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TWR Thursday | The Return of Chuck Boris · The Whitfield Report

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  Now broadcasting from the next-gen conservative studio in
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  Sunny South Florida, bringing you the latest in politics
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  current events and pop culture. This is he's the Whitfield
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  Report with Sam Whitfield. Hey folks, welcome to the
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  Thursday edition of the show. I'm your host Sam Whitfield and
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  joining us for the Thursday edition of my show.
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  Is someone who has been a guest multiple times on this show and
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  we've kind of had an interesting past together.
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  As you guys can, no doubt, tell from the title of this episode
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  check, Boris is my guest and checking I have a long history
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  going back to the early days of Owen, Benjamin group before it
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  became a cult and there was a bunch of stuff that happened
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  with that and then check and I kind of split for a lack of, you
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  know, about determined. There was a lot of stuff that he
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  went through kind of on his own. And a lot of people have asked
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  me some questions about that time and rather than trying, you
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  know, answer, you know, give answers as to I thought would
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  you know, have them with him. There's been a lot of
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  misinformation so I just figured I would bring him on to kind of
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  tell his side of things and you know regarding the Bears and
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  regarding other things. Happened.
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  So anyway, I'm going to bring Chuck in here and Chuck, welcome
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  back to the show, it's been a while.
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  How are you doing after bit been better?
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  To tell you the truth, but thank you for having me.
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  I appreciate it. So no problem.
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  So I guess it's been a long time and I know that a lot of people
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  do know, kind of history, but for those who are kind of I
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  guess new to the, you know, podcast or new to you, or Just
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  in general, I guess how did you get started in YouTube just in
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  general and I guess commentary or content creation as it were
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  well I guess I'll give a brief a brief bio of myself.
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  Born in 1985 in San Diego, California, moved back and forth
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  between New Jersey and California few times.
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  He's in that Year's at least once.
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  But I remember some of my early life being in the home where I
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  currently live and I remember a lot from California but came out
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  to New Jersey for good when I was three years old.
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  Lived here, all my life. So let's fast forward.
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  A bunch in the early days of YouTube.
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  You know, when YouTube first started, it was not the monster.
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  It is today. YouTube was a very small
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  platform. Didn't have a lot of content on
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  it, especially in way of people doing covers and everything
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  else. I think one of the First videos
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  I ever uploaded which is still on my channel if you look hard
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  enough is a cover that I did of the end theme to The Ren and
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  Stimpy show which is called Big house blues and I think that was
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  the first video I ever made for YouTube and it's still up and I
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  think it still has more views than then a lot of my videos but
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  a lot of other covers of of that song even though it's crappy and
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  it that the camera sucked and the audio sucked but that's kind
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  of how I got started in. It is it's always kind of a
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  musician by Nature creative type.
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  I went to Um, a school for high school called, Red Bank,
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  Regional it was a I was a border there that I had to be bussed
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  out from my town to go there, which is very unusual.
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  The only selected a few people from out of the regular school
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  district to enter into this program.
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  And basically it was a high school.
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  You had a major like you would in college.
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  Wow. And my was creative writing.
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  Eating. So I've always kind of been
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  artsy in that way. I used to draw a lot, so I was
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  just, I was your typical dork, I guess you would say at the time
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  you know what I mean. Now it's funny because like I
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  was into anime when it really was not cool because there I
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  kind of still think anime isn't cool.
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  Just right. Just to make that clear.
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  But I did enjoy certain ones but I don't like calling myself an
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  anime fan because I don't think it's You know, when you say
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  anime fan, people think like a weed and that's not me, you
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  know? Yeah.
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  People people I think weaves or they think go back.
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  Dude isn't too weird. Hentai tentacle porn.
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  Yeah, but nothing like that. Yeah, I just liked to draw and
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  all that kind of other stuff. But anyway, around 15, I started
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  playing guitar. Still play guitar was in a
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  couple Bands. No one, semi-professional band
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  that they were called the wag. They were out of Middletown, New
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  Jersey. And if I had to describe what
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  their music was, like, I would say that they were like, kind of
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  like Fleetwood Mac. Kind of that paste of rock,
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  nothing too hard. A lot of softer stuff but a lot
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  of like middle ground rock songs.
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  They had some They had some decent stuff.
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  We had some other stuff that I absolutely hated playing though,
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  but I had to learn three hours of acoustic material of acoustic
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  covers to be in the band, plus an hour of their original music.
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  Plus when I joined, it was right before Christmas time.
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  So I had to learn an additional hour of Christmas music,
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  although is it was a lot of trouble and basically the The
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  bassist in the band was married to the keyboardist, their names
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  were Brian and Alicia, and there are married vegan couple so and
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  they're nice people that to a certain extent.
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  But basically was, I was never ever going to win a creative
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  argument against a married vegan couple.
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  So, the guy who found me and recruited me for the band was
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  that drummer Brian Maori and We became friends, you know, we
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  weren't making that much money doing these shows because they
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  are, we said over saving up for to record a new album.
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  So I was doing, you know, spending money on gas and guitar
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  strings, and everything else. And you know the drummer Brian
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  knew the situation I was in so he would like literally give me
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  like 20 bucks out of his own pocket.
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  So I'd like enough gas to get home and whatnot and he was a
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  good friend. Mine.
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  But a lot of my friends were having trouble coming out to
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  some of our shows because we used to play all over New
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  Jersey. So I decided I hate, I got the
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  room here, I got the equipment, I'm going to set up a full band
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  set up outside and invite all my friends were going to have a
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  nice big barbecue and do our electric set.
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  And we did that turned out very well was actually probably one
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  of my better electric shows. And if I can, if I can kind of
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  ask this was all kind of during this was all I pre.
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  This was I imagine that this was kind of like pre-social media,
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  like the internet was a thing. But like social media hadn't
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  really taken off. Yes, yes.
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  We're we're talking about like the 2011 2012 right now.
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  So, yes, we are at the point where like good cameras starting
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  to be in cell phones but Not unless you're willing to Fork
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  over rights for a decent cell phone.
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  So, you know, kind of pre that day.
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  We used to do a radio show up fake radio show together that we
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  used to call the imaginary radio show where we would tell stories
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  from our lives and stuff. And that was all done on a
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  portable MP3 recorder. So, well, before this is like
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  before, even like, people were using their cell phones for like
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  all this kind of stuff is before cell phones, dominated every
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  Market available. So you also kind of did similar
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  to me. You did podcast and kind of
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  before podcasting, became a medium, then a little bit, you
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  can still find. If you look up the imaginary
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  radio show you can still find some of the episodes.
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  If you're going to, if you're going to listen to one, I
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  recommend you find the one I'm going to have to find what it's
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  called but it should be fairly obvious from the title.
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  It's the story of the drummer Brian.
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  He had his uncle come on the show to tell the story about
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  when he was born. And it's so funny because, you
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  know, his uncle saying, when your sister came out, she was so
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  beautiful. You know, I had my, my friends
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  were all coming by saying, what a beautiful baby.
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  And then literally, when you came out, everybody was like,
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  what happened? What came out looked like a
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  combination between a monkey and a donkey and hair everywhere.
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  It was disgusting, you know, it's a really funny story.
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  So I recommend if anybody watch any episodes.
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  So do that. That would be the one you look
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  up. But anyway, he was my body and
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  we did the show at my house went over fairly well.
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  But started to rain, right at the end.
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  Everybody was grabbing equipment.
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  Bring it in, to get it out of the rain.
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  And he had a massive, heart attack and dropped dead on the
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  porch of our house over here. So oh shit.
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  Yeah. That I know you've mentioned
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  that you had a friend who passed and In private but I didn't know
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  that. That was the one in particular.
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  Yeah, wild. I've had a few friends pass
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  hinoki in in this time but BF for a while that kind of soured
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  me on doing music. The band wanted to continue but
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  without a drummer for a while and I just I didn't want to do
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  it. And then there was talk of I was
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  the replacement guitarist. I was not the original guitarist
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  of the Wag the original guitarist.
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  A man named Dan core boy, and before I had left the band, we
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  had talked on the phone and he had basically said the, all the
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  reasons I was contemplating leaving the band and I was
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  displeased with the band or the exact reasons why he left he was
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  never going to win a creative argument.
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  He didn't like the direction, they were taking the band.
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  And so what ended up happening is they wanted to do a tribute
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  show for Brian May. Maori the drummer and they
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  wanted to get the original guitarist back for that show
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  which I was absolutely fine with.
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  But I said, well, if you're going to invite Dan back, I'm
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  perfectly capable of playing your songs on drums.
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  I'm not a great drummer but I can play your songs on drums,
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  just fine. They didn't like that idea.
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  And that kind of just soured me on the whole thing because it
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  was kind of like, my friend just died.
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  Now. You want me to like compete with
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  the old guitarist who wrote these songs with you and it's
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  kind of unfair position to put me in because I I really I can't
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  compete with that. It's not fair, not just that, if
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  that's what it's going to be, then really the original Core
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  Group, should be the ones who do it and they kind of resented me
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  for that. I kind of resented them.
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  You know, we fell out and I left the band and the rest is
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  history. They don't want to have anything
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  to do with me. Wait, I take that back.
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  The bassist he would not mind working with me.
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  Again, it's the keyboardist Alicia.
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  She is the one who is said, Has no desire to ever work with me
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  ever again. So interesting.
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  So anyway, what I'm, this is all wrapping up to.
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  So, after this had happened is when I started to focus more
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  heavily on content, creation, and doing acoustic covers, and
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  stuff like that on YouTube. So I started going heavy on
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  that. And, you know, doing that
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  started getting involved. Didn't all of these conservative
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  leaning or just straight-up conservative commentators and
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  people that had shows and stuff like that because that's what I
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  was interested at the time as a 20, something year old, you
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  know, younger guy? Yeah.
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  So what had happened is so I'm at the point now where, like, I
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  still want to do music but I'm just not sure in what capacity.
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  I would like to do music and I was watching at the time, I had
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  gotten fairly into watching, Steven Crowder and you guys can
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  cringe all you want. I'm not here to defend Steven
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  Crowder. I'm just here to say that I used
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  to watch his show Fairly regularly and I a man that makes
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  that makes two of us. I, you know, I used to eyes to
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  watch Crowder back when he was working for Andrew Breitbart.
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  Not A lot of people know that know this, but before crowded
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  became kind of his own thing. He was what I like an 18 year
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  old. You know, kid who was working,
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  you know, for Andrew Breitbart, he had actually started.
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  I'm sure, you know, on Arthur as as the brain.
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  So, and at the time, when Breitbart was the thing, I was
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  well, when, when Andrew was still alive, I was around 15
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  which was kind of when I started podcasting and on BlogTalkRadio
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  so and block I grade, I don't know if you've ever heard any of
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  the audio but it was basically just like a glorified like phone
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  conferencing system and then people would live stream audio
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  out to the internet and it was I mean it was horrible audio
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  quality but because You know, podcasting wasn't my thing at
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  that point yet. And so that's what everyone used
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  and so You know, I use that for the first like four years, my
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  show and then block of creative, find out price themselves.
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  They like they moved the prices and basically got rid of the
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  free tier so everyone moved to spreaker.
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  And then I was on speaker for a year where I met a couple of
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  guys who were also High School, can sort of the wing, kind of
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  formed, a conservative kind of, I guess podcast Network.
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  And then basically, kind of the same thing, one of the guys
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  actually got on Fox News one time because he busted his
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  college professor for just, you know, boy and propaganda.
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  He was one of the first ones to kind of do that and, you know,
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  at the time from kind of the rest of us, he kind of got like
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  a big, he kind of got like a big head because that and The rest
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  of us were kind of, you know, it became it went from being like,
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  a group effort to, it was kind of like, well, I'm the head
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  honcho now and you, you know, you guys have to do what I say.
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  So we kind of split off from him and you know since then we've
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  all kind of made up and you know we're all on from the terms
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  again but you know from so after after I spoke from him, I made
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  another You know, group that I kind of found it and, you know,
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  it worked out good for a year but basically it was just like I
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  was starting. I was just starting college at
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  that point and, you know, none of us really have like the the
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  financial resources to kind of, you know, deal with anything and
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  then Charlie Kirk actually, Pope actually poached some on my
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  buddies for Turning Point USA. And then To the firing them
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  later and I'm in an unrelated thing, which so, you know, I was
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  kind of out on my own and I think, you know, that's kind of
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  where you and I met. So, and that's kind of where I
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  discovered Crowder. So, yeah, so yeah.
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  So with me you I was watching Crowder and it was like November
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  I just looked it up the date, so I think it was like November 9th
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  around there. It was of 2017.
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  It was Stephen Crowder's one millionth subscriber episode.
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  And on that show there was a gentleman.
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  Well I take that back he is not a gentleman.
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  Well, we're coming Saint. There was there was a man who I
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  later found out was totally insane.
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  Named Owen Benjamin now okay so let me explain it was the one
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  millionth subscriber episode of Steven Crowder and Owen was on
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  there to do one of his chitti piano parodies and what he did
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  it was a piano version of Sweet Child of Mine.
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  But it absolutely sucked and I'll tell you why, because who
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  doesn't know the chorus of Sweet Child of Mine.
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  Whoo. Whoo, whoo.
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  Whoo Sweet. Child of Mine except sorry about
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  your ears, everybody. But Owens was whoo.
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  Whoo, whoo, whoo, whoa, 1 million subscribers, which is
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  like, so it doesn't even like fit, right?
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  You know, it doesn't rhyme, it doesn't fit, right?
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  Like it was just kind of inappropriate.
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  But literally, what I thought, My head is if this guy can get
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  on Steven Crowder in do this, absolute crap.
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  There's no reason right? I shouldn't be able to Market
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  myself to these same people and do better.
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  So that wasn't my and I've never had that.
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  I've heard that from the beginning.
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  That literally, the reason I got involved with that group is
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  because I was looking for an audience to Market myself to
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  same here. It had nothing to do with me
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  liking Owen, so much or liking Crowder.
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  Her so much other than a casual interest.
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  So if anybody that's I'm sure currently been in the Bears or
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  left the Bears knows that they can.
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  At first, they can be welcoming and make you feel part of a
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  group, you know what I mean? Yeah.
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  But the time it wasn't nearly as culty because the way the
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  unbearable as were described when I'd first heard about them
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  after this episode was they were a group of people who would be
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  willing to talk about any issue with you.
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  And not be an asshole about it. That was literally how they
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  described Themselves as we know, now that's not what they are
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  today. What they are today, is a far
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  cry from that, but that's why also I take offense when people
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  refer to people who were involved with Owen and my era of
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  things as X cultists because it was not that way, right?
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  And when we were involved at all, it was totally different
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  animal. And the first inkling of
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  something weird and fishy going on.
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  We all got out of there. Yeah.
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  And I mean, I don't want to interject but just to kind of
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  fill people would on my side of things.
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  So, similarly, I had I had a so around the time that you were
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  watching crowd. I was also watching Crowder and
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  I never saw the. I never saw the 1 million
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  subscriber episode, but you took it down.
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  It's still available on Facebook though.
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  If you go and look it up, but as many people who are in my
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  circle, no, I had been a huge listener of Dennis Miller's,
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  radio show to the point where, like, I used to call him.
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  Regularly and for like the last year and a half of the show and
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  that's how I found out about Crowder and someone in that
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  group had mentioned Owen and I had never really checked them
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  out. Like, I kept hearing a Cohen and
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  then I had been a listener of Joe Rogan and yes, I know there
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  are people who also, you know, think they think Rogan's a heck.
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  They think he's a sellout, but I was just going to Rogan back in
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  2009 when you know also did just just to be clear to everybody
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  watching this is this Discussion that salmon are having is not an
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  endorsement of any streamer. It's just telling what happened
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  to us. Yeah, here to argue about how
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  stupid Crowder is, or how stupid Owen is, or how stupid Rogen is,
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  or how great, any of them are. That's not the purpose of this
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  discussion, so, yeah, I guess. Let's we could leave that at
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  that, you know? Sure.
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  Yeah. And thanks for, thanks for
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  bringing that up. So, you know, II had been
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  listening to rock, Ogun for, you know, years at that point.
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  And so you know and I still listen to Rogan fairly
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  regularly, but at that point I had you know, the thing with
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  Rogan is you don't listen to every episode because there are
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  three hours long but when but when I saw that Owen came on he
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  was like that. He was like the episode that day
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  and so I remember I was I would still in college at the time and
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  I remember like on my podcast feed, you know, an episode with
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  Alan popped up and I'm like oh you know, I've heard of this
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  guy, you know, I'll check them out.
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  So I did and it was the episode where Rogan I guess it was like
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  his third appearance or whatever and rogin sat him down and was
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  like you know, hey dude like you know what's going on?
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  Like you know you can't be saying the n word on Twitter on
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  Twitter all the time like you know, you You have a horrible
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  social media, you know, thing and so and then Kurt Metzger
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  came in that episode and basically, like talked over 0,
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  and for three hours. So, you know, like my initial
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  thing of own was kind of like, okay, well, This guy kind of
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  seems like a lovable oaf basically like and that's what
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  he came across. As you know honestly in the
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  beginning. He did not try to pass himself
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  off as some Guru or some smart guy.
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  His whole shtick was that he was a 7-foot tall idiot.
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  You know what I mean? Oh, that was his entire stick.
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  Yeah. So so I mean be so because Kurt
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  Metzger, talked over him, the entire episode.
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  I never would have felt like Got, you know, a chance July, I
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  guess get to know. And so I kind of felt bad and I
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  tweeted out something I didn't ruin tag anyone, but I, well,
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  that's not true. I didn't, I did Owen, but that's
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  because he was stoned without the time.
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  And I said, you know, I just listened to this episode with a
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  Bowen. Benjamin seemed like a decent
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  guy. But, you know, I'd like to learn
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  more about him and I can't remember who it was, but someone
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  got in touch with With me and invited me to a Facebook group
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  and then someone else I think might have actually been the
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  movie. But before you before you say
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  your name. If it's who I think it is, I
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  don't know if he would appreciate us.
• 26:02
  I know it's been so long, he might not care anymore, but just
• 26:05
  in case, maybe we shouldn't mention our mutual friend who we
• 26:10
  probably met through. A certain man from up North.
• 26:17
  Oh no, it's not him, it's okay. I'm just saying, I know he's
• 26:20
  enjoying his private life and, you know, I don't want to be the
• 26:23
  one to bring his name back into things so I just yeah, go ahead.
• 26:27
  I'm sorry for interrupting well. Well, let's just say that one of
• 26:31
  the, the one, one of the one of the gummy people.
• 26:35
  Let me just put it this way, invited me into the Discord.
• 26:41
  And basically, they had They had found out that I had interviewed
• 26:46
  Ben Shapiro when I was in high school.
• 26:49
  Which by the way I do want to clarify for people, the only
• 26:53
  reason I interviewed Ben Shapiro was because I had originally
• 26:56
  wanted to interview Andrew Breitbart, but when I was going
• 27:00
  to interview, Andrew Breitbart, he had passed away.
• 27:04
  So the reason why I interviewed been was because I basically
• 27:09
  emailed him out of, you know, he was still working for bright.
• 27:13
  At the time. And And he had basically, you
• 27:18
  know, agreed to come on and he was he wasn't Ben Shapiro yet as
• 27:23
  we know him today it was a kid that point, you know what I
• 27:27
  mean? Yeah, well we well, we both were
• 27:28
  I was, I was like 17 and he was I think Stone.
• 27:33
  His mid-20s didn't even have kids.
• 27:36
  Yeah, but my, my point being is so Owen, someone had told Owen
• 27:42
  about that and no one was like, oh man, you know, we've got to
• 27:46
  get I want to meet this, you know, guy like I'm still new to
• 27:51
  this whole political thing and so like it was interesting
• 27:57
  because Islands in our Circle, kept wanting me to like get in
• 28:03
  there. But I but like for whatever
• 28:06
  reason, when I got into that Discord, I immediately melded
• 28:10
  with you guys and, you know, the group that became known as the
• 28:17
  danger zone later on. Hmm.
• 28:19
  And my nickname, the whole thing with getting a like, a bear,
• 28:24
  nickname was always weird to me because I've always used my
• 28:27
  actual name with the podcast and everything.
• 28:30
  Yeah. Me too.
• 28:31
  I never had one of those bear names.
• 28:33
  I was always truck Boris or my YouTube at the time was called
• 28:38
  Locomotive Breath. Sometimes are my favorite Jethro
• 28:41
  Tull song. But I mean, when I was on
• 28:43
  street, when I when I like super chatted Owen Like what's your
• 28:47
  what's your bear naming? Like he really wanted me to have
• 28:50
  a have a bear named so I'm like okay well I'm doing this for
• 28:54
  self promotional purposes, so podcast bear and that way people
• 28:58
  would ask me, hey, what's your podcast?
• 29:00
  And you know, I would tell them and so that was pretty much it
• 29:06
  and then basically, you know I met you through, you know, along
• 29:11
  with Neary and Johnny arcade and all those guys and Everything
• 29:17
  else happened. So, and I guess that's kind of
• 29:21
  that good segue into the next part of.
• 29:25
  Yeah, the tail for the both of us. so we discovered this guy
• 29:31
  named Owen in short order, we found out this guy is obviously
• 29:36
  Shady then basically what happened is What had happened is
• 29:45
  Owen Benjamin had an opening comedian named, Eric nimmer.
• 29:49
  A man who claimed he was a marine and he had 20-something
• 29:52
  confirmed kills. He had all these college
• 29:55
  degrees, he was only 29 years old plus, his teeth are all
• 30:00
  jacked up because he claims that he took a grenade to the face.
• 30:04
  Some, huh? Something about this doesn't
• 30:05
  seem right. So anyway, kind of because of
• 30:09
  that and because of the backlash, when He had gone in
• 30:14
  roasted are condemned Iran stream.
• 30:17
  There wasn't hold on before before that.
• 30:21
  I do want to ask me a lot of stuff.
• 30:23
  I'm forgetting. It's been you know.
• 30:25
  Yeah, keep in mind. How long has it been have we
• 30:28
  known each other for five years at this point?
• 30:31
  I mean, it's bet it'll be since around 2017, a fish around
• 30:35
  there, I would guess 2017. 2018. So so from my, from my memory,
• 30:41
  the whole thing with Nemours start It out.
• 30:43
  So, so the thing that I just, that someone just reminded me of
• 30:50
  was that Never had only been in the Bears for like a week as
• 30:56
  long as it's open and then I had joined like literally like two
• 31:00
  weeks later. So I was I was I was just pre
• 31:05
  nimmer. Yeah.
• 31:06
  So I resented nimmer because I don't know who he was.
• 31:10
  I didn't like his style and all the sudden it was like, if you
• 31:13
  don't love this guy, we've got a problem.
• 31:17
  Well, immediately I don't like anything like that.
• 31:20
  I don't like being told what to do like that.
• 31:22
  Yeah. Will two things kind of set.
• 31:27
  Well, two things kind of set me off initially.
• 31:30
  First thing was Immediately, I never really found funny s.
• 31:40
  He was crowdfunding for a for like a special at that point.
• 31:45
  I remember that. Yeah, I remember and, you know,
• 31:49
  me being a meeting a podcast and me, you know, trying to do my
• 31:53
  own share, what I was like. Well, you know, people are
• 31:58
  people are merely asking for donations on his behalf and I
• 32:01
  was like you know I'd love to help out but you know I'm kind
• 32:04
  of running my own thing. I you know what will the money I
• 32:07
  have is a college student. I'm Invest in my own thing.
• 32:11
  I hope you understand but now because you're on the subject
• 32:15
  before I forget, I just want to mention.
• 32:18
  Okay? So what was going to happen is
• 32:20
  are can immer was crowdfunding to do his own comedy special.
• 32:27
  What had happened is all of Owens group that would live
• 32:32
  stream. We were going to do a 24 hour
• 32:35
  livestream and basically Eric nimmer was gonna guest hop each
• 32:40
  stream to try to crowdfund. This what had happened is after
• 32:47
  the cracks had started to form, the intention was for at least
• 32:53
  some of us who streamed, not everybody.
• 32:55
  Some people were really The number, and actually wanted to
• 32:58
  help them. But at this point already, the
• 33:01
  cracks were starting to form and me along with a few others.
• 33:06
  I can't remember exactly who our plan was to get Eric nimmer on
• 33:11
  the show and then do nothing but make fun of them the whole
• 33:14
  entire time, right? So our intentions kind of to
• 33:19
  subvert, what he was trying to do and make him look like an
• 33:21
  asshole. It in the the big falling-out
• 33:24
  happened before that. So That never ended up coming to
• 33:27
  fruition but anybody would say, oh, you were going to dip.
• 33:31
  His people said that you were going to do a live stream for
• 33:34
  Nemours benefit. Yep, you're right.
• 33:37
  It was billed as that. But that was not my intention at
• 33:40
  all. Well and maybe some in the DZ
• 33:43
  can back me up that. Remember that I know that, you
• 33:45
  know, I'm not involved with the DZ anymore but and I'm I'm done
• 33:50
  with. I'm done with all that, you
• 33:52
  know, I don't want to fight with anybody.
• 33:53
  You know what I mean? I'm I wasted enough of my life
• 34:00
  getting upset over these people I met on the internet.
• 34:03
  So you know, I matured a lot since all this has happened but
• 34:09
  you know, once again, I don't want to fight with any of these
• 34:12
  people, but let's just stick to the story and I'm not going to
• 34:15
  go out of my way to demonize any of those people.
• 34:18
  Because sure, you know, in reality, they probably weren't
• 34:22
  too bad. They did some things that
• 34:24
  bothered me and I'm sure I did a lot of Things that bothered
• 34:27
  them. So, when it came down to is, we
• 34:29
  just weren't our personalities weren't compatible.
• 34:33
  And I think that was one of the things is that I always wanted
• 34:36
  to be very independent. And that might have bothered
• 34:39
  them, I can't speak for them, but but go ahead, I'm sorry.
• 34:42
  Well, so, so two things happen with.
• 34:45
  So, I remember during the whole, I remember, I remember with
• 34:49
  that, like, 24 hour, livestream, someone Hannah had asked me to
• 34:55
  host. The withheld of her.
• 34:58
  And I said I said no and I said for two reasons one I don't
• 35:04
  really find it funny you know be I do.
• 35:07
  Do I do I do do some comedy but at that point my show was mainly
• 35:14
  stole political and so I'm like you know so I don't think my
• 35:18
  show is the right is just the right venue for this guy.
• 35:24
  The other thing was and this is a this is The key point at that
• 35:29
  point, a certain gentleman who whose name show me an anonymous
• 35:37
  had told me, and told others that Eric never had rep had
• 35:43
  harassed his girlfriend and that was that her me was the final
• 35:49
  straw and had sent me DMS to proven that, this was the case.
• 35:56
  so, you know, at this point like I didn't say I wasn't saying
• 36:01
  anything but like I had been in the community and people had I
• 36:05
  mean I don't want to toot my own horn but like I've always tried
• 36:09
  to be a nice guy and I think people know that and so like for
• 36:13
  whatever reason people started coming to me and saying, you
• 36:16
  know, hey Sam, you know, you've been in media for for a while
• 36:22
  Eric Nemours. Harassing you know, people do,
• 36:24
  you know, someone we could talk to about this, you know, in
• 36:27
  regards to Island, and I didn't know that, but I was kind of
• 36:30
  like, well, you know, I'll, you know, I'll ask around.
• 36:36
  So I remember, I talked to you about it and then, yeah, I guess
• 36:40
  then were you and I for those who don't know, quick refresh.
• 36:45
  What had happened is, Owen was the headliner of a comedy show.
• 36:53
  His opening comedian at the time, his regular opening
• 36:57
  comedian was Eric, never bought in on this particular show which
• 37:01
  is what we're talking about. Are camera was as well.
• 37:05
  So somebody we mutually know to people we mutually know who were
• 37:11
  you know, let's say they were very close friends with one.
• 37:14
  Another. One of them decided to go to
• 37:16
  this show and I don't want to toss around the word, the phrase
• 37:25
  sexual harassment because of the Ambiguity of kind of like the
• 37:32
  term and what people will assume.
• 37:36
  So I think a better way to phrase is Eric nimmer was being
• 37:39
  very handsy with this girl and kind of hanging all over her and
• 37:44
  telling her how pretty she was. And she was not feeling
• 37:47
  comfortable and she had told people right then in private, I
• 37:53
  don't like, I don't like where this is going.
• 37:55
  He's making me feel weird. And in the meantime, while he
• 38:00
  was doing this, he was messaging the guy who was friendly with
• 38:09
  this girl. Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm
• 38:11
  going to take your girl, I'm gonna F, ER, and you go and kill
• 38:15
  yourself, soy, stuff like that. I don't kill yourself in
• 38:18
  livestream it, so you can see, you can say, Fuck.
• 38:21
  This is an uncensored. Podcast.
• 38:23
  Yeah. Just just, you know, I'm trying
• 38:25
  to stay away from here. Swearing too much because of my
• 38:29
  kids are getting to the age where they say.
• 38:31
  Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
• 38:32
  Right, right, right now. I'm just, I'm just, I'm just
• 38:34
  trying to break the habits, not that I'm scared.
• 38:36
  No, no. I'm just letting you know that,
• 38:40
  you know. Yes, no need to censor on my
• 38:43
  show. So yeah.
• 38:44
  Well you know II get it. I have I have younger siblings
• 38:51
  to so when I'm around them. After you know what I mean.
• 38:55
  My kids are there in the other house.
• 38:56
  They're asleep already. So it's not an issue.
• 38:58
  I'm, it's just me. Trying to break the Habit, you
• 39:01
  know, I guess that's what had been going on and that was the
• 39:05
  final straw for me. Because let's also not forget
• 39:08
  that on top of his bogus claims on top of the harassment of the
• 39:15
  girl and the harassment of the guy.
• 39:19
  He also was These desperate. Aging women who were part of the
• 39:29
  unbearable. Zab solutely loved Eric nimmer
• 39:33
  because He was fit, I guess. I mean he had ABS, but I mean,
• 39:39
  he was still a 5-foot tall man, lit with jacked up teeth.
• 39:44
  You know what I mean? But also I resent isn't the
• 39:47
  right word for Eric nimmer, but I did not like the way that
• 39:53
  these first of all, because like Owens group described themselves
• 39:56
  as like Traditional Values, which we know now that they're
• 39:59
  not, but I'm just tired of the way that it was.
• 40:01
  Then that's how they were trying to present themselves.
• 40:04
  So it's like, okay, well, Obviously, you guys aren't for
• 40:06
  Traditional Values. The married women in here
• 40:08
  fawning over this dude, who they never even met?
• 40:12
  And first of all, the dude is, you could say what you want.
• 40:16
  I think I'm a million times more handsome than Eric nimmer.
• 40:20
  Could ya hope to be okay, so it's not about that.
• 40:24
  I didn't want the attention from these women.
• 40:26
  I believe you did not want their attention.
• 40:28
  I just resented the fact that A group that were calling
• 40:34
  themselves conservatives and standing up for Traditional
• 40:37
  Values were engaged in all this crazy, kind of behavior.
• 40:41
  So the final straw for me was that night when nimmer was
• 40:46
  bothering the girl and told the guy to kill himself in live
• 40:49
  stream it, that's when I was done with the unbearable 's.
• 40:54
  I had said in the group chat that they were all in, this is
• 41:02
  fucked up. I can't believe that nobody is
• 41:07
  You know, standing up against this and saying, okay, you're
• 41:09
  going a little too far here and then I was out that's when I had
• 41:15
  left the unbearable 's and then ensure order people like Johnny
• 41:21
  arcade and the rest of the DZ had left as well and
• 41:25
  well-formed. What was called the DZ, it had
• 41:28
  started to form before that but you are you are missing.
• 41:31
  You are missing one critical. I'm sure I probably sold more
• 41:35
  than one so right. The summer right before I guess
• 41:38
  so right before the fall out. So never at this point had kind
• 41:46
  of Benedict all of us. Right.
• 41:48
  I mean pretty oh yeah because nobody could be better funnier
• 41:52
  than him which so yeah didn't like either and and so I mean
• 41:59
  this this is documented this is out there.
• 42:03
  So you know, I don't think we're not we're not saying anything
• 42:06
  that isn't public record but so we so check and I and the rest
• 42:13
  of the guys, we knew a gentleman by the name of Johnny Rai who
• 42:19
  used to do a Morning Show and who, you know, it was like it
• 42:26
  was morning radio, but with a wholesome vibe.
• 42:29
  Like he would. Yeah.
• 42:30
  John's John's whole thing is positive kind of do.
• 42:36
  He was like a slightly religious motivational speaker was kind of
• 42:41
  the nature of his thing. Was kind of like hey let's get
• 42:43
  up in the morning, you know, and I'll read a passage from the
• 42:47
  Bible in order to try to get everybody motivated.
• 42:49
  You know. So it was a wholesome wholesome
• 42:53
  show and of course he would go goof around and do some like
• 42:56
  goofy stuff like the ninja training.
• 42:59
  Inning where he would go to a local park in like big go all
• 43:03
  over the monkey bars and stuff like that which was very
• 43:05
  entertaining. But I mean it was it was
• 43:07
  wholesome in relatively clean, won't be the other.
• 43:10
  The other thing too, was he was the other thing too is he is an
• 43:14
  Italian guy from upstate New York.
• 43:17
  So he would want to do like the I mean he was like as he wasn't
• 43:22
  like a complete we do but he was another one where was kind of
• 43:26
  like yeah. You know how he was the kind of
• 43:28
  guy. Could turn it on when he won.
• 43:31
  Yeah. You know what I mean?
• 43:32
  Yeah, he so so you know so he was a whole from God and people
• 43:38
  also liked him and Eric nimmer couldn't stand that.
• 43:42
  So yeah that that is very true. He Eric nimmer targeted
• 43:49
  everybody who I think he felt was kind of like a threat to him
• 43:54
  and his popularity and but he went on you arcade.
• 43:59
  Johnny arcade was definitely somebody nimmer was threatened
• 44:02
  by but rather than fight him nimmer and Johnny were kind of
• 44:09
  like almost about ready to partner up at one point.
• 44:12
  So that's the route that almost took Yaz like Neri wasn't he
• 44:19
  wasn't interested at all in that you know, no near near and I
• 44:24
  were were thinking about doing a thing together.
• 44:28
  I That now. But, you know.
• 44:32
  So at one point never had been talking all this, all this shit
• 44:37
  on near I, I can't even remember why?
• 44:45
  But basically, from what I remember, Well, can't ruin my
• 44:54
  equipment. Remember how the like who came
• 44:56
  in? Where but I remember eventually
• 44:59
  the there it was basically like nimmer hadn't talking so much
• 45:03
  shit and basically near I get near I was had near I came on
• 45:11
  like one of our streams. Yes and basically said I want,
• 45:15
  you know I hear that name has been talking shit on me.
• 45:20
  So get in here. The clip of that incident is in
• 45:24
  porcelains documentary, about Owen.
• 45:30
  And in the shortened clip from that about nimmer, the clip from
• 45:34
  that is there now for a little clarification, what had happened
• 45:39
  is Neri had messaged nimmer and said, I think that you could be
• 45:47
  funny But I think that x y and z are the reasons why you're
• 45:54
  failing and I think XY ABC is what how it could be better and
• 46:00
  name. Or did not like that.
• 46:01
  Because he did not like, he not criticism.
• 46:05
  He didn't like criticism. He didn't like to be.
• 46:08
  He felt like he was so good. Nobody had any right to
• 46:12
  criticize anything. He was doing on stage that he
• 46:16
  was like, and he was, he was when He got introduced to the
• 46:19
  group. He was The Golden Child.
• 46:21
  You were not allowed to mess with them, which is another
• 46:23
  point I wanted to bring up. Can anybody?
• 46:27
  I'm sure those who were there? Remember this, but those of you
• 46:30
  who weren't there, can you imagine Owen, Benjamin Colleen.
• 46:37
  You you point at the camera, there it is calling you a racist
• 46:45
  because you didn't like Eric nimmer.
• 46:49
  Can you imagine no one seriously calling anybody a racist?
• 46:53
  You know what I mean? It's like, well, neither man has
• 46:56
  changed so many times that it's, it's, it's just crazy to think
• 47:01
  about, yeah. You know, and so that was kind
• 47:07
  of that. So basically, So basically name
• 47:14
  was talking shit on nearby. And then near, I was in one of
• 47:19
  the DZ streams and I want to kind of explain how the D is
• 47:25
  these dreams work because they weren't always about Owen
• 47:31
  necessarily, basically the DZ streams basically were based on
• 47:38
  the like, free frogs basically where people would go in and
• 47:46
  just chat and shoot the shit 48 hours at a time.
• 47:51
  And we, we did streams everyday. What?
• 47:55
  And we all had accent? We all had access to the
• 47:58
  channel. To so for a block of time, if I
• 48:03
  wasn't busy I would go on there and stream instead of on my main
• 48:08
  channel in the morning, I was the I was the morning host.
• 48:11
  I was the guy that would take As soon as I woke up and did
• 48:17
  everything I needed to do, I was there in the morning to stream.
• 48:21
  And while the rest of the disease, they're there when they
• 48:27
  would stream later on, at night that the overnight streams were
• 48:30
  the most popular my segment in the morning was probably one of
• 48:34
  the least popular, but also my segments are used to do in the
• 48:38
  morning. We're a completely different
• 48:40
  animal than what was happening at night.
• 48:42
  Yeah. In my morning streams it would
• 48:45
  be me taking care of the kids jamming on guitar just trying to
• 48:49
  entertain people going through the drive through and playing
• 48:53
  pranks the drive-thru. Like what I was doing was
• 48:56
  totally different than what everybody else was doing with
• 48:59
  that channel. I was trying to add a little bit
• 49:01
  more variety because You know, I guess I've never been like
• 49:07
  really considered want to like the cool kids whereas they all
• 49:11
  would have considered themselves, cool kids.
• 49:13
  So literally they could draw attention by just being there
• 49:17
  for me. It.
• 49:18
  I for some reason never had a pull like that.
• 49:20
  So I always had to bring a little bit of something extra to
• 49:23
  the table by playing music or building something or to playing
• 49:28
  pranks or just, you know, driving around doing stuff like
• 49:31
  that. So that's how I tried to keep my
• 49:34
  end of the And going the re the reason why I wanted to explain
• 49:38
  the reason why I explain that now is because at well and then
• 49:42
  on the weekends we would all kind of just come together and
• 49:46
  ahead and hang out. And the reason I bring that up
• 49:49
  is because on one of those streams that was when near I had
• 49:56
  been saying, you know, I hear Eric numbers been talking a lot
• 50:00
  of shit about me, you know, why doesn't he come in here, will
• 50:03
  send him the invite and You know, or I or I think it was it
• 50:09
  was actually on Nemours. Channel, if I remember
• 50:14
  correctly, I don't remember exactly.
• 50:17
  I remember from the clip of Neary, roasting nimmer.
• 50:23
  I'm in the video. I'm in the.
• 50:26
  Yeah, I'm in the video too. Yeah, a bunch of us that these
• 50:30
  ears the former DZ years recurrent disease.
• 50:32
  I don't know if that if it's even still a thing not really
• 50:36
  but um once again, you know, out of my that's out of my element.
• 50:41
  But the point being is that yeah a bunch of us were there when
• 50:47
  that all went down. Yeah.
• 50:55
  But anyway, I feel like there was kind of a weird Gap in the
• 51:00
  conversation there. No.
• 51:02
  So the reason why bring up the roast is because basically and
• 51:08
  you can see the clip again and porcelains documentary nimmer
• 51:14
  Nimrod goes in and tries to like make jokes about near I and near
• 51:21
  is just laughing. I'm off and that One point near
• 51:24
  I says you're dying on stage, no matter, you're dying on on stage
• 51:29
  and that was that was what broke nimmer?
• 51:33
  And all of Nemours, sick of fans started calling me right a
• 51:40
  racist. Yep.
• 51:41
  And then they started calling him when he was at church and
• 51:44
  stuff like that and that was the one incident they tried to say,
• 51:48
  he was harassing do live bout ya.
• 51:52
  Never Happened for those of you who may have heard something
• 51:56
  about that. What had happened is, John Neary
• 51:58
  was literally walking through the doors into his church on
• 52:03
  Sunday, when he gets a call. He picked up the phone and it's
• 52:06
  do live calling from freaking Israel.
• 52:09
  Saying, what did you do to nimmer?
• 52:13
  And he said, look, watch your tone.
• 52:16
  I'm about to walk into church. I will call you later to talk
• 52:19
  about this. Not the, not the right time,
• 52:22
  which I think. Think was perfectly within his
• 52:24
  rights anyway. That blew up into that own
• 52:27
  erie's, tough-talking women and that was the wagon nimmer.
• 52:34
  Tried to Hitch his horse up to was that near?
• 52:37
  He was harassing women which is obviously that that didn't even
• 52:43
  happen. And actually, when Neary did
• 52:46
  eventually called Olaf, they had a civil conversation about what
• 52:49
  had happened. And I don't know if they saw
• 52:51
  eye-to-eye, but they came to an First and meant that whatever
• 52:55
  you think happened or that I'm somehow, you know, racist or
• 52:59
  something like that. It's ridiculous, right?
• 53:03
  But it didn't, it didn't stop there and I don't remember that.
• 53:08
  I don't remember the details. But basically from what I
• 53:12
  remember it got to the point where like where they kept, they
• 53:17
  kept calling near a racist and it eventually like it got to
• 53:22
  Owen. You know, it got to it, got Owen
• 53:25
  and eventually it was pretty much like okay well, you know,
• 53:32
  oh, and basically said that, you know, he wanted to keep nimmer
• 53:38
  around and at that point, we had basically said, okay, well, You
• 53:46
  know, we're not really welcome to in.
• 53:51
  We don't really feel welcome so we're just going to go off and
• 53:54
  do our own thing so we left. Yeah.
• 53:58
  And at that point, there were a lot of people who And I want to
• 54:04
  stress this to weren't involved in the daz weren't really
• 54:09
  involved and ending that we did. But there were a lot of people
• 54:13
  who likes near I and who likes us.
• 54:19
  That didn't like nimmer, you know, didn't like hostile
• 54:22
  atmosphere, and so they just completely let wait left
• 54:26
  themselves. So, 60 people left.
• 54:32
  The Bears, which was a huge chunk.
• 54:37
  At the time because this was, this was again, this was all
• 54:42
  before Owen became a huge co-leader.
• 54:47
  So we went off and did our own thing for almost a whole year,
• 54:56
  you know, and this is for me, at least this is finding more and I
• 55:02
  always said, you know, listen I'm waiting, I'm waiting.
• 55:06
  Ting. The Bears with Chuck and Johnny
• 55:10
  and everyone else you guys are more than welcomed you know to
• 55:15
  keep tuning in to the Whitfield report.
• 55:20
  But you know, I don't care if you listen to Owen we just you
• 55:25
  know, I'm leaving because of disagreements.
• 55:28
  But you guys are more than welcome to do You Know lesson?
• 55:35
  Tonight Show as well. so, you know, at that point, everything
• 55:43
  was pretty copacetic and nothing really happened for like I said
• 55:52
  a whole year and then and then the infamous gummy thing
• 55:59
  happened. I don't want to dwell on this
• 56:06
  like, yeah, way way, way way, way too much.
• 56:13
  Sorry my wife had called me so I'm just texting her.
• 56:16
  I'm doing an interview hon. But anyway, so What had happened
• 56:24
  is yes for. So for like almost a year, the
• 56:25
  DZ it was in and us we were doing our own things.
• 56:31
  What had ended up happening is, I ended up having a falling out
• 56:36
  with the DZ. It's not important to hurt to
• 56:38
  hash out the details of why anymore.
• 56:41
  It the whole thing was probably stupid and I probably blown out
• 56:47
  of proportion on both ends but I left the DZ because I did not
• 56:51
  Like something that they did. And during that time, there had
• 56:56
  been talk about how the DZ was going to bring down, Eric
• 57:00
  nimmer, they were going to be the ones, they knew that he was
• 57:03
  lying about his record and everything else like that.
• 57:06
  So when I had left the DeeZee, I said, well screw all those
• 57:13
  people, not you included at this point as we were still buddies,
• 57:17
  right? But I'd said screw all All those
• 57:22
  people there. They're a bunch of, they're all
• 57:27
  big talk, they don't actually get anything done.
• 57:30
  So I went and took upon myself to go and get the information on
• 57:36
  Eric nimmer and just to wrap all that up, I proved he was he was
• 57:40
  in fact lying about his military record.
• 57:42
  Okay, quit that's all we really need to address that but it's
• 57:45
  been hashed so many times. I mean, I guess quick question
• 57:49
  regarding the the deal 214, why did you decide?
• 57:56
  Because I that's a question I that I still get boy born on a
• 58:01
  lot and I know you've talked about a little bit, but why did
• 58:04
  you feel, why did you still feel the need to I guess exposed
• 58:09
  nimmer. Well, it started off as just
• 58:14
  that. Um, the way he conducted
• 58:16
  himself, it was hard for me to believe that this man was
• 58:21
  actually a military member. Now, people have He said to me
• 58:28
  before that they are, you didn't do it because you cared so much
• 58:34
  about the military. That that was part of it.
• 58:38
  Part of the reason I did it was because I did care about them
• 58:40
  about the military. But yeah, the the main reason I
• 58:44
  did is because Eric nimmer was a scumbag and I wanted to prove
• 58:48
  just how scummy he was, and I was able to do that, you know,
• 58:55
  initially Ali would had initially set me off on the are
• 58:59
  condemned or hate train, was him harassing that girl in him
• 59:03
  telling my friend to go kill himself you know, that was the
• 59:07
  end of it and also this guy's big joke was the only reason I
• 59:12
  joined the military was to make white people thank me for their
• 59:15
  freedom. So it was like, okay, well this
• 59:18
  doesn't sound like somebody who was in the military.
• 59:21
  So when I filed it, you know, I don't know that much about the
• 59:26
  And I learned a lot from this experience, but I didn't know
• 59:30
  what I was going to find. But guess what?
• 59:32
  I found out exactly what we had all suspected that, and it was
• 59:37
  just suspicion at that point. I had proven that everything he
• 59:43
  was saying about his military record was a lie.
• 59:46
  So then it became well, this is a big deal, because okay,
• 59:50
  although him say, saying those things to that girl in that guy
• 59:55
  were definitely in appropriate indefinitely scummy out of all
• 59:59
  of those incidents. Well, I mean, I guess you could
• 1:00:03
  say that they they all carry a lot of weight.
• 1:00:06
  I don't want to say which one carries more weight than here
• 1:00:08
  because, you know, it depends on which way you slice it.
• 1:00:11
  But but basically, it was since it was provable that he was
• 1:00:18
  lying about his military record. He deserved to be exposed for
• 1:00:21
  that. So that's what I did.
• 1:00:24
  And what I done is, I initially, I don't want to go over this
• 1:00:27
  again because I'm getting into the details and it's it's going
• 1:00:30
  to take on. Another, I can talk for hours,
• 1:00:33
  just a upon that thing. I think we all know happened.
• 1:00:36
  Feel ya, feel, ya. I mean, I don't want to, I don't
• 1:00:40
  want to, you know, push it too much again.
• 1:00:42
  I just want that specific point as to why you did that.
• 1:00:45
  That was one thing. Maybe after this airs, we can do
• 1:00:49
  a follow-up where we answer specific questions if people
• 1:00:52
  want to be civil about. Yeah, I'm yeah, I'm curious as
• 1:00:57
  to how this is going to be received from was I'm sure.
• 1:01:01
  A lot of people probably do have questions, and if people would
• 1:01:04
  please just put their dislike for me aside.
• 1:01:08
  I know I can be an abrasive asshole.
• 1:01:10
  You know, it's nothing against you.
• 1:01:14
  It's okay. You're really out there.
• 1:01:17
  There are people who there are people in believe me, you're not
• 1:01:21
  alone, you're not alone. There are people who there are
• 1:01:24
  people, who I didn't think would hate me that hate my guts, you
• 1:01:29
  know, and that's kind of even unrelated Allen kind of some of
• 1:01:33
  the other people that we've met through this whole, you know,
• 1:01:36
  ordeal through the internet. But I guess, where do you want
• 1:01:42
  to go next? Well, this is all leading into
• 1:01:49
  the next part of the story but you know what, I really have to
• 1:01:52
  use the restroom. She would forgive me.
• 1:01:53
  One minute, I will share and and yeah, well people well, While
• 1:01:59
  you're doing that, I'll just fill in people, you know, folks.
• 1:02:04
  You know, the reason why I'm doing this, I know that Shucks
• 1:02:08
  covered some of this on his You know, channel before I know I've
• 1:02:16
  covered it. But, you know, it's been a few
• 1:02:21
  years since this has happened. And we're a few years moved away
• 1:02:31
  from these events and I do think it's there still a lot of BS.
• 1:02:39
  A lot of rumors that people have spread about shocked about me
• 1:02:44
  about this whole or so we are just strictly here basically to
• 1:02:53
  I don't know. No set the record straight is
• 1:02:56
  clear the air a little bit, but just clear the air.
• 1:03:00
  Yeah. So, anyway, as I was saying
• 1:03:03
  Chuck, we're next. Okay.
• 1:03:07
  So because of this whole going against Owen Benjamin and are
• 1:03:12
  condemned. Er, um, I received all kinds of
• 1:03:16
  threats, it was a, the kind of thing that was, you know, I'd
• 1:03:18
  wake up in the morning and there would be dozens of It's about
• 1:03:23
  what a scumbag. I am all because I told the
• 1:03:26
  truth and I exposed one of their Heroes is being a scumbag.
• 1:03:31
  So, isn't that funny? Well, the vaduz telling the
• 1:03:34
  truth is love. One who everybody hates.
• 1:03:37
  Well, first off, like, even after you, I want to clarify
• 1:03:41
  this, to even after the, even after the records were out
• 1:03:46
  there, even half was proven Owen still latched onto Dimmer for a
• 1:03:53
  long time, and would not believe.
• 1:03:56
  That the and would not believe that the records were with were
• 1:04:01
  real and it wasn't just Chuck that got threats.
• 1:04:05
  I got basically everyone who was associated with our group got
• 1:04:11
  threats and, you know, there's a whole thing.
• 1:04:13
  I don't want to get into my new show of that, but I mean,
• 1:04:17
  basically, shit, basically, ran down, rain down upon all of us
• 1:04:22
  for a long time. It was, you know, people Saying
• 1:04:26
  they were going to report me to the police.
• 1:04:28
  They were going to call CPS and get my children taken away from
• 1:04:32
  me. They were going to show up to my
• 1:04:33
  house so they were going to get me expelled from college.
• 1:04:38
  Now at this point although I knew that most of them were full
• 1:04:46
  of shit. What if one of them wasn't full
• 1:04:50
  of shit? What if one of them actually did
• 1:04:53
  decide to show up here, you know, and try to do something to
• 1:04:57
  me, or my family? Because I told the truth.
• 1:05:00
  So I decided maybe it was a good idea since it's my right as an
• 1:05:08
  American citizen, I thought. Maybe it was time that I go and
• 1:05:11
  get, I get myself a gun. I went did all the background
• 1:05:18
  checks. Got fingerprinted the whole nine
• 1:05:23
  yards in New Jersey. It's very very very restrictive
• 1:05:26
  and very hard to get a firearm. But yeah that's littering the I
• 1:05:30
  had literally never ever been in trouble for anything before in
• 1:05:35
  my life my record was squeaky clean.
• 1:05:38
  I had never ever done anything remotely as far as Legally, I
• 1:05:45
  got into fights in high school, but I mean, what, you know,
• 1:05:48
  that's kind of normal for a lot of boys to get in fights in high
• 1:05:53
  school and stuff like, yeah. So, you know, I was never, I was
• 1:05:57
  never a criminal, you know. So I was able to to get to get a
• 1:06:04
  gun. I bought an AR and I are 15 at
• 1:06:07
  what it was a Ruger. AR 556 is what it was called.
• 1:06:13
  But it was basically, you know, and I are 15 or, you know, it
• 1:06:21
  got pretty decent with it, you know, took it to the range a
• 1:06:23
  couple of times. You know, in general, I just
• 1:06:28
  enjoyed it. I was never like a real big gun
• 1:06:31
  not or anything like that, but literally part of the reason I
• 1:06:35
  went and did this is because I figured well, you know, not even
• 1:06:38
  just these people like the unbearable and stuff but you
• 1:06:41
  know what happens if anybody decides to show up to the house
• 1:06:44
  so I'm gonna, you know, and also you know, people would hunt on
• 1:06:49
  my property when they're not supposed to.
• 1:06:51
  So I don't like the idea of going out in the woods and there
• 1:06:55
  could be somebody up. Up in the trees with a gun and
• 1:06:57
  I'm completely unarmed. I didn't like the feeling of
• 1:07:01
  that either. That's probably in valid concern
• 1:07:07
  you know but I'm just telling you where my head was at the
• 1:07:10
  time. You know.
• 1:07:12
  I guess paranoia was maybe running a little rampant but
• 1:07:15
  things had really pretty much started to calm down.
• 1:07:18
  I had kind of started to you know I was doing a lot of
• 1:07:22
  parodies at the time and stuff like that and that was kind of
• 1:07:26
  my bread and butter for my YouTube channel for a long time
• 1:07:29
  was these parodies mainly making fun of Owen but Really making
• 1:07:33
  fun of things that were happening in politics for a
• 1:07:37
  while. And this is basically leading
• 1:07:44
  into the story of the worst thing that ever happened to me
• 1:07:47
  in my life. So so here it goes.
• 1:07:54
  Would it ended up happening? Is I had a sister who lived in
• 1:07:59
  California And she had called us one day her saying a bunch of
• 1:08:08
  crazy stuff that her husband was abusive and she needed to get
• 1:08:11
  out of the house. So me being trying to be a good
• 1:08:17
  brother. I packed a bag that day we tried
• 1:08:21
  to say, hey, can wait like a week because it really wasn't a
• 1:08:24
  good time for us. Financially secured a weight
• 1:08:27
  like a week. And she said, no, you need to
• 1:08:29
  come like now. So I dropped everything that I
• 1:08:32
  was doing packed the bag, gathered up, you know, a couple
• 1:08:38
  thousand dollars that I had which was going to pay for plane
• 1:08:42
  tickets and gasoline to drive back and food and hotels and
• 1:08:47
  stuff and I flew out there and I picked her up in her kids and I
• 1:08:51
  drove all the way back here to New Jersey.
• 1:08:55
  Just to spare you, some of the details.
• 1:08:57
  Basically, what ended up happening is my brother-in-law
• 1:09:02
  was not abusive. What had really been going on?
• 1:09:06
  Is my little sister, was a severe alcoholic and nobody had
• 1:09:11
  told us and it wasn't until she was under my roof, under my care
• 1:09:16
  and my supervision as well as during that time.
• 1:09:20
  It was she was passed out drunk all the time, which, you know, I
• 1:09:23
  didn't know that this is what was going on.
• 1:09:25
  But I was basically left to watch her kids for her.
• 1:09:31
  Yeah, on top of your kids to. Yeah.
• 1:09:34
  So, like, Videos of like my channel of me like, baby guitar
• 1:09:40
  where I'm pretending, the kids or guitar and, like, to clean
• 1:09:43
  their bellies to the to the trooper.
• 1:09:46
  Those kids in the video, those are my kids in my sister's kids.
• 1:09:51
  So I was watching them for a while and I was glad to do it,
• 1:09:56
  but it became apparent that I tried to get my sister off the
• 1:10:02
  drink myself. She wasn't able to do it.
• 1:10:07
  So what we did is we checked her into a rehab.
• 1:10:15
  Which at the time we thought was the best thing to do.
• 1:10:18
  So she, when she was in rehab, she met, she met a guy in rehab,
• 1:10:26
  former heroin addict who also who also had a Hmm, checkered
• 1:10:33
  past I guess to say the least. So anyway, we didn't know about
• 1:10:40
  this guy first, I'm kind of jumping ahead a little bit so so
• 1:10:44
  take that out of your head for a minute.
• 1:10:45
  All right, so she's in rehab, she's been there for maybe like
• 1:10:48
  a week or something like that. She calls me.
• 1:10:51
  And she says, you know, I really miss my kids, because when
• 1:10:55
  you're in rehab least the rehab, she was at, it's like, it's
• 1:10:59
  pretty much, it's a step above being in jail.
• 1:11:03
  I mean literally you can't really have like visit visitors
• 1:11:05
  or anything like that. It's really really really
• 1:11:08
  restrictive. Anything you want to bring in
• 1:11:10
  clothes food. Toothbrushes.
• 1:11:12
  They go through everything to make sure there's no like drugs
• 1:11:14
  or anything hidden in there. So she was in there and she
• 1:11:20
  said, you know, I can't take it anymore.
• 1:11:23
  I got to see my kids. If I could just see my kids
• 1:11:28
  again, I know that there's no way I'm ever going to want to
• 1:11:32
  drink. Think again.
• 1:11:33
  So once again me trying to be a good brother took it as she was
• 1:11:39
  telling me the truth and I went and I signed her out of out of
• 1:11:43
  rehab. So, for the first couple days,
• 1:11:48
  she was out things seemed great. You know what I mean?
• 1:11:52
  She seemed to return to like a, for lack of a better term, a
• 1:11:57
  regular person. And in the meantime, my
• 1:12:01
  brother-in-law had come out from California to spend time with us
• 1:12:05
  and to spend time with his kids while we were figuring out what
• 1:12:09
  exactly we were going to do. So, what had happened is?
• 1:12:18
  You know, I was like, I said the first couple days she was home.
• 1:12:21
  Everything seemed fine. Seemed like things were going to
• 1:12:23
  get better. And then, you know, I had
• 1:12:27
  suspected that maybe she was drinking a little bit here and
• 1:12:30
  there, but I couldn't really prove it because she wasn't
• 1:12:33
  like, obviously passed out drunk.
• 1:12:36
  How long? If I may ask?
• 1:12:38
  How long had she been in rehab at this point?
• 1:12:42
  She had been in rehab for about a week or two when I saw and her
• 1:12:45
  out, So not nearly long enough had they had had they advised, I
• 1:12:52
  mean, I don't know anything about.
• 1:12:55
  I don't know anything about, like, rehab to tell you the
• 1:12:58
  truth. Neither do I really?
• 1:13:01
  I'm, I'm sure that when I signed a route, they probably asked me.
• 1:13:04
  Are you sure? You know, and they asked her,
• 1:13:07
  are you sure? And, of course, we both said,
• 1:13:09
  yes, you know, like, once again, maybe partially my fault for
• 1:13:15
  being naive. Or maybe it's her fault for
• 1:13:18
  being a really good manipulator. I don't know, you know, probably
• 1:13:22
  the latter. Yeah, probably, I'll call extend
• 1:13:26
  to be. Yeah, I don't mean that to be a
• 1:13:28
  I don't mean that to be, you know, a dick or anything but do
• 1:13:31
  nothing as as most people know, I mean, my uncle was an
• 1:13:37
  alcoholic too and you know, he was he was a high-functioning
• 1:13:41
  alcoholic but you know nevertheless and we love them
• 1:13:45
  but even so he was You know, he could be manipulative to, you
• 1:13:49
  know, times you know, me, everybody knows I like to have a
• 1:13:53
  couple beers here and there, I've cut down a lot lately.
• 1:13:56
  I was up to 245. I'm down to like 215 now mainly
• 1:14:01
  just from die exercise and not drinking as much beer because
• 1:14:07
  basically, I want to make sure I'm here as long as possible for
• 1:14:09
  my children. So yeah, well I like beer that
• 1:14:13
  would that was that was that was your catchphrase for me.
• 1:14:17
  For a while it was. But anyway, so you know, we got
• 1:14:23
  her out of rehab and things look like they were going to be
• 1:14:25
  better and I can't remember exactly what started happening
• 1:14:31
  first. But I would say when things
• 1:14:33
  really started to fall apart is Now, sometimes I have trouble
• 1:14:38
  sleeping. And I was up this particular
• 1:14:42
  night and I heard the car start up my car start up, I saw the
• 1:14:49
  cut my car. Pull out of the driveway.
• 1:14:52
  Barry Allen, aye. Who's driving my car in the
• 1:14:54
  middle of the night? Well, it turns out that my
• 1:14:59
  sister stole the keys to my car and she was going out in the
• 1:15:05
  middle of the night to meet this guy that she had met in rehab.
• 1:15:10
  So Say anything, I didn't wake anybody up because I didn't want
• 1:15:12
  to cause a giant scene in the middle of the night but I
• 1:15:14
  literally waited up like a sick, worried concerned, parent all
• 1:15:20
  night until she finally came home around 2:00, 3:00 in the
• 1:15:22
  morning. And when she came home, what I
• 1:15:26
  said to her is I said, do you want to explain yourself, or do
• 1:15:30
  you want me to just start telling you what I think is
• 1:15:33
  going on? And she said, I'll explain
• 1:15:37
  myself. Oh, you know, in rehab, they
• 1:15:39
  tell us that we have to be selfish and we have to do these
• 1:15:42
  things that make us happy. And right now, this guy is
• 1:15:45
  making me happy and obviously, no, that wasn't gonna fly with
• 1:15:49
  me. You know what I mean?
• 1:15:50
  You have kids here, your husband is here.
• 1:15:55
  You're sneaking out of the window in the middle of the
• 1:15:57
  night, the window of my house, just sneaking out the window,
• 1:16:01
  stealing the keys to my car to go out and meet some heroin
• 1:16:04
  addict. This is Mechana fly.
• 1:16:07
  So when it happened is during one of these times when she was
• 1:16:14
  sneaking out to meet this guy, and, of course, the my
• 1:16:17
  brother-in-law found out about this and we all wanted to twist
• 1:16:20
  this guy's head off in Minecraft.
• 1:16:24
  If we ever got a chance to get our hands on them, but So what
• 1:16:32
  had happened is one of these times when she was out for a
• 1:16:35
  long period of time. We told my brother-in-law, take
• 1:16:39
  the kids back home to California where they belong.
• 1:16:42
  Put them back in school and you do what you have to do.
• 1:16:46
  That's best for your children and we'll deal with Nicole.
• 1:16:53
  So eventually she came back saw that the that the van was gone
• 1:17:00
  and that the kids were gone, and she flipped completely out, you
• 1:17:04
  know, oh, well, how could you do this to me?
• 1:17:07
  I just want to see my kids, and we had to say, you've been
• 1:17:11
  passed out. Since you've been here, you've
• 1:17:14
  been mostly either out in the car passed out drunk, or we
• 1:17:19
  didn't know where you were, those with the three options the
• 1:17:21
  entire time you've In here. So don't tell me now you care.
• 1:17:26
  So much about your kids and you just want to see your kids.
• 1:17:29
  You had plenty of time to put your kids first and you didn't.
• 1:17:31
  So we had to make a decision. What was best for your kids and
• 1:17:35
  staying here. With the way you're acting is
• 1:17:39
  not what's best for your children.
• 1:17:41
  So this is when the cracks really started to form, she
• 1:17:44
  became very violent, she had threatened my wife at one point
• 1:17:51
  so it became Came. Where she was not allowed here
• 1:18:00
  on the homestead until she got her shit straight.
• 1:18:04
  So for a while we lost track of her but then we started noticing
• 1:18:10
  like there's two houses on the property.
• 1:18:11
  We started noticing that hey does my dad was working a lot at
• 1:18:15
  the time? Why are like my dad just went
• 1:18:19
  out and bought like a couple pounds of cold cuts yesterday.
• 1:18:22
  Where did they all go? Their all On, I didn't eat them.
• 1:18:25
  Did you eat them? Did you eat them know what's
• 1:18:28
  happening? All this food.
• 1:18:29
  So apparently what had happened in the she was sneaking into the
• 1:18:32
  house here and Stanley my dad's food out of his fridge.
• 1:18:38
  So so hold up. So, that's it.
• 1:18:41
  So, at this point, you basically kick her out and she goes off on
• 1:18:47
  her. You don't know where she's
• 1:18:49
  staring at me. Yeah, I don't know where she's
• 1:18:51
  staying in the meantime though. I did Sneaking in.
• 1:18:55
  Yeah, she is sneaking in obviously she must have been
• 1:18:59
  like a ninja with this because I'm here all the time.
• 1:19:03
  In the meantime though she had gotten she and this guy her
• 1:19:07
  boyfriend or whatever you want to call him had gotten busted
• 1:19:10
  for breaking and entering into a kindergarten after-hours
• 1:19:16
  possession. The guy got busted for assault
• 1:19:20
  on a police officer. Oh geez.
• 1:19:23
  So This is what had happened after we had kicked her out and
• 1:19:27
  said, get your shit straight if you're willing to get your shit
• 1:19:30
  straight, you're always, welcome back here.
• 1:19:32
  But as long as you want to behave like this, you're not
• 1:19:34
  welcome in this house and real quick had like one forcement
• 1:19:39
  contacted you about any of this. Yes, they had showed up they had
• 1:19:43
  showed how I found out about this is because they had showed
• 1:19:46
  up here looking for them. And when they came here they
• 1:19:50
  thought that I was the guy because how are they going to
• 1:19:53
  know? You know they they just know a
• 1:19:56
  name and I was like nope that's that's not me.
• 1:19:59
  Here's my license. If I ever see these people, I
• 1:20:03
  will be sure to call you. And that's kind of where we left
• 1:20:07
  it. But yeah, they had been, you
• 1:20:09
  know, they had been on the radar of the police.
• 1:20:13
  So they had been by here and something to notice to know
• 1:20:18
  about me and my family is, this is the kind of stuff we never
• 1:20:23
  ever would have imagined. We'd be part of, we didn't want
• 1:20:28
  part in any of this white trash, kind of bullshit, you know, the
• 1:20:32
  my my whole life my, you know, we had been preached.
• 1:20:35
  Install, you know, we'd always been told to, you know, keep as
• 1:20:40
  far away from this kind of life in this kind of a world.
• 1:20:43
  And here she was dragging this into my life.
• 1:20:47
  Yeah, so it was a big deal. I don't know anything about the
• 1:20:51
  guy other than he's, a heroin addict to has a violent past and
• 1:20:55
  assaulted a police officer. She was trying to insist that.
• 1:20:58
  If we were good Christians, we would let them into our home and
• 1:21:02
  let them sleep here. Which yeah, that, that, that
• 1:21:07
  tire little old. Yeah, which obviously, you know,
• 1:21:10
  I would have to be just as mentally sick as they are to
• 1:21:14
  even consider that. You know, so obviously it goes
• 1:21:19
  without saying do we said no had not heard from them in a while.
• 1:21:26
  So, the day came of the worst day of my life.
• 1:21:36
  I just put the kids down to sleep.
• 1:21:39
  This is when they were younger, so they used to take midday
• 1:21:42
  naps. I just put them down to sleep.
• 1:21:45
  I went out back. Like I said, I've got some
• 1:21:47
  property here. I went out back in back of my
• 1:21:49
  garage is to go fire off a few rounds at some old furniture and
• 1:21:54
  stuff that I had in a junk pile in back of my garage.
• 1:22:00
  And Decided to come afterwards, walked up poke my head in.
• 1:22:08
  On the kids, they were still sleeping walked over into my
• 1:22:11
  dad's house and to tell you the 100% truth, I came in here
• 1:22:19
  because that's where I keep my bong.
• 1:22:21
  So I came in here to smoke some weed.
• 1:22:26
  While I was in here, I look over and I notice the front door is
• 1:22:29
  open very unusual because we always use the back door.
• 1:22:34
  The front door never ever gets used in this house and hasn't
• 1:22:37
  right long time. So I went and I closed the door
• 1:22:42
  and then I heard a noise upstairs.
• 1:22:47
  So, I very quietly went up the stairs with my gun, like, you
• 1:22:54
  see people do in the movies, you know?
• 1:22:59
  Open up the door to my father's bedroom in there.
• 1:23:01
  They were with items of clothing removed in my father's bed, So
• 1:23:07
  you can imagine I did I did not take that very well.
• 1:23:15
  Oh no. Not at all.
• 1:23:18
  I freaked out and I'm going to tell you exactly what happened
• 1:23:21
  because I don't know if I've ever told anybody exactly what
• 1:23:24
  happened because I kind of wanted to wait until this was
• 1:23:27
  all over. Before I kind of put it out
• 1:23:31
  there, I've done my probation and everything in this is all
• 1:23:35
  Nightmare for me. I pointed the gun at him and
• 1:23:41
  told him to get the fuck out of my house.
• 1:23:45
  My sister decided it was a good idea to step in between the guy
• 1:23:52
  and the gun at which point I had put down the gun.
• 1:23:56
  And told her, you know, what do you want one bullet for both of
• 1:23:58
  you, get the fuck out of here, you know it was I didn't it's my
• 1:24:02
  sister. I don't want to I don't want to
• 1:24:04
  hurt my sister. I just don't want this scumbag
• 1:24:06
  in the house who was under explicit.
• 1:24:10
  Instruction, my sister wasn't explicit instructions.
• 1:24:13
  You never ever bring this guy over to my house.
• 1:24:16
  We don't need these kind of problems in our life.
• 1:24:19
  So anyway, after a lot of shouting and screaming finally
• 1:24:23
  got the guy downstairs out the front door and the guy said
• 1:24:30
  something to me, like, oh, you're that going to make you
• 1:24:32
  feel like a big man. I bet that's not even real going
• 1:24:35
  to take that away from you and stick it up your ass.
• 1:24:37
  So when he said that bam, I fired around into the ground and
• 1:24:42
  they took off running, right? I never fired the gun in their
• 1:24:47
  Direction. It was they were standing this
• 1:24:48
  way. I fired the gun.
• 1:24:49
  On this way. So was never ever fired the gun
• 1:24:54
  at them. They left, I locked up, the
• 1:24:59
  doors, went back into my house and I kind of thought that was
• 1:25:07
  going to be the end of it. But what had happened is, I was
• 1:25:11
  looking out my kitchen window and I saw them come around the
• 1:25:14
  side of my dad's house and literally take my to Cruiser
• 1:25:19
  Chuckles and start to walk away with them.
• 1:25:22
  So even after this they came back to steal from me more
• 1:25:29
  that's when I called the cops which I should not have done
• 1:25:32
  because I kind of royally fucked myself by doing that.
• 1:25:37
  The cops came here. They both my sister and this guy
• 1:25:43
  said I threatened to murder them.
• 1:25:47
  All this other crazy stuff. The cops came with, you know,
• 1:25:55
  SWAT teams. You know, they all had assault
• 1:25:58
  rifles. I saw that they were in the
• 1:26:01
  driveway, I didn't know it was going on.
• 1:26:03
  So I opened up the front door. I had my son in my arms as soon
• 1:26:07
  as I open up the door, the cops are all pointing their rifles.
• 1:26:11
  At me, telling me to put the kid down.
• 1:26:13
  And so I did, you know, walk back bends above your head
• 1:26:18
  higher so we can see your belt line.
• 1:26:19
  You know what, they want to make sure I don't have any weapons
• 1:26:21
  talk. In my belt line, walk backwards
• 1:26:24
  towards my voice and all of a sudden before I know I'm getting
• 1:26:26
  hog-tied and thrown into the back of a car.
• 1:26:29
  And you at this point I imagine you're kind of like what the
• 1:26:33
  fuck like you. Yeah.
• 1:26:35
  I'm thinking what I'm thinking in my head, they must think that
• 1:26:39
  I'm this other guy or something like that because at this point,
• 1:26:41
  I don't know where they are. I no longer see those two so I'm
• 1:26:46
  thinking maybe they think I'm this guy.
• 1:26:48
  I don't know what's going on. But no, I find out later it's
• 1:26:51
  because Cuz they told the cops that I threatened to murder
• 1:26:55
  them. Which is not really accurate of
• 1:26:59
  what happened. You know?
• 1:27:02
  They were trespassing somewhere, they shouldn't have, nobody got
• 1:27:07
  injured which was, you know, my intention was never to injure
• 1:27:11
  anybody. I just didn't want these people
• 1:27:12
  in my house and if it had come to that level, if that guy had
• 1:27:16
  tried to assault me, I probably would have shot him dead.
• 1:27:20
  I mean, I probably would have, but it didn't come to that
• 1:27:23
  because when it came down to it, I didn't want to kill anybody.
• 1:27:26
  Hurt anybody. I just wanted my life to return
• 1:27:29
  to normal. Yeah.
• 1:27:32
  I mean I hate to say it almost and and I want to make clear I'm
• 1:27:36
  not saying that this is what should have happened.
• 1:27:39
  But what I am going to say is if the guy had attacked you And you
• 1:27:46
  had had to defend yourself into him.
• 1:27:49
  That probably would have been better for me.
• 1:27:50
  Yeah, yeah, in a, we're in a weird way, it would have been
• 1:27:54
  better for, you know, it definitely would have been and I
• 1:27:57
  was told that by the, by the, by the state troopers and
• 1:28:01
  everybody. But anyway, so They kept me in
• 1:28:07
  the back. This is happened in August so I
• 1:28:10
  was kept in the back of a cop car in this hot weather for
• 1:28:15
  hours. Well they questioned everybody.
• 1:28:21
  They took me. Initially to the state trooper
• 1:28:26
  barracks where they locked me up.
• 1:28:29
  And since it was the weekend, there was basically no way to
• 1:28:34
  figure out what to do with me at the point.
• 1:28:37
  So at literally midnight. I was locked in a jail cell at
• 1:28:44
  the Monmouth County Correctional Facility.
• 1:28:48
  My first time ever being arrested being in jail.
• 1:28:51
  Anything. I spent a week in there in 22,
• 1:28:58
  our lockup and I cannot tell you how awful it is to be in jail.
• 1:29:05
  If you've never been, I recommend doing everything you
• 1:29:08
  can to not go to jail. It's really, really, really bad.
• 1:29:15
  Yeah. And yeah.
• 1:29:15
  And you don't have to go into detail about that if you don't
• 1:29:19
  want, I mean I didn't get like raped or anything like that.
• 1:29:22
  Most of the people I was locked up with we're in there for most
• 1:29:27
  people who were see jails different than prison jail.
• 1:29:31
  Most people are getting out of there within a reasonable time
• 1:29:34
  frame. Most people just want to keep
• 1:29:36
  the nose clean and they just want to get out.
• 1:29:39
  You know, were you like in the drunk tank or something like
• 1:29:43
  that? I kind of imagine that that's
• 1:29:46
  where they would Stone. Oh, like when you think of like
• 1:29:48
  even though it was a jail, think of a prison.
• 1:29:51
  But that's what it was. You know, like when you think of
• 1:29:55
  like what a prison is like like that's where I was no I was in
• 1:29:58
  line. I was in like Jail, jail jail.
• 1:30:02
  This room I'm sitting in right now is huge compared to the room
• 1:30:06
  that I was locked up in my the the cell I was in you.
• 1:30:11
  Maybe could have fit for upright pianos, and if you stacked them
• 1:30:15
  on top of each other, Well, you know, so did not a big room, the
• 1:30:22
  food in there is awful I must I lost a lot of weight in jail.
• 1:30:28
  Also they never ever turn the lights off.
• 1:30:30
  So you can't sleep. You can't sleep, right?
• 1:30:35
  They come. And they bang on your door every
• 1:30:37
  hour to make sure that I guess your haven't killed yourself or
• 1:30:41
  something like that. Like, I don't know why but so
• 1:30:43
  it's really hard to get any sleep.
• 1:30:46
  The It is all full. The people are cold for the
• 1:30:52
  first few days. I could not even get a towel to
• 1:30:57
  take a shower and then finally, when you gue do finally, get
• 1:31:01
  your towel to go take a shower, it's in the Commons area, which
• 1:31:06
  I understand, they probably do that.
• 1:31:07
  So the guards can keep their eyes on what's happening in the
• 1:31:11
  showers so that that was fine for me, but it's still being
• 1:31:16
  Private person having to basically strip down naked in
• 1:31:20
  front of a bunch of strange dudes to take a shower in jail.
• 1:31:24
  Is obviously a very demeaning thing and also when they take
• 1:31:28
  you into jail, I mean it's the whole thing like they make you
• 1:31:32
  strip down naked in front of them.
• 1:31:34
  When they bring you into jail they make you they make you bend
• 1:31:37
  over and show them your asshole. I'm not joking.
• 1:31:40
  They literally make you bend over and show them and show them
• 1:31:43
  your asshole. Yeah.
• 1:31:44
  So you know in case Can you imagine, you know, me also never
• 1:31:49
  having been in the situation like that and not only that
• 1:31:52
  these guards are making fun of me for the incident of what
• 1:31:56
  happened. And basically said, you're going
• 1:31:58
  to jail for a long time. You're going to go to prison
• 1:32:01
  after this. So I'm like, devastated.
• 1:32:03
  I'm traumatized is literally like the worst experience of my
• 1:32:07
  life. They only let you out.
• 1:32:12
  The only time they let you out, if they let you out for
• 1:32:14
  breakfast. And then you get have a recess
• 1:32:18
  in the middle of the day. So you have two hours outside of
• 1:32:20
  your jail cell there. It's very hard to get access to
• 1:32:25
  the library to read to do any of that stuff.
• 1:32:29
  It's hard to get anything in there.
• 1:32:31
  So literally you are locked in a room with nothing but yourself
• 1:32:35
  and your cellmate for 22 hours a day.
• 1:32:39
  I mean, it's it's awful. So anyway, I spent a week.
• 1:32:47
  In jail. They actually had let me out
• 1:32:51
  early. I wasn't expecting to be let out
• 1:32:54
  until a day or two later but they came into my door open and
• 1:32:59
  they yelled Boris. So I came out and they were like
• 1:33:03
  grab your shit. You're going home and I was like
• 1:33:06
  what, you know, like thank God but I was like shocked that like
• 1:33:10
  thank God. I'm getting out now.
• 1:33:13
  Anyway, they let me out but they would Let me make a phone call
• 1:33:17
  before I left. So literally, I'm in a town
• 1:33:23
  that's like over 10 miles away from where I live, probably more
• 1:33:28
  than that. Like I don't even know how far
• 1:33:29
  it is. If I had to walk from their
• 1:33:32
  home, it would have taken me like half a day.
• 1:33:35
  You know, would have taken me like 12 hours probably if I had
• 1:33:38
  told home, so they just dumped you on like, a street corner.
• 1:33:41
  Basically, with the mountainous, they dumped me on the street
• 1:33:45
  with the bus ticket and I know buses.
• 1:33:47
  Go to my town. Can I ask the ears?
• 1:33:50
  Can I ask a question though, to so you're in prison for a week
• 1:33:57
  and you hadn't had even gotten like sensed or anything at this
• 1:34:02
  point? No, for the first few days.
• 1:34:05
  I didn't. I know why I was locked up.
• 1:34:08
  I had no idea what a charges were.
• 1:34:10
  What was being alleged? I did not know.
• 1:34:15
  I mean, I believe you, it just seems unbelievable that they
• 1:34:21
  would allow you to go for. That they would allow you to go
• 1:34:25
  for a week without, because it's really or anything.
• 1:34:28
  You see, the thing is, is it was the weekend.
• 1:34:31
  So initially they told me I'd probably just be in there until
• 1:34:35
  the beginning of the week and then the beginning of the week,
• 1:34:38
  when I guess all the lawyers and the cops, and everybody else
• 1:34:40
  come in to discuss, what happens with whom they saw a gun
• 1:34:44
  involved well in New Jersey, if a gun is involved in any crime,
• 1:34:49
  it's an automatic 10 years in prison.
• 1:34:51
  So that's what I was facing. Angie, I had learned that about
• 1:34:55
  halfway through my jail sentence when they the first public
• 1:35:02
  defender, thank God. They didn't, they switched me to
• 1:35:05
  somebody else because I did not like him.
• 1:35:07
  But when the public defender came to talk to me, was the
• 1:35:12
  first time I read, I knew what I was facing What charges?
• 1:35:18
  I was facing and what kind of time I was facing and this
• 1:35:23
  Public defender, literally straight up told me, you're
• 1:35:27
  probably going to prison for 10 years.
• 1:35:31
  You know, and of course, I was devastated.
• 1:35:36
  I was very, very upset. Also another thing they don't
• 1:35:38
  tell you about jail is if you're there for a certain amount of
• 1:35:41
  time, they make you go to their doctors or nurses whatever and
• 1:35:47
  they gave me some sort of shot. I don't know what it was for.
• 1:35:50
  But literally, when I got back to my cell, I fell asleep for
• 1:35:55
  probably about the first time I was in jail and I literally
• 1:35:58
  stepped slept for like 12 hours straight.
• 1:36:01
  I'm after they gave me that shot, I don't know what was in
• 1:36:04
  it or what it was for. I asked if there was a way I
• 1:36:08
  could opt out, and they just told me.
• 1:36:09
  No, you have to. You have to take the shot.
• 1:36:13
  That is. I mean, that that is just, that
• 1:36:18
  is Draconian that they did that. And also, you know, during the
• 1:36:25
  presentation you're just out of curiosity because I have some
• 1:36:30
  New Jersey listeners. And you might have seen some of
• 1:36:33
  them on Twitter, but was film was is film Murphy governor of
• 1:36:40
  New Jersey. At this point is, is that when
• 1:36:42
  I, I believe her, He is still is Governor at this point, there is
• 1:36:52
  a bright side to Murphy. Be Governor, which I'll address
• 1:36:57
  a little bit later. But so I was in jail about a
• 1:37:03
  week through. I knew what I was about halfway
• 1:37:06
  through the week. I knew what I was facing
• 1:37:09
  eventually I got dumped on the street and It was so funny
• 1:37:16
  because, you know, I was so miserable and so happy to be out
• 1:37:20
  of jail. I literally, as I was walking, I
• 1:37:25
  had said a prayer That I just wanted to get home and if God
• 1:37:32
  could find a way to get me home, I would literally get down on
• 1:37:35
  the ground and kiss my father, and my wife's feet when I got
• 1:37:37
  home. And just as I was walking down
• 1:37:42
  the main street of this town. This lady came out of her house
• 1:37:46
  and she was wearing a shirt that said angel on it.
• 1:37:51
  So, after I asked her, if I could borrow her, if I could
• 1:37:58
  borrow her cell phone and said you don't even have to, let me
• 1:38:01
  hold it, touch it or anything. But could you, please just call
• 1:38:03
  my father? I'd obviously, she didn't know.
• 1:38:06
  I just got out of jail. I wasn't going to mention that
• 1:38:08
  because, you know, I just said to, you know, could you please
• 1:38:13
  just give me give my father a call and let him know.
• 1:38:16
  I'm walking down Main Street towards the Freehold Mall.
• 1:38:23
  So she said no problem. She let me use the phone and you
• 1:38:27
  know, I called my dad and it just so happened that my aunt
• 1:38:31
  had been there that day. So they my dad literally jumped
• 1:38:33
  in my aunt's car, and ran right over to, to come, pick me up and
• 1:38:39
  literally, when I When I got home, I got down on my hands and
• 1:38:42
  knees and I kissed my father's feet and my wife speaks, I was
• 1:38:45
  so grateful to be home. Yeah, man.
• 1:38:55
  Jesus yeah. You've been through the wringer.
• 1:38:59
  Yeah. But um, just to sum up.
• 1:39:01
  So then after that it took a year to actually go into court
• 1:39:08
  for this and the first thing I did is we went to a judge to get
• 1:39:14
  a waiver for the graves act. The graves Act is the things in
• 1:39:17
  new is the thing. New Jersey that states.
• 1:39:21
  If a gun Is used in a crime, it's an automatic 10 year, jail
• 1:39:26
  sentence, a prison sentence not jail.
• 1:39:31
  Does that include cases of self-defense, because I
• 1:39:35
  remembered, and if it's if it's, if it's clear, if it's
• 1:39:38
  self-defense, it's not a crime. Okay.
• 1:39:44
  So you know, obviously they had not seen what had happened with
• 1:39:50
  me as self-defense even though nobody was injured.
• 1:39:57
  I didn't shoot anybody, nobody got shot.
• 1:40:00
  But anyway what they did is they the judge had basically said
• 1:40:04
  that to prosecute me under the graves act would be a serious
• 1:40:08
  miscarriage of justice. So I was lucky as Hours, that
• 1:40:13
  goes. So that automatic 10 year prison
• 1:40:16
  sentence was off the table. Basically, the deal I had made
• 1:40:22
  was they had me on three felony charges.
• 1:40:28
  I think it was assault with a deadly weapon, illegal discharge
• 1:40:34
  of a firearm and felony assault. Basically, the deal I had made
• 1:40:42
  is that if if I wanted to go to trial, they would have tried to
• 1:40:47
  prosecute me on all three. Felony charges.
• 1:40:49
  Are Jews and they would have brought state troopers.
• 1:40:51
  And, you know, all these people that were involved to basically,
• 1:40:55
  get in there and say, I'm a liar, I'm a scumbag.
• 1:40:57
  I'm the worst guy in the world, I deserved to go to prison.
• 1:41:00
  And in that case, I would be facing probably about 10 years
• 1:41:04
  on each charge, so about, like, 30 years in prison.
• 1:41:07
  He's so obviously, I was not liking the sound of that.
• 1:41:13
  I tried to do these programs that are supposed to defer any
• 1:41:18
  sort of Ian. But which is called PTI the PTI
• 1:41:24
  officer. I had talked to said that she
• 1:41:26
  thought I was a really good candidate and agreed that I
• 1:41:29
  should not be in trouble for what happened unfortunately.
• 1:41:33
  This lesbian prosecutor who was in charge of Prosecuting me
• 1:41:38
  literally. Blue-haired Dyke said that?
• 1:41:43
  No I'm a violent individual. I really should be spending.
• 1:41:49
  Years, at least in prison for what I did.
• 1:41:54
  So basically what ended up happening is I to stay out of
• 1:41:58
  jail, I plead guilty to the one, felony assault charge and went
• 1:42:04
  on probation for one year, so it literally after the arrest date,
• 1:42:09
  it took me two years to be done with this.
• 1:42:12
  It took me one year after the incident to find out I was going
• 1:42:16
  to go on probation for a year was and then I did the year of
• 1:42:20
  Probation and now I'm free. Okay, so so I want to interject
• 1:42:30
  here real quick just to just off the audience now, because this
• 1:42:35
  is probably the first time I'm ever telling you the full story.
• 1:42:37
  I think I told you the nuts and bolts of some of it, but not
• 1:42:41
  like, the not the nuts and bolts and all the finer details.
• 1:42:45
  Yeah, this is the first time I'm hearing this, this is the first
• 1:42:49
  time I'm hearing the store, the thing I want to clarify and I
• 1:42:52
  know, I know that I clarified for the item that I clarified,
• 1:42:58
  this for you, over the phone, when we first reconnected, why?
• 1:43:03
  At the end of last year, but for the audience, because there were
• 1:43:07
  a lot of people when you got arrested who, you know, asked me
• 1:43:13
  to comment on what happened, what happened, what happened
• 1:43:17
  from my hand was Someone had told me that you were. in jail
• 1:43:23
  and I'm not going to mention who it was because you know, they
• 1:43:26
  want to remain anonymous, but it was someone we both know and you
• 1:43:31
  know I was told that you were most likely going to face ten
• 1:43:35
  years in prison and because of the whole You know, draw because
• 1:43:41
  of part of this drama with, you know, Islands group, and this
• 1:43:46
  other group that, you know, we've always had kind of
• 1:43:49
  dealings with, I was kind of got advised that it would kind of be
• 1:43:57
  in my best interest to kind of break contact.
• 1:44:03
  Yeah. With you just because it would
• 1:44:05
  avoid Yeah, and I understand, I understand the thinking of that.
• 1:44:11
  But yeah, here's what you are. So to back up, so that's this.
• 1:44:16
  That's what happened. From your point of view.
• 1:44:18
  Now, Vermont in, this is the part where really this is what
• 1:44:21
  Sam, and I really wanted to talk about on this episode, but I
• 1:44:26
  think it was important to kind of tell the whole back story and
• 1:44:29
  get everything out there. From my point of view I was
• 1:44:34
  arrested. I spent half a week in jail.
• 1:44:37
  Not knowing what was going on the other half of the week
• 1:44:40
  believing that I was probably going to be going to prison for
• 1:44:43
  a long time. I was so grateful to be home,
• 1:44:49
  you know, have that many in real life friends.
• 1:44:53
  So one of the first things I did was logged into Discord to talk
• 1:44:56
  to you. And some of the other people who
• 1:45:00
  I thought were my friends, only to find out that I had been
• 1:45:03
  kicked out of every single one of their Circle.
• 1:45:06
  So I didn't even In, have anybody to talk to about what
• 1:45:09
  had happened? And not one of you had asked me,
• 1:45:14
  what happened? So, obviously I was, I was
• 1:45:18
  extremely upset about that and which, you know, to be right
• 1:45:22
  there. I don't think I was just mad at
• 1:45:24
  you because I kind of understand the way that the rest of the
• 1:45:27
  group can be. And I figured they were probably
• 1:45:29
  putting how would I felt at the time was that they had probably
• 1:45:33
  probably put pressure on you to distance More hurt by the fact
• 1:45:39
  that I felt like you abandoned me.
• 1:45:40
  Where the rest of them was like, well, I've had problems on and
• 1:45:43
  off with those people. Yeah, the year.
• 1:45:46
  So I was upset, but I think I was the most upset when, when I
• 1:45:51
  felt like you weren't there for me.
• 1:45:53
  Yeah, well, and, and to be fair, knowing, I know, I know now.
• 1:45:57
  And like I said, Chuck and I discuss this in private, you
• 1:46:02
  know, had I known the full story of what was going on.
• 1:46:07
  You know, I probably, I probably would have been, you know, more
• 1:46:12
  more some sympathetic to, you know, when the other thing is,
• 1:46:17
  they were out telling people some crazy story that from what
• 1:46:24
  I understood. The rumor they were spreading is
• 1:46:29
  that I got arrested because I chased down my brother-in-law
• 1:46:33
  with a gun in a parking lot. I don't know where Got that
• 1:46:37
  story from or who concocted that, but that is complete
• 1:46:43
  bullshit. In a figment of somebody's
• 1:46:45
  imagination, because nothing like that ever, ever, ever
• 1:46:49
  happened the story that I had heard and and again, I don't,
• 1:46:54
  you know, I think it was probably someone hurt, someone
• 1:46:58
  heard this that, you know, it was basically telephone.
• 1:47:02
  Yeah. But what I had heard is that
• 1:47:04
  your is that like Is that the guy had like?
• 1:47:11
  I have like, you know, that you and then like I guess like, you
• 1:47:16
  know you're basically basically I heard was that you got into
• 1:47:22
  was that like your I heard that you were talking shit about your
• 1:47:27
  sister and your brother-in-law. I guess Cana even like you I
• 1:47:32
  guess pointed a gun at him. That was what I had heard.
• 1:47:36
  It was like it was really like point point being, it wasn't
• 1:47:40
  reflective of reality, which is also why I was so upset when
• 1:47:45
  people refused to talk to me in citing that as a reason because
• 1:47:50
  it was like, that's not even what happened, you know, you
• 1:47:53
  guys didn't even Bothered to ask me, what happened?
• 1:47:57
  I just got back from the worst experience of my life to find
• 1:48:01
  that literally all you guys were like, Fuck You Chuck.
• 1:48:04
  You know. It was like what did you know?
• 1:48:06
  I need more than anything at that point.
• 1:48:09
  I felt like I needed support and I felt like everybody had just
• 1:48:13
  abandoned me. Besides you know obviously the
• 1:48:15
  most important is my wife and my father and my kids are too
• 1:48:18
  young. Sure.
• 1:48:19
  Stand at the time, you know but still at that point in time you
• 1:48:23
  know you You want to feel like people are on your side,
• 1:48:28
  especially because I didn't go looking for trouble.
• 1:48:31
  It wasn't something. I had planned ever planned on
• 1:48:36
  doing, you know, it was a trouble had found me and thank
• 1:48:41
  God, nobody got hurt and really if this had happened in any
• 1:48:45
  other state, I probably wouldn't be in trouble if I if it had
• 1:48:48
  happened to anywhere south of Jersey, I wouldn't have even
• 1:48:51
  been in trouble, which is also why I was so upset at these.
• 1:48:54
  People who claim to be on on the right wing of things
• 1:48:59
  conservatives. All big Second Amendment.
• 1:49:03
  People would then criticize me. For doing what I felt like I had
• 1:49:09
  to do at the time to defend myself in my home.
• 1:49:13
  Yeah, and sure. Maybe now you can try to claim.
• 1:49:15
  Well, you really didn't have to defend yourself with the weapon.
• 1:49:19
  You can say that now, but you weren't there.
• 1:49:22
  The only thing I knew about this guy is that he was guilty of
• 1:49:27
  assaulting a police officer, and is a former and probably current
• 1:49:32
  heroin addict. And also, when they had gotten
• 1:49:34
  busted, they got busted with also Meth.
• 1:49:39
  So you know what person in the right mind would be cool with
• 1:49:46
  that. All of a sudden entering into
• 1:49:48
  your house, unannounced, you would have to be mentally sick
• 1:49:52
  to be okay with that. You know, I'm not running a
• 1:49:55
  rehab here some halfway house, right?
• 1:49:57
  This is my home where I wear me, my wife and my children sleep,
• 1:50:03
  you know. Yeah.
• 1:50:07
  Why? I mean, I could do a whole
• 1:50:10
  podcast about this just in general and this might be a good
• 1:50:14
  one, but why, why is New Jersey's gun laws?
• 1:50:20
  So fucked up? I don't know.
• 1:50:24
  It's also because it's funny because when people think of New
• 1:50:28
  Jersey who aren't from New Jersey, they think of it as an
• 1:50:32
  extension of New York City. They think oh, well, all that
• 1:50:37
  crime running around, you know, like the inner city we don't
• 1:50:40
  need guns on the streets there. So we got to make it real hard
• 1:50:42
  to like, getting really crack down on those gun laws of people
• 1:50:46
  don't understand that like, there's New York City and then
• 1:50:51
  there's new work in that whole area of New Jersey right next to
• 1:50:55
  New York. But after you go south from
• 1:50:58
  there, eventually the factory stop the refinery stop.
• 1:51:03
  They call New Jersey, the Garden State for a Isn't around me, it
• 1:51:07
  is nothing but Sod Farms corn Farms horse farms, it's all
• 1:51:16
  Farms out here. There is no local police
• 1:51:19
  station. So, once again, another reason
• 1:51:22
  why I felt it was necessary for me to arm myself, because, you
• 1:51:26
  know what they say, when seconds count the police are minutes
• 1:51:29
  away. Well, where I am.
• 1:51:32
  When seconds count, the police are Two minutes away.
• 1:51:37
  Sure. So, you know, it's it's a
• 1:51:40
  totally different situation. People don't understand.
• 1:51:43
  Really it should not be under those restrictive rules because,
• 1:51:49
  you know, not that. I'm justifying crazy gun laws
• 1:51:52
  that they have in New York or anything.
• 1:51:54
  But I'm, I think that's them. I'm just trying to play Devil's
• 1:51:57
  Advocate with the mentality. Might be of these people who
• 1:52:00
  were in control of this sort of thing.
• 1:52:02
  Yeah, it doesn't make any sense in the context of where I live
• 1:52:06
  in the context of where I live. It makes absolutely no sense.
• 1:52:10
  Why people shouldn't be allowed to have guns 0.
• 1:52:13
  Because in New Jersey, you do not have in.
• 1:52:17
  This is why I was in trouble in New Jersey.
• 1:52:20
  There is no stand your ground law.
• 1:52:23
  You do not have a right to defend yourself a New Jersey,
• 1:52:27
  you only have a right to retreat, which is that was,
• 1:52:32
  which is just a play. Devil's Advocate.
• 1:52:36
  I can understand where you're going with that.
• 1:52:39
  However, it's a flawed idea because number one in my
• 1:52:47
  context, where am I going to retreat to?
• 1:52:50
  This is my house. You know, I wasn't out somewhere
• 1:52:55
  else. We have gone, you know, acting
• 1:52:57
  crazy acting way she, which by the way, I suppose I should
• 1:53:03
  clarify that like, that. That was, that was kind, like,
• 1:53:07
  another thing that got, you know, thrown into the story.
• 1:53:10
  I heard that like you weren't actually at your home that like
• 1:53:15
  no, yeah, I was in my home. Yeah, this is my home.
• 1:53:19
  Yeah. So, so once Again, if you are
• 1:53:24
  any sort of believer in the Second Amendment, you really
• 1:53:28
  should have no problem with what I did.
• 1:53:33
  But I'll tell you why, I regret what I did, I regret what it
• 1:53:38
  what I did because it caused in maybe in probably most likely in
• 1:53:45
  irreparable Rift between me and my sister you know, and I'll be
• 1:53:55
  will probably never ever be on speaking terms again because of
• 1:54:00
  this. So I lament is the loss of my
• 1:54:04
  sister. Not the fact that I felt I had
• 1:54:06
  to defend myself against some scumbag drug addict.
• 1:54:09
  In my home. I could give a shit less about
• 1:54:12
  that guy and and I do not feel bad at all, say in this.
• 1:54:19
  If that guy doesn't find Jesus, I literally hope that he dies in
• 1:54:23
  the street. I hope I hope everything bad
• 1:54:26
  fucking thing that could ever happen happens to this guy
• 1:54:29
  because not only do you ruin my life.
• 1:54:31
  He ruined my sister's life. So I wish nothing but you know
• 1:54:36
  fuck you very much to that guy. You know, I do, I wish nothing
• 1:54:41
  good upon that guy, you know. I hope that someday he finds
• 1:54:46
  Jesus I guess and saves himself from hell but that's about the
• 1:54:49
  most. I can never wish on the guy.
• 1:54:51
  Yeah, yeah. I mean, as far as you and your
• 1:54:57
  sister go, I mean like I don't I don't think any of this is your
• 1:55:00
  fault. I mean you put up with You put
• 1:55:04
  up with a lot, you know, I was just trying to do the right
• 1:55:08
  thing, you know, and a lot of times, but a lot of people know
• 1:55:13
  is that sometimes the right thing is not a black or white
• 1:55:15
  issue. A lot of times it's kind of
• 1:55:17
  gray, of course, you know. So once again I really don't
• 1:55:21
  have any regrets about about what I did.
• 1:55:23
  The only thing I regret is the way it damaged my reputation in
• 1:55:27
  the loss of my sister because now, I am a convicted felon of
• 1:55:32
  mind. You a Did felon who has been
• 1:55:35
  convicted of a violent felony assault, even though nobody laid
• 1:55:41
  hands on one another and nobody ever got hurt.
• 1:55:44
  What is it going to look like when somebody sees, I'm a
• 1:55:46
  violent convicted felon. You know what I mean?
• 1:55:50
  So literally this is really has. I'm going to say it's ruined my
• 1:55:54
  life because right now I'm a stay-at-home dads.
• 1:55:56
  Really don't feel the effects of it very much the part that
• 1:56:00
  mainly ruin my life was going to jail and stuff and thank God
• 1:56:03
  that It's all over. But, you know, I, I know some
• 1:56:07
  second amendment rights people that might like to talk to you
• 1:56:11
  after this? Yeah, I would love to at the
• 1:56:13
  time, you know, when I told my story to other people, they had
• 1:56:16
  said, I should have gotten some attorney.
• 1:56:21
  That was a champion of second amendment rights, but here's the
• 1:56:26
  thing. If I let this go to trial, they
• 1:56:27
  would have tried to convict me on three, felony charges?
• 1:56:32
  Yeah. You know.
• 1:56:34
  So at the time I was scared shitless.
• 1:56:36
  I just wanted to get home and also I would have been in jail
• 1:56:39
  for God knows how much longer until they sorted this shit out,
• 1:56:42
  you know? Well, ironically if you if you
• 1:56:45
  had been in jail, ironically if you had been in jail, when covid
• 1:56:50
  had happened, they might have let you go since you obviously.
• 1:56:53
  What all the. And that's, that's a whole
• 1:56:58
  nother. The other thing I wanted to say
• 1:57:00
  because you mentioned Murphy one.
• 1:57:03
  Of my big problems was that I wasn't going to be able to vote
• 1:57:08
  anymore because I'm a felon. However, in New Jersey, Murphy,
• 1:57:14
  lifted that so felons can vote. So, I am still able to vote The
• 1:57:21
  one good thing that he did, you know, because that's a thing.
• 1:57:24
  You know, you have to understand being in jail to also opened my
• 1:57:31
  eyes to the nature of jail and why people are, they're not
• 1:57:37
  everybody there in jail. Regardless, whether there's
• 1:57:41
  somebody like me convicted of a felony or somebody in there for
• 1:57:44
  drunk driving, most people who were in there are in there over
• 1:57:49
  some bullshit. Shit.
• 1:57:50
  They shouldn't even be locked up at all my.
• 1:57:55
  It's a very heavy-handed overzealous way to treat people
• 1:58:01
  to lock them in a Cell for a week for 22 hours and feed them
• 1:58:05
  dog food. Three times a day.
• 1:58:07
  It's awful. It's growing on usual, it's
• 1:58:10
  cruel and unusual punishment. You know, who deserves that
• 1:58:13
  rapists. Murderers.
• 1:58:15
  People like that, you know. Not not somebody who is just
• 1:58:19
  trying to defend. Their home and mind you nobody
• 1:58:23
  got hurt. You know what I mean?
• 1:58:25
  Nobody got injured. So what assault happened?
• 1:58:28
  You know nobody. Nobody laid hands on one
• 1:58:30
  another. Yeah well I mean so since you
• 1:58:35
  and I have even kind of before you and I reconnected I I I want
• 1:58:44
  to say I'm a what I want to say. I'm a Libertarian full-on
• 1:58:47
  because I think the libertarian party is kind of disorganized
• 1:58:51
  and what I had said to you, one time about the Libertarians is
• 1:58:55
  nobody's ever Liberty enough for them.
• 1:58:57
  Right now, there's all these, there's all these smaller
• 1:59:00
  factions within it and all of them think they're more Liberty
• 1:59:04
  than the other, you know? So yeah, but I will say this,
• 1:59:08
  This one thing, that one thing that I think they one thing and
• 1:59:12
  I think they have in a good on it and one thing that I
• 1:59:15
  definitely agree with them on is the fact that the prison system
• 1:59:20
  in this country sucks balls. And oh, we need Reformation.
• 1:59:26
  Do you know this? Do you know that they charge you
• 1:59:29
  every day? You're in jail?
• 1:59:31
  Yeah. I actually yep.
• 1:59:33
  I think it was $15 a day, and it's funny because when you're
• 1:59:36
  in jail and you're locked up with One, dude, you better try
• 1:59:39
  to get along with that dude, you know, and it's to at least keep
• 1:59:43
  yourself sane. It's funny because when I had
• 1:59:46
  learned that I turned to my cellmate who I still talk to
• 1:59:49
  every once in a while he's out now to, he was in there over
• 1:59:52
  some BS to but that's not my job to tell his story.
• 1:59:56
  But it's funny because I turned to him and I said man is the
• 1:59:59
  shittiest Hotel I ever been in? And he thought that was so
• 2:00:03
  funny. He just was when you're locked
• 2:00:05
  up in jail, you know what I mean?
• 2:00:07
  You need. Bit of levity.
• 2:00:09
  House urine get yeah, I And again, I know I know people are
• 2:00:17
  going to say, grafter Fanboy, whatever.
• 2:00:21
  But I mean here, hearing your experience and and then also was
• 2:00:26
  talking to Joey Diaz is podcast and all of his stories of
• 2:00:32
  prison. Where he's an actual like
• 2:00:35
  hardened felon, you know. It's it's crazy.
• 2:00:40
  What? You know what, some of the
• 2:00:43
  stores he is told about prism. Yeah, I think God, I never saw
• 2:00:49
  prison, but yeah, jail is bad enough.
• 2:00:52
  Yeah, the Imagine prison is were so here's the the other thing.
• 2:00:58
  While I was in jail, my sister had come by here to make some
• 2:01:09
  demands, which of course were not met.
• 2:01:12
  But in that time, she had attempted to attack.
• 2:01:17
  My wife kicked the bumper off of my wife's car.
• 2:01:22
  And also told my father that she hoped while I was in jail that I
• 2:01:26
  got raped by a Big black and word.
• 2:01:30
  Oh Jesus. So, you know what I mean?
• 2:01:36
  The fact that this is like, when I say this is one of the worst
• 2:01:40
  experiences of my life. I mean, it, it really was one of
• 2:01:43
  the worst experiences of my life and I just hope that someday,
• 2:01:47
  you know, you know. Pray, pray for my family, you
• 2:01:52
  know, it's all I could say, pray, pray for my family.
• 2:01:55
  You know, this is some real. Why?
• 2:01:57
  White trash bullshit that I never ever thought, you know, I
• 2:02:00
  would be involved in. It's not the way that we were
• 2:02:04
  raised my grandmother and my grandfather would be turning
• 2:02:08
  over in their graves, you know? So what can I say?
• 2:02:15
  You know what I mean? Let's find up.
• 2:02:20
  So I mean I guess I mean, you've you've kind of annoying low for
• 2:02:28
  a bit, you know. I know that you're on.
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  I know that you are in Discord. I technically, I'm not, but my
• 2:02:38
  Alter Ego is wink wink. And, you know, my alter-ego
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  talks to on there. I feel and I know that you're
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  that you've been planning on doing some I guess.
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  Well I don't even want to preface it that way.
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  Basically what I want to ask is what's next for shock boars.
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  Well basically, as I had said before my bread and butter for a
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  long time, was the parody songs and stuff like that, and I kind
• 2:03:13
  of transitioned away from mainly the parodies and I started doing
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  a comedy variety. Sketch show called we interrupt
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  this broadcast, which was besides a few things.
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  Pretty much entirely written directed.
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  Acted recorded filmed all by me. So it was a major undertaking
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  and it was fun to do but it was also a lot of work for you know
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  for the for the amount of views I was getting.
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  So when it comes to that world, what I'm doing right now is I'm
• 2:03:47
  taking some of the better B. From the old stuff.
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  Plus I'm writing new stuff because I'm going to make the we
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  interrupt this broadcast movie. Which should have some, a lot
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  of, you'll see some familiar faces, some old material, some
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  new material, but you'll see some familiar faces and
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  characters. I'm not going to include the
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  parody songs in it, because I want to make a movie that I can
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  genuinely call mine and not have borrowed.
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  Anybody else's material, any music involved is going to be
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  100% my music. So it's Going to be that's my
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  plan for that and I'll let that sit for a while.
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  But basically I'm transitioning back to what I initially started
• 2:04:38
  by YouTube to do, which is to be just a regular musician and
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  people are very opinionated on me as a musician in general.
• 2:04:48
  People think I'm a better guitarist than a singer, which
• 2:04:51
  is definitely true. I'm definitely a much better
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  guitars to the name of singer as far as my voice goes.
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  What I would say is, It's for me, it's good enough for rock
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  and roll. I'm never going to be one of
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  those American Idol type singers.
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  It's not mean, it won't be me. I mean, I mean, those, those,
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  those American Idol people. They haven't, they have no
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  Talent anyway. I mean, you know.
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  Well, did they have? They have nice voices.
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  You know what I mean? That's that's about it.
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  They don't write their own music for anything, you know, they
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  sing other people's songs but their voice is slightly better.
• 2:05:28
  You know, these for me will always bring up is like when
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  people say stuff about my voice. Oh yeah.
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  Well, how's Bob Dylan's voice? How's Neil Young's voice Cosmic
• 2:05:39
  Jagger's voice. None of them really have that
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  good of voices but they're okay. Singers.
• 2:05:45
  They do what they do. Well, yes their style.
• 2:05:50
  It's only recently that everybody has to be like this
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  pretty boy, with the golden Voice.
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  You know there for me, there's more going on to me than my
• 2:06:03
  singing. You know what I mean?
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  So when people focus on My Singing, it's like, did you not
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  pay attention to the full band recording that you just heard
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  that I did by myself? Like, that's me playing drums,
• 2:06:14
  and bass and guitar, and I recorded all this.
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  I didn't yell myself, I didn't pay anybody, I didn't go to
• 2:06:21
  recording studio. I built my own recording studio.
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  I did all this myself, you know, I think that's worth at least
• 2:06:27
  some sort of of credit other than your voice sucks.
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  Yeah. I've always, I've, I don't know
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  if I've actually said this to you, but the one thing I've said
• 2:06:38
  to people in your Discord and Even from the people in your
• 2:06:43
  District or Diamond like what is Sam talking?
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  I've always, I've always said that, you remind me a lot of
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  Stewart Copeland from the boys because he does a lot of kind of
• 2:06:56
  them. Looking at my stuff.
• 2:06:57
  My face, my face kind of like this shape, kind of looks like
• 2:07:01
  his today. I don't know whether it is, I
• 2:07:02
  just shaved or what but like I kind of look, I could see that
• 2:07:06
  look at me right now. Well, you know, he has kind of
• 2:07:09
  like a very off-color sense of humor.
• 2:07:11
  If you've ever wanted Any of his like solo stuff but also I mean
• 2:07:17
  he does all have he does all of his, you know, own instrumentals
• 2:07:21
  to most things in line and kind of also very your kind of mix of
• 2:07:27
  him and then I guess Zappa to kind was too kind of asserting
• 2:07:32
  snas stylist. Yeah well I appreciate that.
• 2:07:37
  Those are at least some good references because I've had some
• 2:07:40
  pretty crummy ones. So pretty, I mean, pretty
• 2:07:44
  esoteric, but hey, you know, I mean here are two, so I'm kind
• 2:07:53
  of out there. As far as my musical tastes.
• 2:07:56
  I really am all over as far as like my guitar playing.
• 2:07:59
  I mean, I'm definitely very heavily influenced by Neil Young
• 2:08:04
  David Gilmour. You know, the Great's that the
• 2:08:09
  guitar players you would expect Jimi Hendrix.
• 2:08:12
  I'm not that I'm saying I play guitar, anything like those
• 2:08:16
  people in a obviously Brian May of Queen because my main guitar
• 2:08:19
  is the Brian May red special. So you could see where my
• 2:08:23
  influences, like I don't really play guitar, anything like those
• 2:08:29
  people. But I think at times you could
• 2:08:31
  definitely hear the influence of those guitarists upon my plane
• 2:08:36
  basically that's my focus. Now is I just want to go back to
• 2:08:39
  being a guitar player you know? I just want to make music.
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  Music and with we interrupt this broadcast, you know, hopefully
• 2:08:46
  make some people laugh, you know, I got a kick out of doing
• 2:08:49
  it. Maybe people don't get my sense
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  of humor, but, you know, I enjoyed it for the few positive
• 2:08:56
  reactions. I did get when I was doing that
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  show it meant a lot to me, you know.
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  Yeah. I mean.
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  Yeah. I and I was thought that like,
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  we, we interrupt this broadcast mean I liked it It was kind of
• 2:09:13
  quirky, but again, I mean, I like quirky stuff.
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  It's, you know, it's the thing is that I don't think people
• 2:09:22
  understood what it was, you know, I don't know.
• 2:09:30
  I don't think the people got what I was going for or if it
• 2:09:34
  came a, if we're if it came across the way, I ended had
• 2:09:38
  intended it to, it's still what I wanted to do.
• 2:09:41
  Do I just don't think that people saw it the same way I
• 2:09:47
  did? So kind of leading off that.
• 2:09:51
  I mean, I suppose. What did you what did you view?
• 2:09:57
  As because I always I always kind of interpreted as like okay
• 2:10:01
  this is this is Chuck's thing but just like David Lynch, he's
• 2:10:05
  leaving it up, it up for the audience to kind of took me to
• 2:10:09
  put it. and I hope people aren't offended by this reference
• 2:10:15
  because I'm not trying to like, Compare myself necessarily to
• 2:10:21
  this, but I guess I am comparing some using as a comparison, but
• 2:10:26
  it was kind of my live action. Version of Robot Chicken.
• 2:10:33
  If that makes any sense. Yeah, okay.
• 2:10:37
  Yeah. Robot Chicken, Robot.
• 2:10:39
  Chicken was all, is a lot more like pop culture references than
• 2:10:43
  I was doing, but that kind of quick sketch, you know, where
• 2:10:48
  it's like, all right you? You just a short sketch, people
• 2:10:52
  get the joke you move on, you know, like there was the
• 2:10:54
  characters like tailor-made. He's this overzealous preacher,
• 2:11:01
  the the stand-up comic Just a really bad stand-up comic comic
• 2:11:05
  and all of his jokes sucks and everybody hates them.
• 2:11:08
  It was just these like short premises, you know, and things
• 2:11:11
  like that. Oh and though I'd have to agree
• 2:11:14
  with that, definitely, as far as that goes, you know, his
• 2:11:22
  stand-up was never really that good.
• 2:11:23
  Some of his relationship humor had potential and was okay, but
• 2:11:31
  I haven't seen the last few quote-unquote, stand-up specials
• 2:11:36
  that he's done, but from what I've heard, it's not even jokes.
• 2:11:40
  It's him. Just basically like it's one of
• 2:11:42
  his live streams, but he's calling a special eye and his
• 2:11:47
  live streams. I haven't, well, Apex and I
• 2:11:53
  watched like the end of one of few weeks ago because it was
• 2:11:56
  taught, he was hung out like the Super Bowl and whatnot and in
• 2:12:02
  wasn't åland Islands, just been weird and he just keeps getting
• 2:12:07
  weirder and, you know, there's nothing to its end same with I
• 2:12:14
  mean so this is kind of the other thing I kind of wanted to
• 2:12:17
  hear and you don't have to comment but I I noticed like
• 2:12:22
  since Owen the whole internet has kind of gone weird with all
• 2:12:29
  these weird characters that have kind of like well I mean I
• 2:12:35
  suppose I hope you don't mind if I bring this up but I mean after
• 2:12:39
  merch shit talk me he immediately shit talk to you.
• 2:12:44
  And I have a feeling that was because he's some out thought
• 2:12:48
  that like you and I were connected.
• 2:12:51
  So he figured if he was going to go after me, he could shet, talk
• 2:12:54
  you either? The other thing is that he tried
• 2:12:56
  to say is that I know you're one of those DZ people and it's just
• 2:13:01
  if you think that that just shows you have not been paying
• 2:13:03
  attention to anything going on in my corner of the internet.
• 2:13:09
  No. So the whole point is that
• 2:13:11
  anything mersh had to say about me.
• 2:13:14
  Was based upon the only place that reality existed is in his
• 2:13:19
  head. You know, I never had a real
• 2:13:24
  problem with him. We had kind of grown a drone
• 2:13:27
  apart for a while he was playing my parodies on asked.
• 2:13:31
  By the way, the only time I would ever message mersh about
• 2:13:35
  my parities is, I would tell him, do not play this one on
• 2:13:40
  your show because you will get copyright striked.
• 2:13:44
  It's the only time I would ever message him about it.
• 2:13:47
  I would never say, hey, could you play this on my on your show
• 2:13:50
  for me, he did that all on his own, you know, that was his own
• 2:13:54
  thing and then I guess when it became inconvenient or less
• 2:14:01
  profitable, I don't know. Exactly what I'm saying to keep
• 2:14:04
  playing my stuff. He stopped, you know, and we
• 2:14:07
  went our separate ways on till all of a sudden, one day.
• 2:14:10
  He's mentioning my name again. And now of once again, I have
• 2:14:13
  all the same Stuff that happened with the Bears coming into my
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  life over again. And it's, and that's what I was
• 2:14:20
  also so offended. Because the weeks before that, I
• 2:14:23
  had made it very clear that I was trying very hard to distance
• 2:14:28
  myself from those sorts of things, other than talking about
• 2:14:31
  them in a form like this, I really don't want to be tied up
• 2:14:35
  too much in that world anymore. I want to move on.
• 2:14:38
  I don't want to be remembered as the dude on the internet that I
• 2:14:43
  don't want to be remembered as the Parody guy.
• 2:14:44
  The Owen Benjamin parody guy, you know I'd rather be
• 2:14:48
  remembered hey that guy that's pretty good at guitar but can't
• 2:14:51
  sing that good. I would much rather have people
• 2:14:53
  remember that. Yeah, well I mean the other
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  thing though to and this is kind of sphere that I've moved into
• 2:15:00
  his you know you're pretty knowledgeable on the whole comic
• 2:15:04
  book you know and pop culture thing especially with you know
• 2:15:09
  anime. So if you were to do common here
• 2:15:12
  I mean I could definitely see you maybe.
• 2:15:14
  Doing something like Guerra From Nerd Rod like does or something
• 2:15:20
  like that. So well, you know, I like being
• 2:15:23
  a guest. I like being a guest on other
• 2:15:25
  people shows for me in my personal YouTube channel, I just
• 2:15:30
  want to make produced videos whether it be.
• 2:15:34
  Yeah, music. I mean, I know some of my stuff
• 2:15:36
  isn't produced, it's just me like, hey, look what I'm playing
• 2:15:39
  on piano today. You know, that kind of stuff is
• 2:15:42
  what it is. But for the most part, Part.
• 2:15:44
  Um, I don't want to I'm more than happy to guest on anybody
• 2:15:50
  show, who is willing to listen to me talk, but I just don't
• 2:15:55
  want to do it on my own channel. I like being, I like being a
• 2:15:59
  guest for me that feels more free for me to be a guest on
• 2:16:03
  people shows sure. Yeah.
• 2:16:05
  And I and I, and I get that, you know, I think I mean I think you
• 2:16:12
  are I think you are you know you know you've always been a good
• 2:16:14
  guess and I really enjoyed this Comber Sation, you know I just
• 2:16:19
  like you soon I think and I know I meant in this to I just think
• 2:16:23
  it's weird how much the internet has changed.
• 2:16:27
  Really. Even the even in the short time
• 2:16:29
  we've known each other which yeah, you know, I mean isn't too
• 2:16:33
  short so it's been five years. But still I mean we went from
• 2:16:38
  you know, people can disagree with each day.
• 2:16:40
  There and be civil to now. You know, now people think that
• 2:16:46
  no discussion, there's no discussion and now people in
• 2:16:50
  Canada are getting arrested and you know you think you think you
• 2:16:56
  had it bad, the poor Canadians or yeah, you know.
• 2:17:01
  We are there a lot of crazy. A lot of crazy things happening.
• 2:17:06
  Now it's funny because, you know, from my point of view, I
• 2:17:09
  went from being a guy that used to do covers of songs like
• 2:17:16
  Sister Golden Hair on guitar to all the sudden being wrapped up
• 2:17:20
  in this world of Lee's like internet blood Sports which is
• 2:17:23
  just it's never really where I thought my YouTube true
• 2:17:29
  trajectory was going to Oh yeah, I do not have any either.
• 2:17:33
  Yeah and then after it ended up there and I kind of looked
• 2:17:37
  around. Here's his basically one of the
• 2:17:39
  reasons to why I stopped talking about this kind of stuff too
• 2:17:45
  much because one day trying to describe these sorts of things
• 2:17:50
  and explain to my father, Who these people are like Owen
• 2:17:55
  Benjamin and Marsh. Try explaining it without
• 2:17:57
  sounding like a complete fucking retard.
• 2:17:59
  Yeah, what I mean like you you can't do it because when it
• 2:18:02
  comes down to these are not people.
• 2:18:06
  Any of us should really care about.
• 2:18:09
  Yeah, they're an asshole. The best thing to do is to
• 2:18:13
  distance yourself from them, and then guess what they ain't your
• 2:18:15
  problem anymore. And it's funny because and I
• 2:18:18
  completely agree with that sentiment.
• 2:18:19
  But that was the point. I was trying to make to my
• 2:18:22
  father is I did that. I was trying, I was right in the
• 2:18:26
  process of distancing myself from that when all of a sudden,
• 2:18:30
  now I'm getting these people coming in like Marsh after the
• 2:18:33
  fact saying, XYZ and drag trying to drag me back into their world
• 2:18:37
  and it's like, no I don't want it.
• 2:18:39
  I don't want any part of this. You go.
• 2:18:41
  Do you leave my name out of your mouth?
• 2:18:44
  You know what? Ya get my name out of your mouth
• 2:18:46
  because I don't want to. I don't want to be part in
• 2:18:49
  anything that you're involved in.
• 2:18:50
  I'd be happy. Not to mention you ever again.
• 2:18:53
  If you Would be happy not to mention me ever again.
• 2:18:55
  Well the I mean that that is kind of hot other thing too.
• 2:18:59
  Right? Because I never I never will say
• 2:19:03
  this. I will say this, I am a million
• 2:19:07
  times more handsome than Marsh Marsh could never ever hope to
• 2:19:12
  be as handsome as my left nut. Okay, well I have to say about
• 2:19:18
  that and I'll leave that as that talking to you, man.
• 2:19:22
  Not not you Sam. Talking to you out there.
• 2:19:25
  You know. Also also though, you know he I
• 2:19:31
  remember the one thing that he gave you so much shit for was
• 2:19:36
  Chuck had to go fund me the date.
• 2:19:38
  Anyone has who has to go funnies.
• 2:19:41
  Uh-huh. Unless then, of course, of a
• 2:19:43
  year they should be, you know, they should have their kids take
• 2:19:47
  it away, which is, which is, which is so ridiculous.
• 2:19:50
  Okay, so this for. So, for those of you who may
• 2:19:52
  have heard that, That this is what happened.
• 2:19:55
  I was in a car accident, which is something I forgot to mention
• 2:20:00
  with the whole Eric nimmer Saga. During that period, the accident
• 2:20:05
  had nothing to do with their camera.
• 2:20:07
  Was just during that time period, I got in a car accident.
• 2:20:13
  So my car was totaled, I broke my hip and my wife had a
• 2:20:20
  sprained wrist. So A friend of mine.
• 2:20:27
  Not upon my request, made a GoFundMe to help crowd fund to
• 2:20:34
  help me buy a new car and for any medical bills that may come
• 2:20:39
  up. So, you know, that was in a time
• 2:20:43
  when I was in need and I wasn't going to reject charity.
• 2:20:47
  I appreciate it. It turns out that I think that
• 2:20:51
  time I got maybe like three hundred dollars so it wasn't
• 2:20:54
  enough to buy me a car but it did help out a little bit.
• 2:20:57
  I wasn't able to walk, you know what I mean?
• 2:20:59
  So yeah, share a hundred, three hundred dollars helped, you
• 2:21:02
  know, at the time and then the second time was the arrest
• 2:21:09
  incident. Once again, while I was Jail
• 2:21:12
  somebody made a GoFundMe. So yeah, I was there in jail and
• 2:21:17
  my first priority was to run over to the phone and say, hey
• 2:21:20
  you got to go make a GoFundMe for this.
• 2:21:23
  Believe me, that was the last thing on my mind.
• 2:21:25
  The last thing on my mind was getting the fuck out of jail but
• 2:21:28
  once again it was another time that was a terrible time in my
• 2:21:31
  life and somebody wanted to show me some charity, I wasn't going
• 2:21:35
  to reject that and once again that was a conductor $300.
• 2:21:38
  So when he's talking about to go fund me, he's oh, you know,
• 2:21:43
  that's You're talking about like $600 total that was given to me.
• 2:21:48
  Yeah, mr. It's not like people gave me
• 2:21:50
  like 20 grand and like I blew it on something stupid or I was
• 2:21:56
  never injured to begin with you you know like no shit happened
• 2:21:59
  and people wanted to help me out.
• 2:22:01
  I mean, God bless him, you know. Well you didn't you didn't run
• 2:22:05
  your car into a wall and then and then like threatened to
• 2:22:09
  commit suicide if no one if no one donated.
• 2:22:13
  And to you I like what's that? That Eric Andre think where he
• 2:22:17
  shoots the guy, why did you do this?
• 2:22:19
  You know what I mean? It wasn't like, I was like, I'll
• 2:22:22
  look I set my car on fire. I guess you're going to have to
• 2:22:24
  go make me a go fund me now so I can buy a new car.
• 2:22:27
  Yeah, well, that well, that was all that was the whole thing
• 2:22:30
  thing to was when when when people were saying, you know, I
• 2:22:36
  mean people, so I realized now that you mention Eric, Andre
• 2:22:40
  that that was basically the store that people told me about
• 2:22:43
  your Gun. And so that people basically
• 2:22:46
  told me that you pulled an Eric on on dry and you know now in
• 2:22:50
  hindsight I know that that's not true.
• 2:22:53
  Yeah. It's not even remotely accurate.
• 2:22:58
  Well cool. Um, anything else that?
• 2:23:02
  You know, I think it's probably a bit for now.
• 2:23:04
  We've been going for almost two and a half hours.
• 2:23:07
  I think that maybe when we release this, we should let it
• 2:23:12
  stew for a little bit. And then, if people are
• 2:23:15
  interested, you let us know in the comments I guess if you want
• 2:23:18
  to see a follow-up or you can ask questions to the both of us.
• 2:23:24
  I'm I'm all for that. If Sam is if Sam yeah be
• 2:23:27
  gracious enough to host me again any.
• 2:23:30
  Anytime anytime truck. So you know I'm glad we got this
• 2:23:36
  out in the open. I think it's been a long time.
• 2:23:39
  It's been a long time coming. Yeah it's something I wanted to
• 2:23:42
  do for a long. In.
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  But I wanted to wait until my legal troubles were basically
• 2:23:50
  over. Yeah.
• 2:23:51
  And I want and I want to wait till you know, some of the, the
• 2:23:54
  internet drama settle down which it, you know, it has.
• 2:24:00
  But anyway, I guess where can people find you if they want to
• 2:24:05
  support your work? I know you Emma much right now,
• 2:24:09
  but right now, I'm kind of taking a break because my health
• 2:24:12
  hasn't been the best, which is maybe a, maybe a thing for
• 2:24:17
  another time. But on YouTube, you can find me.
• 2:24:23
  The YouTube address is YouTube /lc, MTV breath for that's
• 2:24:29
  locomotive with the vowels taken out breath for, or you can just
• 2:24:33
  type in Chuck, Boris on the search bar on YouTube and you
• 2:24:38
  should be able to find my channel.
• 2:24:40
  I'm also on Rumble, but other than that, that's really all I'm
• 2:24:45
  doing right now. I've been kind of Kind of just
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  trying to get my health in order and take care of my family as
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  best as I can for right now. And then I want to once my
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  health gets back running. I'm want to start recording
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  again. I want to finish up the we
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  interrupt this broadcast movie, which I'm really looking forward
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  to doing. And I hope that people are
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  excited as excited about that as I am to make it and release it.
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  Yeah. And I mean, I'll have all that
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  linked down in the description of what of both.
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  YouTube and on Spotify and all the other podcast players as
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  well as. So you'll be able to, you know,
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  find Chuck. And then yeah, if that's all you
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  have to, you know, announce make sure you like share them and
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  guess it would be on the other side.
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  Side of the screen from, right? Yeah, hit them, hit the like
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  him. If you're on Spotify you know
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  please give us a five star rating and also on Apple
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  podcast. So I really appreciate you for
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  coming on Chuck and I appreciate you letting me come on here and
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  you know, kind of tell you know, the longer you short of Thing,
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  I'm glad, I'm glad we patched things up.
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  And, you know, I like I said, what?
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  For recording this. So I don't know what the
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  reaction you know is. I'm sure both of us will get
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  some interesting comments. Hopefully, mostly positive.
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  I'm sure that will make some. I'm sure they'll be will be,
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  there will be some negative ones, but real quick regarding
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  all that, you know, I'm not. I'm not here to say that.
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  I'm perfect or that Shucks. Perfect, or that.
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  Neither, I or the any of this, I mean, we we've both made
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  mistakes, you know, in the past, in the past, you know.
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  Yeah. Hindsight is 20/20 in regards to
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  the whole, you know, thing with 0 and in the Bears, I mean,
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  look, there's a bunch of stuff that we probably could have
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  handled differently for one. I mean, and I've joked about
• 2:27:15
  this before, but if Adam and For that one, Joe Rogan podcast.
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  None of this would have ever happened for me.
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  But you know, in a weird way, I am kind of glad that it did
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  because I got to know Chuck and I got to know a lot about the
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  people who I want to know. Otherwise who are good at the
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  very least, we got some crazy stories out of it, you know.
• 2:27:38
  Yeah. So anyway, well check, I want to
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  thank you for coming on and thank you, Sam.
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  God bless you brother. Feel free to stick around for a
• 2:27:49
  bit after I am this. So I have a couple questions.
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  But anyway, folks, thanks for watching and and or listening,
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  and we'll catch you on the next episode of the full report until
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  then, just take care. Thanks for listening to the
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  Please visit Sam's website at www.ge.com, Whitfield.com and
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  Until next time, God bless God. Save this great nation and God
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  Freedom Legacy in that order. ER, All right, you still there
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  Chuck? Yes I am.
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  Okay yeah we're off now we're not recording.
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  I wanted to ask you. You said that?