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Peptides, Performance, and the Future of Longevity with Jason Pencek, NP, D · Ageless and Timeless Podcast®

• 0:11
  Speaker 1: Good morning everyone. This is Michelle Hughes from Ageless and Timeless.
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: I'm just back from the American Academy of Anti Aging conference,
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: which was absolutely amazing. There was a million square feet
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: of exhibit space, a thousand exhibitors, and I think almost
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: ten thousand attendees, both mostly medical practitioners, but even people
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: like me from the media were there. So my guests
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: today I actually met at a conference last September. I
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: think it was in Chicago. His name is doctor Jason
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: penn Sek. I've been calling him Pencheck, so he just
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: corrected me. But anyway, good morning Jason. I'm so happy
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: to have you with us today. You today, Michelle, I'm
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: just doing great thanks to you. I'm using a lot
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: of the products that I get from you, so we'll
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: talk about that during the show today.
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  Speaker 2: But awesome.
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: But you were at a four a M two right,
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: it was.
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  Speaker 3: I was the biggest This was the biggest year of
• 1:15
  Speaker 3: the conference. Remember we have to think that I've been
• 1:18
  Speaker 3: going from nine years to a four MS and aging conferences,
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  Speaker 3: and this year in the main lecture hall was the
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  Speaker 3: first time I've had standing room only. I could not
• 1:27
  Speaker 3: sit down when I if I came late. Let me
• 1:30
  Speaker 3: tell you, I think the big pushes peptide medicine. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I know we're talked about that today. But the reason
• 1:36
  Speaker 3: why everyone is so so gung ho about you know,
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  Speaker 3: doing this, you know, being a form, is because again,
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  Speaker 3: peptides have really just pushed that that level to the
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  Speaker 3: next thing. You know, we first got GLP ones came out,
• 1:48
  Speaker 3: everyone was like GLP one's I often injected myself with
• 1:50
  Speaker 3: one thing. I guess I can inject myself with a
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  Speaker 3: few other things. So I think that's kind of where
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  Speaker 3: the stigma peptides has gone from. I mean, I've been
• 1:58
  Speaker 3: doing there for seven years and it's gone from the
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  Speaker 3: very taboo situation too. Oh my gosh, you know, what
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  Speaker 3: is the peptide?
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  Speaker 2: Why are we using it?
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  Speaker 3: And then what else can we use to improve our health?
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  Speaker 3: So this was the biggest conference I have ever seen
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  Speaker 3: anti medicine. Have you been going for years as well?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I actually living longer than you. I've met Goldman
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  Speaker 1: and doctor Klattz, yeah, I think twenty years ago, and
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  Speaker 1: Jim stocks and doctor Stockson from Chicago Team Doctors. Do
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: you know them? The Team Doctors? Don't there's somebody that
• 2:31
  Speaker 1: you should get to know James. I think he's going
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: to be retiring soon. He's very young, but he's still
• 2:37
  Speaker 1: you know, works so hard his whole life. I think
• 2:39
  Speaker 1: he's ready. His father was a chiropractor, and he's a chiropractor,
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: and he takes care of a lot of celebrities. He
• 2:46
  Speaker 1: goes over to a lot of the music conferences, it
• 2:48
  Speaker 1: goes backstage. His big one was the Wiggles. Do you
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: remember the Wiggles?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I did.
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  Speaker 1: Anthony. Anthony had a lot of issues and James helped
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  Speaker 1: him a lot. So I probably saved his life because
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  Speaker 1: he could have gotten into addictive stuff. But anyway, James
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  Speaker 1: was good. Is Bob Goldman's chiropractor. So through that connection,
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  Speaker 1: and I only met James just serendipitously, like I met
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  Speaker 1: you at the conference, and then we became best at
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  Speaker 1: Buddies and and so then I started going. But I
• 3:23
  Speaker 1: took off about I think ten years in between the
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  Speaker 1: twenty years, because I was living in Hawaii or living
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  Speaker 1: in Aspen, and you know.
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  Speaker 2: That sounds really amazing.
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: Real estate development was taking all consuming and so but
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  Speaker 1: then I came back, like in the last five years,
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  Speaker 1: I've gone again. And as you know my podcast. I
• 3:45
  Speaker 1: don't know if you know, but it's seven years old.
• 3:47
  Speaker 1: So ever since I became a media person, I again thought, well,
• 3:53
  Speaker 1: I've got to go to a form that's like the
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  Speaker 1: granddaddy of the longevity educational conferences. So I agree with
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  Speaker 1: you that the big hot topic everywhere you go is peptized.
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  Speaker 1: I mean there were a lot of other exhibitors, but.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, but even people in yeah, whatever drew I think
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  Speaker 3: whatever Drew in though was right even watching to go
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  Speaker 3: to the Peptide World Conference from Seeds Doctor Seeds, and
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  Speaker 3: I would say just year over year, everything has gotten
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  Speaker 3: bigger and bigger, and I think people coming to a
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  Speaker 3: form of this year I thought there'd be more peptized.
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  Speaker 2: I think people that showed up with affecting more.
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  Speaker 3: Peptide lectures don't get as much as I think they
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  Speaker 3: thought it they would. But the intention was I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I think we know being on there for as long
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  Speaker 3: as you know, for longer than me. But even in
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  Speaker 3: the last five years, that main lecture hall was you know,
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  Speaker 3: very empty compared to recently where it was completely massive,
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  Speaker 3: and it's just gotten bigger and bigger and bigger. And
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  Speaker 3: then this year again was you know, you walk in
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  Speaker 3: the room, you're like, where have you been? Who been
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  Speaker 3: the last five ten years? No one's been here? Oh,
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  Speaker 3: your peptides exist? Okay, now everyone's here.
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  Speaker 1: Well. And also they said I heard it was like
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  Speaker 1: nine thousand plus people.
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  Speaker 2: There, so yeah, they sold out totally.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're going to have to have bigger, a
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  Speaker 1: bigger conference location next next year if it's keeps up,
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  Speaker 1: because yeah, Sandy Ramoni is not going to work. You know,
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  Speaker 1: people want to sit down and listen to a lecture
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  Speaker 1: and take notes and so forth. So yeah, But and
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  Speaker 1: the exhibitors have gotten better too. They're much more incredible
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  Speaker 1: they were in the past. Have been some maybe questionable ones,
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  Speaker 1: but this year, I mean, honestly, everybody was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just taken away by the quality.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't tell you. I mean it's just so
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  Speaker 3: impressed with exhibitors from year to year. I mean, there
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  Speaker 3: are some things that I thought were a little more
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  Speaker 3: you know, little maybe not real compared to other years
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  Speaker 3: I've spent many Obviously, you've gone this for years and
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  Speaker 3: you have seen that some of these you know, people
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  Speaker 3: coming there. There's some more legit different products and some
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  Speaker 3: less legitim products and this is the first year we
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  Speaker 3: came in, walked through and said there were some not
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  Speaker 3: legitimate products here. They're just growing everything and hoping something
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  Speaker 3: sticks because they have so many people viewing them. And
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  Speaker 3: this was I want to say twenty five percent bigger
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  Speaker 3: than last year. They had nine hundred exhibitors this year,
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  Speaker 3: which was massive, massive, massive, massive massive.
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  Speaker 1: So and you know, I would say maybe twenty percent
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  Speaker 1: of those nine hundred were people that I knew from
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  Speaker 1: being on my podcast, So it was that's exciting in itself.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it was seven years of interviewing, you know,
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  Speaker 1: over a twelve month period for seven years. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you have a few people on your guest list, so
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  Speaker 1: it's fun to go around and see, you know, those
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  Speaker 1: exhibitors that are part of your own portfolio and to
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  Speaker 1: get updated on what they're doing. So yeah, so well
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about you. So okay, so you and I
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  Speaker 1: met at Biohackers World. Which are you going to.
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  Speaker 3: Go to the one in LA They haven't formally asked
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  Speaker 3: me yet, but they keep asking me to go to
• 7:05
  Speaker 3: everyone I go to, so I'm sure I'll be there.
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  Speaker 2: I believe it's in the April May, it's.
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  Speaker 1: In March I think let's be the last week of
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  Speaker 1: March at I think it's a Hilton in downtown LA.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, so I'm gonna go. They just invited me,
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  Speaker 1: so I'll be there, so we'll see each other. I
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  Speaker 1: of course didn't see you at a four m but
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was.
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  Speaker 3: So big there was no way we'd run. Yeah, shows massive.
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  Speaker 1: I know. I so, okay, So tell us why you
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  Speaker 1: are who you are? What what is it that motivated
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  Speaker 1: you to be Basically you're like you are, like a chiropractor,
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  Speaker 1: a nurse, practitioner, chiropractor, Just you know, give us a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of the journey that got you here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, I became a nurse many years ago, fifteen
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  Speaker 3: years ago, and I didn't want I wanted to work
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  Speaker 3: at pay is Warm.
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  Speaker 2: I needed more patient care. I needed to.
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  Speaker 3: I needed to have a little more control of care,
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  Speaker 3: and the nurse didn't allow me to do that. So
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  Speaker 3: I ended up deciding I'm going to go back to
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  Speaker 3: chiropractical school. I didn't know what chiropractice had done, had
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  Speaker 3: never met one of my life, didn't know what happened
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  Speaker 3: other than I knew they worked with their hands. Kiro
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  Speaker 3: was working with your hands chiropractic, so handwork, and I
• 8:21
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, that's cool, I can use my hands
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  Speaker 3: and true to everyone. And quickly I realized that's not
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  Speaker 3: going to work. I can't do all the stuff I
• 8:28
  Speaker 3: wanted to do. I went to my first IV seminar
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  Speaker 3: while I was in chiropractic school with a girl I
• 8:32
  Speaker 3: was dating. She said, you got to go to the seminar.
• 8:34
  Speaker 3: You got to learn IVS. And I went to IV
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  Speaker 3: seminar after IV sem and I said, okay, I can't
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  Speaker 3: do this.
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  Speaker 2: How do I get access?
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  Speaker 3: So what ended up happening was I started nursing practitioner
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  Speaker 3: school while I was my last year of chiropractic and
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  Speaker 3: then I graduated chiropractic school and really haven't practiced chiropractic
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  Speaker 3: physical medicine in my entire life. What happens I got
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  Speaker 3: out and I immediately went into doing nurse petitioners.
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  Speaker 2: So I was doing IVS. I first started.
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  Speaker 3: I was doing hormones, a lot of injections of injection therapies.
• 9:03
  Speaker 3: At about three years into practice, I heard about these peptides.
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  Speaker 3: I was friends with a couple of guys in a
• 9:10
  Speaker 3: group chat with a couple of guys and They had
• 9:11
  Speaker 3: joked with me, you've been in school for years. When
• 9:13
  Speaker 3: do we get the steroids? When do we get when
• 9:15
  Speaker 3: do you get the growth from one? Come on, we
• 9:16
  Speaker 3: want to get big, We want to grow. And it
• 9:19
  Speaker 3: was like it was a big joke with my guys.
• 9:20
  Speaker 3: So I said to them, you know, here's the thing.
• 9:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know this in medicine.
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  Speaker 2: Really. Look.
• 9:26
  Speaker 3: I started looking up growth from mom and the first
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  Speaker 3: thing that found on growth from the first Google search
• 9:31
  Speaker 3: was growthromrom peptides. And I was like, what are these peptides?
• 9:34
  Speaker 3: And never heard of this stuff. Don't know what this is.
• 9:36
  Speaker 3: This is Brandon medicine to me. So I clicked on
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  Speaker 3: the link. My best friend opens up iv clinics, or
• 9:42
  Speaker 3: I used to open up IVY clinics. She had an
• 9:43
  Speaker 3: IVY clinic in New York. She goes, oh, I've heard
• 9:45
  Speaker 3: of these girl friend peptides. This clinic in New York
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  Speaker 3: uses them. Let me see if she knows anything. So
• 9:49
  Speaker 3: she asked this clinic in New York and they sent
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  Speaker 3: On all the peptides, diamonds, and now of one there
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  Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, this is interesting. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: how this works, how well it works, let me go
• 11:05
  Speaker 3: learn so right at this time was when the first
• 11:08
  Speaker 3: conferences in the United States really started, with doctor Seeds
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  Speaker 3: and James Levell with the first two trainers for a
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  Speaker 3: for M. I attended one of the first lectures they had,
• 11:18
  Speaker 3: and then doctor Seeds started his own company and was
• 11:22
  Speaker 3: doing SSRP, which was Seed Scientific Research Peptides and peptides,
• 11:29
  Speaker 3: and I started going to see him. I did his
• 11:30
  Speaker 3: second master and I never went to see him and
• 11:33
  Speaker 3: fell in love. I started using peptides. I just couldn't
• 11:36
  Speaker 3: look back. I got into this medicine and so peptides
• 11:38
  Speaker 3: had become a major prime practice over the last seven years.
• 11:42
  Speaker 3: So the last seven years I've been using peptides, and
• 11:45
  Speaker 3: I will say over the last seven years, there haven't
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: been a lob change. And it's not like all of
• 11:50
  Speaker 3: a sudden, you know, BPC when five to seven came
• 11:53
  Speaker 3: to the market.
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: It's been out for twenty plus years.
• 11:56
  Speaker 3: It's just that right now we have more people interested
• 11:59
  Speaker 3: because now we have GLP once. So what happened was
• 12:02
  Speaker 3: GLP one started in the last seven years, GLP onees
• 12:04
  Speaker 3: became big, right, we had some magnetide or zempic and
• 12:06
  Speaker 3: then we had there' zeppatite in Marnjarro. And when I
• 12:09
  Speaker 3: first started the very first seven I went to with
• 12:11
  Speaker 3: doctor Seeds. He said you should look at golp ones.
• 12:14
  Speaker 3: This is the future of metaabolic disease. And it was
• 12:16
  Speaker 3: lyric glue tide or true listening they talked about because
• 12:19
  Speaker 3: we didn't have somemagnetide it wasn't out yet. It was
• 12:22
  Speaker 3: on the forefront, but no one really knew how it
• 12:24
  Speaker 3: was going to work. So I started using lyric glue
• 12:26
  Speaker 3: tide in practice, which was twice a week and more
• 12:28
  Speaker 3: expensive and you don't have weight loss, so people weren't
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: exactly excited.
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: And then you know, now we have all.
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: These new glp ones, and I think what has occurred
• 12:37
  Speaker 3: is the gop ones have opened the doors to all
• 12:40
  Speaker 3: the peptides existed before. I mean, I've been using again
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: peptides for seven years now. Every influencer, any person out there,
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  Speaker 3: they own a lab, they have a compounding pharmacy. I'm
• 12:48
  Speaker 3: selling peptides. It's like everywhere I look, there's peptides everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, I bathed in them at this point, and
• 12:55
  Speaker 3: when I first started, it doesn't exist. So I've been
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  Speaker 3: doing this for years. About four years ago and I
• 13:00
  Speaker 3: decided that I just start making some educational videos. I
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: want people to understand how this medicine worked. You know,
• 13:05
  Speaker 3: what peptides were, why we use them, how we use them.
• 13:08
  Speaker 3: So four years ago, I started posting a real a
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  Speaker 3: day on Instagram and I just continued that single reel
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  Speaker 3: a day every day for the last four years.
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  Speaker 2: March will be four years that I've done this.
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  Speaker 3: So every day I post some kind of education content,
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  Speaker 3: and peptides are part of it. I talk about hormones
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  Speaker 3: and ivs and things I do in practice and all
• 13:26
  Speaker 3: this stuff longevity. So I've just gotten this like longevity
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  Speaker 3: educational space, and now of course I've become kind of
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: an authority of someone's level. Hey, this is why used
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  Speaker 3: in practice. I've been using this for seven, eight, nine,
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  Speaker 3: ten years. These are the results I see, These are
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: the studies to back everything up. And so at this
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: point now when people come to me and ask to train,
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: I do a lot of trainings.
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: Now I teach outside the country for a company called ISKA.
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: I also speak and lecture at events, and I've just
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: kind of gotten more opportunities from, you know, being again
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  Speaker 3: kind of the person in the room who's been doing
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  Speaker 3: this for a long time with a lot of education
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  Speaker 3: to back this up. So I've been doing seminars on peptides,
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  Speaker 3: going to them for seven years, and I have done
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  Speaker 3: so many.
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  Speaker 2: I keep going to seminars.
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  Speaker 3: I'm about to get another one and do another certification
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  Speaker 3: because I just think that the more knowledge I have
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: in this space, you know, the better off I am
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  Speaker 3: at presenting this.
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  Speaker 2: And the bigger thing is I want to be a
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  Speaker 2: good practitioner.
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  Speaker 3: I use a lot of this stuff in practice, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, Michelle, we work together here, and I would say,
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  Speaker 3: what makes me so unique is that I've done this
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  Speaker 3: for so long.
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  Speaker 2: I've got so much research to back me up.
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  Speaker 3: I know when to use stuff, not to use stuff,
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  Speaker 3: What should we use here, what should we not use here?
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  Speaker 2: When should we change things? When should we not?
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  Speaker 3: Which gives me the advantage to kind of give this
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  Speaker 3: more put together protocol for patients.
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  Speaker 2: So there are a lot of.
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  Speaker 3: Practitioners who've gotten to peptides now, and there are a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people who are good at this now. But
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  Speaker 3: I think what's lacking is education right now that there
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  Speaker 3: are so many people out there selling peptides online. In fact,
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  Speaker 3: I was sitting next to a girl in Miami a
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: few weeks ago, and she's sitting there and I heard
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: her mention, you know, right, a true tide, the newest GLP,
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  Speaker 3: one that's not available technically in the US and not
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: through studies, And she said, oh, I sell this on.
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: I asked her, I can write a true how are
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: you taking that. She goes, oh, I sell it online.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, you're like a twenty six year old,
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: you know, Klate's girl.
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  Speaker 2: What are you doing selling peptide?
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: And she goes, oh, I have a side business. I
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: sell peptides. And I said, oh okay. And you know,
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: she has like one hundred and thirty thousand followers on instant,
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: on TikTok or something. And she said, you want to
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: do a collab doing to collaborate with me? And I
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: said sure, like why not? But you know what of course,
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: and then she tried to charge me. I said, but
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: you sell peptides. Why are you I'm the authority on
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  Speaker 3: peptides and you're charging me to work with you. I
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: just I just started laughing. I was like, this is
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  Speaker 3: not good business for you. I was willing to work
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: with you.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: But anyway, Well, what you're saying about this whole frenetic
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: world of peptides, it scares me because when things like
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: that get like that, that's when they preferably you know
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: what hits the fan. Yeah, it's going to be controls.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: It's going to be and there are you and I
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: both know there are already is you know, there have been.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: The FDA has banned some of these and will continue
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: to look for ways to help the pharmaceutical industry. I'm
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: afraid to say so, but mostly it reminds me of
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: two thousand and eight and the and the you know,
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: the failure of the economic tsunami, when everybody was getting loans. Well,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: now everybody's selling peptider and people are buying them without
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: really knowing the efficacy. So talk to us about how
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: to know where to go other than you know obviously
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: to you, but how do you know where to go
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: to make sure that these peptides are efficacious?
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Well, there's a few things we get our
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: peptides compounded from compounding pharmacy. So I always tell patients,
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: as much as you possibly can compound your peptides in
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: the United States, please get compounded peptides. Check with the provider,
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: check to see where they come from. I know some
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: partitions are using labs, and again I would say it's
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: because we talk about this education. Right As a provider,
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: if I have almost no education in pap tides, but
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: I want to bring my practice, and I've seen a
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: bunch of stories and I've read maybe some you know,
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: chatchee patas from Reddit posts or maybe I've seen some
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: stuff now I need to find a place to get them.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: A lot of providers are being reached out to by
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: these lab companies, and labs are saying, hey, we only
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: sell the providers. Well that's great, but legally I'm not
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: supposed to sell from a lab. Anything that comes from
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: a lab company is not allowed for it providers to sell.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: There's also the fact that you amount practice insurance won't
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: cover you. So if you're a practitioner and you're a
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: song from a lab, you're not practice doesn't cover if
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: something goes wrong with that patient. Now, peptids are very safe,
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: so I'm not worried about that overall, but I am
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: worried about the legality of losing my license if I'm
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: using labs for everything. Now, again, there is some gray
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: area here. There's a company called Niagen that's a lab
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: they're not making not making in Nicky my bribaside as
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: an actual pharmacy product, and doctors are using it but
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: there's no other options. So, like I'm there is this
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: kind of gray Your exosomes too, like they're from labs,
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: they're technically biologics, like there is a great area.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: But when it comes to getting most of your peptides, I.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: Would definitely say that you want to buy your peptides
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: from compounding pharmacies whenever humanly possible, because that is going
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: to be the safest bet. They check for LPs, which
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: is the probaly sacriice inenotoxins. They check to make sure
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: those don't heavy metals. They make to sure that the
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: potency is correct. Also, if you have a question, you
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: can call the pharmacy and say, hey, I don't know
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: this dosage or I don't know about this peptic. Can
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: you tell me you have an authority? The labs cannot
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: give you any information. I legally cannot tell you how
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: to dose.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: They can't.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: And they do tell you, they could be in legal trouble.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: They could actually go to jail for that. Guests practicing
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: medicine that a license. So I do warrant practitioners. Please
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: buy some comrade pharmacies. Now there is a way there
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: are Again, I can't say every lab is bad.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Right, here's the thing.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: You can't say every single lab in the world is bad,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: because there are labs producing these products to send the pharmacies,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: and some of these labs send the pharmacies and also
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: ship to patients. They do have some of these labs
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: kind of like play both sides. So then the question
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: is which ones are good and that one I don't
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: have a good answer for. You can ask for testing.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: You can actually ask for HPLC testing. You can ask
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: for documentation. The thing is Photoshop works really well, so
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: there's absolutely no guarantee to know your product is of
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: course what it sets it is, and especially if you're
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: a lay person and you don't you know how to
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: read this. A lot of biohackers, right, they understand this stuff.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: They've done it. Some of these biohackers I know. There's
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: some groups I know that are on Facebook and they
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: go together as a co op and bipep tides from
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: China directly. Hey, this is the lab. They bible stuff.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: They as a group pay for the testing. They do
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: all the stuff that a pharmacy would do, so they
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: incur that cost. But there's you know, five hfferred people buying,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: so they get all the stuff and they get really
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: cheap product. It's good products. But for the most people
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: out there, they don't have this. So finding not a
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: provider that knows how to work with this stuff. Gain
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: you owe U an end dosages. Going on Reddit or
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: going on Instagram and hoping that your favorite influencer is
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: telling you what to do isn't great, right. Also, if
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: you have an adverse reaction, what do you do?
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Right? Michell? You text me and I'm like, hey, this
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: is going on?
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: What do I do?
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Gret?
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: You have some one to talk to great influence and
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: buying offense influence that guyno respond back to you.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: They don't care what's going to happen.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: It might be a normal reaction like it ID makes
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: you feel shorter breath, But if you didn't know that
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: and took it, you might be like, what just happened
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: to me?
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: I can't use the product? Something's really dangerous? Is scary?
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: So yeah, you know what you're saying. Sorry, Jason, but
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: what you say. You know, these are amino acids. They're
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: not dangerous. However, and the wrong and the wrong dose
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: it with the wrong person, they can be very dangerous
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: because people can you know, they're not their own they
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be their own doctor. So I think what you're saying,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: well not, I think I know what you're saying is
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: the first order of business is to have a provider.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: If you're a consumer, if you're the provider, like you are,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: then you have to do your homework to make sure
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: that education you're yeah that you're dealing with. So so
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: they let the compounding pharmacies that you deal with are
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: the same ones today that they were when you first began.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Now they've changed. You know, we had.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Believe it's twenty twenty three. Now they had the ban
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: on peptides. So big band came out they did. It
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: was called a category two band. They pulled a bunch
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: of peptides, so bpc whe five seven was pulled, diamosi
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: data four worth pulled, ghkcu.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: They pulled a bunch of these peptides.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: And before that, even before they happened, I first got
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: to peptides when I first started them. So we kind
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: of go back, right, peptides or a bunch of meno
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: acids put together, as you said, into building blocks. And
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: so these are just small proteins, as I would tell someone,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: so you know what a protein is, It's just a
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: smaller form of protein. They're cell to sell signaling molecules.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: And what I want people to understand is that they
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: are very very very safe, but again wrong, DOSA is
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: not right. Well, what they were trying to do is
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: someone lobbied the FDA and said, hey, if this amino
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: acid chain is over forty amino acids, it's considered a biolog. Now,
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: a biologic means that should be compounded only at a
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: biologic lab. Now there's no computing pharmacy that exists that
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: has a biological lab license. So if it's over forty
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: minio acids, they said, you can't make it. That included
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: things like testamarillen IGF one l R three hCG, which
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: people have used for fertility for years. So all these
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: things were put on the band list. And that is
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: because I believe someone went to the farm in the
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: FDA and said, hey, this forty an elastic, if you
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: just drop it down, our product would be safe. They'll
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: nevi get it into compuning pharmacy. We're totally safe. No
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: one can touch as biologic. So there was some financial
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: interests because the fdaight there was no reason to arbitrarily
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: go from I think it was sixty five or seventy
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: before this to go to forty arbitrarily changed for no
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: reason other than financial gain from actual pharmacchical industry. They
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: saw more access means we lose products. I personally think
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: testamarillin became a generic I believe in twenty twenty, and
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: when that patent was about to expire. I think their
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: way to save themselves from losing even more revenue was
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: to drop this. And them could have been anything, but
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: someone went lobbied and said forty minionlesses. The first thing
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: that happened is forty minionles and dropped. We lost cestomer
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: on HGG. I just want of some pharmacies. We're still
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: making these things. When the category two ban went to place,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: they took out a lot more and then pharmacies really
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: got worried, so a lot of pharmacies dropped. Every single
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: product was on the category two band list. This is
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: the category two list is the things that compounding pharmacies
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: can compound, that they can make so even if they're
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: not FDA proved. Bpc on five seven has never been
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: FDA proved, but was used you know, to treat injuries
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: or repair at least to help with injuries and not treat.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: And all of a sudden you couldn't get access to it.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: So a lot of my pharmacies dropped this stuff, so
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: I had defined new sources, and so we.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Have changed over the years. I have one.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Single pharmacy they've stayed with the entire time. They used
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: to do some of the things that I make. Most
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: myself had to switch over to pharmacies that again do
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: allow me to access some of the peptides that don't exist.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: And they don't have everything. They just have a few
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: more things I might find somewhere else. So I can't
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: say this is like the one all and there are
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: other pharmacies doing this. I expect in twenty twenty six
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: for this band to be lifted and for them to
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: bring back a lot of peptides. They had brought back
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: some already off this list. But I think RFK is pushing.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: He's actually, you know, working with I'm sure working with
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: pharmacies now, I'm sure.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he's getting peptides.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: I'm positive the guy takes medaling blue dropping the cup,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: so you know he's doing this ALTERI stuff already, right,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: So he is probably pushing in the background to work
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: at shutting down the labs, which is one thing, and
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: then also bring down compounding pharmacies to bring everything back
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: because again part of the reason is when people go
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: to labs is hey, my pharmacy, my practitioner says, hey,
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: I can't get to that VPC anymore, and they love it.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: They're going to be they have no option. I'm going
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: to go to this compounding, to this lab online and
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: buy it. So you want to bring safety back, bring
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: back compounding pharmacies to make the stuff, and then take
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: away the labs and do both at the same time,
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: because without having the compounit, pharmacies make it. Now the
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: compounding pharmacies are illegally making it so they can get
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: shut down, and the labs are not making it great.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: If they get shut down, they're gone. Now people have
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: no access. So I'm very much hoping twenty twenty six
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: changes the peptide.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: You know view and I do. We do know. There
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: has been some.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Information from the DOJ that is said, we're working at
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: shutting down these labs in twenty twenty six. Whether or
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: not it happens, who knows, but they are I think
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: working towards shutting the labs down and making providers. Now again,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: the next thing is how do we get providers traded
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: because again you and I know.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: This is the buzz.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: We keep talk about this, This is this is what
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: every person wants. They want to find peptides, they want
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: to get on everything. I get asked all the time
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: about peptides now and again, I know them in the industry,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: but even you know, people I know that I'm friends with, like,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: oh my god, you know these peptides are pretty great.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I have a group chat with my guy friends.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: There was a start in the last three weeks a
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: peptide group chat. It didn't exist up till three weeks.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: So and now my friends are like, wait, these peptides.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: We keep seeing them, Jason, can you answer questions of peptides?
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah, I do this all day every day,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: like sure. So even my friends who are not in
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: this industry are not coming to me and saying, hey,
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: we want peptides, and it's just because again when I
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: realize that my own friends are coming to me and saying,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: we know you do this, but now we really know,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: and they're asking each other.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: The last thing is in this group chat, oh did
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: you hear this?
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: And the guy says, yeah, I checked this and found
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: this link and says you should can do this, and this.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Jason doesn't do this, and I'm like, why are you
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: not asking me? Like, why are you guys going on
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Instagram and sending me to videos? And I know when
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: my own friend group has come to me, we're all
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: wanting to be at peptides and we're looking at this
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: or find it on the internet. I now know the
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: doors are wide open, and so pretty soon it won't
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: just be here, Michelle.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: We're talking worldwide, right.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: I think the United States is always the forefront, and
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: it comes to medicine, you know, we have the newest
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: and best music, right, it comes here and then it
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: goes around the world. And I'm seeing peptides becoming this
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: worldwide global phenomenon. I mean, I just had to call
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: a Brazilian pharmacy this morning about peptides and they're on
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: the phone with me saying, well, actually, we have a
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: lab in China that we work with that actually produces peptides.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: It sells to you know, only not only US, but
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: the United States pharmacies. You know, they're they're FDA registered
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: and improved and you know, selling to everyone. We actually
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: have a contract with them to sell other peptides in
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: the gray area. Like do you have any interest in
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: kind of educating people on this, And I'm just laughing
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: that here I am and these other countries are like,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: we know this is going to be big.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: We want to get in in our country before.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is going to be a worldwide phenomenon
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: that everyone's going to be taking peptides because we now
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: have realized the drug companies have lied to us, they
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: have blindsided us. They've never treated a single disease. They
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: just give you things to support and fix. I guess
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: I should say, you know, keep the symptoms of getting worse,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: but now we have peptides and actually work and treating, healing,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: preparing and helping us live alonger I mean, I mean
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: I would sit here ask you, Michelle, mean, how do
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: you feel you been doing this for a little while,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: how are you feeling taking the peptides you're on?
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Really well, that was going to be where I was
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: going to go with the question, not only my own
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: personal experience, but just the big why why is it that?
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: And I'll answer your question in a moment, But why
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: is it that something that is an was an unknown
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: generally speaking, you know, except within let's say, the last
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: seven years, has now become the darling of the longevity space.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: It's got to be a reason that people are feeling
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: the results that is making this such a big, you
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: know hit. So what what do you think peptides do
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: for the human aging process that is making it so
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: so much? The number one choice that that people are
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: actually willing to stretch their budgets because it isn't that's
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: another thing.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Cheap.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: The peptides are not cheap that you know. They are
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: a commitment financially. People who because you have to, you know,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: do them every at least three three times a week. Yeah,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: healthy people, but some people are doing them seven days
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: a week. So you know, just try to give us
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: a little guidance on that.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think to start with, I mean, peptides
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: have become ubiquitous with longevity. I think that's just you
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: think peptides and you think longevity. That has just come,
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: you know, hand in hand. And some of the things
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: we talk about in peptide medicine aren't even peptides. For example,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: in a D is a derivative B six, and everyone
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: just throws it in peptides. You know, Glutathian is not
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: a peptide, but everyone's like, oh, glutathion, and I'm like, what,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: It's not really.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: A peptiz so right.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: I think that word peptides just comes to mean you're
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: sta longevity widse.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: It's helped anybody to repair.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: What has happened I see is we've been watching these
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: these bodybuilders for for years. These people who try to
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: work on health Loanngeviy look big and muscular, and they
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: aren't healthy right, they're on stair right to not doing
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: it right. But they did have this kind of idea
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: of hey, we actually were doing something to help improve
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: our health. If we're injured, we have these options. And
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: what has happened over the last you know, seven years,
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: is that first there became more trainings in the United States.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: We didn't have any training. So when there's no training
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: in education in the United States, no one can learn
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: get access, which means no one knows. So even if
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: the pharmacy carry this product, you don't know it exists.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: This a practitioner like what is this surmarillan or this
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: test samarund and around what are these products? And did
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: not even asked, I'm not going to call the pharmacists.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: I see rug on the menu that they have not
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: going to the pharmacy and saying, what is this thing?
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Why should I use it? I might ask, I'm just
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: like I don't know about it? Why would I talk
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: about it? So I think the first step was we
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: needed education. Doctor Seeds and James Level brought that education.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: They started be in the forefront of this education. So
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: we got more education. So the more practitioners were using this.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: So now we have to kind of like the start
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: and effect was people brought it in, they started talking
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: about it, they started to be education on it.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Education became bigger and bigger.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: So even though we had education, the real change was
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: again GLP. Once once Samagataide came out and people learned
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: you could lose fifteen percent of your weight. This is
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: the best weight loss drug that's ever be We been
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: around this long and this is the first rug to
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: make us this weight. Now, I think we've watched over
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: the last thirty years, You've seen people get sicker and sicker.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Obeseity has just climbed over the last thirty years, and
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: we had no way to help people. We had, you know, fntramine,
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: We had the hCG diet, you had Jenny Craig weight watchers.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: You know, when weight watches started adding samagatide as an option,
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: I said, huh interesting. Even you guys see that this
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: is useful, and you're talking died all day, So we
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: finally realized, Wow, there's something out there. They can actually
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: help people this weight. Now again, I feel like we've
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: been poisoned by the food industry for the last thirty years.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: So we've created a problem that the pharma school industry
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: is now helping to fix, and they're doing a good
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: job at it, but we still have all these bad
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: poison foods out there are not healthy for us. And
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: I think you know what happened was people saw that
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: were not as healthy, they don't feel as good, and
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: it's gotten worse. And we finally had a really good
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: option to start getting some of that weight off and
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: fixing the metabolic issues people had. And then people were like, well,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: I'm already injecting this one thing. What else can I
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: put in my body that might help? And people started
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: realizing that there were more and more peptides, So the
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: talk of peptides became as more practitioners got you know,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: learned about them, They started talking about them as they
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: were teaching the patients on this. Some of the patients
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: were like, Oh, these are really cool peptides. I should
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: use this. And I think what drove this the dial
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: right up was gop ones pushed patients into doctor's offices
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: that had other pepties to sell and they use and
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you getting one peptide and now
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: you get another one, and now of a sudden you're
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: an influencer like you know, Hayley Bieber or Kim Kardashian,
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: and now you start talking about this stuff. And when
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: you have a platform that big and they're on a
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: single peptide that their doctor put them on and they
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: talk about it, now you have a platform that access
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: as way more people than just a practitioner. So explosion
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: I think started with gop ones and these snowball effects
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: have gone. I mean, now the crazy thing is I
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: see people that that the fact, you know, bodybuilds. Back
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: in the day where ones injecting stuff didn't know what
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: they're doing, this would eject who cares if it's safe
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: or not if it gets me more muscle mess And
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: now I'm seeing that same thing happening with regular patients.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know this compound you know, doesn't even have
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: much research on it, but I'm gonna take and see
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: what happens. Why not all these other peptides are safe,
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: so they must all be safe. I'm seeing it now
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: almost go fast forward where people are jumping the gun
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: on research like right or true Tide for example, isn't
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: out yet, and people jump in the gun. It's not
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: even out yet, but we're gonna go try this stuff.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: It's pretty good. It works like the other gop ones.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be the best of the best. So people now,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: you know, if you ask people five years ago to
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: take something that wasn't FDA proved the you injecting, people
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: would be like, you're crazy, absolutely not. And now people
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: are like, they're a new peptide out. I'm gonna whatever
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: that is. I'm gonna go take an eject. It was
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: my skin work. Some rats done. Okay, let's go, let's
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: do it. So we have seen this, like, you know,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: pull back from being the conservative medicine. People are now
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: feeling safe to use it because again, so many people
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: are speaking about it that I think everyone just feels
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: it's normal and natural. I think it's really funny because
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: when I first started when I told patients they had
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: to inject this, they know this bpcing and five seventy
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: to inject like I don't, I don't. I don't inject anything.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: I only take oral pills. Right, we're in the pharmaceupal industry.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Modern medicine is pill pill pill. And now when people
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: are coming to me and you know they're not they're
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: not phased anymore.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: You gotta do an injection. Oh yeah, I can do injection,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: no big gil.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Five years ago people are like injections, like what are
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: the other options? I don't feel safe injections. I don't know.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: And now people are injecting things they don't know and
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know about, and their injecting them and they're
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: not bodybuilders. I'm like, you guys are crazy. So I
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: think the longevity world saw healing. You know, they saw longevity.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: We can increase, tell them your lengthy, and we can
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: help with muscle mass, we can help with fat loss,
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: we can help with mood improvement, repair recovery, with skin,
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: hair nails. There are all these different options of things
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: that can work, and so everyone's saying, you know, how
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: do I make my body last longer? And peptides have
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: been a huge part. We've used seltments for years and
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: I'm use selfmance for years. I use supplements for years,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: and I've never seen the movement with selpments that I
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: see with peptides. And not that selpments don't help. I'm
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: not at all bashing selpments. There are times and places
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: to use supplements, but the needle is much it's not
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: moving as fast, and it's not moving as far as
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: a peptide. There is nothing equivalent that I can think of,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: supplement wise to work the way VPC on five seven
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: does well.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: The supplements. We can talk about the oral part of
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: BPC one five seven two because that you know it
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: comes from the gut. And of course you know there
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: are people that inject BBC one five seven for joints
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: and muscles, but they also take the oral which in
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: combination that helps with the microbiome. So, but what I
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: was I'm going to say about your comments is that
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: the micro speaking of the microbiome, I mean getting supplements
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: to get to the mitochondria, to get to where they
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: need to be to make a difference is a much
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: bigger hurdle because most people are toxic and so their
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: microbiome blocks their ability, and their gut issues blocked the ability.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: But with an injection, it's going right into the bloodstream,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: same like with sublingual. In the more recent years, I
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: started doing far more sublingual supplements or even nasal sprays
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: or like licosomal like I used Quicksilver scientific because of
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: the formulation, and doctor Shade definitely recognized a long time
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: ago that licozoma was a much better delivery system. So yeah,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: I think what you're saying is that people didn't get
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: the success with regular capsules or regular or pills because
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: it had to go through the digestive tracks order to
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: get to where it needs to make healings. So so
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: you know, and the other thing is the insulin needle
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: is so tiny that you know, people who were afraid
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: of you know, they were thinking injections like they used
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: to have when they were kids. You know, a doctor
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: with these big long needles. Now they realize it's just
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: a little prick. Yeah, and you're not doing that much.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Every day that you're doing it, it's like, well, you
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: and I know that you know the dose is about
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: ten mL, right if you're doing it, so ten mL
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: on an insulin needle is like, what a quarter.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Of an inch of Yeah, there's nothing there, right, And
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: then I had a patient Yester, you tell me you
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: made me fill the whole serend, I said, you know,
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: why have you done this peptie protocol.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: She goes, well, the surrender had to be a full
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: fifty units. It was a lot.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: I was like, fifty units is still nothing. It's even
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: a full mL, like it's a very and that's a
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: lot of fluid. I'm like, okay, sure, that's why I
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: haven't started to go to half of that.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: It started to.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Get start to do something rather than nothing. You know,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: as long as we're talking about this, there are a
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: lot of oral peptides that have come on the market
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: since this has become the being darling. And by the way,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Jim Leavall was on my podcast about two years ago,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: and so we were talking about this, you know then
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: when I mean, he obviously was one of the primary
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: educators at the American Academy of Anti Aging, so he
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: had so much to say about, you know, the injectable peptidze.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: But now oral have become and and well I guess
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: even the life was almost rex silver. They now have
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: a whole line of peptides. I don't know if saw
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: that epital and is there? So how do you guide
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: your patients? Are the people viewing us today as to
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: which way to go. Let's say, you know, they want
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: to do peptide, but you're a little afraid of needles,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: even though it's not a big deal. But you know,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: so how do you how do you guys in terms
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: of the priority of what.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: To do exactly?
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: So, I mean this is where it comes down to
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: pharmakinetics and efficacy. Had a pharmacy I just talked to
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: yesterday and they said, we're coming out with a new
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: GLP one that's gonna be oral. Yeah, I'm all about Oral.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: I think it's great. I think the bottom line is
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: injectable is always gonna win because we get one hundred
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: percent absorption. Like you said, life was almost great. Don't
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: get me wrong. Licozomo still has an upper limit of absorption.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Oral has an upplement of absorption. I believe there's a
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: company now that's putting out bio strips. I think is
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: their their oral is like Bozomo, and everyone's claiming orals
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: eighty percent effective as opposed to doing you know, injections,
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: So I would rather have the most you know, bang
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: of my buck, which is going to be injection. Injection
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: always works the best unless I'm working on a gut
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: that I do oral. There are handful of peptides like
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Mk six seven seven that's only oral five me to
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: one them. Qu is a smaller molecule can pass through
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: the got really easily. That could be oral. So there
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: are some things that orally actually work when it comes
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: to peptides. The reason we're so against peptides being oral
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: is that we have enzymes in our body to break
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: down these peptide bonds.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: So we.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: Are just these basically are mini proteins, so you ingest it.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: If I is breaking it down right away, we don't
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: want to happen. So we have two things going on.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: One we have enzymes to break these things down. In two,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: like you said, our body is toxic and three were
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: getting older. So as we get older, our gut doesn't
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: work as well. We can't absorb as well as we
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: used to. If you eat the same meal at twenty
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: that you ate it you know sixty, absorption of nutrients
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: has gone significantly down, so you can't even get into
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: your system all this stuff. The lapel zol does bypass
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: that because it goes to the bugle membranes. But the
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: absorption rate for most peptides isn't great. I have had
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: companies call me and we have an oral product. Let
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: me show the pharmerkinetics sixty percent absorption. I'm not going
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: to disagree. You know, there might be some companies that
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: are making this stuff now. They're doing a good job,
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: and there has been some belief we've changed the ability
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: to get this stuff into the system easier. I would
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: rather patiently do oral than not do pep pits at all.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: So if it comes down to I refuse to inject, fine,
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: then take an oral. I don't think it's going to
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: work as well. I don't think lip pozone is as effective.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: I've seen in practice we use oral BPC a lot.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: I don't see oral BPC working for injuries. I've had
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: patients to oral BPC and then switch to injectable. When
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: I'm saying, you know, it doesn't work, they're not getting
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: the results, they switch to injectable, and all of a
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: sudden the start getting better.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: So and again that's an end of one. It's anecdotal.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: I can't say that I have a study to prove this,
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: but I can see in clinical practice the oral peptides
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: don't seem to be as strong as utilizing injections. There's
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: a good one in AD is a big thing. Everyone's on.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Everyone wants at a d right now, IV sub Q injections.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: There is a company several making lepozoa products just like quicksilver,
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: and indeed that's liposomal and I believe the information is
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: that about twenty percent of this is actually absorbable, So
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: you get twenty percent of what you take in. Now,
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: let's say the price is equivalent. You can't care what price.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: That means you take it five times more to get
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: in your system. I have had patients who try this.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: They do five x what they did lipozomally, and they
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: do an injection. The patients that do injections that like
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: the injection. I should preface that. And they've told me
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: they do not feel the same taking liposomal as they
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: do in the Indian injection of the sub Q and ID.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: They said, I feel more energized, I have better brain function,
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: and I do the liposomal I don't really feel anything,
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: even if the dosing is five x and it's supposed
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: to the same equivalent dosing. They don't feel it, So
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: there must be something that's not working as well. And look,
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: some people say oral works great, they do an oral product.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: You know of a TV four frag is a common
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: one people do orally now or ef a talon for example,
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: and maybe it's working on some people. Again, the other
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: problem with peptides is a lot of peptides there's no testing.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: I can't test how a town's work, and there's no
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: test for me to see that. I can't test being seven.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: I can tell an old golp one is working because
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: you don't lose weight, it's not working.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: And the metabolic measurements metrics are there for diabet So yeah,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: the golp ones have really led the way in terms
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: of being able to analyze the results. And I think
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: that's also, as you said earlier, why so many people
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: have turned to peptize generically because they saw after doing
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: a golp one, oh my god, I've never been able
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: to lose twenty pounds. Wait, so okay, so back up
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: for one moment and give us a primer of people
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: that are just starting out on peptize. What would you
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: guide them? Which ones would you guide them to dictate
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: as the foundational peptides because there are so how many,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: like fifty five thousand peptides like that.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: There's so many.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: I mean for some post people to go back tracing,
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: it's an antibiotic, it's a peptide, right, instances of peptide
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: glue finds. We have lots of peptides, the ones that
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: we do in the longevity there's probably fifty to sixty in
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: the longevity circle that we're being used circled around. There's
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: lots of peptides that people use and don't realize every day.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: But in this field of longevity and we're talking about
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: longevity peptides, my first thing always is do hormones. Check
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: your hormones. After hormones, optimize, go into your growth mode.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Peptides.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: I'm a huge proponent of things like test Samrell and
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: c JC twelve ninety five, Sermarillan and if Morell.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: These things are going to raise your growth home.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: And I always say the most bang for your buck
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: is covering all the things you can cover. So when
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: it comes longevity, what do we care about? Sexual function,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: immune function, repair, recovery, sleep, the big one, you know,
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: fat loss, muscle gain, mood improvement, brain improvements, skin her
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: nail improvements, motivation, energy, growth, hormone hits across the board,
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: everything you can imagine. Right, It's it's raising the top
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: all the way up. So it's not going to be
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: the fix for everything. But I always tell people it's
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: like when I'm panning for gold. If I'm sitting there
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: and put a bunch of sand in my sieve, the
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: first thing I want to do is, let's shake it
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: and see what's left. You know what, you have a
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: bunch of complaints. Let's find out what we have that matters.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: So for me, the first shake is always hormones.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Hey, we put your ow hormones. Let's see what it'sleft.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: Great, Now you have these big clumps there, Well, those
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: big clumps to me are now I'm going to put
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: you on growth maroon peptides diet that in the water.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, you only have one little rock in here
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: that that's the one thing that do work on. Okay,
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: we can fix that. We have maybe have one specific
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: peptides for that. But if I've now just fixed your
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: sleep and the ability to make muscle mass, and maybe
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: your immune function was better. Great, Now your libido isn't better.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Great.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: We have a peptide for that's pt one. It's going
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: to work really well. So I want to get as
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: why as I can cast that wide net and then
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: go in. I had a patient the day He's like,
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: I'm taking this, this, this, and this, and I said, well,
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: why don't you just take growthm on peptides right now
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: and hold off and everything else and then go back
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: and add things. And I'm not saying you can't do
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: all those other peptides, but don't you want everything to
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: be a little bit better and then you can add.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: So I'm always promoting growth on peptides as the first step.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: Now we can't use them in cancer. I don't use
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: them for patient recently has head cancer. You know, there's
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: some problems if you're having you know, any cancer occurring.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: We don't want it. So there's some compilications. This is
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: why you want to provide her to work with. But
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: that is my first step is everyone use growthrne peptides.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: Nad is become this like everyone wants an ad everyone
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: wants to be on it.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: I think it works well.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: Do I think it's as amazing as everyone saying, no,
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: I'd rather put people on something called thymus and afa
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: one for the immune stem. As we age, we get
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: what's called inflamma aging the munston doesn't work as well,
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: we get more inflammation. Thamus noof for one does a
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: wonderful job with the immune stem, helping repair it and
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: get it to work better and more efficient. So twice year,
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: I'm like, do this, Timus nof for one. In fact,
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: I would do that before putting someone on you know, innad.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: So if the first month is going to be growth
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: one peptides, that second month is gonna be thimuson off
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: of one if I had my weight now. Unfortunately I
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: don't have my way with every patient. They're like, no,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: I want the energy right now. Fine, we can do it.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: But as part of your protocol, we're going to build
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: this in so you can have something to help the
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: immune them, because that's my number. You know, two things
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: I've seen being an issue is our immune stems don't
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: work as well. So if we can help our immune
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: them be a little better. You know, if for me
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: it's winter time in Chicago, I don't get a cold
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: or flu. Timus and off one for a month is
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: going to help me protect my immuneest them and induce
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: my risk of getting into some kind of infection during
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: this cold season.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: So I'm so glad that you're saying this. Everybody always
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: says VPC one seven is the very first, and actually
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: I agree with you. You've got to start with the you know,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: where are the problems lie and those people, if they're
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: you know, over forty, they've lost growth hormone and if
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: they're taking a GLP one they're even more likely to
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: be losing. So you're saying exactly what I think people
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: need to hear, which is look at your particular issues
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: and don't just follow what some influencers saying on Instagram,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: you know. So so okay, so we've got foundationally speaking, Yes,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: time was an alpha one because it's inflammating, which is
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: you know, immune system, we have growth. Well, I should
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: have started with growth hormone, which is you know, I
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: don't know anybody over forty that isn't losing growth hormone
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: unless they're replenishing it. It just happens, is what happens
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: with our bodies. So giving yourself more growth hormone and
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: then if you're adding a GLG one. If you started
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: with that, then the growth mormon is only going to
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: be a great part the you know, the semi glue tide.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: So okay, So then what would come next after those two?
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Well, then I would say, you know, let's talk about
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: recovery repair. That's when VPC fits into me. I will say,
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: I've been to lots and lots and lots of summers
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: and peptides. In the first beginning seminar as the Masterminds,
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: I went to Doctor Cig's asked the crowd the first
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: couple ones, if you to pick up pep tide, what's
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: your favorite peptide? And I would tell you around the room,
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: BPC whe five to seven is the most common ambiquitous
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: everyone's And I'll tell you why. The reason people love
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: it is it does so much the body. It can
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: make more growth and receptors on the cells. It can
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: help improve your repair recovery. I mean I think of
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: it as water like. It's pretty much everyone I could
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: put on and I put on ye. So not that
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's a great peptide, but I'm not
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: going to start with it, even though it's probably the
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: best peptide for pretty much anyone out there to use.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: There are other things to use that would be more useful. Right,
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: growth on one goes down to ten percent by the
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: time you're in sixty, Well at that point, growthm's going
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: to better option than that because repair recovery is great.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: But most people they turn sixties. My sleep is terrible.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: I can't sleep for crap, I'm using all this muscle mass.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: I'm sarkopenic. I don't have on muscle. My energy isn't great.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: But BPC is going to cover any of those things. Now,
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: if you're an avid work you know working out, you're
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: exercising all the time, you know you're getting injured a lot.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: BPC is great, don't get me wrong. It's an amazing peptide.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: But that's not the crowd of most people. Most people
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: are not going to the gym so often they can't
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: repair or recover. Most we're just saying my normal life.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: I don't feel as good as I did ten years ago,
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: and that's because growthman has gone down. So BBC comes
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: third for me. That's my next thing, you know, down
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: the line. I like GHKCU. That'd be probably next after that, skin,
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: hair nails, and that's my men it's so funny. My
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: women are very vain. I want my skin to lookod now,
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: and men are like, wait, I don't my skin to
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: look bad.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: So my men are now starting to get GHKC now
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: they've learned about it. They're getting into this now. So
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: GHKCU is really up there for me.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: You know, let's just stop for a second. That is
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: to tell everybody if they don't know, is the copper
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: peptide which is for skin, hair and nails, is you know,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: something that is most efficacious. So yeah, I'm so happy
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: you said that next because I think vanity is still
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: you know, when you think about aging, what if people
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: think about it as you said, ring.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: Gray hair, not everyone can get a facelift every five years. Right,
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: If you can't get a face every five years, what
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: are you doing to get this done?
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: So GHKCU is are awesome peptide. I can't say. It
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: also makes more stem cells, So there's so many I mean,
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: GHKCU repairs DNA. There's so many reasons. I love GHKC,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: but most people like if that, you know, skin hair, nails.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: I don't like collagen better, you know, especially at the
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: weight loss we talked about this. The golp one's right.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: You can tighten everything back up. By getting back on GHKSE.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: You tighten all that that the ligaments up. It also
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: tightened up that skin. It works on the lasting as
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: well as collagen. So that's honestly if I had when
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: I build protocols or patients, the simplest is easy. Right,
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: Like we're getting a bunch of peptides now, but most
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: people first off that budget friendly. Right now we've kind
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: of got the budget, we've gotten the price up. Most
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: people ask me, what can I do is the least
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: amount of things? And I'm always like, look, get your
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: hormones checked and starting growth from peptides. Maybe be on
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: a golp one. Long term gop ones have now shown
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: least similar tide has shown twenty percent reduction of major
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: adverse party of BASCAR event.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: So Mace, I know, isn't that amazing that that's the
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: side effect? Nobody? Nobody thought of that when so now
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: you have a other benefit.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: That's so crucial heart disease.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but however, there's always a caveat. So going back
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: to the GLG once people are taking it, maybe they're
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: overdosing or because they they reach a plateau and they
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: stopped losing. You know, maybe they needed to lose a
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: lot more weight than you or I wouldn't you ever
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: want it for But but let's just say it's a
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: forty pound weight loss that they're looking for and they
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: get twenty pounds, they get a plateau. So now they say, oh,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: I better, I better increase my dosage. And but then
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: that's going to create the muscle loss that you know
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: at a microdose. I mean, I don't know Elizabeth Eureth
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: who doctor Urth from Bully. I just adore her and
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: I and she told me on my podcast two years
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: ago she said, I'm micro doose, meaning her and she's all,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: you know, very fit. But the fact that she would
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: micro doose tells you that she's just looking to keep
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: that strong uh, you know, physical health and no weight,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: no weighting and her metabolic health. So but but she
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: understands the muscle issue. So microdosing is for her and
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: for me somebody like me, is the way to go.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: But you do have to watch for the plateauing if
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: you're trying to lose a bigger amount, and you have
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: to watch for the right.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: Dose and the muscle loss. Right, this is the biggest thing,
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: rate the number one thing people complain about. I'm losing
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: muddle muscle. I'm losing fat in my face right, my
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: face has gotten thinner. I'm getting ozembic face and you know,
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: zebic butt. These things are happening because fat pads have
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: gone away in your face over the years. You haven't
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: seen yourself thirty pounds heavier for maybe ten years, and
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: now you're like, well, how come I face this some thing? Well,
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: that's what happened if you've stayed the same weight over
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: the same number of years. But unfortunately you didn't say
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: that weight, so you didn't see those fat pads go away,
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: you know, always believing, and then you have the muscle loss. Everyone,
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: I fear muscle loss more than anything because muscle is
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: the currency of you know, of longevity. If you lose,
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: if you lose muscle, I mean right now, when you
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: turn every year, then you know, after the age of
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: thirty five, you losing muscle masses.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: It's going down.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: So unless you just to maintain it, it's going down.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: Even when you get older in your sixties. Now you
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: can't as much muscle mass as you're had in your
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: thirties even if you maintain it. So when you added
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: GLP one and a lot of people using JLP one
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: there forties and above right, is that the target autum
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: is probably fifteen Above is where I see multiple using
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: it because they're overweight. They're seeing this giant muscle loss
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: and they're not being able to counteract. They're not taking
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: augh protein, they're not doing you know, hormones, they're not
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: taking more well from peptides, and they're complaining about this.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: And like you said, they're going so high in dose
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: and you get that weight down that they're losing that
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: you know muscle, and then what happens they come off?
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: What's the number one complaint? I gained the weight back? Well,
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: you gain it back because your metabolisms slowed down. If
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: you lose you know, twenty pounds and eight pounds that
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: is going to be muscle. Seven pounds of muscle. Muscle
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: is your strongest ability to move metabolism. You've lost seven
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: pounds of muscle, you have to you can eat even less.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: Your bound of food has gone way down and plummeted
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: that what you can take in, So you want to
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: hold that muscle mass you can keep eating at least
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: some of the food you're eating before, because if you
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: go back to that same diet, you put on weight quicker.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: This weapon's complaint. I put on weight so much past
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: bank came off. Well, how much you lose I don't know,
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: thirty pounds?
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: Great, you realize you probably lost seven eight nine pounds
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: of muscle in that that nine pounds of muscle accounted
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: for a large party metabism maybe like one hundred calories
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: extra one hundred th calories. And if you're eating the
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: same amount of food you ate before, you're going to
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: skyrocket you weight because you have no metablism isn't working.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: So I think that the big there's muscle loss.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so wouldn't it be the This is just a suggestion,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: but wouldn't it be best if somebody is going to
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: go on to semi glue, to on a g LP
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: one to combine that just not even allow them to
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: do it unless they're going to do combined with it
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: a ipa morele and or testa morell and you know
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: a growth part.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: We do this practice, Yeah, we do some practice. We
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: run this stuff quite often. Listen, again, it's cost right,
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: So patients come up to you and they say this expensive,
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: and I say, we have to this too, and they
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: get the bulk, right, Okay, you don't have to do
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: it if you're exercising and you're in the protein and
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: you know you're doing other things exercising protein number one
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: and two for me, and then always push the next
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: thing and then the next thing. They're like, well that
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: costs me extra. I don't know if I can afford it.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: So I think it's really hard because there is the
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: price point that people care about, right, I can only
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: spend this much, And they also, do you know, first
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: something that trust with your practitioner. I don't know, you
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: know if I trust this GLP one to even work.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I trust you. And then when
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: you gain trust, usually after the second business, I'm like, hey,
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: we should probably add this in. You've lost seven pounds
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: now your goal is thirty. Let's put this in to
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: help you keep that muscle mass. So I'm utilizing golp
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: ones with growth friend peptides all the time. But I
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: think there does become a problem with it is that
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: there is a price longevity. I always tell people. Everyone says,
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: wive's insurance covered while insurance works like car insurance. Your
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: car insurance does not cover breaks or winch wipers. But
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: if that rain is pouring down, your breaks aren't working,
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: you get a car accident. Guess now they're cover your breaks.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: They're gonna cover your winche wipers, so they're destroyed. So
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: this is how insurance works. Insurance works when you've already
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: been destroyed and your body isn't working and you have
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: to bad happen. It does not cover anything before you
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: get to the point. So we're trying with golp one's
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: growth friend peptides hormones to slow down that aging process
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: so you don't have to go to the hospital for cancer,
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: cardiovastri disease, you know, and the other things that kind
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: of go into Asian just Alzheimer's. We want to slow
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: down the diseases of Asian and golp one's are the
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: best slow down process of disease of aging, they heart
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: disease Alzheimer's. Parkinsing's answer, I mean this is golp one's,
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: Like every person should consider JLP once. It's just for
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: the sheer fact of diseases of Asian would go down. Yeah,
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: but you know, I mean I can't. I mean, golp
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: One's are a whole on the topic. They're the best
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: thing that has ever come out. I love growth from peptides,
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: I love all these other things. And the reason we
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: started this saying with the reason why longevity confidence got
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: so big was golp one's and it's because they moved
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: the needle, the furthest in that longevity market. All the
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: other things support it. They support better block health. If
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: you can give one single thing to improvement ablouck health,
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: golp wants you know, I want to almost revamp. The
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: only reason I don't want to start with gop one
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: is because people are worried about losing muscle mass. To
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: worry about losing these things, they're just worried. I don't
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: need a GOLP want people. And then then well, obviously
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: we have the people that are you know, you've seen them,
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: I've seen them. They either love jail or completely hate them.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: They're the devil. They should never be used. Why you're
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: destroying your body, it's from the Gillia monster's venom.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: What are you doing? It means like the.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: Crazy stuff we hear, and so it's a really hot
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: button topic to be on gop one's It would honestly
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: be my top top peptides.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: I mean VPC peop before BPC.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: If I can make you live longer, I would, And
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: I think in longevity space with you and I, gop
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: one should be in the top two. It should be
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: you know, growth from peptides and GOP one's honestly gop
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: one's before even growth friend, because longevity.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: Space, we want to live longer.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: But for the normal people who aren't thinking of the
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: next twenty years. Right in the Bible hacking community, we're
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: thinking five, ten, fifteen, twenty years in advance. Most other
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: people that we reach and most people that listen to
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: us and I see in practice, are thinking over the
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: next twelve months. They're not thinking over the next fifteen years.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: So for them, that'sduring growth come matters because they want
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: to feel better right now, and I are thinking, I
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: want to feel good in fifteen years, though I don't
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: want feel.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: Good right now.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: Is great, but you don't cover my next fifteen years.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: I'm also going to lose you. So this is the
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: kind of way the population shifts. Right we have the
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: longevity biohacker market, which gop ones are probably the top
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: of one you should be considering, and then we have
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: your day to day people were just like, I'm just
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: gonna feel better right now, Doc, I don't care if
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: ten years from now I don't have a heart attack.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: At this point, what I care about is I'm not
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: sleeping and I'm losing muscle mass and my sex drive sucks,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: Like what can I do about that? So I think
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: there's just different markets of where we're looking at. That's
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: why again, golp ones are at the top. But and
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: I talk about them every day to people all day
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: every day, but the education side is so hard to
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: explain to patients why they should be on them well,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: and you.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Need to also deal with the issue that we talked
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: about earlier, which is when something becomes that effective that
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: people see results from their friends or on the you
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: know of social media or whatever, or they themselves if
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: they've tried it, they then it becomes this, you know,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: while west, which is kind of what's happening with peptide.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: So your role is so important, and this is why
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: I tell everyone who ever asked me, never ever get
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: on peptides without a provider. You've got to have someone
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: who understands what you're doing and understands your body because
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: everybody's biochemistry is different. So yeah, I agree with you
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: about the KLP ones, even people who don't even need
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: to lose weight, but they're doing it for overall wellness.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: So okay, Well, they just flagged me that our time's
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: almost up. So I want to ask you a big,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: kind of a global macro question. At the show, I
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: saw these little robots running around and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: so we are to be standing at a booth and
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  Speaker 1: this little robot is next to yourself. What do you
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  Speaker 1: think is going to be the future of aging and
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  Speaker 1: wellness and longevity given what we have now that you
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  Speaker 1: know all the things we've talked about today, peptive being
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  Speaker 1: the big subject, but also stem cells and DNA mes
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  Speaker 1: elation and AI and you know, also things the robots,
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  Speaker 1: where do you see let's just project maybe five years,
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  Speaker 1: just as a conservative, what do you think you'll be
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  Speaker 1: saying on my podcast five years?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? So, I mean I think I think I had
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  Speaker 2: the same for everyone else does.
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  Speaker 3: As AI takes over more and more of our lives,
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  Speaker 3: we have more job loss, we have people making less money.
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  Speaker 3: I do see our health declining over the next five
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  Speaker 3: years worse than this now because again, when there's less
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  Speaker 3: jobs because AI is taking over jobs, even mine is
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  Speaker 3: at risk of being gone.
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  Speaker 2: So when I see this happening, I imagine a.
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  Speaker 3: Wally situation with Wally where they and they have the
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  Speaker 3: space ships and they're all overweight. I'm like, that's where
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  Speaker 3: we're moving towards in the overall health. I think the
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  Speaker 3: most people United States are going to move towards that direction,
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  Speaker 3: the people like you and I that are in the know.
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  Speaker 3: There's going to be some many more treatments for us,
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  Speaker 3: like the people that know about this stuff and have access,
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  Speaker 3: because that's what most people don't have access.
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  Speaker 2: They don't have the education.
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  Speaker 3: So I think, one, I need to see more education
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  Speaker 3: on this around them globally, and I think if we
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  Speaker 3: get enough education on there, I think we can keep
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  Speaker 3: people's health going. I think we can see reduction part disease,
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  Speaker 3: we can see reduction of cancer, we can see increase
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  Speaker 3: in lifespan. Finally, for the first time since antibiotics, we
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: can finally see it and.
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  Speaker 2: The lifespan start to creep back up.
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  Speaker 3: Between stem cells and AI, I think we can make
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  Speaker 3: better treatment plans and really help people live longer. But
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: again the problem is going to be people that can
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  Speaker 3: access it now are still getting access.
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  Speaker 2: But if we see job losses with.
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  Speaker 3: AI, we're going to see more unhealthy people because again
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  Speaker 3: the food industry is not changing for the better. So
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  Speaker 3: all we have is these peptides to help improve people,
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  Speaker 3: which again it's working.
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  Speaker 2: I do see wellness as a whole growing.
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  Speaker 3: We know the ones industry is growing, so I do
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  Speaker 3: think there's gonna be a large improvement in the overall
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  Speaker 3: health of people that are in this industry right. But
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  Speaker 3: it's trying to educate enough people. You and I both
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: went to Biohackers World. It is not that it is
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: not tens of thousands of people. And until we get
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: to that recipice where it's tens of thousands of people
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  Speaker 3: coming to the events to learn how to make themselves better,
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  Speaker 3: I think that's where we lose people. People are not
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  Speaker 3: invested enough in their health because they're thinking we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: just have another peptide or injection or pill. And I
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  Speaker 3: think we're not outpacing how sick we are unfortunately, so
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  Speaker 3: I still think we're gonna be much sicker in five
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  Speaker 3: years unless I mean, look red true tide has twenty
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  Speaker 3: nine percent weight loss.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe they have another golp one coming out in the
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  Speaker 3: next five years that's going to hit obesity, knock it
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  Speaker 3: all the way down. And if that happen, then yeah,
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  Speaker 3: then I think we see a healthier worldwide population. And
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: I do think that's on the horizon. I do think
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  Speaker 3: there is a golp one or something coming out it
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  Speaker 3: will really change metal box disease, because I think that's
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  Speaker 3: number one.
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  Speaker 1: I know, But Jason, you can't really expect a peptide
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  Speaker 1: to make all the difference if people don't change their
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: lookout the five pillars of health, you know, yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: people are not dealing with their diet, are their exercise?
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: Are their stress levels? Are there? Sleep levels are there?
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: Are their connection to others? Where I just put that
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: as love, you know, the love the love pillar. So
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: you know, those are the five foundational things that that
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: basically there is a pep type for every single one
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: of those. However, that's just the band aid. You know,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: you can know that you've got to go to the
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  Speaker 1: root cause of you know, making change in your life.
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  Speaker 1: So so I think the education you talk about needs
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  Speaker 1: to get to the changes that we need to make,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: and Robert F. Kennedy is I think he's doing an
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  Speaker 1: amazing job of trying to help people, to educate them
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  Speaker 1: to making changes in their choices. It starts with personal choice.
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  Speaker 2: Right Greed agreed, one hundred percent agree.
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  Speaker 3: I think I'm hoping that the future of medicine is
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: us getting better and healthier.
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  Speaker 2: But I think it starts with education.
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  Speaker 3: I think as we get more educated as providers and
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: we can pass education down to our patients and then
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: hits that critical point like peptides. Have we had a
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: critical point with peptides, I'm hoping we had a critical
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: point with wellness. We're seeing alcohol levels drop, so I
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: think we are seeing a movement in that direction. I
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: just hope it continues that snowball effect that people better choices,
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  Speaker 3: more yoga, less partying, less drinking.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that's my five years.
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  Speaker 3: I hope the ones industry has exploded and we were
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: regular person walking down the streets like, oh yeah, I
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: quit drinking, like last year.
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  Speaker 2: I heard how bad it was for me, and I'm
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: just done.
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  Speaker 3: So we can start getting rid of these things and
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: start educating people on a really large basis. I do
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: see us finally having a better health. Mine's peptides threw peptides.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: It's going to be just wanting to be better and
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: feel better overall.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for that. So before we go, I want
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: everybody to know basically how to reach you if they
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: want to talk to you. And I love the fact
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: that you've been so generous about offering a first time
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: consulting with you. Normally it costs like two hundred and
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: fifty dollars, and I think that's a deal because you
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: get people an hour. No where do you find a
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: doctor in this world that you can get, you know,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: without insurance, one hour for three fifty. So, but you're
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: offering our viewers if they use it, well, just maybe
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: if you could tell your staff the age let's call
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: it ageless twenty.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, ages twenty is great if you tell me if
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: you we touch to my staff and say ageless twenty,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: we're offering two hundred dollars or new patient consults that
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: we normally do.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, if somebody doesn't do that and then take
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: the next step with you to get their labs because,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: as you said, the first, the very first thing you
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: have to do if you don't already have your labs
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: done when you come to talk to you and you
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: can do this, tell a medicine they don't.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: Have to come to Chicago where you're located.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: So telemedicine has, you know, become a great avenue for
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: you know, zoom a zoom call like we're having is important.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: Did you get to see the station?
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: Yep?
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: So so how do they reach you?
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, A couple of things.
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  Speaker 3: My website is Fountain Wellness dot net. And then there's
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: also my Instagram which is d R doctor period Jason,
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  Speaker 3: last name pensiic P E n C e K, and
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: I have a bunch of stuff on Instagram. I'm always posting,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: you know, information, educational videos.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: That's what I do all day. Every day's education.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: If you reach out between Instagram, I will like I
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: would just send you my clinic info and that will
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: basically be our our email as well as our website
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: and you can go there and check us out and
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: then setup appointment.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: So the the email address is on the Instagram account.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: It is it is, It is on there. It is
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: in there, yep, I have it. You have access, and
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: then if you have a question, you can reach out
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: to me. I answer everyone that reach out to me.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: I do pretty much answer every single uh get So
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: it takes.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: A long time.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: I spend like an hour or two a day on
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: an Instagram, but I do respond back to almost every
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: post and every every time.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: And I can tell you I look forward because I
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: open my Instagram account, uh one, because we do reels
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: as well, not as often as you, but we you know,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: I oftentimes I just want to see what our reels
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: look like. And I go to my account and you're
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: the first person every single day. It's like it's like
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: eating breakfast. You know, You're You're like the first nutrition
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: I get every day when I open my account.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: And there you are with the toast every day.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: It gives me and everybody else that's watching a kernels
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: of education that are so important. So I really want
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: to thank you, Kase. I know that's a lot of work.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: It takes, it takes a lot of energy, but it's
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: I It's it's passionate. I love I love medicine of
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: talking about it, and I will be educated.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: I want everyone to know how to do this.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: Well. Thank you so much. So where are you going
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: to be speaking next? What conference?
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: Just so people know, Oh my gosh, next one, I'm
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: supposed to be in Colombia and Cardian for Issaca, and
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: then I think the next one after that would be biohackers.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: And then I'm traveling. I have a bunch of conferences.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: I'm going to Jordan next year. I'm going to back
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: to Brazil, Dubai.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: I have a lot of conference out with out of
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: the country next year, a lot of I think one
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: to nine and ten different countries next year.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, so a lot of traveling out of the country. Yeah,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: I have.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: In the United States, I have been asked for a
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: bunch of IM supposed to teach actually at a form
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: their neuro therapy this year, and it didn't end up
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: working out. One that the provider was like, I wanted you,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: but they maybe pull pep tides in and you couldn't
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: help me. So we'll see if I'm teaching a form
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: next year.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: Wow, that would be a great feather in your cap, Jason.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: It would. I would be very excited about that.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: So I get asked to speak a lot now, and
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: it's it's getting harder to fit stuff into my actual
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: day to day because they run a practice still, so
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: I'm still very busy outside of that.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: Well, just so you know, I'm involved with Rob Pletcher.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: I think I've told you I've recommended him to you,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: and he's working. You know, he's doctor Goldman's kind of
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: go to person, very talented, and he is doing the
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: joint venture with Epoch Health and world Health Net, which
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: is doctor Goldman. So they're they're looking for people like
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: you to be the spokesperson. So maybe get in touch
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: with Rob and tell them that you'd be interested to
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: be one of their longevity masters. They did approach me,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: and I am going to do a uh you know,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: I guess it's like a one minute. What they want
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: is just one minute of your thoughts. We had to
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: see longevity going that type of thing, so I sent
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: to Rob's info, So go ahead and reach out to him,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: and I think you could you know, that would be
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: going right into world Health Net. So that's gonna be
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: a big one.
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  Speaker 3: I love it all right, Thank you Michelle for having me.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: I really I appreciate you so much.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: Oh well, Jason, I appreciate you. So I just wanted
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: to say in partying that I have been using your
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: services with my own personal program, and I can tell everyone,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't usually recommend unless I've done it myself,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: so I can highly recommend you anyone watching to really
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: go to Jason. I've given your name to a lot
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: of my associates and colleagues, and your staff is very
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: good and very responsive, so awesome. Yeah, so this is
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: a resource for everybody who wants to take advantage, but
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: don't do it without talking to Jason first. Get that one.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: Watch my Instagram, but don't listen to everything without talking
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: too much your own health.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: Please.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, go to because you've got to get
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: the personal lifestyle and the labs that are looked at
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: by Jason. I don't know how you do it. You
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: look so good, but I don't know where you sleep
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: because you do so much.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: But I don't it is it is, I've been taking
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: sleep away from my life. But I just passionate. I
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: just want everyone to get access. I just want everyone
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: to get access. I just leased the price can come down.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: So I just want everyone to feel. Everyone's health should
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: be free, right, we should be universal. It's unfair right now,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: the way set up, and I just want everyone That's
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: why educate. If you can't see me, maybe you've got
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: a little tidbit that you can ask your doctor about
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: that doesn't know it and maybe they can help help you.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: But you know, Jason, some people don't even know to
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: have a functional medicine doctor. They're still listening to you,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: and they've got to then make the transition. So you know,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: talking to you is the first step. Even if they
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: don't already have a functional medicine provider, they can start
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: taking the baby steps and then you know, look for that.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: If they want to have a provider in their neighborhood,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: so to speak, that's fine. But they can still work
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: with you on the question on the telemedicine side, so
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: you don't you know, and getting their labs they can
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: get that. Think you can prescribe them to get We
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: do that, We do that now, okay, good, all right,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: Well I think they're probably asking me to get off.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: All right, have a wonderful Christmas and we'll be I'm
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: sure I'll be talking to you. I'm sure, what Michelle, Okay,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: you take care all right, Bye bye