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The Two Sides of Every Gold Medal: Oksana Baiul Opens Up | (Ep 317) · Voices for Voices®

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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Welcome again to another episode of the Voices for Voices TV show and podcast.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm your host, founder and executive director of Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We are absolutely thrilled to have the guest with us today.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That we do.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: She's in town for another engagement and we got lucky and got a little window of time to speak with her, and so we are just so thankful.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Our guest is Oksana Baiul, so thank you for joining us.
• 1:17
  Oksana Baiul: Hello Justin, how are you?
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Oh, I'm doing much better now.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We're all set.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So, for those that don't know, oxana and uh, obviously you probably are gonna start googling her, uh, but I wanted to share a little bit of information about her, her background and uh, that is uh, she uh not only was, but she still is a figure skater you teach.
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  Oksana Baiul: I skate for myself, but I do teach and sometimes I like tomorrow I'm gonna go to an ice skating rink here in Akron, so and we're very excited about it.
• 2:00
  Oksana Baiul: Oh, my gosh, the more people I meet, the better it is for myself, because when I was younger, young generation would take photos with me and 30 years later they would be sending them to me and it's fascinating for me to see those photos and I'm like, oh my gosh.
• 2:19
  Oksana Baiul: So yeah, tomorrow I'm going to be taking photos at the ice rink here in Ohio and it's just beautiful.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It's so fascinating.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You're a gold medalist from the 1994 Winter Olympics in Lillehammer, Norway.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: The gold medal was just it's just incredible to even just think about what that would take.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So I guess the first thing I want to ask is your final program was a little over four minutes, but the preparation you didn't just show up and and and skate that that day for that performance that there was a lot of work that went into it and uh, can you just talk about just a little bit of like what type of dedication you had to have I grew up in soviet.
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  Oksana Baiul: it's cccp used to be, and then in 1991 to be, and then in 1991, country fell apart and the area where I was growing up become Ukraine and my mother buried in Ukraine and everybody knows right now it's, you know, in turmoils with Russia which my personal feeling towards it it's.
• 3:42
  Oksana Baiul: We can't wait for this to come back and this has been made for me in 2022.
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  Oksana Baiul: When I used to live in Las Vegas and seamstress actually from my hometown, whose, whose daughters live in Las Vegas they made this for me and this became my flag.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It's beautiful.
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  Oksana Baiul: So I grew up in the communist country, basically, and I loved what I did.
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  Oksana Baiul: Since the age of four I was going to the ice rink and I would spend all day at the rink and when normal kids were going to school, what I did was I would go to a cinema and I would watch in the late 80s, living back in Ukraine Arnold Schwarzenegger movies in Ukraine.
• 4:51
  Oksana Baiul: Arnold Schwarzenegger movies, oh yeah, and terminator just came out, my goodness gracious.
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  Oksana Baiul: When I won the gold medal, I did my first show in Sun Valley, Idaho, and here it is real.
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  Oksana Baiul: Arnold Arnold, yeah, in person.
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  Oksana Baiul: Yeah, he comes towards me with his cigar and I remember I couldn't skate, couldn't breathe, and he speaks in real life, like a real person, you know, like, oh my god, oh my goodness.
• 5:18
  Oksana Baiul: Well, the day of the Olympics was fascinating because I was injured and nobody knew if I could make it or not, because I collided with the German ice skater and I thought we both fell down.
• 5:36
  Oksana Baiul: But I fell down from the push and I broke one bird, the brain in my back, and I broke, and she kind of like pushed me away.
• 5:45
  Oksana Baiul: So her skate went into my leg and basically I had to get three stitches, so nobody knew if I can do it or not and I am NOT gonna lie to you.
• 5:58
  Oksana Baiul: The day of the event, when I crossed myself and I was being announced, I went to the middle of the ring and I remember that, like yesterday, I put my hands and I turned my head and I'm like, ah, what is those two girls volunteers doing on the ice?
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  Oksana Baiul: The little girls, basically.
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  Oksana Baiul: I was skating right after Nancy Kerrigan.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah.
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  Oksana Baiul: And those two girls.
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  Oksana Baiul: They've been picking up the flowers after Nancy Because Nancy did her best program ever and it was so many people who were throwing on the ice flowers.
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  Oksana Baiul: So basically those two little girls, when I was in the middle of the ice they were literally going to the area where I do my first triple jump to pick up the leaves from the ice and I just said God, God, just let me finish this, please.
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  Oksana Baiul: So basically, when I started my long program, I went to the area where those two girls picked up the leaves and I did perfect first jump.
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  Oksana Baiul: It was big and high and I felt like confident and I'm going through it.
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  Oksana Baiul: In the middle of the program I remember I would start hearing like towards almost the end of the program from coaches Victor, Galena and Valentin you need to do a combination jump.
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  Oksana Baiul: And I'm like, oh yeah, I guess I forgot it.
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  Oksana Baiul: So I reorganized my whole program towards the almost the end and basically a lot of people they can see this I literally did two crossovers.
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  Oksana Baiul: I did the combination jump and I threw my hands up in the air and I looked it up and I just said to him thank you so much, and I started crying thank you so much, and I will start crying and I was so glad I was able to push it through being injured.
• 8:34
  Oksana Baiul: Yeah and I was so glad I was able to not give up and I was so glad literally I was.
• 8:42
  Oksana Baiul: This was over for me, and because Olympic Games is a competition where a lot of people probably would never understand how much pressure is on you, and to just get through it and just to be there and perform and do your best was everything.
• 9:06
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: How was the?
• 9:08
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So your emotions definitely stood out as I was going through your performances and I'm an emotional person too and I was being a guy, you know.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You know they were taught sometimes as we're growing up like keep your emotions in, don't, don't share them or, you know, just just get through it.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And so to see the emotions that you wore plus the cross on top of the, the program that you did, those two things, the emotions and the cross, like the faith that is important to you and was enough that you wore it and wear it, regardless of where you're at, even if you're in front of millions of people.
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  Oksana Baiul: I grew up with a grandmother and every Sunday she would wake me up and we would go first to Orthodox Church and then we would go to a farmer's market, and that's pretty much was our Sundays, and then, you know, we would buy food for the next week, basically, and that's pretty much how I grew up.
• 10:28
  Oksana Baiul: I grew up in church with my grandma and my grandma was Romanian Jew.
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  Oksana Baiul: Okay, but unfortunately, when you're living in a communist country, you are not allowed to.
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  Oksana Baiul: We weren't allowed to have higher power, different religions.
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  Oksana Baiul: We were only able to have one back then and it was orthodox.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Wow, yeah, it's an, it's incredible and uh, just with the political climate just everywhere, everybody gets judged on what they wear and that, and so myself being Christian, and that it really stood out.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I was like, oh my God, way back then I was 13.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I was born in 1981.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I was it really.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Just it struck me and I remember watching your performance.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I didn't really know you as I know you now and the research I did, but our family it was kind of like a tradition when the Olympics are on and of all the different events, figure skating was like the one where even my dad, like you know, got into it and we would watch it as a family and, like you said, the having that pressure of that modifying your program kind of as is, and you know, getting the marks that you got to get you to gold after Nancy skated her best program, your best program, was enough to make make that, make that goal.
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  Oksana Baiul: I went to the middle of the rink.
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  Oksana Baiul: I did my best.
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  Oksana Baiul: Decision wasn't mine, it was.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: How did it feel when the gold medal got put around your neck?
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  Oksana Baiul: The interesting part about Kiss and Cry area after you sit there you are a contender to be in one, two, three, four, six, and back then everyone knew I would be somewhere there.
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  Oksana Baiul: So basically, as soon as you leave that area, the doping person gets introduced to you, you know.
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  Oksana Baiul: So you have to go through doping control, right?
• 13:06
  Oksana Baiul: So they took me to, I guess, the area where we were doing doping.
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  Oksana Baiul: And then what was happening?
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  Oksana Baiul: When two other skaters were finishing up, my best friend surya bonnoy and katrina vitt, right afterwards I was first.
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  Oksana Baiul: So basically International Olympic Skating Commune, ioc, came up to our team leader and they said we cannot find a national anthem.
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  Oksana Baiul: So they basically it was so much going on behind the scenes At that time when you know, people delivering brown information to Nancy and I was in the men's dressing room because we chose to be there, because it was isolated space, space, and I was just sitting there and I remember Victor and Katya and a lot of skaters they, you know, were sitting with me and I remember they gave me this chocolate bar my favorite chocolate bar and I was just eating it and I was just being told what to do.
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  Oksana Baiul: But then I got the knock on the door and they said Ms Bayou, we are waiting for you.
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  Oksana Baiul: I had no idea what was going on at that time and when they opened the door for me and I was coming out of the dressing room, I said to myself what is going on?
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  Oksana Baiul: Because I literally become celebrity in that time, in that moment, and I couldn't like it was so many people all of a sudden, all of a sudden like can we take a photo with you?
• 15:01
  Oksana Baiul: Can Can you sign this for us?
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  Oksana Baiul: And I was like what is going on?
• 15:06
  Oksana Baiul: Yeah, I've never lived this life before.
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  Oksana Baiul: So they had to clear the entrance for me to go from the dressing room to the podium to get the gold medal.
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  Oksana Baiul: So I was like whoa, how am I handling this now?
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  Oksana Baiul: What is it?
• 15:31
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, I should have said at the beginning congratulations, congratulations.
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  Oksana Baiul: I asked myself.
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  Oksana Baiul: Literally I remember all of it like it's yesterday.
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  Oksana Baiul: I said what is that?
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  Oksana Baiul: That is that comes with the gold.
• 15:47
  Oksana Baiul: Like am I supposed to now sign autographs?
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: oh, wow, that's.
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  Oksana Baiul: That's so amazing and I should have said it at the beginning, but congratulations obviously for the work that you did, yeah, and then I got the gold medal and life has changed forever into a little bit of mental health and substance abuse myself.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I abused alcohol for many years.
• 16:31
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I overdosed on cold and cough medicines 32 pills and luckily survived that.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And it wasn't until I was 37 that I went and got the help that I needed because I thought again that I could handle it.
• 16:48
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I can Google it, I don't need help, I don't need anybody to help me.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And so a little bit about your story.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: If you can share, you know, your journey and recovery, and then we can close on.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You know.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: A final message to those that are watching and listening that may be in a position that you were in, and give maybe some inspiration, which I'm sure you don't do.
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  Oksana Baiul: Well, my father was never a present in my family so he left when I did not even remember him and all I heard from the other side of the family that he did have an addiction problem and he was an alcoholic.
• 17:42
  Oksana Baiul: Have an addiction problem and he was an alcoholic.
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  Oksana Baiul: Me personally, I tried alcohol for the first time.
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  Oksana Baiul: I was obviously was underage and I wasn't drinking.
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  Oksana Baiul: Because you know some people, they go to the clubs, night bars and they drink for fun and they enjoy it.
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  Oksana Baiul: Me personally, I grew up, my life had a lot of trauma and when, on top of that trauma, more stuff came on, I was buckling under the pressure and I couldn't understand.
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  Oksana Baiul: Basically, I was lost.
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  Oksana Baiul: I was lost with life, I was lost with feelings, I was lost with who I was, I was lost with basically what's next for me and I was just drinking because it was basically covering up the pain of poor me.
• 18:57
  Oksana Baiul: You know, because sometimes people look at you and they say, Whoa, it must be nice to be her.
• 19:04
  Oksana Baiul: But every gold medal does have two sides and there is a side that people do get to see on TV and there is a side which people don't and unfortunately, the side that people didn't see, it is the side where I was struggling with learning how to basically survive and for anyone who understands this disease everyone knows this disease is deadly and basically you and I are miracles- we are because we are able to see it and talk about it.
• 19:52
  Oksana Baiul: And I found out from organizers of the event here bill and bob is actually from akron and I'm going right afterwards to their, to their, where they're buried.
• 20:12
  Oksana Baiul: Yeah, and for me, recovery basically is something we never graduate from.
• 20:23
  Oksana Baiul: You know from this, it's a struggle every day, but I highly recommend for people to get help because we cannot do it ourselves.
• 20:40
  Oksana Baiul: We need somebody who you can talk to and we need someone who you can share your struggle with.
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  Oksana Baiul: And me, being who I am, I'm not ashamed, at the age of 47, to say I am an Olympic gold medalist.
• 21:13
  Oksana Baiul: Roxana Bayou and I also have struggled with alcoholism.
• 21:20
  Oksana Baiul: Alcoholism and you know people can judge, but it's basically their opinion of you.
• 21:34
  Oksana Baiul: It's not how I feel.
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  Oksana Baiul: I feel that if you can live one day at a time and not touch the drink and survive and be somebody who is able to even speak about it, because you know when disease kicking you in, you go into a very dark place in your life where you can, you can't just come out and stop and just say thank you, god, you know for what I have.
• 22:19
  Oksana Baiul: You learn to appreciate life.
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  Oksana Baiul: You learn to appreciate life.
• 22:22
  Oksana Baiul: You learn to appreciate things and you learn to be who you are.
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  Oksana Baiul: You know, to feel comfortable in your skin, yes, so by being a part of this journey.
• 22:42
  Oksana Baiul: I am here to talk about it.
• 22:46
  Oksana Baiul: How you know, this disease literally sometimes kicks you in the butt and some people you know, when they slip up, they go out and they never come back.
• 23:03
  Oksana Baiul: It's unfortunate it's unfortunate.
• 23:08
  Oksana Baiul: It's so unfortunate and you know I'm glad we were able to speak about it.
• 23:16
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I am too, and thank you for being so transparent, because it it is.
• 23:20
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It's it.
• 23:21
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It's easy to bottle up our emotions and not talk about it, but once I started talking about and sharing, I started to feel a little bit of peace of mind, just to knowing that I was letting those emotions out and finding healthy ways and coping mechanisms and, instead of going to drink, finding other things like just being comfortable on your own skin and being okay with where we're at.
• 23:51
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We're all imperfect.
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  Oksana Baiul: Life is a beautiful, beautiful gift and I am not a perfect human.
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  Oksana Baiul: People might think I am just because I have a cold pillow.
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  Oksana Baiul: But I have learned to forgive myself for certain things and I have learned to love myself for who I am, for all imperfections.
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  Oksana Baiul: I mean, you can't really tell, but we're sitting so far away.
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  Oksana Baiul: But you know a lot of people.
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  Oksana Baiul: They do judge you and they say a lot of things about you, but you just have to be okay with that, you know, and you just have to love yourself enough to say you know what.
• 24:44
  Oksana Baiul: It's okay, it's your opinion.
• 24:47
  Oksana Baiul: That is not my opinion and I respect your opinion, but I don't think the way how you do and that's how I cope with my life right now.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Excellent.
• 25:01
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, we're at the end of our time together.
• 25:04
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I just want to say thank you so much for coming on, being so transparent, sharing everything from Olympic gold to recovery, and just talking about being a human, which we all are.
• 25:17
  Oksana Baiul: Oh yeah, and I'm wearing a jacket which is giving to us, to skaters from the 90s Old timers.
• 25:28
  Oksana Baiul: I like to call myself an old timer now, I'm not a newcomer, it's actually 1994.
• 25:37
  Oksana Baiul: It's a champion, it's a nice tour.
• 25:39
  Oksana Baiul: So this is really dear and I love this jacket and I'm wearing it now.
• 25:47
  Oksana Baiul: And I just wanted to say to people live your lives, life is too short.
• 25:57
  Oksana Baiul: Be who you are and fight for what you believe in.
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  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Absolutely, Oksana Bayot.
• 26:08
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you so much thank you, you're so gracious for your time.
• 26:10
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you, and we want to thank our absolutely uh.
• 26:12
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We also want to thank our viewers, our listeners, wherever you're at, or uh.
• 26:18
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We just passed a milestone of reaching 80 countries, 800 cities, not just here, just here in Northeast Ohio, but across the world, and we can't do that without you.
• 26:28
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So, again, if you can give us a thumbs up like share, follow all those great things.
• 26:34
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And Oksana she's a legend as a gold medalist, but she's also a legend as a human being of being able to talk about the hard topics that we we deal with, that sometimes we want to keep inside, and and so I echo oxana by saying if, if you need help or if you know somebody that needs help, if you're in crisis or know somebody that is, there's now that 988 hotline.
• 27:06
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You can text it, you can call it, you can go to 988 hotlinecom and you can chat, uh, on the keyboard on your phone, and you're not alone.
• 27:20
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Trust, trust, trust, oxana, and trust myself.
• 27:23
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We're not.
• 27:24
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We're not alone.
• 27:25
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Trust Oxana, and trust myself, we're not alone.
• 27:27
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We got through a lot of hard times but, as we know, life's not easy, and so take it again, as Oxana said, take it one moment, one minute, one day at a time, and learn to be comfortable in your skin and learn to be comfortable in your skin and don't be ashamed of asking for help, because help is.
• 27:52
  Oksana Baiul: People are wonderful and if you go and ask for help and if you will do what it takes to stay sober, it's a beautiful life.
• 28:08
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Absolutely so.
• 28:09
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We'll see you next time on the Voices for Voices TV show and podcast.
• 28:14
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Again, I'm your host, Founder, Executive Director of Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes, and we just concluded an awesome interview with 1994 gold medalist, human being, recovery, individual, transparent.
• 28:33
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, it's learned to love herself like I've learned to love myself.
• 28:38
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, letting people share their opinions, but not, uh, not always having to take those to heart, to believe who we are through our own thoughts and our own mind.
• 28:49
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And again, we're grateful for our viewers, our listeners, and I love the flag.
• 28:56
  Oksana Baiul: I will sign it for you.
• 28:58
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I was hoping you would.
• 28:59
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We're approaching 2026 Olympics.
• 29:01
  Oksana Baiul: I know it's so soon and we will be watching Absolutely, and there is a lot soon and we will be watching Absolutely.
• 29:04
  Oksana Baiul: And there is a lot of good skaters will be skating oh.
• 29:08
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I can't wait so thank you again.
• 29:11
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you Absolutely so we'll see you next time on the Voices for Voices TV show and podcast.
• 29:18
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Please be a voice for you or somebody else in need.