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STAR TRIAL WITNESS IN ALEX MURDAUGH DOUBLE MURDER CASE NOW PROBING BIZARRE DEATH OF BUSTER MURDAUGH'S FORMER CLASSMATE STEPHEN SMITH · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a star witness in the
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  Speaker 1: Alex Murdock double murder trial, now probing the mysterious death
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  Speaker 1: of Buster Murdog's former classmate. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, a star witness in the Alex Murdock double
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  Speaker 1: murder trial is now all on their own investigating the
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  Speaker 1: death of a young man found in the road, deceased
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Smith, insisting quote, someone has a good idea who
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  Speaker 1: did this crime. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us. It's
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  Speaker 1: Kenny Kinsey, an incredible witness on the stand. A forensic investigator.
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  Speaker 1: Kensey testified for the prosecution in the double murder trial
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  Speaker 1: of Alexa Murdog. He said on Ann Emerson's Criminally Obsessed
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  Speaker 1: podcast that after reviewing the evidence, he believes many, many
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  Speaker 1: chances to save Stephen Smith's case were missed early on
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  Speaker 1: now as you recall Stephen Smith as a teen nursing student,
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  Speaker 1: former classmate of Buster Murdog. He was found dead in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of a rural highway there in Hampton County,
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  Speaker 1: South Carolina, very near the Murdog's hunting lodge known as Mozelle.
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  Speaker 1: What do we know about Smith's death? Was it murder?
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  Speaker 1: Segment two? Buster Murdog is in no way implicated in
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Smith's death. Now, Smith, openly gay, was walking along
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  Speaker 1: Sandy Run Road after his car broke down. A driver
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  Speaker 1: called nine one one later to report Stephen's body. He
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  Speaker 1: had a seven and a half inch skull fracture. Now,
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  Speaker 1: authorities initially thought this was a hit and run. That
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  Speaker 1: determination now subject to challenge. What happened? As we all know,
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Smith, a young teen, openly gay, and a rural
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  Speaker 1: area in South Carolina. Body found by a stranger a
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  Speaker 1: passers by about three o'clock.
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  Speaker 2: In the morning, ish very dark road.
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  Speaker 1: There is no There are no skid marks, No, we
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  Speaker 1: find no abrasions on his body to suggest he was
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  Speaker 1: hit and then dragged along the asphalt.
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  Speaker 2: There is no sign of.
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  Speaker 1: Plastic, glass, metal, anything from a car. This is a
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  Speaker 1: major major development and joining me right now, high profile
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  Speaker 1: lawyer out of Jacksonville, Del Carson, author of Arrest Proof Yourself,
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  Speaker 1: former FBI agent with the FEDS. Dal thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. This is another thing I've learned I
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  Speaker 1: want you to analyze. We learn that, according to sources,
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  Speaker 1: two pois have been named and they are not Buster Murdoch.
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  Speaker 1: Now is there going to be a murdag connection? Maybe,
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  Speaker 1: but tangentially, and I'll get to that. These two individuals
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  Speaker 1: were teams themselves at the time, lived near Mozelle, the
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  Speaker 1: hunting lodge, it's not far from Mozelle, about eight to
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  Speaker 1: eleven minutes on the road where Steven Smith's body was found,
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  Speaker 1: which trigger all sorts of speculation they also lived in
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  Speaker 1: there there. Now, this is what we're learning del Carson.
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  Speaker 1: According to sources, these two pois teams themselves at the time,
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  Speaker 1: were out late at night and hit Steven Smith, then
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  Speaker 1: tried to cover it up.
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  Speaker 2: What do you make of what we're learning right now?
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  Speaker 1: And how difficult is it to get an order of
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  Speaker 1: exhamation and then actually autopsy an already embalmed body.
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  Speaker 3: Well, of course, what we're looking for here is injuries
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  Speaker 3: consistent with a hit and run vehicular homicide. That's what
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  Speaker 3: we're looking for because that's where everything was initially focused.
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  Speaker 3: And you're looking for things that will be patently evident
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  Speaker 3: in the exit autopsy. You're looking for spiral fractures below
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  Speaker 3: the knee. You're looking for places most individuals who are
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  Speaker 3: walking in the roadway and are struck by a vehicle,
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  Speaker 3: and I've handled a number of these cases as a
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  Speaker 3: cop in Miami, you get fractures below the legs. In
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  Speaker 3: addition to that, below the knee rather, and in addition
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  Speaker 3: to that, you're gonna have what I call a dirt dump. Now,
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  Speaker 3: this is rural South Carolina, and a dirt dump is
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  Speaker 3: where your car strikes something and when it does, all
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  Speaker 3: the material that is up in the wheel wells and
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  Speaker 3: on the frame dropped onto the ground. So typically at
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  Speaker 3: the strike point, you're gonna find dirt. If you don't
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  Speaker 3: find anything else, No, what do you.
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  Speaker 2: Mean dirt on a paved road.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, sure, you're gonna find clumps of mud that have
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  Speaker 3: become dislodged from the wheel wells. Remember this is the
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  Speaker 3: rural South.
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  Speaker 2: On a paved road.
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  Speaker 3: That's all right, You're gonna find clumps at the strike point. Now,
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  Speaker 3: if you don't find clumps of dirt and debris at
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  Speaker 3: the strike point where the bumper of the truck or
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  Speaker 3: car has hit, the individual fractured below the knee, and
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  Speaker 3: the result is that strike impacts the car. When a
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  Speaker 3: truck when it impacts it, you have a massive amount
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  Speaker 3: of dirt that come out of the car. If you
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  Speaker 3: hit the brakes real hard on your car, you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: cause a say, when you drive down the road and
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  Speaker 3: you hit a bump in the road, and you see
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  Speaker 3: all the oil that's right there. That's from the car
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  Speaker 3: hitting that bump. Gravity pulling the oil that's around the
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  Speaker 3: engine or other parts onto the ground. So you see
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  Speaker 3: those spots. That's what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: I'm letting all this think in Look, I'm a JDA,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not an auto mechanic, but I hear what you're saying,
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  Speaker 1: and it makes perfect sense to me.
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  Speaker 2: Keep going. I want to hear every word.
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  Speaker 3: So you find these spiral fractures, particularly where the individual
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  Speaker 3: is walking and the direction of travel, and so if
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  Speaker 3: he's facing a car, which typically.
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  Speaker 2: Wow down for Pete's sake, man, what.
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  Speaker 3: If you're facing a car and you're walking, you're walking
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  Speaker 3: down the road you run out of gas, which, by
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  Speaker 3: the way, brings up another interesting point. You run out
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  Speaker 3: of gas, Why would you take the gas calf off
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  Speaker 3: your tank and look into it?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, kind of yes, I mean, I want to
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  Speaker 1: tell you something else I learned.
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  Speaker 2: I can't wait for you to hear this. So I've
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  Speaker 2: been doing a little bit of digging.
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  Speaker 1: And apparently Steven Smith he had a one night stand.
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  Speaker 2: Before the death, but not in the hours leading up
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  Speaker 2: to the death. He also had a.
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  Speaker 1: Boyfriend, and the boyfriend says that he contacted Stephen Smith
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  Speaker 1: as late as three point thirty seven a m And
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  Speaker 1: that was less.
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  Speaker 2: Than a half an hour before the body is found.
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  Speaker 1: And he also says that Stephen Smith believed someone was
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  Speaker 1: following him.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I look back in the seventies in Miami, when
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  Speaker 3: I was a cop down there, rolling individuals, rolling as
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  Speaker 3: in injuring, drunks, and gage was the order of the day.
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  Speaker 2: I mean that this says in the seventies, man, I know.
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  Speaker 3: My point is that behavior still exists today.
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  Speaker 1: It's really hard for me to embrace that because who
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  Speaker 1: cares if you're gay or not?
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  Speaker 2: Gay?
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  Speaker 1: Is oh I can do to keep our car in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of the road, in other words, to keep
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  Speaker 1: my family, to keep the children in school, to keep
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  Speaker 1: up with their assignments, to d the Scouts, This the work,
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  Speaker 1: the blah, the this. I can't worry about what somebody
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  Speaker 1: else is doing. I don't have the energy.
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  Speaker 2: I can't.
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  Speaker 1: It's very hard for me to take in gay hatred.
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  Speaker 1: But I will tell you this. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: I've told you this. Dell Carson, one of the first
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  Speaker 1: cases I worked trying to hold it on appeal, which
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  Speaker 1: we did, by the way, was one of the most
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  Speaker 1: vicious gay people.
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  Speaker 3: What holding on appeal means.
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  Speaker 1: Holding the appeal. That means thank you, you're right. You
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  Speaker 1: get a convictionate trial. Then, like we see happening in
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  Speaker 1: Murdog right now, the defendant has nothing to do all
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  Speaker 1: day but sit in jail and think, Wow.
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  Speaker 2: How can I get this thing reversed? On appeal? They
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  Speaker 2: go to jail house lawyers. Murdog is a lawyer. He's
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  Speaker 2: gonna live in the law library.
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna scheme and gnash his teeth and switch his
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  Speaker 1: tail twenty four seven three sixty five trying.
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  Speaker 2: To come up with an appealable ground. So you know
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  Speaker 2: you're in for it.
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  Speaker 1: When you get a homicide conviction, a murder conviction, they
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  Speaker 1: will say anything, including turning on their own defense lawyers
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  Speaker 1: who probably did a pretty good job and claiming they're ineffective,
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  Speaker 1: that always happens on appeal, and the defense lawyer typically
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  Speaker 1: goes along with it, goes, yeah, I'm ineffective. I was
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  Speaker 1: awful at trial to try to help the client. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: the appellate courts know this or they're like, yeah, right,
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  Speaker 1: you're infective. Long story short again, in that case, once
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  Speaker 1: you get the conviction, you got to hold it. You
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  Speaker 1: got to hold it on appeal. That's what that means.
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  Speaker 1: And you're right, I did need to explain that. You've
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  Speaker 1: got to make sure that all the myriad of counts
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  Speaker 1: the defense puts up as to why the case should
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  Speaker 1: be reversed, all the imaginary slights and unconstitutional practices in court.
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  Speaker 1: And then then then this juror fell asleep and the
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  Speaker 1: judge did this, and they.
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  Speaker 2: Go on and on.
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  Speaker 1: You got to hold it, and you gotta be ready
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  Speaker 1: to get questions by the appellate court. And this was
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  Speaker 1: to the Georgia Supreme Court that I argued this case.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's like this in your jurisdiction,
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  Speaker 1: but here at the lectern, you've got the whole court
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  Speaker 1: in front of you. They're all looking at you to
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  Speaker 1: do your argument. There is a.
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  Speaker 2: Green light, a yellow light and a red light on
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  Speaker 2: the lec turn.
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  Speaker 1: Green means go, yellow means you're running out of time.
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  Speaker 1: Red means if you don't sit down right now, we'll
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  Speaker 1: have the bell of remove you and you'll be kicked
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  Speaker 1: out of the court room.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, just like a traffic light.
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  Speaker 1: So this case was about a series of young black
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  Speaker 1: males that were raped, anally raped and then shot in
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  Speaker 1: the head, almost always with thirty eight caliber in the
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  Speaker 1: back of the head, a little bit to the right side, which.
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  Speaker 2: Means the right handed killer.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, we got the guy convicted, the guy and I
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  Speaker 1: was trying to hold it on appeal.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, I have dealt with.
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  Speaker 1: Horrible hatred toward gay men. And I had more after that,
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  Speaker 1: but that was the first one. It's really hard for
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  Speaker 1: me to imagine this hatred, but it exists. So you
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  Speaker 1: got to factor that in as well. Del Carson about
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  Speaker 1: Steven Smith.
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  Speaker 3: Was killed, Well, there's more. If you go down a
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  Speaker 3: rural highway, you'll see you and rural.
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  Speaker 2: It's always rural with you. What do you have a
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  Speaker 2: think about?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, our country. You ride down a country road, you're
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  Speaker 3: gonna see mailboxes on the sides of the roads, and
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  Speaker 3: some of them will be destroyed. You know how that happens.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're about to sell me.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, you ride down the road in your truck and
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  Speaker 3: you have a baseball bat, which these boys were in
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  Speaker 3: baseball teams, right, and you reach out of the into
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  Speaker 3: the passenger does typically and strikes the mailbox to great amazement.
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  Speaker 3: The thing gets destroyed, and the boy's cheer.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, obviously they don't have enough to do well.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously they're destructive and they like to do those kinds
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  Speaker 3: of things. So you'll see big concrete mailboxes which cannot
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  Speaker 3: be destroyed in that fashion. The point is, we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: see whether that blunt force trauma came from a car
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  Speaker 3: where it fractured, caused abrasions to the skin and things
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  Speaker 3: in primary and secondary exploit.
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  Speaker 2: I got, I got some more INFI for you.
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  Speaker 1: Will you continue to tell me about assaulting mailboxes? All right?
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  Speaker 3: Right? So so so if those other factors don't exist
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  Speaker 3: in the post mortem, and there aren't fractured legs, then
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  Speaker 3: what about riding down the road seeing the guy you
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  Speaker 3: come around back, you don't like him, and you take
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  Speaker 3: one of those baths and you hit him with it.
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  Speaker 3: Ended of court.
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  Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: According to witness Kinsey quote, memories fade, people leave this earth.
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  Speaker 1: Those were missed opportunities. You don't ever get that back.
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  Speaker 1: And he's right about that. The investigation into Stephen Smith's
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  Speaker 1: death has been reopened, and this was days after Maggie
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  Speaker 1: and Paul Murdoch were shot dead there in Collington County
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  Speaker 1: at the family's hunting lodge Mozelle. Now, at that time,
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  Speaker 1: SLID South Carolina Law Enforcement Division said an uncovered info
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  Speaker 1: related to Stephen's death while investigating the murders of Maggie
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  Speaker 1: and Paul Murdoch, but they never really did provide any details.
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  Speaker 1: What do we know about Steven's death?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 1: I know the two names of the pois persons of interest,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm gonna call him number one and number two, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: number one and number two. I'm gonna let number one
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  Speaker 1: be the non driver and number two be the driver.
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  Speaker 2: Number two is the driver. Okay, So this is what
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  Speaker 2: we understand.
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  Speaker 1: One of the two came over to the tipster, an
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  Speaker 1: anonymous tipster who.
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  Speaker 2: I think I may know who it is. But anyway,
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  Speaker 2: the anonymous tipster.
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  Speaker 1: Says one of the two pois persons of interests come
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  Speaker 1: over to tipster's house and told tipster that Number two
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  Speaker 1: the driver was drunk and hit something that he went
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  Speaker 1: back the next day to see what he had hit,
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  Speaker 1: which is a live course, see what he hit. The
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  Speaker 1: next day, saw a lot of police out there. Then
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  Speaker 1: he learned by media that someone had been killed and
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  Speaker 1: that's why police were there. The tipster said, Person one,
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  Speaker 1: not the driver, was visibly distraught, crying, and when he
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  Speaker 1: got through telling a story, walked outside of the house
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  Speaker 1: and threw up.
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  Speaker 2: Two. The driver.
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  Speaker 1: May have tried to cover up evidence, having his mirror
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  Speaker 1: fixed on his vehicle, patched up one of the mirrors
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  Speaker 1: on his truck.
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  Speaker 2: There were rumors and.
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  Speaker 1: There is somewhat of a murdad connection, only allegedly that
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  Speaker 1: Randy Murdog got another witness to call cops and ride out.
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  Speaker 2: Number two the driver.
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  Speaker 1: Now my question to you is all this happened back
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  Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen. You've got a timpster telling an agent
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  Speaker 1: POI one came over rated out POI two, person of
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  Speaker 1: manches two. POI one was so upset about it he
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  Speaker 1: threw up just describing what happened. What in the hay
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  Speaker 1: has been going on since twenty and fifteen.
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  Speaker 3: Deal Carson, Well, look, that's fairly straightforward, at least for me.
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  Speaker 3: If only a truck mirror, one of those extended mirrors
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  Speaker 3: on the side of your truck hit somebody, if that happened,
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  Speaker 3: there might not be leg fractures. Okay, And that's a
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  Speaker 3: really good explanation for why was actually struck with a bat.
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  Speaker 1: I got something else for you before I forget it,
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  Speaker 1: because you know up here my head, I'll go to
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  Speaker 1: the next thing. I gotta tell you one more thing.
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  Speaker 1: Throw this into your analysis, del Carson. How do I
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  Speaker 1: say this?
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  Speaker 2: Okay? Have you ever seen aristocats? Wait? No, wait? Or
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  Speaker 2: is it one hundred and one dalmatians? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: There are two hound dogs, Sidney, could you please look
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  Speaker 1: this up. There are two hound dogs and one is Napoleon,
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  Speaker 1: and he's in charge.
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  Speaker 2: Much like Barney five. And in the distance he hears
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  Speaker 2: a car.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, yes, see, here's a car and it's Egbert the Butler. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: so that means it's aristocrat aristocats and Egbert the Butler
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  Speaker 1: is riding a motorcycle with sidecar and at a distance
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  Speaker 1: Napoleon was it?
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  Speaker 2: The dog's named Napoleon? Okay, who's the other dog? I
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  Speaker 2: just want to know out of curiosity. Please look it up.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, Wait a minute, I'm going somewhere with this.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, Napoleon the host's episode ear is straight up. He goes,
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  Speaker 2: uh huh, it's a motorcycle.
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  Speaker 1: It's got a sidecar, blah blah, And he can hear
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  Speaker 1: what the vehicle is a mile away.
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  Speaker 2: And identify it.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know, Like, for instance, my husband is always
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  Speaker 1: late to supper and the three of us are sitting there,
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  Speaker 1: and what we do is we lay our heads down
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  Speaker 1: on the.
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  Speaker 2: Table and act like we're asleep, and we're all going.
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  Speaker 1: But this is how we know when to start fake snoring,
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  Speaker 1: because we can tell the way he.
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  Speaker 2: Opens the door that it's him.
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  Speaker 1: We can hear his car, we can recognize his vehicle,
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  Speaker 1: and we know how he opens the door unlike anybody else,
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  Speaker 1: and then we immediately fake sleep.
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  Speaker 2: What I'm saying is there's a witness in this case.
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  Speaker 1: It's the then boyfriend who is is communicating back and
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  Speaker 1: forth with Steven Smith that night, less than half an
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  Speaker 1: hour before Smith is killed, and he says he hears
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  Speaker 1: quote big mud tires.
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  Speaker 2: Now if I hear one tire versus another tire.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that I could tell a difference, but
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  Speaker 1: it can be done, Dale Carson.
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  Speaker 3: It can be done absolutely. And the rural South, well, that.
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  Speaker 2: Was the other dog's name. Okay, go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: So in my area of the city in Florida, you
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  Speaker 3: don't hear off the road tires very much, but in
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  Speaker 3: the country areas you do, And certainly you could know
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  Speaker 3: a muffler sound from a car. You can certainly hear
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  Speaker 3: from the tires, and it makes a tremendous racket. So
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  Speaker 3: they're elevated cars trucks rather so if they're elevated, well,
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  Speaker 3: the mirror on a car wouldn't go to hit somebody
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  Speaker 3: in the back of the head or the front of
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  Speaker 3: the head, which is where the strike was on Smith.
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  Speaker 3: So the entire matter seems to be contrived. It's contrived.
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  Speaker 3: So if you had to make an explanation for somebody
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  Speaker 3: who was actually struck with a bat by ne'er do
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  Speaker 3: wells riding around in a car and finding a gay
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  Speaker 3: guy walking alone in the middle.
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  Speaker 2: Of a road, what are you so hell bent on
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: them using a bat? I mean, I've just told you that.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: According to this tipster in granted that's not a completely
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: credible source, but it's a tipster who's got facts that
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: suggests Steven Smith was hit by a truck by the
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: side mirror, which then had to be fixed.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I ate taped up. What is it with you and
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: the bat?
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: I'm what I'm suggesting to you is there's a difference.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: It's for me to just walking down the cricket path
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: of Dale Carsonland Well and it may figure out you've
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: hit now so far, you've hit a couple of mailboxes
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: with a bat. Now you got back to the seventies
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: with people here, gay people with a bat?
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Can we deal with the facts as we know them
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: in this.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Case, well as you may believe them to be. But
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: if a mirror strikes an individual, one of those mirror
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: is going to leave glass at the strike point, and
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: we didn't find any glass. You're right saying, you're right
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: that the entire process is contrived by a family in
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: charge of what really happened. And when you contrive something,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: you've got to make a reason for it, and that
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: reason's got to be consistent with the apparent facts. So
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: you have one which is an it run, It's an accident.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: It's horrible it happens with people who are drinking and driving,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: and it's wrong. But another thing's all together there. If
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: there's a relationship that somebody doesn't want revealed, and you
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: have an opportunity to get rid of that problem, and
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: you do so as consistent with the behaviors of certain
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: well known families in that area, youve got to contrive it.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: So the first thing you want to do is call
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: victim's mother and say, look, I'll represent you for free,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: not for fee, but for free. Why would they do that?
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Well, hold on just a moment, I'm going to go
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: into your conspiracy theory riddled mind for just one moment.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Hold on, wait a minute, I'm going with you on this.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Just a moment, Dale Carson, let me get my thought,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: let me immorseal my thoughts. Because according to the father
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: a POI person of interest number one, the stepfather a
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: person of interest number one, not the driver Number one,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: tells stepfather what happened that number two hit Steven Smith
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: and killed him. The father, the stepfather of number one,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: says that Randy Murdog got him the stepfather to tell
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: the story to cops. What is Randy Murdock doing up
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: in the middle of this. If in fact this is true,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: we don't know it's true. I mean, and number two,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: the driver apparently has a history of d y, domestic violence,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: a potpourri of offenses.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: He just he just smells.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: You know, it's got a hole, as I said, trash
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: back full of offenses, none of them rising to a
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: felony that I know of. But he's just a he's
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: just a cesspool brewing.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: With all his offenses in that boom. Now we've got this.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: So how does Randy Murdog get injected into this?
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, in too, individuals who don't want the
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: truth of a matter known often do things to prevent
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: that truth from being revealed. I mean, that's just human nature.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Wait, are you one of those people that think LBJ
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: murder JFK gay Oh okay, thank goodness, you're not into
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: that one. But you're definitely seeing a conspiracy here, and
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: you're roping in the Murdogs that they are pointing to
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: number one and number two.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: But it's really them, is that what you're saying?
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Well, it's somebody else. Whether it is an actual Murdog
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: is another matter altogether, but clearly the exhumation is going
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: to provide some evidence as to what happened. And I've
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: seen a number of hit and run traffic fatalities and
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: I have never seen somebody hit by just the mirror.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Unusual crime stories.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: With Nancy Grace, apparently we're going to find out from
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: the independent autopsy.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Steven Smith had bruising to one side of his body,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: but the.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Fatal the cause of the death cod was a blood
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: of the head of some sort.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Well it was originally thought it was a gunshot, that's right,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: and so you've got to look at the photographs. You
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: got to look at the actual fracture. You know, there's
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: a difference between a high speed fracture and a low
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: speed fracture. It's called brissins and it's that is a
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: term that's used with the military to describe the ability
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: of aid an explosive to move things. And they're different speed.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: So if the buck was going five miles an hour
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: versus fifty miles an hour, or a bat was traveling
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: at sixty miles an hour, there's a difference, and you
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: can tell whether the back of a mirror hit his
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: forehead or whether it was something else. I mean, I
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: just seen him walking down the road. A truck passes him,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: and this is information that's available in some of the
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: information I've read in the media. Somebody sees him, they
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: dislike him, They turned the truck around. He thinks it's
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: somebody that knows him is going to rescue him from
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: his car who's out of gas. They come by quickly
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: and theyventionally injure him.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: As we all know, there was a huge battle to
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: exhume Steven Smith's body, and it was a second autopsy
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: was performed. Our friend, pathologist, doctor Michelle Dupree, oversaw that
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: second autopsy. She says Smith's injury, that horrific blood of
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: the skull is considered with being struck by an object
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: attached to a vehicle traveling at a high rate of speed,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: something like one of those wide side mirrors, say, on
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the side of a truck. She says, and I quote scientifically,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: medically and forensically, we know what happened, but we don't
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: know who did it. A lot of speculation had circulated
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: around Stephen Smith's death, trying to tie it to members
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: of the Murdoch family. That never happened. I personally never
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: saw evidence connecting Stephen Smith's death to anybody in the
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Murdoch family. Authorities now offering a fifty thousand dollar reward
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: for information leading to the arrest and conviction. In the
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: case of Stephen Smith's death. A nineteen year old teen
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: simply walking by the side of the road, minding his
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: own business as just as un falls, Patsy Grace signing
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: off goodbye friend.