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The Late Debate | 15 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late General, Welcome to the Late Base.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm Kayler Bond
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  Speaker 2: with Frail Leach and James Willis this week filling in
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  Speaker 2: for James McPherson. Here's what's coming up tonight after March
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  Speaker 2: is against mass migration in Australia and similar scenes I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure you saw in London on the weekend. A new
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  Speaker 2: poll has found the half of Australians think migration is
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  Speaker 2: too high. What a shocker. In the papers. We punch
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  Speaker 2: above our weight in swimming, but apparently at the next
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  Speaker 2: Olympics some of our boys and girls could miss out
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  Speaker 2: because the IOC wants to give their spots to refugees instead.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk about that and later. State of Origin is
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  Speaker 2: making a comeback in the AFL, but where the hell
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  Speaker 2: is South Australia, it's going to be Victoria versus WA. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: over at the Endas, we know that they're spending a
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  Speaker 2: hell of a lot of money. It was nearly fifty
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  Speaker 2: billion dollars last financial year. It's going to be fifty
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  Speaker 2: two billion dollars this financial year. By twenty twenty eight
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  Speaker 2: twenty nine, it's meant to be sixty three point four
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  Speaker 2: billion dollars, and there are lots of things to hear
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  Speaker 2: about all the time that you go, jeezus, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think my herd and taxpayer money should be going towards this.
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  Speaker 2: All these sorts of art therapies have been allegations about
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  Speaker 2: people going down to the knock shop and being able
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  Speaker 2: to do it on the NDAs. But there are people
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  Speaker 2: who you would absolutely say as a society, we owe
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  Speaker 2: it to them with our taxpayers money to make their
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  Speaker 2: life a little bit easier. And I don't think I've
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  Speaker 2: seen a case as clear as this one that was
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  Speaker 2: reported on in the news call papers by Julie Cross
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  Speaker 2: and by god, I'm glad she found this story because
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  Speaker 2: it will make your blood boil. There's a young boy
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  Speaker 2: by the name of Leo Hall. He's eight years old now.
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  Speaker 2: He was born with no eyes and really small eye sockets,
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  Speaker 2: and so to make sure that as he grows up
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  Speaker 2: his bone structure is fine, he has prosthetic eyes that
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  Speaker 2: they put into these eye sockets that expand and obviously
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  Speaker 2: he gets bigger ones as he grows older. To not
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  Speaker 2: only make sure he looks like a normal kid and
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  Speaker 2: that avoids bullying and makes him feel better about himself,
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  Speaker 2: but also from a very practical health perspective, it means
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  Speaker 2: that as his face grows, it can grow in a
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  Speaker 2: normal way. Well, the NDIS says that that is not
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  Speaker 2: worth their money. He is his mother explaining.
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  Speaker 3: Looking like you've got a typical eye. It just helps
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  Speaker 3: with children to interact with him. Otherwise it looks like
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  Speaker 3: his eyes are closed. It looks like he's asleep. Other
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  Speaker 3: children don't understand that three years ago, we obviously supplied
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  Speaker 3: them with enough evidence that they made a decision to
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  Speaker 3: think that they are something reasonable and necessary, and so
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  Speaker 3: for nothing to have changed with his condition, it's ridiculous
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  Speaker 3: that they've changed their mind on that decision, and they're
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  Speaker 3: stating that we need to essentially go through that whole
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  Speaker 3: tribunal process again to fight for them.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, for goodness sake. You've got all these kids
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  Speaker 2: allegedly who have autism who get put on the NDIS,
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  Speaker 2: and you know they're lower level autism, but everyone gets
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  Speaker 2: a level two diagnosis these days, which means that they
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  Speaker 2: can get access to the NDAs they're chewing up all
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  Speaker 2: these money. You've got one in ten boys under the
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  Speaker 2: age of ten now is on the NDAs, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: And he have a kid who has a genuine disability,
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  Speaker 2: and the NDAs is so penny pinching that they're saying, nah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean if they're five grand for a pair of
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  Speaker 2: these eyes, and when he's younger, he has to have
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  Speaker 2: them twice a year, ten grand a year to make
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  Speaker 2: a massive difference to that kid's life, And the NDAA says, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: we can't do that. You just stagger it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think when the NDIS was established, we all
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  Speaker 4: thought it was designed for families like this to have
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  Speaker 4: the support that they needed, particularly for a young kid.
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  Speaker 1: And look, it's a small amount of money.
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  Speaker 4: We're talking about five thousand dollars for a new set
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  Speaker 4: of the devices that.
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  Speaker 1: This eight year old needs.
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  Speaker 4: But when you've got a scheme costing fifty billion dollars,
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  Speaker 4: there's more than ten thousand bureaucrats in the NDIA, which
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  Speaker 4: is the agency, and this family had had to fight this.
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  Speaker 1: Through a legal case to actually get a result.
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  Speaker 4: It's amazing that someone in the department, in the real world,
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  Speaker 4: someone would just look at this and say, hey, guys,
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  Speaker 4: this is common sense. Let's just pay this money, right,
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  Speaker 4: But instead they fight these ones.
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  Speaker 1: And as you say, they've just allowed this scheme to
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  Speaker 1: grow and grow and grow.
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  Speaker 4: We've allowed so many people to join, we've allowed businesses
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  Speaker 4: to run right with hardly any protection, more than fifty
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  Speaker 4: billion dollars a year and growing, and yet there's horror
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  Speaker 4: stories like this, and this one is not an isolation.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what on earth is happening with this, Caleb.
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  Speaker 1: It's just ridiculous.
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  Speaker 5: And I think it's really bizarre because if they've already
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  Speaker 5: taken this to a tribunal, they've already engaged lawyers, they've
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  Speaker 5: fought for this before. That's a precedent. There is a
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  Speaker 5: precedent that he should get the support. There's been some
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  Speaker 5: change in regulations in the last three years. Any normal
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  Speaker 5: person would look at that and go, Okay, they've already
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  Speaker 5: won this in a tribunal, therefore they should get the support.
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  Speaker 6: Again.
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  Speaker 5: This is clearly the triumph of bureaucracy over efficiency and
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  Speaker 5: common sense, and it's really really sad. But I think
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  Speaker 5: you know, you said, we've got one in ten boys
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  Speaker 5: under ten, sixteen percent of six year olds are on
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  Speaker 5: the NDIS. Seven hundred and seventeen thousand people in Australia
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  Speaker 5: are on the NDIS, and then you have on the
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  Speaker 5: flip side of that, fifty percent of people in the
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  Speaker 5: country now rely on the government for their main source
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  Speaker 5: of income, whether that's through welfare or all the businesses
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  Speaker 5: that now rely on NDIS recipients for revenues. So it
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  Speaker 5: really does make you wonder, even if you wanted to
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  Speaker 5: crack down on this and redirect the support to people
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  Speaker 5: who actually need it, is there going to be the
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  Speaker 5: political will to do anything about it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, No, there's well why would you why
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  Speaker 2: would you bother? I mean, it's already a runaway train,
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  Speaker 2: and as Bill Shorten I think worked out pretty quickly,
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  Speaker 2: this is a very difficult one to turn around. But
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  Speaker 2: what is it about these bureaucrats that make them think
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  Speaker 2: this is the case that they're going to take up.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you look at and I tooked about autism,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, there are so many kids now who
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  Speaker 2: have diagnoses of autism. I believe it is over diagnosed.
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  Speaker 2: Now if you look at when those diagnoses started increasing,
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  Speaker 2: it was twenty thirteen when the NDIS came into being.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, try and tell me that the
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  Speaker 2: correlation is not the causation in that circumstance. But parents
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  Speaker 2: like to get money out of the NDAs in those
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  Speaker 2: cases because they can put it towards things that allegedly
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  Speaker 2: help that kid in some way with their autism, and
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  Speaker 2: that might be dancing classes or other lessons and these
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  Speaker 2: sorts of things that would otherwise be an expense that
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  Speaker 2: falls upon the parent. So you can take your kid
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  Speaker 2: to a dancing class and pay for it with an
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  Speaker 2: INDIAS package. But a mother who's got a kid who
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  Speaker 2: needs prosthetic eyes because he was born without ars is
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  Speaker 2: the one that they're running the ruler over and saying, no,
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  Speaker 2: we don't think that that is valuable. I don't get
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  Speaker 2: how that can happen.
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  Speaker 4: Well, And part of the problem, and as labor has
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  Speaker 4: realized and people in Treasury have said, oh look, these
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  Speaker 4: books are really problematic.
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  Speaker 1: In the forward estimates, the problem is.
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  Speaker 4: That when you scale it back, you've already given everyone.
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  Speaker 1: What you've said they deserve.
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  Speaker 4: And the average package per recipient for about seven hundred
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  Speaker 4: and thirty nine thousand people thirty nine thousand people, is
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  Speaker 4: about sixty thousand dollars a year, right, and this family
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  Speaker 4: can't get you know, five thousand dollars support, which they
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  Speaker 4: should be entitled.
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  Speaker 1: To for the rest of their life.
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  Speaker 4: The issue now is when you scale it back after
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  Speaker 4: telling people for five or ten years, hey, guess what,
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  Speaker 4: whatever you want, it's on us.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to have horror stories like this.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and the fact that it's not means tested is insane.
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  Speaker 6: Like, don't even change the criteria, just start means testing it.
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  Speaker 6: That would be a start. But let's move on now.
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  Speaker 5: On Insiders on the ABC on Sunday, which you wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: have been watching because hopefully you are here watching Outsiders instead,
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  Speaker 5: there was some rather i guess, unsurprising commentary from the ABC,
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  Speaker 5: but so silly, so outrageous. Here is what one of
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  Speaker 5: their ABC journalists, Isabella Higgins said.
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  Speaker 7: This was an important moment for the Liberal Party to say,
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  Speaker 7: do we want to be a party that has rhetoric
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  Speaker 7: that's based in hate and exclusion, which is what these
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  Speaker 7: comments from Jinda Nambajenproprice were. They were discriminatory, they were racist.
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  Speaker 5: There was nothing discriminatory or racist about Jacinta's comments. She
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  Speaker 5: simply pointed out the fact that Labor was running a
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  Speaker 5: high immigration system and then she pondered whether that could
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  Speaker 5: be for a potential political advantage, and she pointed out
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  Speaker 5: the obvious fact that we know that overwhelmingly multicultural communities,
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  Speaker 5: and she mentioned specifically Indian people tend to.
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  Speaker 6: Vote for labor.
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  Speaker 1: That is a fact.
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  Speaker 5: Did she overstep in some areas by saying, well, therefore
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  Speaker 5: the immigration policy is specifically bringing in Indians. Yes, but
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  Speaker 5: she stated facts in every other respect, and it certainly
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  Speaker 5: wasn't driven by racism. She wasn't criticizing Indian people. She
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  Speaker 5: was criticizing the government and immigration policy. But the ABC
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  Speaker 5: would not conceive that this was wrong or out of
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  Speaker 5: line analysis. They said, well, just enterprises comments were up
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  Speaker 5: for critical reflection and that's exactly what this commentary was.
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  Speaker 5: But was it really because I think labeling these comments
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  Speaker 5: racist and hateful when they so clearly weren't, it's just
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  Speaker 5: lazy from the public broadcaster.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's inflammatory, is what it is. And look,
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  Speaker 2: you know, miss Higgins is well within her right to
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  Speaker 2: give whatever analysis she dan Will likes. But it is
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  Speaker 2: wrong and it is inflammatory. And I dare say that
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  Speaker 2: the isn't just enterprice part one of the reasons just
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  Speaker 2: Enterprice just int an ampertuber Price has colpted so hard
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  Speaker 2: over this is because she is an Aboriginal woman, and
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  Speaker 2: she's an Aboriginal woman who thinks the wrong way. And
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  Speaker 2: there is nothing that left hates more than someone from
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  Speaker 2: a minority group that doesn't fall into line and do
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  Speaker 2: what they're meant to do. I'm not saying that's the
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  Speaker 2: only reason that an ampiduber Price has come under fire
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  Speaker 2: for this, but I think there is a special level
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  Speaker 2: of invective and there is a special level of disdain
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  Speaker 2: that is reserved for people like Justina because she's an
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  Speaker 2: Aboriginal woman who's daring to talk about matters of race
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  Speaker 2: and migration, because you know people like her aren't meant
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  Speaker 2: to do that.
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  Speaker 4: Well, look, she got it wrong, and I think if
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  Speaker 4: she had a time over, she could have handled the
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  Speaker 4: clean up job a little bit better and ultimately made
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  Speaker 4: the fatal mistake of not backing Susan Lee, which ultimately
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  Speaker 4: let a few of her supporters down. However, I think
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  Speaker 4: you've just built the cat. I think the biggest issue here.
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  Speaker 4: If Jacinta Price was a member of Labor or the Greens,
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  Speaker 4: she would be championed and she would also have a
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  Speaker 4: sympathetic touch to everything that she's done. And we have
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  Speaker 4: seen that from First Nations, politicians from Labor in particular. Instead,
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  Speaker 4: because she's a vote winner and because she says things
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  Speaker 4: that are not in line with those.
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  Speaker 1: Political views, she's a target.
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  Speaker 4: And she's been the subject in the last few days
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  Speaker 4: of some very awful coverage about her personal life and
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  Speaker 4: how she grew up and how she's not welcome back
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  Speaker 4: in the Indigenous community that she grew up in, or
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  Speaker 4: partly not welcome back in. And I think for the
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  Speaker 4: Liberal Party, I think internally there is a fair bit
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  Speaker 4: of jealousy about the fact that she's got a lot
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  Speaker 4: of cut through and a lot of them, in my
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  Speaker 4: view a part of this political system. They've just been
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  Speaker 4: factional allies for their whole careers and they've made their
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  Speaker 4: way into a portfolio or into a job, and they
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  Speaker 4: don't have the cut through that Jacinta Price didn't. She
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  Speaker 4: showed that during the voice so at the first opportunity
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  Speaker 4: they made their mark and they got rid of it.
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  Speaker 4: In the real world, she would have been supported, encourage,
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  Speaker 4: given advice and said, hey, you didn't get that quite right.
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  Speaker 1: But let's go again next week.
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  Speaker 2: And I'd also say to miss Higgins just keep saying
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  Speaker 2: that this stuff is racist, because I'll tell you what,
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  Speaker 2: it's not going to change our minds. It's just going
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  Speaker 2: to make us talk about it more and go harder.
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  Speaker 5: Look, and the public assassination of probably the most popular
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  Speaker 5: politician in Australia right now is one way to further
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  Speaker 5: destroy the Liberal Party and.
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  Speaker 6: It's just not smart politics.
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  Speaker 5: And really, I think so much of this saga has
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  Speaker 5: been trial by media and if you're a politician, you're
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  Speaker 5: in the media bubble, you start to think that's reality.
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  Speaker 5: But go out onto the streets talk to some real Australians.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think they would have the slightest issue with
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  Speaker 5: most of what Jacintha said. And in fact she's really
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  Speaker 5: the only one in that party room who's actually won
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  Speaker 5: anything in the last couple of years, which was the
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  Speaker 5: Voice referendum.
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  Speaker 4: And of course this is all off the back of
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  Speaker 4: the debate around migration. And there's an interesting new pole
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  Speaker 4: that is out today from the nine newspapers.
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  Speaker 1: This is the Resolve political.
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  Speaker 4: Monitor based on eighteen hundred voters. Now it does show
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  Speaker 4: that about fifty percent of people believe the current level
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  Speaker 4: of permanent migration was too high, twenty seven percent set
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  Speaker 4: about right, and only five percent said it was too
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  Speaker 4: low with eighteen percent undecided. And just on polling, another
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  Speaker 4: disastrous news poll for the coalition twenty seven percent primary vote,
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  Speaker 4: Labor on thirty six but if you add the Greens,
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  Speaker 4: they're almost at that fifty percent mark. And the interesting
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  Speaker 4: numbers here as well are one nation up to ten percent.
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  Speaker 1: So a couple of things to discuss on this, guys,
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  Speaker 1: but I think the obvious.
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  Speaker 4: One on the polling is with Labor and the Greens.
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  Speaker 4: As we know, preferences flow that almost gets them over
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  Speaker 4: the line. As the Liberal Party insists they've got to
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  Speaker 4: move more to the left, one nation picks up. They're
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  Speaker 4: trying to win that soft vote, and it leaves them
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  Speaker 4: on their worst primary vote I think, ever, so a disaster.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and in the Resolve poll, one nation's vote was
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  Speaker 5: up to twelve percent. At the election they got about
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  Speaker 5: six percent, so since May they have basically doubled their vote.
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  Speaker 5: The other interesting thing that I noticed was if you
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  Speaker 5: actually break it down by age, one nation is getting
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  Speaker 5: about eleven to twelve percent of the vote across every
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  Speaker 5: demographic including gen Z, but when you look at the
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  Speaker 5: Liberals vote, it collapses basically among anyone under fifty and
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  Speaker 5: it's about eighteen percent for gen Z to people under
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  Speaker 5: twenty five.
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  Speaker 6: So that's also interesting.
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  Speaker 5: One nation is not only picking up people from the
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  Speaker 5: Liberal Party, but they're also having cut through among young people.
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  Speaker 5: The Liberals are only leading in the gen Z vote
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  Speaker 5: by seven percent.
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  Speaker 6: That's remarkable.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, just look at the UK right, and
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  Speaker 2: we'll talk a bit about Suki's stammer and he's flailing
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  Speaker 2: government later in the program, but you know, along comes
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  Speaker 2: Reform Nigel Faraje, and you know within a year their
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  Speaker 2: government over there, the Labor government, which won in a landslide,
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  Speaker 2: has lost every published poll to Reform since May. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So it sort of gives you an idea of if
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  Speaker 2: people can't get what they want out of the major
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  Speaker 2: parties the same fall as hamp to the Tories over there,
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  Speaker 2: they will start looking elsewhere. And they should be looking
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  Speaker 2: at these numbers in the Age and the Sydney Morning
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  Speaker 2: Herald about migration. I mean, for goodness, sack forty nine percent,
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  Speaker 2: nearly half of the country says migration is too high
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  Speaker 2: and it's been thereabouts for three or so years now.
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  Speaker 2: Another one of the questions they were asked in this
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  Speaker 2: poll was whether migration was carefully planned and done in
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  Speaker 2: a managed way. Twenty one percent of people say yes,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know that is that is a fifth
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  Speaker 2: of the country believes that is true, and fifty five
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  Speaker 2: percent say it's been done in an unplanned and unmanaged way,
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  Speaker 2: a clear majority. I don't get you know, we've seen
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  Speaker 2: the march for Australia a couple of weeks weekends ago.
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  Speaker 2: There were further marches this weekend. This is an issue
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  Speaker 2: that matters. It's an issue that cuts through. It's an
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  Speaker 2: issue that is intrinsically linked to the cost of living,
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  Speaker 2: which in another poll that was done by the Nine Papers,
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  Speaker 2: forty percent of people said was their number one issue.
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  Speaker 2: It's been that way for a long time now. Why
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  Speaker 2: can the government and others not see that this is
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  Speaker 2: just bread and butter.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And instead of focusing on whether Just Enterprise got
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  Speaker 4: her words right or wrong in a tiny, you know,
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  Speaker 4: not quite right comment in a live radio interview, I
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  Speaker 4: read this week a fascinating publication from.
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  Speaker 1: A university that said, if you.
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  Speaker 4: Actually look at and this is the thing that should
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  Speaker 4: be argued in every publication, we have been sold this
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  Speaker 4: lie that this is about bringing skilled workers or qualified
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  Speaker 4: workers from overseas. If you look at it, the majority
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  Speaker 4: of people that are migrating to Australia are a family
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  Speaker 4: member of someone that is already here. Now, I don't
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  Speaker 4: think that's good for the migrant workers. Sure, good on them,
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  Speaker 4: But for the larger policy, we're all being told, hey,
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  Speaker 4: we need jobs.
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  Speaker 1: We've got to get jobs for cafes.
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  Speaker 4: We don't have enough doctors, we don't have enough engineers.
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  Speaker 4: We need these people from overseas. But if they're going
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  Speaker 4: to bring family members or multiple family members, I don't
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: think that's a good policy for Australia. And that's the
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: kind of thing the Coalition should be focusing on. Instead,
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: they spent the last week sucking up to the Indian
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: community and trying to say hey, we love everyone, don't
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: worry about it. And instead they could have started this
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: debate properly, and instead they're a mile behind at this
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: point in time.
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: And borders is a key equity area for the Liberal Party,
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: and so is the economy. But they're not playing to
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: their strengths at the moment. And then they're also not
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: putting the onus on labor. We'll show us your immigration policy,
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: show us how you're ensuring these as skilled migrants. Like
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: you're in opposition, you're supposed to be interrogating them. But
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: there's none of that attack at the moment. But this
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: is an issue they should be winning on. And the
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: other thing I would not is a lot of people
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: will argue, oh, well, you can't run a campaign on
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: immigration because it actually doesn't rank very highly in the
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: list of issues. But you have to frame it as
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: a cost of living issue. You have to link it
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: to the housing crisis. If you can do that, and
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: then you know the majority of people already agree that
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: it's too high, you're going to have a winning campaign.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: It is hard, though, to take up the government on
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: their policies when you have basically no policies yourself, which
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: is a bit of an ongoing problem. Now wonder that
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: the polling is the way it is for the coalition,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: But you know, I just despair sometimes I just despend.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: And speaking of despairing, I mean we talked about it
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: on Thursday night. I talked about it again here last
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: night about the response from some on the left to
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: the death of Charlie Kirk shot did of course last
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Thursday early hours of our time and One of the
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: people who got involved in this over the weekend was
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Barry Cassidy. Now you'd probably remember Barry Cassidy is once
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: upon a time the host of Insiders on the ABCS
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: with the ABC. For a very long time.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Before that, he worked for Bob Hawk.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: This is a man who's had a long and distinguished
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: career in politics and political journalism, but he seems to
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: have forgotten all the basics of journalism, which usually involves
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: checking your sources and making sure that what you're about
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: to report is right before you report it. Because he
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: put a curious tweet up the other morning he said
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: the apparent shooter that he is of Charlie Kirk was
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: a white, straight conservative Mormon from Utah who thought Charlie
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Kirk wasn't far enough to the right. Trump's analysis is
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: exceptionally embarrassing and dangerous even by his standards. Right, so,
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: it is true that the alleged shooter comes from a
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: white Mormon registered Republican family, but that's all he had
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: to go on about this being the case for the
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: alleged shooter, and so when he was asked, he later
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: deleted this tweet because it turns out to be completely wrong.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I mean the guy was living with a transgender lover
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: and had all this sort of stuff about fascist written
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: on the bullet casings, et cetera. So a Barry Cassidy,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: who deletes the post, is asked why did you put
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: it up? You know it's just plain wrong, and he says, well,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: my sources were saying that this was the case. He
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: then later reveals to The Australian that his sources were
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: some bloke and posted it on. I mean like that
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: they had so many people have just jumped to shadows
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: to oh my god, oh my god, it was it
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: was someone on the raid. It was someone on the right.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: This is a guy who, as I said, has a
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: long and distinguished career in political journalism. He should know better.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's been out of the loop for a while, BARRYE.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: So his sources obviously have dried up on this one.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: But it's hard to a barbecue.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: It is part of a pattern of behavior, and Zalie
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: Segel issued this groveling apology for so accidentally liking something
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: that was disgusting about Charlie Kirkin. Unfortunately, what we have seen,
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: and this is a prime example of what occurs when
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: someone like this, and it's an issue that the left
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: has constantly and has become this huge issue the Left
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: that are meant to embracing society and we have to
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: love everyone, except if you don't agree with your views,
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden they're finding a way
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: to punch holes in the argument. The end of the day,
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: a bloke has died, young bloke with kids, and the
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: hatred we have seen on social media from Australians and
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: other parts of the world is sick and I cannot
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: believe it, and it's still happening days after being condemned.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: And I think it also just demonstrates the arrogance of
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: so much of the establishment media. I mean, for him,
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: a retired out of the loop journalist, to go this
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: is embarrassing. For Donald Trump, the arrogance to assume you
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: here in Australia, not a current journalist, somehow have more
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: information on who the assassin was than the President of
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: the United States, who's like primary ally just got assassinated.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: But you know you're going to call him out for
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: having inaccurate information. Give me a break, of course, you know,
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: who do you think you are to know more than
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: the president? It's just absurd, and it also just demonstrates
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: how quickly a lot of these media types will jump
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: on any excuse to attack Donald Trump.
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: Anything at all, any slight piece of evidence.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: But of course he's been proved extremely wrong, and I'm
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: glad that he admits he's extremely embarrassed, and you should be.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: It is embarrassing. But we've also heard now in the
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: news that they're widening the investigation into the assassin and
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: looking at whether other far left groups knew that this
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: assassination was going on ahead of time.
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: There are posts that have been put up.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: There was an account called armed Queers that posts photos
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: with guns and calls for queer resistance that actually held
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: an event at a Utah Universe near where the assassination occurred.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: And so I think there is a deeper trend going
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: on here, which is the rise in left wing radicalization
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: and political violence. And it's going to be interesting to
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: see the ABC types trying to wrap their head around
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: that one.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of grateful for it in some ways that
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: all of this has brought that to the fore, and
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: you know, people have just put their hands up and said, yeah,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: I'm an awful person. Let's show the world I'm an
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: awful person. So you're now marked and we know who
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: you are, thank god. And it has shone a light
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: on just how quickly a lot of people have been
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: willing to justify and celebrate political violence when it is
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: visitors upon their political enemies. It should be noted. Another
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: example of which the half wit musician Bob Villain, who
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: and by the way, that's footage just putting their footage
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: back up again.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Look at this. This is Believe showing there.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: This is a guy going to the Turning Point Center
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: in the US, where of course they've been putting tributes
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: to Charlie Kirk and this guy comes along and tramples
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: over the tributes and flowers, and like, I mean, what
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: is wrong with people speaking? Which I'll go back to
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: mister Villain. You know, it's not exactly the most original
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: name is and it's to play obviously on Bob Dylan,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Bob Villain calls himself. You may remember from Glastonbury earlier
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: in the year was the bloke that came out and
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: said death death to the IDF. So we know what
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: sort of wavelength he is operating on. Now, this is
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: a story in two parts. I'm going to play you
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: the second part first and then show you what he's
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: referring to.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: So he, it is.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Alleged, goes on stage and celebrates the death of Charlie Kirk.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: I'll show you that in a minute, But first I'm
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: going to show you the video that Bob Villain puts
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: out after he's been on stage and people said, didn't
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: you celebrate the death of Charlie Kirk, in which he sees, no,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: I did not.
• 25:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah, real quick, at no point during yesterday's show was
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: Charlie Kirk's death celebrated. At no point whatsoever did we
• 25:12
  Speaker 8: celebrate Charlie Kirk's death. I did call him a piece
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: of that, much is true, But at no point was
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: his death celebrated. If it was, go find me a quote,
• 25:24
  Speaker 8: Go find me something that proves that we were celebrating
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: his death. You're not going to find it because it
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: didn't happen.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: It didn't happen, mister Villain. Exhibit I.
• 25:38
  Speaker 9: I want to dedicate his next one. The pronouns was, were.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: You're honor I risk my case, how can you claim
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: that that is not celebrating the death of Charlie kok Well.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: It's vileent, not for the first time, but it's just
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: so sad that someone of influence could have that much hate.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: And I mean, I just don't understand. This has been
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: a horror case.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: But I don't understand where this trend has crept in
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: that when someone dies or when something really bad happens
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: to someone, that it's okay to.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Joke about and to trivialize, like they may have been
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: your worst enemy.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: But the great traditions of the world have had people
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: be able to pay tribute when someone passes away and say, look,
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: you'd always get something right.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: However, he was good at this and good and that.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: Instead this joking and this laughing, it's been driven.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, some of the things we've.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Said in Australia have been horrific, and it seems like
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: we're almost with young people like they're doing each other a.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Little bit, like it's a bit of a shock value thing.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: But it's a really, really scary and sad precedent. It's
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: just sick.
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: This guy, I'm sorry, he's so pathetic.
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: He's clearly on stage, the audience is cheering, he's smiling
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: as he says. Charlie Kirk chat s word get hit.
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: You speak badly, we will assassinate you, is what he's saying.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: He's clearly laughing about it. And then to go on
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: Instagram and say no, that never happened. If you're going
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: to do it, at least own it, like, at least
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: be like yeah, I said that. Yeah, I got up
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: in front of thousands of people and I said that.
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: It's on film. Everyone saw it. And this is what
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: he did.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: You'll remember at Glastonbury he started the death death to
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: the IDF.
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: Same thing.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: Next day he released a statement and said, yes, I
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: chanted that, but it's not actually calling for the death
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: of Jews. It's just criticizing the Israeli army.
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: I mean, come on, you it, we all know what
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: you mean. Just own it, Just own it.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: But it does underscore as we talked about the radicalization
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: of the left, and that chant like talk badly, talk
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: against us or against what we believe, and you'll get hit.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: That sets such a dangerous precedent, which says, if you
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: disagree with us, we have the right to go out
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: and commit violence against you. You cannot sustain a democracy,
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: you cannot sustain Western civilization when people think like that.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: But the fight for Western civilization continues as mass immigration
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: makes people feel as though their culture and.
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: Their way of life is being erased.
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: This is being felt acutely in the UK and as
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: a result over the weekend we saw hundreds of thousands,
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: potentially even millions.
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: There's actually a.
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: Lot of debate around how many people really came. The
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: media is trying to say it was just tens of thousands,
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: but if you look at the aerial footage, organizers claim
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: it was into the millions.
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: So so many.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: People took to the streets of the UK to protest
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: against mass immigration and for Tommy Robinson. And what was
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: so funny is Kirs Starmer, their Prime Minister, goes, we
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: will not surrender our flag to violence. Britain is a
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: nation proudly built on tolerance, diversity and respect. Our flag
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: represents our diverse country and we will never surrender it
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: to those that use it as a symbol of violence,
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: fear and division. I mean two glaring errors in that statement.
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: Britain was not built on diversity. Britain was built on
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: Britain's defending their island against all sorts of invaders. It
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: was not built on diversity. It was built on a
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: unified nation fighting for their existence over a thousand year.
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: And secondly, that much was not about violence, fear, or division.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: It was just people saying we like our country, we
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: like our culture, and we're going to stand up and
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: defend it.
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: That's not controversial.
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: And if he keeps trying to write these people off
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: as racist or xenophobic, the movement's only going to grow.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: And this is the thing. I don't know whether they
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: just don't realize it or they're just incredibly dumb when
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: it comes to this. Like we said about the Isabelle
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Higgins woman on the ABC saying that the justinjin Amper
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: duper price is racist and has said racist things. It
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: only galvanizes people. So you have at least one hundred
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: thousand there, and you know the police is one hundred
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: and fifty, and the meeting says there were two men
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: and a dog there and they're all far right, but
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: there were twenty five arrests. So the in the whole
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: thing twenty five arrests. And Sakirstama then takes that and says, oh,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: the flag is being hijacked for violence and thuggery and
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: all this sort of stuff. I'm sorry. The surrender of
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: the UK happened a long time ago, buddy, and it
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: had nothing to do with that protest. It's when you
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: start letting people come over from France across the channel
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: in large numbers and did very little about it, and
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: put them up in hotels and got to the point
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: that that many people have to come out in March
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: to say, for God's sake, can we do something about
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: the face of our country please? Is it any wonder
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: that the report's now out of the papers in the
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: UK that Secure Stamor is on borrowed time and he's
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: being told by people within the Labor Party and his
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: own cabinet that he is, as you can see in
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: that headline there in the Last Chance Saloon. I mean,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: this guy has been Prime minister for just over a
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: year and one in a landslide, and so quickly the
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: fortunes have turned around.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: Well, it's amazing. If you look at the setup of
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: the House of Commons. I think he's got more than
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: four hundred seats, which hasn't been seen for decades.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: And yet there's every report.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: You read indicates that it's going to be a matter
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: of time until he's challenged. Now his own side has
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: voted against him on a major welfare policy over there,
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: and also regarding the deputy leader as I understand as well,
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: So look he's had a shoka and look, I think
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: these scenes and we saw very similar protests in Australia
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: a few weeks ago. In any protest, you can call
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: out the bad eggs and make them the story. And
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: we know that when neo Nazis turn up, it's.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Never a good idea.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: But what we don't see in the media is actually
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: talking to people at the protests and say, hey, why
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: did you come here today, what's your reason?
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: All your rent's gone up? Okay? What are you paying
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: for this? You can't get a job okay?
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: And they're the kind of stories that we don't hear
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: about because it's all about just those bad eggs that
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: are ruining the entire thing. So scenes like that need
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: to be acknowledged and understood that there is a big
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: problem in that country.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Indeed, now you've got to rip a one from the
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Fair Work commissioned James Well.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: I need to get your advice on this caler because
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: This bloke should have lost his job.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: But effectively he was a steven Or that worked at
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: a port and shared with his colleagues a bikini photo
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: which was a bikini photo that effectively was of other
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: females in the workplace, and shared that around. He was
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: given a first and final warning, and then the company
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: alleged that he did other things which he actually was
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: found not to have done. But the question is whether
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: sharing a photo of a female colleague in a bikini
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: is a sackable offense in my view, in most workplaces
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: it is.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Well, but if you've put the photo yourself on Facebook
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: or Instagram or whatever LinkedIn, I don't know what it
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: is going to spartch up your LinkedIn. But if you
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: put that photo online yourself, and in this case it
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: was Facebook, and you have colleagues on Facebook, you already
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: know that your colleagues are going to be looking at
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: a photo of you in.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: A bikini if you have them.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: So yeah, well this bloke clearly was on that. So
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: if he then goes jubile god log this bird, what
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: did you think was going to happen?
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: Really?
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: Well, the Fair Work Commission found that he should have
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: been fired for that offense, and that is a firable thing. Look,
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: I think personally, I don't really think you should be
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: posting photos of yourself in a bikini. But at the
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: same time, I don't think your colleagues should be sharing
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: it around either, because it's just kind of weird, Like
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: who cares what people are posting on social media? I
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: just I think it's strange. It's objectifying your colleagues. I
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: can understand if you're the woman in that workplace whose
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: photos had been forwarded, you'd be like, that's a bit weird, right.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: I mean, how would you feel if you know, you
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: go down what's the beach and Adelaide you go to.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Normally you go down to Glenelo, Glenel.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: And your budget Douglas, and then we shared around the office.
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: You probably wouldn't like.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: But I haven't been to the beach in a bunch
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I have. You might catch me in my bodies, but
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: if you see me in my boardies down at the beach,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: that's fair game, isn't it.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: Well, I not need to share it around, and you're objectifying.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: Have a look at this person and what they look like.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: But hang on, he was zooming in on the photos
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: as well.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, I think we might protest
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: too much that there's large sections of the media that
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: make a lot of money out of taking photographs of
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: people on the beach through wearing bikinis and whatever. I mean,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: if you put it out in the public, I think
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: it's fair game. That's what you're asking for. Hey, quickly
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: before we get to a break. If you've got an
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: EV I don't know why you do, but anyway, that's
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: your business. You might have noticed that insurance is quite expensive.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: In fact, the Daily Telegraph has found that it is
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: twice as expensive in most cases as a normal petrol car.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: But it's not because as some people seem to think
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: that these batteries are going to blow up. It's because
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: the mechanics who have to deal with them are worrying
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: they to be electrocuted, and so it takes them a
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: lot longer to do any kind of repair work on
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: It's not the reason I saw coming.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: Oh well, that might be the thing that gets me
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: not to buy that Tesla.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Done it. That's it.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: You've got to think about the insurance and you don't
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: want your mechanic to be electrocuted. After the break, we'll
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: get into the papers. I mean, it's just extraordinary what
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: the IOC is going to do. Of course, after they
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: lead a transgender person going to boxing. Now they're saying
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: that Australian swimmers might not get a go because they're
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: going to have refugees instead. That all coming up.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Radio.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Let's get stuck into the newspapers, James, you've got the advertiser.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a big.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Story that could impact our swimmers heading into the Olympic
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: Games in twenty twenty eight. Julian Linden reports that Australia's
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: next wave of champion swimmers are facing the prospect of
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: missing out on the twenty twenty eight Los Angeles Olympics
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: because of a ratic new qualifying system giving extra players
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: to refugees and competitors from smaller developing nations. This plan
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: will be rubber stamped by the IOC, we believe later
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: this week, and changes include limiting the number of places
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: given to swimming powerhouse nations and increasing spots for refugees
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: and smaller nations. Now I seem to remember hearing a
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: story like this before. But you can imagine if you
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: had two Australians or three Australians that were in a
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: particular discipline, suddenly they'd say, well, no, no, you're only
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: going to get the first one or the second one through.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: That's going to reduce the size of the squad and
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: it's also unfortunately going to mean that some of the
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: races are not as competitive. Also that the IOC can say, hey,
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: we're given every nation a chance. It's good for them,
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: but it's probably it's obviously not good for Australia.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: And it's not good for the sport overall in my view.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're not good enough to make the cut,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: it's just not good enough to make the cut, aren't you.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Surely this has meant to be competition of the best
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: people in the world. If not the best in the world,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: you don't get a go. I don't care if you're
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: a refew g or you're from some tin pot, deskpop
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: little joint. If you're not the best, you're not there.
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And if you start this is essentially DEI at
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: the Olympics. And if you start putting quotas on the
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: country's people come from, do you put quotas on the
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: race people are Because in some sports there I think
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: about athletics, anglos don't really stand.
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: A chance anymore. And that's a fact.
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: And so you're going to put quotas on racial diversity
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: as well.
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: This is just a dumb road to go down for sport.
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: I want to have eric the Yale situation from the
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: City Olympics could have been as a result of a
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: policy like this.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: I believe. I believe that is exactly that because I
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: was trying to think of I'm sure something like this
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: has happened before, and I think that's exactly the one
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: I was thinking of in the last few days. Obviously,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: after Charlie Kirk got shot, all these clips of his
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: sort of come back to to lighting in old clips
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: and stuff, and there was one where someone was talking
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: to him about you know, DEI and this sort of business,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: and he said, oh, well, you know, I think half
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: the NBA should be made white. And this woman sort
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: of goes, she's been cornered and she's like, oh okay.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Then he goes, but the product at be crap because
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: he would like, in you replaced all these tall black
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: dudes in basketball, it would be a crap world.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: It was back in the day. It was yeah, they
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: were allowed to the NBA, it was.
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: The Olympics needs to be about excellence.
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: It needs to be about who is the best in
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: the world not DEI, but in the coreer mail tomorrow
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: a really interesting headline licensed to krill whale drug used
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: in euthanasia ring a Gold Coast man set up a
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: charity to euthanize beached Wales, which police will allege was
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: a front to obtain drugs he then sold to others
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: so they could end their lives. Brett Daniel Taylor, fifty three,
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: of Maine Beach, who also runs a wills and probate
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: business called End of Life Services, has been charged with
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: assisting two suicides. Police are now investigating his alleged links
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: to twenty other cases. Police alleged mister Taylor was able
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: to source the drug through a registered charity called Caatecation Compassion.
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: I mean, I guess that kind of makes sense. If
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: you're going to euthanize people whale, euthanize drugs are probably
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: going to be effective, and maybe it's smart business as well.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: If you're also offering wills, you can offer end of
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: life services. But that is really sad and horrible, and
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: to think that this is going on without any of
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: the regulations around euthanasia, which are not great at the
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: best of times, is very disturbing.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: I guess things like this has probably been going on
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: for a long time in terms of you know, the
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: standpoint that the doctors, so it just gives you the
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: shot of morphine or whatever to push you over the edge.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: But if this is true, of course it's all leeged.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: This is now going to play out through the court.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: It will be an extraordinary story to follow well.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: And also generally, and I'm not sure if every state
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: is the same, but as I standard, you can only
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: receive euthanasia if you have a certain period to live
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: with a terminal disease. And I'm not aware of the
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: circumstances of this case, but it will be interesting to
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: see if allegedly those rules will bypassed.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: But a unique story if nothing else.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: And I'm sorry on the front of the courier mail
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: tomorrow about sunscreen and you know you might want to
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: pay attention if you summer's coming, the pitfalls of sunscreen.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: People who play SB A fifty plus on sunscreen every
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: day should consider taking vitamin D supplements as a way
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: to maintain their health. So we're I mean, you know,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: we're always told slip, slop, slap, sleek and slide and
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: all this business.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: But we are those other ones.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: It's slip slop, slap, seek, seek, seek shade and slide
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: on sunning. Yeah, I know, no, that's that's the most
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: recent campaign like LGBT. I know, back in the day.
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: It was just slip slots and now the same people
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: are getting enough sun.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, but this is the problem, so that you're putting
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: on too much sunscreen and now you're not getting a D.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: You can't win in this world.
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: This actually doesn't surprise me. I've noticed this on social media.
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: There are some very neurotic gen z, especially girls who
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: are so scared of skin cancer. They will have like
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: suits on, gloves on to go outside. They don't want
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: to see any sun. But guess what Sun's actually good
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: for human beings. It is an essential part of life
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: to get vitamin D. So guys stop being so anxious.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Anyone. Remember when Nigella Lawson I Love I Love Nigella
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Lawson came out to Australia and went to the beach
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: and put on a BURKINI yes, yeah, yeah, you know
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: that's one way to avoid this sun. I suppose over
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: on the Australian tomorrow is a warning that you may
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: not be ever getting any son ever again, because we're
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: all going to be dead and we're all flatter in
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: the World's absolutely you know what maximum Bowen density. Chris
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Bowen has vowed to defire global slowdown on climate action
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: with a twenty thirty five the missions reduction target that
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: will give Australians pride in its level of ambition, national
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: pride about climate change. I mean, this is what I've
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: been hanging on to for a long time. Sorry. With
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: the release of a doomsday climate change reports, backing increased
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: demands from unions and green groups to reject a moderate
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: target recommended by businesses, the Climate Change and Energy Minister
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: said the cost of inaction will always outweigh the cost
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: of action, while Anthony Albanez He said the release of
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: the National Climate Risk Assessment will help inform the twenty
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: thirty five and missions reduction target he will unveil later
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: this week. I mean it goes on about if the
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: temperatures gap by three percent, which they're not going to
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: because it's predicated on the idea that no one does anything,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: that the whole joint is going to be flooded and
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Brisbane is going to have more than three hundred flooding
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: days every year, and all the waterfront property is going
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: to disappear. I mean, pull the other one right.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: Well, I just worry about the impact on kids, and
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: I think this kind of language in the news cycle,
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: and if it's relayed into schools, is terrifying. And there's
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: been child psychologists say today that if you're a parent,
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: you shouldn't be talking to your kids about these things,
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: because we're led to believe from what we've read today
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: that this is coming. There's nothing we can do about it,
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: and the best we can do is one option, which
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: is still really, really bad. I mean the one thing
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: in this report, and you should read through it at home.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: It's about two hundred and eighty four pages.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Search for the word.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: China and India and see if either of those two
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: countries come up.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: They don't.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: We're led to believe from all of this this is
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: our fault, when in standards, we know China is thirty
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: percent of the world's emissions, India is a massive number,
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Australia as one percent, And yet you read that and
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: you believe that we are causing all of this.
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: Exactly, we could go negative zero tomorrow, be absorbing the world.
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: CO two and absolutely nothing would change.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: Don't give them any ideas negative zero will be the
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: next frontier.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Hey, this is whereth mentioning is well.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: Just very quickly, the Allen government has stripped millions of
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: dollars from youth crime prevention initiatives amid Victoria's worsening youth
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: crime crisis. This is an the Herald Sun on the
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: front page tomorrow. Funding has fallen from an average of
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: almost thirteen million dollars a year to just five hundred
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: and forty one thousand dollars annually in.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: The past three years.
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: Now, these are the initiatives that are designed to stop
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: people from committing crimes, maybe move people away from crime
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: education and with Victoria out of control on crime, that
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: is a shocker in itself. And Caleb, I don't think
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: it'll be any surprise.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: No, no, indeed, And there's another story there we don't
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: have time for. But the Albanezi government is going to
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: find fifty million dollars to social media companies that don't
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: get kids off their platforms. By god, this is going
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: to be a hell of a thing to deal with,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: isn't it. The break plenty to get to, including state
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: of origin returns to the AFL. I've been saying for
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: a long time they need to bring this back. It
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: works so well in the NRL, but not all the
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: states are going to be involved on that sing.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Look, I've been saying it for a while and I
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: think the AFL has taken notice of what I've said.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: I've single handedly brought this thing to being. Now that's
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: what Donald Trump would say in this circumstance. I'm sure
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: others have been involved in the push, but State of
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Origin is returning to the AFL.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Sate of Origin has not been played in Aussie rules
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: since nineteen ninety nine. They're going to play the first
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: game since then twenty six odd years or twenty seven years,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: probably by this point on Valentine's Day next year. So
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: if you want to take your dearly beloved to the football,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: you've got to hike it over to Perth because it's
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: going to be Victoria versus w A. Where is South Australia?
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: And I don't just say that because I'm from the joint.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty nine got ninety two thousand people into
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: the MCG for a match between Victoria and South Australia.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: Why didn't we get a look, well, I wouldn't worry
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: because the reality is this is just a one off
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: game and I don't know what the AFL is trying
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: to do because State of Origin has been so successful
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: for rugby league, three games mid season, the greatest three
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: games of the season out side of the Grand Final.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: And the concern for me is that it's a one off.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: It's a pop up. I'm not sure if it's.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: Mandatory for players to take part in. I'm assuming not,
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: so that would sort of question the quality of the game,
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: but I'll call it kayleb. The AFL has bigger crowds,
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: they've got a broader reach across the country, but the
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: pop up side versions rugby league is killing them. The
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: women's game state of Origin, you know, well we had
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: that AFL X and the AFL that was terrible and
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: there's some issues there, but in my view, look who cares.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: If they want to play this game, go for it.
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, pretty exciting stuff. I can't say much of.
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: A sport person full stop, but I'm very excited that
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: you guys are excited about this. Something else that is
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: extremely exciting is a couple He's.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: A sport for you in the UK.
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: That have grown a giant, a giant pumpkin.
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: It's the size of three baby elephants, three hundred and
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: ninety kilos. Now, the couple says they're going to enter
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: it into the National National Giant Vegetables. But the problem
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: is so they're going to enter it into this championship,
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: but they don't know how they're.
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: Going to transport it.
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: So if any there are any engineers watching, you know
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: how we could transport a three hundred and ninety ko
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: pumpkin to the National Giant Vegetables Championship.
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: This couple would love your help.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: And here I am thinking how good we get state
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: of origin back in the AFL and other people are
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: competing in the National.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Ladd just got on the back of a truck one
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: three baby elephants. Fine, what are they going to carve
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: it up?
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: We'll see the whole village roast.
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: It's almost Halloween, so maybe I.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: Speaking of trucks before we go, have a look at this.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: This is in Mexico City and a.
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: Truck carrying bottles of soda has collapsed into the ground
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: a giant sinkhole. Imagine the fizz out about Initial reports
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: suggested a collapse draining system had caused the sinkhole. Clearly
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: some local councils that are not having their rates paid
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: over there, and we've got a couple of pothole is shites,
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: but something.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Look, I'm glad it happened to the track because the
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: other option is that it was going to happen to me,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: because it'd be so bloody fat after all the soft
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: drink thank you for joining us, and i'd have thinks
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: three depending for sure. Good