Rachel. Today we have a very special episode. Yes,
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Speaker 1: it's a two part week when it comes to the
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Speaker 1: airing of the show. So we're gonna break down the
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Speaker 1: first half of this episode here in the first twenty minutes.
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Speaker 1: Then the host of the show, Jesse Palmer, is going
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Speaker 1: to join Ashley I Connettie for the kind of middle part.
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Speaker 1: I'd say the climax if you will, And then towards
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Speaker 1: end the show, Ashley will finish the recap. I'm on
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Speaker 1: my way to Nashville, Tennessee for the Love One event.
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Speaker 1: This is an incredible um nonprofit that Jessica's best friend
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Speaker 1: helps run. So I've got to jump on a plane. Uh,
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Speaker 1: the show didn't ask me my schedule. ABC did. ABC
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Speaker 1: did not asking me my schedule when they aired two
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Speaker 1: episodes this week. So that's where we're at. Ashley, let's
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Speaker 1: take it away right from the starts. I want to
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Speaker 1: be here for all of this goodness. You watch the
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Speaker 1: episode last night, you are a resident expert. I watched
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Speaker 1: Stop that stop that you don't like why why am
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Speaker 1: I more? But why am I more of an expert
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Speaker 1: than you? You're the bachelor? Yeah, I don't always understand
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Speaker 1: these scenarios like you do. Okay, So we have the
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Speaker 1: Gabby and Eric situation kind of rolling over um from
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Speaker 1: the episode before. I don't want to see this one end,
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Speaker 1: I will say, Ashley, what do you think you don't
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Speaker 1: want to see the relationship end? Or do you want
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Speaker 1: to see this episode end? Well? I don't want to
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Speaker 1: see this relationship Okay? Well? Same, So she like takes
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Speaker 1: a quick break to really like to like you know,
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Speaker 1: like soak things in, yeah, and then comes back to him,
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Speaker 1: but apparently they still think kind of like leave things
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Speaker 1: unsolved even though they're like hug and kiss, but she
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Speaker 1: still doesn't feel great about him once she leaves. Do
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Speaker 1: you think this is one of those scenarios actually where
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Speaker 1: you're dating somebody, you're so attracted to them, you like,
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Speaker 1: everything's going so well, and then something happens and you
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Speaker 1: feel like some will say it's a red flag. I
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Speaker 1: feel like that's pretty harsh, But you just see something
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Speaker 1: where you're like, I'm no longer as interested as I
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Speaker 1: was before like, do you think she's been I don't
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Speaker 1: hurt is not the right word. Do you think she's
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Speaker 1: been convinced that maybe this is not her? Guy, I
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Speaker 1: don't think you can be convinced with just one moment
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Speaker 1: like this unless there's a series of red flags that
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Speaker 1: we don't know about. Yeah, well so I don't know
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Speaker 1: again like we said dat, yeah, and like we said
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Speaker 1: yesterday's podcast, like I just have complicated feelings about this.
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Speaker 1: While you don't want that got to be giving you
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Speaker 1: tests or ultimatums, which I don't think it's an ultimatum.
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Speaker 1: You also don't want him to be like, yeah, you
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Speaker 1: go have fun and sleep with everyone else, like you
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Speaker 1: kind of want some balance. He's not telling you don't.
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Speaker 1: We've seen this done so many times, way worse. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: this is not a New Sinaire. This is not not
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Speaker 1: Luke no, gosh no, no, not even close. This is
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Speaker 1: this is I think. Um. I just feel like maybe
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Speaker 1: he didn't get his words out perfectly, but I don't
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Speaker 1: know if he needed to. I think he said what
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Speaker 1: he said is mostly I care about you and this
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Speaker 1: is hard for me. Well. Yeah, one thing that's interesting
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Speaker 1: about these last two episodes Actuley's we've seen more of
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Speaker 1: Jesse Palmer than I feel like we've seen in the
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Speaker 1: first two years or first two season of him hosting
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Speaker 1: the show. He steps into talk to Gabby, why are
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Speaker 1: they using Jesse so much? And as I think from
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Speaker 1: a girl's perspective, because Twitter has multiple different opinions on this,
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Speaker 1: do you feel like he consoles correctly or healthily or well?
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Speaker 1: Or does he help or do he hurt? Actually, when
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Speaker 1: you watch Jesse Palmer, I guess is the best question.
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Speaker 1: Do you feel like he's somebody you would like to
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Speaker 1: talk to? Well, yeah, I'm talking to him in fifteen minutes.
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Speaker 1: Why explain why from your perspective he's somebody as a
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Speaker 1: host of this show, You're like, I wouldn't mind if
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Speaker 1: he stepped into my room and how to chat with
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Speaker 1: me when I'm in my in a low place. Well
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Speaker 1: I can, actually, yeah, just speak from experience and say,
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Speaker 1: whenever he's on this podcast, he is very easy to
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Speaker 1: talk to. You could just ramble to him bla la
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Speaker 1: la la la la la joke. He's kind of like lighthearted,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. He brings us certain like levity and
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Speaker 1: understanding to things. I would agree I mean I do.
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Speaker 1: I you know, I think people's opinions are different, right,
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Speaker 1: some people are still in the Hey, Caitlin and Tasia
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Speaker 1: were ones that you'd want to console with. I feel
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Speaker 1: like Jesse is doing a great job. I have nothing
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Speaker 1: but good things to say about him. Uh. People could
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Speaker 1: have their opinions on who they would like more. I
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Speaker 1: think he's doing a great job. I think he's being
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Speaker 1: like being very welcoming and helping relieve some of the
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Speaker 1: pressure in the stress. So I'm yes, I would say
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Speaker 1: that I wouldn't mind talking to Jesse. I wish I
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Speaker 1: could be here to talk to Jesse today. Nice man. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So we move in from the Jesse and Gabby conversation
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Speaker 1: to the Gabby and Jason overnight, which might be the
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Speaker 1: overnight I was most looking forward to because this is
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Speaker 1: the one relationship. And I've said this before, I just
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Speaker 1: don't see I don't feel it. I don't get it.
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Speaker 1: Um And I was more convinced of why I feel
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Speaker 1: that way after watching this overnight. Okay, So they have
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Speaker 1: their a little fun time in the pool where I'm
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Speaker 1: actually vibing them. Yeah, they're like. They continue that vibe
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Speaker 1: into dinner and Jason is like, I'm going to have
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Speaker 1: to tell Gabby exactly like my thoughts right now, which
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Speaker 1: is that basically, I would never get engaged after a show.
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Speaker 1: I think that I know her a little bit, but
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Speaker 1: obviously not like real stuff, because I feel like this
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Speaker 1: is all a show and I would really need to
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Speaker 1: know her off TV too to explore a serious relationship.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, like I'm not very comfortable in front of
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Speaker 1: the cameras. Is this like all Magic Hour? Blah blah blah.
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Speaker 1: I'm saying this was such tone because like, this guy
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Speaker 1: deserves tone at this point. It sucks because I think
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Speaker 1: we've all really liked Jason, but he I know, he
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Speaker 1: gets none of my sympathy in this moment. Well, and
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Speaker 1: we hear Gabby make a lot of comments, uh, you
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Speaker 1: know that they have this great connection, and Jason says
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Speaker 1: that they understand each other at a deep level. Whatever
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Speaker 1: that means. I mean, I'm sure it means whatever they're feeling.
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Speaker 1: But again, why I'm not convinced that I understand this
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Speaker 1: relationship is because of the exact same things that he
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Speaker 1: sing and that Gabby sing is this experience has not
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Speaker 1: been comfortable for Jason. He isn't open up a lot.
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Speaker 1: You know. Well, I'm thinking you haven't been with him
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Speaker 1: without a camera on you. So if you're just going
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Speaker 1: this guy just doesn't open up a lot because he's
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Speaker 1: nervous around cameras, you have no clue what he's like
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Speaker 1: without a camera around, You have no idea if maybe
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Speaker 1: this is how he is all the time, which makes
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Speaker 1: me say, maybe maybe they don't. They don't know each
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Speaker 1: other well enough to get engaged, or they don't know
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Speaker 1: each other well enough to even continue this relationship. Because
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Speaker 1: both of them are kind of speaking of this. I
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Speaker 1: wish they'd do this. I wish he would be this,
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Speaker 1: Well he's not. Yeah. Also, when he said I'm not
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Speaker 1: in love with you, I've never seen somebody not like
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Speaker 1: wear a mask like she had it written all of
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Speaker 1: her face. And she was shocked to hear that, And
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Speaker 1: it was really sad because you could like kind of
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Speaker 1: feel the heart sink if you were in her body. Uh.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's interesting. I couldn't believe that she after that.
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Speaker 1: I did props to her, and I think it was
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Speaker 1: a good decision, but I also thought she would react
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Speaker 1: more emotionally. Um, she takes kind of a step back
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Speaker 1: and then comes back and says like she wants to
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Speaker 1: spend the night together so that they can have that time.
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Speaker 1: That was the right move. I didn't I knew in
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Speaker 1: that moment I wasn't gonna like change things, but I
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Speaker 1: also didn't think it would be as bad as it
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Speaker 1: was the morning after. The morning after, Gabby was like,
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Speaker 1: that's not it. He is not my person. Um. She
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Speaker 1: was just like, I can't believe that he hid all
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Speaker 1: this stuff for me for so long, all these feelings
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Speaker 1: about the show, and like the process do we have
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Speaker 1: and I'm blinking, do we have any idea of why
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Speaker 1: and when he left the room? I mean, we just
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Speaker 1: see the scene where they wake up and he's not there.
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Speaker 1: But do we know when he left exactly? No, because yeah,
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Speaker 1: you're right, like they don't wake up together. Maybe they
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure that they did, but they just
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Speaker 1: didn't show us that scene. They did show the scene
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Speaker 1: of her walking out, which kind of represented more as
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Speaker 1: to how she was feeling than being like I'll love
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Speaker 1: we've been talking about how beautiful Gabby looks in the
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Speaker 1: more she looks stunning. She wakes up glowing, she wakes
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Speaker 1: up looking like the bachelorette, and so we move on
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Speaker 1: to the next bachelor. At Rachel and Zach's overnight date.
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Speaker 1: This again is an interesting day to me for the
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Speaker 1: same reasons at some level of why Jason and Gabby's
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Speaker 1: overnight date was interesting me. The one thing about Zack
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Speaker 1: and I'm still holding on to Ashley, still holding on
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Speaker 1: to one moment the date where they watched the movie. Now,
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Speaker 1: I think that's a beautiful date, and I thought they
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Speaker 1: watched the movie about their childhood. Oh yes, they cried
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Speaker 1: and they laughed and they talked about their their upbrings.
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Speaker 1: And I felt like that was one of the moments
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Speaker 1: because we talked about in the last podcast that I
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Speaker 1: could see a connection being built, a trust being formed,
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Speaker 1: and an enjoyment of something that's not luxurious. You could
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Speaker 1: watch childhood movies at home anytime. This was obviously in
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Speaker 1: a movie theater, so it got expanded and blown up
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Speaker 1: a little it but I still felt like this was
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Speaker 1: a date that made me see that there is something
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Speaker 1: special between the two of them. Yes, but apparently Rachel
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Speaker 1: is not sold. And then I'm confused again because this
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Speaker 1: was the one this was the one couple. Now, I
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Speaker 1: get the Tina thing. I know they are into each other.
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Speaker 1: I get even Yeah, I understand that relationship. I understand
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Speaker 1: Eric like why that stuff is working. But I just
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Speaker 1: felt like Zach and rachel chemistry was one that I
13:29
Speaker 1: at least had felt so at some point this season.
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Speaker 1: And that's why I'm confused, because they also had that
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Speaker 1: that date where they watched the planes go off. I
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Speaker 1: think Zach might be one of those guys that like
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Speaker 1: try so hard or he's so enthusiastic about it, he
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Speaker 1: might give you the ck a little bit over time. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you don't you understand? No, I do. I get it,
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Speaker 1: and especially on this show, you can, I will say,
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Speaker 1: as the lead, you can tell that fairly quickly, Like
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Speaker 1: are you just all he's putting on your best face
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Speaker 1: for me, and like there's no way you're that excited
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Speaker 1: about this experience like this, We're at this point, we're
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Speaker 1: both tired. This is kind of sucked. Like I'm you know,
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Speaker 1: having overnights with multiple people. You can't love that? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you don't have to act like everything's perfect. He's not.
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Speaker 1: You know how yesterday we were talking about how like
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Speaker 1: Tino has like the swab a like haw guy in
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Speaker 1: high school type vibe, a little more edgy than the
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Speaker 1: other two. Yeah, like he is, Zach is anti edgy.
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Speaker 1: He's just like cookie cutter. Mr Boy scouts me. That's what. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I know, but I don't know. You have like this
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Speaker 1: exception to you are the exception to the rule. Okay, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you got an edge, you do, yeah, I'll be crazy. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: oh I know I've seen you with whiskey. Okay, so
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Speaker 1: I just feel like now she's like, okay, you're just
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Speaker 1: too You're just so squee clean, you know. I just
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Speaker 1: feel like that's her vibe towards him. They go to
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Speaker 1: the psychic. What does the psychic say? Nothing? Like nothing
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Speaker 1: to me, as if it's even worth repeating. But they
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Speaker 1: tried to make it a theme and then they all
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Speaker 1: I love the way that with Zach. He goes they're
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Speaker 1: shopping around town, right and he says, this school just
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Speaker 1: stuck with me. He's like, we're doing everything in Mexico
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Speaker 1: that you'd want to do in Mexico. It's like buying
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Speaker 1: tourist things. Okay, so anyway, it's a very dad comment. Yes,
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Speaker 1: this guy is gonna be a great dad. Oh my god,
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Speaker 1: he's such a dad. He's gonna be so sweet. He
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Speaker 1: is a sweet man. But that comment is like, well,
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Speaker 1: I don't know Rachel flies plans for a living. Maybe,
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Speaker 1: like just buying stuff isn't her deal. She obviously has
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Speaker 1: some type of like adventurous side that she like if
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Speaker 1: she goes to Mexico, Like I could see Rachel wanting
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Speaker 1: to like jump off and bungee jump off a bridge. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think that's more her vibe. She that's one thousand
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Speaker 1: percent more her vibe. So I'm like picking up on
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Speaker 1: vibes that they're not like getting. There's like something she's
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Speaker 1: like not into it anymore, Like I'm picking up those
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Speaker 1: girl vibes. Um, But she continues to act like she's
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Speaker 1: into it. She wants him to go to the fantasy suite,
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Speaker 1: and then they go to the fantasy suite. I think
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Speaker 1: I even reward, like did I rewind? Because I was like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: we're just gonna close the doors and make this go
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Speaker 1: real fast. And then the morning, what do you mean
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Speaker 1: to make this go? Real fast. You know, sometimes you
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Speaker 1: feel like like was there more to that? Is there more?
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Speaker 1: Like they say a goodbye? Did they close the door?
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Speaker 1: Because you know, like in Paradise they're like good bye, goodbye.
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Speaker 1: But anyway, they it's all about the morning. Then, I
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Speaker 1: just I know you have to go soon, but we
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Speaker 1: have to talk about this morning what happened. I also
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Speaker 1: maybe this is what I was rewinding me, like did
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Speaker 1: I miss something? Where? Did we all miss something here?
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Speaker 1: Why is the drama happening in the fantasy suites? Didn't
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Speaker 1: you say yesterday? That's not fair to us as an
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Speaker 1: audience that the dramas happening in fantasy suites and we're
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Speaker 1: not getting it on camera. Well yeah, I mean maybe
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Speaker 1: I read that somewhere yesterday too, but well, yeah, I
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Speaker 1: don't remember seeing that exactly. I will say that I'm
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Speaker 1: in the camp of um. You know, fantasy suites are
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Speaker 1: a very private time. They're important for the couples. I
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Speaker 1: do think they're important for the process because you do
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Speaker 1: get to have conversations and just kind of let loose
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Speaker 1: a bit. I don't know if we need to be
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Speaker 1: privy to everything, but like if somebody's leaving the next day,
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Speaker 1: or there's an argument then like, yeah, I feel like
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Speaker 1: I need to know. I watched this whole season. Well,
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Speaker 1: we don't really get an answer. It is the most
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Speaker 1: mumbo jumbo ever. Can't figure it out. All Zach keeps
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Speaker 1: saying is that like she wasn't the same, and then
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Speaker 1: the doors closed and it was like somebody didn't know.
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Speaker 1: It's like as if she's been acting the entire time,
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Speaker 1: because the girl in the fantasy suite was not the
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Speaker 1: girl that I thought I was dating. He also says
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Speaker 1: that the concern, the main concern that she had that
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Speaker 1: kept repeating throughout the night that he was so thrown
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Speaker 1: off by, was are you sure you're ready for marriage?
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Speaker 1: Or are you sure you're ready to get engaged? That
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Speaker 1: that's what threw you off. That's what you come out
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Speaker 1: of this fantasy suite that you said was bad by
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Speaker 1: just saying that she was questioning your age and your readiness,
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Speaker 1: there was something else. Don't you think there was something else? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I don't even want to say anything. What I don't know.
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Speaker 1: It's a fantasy suites, Like, yeah, you think that didn't
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Speaker 1: go according to plan? Like the physicality wasn't there? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think so all of a sudden, you're behind closed doors.
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Speaker 1: So the first time, you know, you have this moment
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Speaker 1: and I get it. I've been a part of I mean, okay,
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Speaker 1: you know Caitlin. Caitlin I were just good friends, like
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Speaker 1: in all honesty, and so we just all of a
19:16
Speaker 1: sudden were like, yeah, this this probably isn't working. Like,
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Speaker 1: this isn't this is where this could be done. So
19:21
Speaker 1: we you know, stuck out of a castle and ran
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Speaker 1: back and like, I had a lot of fun, and
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Speaker 1: I get this, like I get the moment where you
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Speaker 1: wake up in the morning like, hey, this was a
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Speaker 1: good ride. You and I respect each other. I think
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Speaker 1: you're awesome. I think you're great, but this is probably done.
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Speaker 1: And now, granted, I think that was like a very
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Speaker 1: easy like way for us to handle it. It was,
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Speaker 1: you know, to this day, Caitlin is somebody I love,
19:47
Speaker 1: I like, I care about, I respect, I enjoyed being around.
19:51
Speaker 1: She's funny. Uh. I'm guessing with Rachel and Zach they
19:55
Speaker 1: probably didn't cross the boundary of having that open dialogue,
19:58
Speaker 1: and so it just felt awkward for about twelve hours.
20:01
Speaker 1: It was just a weird moment and all of a
20:03
Speaker 1: sudden Zack's like, yeah, I don't think she's that into me,
20:06
Speaker 1: and Rachel's like, you're right, I'm put that into you,
20:10
Speaker 1: and then they have to move on. That's the most
20:12
Speaker 1: fantastic insider perspective. Well, it's I'm that's what I'm imagining happen,
20:19
Speaker 1: because can you imagine this, Actually put yourself in this scenario.
20:22
Speaker 1: You're dating somebody, all of a sudden, you have that
20:25
Speaker 1: first evening together, right, You're you're deciding to stay over
20:29
Speaker 1: whatever it is, door closes, and you just have this
20:32
Speaker 1: like hit in your gut, like I don't know if
20:35
Speaker 1: I want to be here, Like I don't think this
20:38
Speaker 1: is what you know, the dates and the dinners were cool,
20:40
Speaker 1: and the movie night was really awesome, but now all
20:43
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I'm looking at this being like this
20:45
Speaker 1: is not my future. And put yourself in that scenario.
20:50
Speaker 1: But know that you're on national television and that it's
20:52
Speaker 1: expected that you're in this room now for twelve hours
20:55
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, and it's just awkward for the
20:59
Speaker 1: whole time. And she's asking him questions that like I
21:02
Speaker 1: don't think you're ready, Like she's trying to convince that
21:04
Speaker 1: she's also trying to like talk him out of it, like,
21:07
Speaker 1: you know what, You're right, I'm not ready. What I
21:11
Speaker 1: said earlier about her feeling like the ick right now
21:14
Speaker 1: with him, I think makes so much sense with your theory,
21:19
Speaker 1: because she's starting to feel a little icky, but she
21:21
Speaker 1: knows the way like it kind of rolls, and she
21:23
Speaker 1: knows exactly how she's going to handle the rest of
21:25
Speaker 1: the season. She knows that she's gonna end up with
21:28
Speaker 1: and she plays nice to him on TV, like in
21:31
Speaker 1: front of the cameras and I've I've done this before,
21:34
Speaker 1: not on the show, um, but like in real life.
21:37
Speaker 1: You like just you do the fake smile, you know,
21:39
Speaker 1: you do the smile, and you have your voice in
21:41
Speaker 1: a certain way, and you're like, I know exactly like that.
21:44
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna ever call you a TEXTI again after
21:46
Speaker 1: this day, but we're going to get through it, and
21:48
Speaker 1: you're gonna think that I like you just because I'm
21:49
Speaker 1: being polite. And this is what she's doing on camera.
21:54
Speaker 1: This is just theories, guys, But I think I'm right.
21:57
Speaker 1: And then she gets and gets behind closed doors and
22:01
Speaker 1: she's like, oh god, this guy, I can't even I
22:04
Speaker 1: cannot fake smile anymore. This guy is I'm over This
22:08
Speaker 1: is all I'm thinking. I'm supposed to be in this
22:10
Speaker 1: place where like maybe we have sex with someone, and
22:13
Speaker 1: all I want to do is be with Tina, and
22:15
Speaker 1: if he tries to make a move on me, I'm
22:16
Speaker 1: going to have to push him away. That's what happened.
22:20
Speaker 1: There you go, There you go. That's our assumption, that's
22:22
Speaker 1: our story. We're sticking to it. Hey, Ashley, I've got
22:25
Speaker 1: to play the catch. Jesse Palmer is in the waiting room.
22:30
Speaker 1: He is coming on to speak with you right now.
22:33
Speaker 1: So have a great day all of your listeners. Thank
22:37
Speaker 1: you for letting me join for just a period of
22:39
Speaker 1: time today. Uh, and we'll be back next week a
22:43
Speaker 1: talking about the Bachelorette finale. See you, Ben. I'm actually
22:47
Speaker 1: going to finish the recab with Jesse because the only
22:50
Speaker 1: thing left to really talk about this episode that is
22:53
Speaker 1: juicy is his weird on stage with the lights off situation. Yeah,
22:59
Speaker 1: it's kind of it was kind of too intense and
23:02
Speaker 1: you can tell him I said that. All right, see
23:04
Speaker 1: you guys. Jesse Palmer is now on the lawn with us.
23:19
Speaker 1: He's actually backstage at Kelly and Ryan and that's where
23:22
Speaker 1: I want to start off this convo, Jesse. Kelly Rippa
23:26
Speaker 1: has been so clear about her feelings on the Bachelor franchise,
23:30
Speaker 1: like she hates us. She's definitely she watches. She's very
23:38
Speaker 1: aware not watch. I remember when I was the Bachelor
23:42
Speaker 1: and I came on the show years and years ago,
23:44
Speaker 1: and I remember that's kind of what I learned right away.
23:46
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, she really she asks the tough questions
23:49
Speaker 1: and shares a lot of opinion about it. But I
23:51
Speaker 1: love it. I gotta say, honestly, it's actually a lot
23:53
Speaker 1: of fun because you can totally have fun with her
23:55
Speaker 1: about it on the show too. Okay, cool, we can't
23:57
Speaker 1: all take ourselves that seriously, Kenley, No, no, Now, we
24:01
Speaker 1: usually like to start off or I like to start
24:04
Speaker 1: off my conversations with you. I don't know if everybody
24:06
Speaker 1: likes this, but I like starting with a little NFL talk.
24:09
Speaker 1: And you know that my husband and I are so
24:13
Speaker 1: invested in Tom Brady that um our son is named
24:17
Speaker 1: after him. You know, his middle name is Bertie. Uh.
24:23
Speaker 1: But like we're having a weird we're having a weird
24:25
Speaker 1: Brady week. We not personally, but like Brady is having
24:27
Speaker 1: a weird month. Right. Actually, first off, I thought you
24:31
Speaker 1: were a Giant fan. Okay, where did this whole Like,
24:36
Speaker 1: you know, we've always been Brady fans, Jesse, when when
24:41
Speaker 1: I know one of you is okay if you're not
24:43
Speaker 1: allowed to change your stripes as you after having a baby.
24:46
Speaker 1: Oh but it's not. He's gotten me on team Tom.
24:48
Speaker 1: So it's not even so much that I'm like, I'm
24:51
Speaker 1: like not a I'm not even that much of a
24:53
Speaker 1: Patriots fan really, as I am a Tom fit No, no, Jesse,
24:57
Speaker 1: you don't understand. I always say that like the one
25:00
Speaker 1: the one person that could probably root for their spouses team,
25:05
Speaker 1: and like like in the way that I do is
25:07
Speaker 1: a Giants fan to a Patriots fan because we always
25:10
Speaker 1: kick their butt because we always get them in the
25:13
Speaker 1: big moments. So so you know how that figures out, Yeah, exactly,
25:18
Speaker 1: Like I always have the Trump card and you're allowed
25:21
Speaker 1: to cheer for a player like you might not be
25:23
Speaker 1: like a Patriots fan. If you say I'm a Tom
25:25
Speaker 1: Brady fan, I am a Tom Brady fan. I do
25:28
Speaker 1: not give a rat's ass about what's going on in
25:31
Speaker 1: Foxboro except for the fact that Bill did up everything. Okay,
25:39
Speaker 1: al right, well, yeah, oh gosh, I know. Sorry, Okay,
25:45
Speaker 1: our producers like, okay, actually weally have ten to fifteen
25:48
Speaker 1: minutes with him. So if you don't talk, if you
25:50
Speaker 1: could not talk about Tom and Giselle. But but really,
25:53
Speaker 1: what do we think is going out with Tom? Giselle?
25:55
Speaker 1: I don't know what are you worried? Like, I don't know,
25:58
Speaker 1: I'm not. I mean, he's forty five years old, and like,
26:01
Speaker 1: like I think football people are like, he's taking time away,
26:05
Speaker 1: it's hurting the chemistry of the team. I mean, he's
26:07
Speaker 1: going to get that back right aways. Tom Brady, the
26:09
Speaker 1: guy literally wakes up and he's still Tom Brady. I
26:13
Speaker 1: you know, I would be lying if I said I
26:15
Speaker 1: haven't wondered what might be going on. But honestly, like
26:18
Speaker 1: I this is such a boring answer. I just think
26:21
Speaker 1: he's like, dude, I don't want to do training Camper.
26:23
Speaker 1: Of course, he's like, bro, Like, I'm forty five, I've
26:26
Speaker 1: won how many Super Bowls? I'm not sweating in Tampa
26:30
Speaker 1: in the month of August with all these guys twice
26:32
Speaker 1: a day. I'm not doing it. Like I'll play the
26:34
Speaker 1: games and I'll beat Tom Brady and can just do that?
26:35
Speaker 1: He really doesn't need training. Brady, didn't he like buy
26:40
Speaker 1: He bought just one last time. He bought like a
26:42
Speaker 1: piece of land in Miami for like ten million and
26:44
Speaker 1: like tore it down. Now he's making like a seven
26:46
Speaker 1: million dollar home or something. Right, maybe he had to
26:49
Speaker 1: go look at that. He's creating the compound. Okay for
26:51
Speaker 1: him and for the rest of their lives. Yes, we
26:55
Speaker 1: know that she doesn't like him playing at he said,
26:58
Speaker 1: but he said, I use it or hire at forty five,
27:01
Speaker 1: So we gotta give him the forty year and then
27:02
Speaker 1: he's done. Okay, okay, okay, Now now we transition. We
27:07
Speaker 1: transition now in a beautiful transition with the question, if
27:12
Speaker 1: there is one NFL player out there, um that you
27:15
Speaker 1: would like to see as bachelor, who would it be?
27:18
Speaker 1: We need a stunt caster, We need somebody. We need
27:20
Speaker 1: a stunt cast. So let's get somebody can stay Kwonley, Yes, okay,
27:26
Speaker 1: let's get it. Let's get this happening. You can your
27:28
Speaker 1: people reach out to Stake Kwan? Can you get him
27:30
Speaker 1: on on the podcast? I think he'd be awesome for
27:33
Speaker 1: people who don't know. Ashley knows people out there that
27:35
Speaker 1: don't know. He's the running back of the New York Giants.
27:38
Speaker 1: He's a great guy, he's a good looking sing he's
27:41
Speaker 1: a stud player. See that part. I don't know because
27:44
Speaker 1: he's a good enough football player that he could be
27:46
Speaker 1: dating an A list celebrity if he wanted to, Like
27:49
Speaker 1: it could be Russell Wilson. Cr We love Russell Wilson
27:53
Speaker 1: and Sierra, so it's like he's that level, but I
27:56
Speaker 1: don't know if he is, and if he's not, that
27:59
Speaker 1: would be my NFL pick. Okay, love that answer. Love
28:02
Speaker 1: the answer. Now let's go into deep questions about this show,
28:07
Speaker 1: starting out as to where Ben and I left off
28:11
Speaker 1: with the recap. We see, you know, Gabby goes to Eric,
28:15
Speaker 1: it's all dramatic, Like Hugh, most of his heart wasn't
28:18
Speaker 1: been beating out of his chest. When she like knocks
28:22
Speaker 1: on his door and it's like, let's talk. I'm just
28:24
Speaker 1: gonna get to it. He probably was like, Oh, this
28:27
Speaker 1: is the moment, this is the moment she breaks up
28:28
Speaker 1: with me. And then she's like you're the only one
28:30
Speaker 1: here and I love you, which is so cute. Only
28:36
Speaker 1: only Gabby could do that too. That's like such a
28:38
Speaker 1: Gabby delivery for that moment. Yeah, I can't even imagine
28:42
Speaker 1: what was going through Eric's Eric's mind, you know, it's
28:45
Speaker 1: been so funny. I don't know how you and Ben
28:47
Speaker 1: feel about it, But watching Gabby and Eric this this
28:50
Speaker 1: whole time, like from the beginning, they obviously have this
28:53
Speaker 1: amazing chemistry and you can see that and you can
28:56
Speaker 1: tell that they're falling in love and they have these feelings,
28:58
Speaker 1: but communication with and is so off at times, and
29:03
Speaker 1: it just kind of comes back over and over and over.
29:06
Speaker 1: It's a huge hurdle. They just can't seem to get over,
29:09
Speaker 1: and so because of that, it just feels like there're
29:12
Speaker 1: always one conversation from this thing being over. That's how
29:16
Speaker 1: I feel. You know, it's just so volatile because of
29:19
Speaker 1: their inability to be on the same wavelength that way
29:21
Speaker 1: all the time. But you just know that they have
29:24
Speaker 1: these strong feelings for each other and they want to
29:25
Speaker 1: be together, and so that that's kind of what was
29:30
Speaker 1: my thought watching that back again last night too, I
29:32
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, it's just so intense between
29:34
Speaker 1: these two all the time. Is that a tease or
29:36
Speaker 1: a tea up for what we might see in next
29:39
Speaker 1: week's episode? Yeah, it's not over yet, because yeah, it
29:42
Speaker 1: doesn't look like it's over yet. It's all I'll say, well,
29:45
Speaker 1: you know, it's like one conversation at this point, especially
29:48
Speaker 1: one conversation can can change everything, can blow everything up.
29:54
Speaker 1: And with them because they have these communication breakdowns. Um,
29:59
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, you're on pins and needles every
30:02
Speaker 1: time you know they're coming together because you just wanted
30:04
Speaker 1: to end up. Well, so it's you know, people, people
30:08
Speaker 1: will see it's but it's all say it's not over.
30:12
Speaker 1: You're as serious right now as you are on the
30:15
Speaker 1: stage with no lights on. At the end of the episode,
30:18
Speaker 1: I just escaped. It was like I was I was
30:23
Speaker 1: held by our producers for a week and a random state.
30:26
Speaker 1: It was like apocalyptic, wasn't. I'm watching it back, I'm like,
30:30
Speaker 1: there's zombies outside, they're breaking in. This maybe my last
30:33
Speaker 1: message everyone. It was so like that I'm watching it
30:38
Speaker 1: and I'm like, all right, I gotta press pause here.
30:40
Speaker 1: I don't even know like if I'm missing context here.
30:43
Speaker 1: We're just we're just saying that next week is going
30:45
Speaker 1: to be this dramatic. We have to prepare ourselves in
30:48
Speaker 1: a dark studio. So like Jared came here, came here,
30:51
Speaker 1: analyzed this with me what is going on? And like
30:54
Speaker 1: where's what is that studio too? Like that's like for
30:58
Speaker 1: people at home, honestly, like what when people at home
31:00
Speaker 1: in basturd Nation when you watch these these stage shows,
31:04
Speaker 1: we call them stage shows. So when it's like mental
31:06
Speaker 1: All or women Tell All or a fr um, that's
31:09
Speaker 1: what the studio looks like before it looks like what
31:12
Speaker 1: it does when you watch. So I think there's people
31:14
Speaker 1: out there that that think that stage is always black
31:17
Speaker 1: and shiny and there's video boards and seats and well
31:20
Speaker 1: lit and everything. I mean, what these people do is
31:22
Speaker 1: pretty incredible because I mean that stage shoots movies and
31:25
Speaker 1: different TV shows. But yes, like last night it looked
31:29
Speaker 1: like I was in a zombie apocalypse. I'm trying to
31:32
Speaker 1: announce that, and my wife's watching it. She's on the
31:35
Speaker 1: floor rolling. She's like, you didn't tell me you were
31:39
Speaker 1: going in filming there. She was so mad I had
31:41
Speaker 1: to go back and film that, And she's like, where
31:44
Speaker 1: were you filming that? Why didn't you just film that?
31:46
Speaker 1: And like where we live? You could have picked any
31:48
Speaker 1: studio to do that. You're telling me you had to
31:49
Speaker 1: fly just for that five minute clip. Well, I have
31:53
Speaker 1: to say that it was so captivating that maybe it
31:57
Speaker 1: was worth it. It's got me counting down the moments
32:01
Speaker 1: to get to watch that episode. Okay, so we got
32:03
Speaker 1: to tease there with you that we will have that
32:07
Speaker 1: it is not over. It's not happily ever after with
32:10
Speaker 1: Gabby and Eric. So let's move over to Rachel. And
32:13
Speaker 1: when we left off with her, we see that Zack
32:18
Speaker 1: interrupts the rose ceremony after making a big stink with
32:21
Speaker 1: you having a heart to heart about how she was
32:24
Speaker 1: a different girl in the fantasy suite. So before you
32:27
Speaker 1: came on, Ben and I gave our theory. We said
32:30
Speaker 1: that we think that she like kind of had like
32:31
Speaker 1: the ick with him. She was like over it, but
32:34
Speaker 1: like it was kind of like playing by the roles
32:35
Speaker 1: and being nice and polite, gets behind closed doors and
32:39
Speaker 1: she just can't hide the fact that she's not into
32:42
Speaker 1: him anymore. Like he's probably making moves on her and
32:45
Speaker 1: she was probably like, oh no, I'm thinking about Tino,
32:49
Speaker 1: And what's your theory? Because you had the actual conversation
32:53
Speaker 1: and he kept blaming the engage ready marriage, blah blah blah,
32:58
Speaker 1: but like, was there more to that conver station please Bill. Yeah,
33:02
Speaker 1: so you know, I'm I'm sort of with you. I mean,
33:04
Speaker 1: I'm just reading body language the way you and Ben
33:07
Speaker 1: are doing it too, and how everybody else is watching it. Um.
33:09
Speaker 1: I was surprised that Zach even knocked on my door
33:11
Speaker 1: in the first place, just because everything leading up to
33:14
Speaker 1: that overnight date and the fantasy suite between them seemed
33:16
Speaker 1: like it was just going so so well, and just
33:18
Speaker 1: seeing them interact, talking to Zack, hearing how he felt
33:21
Speaker 1: about her, hearing Rachel about how she felt about him.
33:24
Speaker 1: Everything seemed like it was going so great. And even
33:26
Speaker 1: on that date and at dinner and everything leading into
33:28
Speaker 1: the fantasy suite, it seemed kosher. It seemed fine. Um,
33:32
Speaker 1: but you could just tell that awkward breakfast the morning
33:35
Speaker 1: after something was just really off and it was it
33:38
Speaker 1: was weird. Oh I forgot to mention that. Yeah, like
33:42
Speaker 1: the coffee comments, like it was weird, almost like she
33:45
Speaker 1: was being sarcastic with him. I could not pick up
33:48
Speaker 1: what was going on, and he was he wasn't having it,
33:52
Speaker 1: but she was like, yeah, if everything seems super like
33:55
Speaker 1: active on her part, but like in an obvious way
33:59
Speaker 1: she was talking about she was like, now, like are
34:01
Speaker 1: we on the same page? Like, do you remember what
34:03
Speaker 1: we talked about? And then and it was I didn't
34:06
Speaker 1: know what that conversation was until Zach came and saw
34:08
Speaker 1: me and he mentioned his age. That's when that was.
34:11
Speaker 1: There was the aha moment, like maybe she's not sure
34:14
Speaker 1: that he's really ready at his age, um to do
34:17
Speaker 1: this and to get down on one knee. Um. Seeing
34:21
Speaker 1: how emotionally was I mean, he's he's obviously was heartbroken
34:24
Speaker 1: by that. He was super confused, and you know, he
34:29
Speaker 1: knew he needed to talk to her and address that
34:31
Speaker 1: with her at the Rows ceremony, and that's what that's
34:33
Speaker 1: what he's about to do. We're going to see that.
34:34
Speaker 1: But just based on just body language, watching everything and
34:39
Speaker 1: seeing how how hurt Zack was after the fact, something
34:43
Speaker 1: definitely went down and I think you're going to find
34:45
Speaker 1: that out. Um coming up? What was said? Oh so
34:49
Speaker 1: we do get more? Oh you're you're gonna get more? Oh?
34:52
Speaker 1: Thank goodness. Could it possibly have been because like a
34:56
Speaker 1: sexual rendezvous like awkwardness? I don't know, man. I'll say this,
35:01
Speaker 1: having been in a in a fantasy suite or two
35:04
Speaker 1: in my life, I can say things. Can I mean
35:10
Speaker 1: things can can go off, Things can you know can
35:14
Speaker 1: go wrong, and if there's it's a conversation um or
35:19
Speaker 1: it's a compatibility issue in any way, shape or form.
35:22
Speaker 1: Things you know, you make you make. I think realizations
35:26
Speaker 1: in those moments when you're trying to find clarity, to
35:28
Speaker 1: find out is this person going to be my forever
35:31
Speaker 1: um and it can be a whole different number of things.
35:34
Speaker 1: I think a lot of bastination wants to know what
35:36
Speaker 1: went down, what happened, why were there those weird feels
35:39
Speaker 1: coming out? And I think we're gonna get get those answers.
35:42
Speaker 1: I could keep talking to you about Gabby and Rachel,
35:46
Speaker 1: but I'm going to give you a theory, and we're
35:48
Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna end at this and then move on
35:49
Speaker 1: to Paradise. I think both girls are going to get
35:53
Speaker 1: engaged at the end of this, and I think they're
35:57
Speaker 1: both going to show up to the after the final
36:00
Speaker 1: was single. Okay, this is my stoic face, straight face,
36:04
Speaker 1: straight face, anything away, he's too good at this game. Okay,
36:09
Speaker 1: don't tip all right, I think that's it though. That's
36:13
Speaker 1: my theory. Okay, Well that leads us into what do
36:17
Speaker 1: you prefer? Jesse hosting a Paradise or hosting the main show. Um,
36:24
Speaker 1: I don't know. I sort of like I really enjoyed
36:27
Speaker 1: doing both for different reasons. Paradise was super fun. Um hey,
36:32
Speaker 1: it was great seeing all of you. How is it
36:36
Speaker 1: for you going back there? I mean, I know, I
36:38
Speaker 1: we will talk about it and people see it on air,
36:40
Speaker 1: live and everything. But it was so amazing having both
36:42
Speaker 1: you and Jared that we talked about it like almost daily,
36:45
Speaker 1: being like, can we go back to Paradise? Can we
36:47
Speaker 1: go back to Paradise? Just a little teaser? Was the
36:49
Speaker 1: first time that Paradise was truly Paradise for both of us.
36:52
Speaker 1: It was such a great time. Do you like, do
36:55
Speaker 1: you are you with me on this? Like Paradise looks
36:57
Speaker 1: better in person than it does on TV. I I
37:00
Speaker 1: think it's beautiful. It is. I thought it was stunning.
37:03
Speaker 1: You're talking about sets, you know, and how they change
37:05
Speaker 1: that just bare room into this beautiful set. Talk about
37:09
Speaker 1: what they do for Paradise, like that place is lush.
37:14
Speaker 1: They do so much decorating. I can't believe that the
37:17
Speaker 1: pla Escan data doesn't just keep it up all year
37:19
Speaker 1: round A thousand, a thousand percent. It looks totally different
37:24
Speaker 1: apparently when they when they take it all down again,
37:26
Speaker 1: But just like that area on the beach and the water,
37:28
Speaker 1: it's great. I don't know, man, it was cool seeing
37:31
Speaker 1: people from Clayton season and from Rachel and Gabby season
37:34
Speaker 1: who I knew personally. And it was also cool, you know,
37:37
Speaker 1: being at the gates of Paradise and meeting people that
37:39
Speaker 1: were coming down from previous shows that I had watched
37:41
Speaker 1: as a fan. So that was awesome. Um. And then
37:45
Speaker 1: like I think for people at home when they watch,
37:48
Speaker 1: to me, it's like expecting unexpected in a way, because
37:51
Speaker 1: they're going to be surprised by people who show up.
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Speaker 1: I think they're going to be surprised at who ends
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Speaker 1: up coupling up. And there's some twists in a format
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Speaker 1: that that we've never seen on Paradise before, which is
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Speaker 1: a lot of newness. Yeah, which is maybe why the
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Speaker 1: girls say f you Jesse Palmer in the preview like
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Speaker 1: when had happened and Peter guys the producers like you
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Speaker 1: can see what they said about you? What do you mean?
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Speaker 1: He showed me a video and I was dying laughing
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Speaker 1: at a mental all. I was howling about that he
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Speaker 1: was going to get a shout out, but not like that.
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Speaker 1: All right, Jesse, Well, I have to I've got to
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Speaker 1: let you go. I just want to let you know that,
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Speaker 1: say Kwon Barkley actually has a really hot long time girlfriend.
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Speaker 1: So you're gonna have to come up with a new
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Speaker 1: pick for next time. I see you a new New
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Speaker 1: York gin. Okay, okay, I'll see you next time. Can't wait,
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Speaker 1: can't wait for Paradise and all that. Hi. I had
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Speaker 1: so many more questions for Jesse, but he's a very
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Speaker 1: busy man. Like I said, he was backstage at Kelly
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Speaker 1: and Ryan when I'm talking to him, so he's got
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Speaker 1: big things to do with the finale coming up. I
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Speaker 1: just can't belie this finale. It's dark, guys, it looks dark.
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Speaker 1: I'm scared for both these girls. I really want them
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Speaker 1: to have happy endings, and I'm just worried that they
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Speaker 1: went through all this and they're not going to get it.
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Speaker 1: But Ben and I will be back next week recapping
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Speaker 1: the finale episodes, and then I will be here with
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Speaker 1: Katherine Lowe and that episode will be released on Friday.
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Speaker 1: So I'll talk to you soon. I love you so much.
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Speaker 1: Until then, I've Been Ashley. Follow the Ben and Ashley
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