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Credlin | 27 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Pedo Krembler live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the show. What a Day. I've
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Speaker 2: got a favorite of deja view, deja vus, I like
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Speaker 2: say why in a moment, here's what's coming out tonight
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Speaker 2: lately racist. That's how I questioned a multiculturalism ask on
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Speaker 2: the ABC's Q and A program last night has been
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Speaker 2: labeled Now was it racist? I'll play a bit later
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Speaker 2: on and you can be the judge. And it comes,
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Speaker 2: of course at a time when we learn the staggery
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Speaker 2: number of charges leveled against Labour's freed foreign criminals. Universities
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Speaker 2: today and uproar as Labor announces what I'd considered pretty
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Speaker 2: modest cuts to overseas students too long they've used it
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Speaker 2: as a cash cow while the rest of us have
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Speaker 2: taken a hit on housing congestion and more. Class is
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Speaker 2: clear the Milton CFMAU isn't going to go quietly. Mass
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Speaker 2: protests today across the country. Talk to of caught challenges
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Speaker 2: to the legislation or cross live to just into an
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Speaker 2: amatuca price. In Alice Springs, she's had a breakthrough with
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Speaker 2: a group of traditional owners demanding urgent action from the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister. I'll give you that detail in the moment,
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Speaker 2: and the Opposition leader has shrugged off at tax from
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Speaker 2: Labor that he's dangerous and divisive as they look more
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Speaker 2: desperate by the day.
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Speaker 3: So I think there is real internal friction within the
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Speaker 3: Labor Party and it shows the dynamic that's going on
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Speaker 3: in the Labor Party at the moment, because this is
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Speaker 3: a government where the wheels are falling off.
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Speaker 2: But first, the surest sign that you're losing a debate
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Speaker 2: is attacking the character of your main antagonist. And one
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Speaker 2: of the worst features of public life these days is
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Speaker 2: the inference that if you disagree, you're not just wrong,
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Speaker 2: you're bad. You're not just incorrect on a particular issue,
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Speaker 2: but you're somehow morally defective too. The demonisation of Peter
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Speaker 2: Darton has now gone into the drive. This from a
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Speaker 2: government that's plainly in trouble. There's no effective response to
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Speaker 2: Dutton's claims that they're weeknear our economy and jeopardizing our
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Speaker 2: national security. Now, poll after poll shows that Australians agree
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Speaker 2: here with Peter Dutton. So instead of clearly indicating where
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Speaker 2: the opposition leader is wrong and arguing why the government's
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Speaker 2: got the settings right. There's now non stop attacks on
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Speaker 2: his character. Last week in the Parliament, the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: set the tone and he was the main culprit.
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Speaker 4: All they care about is going down this negative road
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Speaker 4: because we know who this blike is. He wants to
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Speaker 4: drive trying to part We're bringing people together.
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Speaker 2: But now the ambitious Treasurer has tried to outdo his
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Speaker 2: current boss and shop around his own leadership credentials to caucus.
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Speaker 2: Last night, in a formal scripted lecture which means every
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Speaker 2: word he said was very deliberate in front of an
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Speaker 2: audience of true believers at a labor think tank, Jim
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Speaker 2: Chalmers declared that Dutton was the worst and most divisive
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Speaker 2: opposition leader ever.
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Speaker 5: He is the most divisive leader of a major political
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Speaker 5: party in Australia's modern history.
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Speaker 2: What is it with the left and personal attacks against
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Speaker 2: conservative politicians?
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Speaker 6: Tony Abbott, already the most destructive politician of his generation,
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Speaker 6: now intends waging war on what he calls environmental theology.
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Speaker 2: That was the then ABC journalist Andrew Proben with a
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Speaker 2: highly partisan spray about Tony Abbott straight out of the
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Speaker 2: Gillard playbook that he was later forced to apologize for
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Speaker 2: so this sort of over the top personal stuff. It's
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Speaker 2: even original treasure because he didn't just stop there, have
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Speaker 2: a listen.
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Speaker 5: At a time when most sane people see political divisiveness
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Speaker 5: around the world and what are rejected, he wants to
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Speaker 5: embrace it. It's the only plank in his political platform.
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Speaker 5: He divides deliberately, almost pathologically particular, and this is worse
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Speaker 5: than disappointing.
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Speaker 7: It's dangerous.
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Speaker 5: His divisiveness should be to score fin him.
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Speaker 2: He would further steal, claiming that Dunton was dog whistling
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Speaker 2: in a knowledge that Gucci tealds Arlie Steggel's claim that
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Speaker 2: the Opposition leader was racist when he called for all
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Speaker 2: people coming from Gaza to be properly vetted by our
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Speaker 2: security agencies.
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Speaker 5: Our job as leaders is to heal divisions in our society.
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Speaker 5: Darnton wants to pick at them and pray on them
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Speaker 5: for political advantage, and as we saw last week in
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Speaker 5: the Parliament, his dog whistle only plays.
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Speaker 2: And sure. Chalmers also attacked the Opposition leader on policy ground,
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Speaker 2: claiming falsely in my view, that Dutton's got no policy
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Speaker 2: to reduce inflation or boost productivity, even though in relation
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Speaker 2: to inflation. He says he'll ran it in, he'll bring
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Speaker 2: down the excessive and wasteful government spending that's adding to
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Speaker 2: the inflation spike. And as a down payment on his intent,
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Speaker 2: today the Coalition announced over one hundred billion dollars in
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Speaker 2: savings on the productivity front. The Coalation has already said
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Speaker 2: they'll repeal Labour's union driven laws against enterprise bargaining and
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Speaker 2: casual employment. Hence the attacks on Darton's character because the
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Speaker 2: attack on his policies is so palpably weak. For his part,
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Speaker 2: Duarton has never said that Albanese is a bad man,
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Speaker 2: just that he's a poor prime minister. He's ever claimed
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Speaker 2: that the PM acts in bad faith, just that he's
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Speaker 2: got a completely wrong on all all the big issues
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Speaker 2: to deal with the economy and national security. And yet
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Speaker 2: because he's dared to disagree, and especially because he's convincing people,
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Speaker 2: is now a clear political threat. There's this savage assault
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Speaker 2: in his character and an attempt to put Dutton off
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Speaker 2: his game, and in the hope too that it might
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Speaker 2: persuade some voters to disregard Dutton's arguments. Now, Peter Dutton,
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Speaker 2: this is all warror for Duck's back, as he argues,
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Speaker 2: it says more about charmers than it says about him.
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Speaker 3: I think the promnist's worries continue and people will continue
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Speaker 3: to fly a flag for their future leadership ambitions. And
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Speaker 3: I think Jim Chalmers is doing exactly that the personal attacks.
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Speaker 8: I think people see through it.
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Speaker 3: The governments in a typicult position at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Now for those as it didn't come down to the
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Speaker 2: last shower. All this does is prove that labor is desperate. Now,
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Speaker 2: this says to me their internal pilings bad, probably worse
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Speaker 2: than the public numbers we've said, meaning they're headed to
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Speaker 2: the wall after just one term. Labor are good at
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Speaker 2: one thing. They play the man, not the ball. They
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Speaker 2: do it ferociously, and when in trouble they go hard
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Speaker 2: on the personal, lashing out in the only way they
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Speaker 2: know how.
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Speaker 9: It's a decision about weather. Once again, we will banish
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Speaker 9: women's voices from the core of our nation's political life.
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Speaker 2: I invite you to imagine it.
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Speaker 9: A prime minister, a man with a blue tie who
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Speaker 9: goes on holidays to be replaced by a man in
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Speaker 9: a blue tie. A treasurer who delivers a budget wearing
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Speaker 9: a blue tie, to be supported by a finance minister,
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Speaker 9: another man in a blue tie. Women once again banished
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Speaker 9: from the center of Australia's political life.
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Speaker 2: Look at that date, eleventh of June twenty thirteen. Two
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Speaker 2: weeks after that embarrassing spray, Gillard was dumped by her
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Speaker 2: colleagues and Kevin Rudd was back in the lodge, going personal,
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Speaker 2: getting nasty. It didn't help Labor then, because Rudd lost
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Speaker 2: to Abbott in a landslide later that year. It won't
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Speaker 2: help them now either on the two things that Australians
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Speaker 2: care most about right now, cost of living and the
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Speaker 2: safety and security of their own local communities. Peterdutt in
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Speaker 2: his Streets Ahead, the Coalition knows it. Labor knows it.
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Speaker 2: It's in all of their internal polling and has been
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Speaker 2: for months. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why Labor
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Speaker 2: is so rattled and so desperate. All right, Let's go
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Speaker 2: to camer now for the headlines. Sky News political reporter
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Speaker 2: Olivia Caisley.
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Speaker 10: The Albanese government has unveiled its plan to cap international
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Speaker 10: student numbers, permitting two hundred and seventy thousand new enrollments
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Speaker 10: next year. Under the caps, public universities will be allowed
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Speaker 10: to enroll one hundred and fifty thousand new international students
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Speaker 10: next year, while vocational colleges will be given a quota
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Speaker 10: of ninety five thousand and private unis and colleges limited
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Speaker 10: to thirty thousand.
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Speaker 11: The level that we're setting for universities is about fifteen
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Speaker 11: percent higher than it was before the pandemic.
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Speaker 10: Each institution has been given an individual limit. While regional
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Speaker 10: universities will be allowed to enroll more foreign students than
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Speaker 10: they did last year, large metropolitan unis that dominated the
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Speaker 10: market will have their numbers cut. The Prime Minister has
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Speaker 10: called on Peter Dutton to outline exactly how the Coalition
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Speaker 10: would make one hundred billion dollars worth of savings. The
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Speaker 10: labor policies that could be on the chopping block should
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Speaker 10: the Coalition win the next election, including the Housing Australia
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Speaker 10: Future Fund, the National Reconstruction Fund and even the Melbourne
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Speaker 10: Suburban rail Loop, but there's still a question mark over
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Speaker 10: how all of that money would be saved.
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Speaker 12: Big cuts to important infrastructure, cuts to health and medicare.
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Speaker 3: The government keeps pumping money into the economy and if
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Speaker 3: they're wasting money, we're not going to support those programs,
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Speaker 3: and we'll have more detail in relation to where we
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Speaker 3: think there's waste and where we can more efficiently spend
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Speaker 3: money in the run up to the election.
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Speaker 10: All of this so the Opposition can help fund income
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Speaker 10: tax relief for aspirational Australians, a suggestion the Coalition could
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Speaker 10: lift the one hundred and thirty five thousand threshold above
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Speaker 10: which the thirty seven percent rate applies.
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Speaker 2: More on all of that. I'm joined now by Sky
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Speaker 2: News Political editor Andrew Clenell Well. Angel I spoke about
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Speaker 2: this at the top of the show. Is retric sprouted
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Speaker 2: by Labor that opposition layter Pededutton somehow dangerous and divisive.
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Speaker 2: They tried it with Tony Abbott too. Polls show, though
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Speaker 2: that Dutton is strong on the ground that issues that
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Speaker 2: relate to them. I mentioned cost of living. I mentioned security,
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Speaker 2: not just national security, but real about local security. When
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Speaker 2: they attack Dunton, they're attacking ordinary Australians that share his concerns.
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Speaker 2: They did this in the Voice, It got them nowhere
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Speaker 2: and they've gone back to the well.
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Speaker 7: I'm a bit surprised, I think, you know, I mean,
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Speaker 7: Jim Chalmers was around as Wayne Swan's Cheeva staff when
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Speaker 7: that stuff on Abbot didn't work. So if you're talking
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Speaker 7: about him, you're giving him publicity.
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Speaker 1: Look, Bob Carr was.
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Speaker 7: One of the most successful premiers in New South Wales
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Speaker 7: has ever had. He made a policy of not talking
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Speaker 7: about the opposition leader at all because he didn't want
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Speaker 7: to give them the airtime. And so that's the danger here.
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Speaker 7: Look at campaign. Different story. Right with your political ads
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Speaker 7: in a campaign, go your hardest, go for your life.
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Speaker 1: I think that's fair.
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Speaker 7: But at this stage people just want to see you
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Speaker 7: as treasurer concentrating on the economy. The reason they've done
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Speaker 7: it focus groups. Their focus groups show that people are
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Speaker 7: using words like nasty, negative and thuggish about Peter Dutton. Well,
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Speaker 7: a lot of people will always say nasty words about
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Speaker 7: all politicians. The danger in you repeating those words of
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Speaker 7: a couple of people in a focus group is if
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Speaker 7: you call him divisive and people agree with one or
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Speaker 7: two positions of his then the accusation is suddenly aimed
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Speaker 7: at them and they don't like that. And you know,
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Speaker 7: this is one of the secrets of someone like Donald Trump.
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Speaker 7: So it's a bit base, it's not very strategic. They
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Speaker 7: think it's strategic because they think it's playing into this
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Speaker 7: possible sentiment around him, just the same as Dutla and
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Speaker 7: Hasty and co.
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Speaker 1: Continue to call.
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Speaker 7: The PM week because that's what they hear in the
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Speaker 7: focus groups. But yeah, I just think they need to
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Speaker 7: stick to some thinking of some pretty positive policy that
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Speaker 7: can help win them an election, rather than going this negative,
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Speaker 7: this far out.
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Speaker 13: I think.
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Speaker 2: Also the other problem though, Andrew, is they put a
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Speaker 2: lot of effort for a number of you into Dutton
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Speaker 2: as a hard man. Then he suddenly becomes the opposition
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Speaker 2: leader and the Times suit him, you know, immigration issues,
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Speaker 2: issues about national security. They then run a line that
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Speaker 2: as Immigration Minister or Home Affairs Minister, he was hopeless,
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Speaker 2: he was weak, he was all of those things. Now
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Speaker 2: that doesn't stack up when you've built this retrog over
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Speaker 2: a number of years that he's tough. So now they've
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Speaker 2: reverted back to tough. I have heard other things, not
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Speaker 2: just that those words get thrown around in focus groups
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Speaker 2: and that's why they're amplifying them, but also that Dutton
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Speaker 2: is clearly ahead in these areas, so that they're trying
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Speaker 2: to say, Okay, you might think he's got a national
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Speaker 2: security but he's actually really negative, he's really divisive, he's nasty,
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Speaker 2: he's all of these things. So be careful what you
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Speaker 2: wish for in order to pull him back to the pack.
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Speaker 2: So I think this is a multi pronged approach. I
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Speaker 2: think they're getting desperate the sort of the hysteria now
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Speaker 2: from Jim Chalmers when he's got a lot of economic
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Speaker 2: stuff on his plate, but he can do a whole
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Speaker 2: speech about Peter Dutton. People say this as school guards,
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Speaker 2: school grounds. I think they want him focused on the economy.
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Speaker 1: I think it's back five.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think it was, and I certainly don't
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Speaker 7: think he's the guy he should be made to do it,
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Speaker 7: or if he wants to do it, doing it. And
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Speaker 7: look that dog whistle. I mean it probably is his
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Speaker 7: idea because he used the dog whistle term in the Parliament.
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Speaker 7: I mean that probably works well with the branch members
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Speaker 7: in rankin, but it doesn't work that well on the
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Speaker 7: rest of Queensland.
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Speaker 1: I would have thought, all right.
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Speaker 2: All credit today to the Education Minister Jason Claire. He's
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Speaker 2: going to wind back the intake of international students next year.
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Speaker 2: He's bringing it down by twenty thousand. I'd actually like
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Speaker 2: to see it come down more than that, he said.
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Speaker 2: And this is a big admission that migrants had been
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Speaker 2: using our education system as a backdoor to staying permanently
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Speaker 2: in Australia. If you look at the numbers in the
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Speaker 2: last twelve months to May this year, there were more
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Speaker 2: than eight hundred thou international students in Australia. No surprise.
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Speaker 2: Universities are squealing like cut cats. They're not happy about this.
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Speaker 2: Western Sydney United Vice Chancellor George Williams, former constitutional lawyer,
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Speaker 2: he says it could even be unconstitutional. Do you think
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Speaker 2: we'll actually get to see these cuts or will labor
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Speaker 2: back down?
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Speaker 7: No, they'll see them all right. And the government thinks
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Speaker 7: George Williams is wrong about that. And I think George
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Speaker 7: Williams was saying, if you don't have a cap for
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Speaker 7: every union in every state that they intend to that
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Speaker 7: I can reveal tonight to you, Peter. The cuts to
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Speaker 7: the Group of Eight in terms of international students and
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Speaker 7: how much they're going to both allow regional universities to
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Speaker 7: take more international students, which makes sense if you think
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Speaker 7: about the housing situation in Capital City. So twenty seven
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Speaker 7: percent they're going to cut the group of eight intake by.
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Speaker 1: How about that? So he made the point.
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Speaker 7: That the vocational education is cutting the numbers by twenty percent.
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Speaker 1: Units are slightly lesser about the same.
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Speaker 7: But where he's going to cart is places like Sidney UNI,
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Speaker 7: which has been controversial because forty five to fifty percent
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Speaker 7: of their students are now foreign students. Now, I don't
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Speaker 7: think that's what Sidney UNI was set up for. Frankly,
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Speaker 7: and these other universities, the top universities, they will have
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Speaker 7: to teach more Australians people who aren't foreign students. They're
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Speaker 7: getting a twenty seven percent cut. That's what I can
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Speaker 7: reveal to you tonight, Peter.
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Speaker 2: And no surprises too. I mean, when people are going
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Speaker 2: to those universities in the city, they're putting the housing
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Speaker 2: system under pressure. If they're going to a regional university
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Speaker 2: much less. So I think that's a good move by him.
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Speaker 2: Hey Green, Senator Marine Ferruki, she's used a quirk in
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Speaker 2: the way Senate committees work. There was a committee set
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Speaker 2: up to investigate anti Semitism. The permanent Greens member on
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Speaker 2: that committee is Senator David Shuebridge. Well, she's swapping him out.
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Speaker 2: She's going on the committee. She of course wasn't will
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Speaker 2: back in July to condemn Hamas.
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Speaker 7: Have a listen, does Hamas need to be dismantled?
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Speaker 14: The Palestinians need to decide where they want to go.
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Speaker 1: So if they choose Hamas, that's okay.
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Speaker 2: And what can I say?
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Speaker 1: I should have been dismantled.
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Speaker 14: Hamas is an organization that exists in the region.
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Speaker 1: Sure you're able to say, well, you'd like to see
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Speaker 1: them gone. I mean, it's not up to meet.
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Speaker 2: This is a farce.
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Speaker 7: Andrew, is she going to wear a kafa to the hearings?
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Speaker 7: I mean she's Pakistani, she's not Palestinian. I just yeah,
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Speaker 7: it's I would describe it as inflammatory. But look the Greens,
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Speaker 7: I mean they are pretty extreme on this stuff. You know,
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Speaker 7: they had a motion was put up which Labor by
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Speaker 7: the Liberals I think Labor supported in the Senate, and
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Speaker 7: the Greens got up and said they couldn't support it.
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Speaker 7: That Palestinian rhetoric on one and more, put on more
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Speaker 7: and more in canber The motion was to condemn it.
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Speaker 7: They wouldn't support that. So look, you know, David Chubridge
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Speaker 7: would be taking a stance which I'm sure others on
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Speaker 7: the committee or those against anti Semitism wouldn't like as
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Speaker 7: it is, but he would be a little bit more sensible,
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Speaker 7: I think than Marine. That looks like a decision of
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Speaker 7: the leadership. She's the deputy leader. I think it's pretty
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Speaker 7: inflammatory and I think, yeah, it'll certainly lead.
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Speaker 1: To a few stories. I think we'll be reporting on that.
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Speaker 7: So I can't see because she's so one eyed in
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Speaker 7: terms of the debate Marine, So I yeah, I'm really
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Speaker 7: interested to see how that plays out, and I think
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Speaker 7: it might play out in an ugly fashion. I mean,
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Speaker 7: one of the things the government says, which I think
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Speaker 7: is fair enough, is, you know, we've got to lower
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Speaker 7: the temperature in terms of this conflict here. Well, this
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Speaker 7: is certainly not doing that, is.
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Speaker 2: It not at all? And my suggestion to them would
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Speaker 2: be to remake the order, to put it into this
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Speaker 2: references committee, set it up as a select committee, an
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Speaker 2: expressly name each senator on that select committee. You can
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Speaker 2: leave the Greens completely offered if you want, but you
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Speaker 2: would be able to exclude her that way, that had
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Speaker 2: fixed it. I think they can't tolerate her being on
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Speaker 2: that committee because it's designed to, you know, have hearings
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Speaker 2: around the country. She'll invite a pro Palestinian mobbing with
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Speaker 2: her and lonely make the anti Semitism problem worse. Thanks Andrew,
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Speaker 2: thanks for your time. WI Let's go now to that
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Speaker 2: Veto billion dollar gold mine in central western New South
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Speaker 2: Wales because this is clearly turning it into another fiasco
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Speaker 2: for labor. Environment Minister Tanya Pleversek last week next to
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Speaker 2: the project under Indigenous heritage laws and a submission by
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Speaker 2: the artist Nyrine Reynolds, who admits she's only publicly begun
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Speaker 2: identifying as Wiradjuri, which is the local indigenous group later
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Speaker 2: in life. She had an affiliation with another group long
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Speaker 2: before for that. And we know that our opposition to
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Speaker 2: the mind went against that of local warudjury elders who
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Speaker 2: would earlier cleared the project to go ahead. Well, today
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister seemed to be backtracking on his government's
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Speaker 2: decision to halt the mine.
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Speaker 12: The gold mine can go ahead. What has happened is
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Speaker 12: a decision based upon a tailing stamp. Chris Minz would
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Speaker 12: like it to go ahead. I'd like to go ahead too.
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Speaker 12: There's nothing to stop it. There are other options that
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Speaker 12: the company put forward on the tailing stamp.
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Speaker 2: Spoken mirrors about the tailing dam of his no mind,
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Speaker 2: but you know, don't worry about some Manning's Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: It's getting more baffling by the day, isn't it. John Mean,
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Speaker 2: how to discuss at all, Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians,
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Speaker 2: Just inter nap and jimp price. Well, great to have
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Speaker 2: you as always, Just out, we'll get on to some
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Speaker 2: other issues because you've had a bit of a breakthrough
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Speaker 2: with elders up your way in Alice Springs. But this
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Speaker 2: whole issue of the mine, and make the point the
20:57
Speaker 2: Prime Minister wants to say, we're all for the mine.
21:00
Speaker 2: It's just the damn that's a problem. This is a
21:03
Speaker 2: bit of a mess. He looks like he's backtracking today.
21:06
Speaker 2: I think they underestimated the reaction to this, don't you think.
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Speaker 6: Oh look absolutely and look the Prime Minister is misleading
21:16
Speaker 6: Australians when he's suggesting that it can absolutely go ahead.
21:20
Speaker 6: The gold mine has said that they are unable to
21:23
Speaker 6: it's unviable for them to attempt to look for another
21:27
Speaker 6: location for their tailings dam given the fact that they'd
21:31
Speaker 6: been given all the approvals required to move forward. And
21:34
Speaker 6: at the eleventh hour we've got an individual who know,
21:38
Speaker 6: we're really not too sure about her background, but it
21:40
Speaker 6: seems that anybody can get up now and call themselves
21:44
Speaker 6: indigenous or belong to a particular tribe that they found
21:47
Speaker 6: out later in life, and therefore that's justification enough for
21:50
Speaker 6: them to put an end to a billion dollar project
21:53
Speaker 6: that's going to provide over eight hundred and seventy jobs
21:56
Speaker 6: in the region. It's utterly it's become a circus and
22:00
Speaker 6: you know, the Prime Minister should be absolutely embarrassed with
22:03
Speaker 6: himself that once again the Environmental Defender's Office is behind
22:09
Speaker 6: yet another what appears to be, you know, illegitimate individuals
22:16
Speaker 6: who are making applications to put an end to these
22:22
Speaker 6: to these projects that we need in Australia.
22:27
Speaker 2: Isn't that part of a broader problem, you know, just
22:31
Speaker 2: into that people now can basically claim whatever indigenity they
22:36
Speaker 2: might like. There used to be a community owned or
22:39
Speaker 2: tribone test. It used to accord with the Marbo provisions,
22:44
Speaker 2: but that seems now to have been sort of removed
22:49
Speaker 2: and that's a risk going forward for Aboriginal people, isn't it.
22:54
Speaker 6: Absolutely it's a huge concern for various different Aboriginal groups.
22:59
Speaker 6: And you know, the war amongst those who are most
23:01
Speaker 6: concerned where they seems to happen all the time. There
23:04
Speaker 6: are those who are working hard in the background. There
23:07
Speaker 6: are those who are part of the Orange Aboriginal Land Council,
23:12
Speaker 6: who are the authority, the legal authority to represent the
23:16
Speaker 6: traditional owners in the area who are being completely overlooked.
23:21
Speaker 6: And you know, this is why we need to actually
23:24
Speaker 6: look at serving Australians on the basis of need instead
23:27
Speaker 6: of race, because there are opportunists that come along that
23:31
Speaker 6: take advantage of what is supposed to be for Indigenous
23:35
Speaker 6: Australians and we're.
23:36
Speaker 2: Seeing that more and more as the year as we
23:40
Speaker 2: go forward.
23:40
Speaker 6: I mean, you can identify as just about anything these days,
23:44
Speaker 6: and you can sway a federal government to make decisions
23:48
Speaker 6: on that identity. So you know, it's all very ideologically driven.
23:53
Speaker 6: We've got to get back to a common sense, practical
23:55
Speaker 6: approach to addressing these problems so that we're not putting
23:59
Speaker 6: an end to our you know, the projects that develop
24:02
Speaker 6: our economy.
24:05
Speaker 2: I don't think we on the right are surprised by this,
24:07
Speaker 2: because anyone can even be a woman these days that
24:09
Speaker 2: there's now this identity politics theft that's happening here that's
24:14
Speaker 2: driven by the left. But let's go to what you've
24:17
Speaker 2: been doing today. You've met with a group of Indigenous
24:19
Speaker 2: women on the ground in Alice Springs. They want the
24:23
Speaker 2: PM to urgely intervene with land councils. They argue they
24:27
Speaker 2: are no longer fit for purpose. Here's what some of
24:30
Speaker 2: the women you met with had to say.
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Speaker 14: I would like to call on the Prime Minister of
24:36
Speaker 14: Australia and in the Albanisi to come and help us
24:41
Speaker 14: with administration and a full inquiry into the Central Land Council.
24:47
Speaker 14: Were there in a land right tack is there to
24:51
Speaker 14: reassure us that we hold certain night to our land
24:56
Speaker 14: and for our voices to be heard accordingly. And this
25:01
Speaker 14: is not happening.
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Speaker 2: He said, we needed to put it in the constitution
25:08
Speaker 2: in order to listen properly to local voices. They are
25:12
Speaker 2: local voices. Is he going to listen? Oh?
25:18
Speaker 6: The Prime Minister likes to pick and choose who he's
25:20
Speaker 6: going to listen to, to those that actually speak to
25:24
Speaker 6: his agenda, and that's half the problem. That's what the
25:26
Speaker 6: voice was going to be all about, picking and choosing
25:29
Speaker 6: individuals that were going to help the left agenda as
25:31
Speaker 6: opposed to listening to those vulnerable voices that rarely are heard.
25:37
Speaker 6: And it's our job as elected parliamentarians to ensure that
25:40
Speaker 6: they are heard. And that's exactly what I wanted to
25:43
Speaker 6: be able to do with our three senior elders from
25:48
Speaker 6: Alice Springs out under, women who feel like their rights
25:52
Speaker 6: have been ripped away from them by the Central Land Council.
25:55
Speaker 6: This is why we've been calling for an inquiry now
25:57
Speaker 6: for months. The Greens have blocked it, the Labor has
26:01
Speaker 6: blocked it. We've got some of the cross Bench David
26:05
Speaker 6: Pocock and others who.
26:06
Speaker 2: Have blocked it.
26:07
Speaker 6: And these are all the people that desperately wanted the
26:10
Speaker 6: voice and yet are prepared not to listen to these
26:14
Speaker 6: women and those whose lives have been affected by these bureaucracies,
26:19
Speaker 6: these mass bureaucracies where there are concerns with bullying, intimidation,
26:25
Speaker 6: you know, all kinds of conduct that go against certainly
26:28
Speaker 6: the acts they're supposed to be govern under.
26:33
Speaker 2: And I don't think a lot of Australians understand the
26:35
Speaker 2: amount of money and power that these land councils have
26:39
Speaker 2: because they and they almost run like a fift them,
26:43
Speaker 2: don't they In some communities, you know, the same mod
26:46
Speaker 2: the same families that have the control. And I've sat
26:49
Speaker 2: there at some Land Council meetings, particularly women you center
26:53
Speaker 2: are completely shut out.
26:57
Speaker 6: Yes, and that can happen, and that's why the women
27:00
Speaker 6: one of their voices heard. I mean, they were also
27:02
Speaker 6: standing up for the chair of the Central Land Council
27:06
Speaker 6: who feels as though that he's been bullied and intimidated
27:10
Speaker 6: into a position because he tried to pass a motion
27:13
Speaker 6: at their last full council. And there's all kinds of
27:16
Speaker 6: stuff going on behind the scenes now. But one of
27:19
Speaker 6: their concerns is also the fact that these organizations, these
27:23
Speaker 6: bureaucracies pit families against one another and have a lot
27:27
Speaker 6: to answer for in terms of the family violence that's
27:30
Speaker 6: occurring in some of these remote communities and the way
27:34
Speaker 6: that royalties is distributed. You know, we need to have
27:37
Speaker 6: an inquiry so these voices can be heard. We need
27:41
Speaker 6: to look at Native Title and the Land Rights Act
27:44
Speaker 6: to see how we can help those especially here where
27:48
Speaker 6: the gap is greatest in Central Australia, for traditional owners
27:51
Speaker 6: to become entrepreneurs and business people.
27:54
Speaker 2: And job creators in their.
27:55
Speaker 6: Own right instead of landlocked, land rich and dirt poor
27:59
Speaker 6: in this country. Times come and we need the relevant change.
28:03
Speaker 2: To take place.
28:04
Speaker 6: So you know, this is why these ladies called on
28:06
Speaker 6: Anthony Albanezi to step up as a leader, for Minister
28:10
Speaker 6: McCarthy to step up and ensure that we undergo an
28:14
Speaker 6: inquiry throughout Australia.
28:16
Speaker 2: You know, don't get me wrong. There are land councils doing.
28:19
Speaker 6: A great job and they should be highlighted. But we
28:22
Speaker 6: need an inquiry to understand who is doing a great
28:25
Speaker 6: job and who requires reform.
28:31
Speaker 2: Sunlight, they say, is the best disinfectant. Just enterprise. Thank
28:35
Speaker 2: you all right after the break a question on multiculturalism
28:39
Speaker 2: last time of the ABC being called racist today was
28:43
Speaker 2: it I'll play you they grab in a moment, plus
28:47
Speaker 2: escalating violence across Europe and why people are demanding something
28:51
Speaker 2: changes when it comes to asylum seeker policies as terror
28:55
Speaker 2: attacks increase. Welcome back to Lakarma. Despite Labour's wet letters
29:04
Speaker 2: response to serious accusations of illegality in the CFWU, the
29:09
Speaker 2: unions are still in uproar, shutting down construction sites across
29:12
Speaker 2: the Country's day in a show of defiance talk of
29:15
Speaker 2: a court case there as well. But first, last night
29:18
Speaker 2: on an ABC's Q and A program, one of the
29:20
Speaker 2: audience members asked a question about multiculturalism that was swiftly
29:25
Speaker 2: labeled as blatantly racist. Do you judge for yourself?
29:30
Speaker 15: My children, now almost thirty and thirty four, went to
29:33
Speaker 15: the local state public school and were dictated to that
29:37
Speaker 15: multi culturalism is a great thing. I don't believe it is,
29:41
Speaker 15: as I feel that the culture of the original British
29:44
Speaker 15: slash Irish majority has been demonized constantly for the last
29:49
Speaker 15: three decades. Case in point, frequent vandalism of memorials to
29:53
Speaker 15: Captain Cook, how does this? How does democracy fit into
29:57
Speaker 15: this atmosphere of beat up the white guy?
30:01
Speaker 2: To discuss this and Mores Guards contributor chrisy Yelman, Well,
30:06
Speaker 2: I asoly agree with her, Chris on those points about
30:08
Speaker 2: the desecration of monuments. Surely it helps to have open,
30:14
Speaker 2: frank conversations about some of these difficult issues and questions.
30:19
Speaker 2: As that woman poses that the pendulum has swung too far,
30:23
Speaker 2: rather than shout people down as racists, you've bet at
30:27
Speaker 2: the ABC, how do you see it?
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Speaker 11: Well, Peter, I certainly agree that that's not a racist question.
30:33
Speaker 11: It's not racist question government policy, and it might be
30:37
Speaker 11: bipartisan policy, it certainly is. But people have a right
30:40
Speaker 11: if they want to question government policies and to do
30:43
Speaker 11: so in a robust way. I've always supported that kind
30:45
Speaker 11: of free speech. That woman's expressing a point of view
30:49
Speaker 11: that I think quite a few people might express in
30:51
Speaker 11: the community. It is wise, I think, to have debates
30:54
Speaker 11: about these things. I don't think though, that she needs
30:57
Speaker 11: to look to the local immigrant community for people who
30:59
Speaker 11: are vangelizing Staff Peter. She might go to local Humanity's
31:02
Speaker 11: apartment department to do that. One of the things I
31:05
Speaker 11: fear about what's happened to our society is that culture
31:08
Speaker 11: that she's talking about, which came from our British heritage,
31:11
Speaker 11: which is there, which can't be denied allowed, the kind
31:15
Speaker 11: of society which was open enough to open its borders
31:18
Speaker 11: up the Second World War in particular, and take a
31:20
Speaker 11: vast number of people from a vast number of places,
31:23
Speaker 11: and to do so peacefully. And I don't think that
31:25
Speaker 11: people do get credit for that. The host population never
31:28
Speaker 11: gets any credit for that, nor did the institutions which
31:31
Speaker 11: allow that. And at the moment, there are some who
31:33
Speaker 11: would rip up every flagstone of our civilization, and I
31:37
Speaker 11: certainly feel very hostile towards that point worldview. Now, I
31:41
Speaker 11: don't disagree with people's right to want to even think
31:44
Speaker 11: that in Australia, but we should look at where the
31:46
Speaker 11: right to do those things comes from. And where the
31:49
Speaker 11: right to do those things comes from are the institutions
31:52
Speaker 11: that were set up by the British, and that's part
31:54
Speaker 11: of our heritage and the currency, lads and lessons of
31:57
Speaker 11: which that woman is one. So the Australian who were
32:00
Speaker 11: part of that community sometimes came feel very left out
32:03
Speaker 11: of these conversations.
32:06
Speaker 2: And as she says, rightly demonized or wrongly demonized. I
32:10
Speaker 2: should say last week we talked about this ridiculous notion
32:14
Speaker 2: that that sympathy or rhetorical support for Harmas isn't necessarily
32:19
Speaker 2: a deal breaker when it comes to applying for a
32:21
Speaker 2: visa to Australia. Now it clearly struck a nerve. John
32:25
Speaker 2: Howard today weighing in telling Greg Sheridan, where you've got
32:28
Speaker 2: a body that's a declared terrorist organization? He says, I
32:32
Speaker 2: don't think for a moment that someone who has declared
32:34
Speaker 2: support for that organization should come to Australia. He was
32:39
Speaker 2: also incredulous that Labor hasn't cleared up this mess. Now
32:43
Speaker 2: I'm with him on this, Chris. The government's let this
32:46
Speaker 2: hang out there for a number of weeks now, and
32:49
Speaker 2: that says to me, if they haven't shut it down,
32:51
Speaker 2: if they haven't said this is some sort of overreach
32:55
Speaker 2: from the AZO chief. This must clearly be government pop.
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Speaker 11: And I think again, you know, I would make a
33:04
Speaker 11: distinction between the things that people think and the things
33:06
Speaker 11: that people do. I would suspect though, that if you
33:08
Speaker 11: declared support for hamas doing an immigration interview with any official,
33:13
Speaker 11: and you're coming to Australia and you're coming from that
33:15
Speaker 11: part of the world, there'd be more than one question
33:17
Speaker 11: after that, Patter, I doubt very much that question should
33:20
Speaker 11: be left to hang. And interestingly enough, I note that
33:22
Speaker 11: a Guardian pole an essential pole, finds the forty four
33:25
Speaker 11: percent of Australians agree with Peter Dutton on having it
33:29
Speaker 11: pause from immigration for that part of the world. So
33:31
Speaker 11: Peter Dutton knew what he was doing when he said it,
33:34
Speaker 11: because he was going to get ahead on from a
33:36
Speaker 11: lot of people because of the nature of that conflict
33:39
Speaker 11: and how fierce it is, there would be a concern
33:41
Speaker 11: that people are radicalized. Now those people also are clearly refugees,
33:45
Speaker 11: so the world does have to deal with them and
33:47
Speaker 11: Australia has always been generous on that front. But I
33:50
Speaker 11: certainly understand the sentiments of people who think that they
33:53
Speaker 11: shouldn't come. And again I think that it's a debate
33:56
Speaker 11: that's worth having and it's abatean it's been very badly
33:58
Speaker 11: handled by the government. You know. Again, one of the
34:01
Speaker 11: things that we see with this government it is to
34:04
Speaker 11: very flat foot it when it comes to responding to
34:06
Speaker 11: these kinds of things. I know that you've spoken in
34:08
Speaker 11: the past about the fix that you had in terms
34:11
Speaker 11: of doing the Howard government is on the kind of
34:14
Speaker 11: way that you could deal with people like this, and
34:16
Speaker 11: I don't think they've done a good job with that.
34:20
Speaker 2: What did you make of the attacker in Germany over
34:22
Speaker 2: the weekend? Three dead, eight injured Syrian refugee now confessing
34:27
Speaker 2: to the murders. Isis Islamic States claimed responsibility and has
34:32
Speaker 2: now set off a massive new debate in Germany about migration.
34:36
Speaker 2: A lot of frustration at the Chancellor Ola Schultz he
34:40
Speaker 2: is now saying he wants to question the government's so
34:43
Speaker 2: silent policy. There are some upcoming elections in Germany. The
34:47
Speaker 2: far right is gaining ground Europe's at tinderbox. We saw
34:51
Speaker 2: obviously a synagogue torched in France, a bloke wearing a
34:56
Speaker 2: Palestinian flag as he fled the building. This is the
34:59
Speaker 2: result of not dealing with these issues transparently and with
35:04
Speaker 2: safety at the forefront, rather than hand ringing faux humanitarianism.
35:11
Speaker 11: I believe back in twenty sixteen that angle and Merkle
35:14
Speaker 11: allowed a million people to come across her borders in
35:18
Speaker 11: one year. Her slogan then was we can't handle this.
35:21
Speaker 11: And I thought at the time it's going to be
35:22
Speaker 11: very difficult to handle over a long period of time
35:24
Speaker 11: because you can't allow that kind of mass immigration and
35:28
Speaker 11: imagine that there's not going to be any reaction inside
35:30
Speaker 11: the community. And the more I look at Angla Merkle
35:34
Speaker 11: as a leader of Germany, I think that she was disastrous.
35:37
Speaker 11: If you get defense policy wrong, and immigration policy wrong,
35:40
Speaker 11: and energy policy wrong, there's really not much left in
35:42
Speaker 11: terms of being a national leader. And I would say
35:45
Speaker 11: that in terms of the way that she was trying
35:46
Speaker 11: to deal with Russia in the way that she allowed
35:48
Speaker 11: her country to be dependent on Russian gas because she
35:51
Speaker 11: set up an energy system that didn't work without it,
35:53
Speaker 11: and a million people marketed across the borders. I think
35:55
Speaker 11: it's time for a biggery of valuation of her as
35:59
Speaker 11: a chancellor and or right. What happens is it does
36:01
Speaker 11: fan voices of discontent inside the community and the more
36:05
Speaker 11: examples that they'll take any example. Again, you can't demonize
36:09
Speaker 11: an entire immigrant population of the actions of one or
36:12
Speaker 11: two people. However, you can understand the rage that comes
36:15
Speaker 11: from the community when they're asked to deal with such
36:19
Speaker 11: a redshing population change in such a short period of
36:22
Speaker 11: time was always going to be a difficult thing to manage.
36:28
Speaker 2: And in Germany, like these visas to Gazans. In Australia,
36:33
Speaker 2: they're not disclosed, they're not put to a vote. People
36:35
Speaker 2: don't get a say, and I think that the agency
36:38
Speaker 2: being stripped away from voters in a democracy is also
36:41
Speaker 2: fueling the anger.
36:44
Speaker 11: Yeah, Peter, I think that again we have to have
36:46
Speaker 11: open debates about these things. It is reasonable for people
36:49
Speaker 11: if they see that their society is under assault. And
36:51
Speaker 11: again I don't know that it's always under assault from
36:53
Speaker 11: the immigrants. I think it's under assault from the local
36:55
Speaker 11: humanities department at the university. I think that's where a
36:58
Speaker 11: lot of is really, really bad ideas are coming from.
37:01
Speaker 11: When you talk about the denigration of our past, I
37:05
Speaker 11: think we have an interesting past. I think we have
37:06
Speaker 11: a difficult past. I think we should discuss it and
37:09
Speaker 11: come and reconcile with it. But I think that we
37:11
Speaker 11: should keep those things which are a good part of it. Now,
37:14
Speaker 11: what we're seeing is the dismantling of those ideas by
37:18
Speaker 11: people who offer us nothing in return. You know, they
37:20
Speaker 11: make a wasteland and call this progress, some of these people.
37:23
Speaker 11: So I genuinely think that the only way to deal
37:26
Speaker 11: with this in the kind of society that we have
37:28
Speaker 11: is by being really robust in the debates that we have.
37:31
Speaker 11: And the woman that we saw at the beginning of
37:33
Speaker 11: this program has serious questions in her own mind about
37:36
Speaker 11: multiculturalism as a policy. Other people have questions about immigration.
37:39
Speaker 11: It is not racist to raise these things, nor should
37:42
Speaker 11: people be surprised when they feel like there is a
37:45
Speaker 11: group in their society, And as I say, not always inigants,
37:49
Speaker 11: but those who essentially are constantly denigrating the lives that
37:55
Speaker 11: they lead in the history that they have. You know,
37:58
Speaker 11: everyone in Australia has a right to be proud of
38:00
Speaker 11: their particular history. And I'm proud of the Germans and
38:03
Speaker 11: the Irish Catholics that are part of mine. They are
38:05
Speaker 11: what I would call the currency lads and lasses who
38:08
Speaker 11: occupied this country before the Second World War. There are
38:10
Speaker 11: a lot of problems with them, but boy, they set
38:12
Speaker 11: up a society which was so profoundly welcoming that allowed
38:17
Speaker 11: great changes to a society. In the course of my lifetime,
38:20
Speaker 11: Australia has changed very much, and I think those people
38:23
Speaker 11: deserve some credit, massive credit.
38:27
Speaker 2: We are the MBA of the world. Chris and I
38:29
Speaker 2: will not be embarrassed about our history. I'm not Pollyanna,
38:32
Speaker 2: and I look at it with rose colored glasses. But yes,
38:36
Speaker 2: the difficult patches, but we are incredibly resilient and we
38:39
Speaker 2: have so much to be proud of. And John Howard
38:43
Speaker 2: called it the black bad view of history. I think
38:46
Speaker 2: it's that more these days. Enjoy Washington. Thanks for your time.
38:50
Speaker 2: Up the break. More charges have been laid against Labour's
38:53
Speaker 2: freed criminal detainees, plus to see if WU not going
38:59
Speaker 2: quietly welcome back, still calm, We'll go to the US.
39:06
Speaker 2: Robert Kennedy Junior's endorsement of Donald Trump will at help
39:09
Speaker 2: the campaign. What about this talk that he's trying to
39:12
Speaker 2: pull out of the debate with Kamala Harris or is
39:15
Speaker 2: she the one who's trying to pull the pin. We'll
39:17
Speaker 2: get into all of that, but first, more evidence that
39:19
Speaker 2: Labour's putting community safety at risk, and it relates to
39:22
Speaker 2: information released today that confirms since the reintroduction of bridging
39:26
Speaker 2: visas back in March, the Federal Police have charged twenty
39:30
Speaker 2: eight former detainees. So these are the foreign criminals released
39:34
Speaker 2: last year by Labor with breaching bowel conditions included here
39:38
Speaker 2: and this is where there's the most concern. Thirteen offenses
39:42
Speaker 2: for failing to stay away from schools and other educational facilities.
39:47
Speaker 2: Joining me in our shadow Attorney General Macaylia cash Well,
39:51
Speaker 2: you gave them the laws, Mikaylia, back before Christmas to
39:54
Speaker 2: have these emergency preventative detention powers. Not once have they
40:01
Speaker 2: used them, Peter.
40:04
Speaker 16: Australians need to understand this is a government that is
40:08
Speaker 16: prepared to put the rights of child sex offenders before
40:15
Speaker 16: the safety and security of Australians. And you are right.
40:19
Speaker 16: We were told in December these laws needed to be
40:22
Speaker 16: rushed through the parliament because the Albanizi government needed to
40:27
Speaker 16: use them. And yet months after months after month, minister
40:33
Speaker 16: after now new minister, they sit there and they make excuses.
40:38
Speaker 16: Quite frankly, enough is enough. I don't know about you, Peter.
40:43
Speaker 16: I've got no time for child sex offenders, and in
40:47
Speaker 16: particular child sex offenders that have no right to be
40:51
Speaker 16: in this country. So Australia wake up. Mister Albanizi and
40:57
Speaker 16: his government placed the rights of child's sex offenders quite
41:01
Speaker 16: frankly above the shafety insecurity of Australians.
41:06
Speaker 2: It is not good enough, and you better be careful.
41:10
Speaker 2: Jim Charmers will tomorrow say you're dangerous, your device terribly native.
41:16
Speaker 2: Why don't they just do their day job. If they
41:19
Speaker 2: did their jobs, I wouldn't have to point out any
41:21
Speaker 2: of these problems.
41:23
Speaker 17: This is just it.
41:24
Speaker 16: You asked us to rush the laws through the parliament.
41:27
Speaker 16: We say to you, let's just pause for five minutes.
41:30
Speaker 16: We can see a number of flaws in the law.
41:33
Speaker 16: We make the laws better, and then they do absolutely
41:39
Speaker 16: nothing with them. And Peter, what I just say to
41:41
Speaker 16: Australians now is this. You've got a choice, and that
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Speaker 16: choice can be exercised at the next election. You have
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Speaker 16: a government that by its actions now show they are
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Speaker 16: prepared to put the rights of child sex offenders above
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Speaker 16: the shafety insecure huity of Australians. You either vote for
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Speaker 16: Peter Dutton, who time and time again shows Australians he
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Speaker 16: will only ever put their interests first, or and the all,
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Speaker 16: quite frankly, is now unacceptable. I had no time for
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Speaker 16: child sex offenders and I don't believe Australians do either.
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Speaker 2: I've got to grab you with another component of your responsibilities.
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Speaker 2: This is industrial relations. We've seen these massive protests today.
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Speaker 2: The CFW, you banded together with other unions, are out
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Speaker 2: marching and so called solidarity. There's talk of the High
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Speaker 2: Court challenge. They had the Green's MP front Max Chandler Mather.
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Speaker 2: He was calling out the government's movements on putting them
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Speaker 2: into administration, giving them a lot of comfort and sucker.
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Speaker 2: What's happening here? Is there a reguard action? Do you think?
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Speaker 15: So?
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Speaker 16: Let's be very very clear. The construction industry industry ground
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Speaker 16: to a halt today and the blame for that lies
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Speaker 16: squarely at the feet of Anthony Albernesi. In the first instance,
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Speaker 16: as you well know, Labor fought against us when we're
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Speaker 16: in government every step of the way. When we tried
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Speaker 16: to clean up the construction industry in Australia. This Labor Party,
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Speaker 16: who are now in government, they condoned and they facilitated
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Speaker 16: the actions of the militant CFMEO administration was only ever
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Speaker 16: a first step. We have always said to Anthony Albernizi,
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Speaker 16: if you want to clean up the sector in two
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Speaker 16: weeks time, Peter, when the Parliament returns on day one,
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Speaker 16: on that Monday, let's restore the tough coop on the
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Speaker 16: beat the Australian Building and Construction Commission. But we can
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Speaker 16: also pass the former coalition government's Ensuring Integrity Bill, which
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Speaker 16: would give the Federal Court once and for all the
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Speaker 16: power to deal with rogue union officials. So in the
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Speaker 16: first instance, mister albin easy, look what you've done to
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Speaker 16: construction in Australia. It's ground to a halt and the
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Speaker 16: only people paying the price, Peter, are the Australian taxpayer.
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Speaker 16: But this is now a real.
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Speaker 18: Test of the Prime Minister's integrity where you dink and
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Speaker 18: when you said you wanted to clean up the construction industry,
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Speaker 18: or where you're just pulling the wool over Australian's eyes.
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Speaker 16: And in two weeks time, there's going to be some boats, Peter,
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Speaker 16: and let's see what the Prime Minister of Australia does.
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Speaker 16: I'm putting money on the fact that he backs in
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Speaker 16: the CEMU every step of the way.
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Speaker 2: I think I'm backing your call there, Macallia Cash. Thank you.
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Speaker 2: After break, Donald Trump, m Kamala Harris. Are they going
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Speaker 2: to debate who's going to plank first? And why they
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Speaker 2: marches across the streets of the West. Is the caliban
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Speaker 2: arose the rights of women? We'll get to that as well. Well,
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Speaker 2: let's bring you my panel on our international panel. SKA
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Speaker 2: News contribute to koshagad Our former Labor MP Michael Danby. Well,
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Speaker 2: this on and off again debate talk September ten was
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Speaker 2: when and this was a great long time ago under
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Speaker 2: President Biden and Donald Trump at the time, there would
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Speaker 2: be two debates. There would be particular rules about these debates.
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Speaker 2: The second debates due on September ten. But now Kamala
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Speaker 2: Harris wants to change the rules. What can you tell us?
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Speaker 13: It's really interesting, so that what the rules that had
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Speaker 13: been agreed to that she's switching.
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Speaker 2: It's a few things.
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Speaker 13: So she wants the microphones to be on rather than off.
45:41
Speaker 13: We could surmise why, maybe we know that Trump tends
45:44
Speaker 13: to be a little bit radic and that would work
45:45
Speaker 13: in her favorite but she try and push him and
45:47
Speaker 13: try to push that in. But also, bizarrely, she wants
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Speaker 13: notes at the debate and she wants it to be
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Speaker 13: a sit down format. Reportedly, there are conflicting reports on this,
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Speaker 13: which doesn't even sound like good TV. So one can
45:57
Speaker 13: think that there's some method to that madness in terms
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Speaker 13: of what she wants out of it. One could think
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Speaker 13: that it's a confidence issue and she's trying to run
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Speaker 13: out the clock by suggesting to people, Yeah, she's willing
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Speaker 13: to debate, but she's just trying to line up on
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Speaker 13: the rules. And then we've got seventy d's ticking away,
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Speaker 13: and I think it's a combination of all that. I
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Speaker 13: do think ultimately they will debate, because the incentives will align.
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Speaker 13: If she hides out for seventy d's, I just think
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Speaker 13: the pressure will be too much to bear, and it's
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Speaker 13: in Trump's interest to force her into an unscripted moment,
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Speaker 13: so it will happen. The question is how many concessions
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Speaker 13: will be made.
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Speaker 2: Robert Kennedy Junior is Democrat. Royalty to their family is
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Speaker 2: how do you think his endorsement of Donald Trump's going
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Speaker 2: to play out?
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Speaker 8: Carl Rove and Franklin say he's on four or five
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Speaker 8: percent and that if you can transfer one percent of
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Speaker 8: that in the swing states to Trump, that will go
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Speaker 8: against the Democrats. I think he's a bit of an
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Speaker 8: odd ball. I mean, if they were going to use
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Speaker 8: the word with it, it wouldn't be about Trump, it'd
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Speaker 8: be about him. I certainly don't agree with his or
46:59
Speaker 8: Tuck Colson's isolations views on NATO or Ukraine, and I
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Speaker 8: hope that the future Republicans, if they're elected, don't listen
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Speaker 8: to them.
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Speaker 2: Tulsa Gabbat, I'll comment from him. He's also endorsed Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: Have a listen.
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Speaker 19: This administration has us facing multiple wars on multiple fronts
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Speaker 19: and regions around the world, and closer to the brink
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Speaker 19: of nuclear war than we ever have been before. This
47:29
Speaker 19: is one of the main reasons why I'm committed to
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Speaker 19: doing all that I can to send President Trump back
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Speaker 19: to the White House.
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Speaker 2: You gave me this suggestion, I called her or him,
47:39
Speaker 2: Although I suppose it doesn't matter these days if everyone whatever,
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Speaker 2: But why is this such an important endorsement?
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Speaker 13: So she's another in the vein of RFK Junior. She
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Speaker 13: was a congresswoman elected to Hawaii. She's a veteran, was
47:52
Speaker 13: in the Democrat Party and subsequently left the Democrat Party,
47:56
Speaker 13: became an independent and now is endorsing. So altogether, if
47:59
Speaker 13: you look at our K Junior, you look at her
48:01
Speaker 13: and even more broadly, non political figures like Elon Musk
48:03
Speaker 13: and others who tended to be a little bit more
48:05
Speaker 13: on the left coming together. It's creating this force multiplier
48:09
Speaker 13: effect that actually Trump is the candidate of unity right now,
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Speaker 13: and he's bringing these people in from over across the aisle,
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Speaker 13: and it really is a far cry from where things
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Speaker 13: started in his political career nine years ago, where even
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Speaker 13: died in the Republicans denounced him and renounced him a
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Speaker 13: lot of them. And now fast forward to nine years
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Speaker 13: you see all these people coming in and I think,
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Speaker 13: just it's going to create a permission structure that's going
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Speaker 13: to make it a little bit more palatable for some
48:29
Speaker 13: of those independent voters or slightly moderate central left voters
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Speaker 13: to come on board.
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Speaker 2: I think I put an interesting greb from somebody inside
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Speaker 2: the Donald Trump administration about how he dealt with national
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Speaker 2: security when he was the president. Have a listen to these.
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Speaker 17: President Trump looked at at the Taliban leader and said this,
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Speaker 17: I want to leave Afghanistan, but it's going to be
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Speaker 17: a conditions based withdrawal and translator transmitted and he said,
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Speaker 17: if you harm a hair on a single American, I'm
48:58
Speaker 17: going to kill you. He reached in his pocket, pulled
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Speaker 17: out a satellite photo of the leader of the Taliban's
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Speaker 17: home and handed it to Do you know, for eighteen months,
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Speaker 17: not a single American was killed in Afghanistan.
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Speaker 2: Now a lot of people have verified this is accurate.
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Speaker 2: This is how hard Trump played it. And I've sat
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Speaker 2: in meetings with Afghan leaders in our base in Afghanistan.
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Speaker 2: They're pretty despicable people, So I think that's the sort
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Speaker 2: of game you're going to play with them. But we
49:30
Speaker 2: know at the moment, women in Taliban in Afghanistan under
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Speaker 2: orders of the Taliban, don't just have to now cover
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Speaker 2: their faces and have absolutely no public humanity. They're not
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Speaker 2: allowed to even speak anymore.
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Speaker 13: Some stark stuff that's coming back into the full There
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Speaker 13: was something a couple of months ago, and it's just
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Speaker 13: ticking further in that authoritarian sort of approach. I think
49:52
Speaker 13: it's an interesting reminder in terms of what it means
49:54
Speaker 13: for us. It really does put in contrast how good
49:57
Speaker 13: women actually have it in the West, and sometimes I
49:59
Speaker 13: think people should be grateful to that, because we see
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Speaker 13: a lot of complaining by women in the worst about
50:04
Speaker 13: the patriarchy and all that. It's also a reminder of
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Speaker 13: immigration policy a little bit, because you see what these
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Speaker 13: deep millennial old cultures and religious ideologies are like actually
50:13
Speaker 13: thinking about women. Yeah, yeah, and we are bringing that in.
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Speaker 13: Not that everybody's like that, but that's just the harsh reality.
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Speaker 13: And I also think it's a reminder about the never
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Speaker 13: ending wars that were fought in that region, treasure and
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Speaker 13: troops that were spent over there and what.
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Speaker 2: For what what? Hey, just quickly, Japan and China, there's
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Speaker 2: been some class.
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Speaker 8: Yes, the Chinese flowness spy plane over Japan for the
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Speaker 8: first time, and Tokyo scrambled its air force to handle it.
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Speaker 8: So the Americans are down a carrier in East Asia,
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Speaker 8: on station in the Persian Gulf, and I think the
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Speaker 8: Chinese are pushing the door.
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Speaker 2: Wow, well, thank you both. All Right, that's it for me.
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Speaker 2: He's Andrew