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46. Exploring the Flow of Life through Family Constellations with Ale Figueroa · Constellations and all that...

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  Tracy Cartwright: Kiona and welcome to Constellations and all that.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I'm your host, Tracy Cartwright, and together we will be exploring the world of family constellations with facilitators for and clients from around the world, looking at different perspectives and experiences in the work, having a cup of tea, and just chatting with some friends around their experiences in constellations.
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  Tracy Cartwright: We'd love for you to join us.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I hope that you enjoy this series as much as I have loved making it.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Hi everyone.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Welcome to Constellations and all that.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Today I have the pleasure of talking with my colleague, Ale Figueroa, and welcome Ali.
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  Ale Figueroa: Thank you.
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  Ale Figueroa: Thank you, Tracy.
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  Ale Figueroa: Thank you for inviting me for this podcast.
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  Ale Figueroa: I've been listening and I think there are, yeah.
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  Ale Figueroa: Great stories there.
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  Ale Figueroa: And, uh, that's a really good way to share about this, uh, family constellation.
• 0:59
  Ale Figueroa: Journey,
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  Tracy Cartwright: which means like a
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  Ale Figueroa: life philosophy.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Well, that's my journey, that's my intention.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And to make it accessible for everyone so that it's understandable.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So coming from all sorts of different angles and everyone's gonna share something slightly different and it's gonna land for someone.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So I'm gonna invite you to introduce yourself in a way that whatever is there for you.
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  Tracy Cartwright: For the listeners and the viewers.
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  Ale Figueroa: Well, Kiara, everyone, my name is Sierra Alejandro Fierro.
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  Ale Figueroa: I originally born in Argentina, but I live in new for the last, uh, 10 years.
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  Ale Figueroa: 10 and a half years now, and I. Start my journey, my family constellation journey like 11 years ago in Argentina.
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  Ale Figueroa: And then I came to New Zealand and I start to find like a kind of family constellation here.
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  Ale Figueroa: Family and yeah.
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  Ale Figueroa: And well, I start to do, yes, I, 11 years ago, um, becoming a facilitator also like.
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  Ale Figueroa: I dunno.
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  Ale Figueroa: Two, uh, no, three years ago, um, yeah, I was practicing and doing family constellations on them.
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  Ale Figueroa: Beautiful.
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  Ale Figueroa: And in my full time, uh, I work in government and I am also a yoga teacher, so I teach yoga twice per week.
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  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
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  Ale Figueroa: In, well, I am based in Wallington.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Beautiful.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I didn't know that you worked in the government.
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  Tracy Cartwright: What do you do for the government?
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  Ale Figueroa: Well, um, I'm in the process,
• 2:41
  Tracy Cartwright: process to change.
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  Ale Figueroa: I'm in the process to change jobs.
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  Ale Figueroa: Um, I am working now in NCTA, but New Zealand Transport Agency in the digital space.
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  Ale Figueroa: But I am going to move next week to the Crown Response Office, um, in a senior administrator role.
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  Ale Figueroa: So that's, um.
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  Ale Figueroa: That's very a privilege for me being part of the, the Crown, which is a new office was created last year.
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  Ale Figueroa: They used to work along with Oranga Tamari.
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  Ale Figueroa: Um, they are responding about the child abuse case that happened in New Zealand between 51, 90, 50 and 2000.
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  Ale Figueroa: So I will be.
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  Ale Figueroa: They are from next Monday.
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  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Wow.
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  Ale Figueroa: Start.
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  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Wow.
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  Tracy Cartwright: That's, that's a, a huge shift in position.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yes.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And then your yoga teacher and a family constellation facilitator.
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  Ale Figueroa: Yes.
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  Ale Figueroa: Um, well, my background is, uh, in reality is legal.
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  Ale Figueroa: I used to work as lawyer in Argentina as well.
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  Ale Figueroa: Um, yeah, I work for, in a law firm for five years doing a little bit of everything in the fields of the law, like criminal tax, commercial, family, um, well, a mix of everything.
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  Ale Figueroa: And then.
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  Ale Figueroa: I decide to, to move to New Zealand because I was looking for a change in my life.
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  Ale Figueroa: I have one of my best friends, uh, from the school living here.
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  Ale Figueroa: Um, I used to follow her photos in Facebook.
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  Ale Figueroa: I say, oh my God, it's just an amazing place.
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  Ale Figueroa: I want to be there.
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  Ale Figueroa: So I decide to take a step out of my comfort zone.
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  Ale Figueroa: Um, being brave and I, I did on my own.
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  Ale Figueroa: Um, I was having like the comfy life in Argentina.
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  Ale Figueroa: Um, while working as a lawyer while I used to be in a relationship.
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  Ale Figueroa: Um, suddenly like things change and definitely family Constellation was part of this journey for me.
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  Ale Figueroa: I discovered family constellations.
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  Ale Figueroa: Um.
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  Ale Figueroa: The year before I came to New Zealand and I was struggling in my life, um, just broken up with my ex-partner and then I wasn't really sure about my career.
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  Ale Figueroa: On my life, um, my best friend, um, went to Argentina to get married the same year.
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  Ale Figueroa: So I think it was everything like start to be aligned in some point.
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  Ale Figueroa: And I tried to apply for the work in holiday Visa and I didn't get it.
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  Ale Figueroa: And then my mom came to me to talk me about family constellations.
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  Ale Figueroa: Um, it was September, 2014 and when she came to share about experience, um.
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  Ale Figueroa: She tried to explain me about how, how does it work?
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  Ale Figueroa: Um, what was the experience and how did she feel?
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  Ale Figueroa: And when she tried to explain me, I say, mom, you must be crazy.
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  Ale Figueroa: This doesn't make sense.
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  Ale Figueroa: It doesn't make sense that you will be in a room with a. Group of people, um, the work was leading by a facilitator and the people came with a speci, the person came with a specific issue.
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  Ale Figueroa: Um, then you choose representatives to, to this issue, to, to explore this issue.
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  Ale Figueroa: And then these people start to.
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  Ale Figueroa: To develop this kind of behavior or gestures or
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  Tracy Cartwright: things
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  Ale Figueroa: like your family members.
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  Ale Figueroa: So I was very, very struggling to, to believe that.
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  Ale Figueroa: And I think it's, well, it's, it's quite hard.
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  Ale Figueroa: I still find quite hard to explain about what, what does it mean?
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  Ale Figueroa: Family constellation.
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  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Is it quite big in It is quite big in Argentina, isn't it?
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  Tracy Cartwright: Throughout South
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  Ale Figueroa: America?
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  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
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  Ale Figueroa: Yeah, it's very popular.
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  Ale Figueroa: Um, I knew that Bert Hellinger went many, many times to Argentina.
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  Ale Figueroa: Unfortunately, I, I, I wouldn't, I, I couldn't be there because I was too young.
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  Ale Figueroa: I, I couldn't.
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  Ale Figueroa: I couldn't, uh, discover this pathway before, you know, where things happen for a reason.
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  Ale Figueroa: Um, I think just in the right time or the right moment.
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  Ale Figueroa: But yeah, I, when she came to explain me, um, I was pretty devastated about my life and quite lost.
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  Ale Figueroa: Um, I decide to, to give a try anyway, and I went for a session.
• 8:22
  Ale Figueroa: In Argentina.
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  Ale Figueroa: Um, and that's where really, uh, feel the big shift on my life.
• 8:31
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Ale Figueroa: I had, first, I had a one-on-one session.
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  Ale Figueroa: Because I felt like it was very shy.
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  Ale Figueroa: I couldn't, I couldn't share, um, with them.
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  Ale Figueroa: I mean with them that's a matter of time because we, after that we discovered this, that maybe our ego that fight us to this with this kind of feel like we felt really special.
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  Ale Figueroa: Um, you don't want to share, but at the same time.
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  Ale Figueroa: That's the beauty of the service.
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  Ale Figueroa: Um, to be in service for you and your family system and others, people, family system.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: When you represent,
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  Ale Figueroa: yeah.
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  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
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  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
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  Ale Figueroa: That's, that's amazing.
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  Ale Figueroa: But yeah, it caused me a little bit what, anyway, I decide to go, I want to be able to explain about these feelings or these experience in one-on-one session because it was like a kind of also visualizations of things that I really be able to understand once I came to New Zealand and.
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  Ale Figueroa: Yeah, and everything starts to flow.
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  Ale Figueroa: So when I was disappointed because I couldn't get my working holiday visa, I decide to make like a Plan B, and I came with a student visa and to New Zealand.
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  Ale Figueroa: Then well, I, I start to do my life and I make, I made myself realization, oh my God.
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  Ale Figueroa: Just I decide to take a flight, quit my job, my life in Argentina, and then I came to New Zealand without speak English, which is really important.
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  Ale Figueroa: So I was struggling for, yeah, first.
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  Ale Figueroa: Er first couple of years.
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  Ale Figueroa: Um, and then I got my working holiday visa and it was like everything started to keep flowing easier.
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  Ale Figueroa: Mm-hmm.
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  Ale Figueroa: And that's how I made the self realization also about things happen in the right time, in the right place, in the right moment.
• 10:55
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, absolutely.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And I think you and I met in 2019.
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  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
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  Ale Figueroa: 2019. Yeah, that's right.
• 11:05
  Tracy Cartwright: So six years ago when, um, when Liz Leslie Nips came over for the first time.
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  Ale Figueroa: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Ale Figueroa: And I think it was also the first, the, the same year that I did my, I started to do my family constellation training with temperature, the ribs, um, from Spain.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
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  Ale Figueroa: Yeah, I, I follow the, the facilitator in Argentina just suggests me to do this training.
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  Ale Figueroa: So I start to do like an online training with, she has like plenty of, um.
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  Ale Figueroa: Courses and Yeah.
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  Ale Figueroa: Things sharing in the website.
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  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
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  Ale Figueroa: She developed like the Family Constellation School in Spain.
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  Ale Figueroa: Yeah, and that's how I start.
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  Ale Figueroa: And then, well, before I meet Maya, also another facilitator.
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  Ale Figueroa: She lives in Pickton in 2017.
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  Ale Figueroa: It was like two years later that I arrived to New Zealand and I still was struggling to explain about what Family Constellation was.
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  Ale Figueroa: And then I start to organize like, um, small workshops, um, uh, retreats in here in Wellington.
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  Ale Figueroa: So, so you were
• 12:23
  Tracy Cartwright: running yourself.
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  Ale Figueroa: No, I help Maya to organize.
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  Ale Figueroa: Um, was, uh, same workshops that we did in, in Wellington and same years later, like, I dunno, three years ago, I start to, to run small workshops here in Wellington and one-on-one sessions as well.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Fantastic.
• 12:46
  Tracy Cartwright: Fantastic.
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  Tracy Cartwright: There's so much, uh, this work is so needed out there, right?
• 12:51
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So very, very needed.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Uh,
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  Ale Figueroa: yeah.
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  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
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  Ale Figueroa: And then I meet you.
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  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
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  Ale Figueroa: In 2019 in the retreat with Leslie through
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  Tracy Cartwright: in
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  Ale Figueroa: April.
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  Ale Figueroa: But it was like, it was a, yeah, actually huge retreat with lot of people.
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  Ale Figueroa: It was lovely.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: It was my, it was my first event of hosting anyone and um, yeah, it was great.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Leslie, Leslie Nis is a, a fantastic facilitator and, um, yeah, it just went really smoothly.
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  Tracy Cartwright: We worked really well together, so.
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  Tracy Cartwright: It was a great opportunity too.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I learned a lot from it as well.
• 13:27
  Tracy Cartwright: And, uh, yeah, and, and doing so much more with all that.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Now, you know, some facilitators, they like to follow certain topics, like for example, Maria works with couples and she works with addiction.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Is there anything that you specifically work with or are you quite open to, do you do most things?
• 13:49
  Ale Figueroa: Generally I am very, very open to, to, to see everyone and discover the work of everyone because everyone is different.
• 13:58
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
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  Ale Figueroa: Um, some people may choose to, you know, specialize in specific things like traumas, um, and other people specialize like, I dunno.
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  Ale Figueroa: Um, system systemic constellations, which is also very used in companies.
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  Ale Figueroa: Um.
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  Ale Figueroa: Um, yeah.
• 14:19
  Ale Figueroa: Organizations and yeah.
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  Ale Figueroa: Um, but I am, I am open to, to discover everyone when, when I saw I, I am also very curious, so I just mm-hmm.
• 14:33
  Ale Figueroa: Catch my attention.
• 14:34
  Ale Figueroa: Um mm-hmm.
• 14:35
  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
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  Ale Figueroa: I'm also open to share and.
• 14:39
  Ale Figueroa: To, to be in this, um, service of love because that's, that's the meaning for me.
• 14:44
  Ale Figueroa: It's about being, um, in service, um, for your family system and others family system and what's the main purpose of that.
• 14:57
  Ale Figueroa: And I feel like it's to keep the load flowing.
• 15:03
  Tracy Cartwright: Absolutely.
• 15:03
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 15:04
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: If you think about your life when you were a lawyer, Hmm.
• 15:10
  Tracy Cartwright: Then you think about constellations.
• 15:12
  Tracy Cartwright: 'cause I know in Brazil they use, um, family constellations in some courts and some judges use it for a divorce or uh hmm.
• 15:24
  Tracy Cartwright: Other things or something else that they use it mostly for is how would you, could you see that the benefit.
• 15:33
  Ale Figueroa: Yeah, I knew there is, um, one lawyer in Argentina.
• 15:38
  Ale Figueroa: Uh, she lives in Cordova and she's very, very close to Champ Ribs in Spain, and she's a lawyer and she's a family Constellation facilitator, and she's, I know she's using, um, family constellation in.
• 15:56
  Ale Figueroa: During, I dunno, like mediations or this kind of things.
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  Ale Figueroa: She, she's a family's lawyer specializing in family.
• 16:05
  Ale Figueroa: I think, I am not really, really aware about how will be, but I will be very, very open to try because I feel like that's the, the key of this work, like just being open and let's, let's see.
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  Ale Figueroa: Things happening and flowing.
• 16:27
  Ale Figueroa: I imagine that can be very, very helpful because I think that our, where we came from the, we belong to a family system.
• 16:37
  Ale Figueroa: Everyone belongs to a family system and all the information is coming through our DNA, and that's how we tend to repeat behaviors or patterns.
• 16:50
  Ale Figueroa: When we have the opportunity just to acknowledge sometimes it's acknowledge or just seeing things.
• 16:58
  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
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  Ale Figueroa: That's how we start to feel the shift.
• 17:02
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 17:02
  Tracy Cartwright: It's when I went to watch the movie, the Four Love Letters, have you heard of that one?
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  Tracy Cartwright: And they used Constellations, so the producer of them, um, the movie used Constellations in the process of creating the film.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Over a number of years.
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  Tracy Cartwright: It wasn't just a, and the actors used it as well, um, for actually not a hundred percent sure what they, how or what, but it was a fascinating film and it made you think about the layers.
• 17:34
  Tracy Cartwright: And that's why I think about with, with the court systems as well, you know, like that, being able to see what is behind someone or see the.
• 17:47
  Tracy Cartwright: You know, like for couples when they are separating and stuff like that, being able to see the partner and what's behind them.
• 17:53
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: It would be fascinating, wouldn't it, to put that into perspective with and, uh, as a lawyer in the situation as well.
• 18:01
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 18:03
  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
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  Ale Figueroa: I feel like I can be very, very helpful because it's also important that, that see some, the staff or the work.
• 18:14
  Ale Figueroa: It's coming before us and sometimes it's like generations through generations.
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  Ale Figueroa: And as long as we make the acknowledge about that is like we can yeah.
• 18:27
  Ale Figueroa: Feel and see the shift.
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  Ale Figueroa: And that's how I feel like the soul movement start to, to work and, and move in a slow direction because I feel like the movements are slow.
• 18:44
  Ale Figueroa: And as much as it's slower, it can be healed.
• 18:50
  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
• 18:50
  Ale Figueroa: I wasn't aware about the movie, but I watched the Another Self, the series,
• 18:57
  Tracy Cartwright: so yeah, apparently there's another one of that coming out.
• 18:58
  Tracy Cartwright: But yeah, that, um, the Four Lovely Letters has just been out at the movie theater, so, and you can, you can see not having, knowing.
• 19:11
  Tracy Cartwright: That they use systemic work, systemic, um, questionings and the, and the creation of it.
• 19:17
  Tracy Cartwright: And you can see the layers of that throughout the, I think you've gotta see the movie to understand that part of it, but
• 19:25
  Ale Figueroa: yeah.
• 19:25
  Tracy Cartwright: No,
• 19:26
  Ale Figueroa: but yeah, that's, that's fascinated.
• 19:27
  Ale Figueroa: I feel like that's wonderful.
• 19:30
  Ale Figueroa: This.
• 19:32
  Ale Figueroa: Journey.
• 19:33
  Ale Figueroa: As I say, it's a life philosophy because it's, as long as you discover you want to be, uh, yeah, you want to be in the journey.
• 19:43
  Ale Figueroa: Well, not everyone, but some people feel like, yeah, it can be like your life's journey living through, I think acceptances.
• 19:57
  Ale Figueroa: One of the biggest keys as well.
• 19:59
  Ale Figueroa: Acceptance about life and things as they are.
• 20:05
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 20:06
  Tracy Cartwright: And that's not always easy for people, is it?
• 20:08
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm.
• 20:11
  Ale Figueroa: That's the challenge because sometimes it, it's easy to accept things that we, we love, but we like it.
• 20:18
  Ale Figueroa: Uh, but I think it's, it's very difficult to, to, to accept things that we don't like It.
• 20:26
  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
• 20:26
  Ale Figueroa: Or, or we don't, I mean there are like things that sounds like crazy.
• 20:33
  Ale Figueroa: I remember in another self, in the Syria, one of them, I don't want to talk too much because some people cannot see that, but it was like a big, one of the clients came with a cancer, a terminal cancer, and the facilitator say.
• 20:54
  Ale Figueroa: Can you say thank you to the cancer?
• 20:57
  Ale Figueroa: Of course not, because it's, it's very hard, but it's not about us.
• 21:06
  Ale Figueroa: I feel like, yeah, it came before, before, before someone, someone else got cancer, someone else got an addiction, someone else got, um, an imbalanced relationship and that's.
• 21:22
  Ale Figueroa: How the, the shift on the, the change start.
• 21:26
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
• 21:27
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 21:28
  Tracy Cartwright: Would there be any examples that you, of the work that you feel that you could share for the listeners and the viewers without, um, crossing any confidentiality or anything like that or something that you've witnessed or read?
• 21:43
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah,
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  Ale Figueroa: I remember, like, I did like two, two sessions.
• 21:48
  Ale Figueroa: Um, it was last year ago, two sessions with two different womens that they, they want to be mom and they couldn't, they couldn't be pregnant.
• 22:05
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
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  Ale Figueroa: So I have to go with different opportunities through the.
• 22:12
  Ale Figueroa: Feminine, um, size from the mom because they are, were like abortions.
• 22:21
  Ale Figueroa: Um, so much suffering involved in all these maternity process.
• 22:29
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 22:30
  Ale Figueroa: Um, as long as they had the acknowledge to discover and just seeing the things.
• 22:39
  Ale Figueroa: I think four months later, three months later, they were pregnant.
• 22:44
  Ale Figueroa: Oh my God.
• 22:45
  Ale Figueroa: That's, that's, that's how it works.
• 22:48
  Ale Figueroa: And sometimes things can change like in a click, and sometimes things can change in some months.
• 22:57
  Ale Figueroa: Another interesting thing that can happen is like, people came with a specific.
• 23:02
  Ale Figueroa: Issue of things.
• 23:04
  Ale Figueroa: I know what I want to constellate.
• 23:06
  Ale Figueroa: I know, so I am going to sit in the hot chair and I want to see this issue.
• 23:14
  Ale Figueroa: And then just the person came and sit in the hot chair and say, oh, but it wasn't at all that I want to say.
• 23:25
  Ale Figueroa: That's, that's not I wants to mean.
• 23:28
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm.
• 23:29
  Ale Figueroa: And it's because also the, the feel.
• 23:32
  Ale Figueroa: It's going to show us the things that we need to see in the right time at the same moment.
• 23:38
  Ale Figueroa: And it's about, again, that's an ego fight because it's not about that we want, it's about that we are ready to see according to our life, according with the soul movement.
• 23:50
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
• 23:51
  Tracy Cartwright: Yes.
• 23:52
  Tracy Cartwright: The ego fight.
• 23:54
  Tracy Cartwright: I remember seeing, um, seeing a gentleman, a much older gentleman, and he sat in the hot seat and he says.
• 24:02
  Tracy Cartwright: He wanted to look at his relationship and, and he, I know what's wrong.
• 24:08
  Tracy Cartwright: I know where the ans I know what's wrong.
• 24:11
  Tracy Cartwright: I know where it all starts, and da da da.
• 24:13
  Tracy Cartwright: And the facilitator very kindly said, there's no need for you to sit in the hot chair in the hot seat if you already know the answer.
• 24:22
  Tracy Cartwright: And like, oh, oh, oh, oh no.
• 24:24
  Tracy Cartwright: Uh, no, no.
• 24:26
  Tracy Cartwright: I don't really know where it is.
• 24:29
  Tracy Cartwright: So he had his, he had his mindset on, uh, on it being his all, all laying the blame on his partner.
• 24:37
  Tracy Cartwright: Whereas Constellations isn't about blame, right?
• 24:39
  Tracy Cartwright: It's about seeing what's what's and acknowledging what's there.
• 24:43
  Tracy Cartwright: So, yeah, so he got a very different experience to what he thought he was gonna have.
• 24:48
  Tracy Cartwright: 'cause sometimes people come to the constellations thinking it's talk therapy, thinking they're going to get to sit and just talk and talk and, um.
• 24:57
  Tracy Cartwright: But it's really an experience, isn't it?
• 25:00
  Ale Figueroa: Yeah, definitely.
• 25:01
  Ale Figueroa: It's an experience just to live.
• 25:03
  Ale Figueroa: It's very hard to explain how does it work, because also every experience must be different.
• 25:10
  Ale Figueroa: Every person is different, every family system is different.
• 25:14
  Ale Figueroa: So yeah, that's always, always something change.
• 25:20
  Ale Figueroa: Um, that's another thing.
• 25:22
  Ale Figueroa: I mean, as a facilitator, you cannot guarantee results.
• 25:27
  Ale Figueroa: Because you can't, but you will see a shift in some point.
• 25:32
  Ale Figueroa: And sometimes, as I say, it can be quicker, sometimes can be slower.
• 25:36
  Ale Figueroa: Um, but that's the main key, just came with a heart open to let things happen.
• 25:47
  Ale Figueroa: And that's, that's the beauty
• 25:50
  Tracy Cartwright: And gala.
• 25:50
  Tracy Cartwright: Bel did a constellation with me probably about six or seven years ago, maybe even more.
• 25:55
  Tracy Cartwright: And, and it got to a point and, and there was a, it was like a, there was no, there was insight.
• 26:03
  Tracy Cartwright: There was no resolution.
• 26:05
  Tracy Cartwright: Um, but it felt like, you know, when a pimple is just ready to burst and there's all this pressure, and she oh, and she says, right, or Leave it there and uh, you can go, you've got homework to do.
• 26:17
  Tracy Cartwright: And I was like, lift my mouth open.
• 26:23
  Tracy Cartwright: Feeling like what?
• 26:26
  Tracy Cartwright: But it was the best thing for me at that time.
• 26:28
  Tracy Cartwright: I've had other constellations where there's been a beautiful resolution and I've felt amazing shifts as well.
• 26:34
  Tracy Cartwright: So I don't think one is better than the other.
• 26:37
  Tracy Cartwright: I think they've both had their place and, and yeah.
• 26:41
  Tracy Cartwright: We never know as we start a constellation where it's gonna end or or what it's gonna show up.
• 26:46
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 26:47
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah,
• 26:48
  Ale Figueroa: that's, that's really true.
• 26:49
  Ale Figueroa: You are totally.
• 26:51
  Ale Figueroa: Yeah, you are totally right.
• 26:53
  Ale Figueroa: Uh, Tracy, because that's a, as a, I think it's a main point as well.
• 26:57
  Ale Figueroa: No, as a facilitator also to know when the constellation has to stop because it's not about having like a happy, um, and then, um, like everyone is going to be happy and, you know, like party.
• 27:18
  Ale Figueroa: Sometimes it's like a small or a slow soul movement that has to be seen or acknowledged, and that's how the work starts.
• 27:30
  Ale Figueroa: And sometimes you don't have this kind of.
• 27:33
  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
• 27:33
  Ale Figueroa: Resolution.
• 27:34
  Ale Figueroa: It's, that's all
• 27:36
  Tracy Cartwright: I say.
• 27:37
  Tracy Cartwright: You're not always gonna get a Disney ending 'cause because the, the energy expands and it contracts and you feel like by the, sometimes at the end of a constellation you feel like you've just watched a whole movie.
• 27:49
  Tracy Cartwright: And it's almost like, um, there've been times when I've felt like, you know, where they've got all the music and the sound.
• 27:57
  Tracy Cartwright: And everything's moving.
• 27:58
  Tracy Cartwright: That's the whole experience that I've had, even though there hasn't been the music and, and that like, as in a cinema, and then you get a really nice ending at it, and that feels like, uh, a beautiful, I I, I, not that I call it a Disney ending, but I say to people, you're not always gonna get that.
• 28:19
  Ale Figueroa: Yeah, no, that's totally, totally true.
• 28:22
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, because sometimes you feel like you've just sat in what you, when you're witnessing, it's like.
• 28:27
  Tracy Cartwright: You've just watched the movie, you just watched this whole thing go off in front of you, and it's like, wow.
• 28:33
  Tracy Cartwright: You know, when you get really engrossed and really involved in a movie.
• 28:38
  Ale Figueroa: Yes,
• 28:39
  Tracy Cartwright: yes.
• 28:39
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 28:41
  Tracy Cartwright: And probably not, didn't depict that very well, but, uh, yeah.
• 28:46
  Tracy Cartwright: Anyway, uh, let's see.
• 28:47
  Tracy Cartwright: What other questions have I got?
• 28:49
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, who's, who would be one of your top facilitators?
• 28:52
  Tracy Cartwright: Or maybe you have a few.
• 28:54
  Tracy Cartwright: Who would be your favorite?
• 28:55
  Ale Figueroa: My, um, teacher from, from Spain.
• 29:00
  Ale Figueroa: It's, um, really, really good one.
• 29:03
  Ale Figueroa: I found like she develop, um, a very, very complete training that I am still actually doing because she has like three different levels and she got like plenty of, um, modules and videos about.
• 29:22
  Ale Figueroa: Every topic that you can work in constellations and that's, well, that's a long training.
• 29:30
  Ale Figueroa: That's why I say like a life philosophy.
• 29:34
  Ale Figueroa: I found like she is working in this also, as you mentioned, like kind of, because it's kind of a meditation movement.
• 29:43
  Ale Figueroa: You don't have to to talk too much.
• 29:46
  Ale Figueroa: That's another thing, like people came sometimes like.
• 29:50
  Ale Figueroa: Like, I dunno, like, oh no, I don't want to talk.
• 29:53
  Ale Figueroa: I don't want to, but you don't really need to talk.
• 29:57
  Ale Figueroa: It's just the main key is just coming with an open heart and sore hurt and to see everything that you need to see in this moment.
• 30:08
  Ale Figueroa: So then, um, Maya and she's based in Picton.
• 30:13
  Ale Figueroa: Um, that's where I start my journey here in New Zealand.
• 30:19
  Ale Figueroa: She start to offer the workshops and I start to help her to organize workshops.
• 30:25
  Ale Figueroa: And then we did a retreat, which was great.
• 30:28
  Ale Figueroa: And then she developed a training as well, an online training.
• 30:33
  Ale Figueroa: And that I take me like, yeah, a couple of years to do as well.
• 30:38
  Ale Figueroa: And yeah, she's also offering more trainings now.
• 30:43
  Ale Figueroa: Um.
• 30:44
  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
• 30:45
  Ale Figueroa: And then well, I meet you.
• 30:47
  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
• 30:47
  Ale Figueroa: 2019 and.
• 30:51
  Ale Figueroa: Um, from there, well, Joan Garriga as well.
• 30:54
  Ale Figueroa: I, I meet Joan Garriga in, in my city.
• 30:57
  Ale Figueroa: She, he's been in Kuman and it was like, uh, well these kind of things aligned that I, I managed to, to be in Argentina the same time he was there.
• 31:09
  Ale Figueroa: So was a beautiful experience.
• 31:11
  Ale Figueroa: He offer like a kind of seminar, I think it was, yeah, two or three days.
• 31:18
  Ale Figueroa: Beautiful with Yeah.
• 31:21
  Ale Figueroa: Kind of sessions, but also developing different topics.
• 31:26
  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
• 31:26
  Ale Figueroa: It was very, very beautiful work with him there.
• 31:30
  Ale Figueroa: Stronger Riga.
• 31:32
  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
• 31:32
  Ale Figueroa: I'm from there.
• 31:33
  Ale Figueroa: I, you know, open to, to meet everyone who is in, in this beauty work.
• 31:44
  Tracy Cartwright: There are so many.
• 31:46
  Tracy Cartwright: Because it's been around for a long time in some parts of the world.
• 31:52
  Tracy Cartwright: It's just quite new.
• 31:54
  Tracy Cartwright: It feels quite women in other parts of the world.
• 31:56
  Tracy Cartwright: It's been there for a long time, but I think it's really awakening the, uh, um, you know, the, the rememberings of the indigenous mindset as well.
• 32:06
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 32:07
  Tracy Cartwright: And thats for all of us, you know, not just, um, I mean, I have a multicultural, very mixed.
• 32:15
  Tracy Cartwright: Background in my, within my, um, deadlines, but, and I, even with my colleagues, you know, it really does stir up the rememberings within us of our ancient waves.
• 32:30
  Tracy Cartwright: That's how I put it anyway, because it's, it's so different from the modern world's, uh, conceptual thinking.
• 32:39
  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
• 32:39
  Ale Figueroa: No, and I am very glad to, very happy to see how, how this work keep expanding in, in good, in a good way.
• 32:48
  Ale Figueroa: No, in Argentina, uh, of course it is like bigger, but also it's because the population is bigger too.
• 32:57
  Ale Figueroa: When you are in a seminar with.
• 33:01
  Ale Figueroa: Bridge sheet.
• 33:02
  Ale Figueroa: The sheet is going to Argentina, like every year in a, um, yeah, she's visiting there, or Riga?
• 33:09
  Ale Figueroa: Um, they, they are both from Spain, but the seminars are between like 200, 300 people.
• 33:17
  Ale Figueroa: Um,
• 33:18
  Tracy Cartwright: yeah.
• 33:18
  Ale Figueroa: That's huge.
• 33:20
  Ale Figueroa: Um, yeah.
• 33:22
  Ale Figueroa: And here it's, it's great also in New Zealand, the, the movement, how, how we start to meet each other and sharing, um, um, yeah, being together.
• 33:34
  Ale Figueroa: Um, yeah.
• 33:35
  Ale Figueroa: It becomes for me like a yeah.
• 33:37
  Ale Figueroa: Kind of passion, uh, to, to share that.
• 33:42
  Ale Figueroa: And I say, oh my God.
• 33:43
  Ale Figueroa: How different would be the war if everyone came just.
• 33:47
  Ale Figueroa: One time, one constellation.
• 33:50
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, absolutely.
• 33:52
  Tracy Cartwright: Absolutely.
• 33:53
  Tracy Cartwright: I had, I had the privilege recently of working with, um, some inmates and the, the shifts for them and the things that they were able to, um, even just some of them were saying, I can breathe easier.
• 34:12
  Tracy Cartwright: I feel like, I feel like I'm, someone's got my back and.
• 34:16
  Tracy Cartwright: I haven't felt that before.
• 34:18
  Tracy Cartwright: You know, like it feels like someone's standing behind me and supporting me.
• 34:22
  Tracy Cartwright: So yeah, it was, it was incredible.
• 34:25
  Tracy Cartwright: And I, you're right, if everybody got to do one constellation, at least that would be massive shifts.
• 34:32
  Tracy Cartwright: Women in the world.
• 34:35
  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
• 34:35
  Ale Figueroa: No, every and every constellation is also experience.
• 34:40
  Ale Figueroa: Um.
• 34:42
  Ale Figueroa: I can't remember, but I did like many, many constellations.
• 34:46
  Ale Figueroa: I mean, I went to explore different issues.
• 34:50
  Ale Figueroa: Um, every time it's a different experience.
• 34:54
  Ale Figueroa: Very, very different.
• 34:57
  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
• 34:57
  Ale Figueroa: And then you start to, to feel the, the shift.
• 35:01
  Ale Figueroa: Um, always say like, it's the kind of the, you have the dominoes, the, the game.
• 35:09
  Tracy Cartwright: Domino and it's,
• 35:10
  Ale Figueroa: yeah.
• 35:10
  Ale Figueroa: And you start just to move piece by piece.
• 35:13
  Ale Figueroa: And that's, that's how, well I feel like every constellation is like moving one piece.
• 35:22
  Ale Figueroa: Um, yeah.
• 35:23
  Ale Figueroa: It's very, very different experience, different issues.
• 35:29
  Ale Figueroa: Um, yeah.
• 35:31
  Tracy Cartwright: Do you, this question's just popped in.
• 35:33
  Tracy Cartwright: So I know that you also teach yoga.
• 35:36
  Tracy Cartwright: Do you ever throw in any con, constellation, uh, queries or questions when someone, when they're doing yoga with you, like, breathe in, feel your parents behind you, or something like that?
• 35:50
  Tracy Cartwright: Have you ever done that?
• 35:51
  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
• 35:52
  Ale Figueroa: Well, I mean, uh, when I, I remember when I start to teach yoga, um, yeah, I was.
• 36:00
  Ale Figueroa: Petrified because it's about pressure and talking and facing the, the fear to, to speak in public, and especially in my second language, which was I was very struggling.
• 36:14
  Ale Figueroa: Well, sometimes I am, but.
• 36:17
  Ale Figueroa: I, yeah, I think that's, uh, this kind of feeling that make me feel, um, so peace, um, feeling like my, my ancestors behind.
• 36:27
  Ale Figueroa: And even at work, uh, sometimes I felt like this fear of exposure.
• 36:34
  Ale Figueroa: Um, I had to do a, a speech just this week and I felt, I don't want to be nervous.
• 36:40
  Ale Figueroa: I don't want to ne be nervous.
• 36:42
  Ale Figueroa: And I start to imagine that.
• 36:44
  Ale Figueroa: Mm. Oh my God.
• 36:46
  Ale Figueroa: How, how amazing it and how, how does it, how helpful.
• 36:51
  Ale Figueroa: It's, um, yeah, it's, everything changed.
• 36:56
  Ale Figueroa: Yeah.
• 36:56
  Ale Figueroa: It's very, very different.
• 36:58
  Tracy Cartwright: Beautiful.
• 37:00
  Tracy Cartwright: Beautiful.
• 37:01
  Tracy Cartwright: If someone wanted to get a hold of you, Allie, how would they find you if they wanted to book in for a workshop or a one-on-one with you?
• 37:08
  Ale Figueroa: Yes.
• 37:09
  Ale Figueroa: Well, I am in the process to develop my website.
• 37:11
  Ale Figueroa: Um, just I have a Facebook page and Instagram that using for my yoga classes and sometimes I use for family constellations.
• 37:22
  Ale Figueroa: But yeah, I am in the process to develop shining store, which will be my
• 37:27
  Tracy Cartwright: shining
• 37:28
  Ale Figueroa: soul.
• 37:30
  Tracy Cartwright: Shining soul.
• 37:31
  Ale Figueroa: Yeah, that's right.
• 37:34
  Ale Figueroa: Um, yeah, that's, I mean.
• 37:36
  Ale Figueroa: I am just, they are teaching yoga, offering family constellations.
• 37:40
  Ale Figueroa: Um, well access bars, that's another modality that I am doing.
• 37:46
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, great.
• 37:46
  Tracy Cartwright: That's so good.
• 37:49
  Tracy Cartwright: Is so good for you.
• 37:50
  Tracy Cartwright: Uh, wonderful.
• 37:52
  Tracy Cartwright: Well thank you so much for, um, for joining me today.
• 37:56
  Tracy Cartwright: I think we'll, we'll leave it there and yeah, if anyone wants to reach out to Ellie, if you're done in the Wellington region, um.
• 38:05
  Tracy Cartwright: Please reach out and yeah, beautiful soul who will hold you gently and yeah, take you on a journey.
• 38:14
  Tracy Cartwright: Thank
• 38:15
  Ale Figueroa: you.
• 38:15
  Ale Figueroa: Thank, thank you so much Tracy.
• 38:17
  Ale Figueroa: And thank you so much for inviting me to to share this experience Wonderful podcast that you are doing.
• 38:24
  Ale Figueroa: Thank you.
• 38:25
  Ale Figueroa: You're
• 38:25
  Tracy Cartwright: welcome.
• 38:25
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• 38:25
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• 38:26
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• 38:28
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