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The Late Debate | 30 June · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome the Late Debates.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Frey Leach, joined by Holly Hughes and Joe Hildebrand
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  Speaker 3: filling in for Caleb Von and James McPherson. Here's what's
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  Speaker 3: coming up on the Late Debate. Calls to Kevin Right
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  Speaker 3: as Australia's ambassador to Washington as he's accused of blocking
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  Speaker 3: access to the White House.
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  Speaker 2: Peace Love and.
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  Speaker 3: Six hundred dollars tickets to hear hate. How Glastonbury Music
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  Speaker 3: Festival has officially lost the plot?
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  Speaker 2: Plus can Cole be cool again?
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  Speaker 3: One lobby group has a plan to convince women to
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  Speaker 3: ditch the climate crusades and embrace Cole. Pennywong is on
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  Speaker 3: her way to Washington for the Quad meeting this week,
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  Speaker 3: and we'll try to remind the world that.
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  Speaker 2: We actually exist.
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  Speaker 3: Well, she won't get that coveted meeting with Trump. She
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  Speaker 3: will meet with Secretary of State Mark Rubio. This visit
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  Speaker 3: comes at a truly critical time. Orcus is under review.
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  Speaker 3: We've been slapt with tariffs. Meanwhile, Albanezi has refused to
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  Speaker 3: heed America's call to lift defence spending to three point
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  Speaker 3: five percent of GDP, making US in Australia an outlier
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  Speaker 3: in the Western world. But according to Trump's twenty sixteen Polster,
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  Speaker 3: the biggest issue blocking our relationship with Trump is actually
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  Speaker 3: Kevin Rudd.
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  Speaker 4: Donald Trump needs to find an Australian that he likes,
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  Speaker 4: or Australia needs to find an Australian that Donald Trump
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  Speaker 4: likes and let that person take point, because so much
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  Speaker 4: with Donald Trump is personal relationship.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think this is personal he simply doesn't know
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  Speaker 3: Anthony Ibnezi or he doesn't like him.
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  Speaker 4: I think he doesn't like the current ambassador and that's
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  Speaker 4: one of the biggest issues.
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  Speaker 2: Really, this is no surprise.
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  Speaker 3: Labor has spent years disparaging Trump. Now they have no
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  Speaker 3: working relationship with the administration and it is us in
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  Speaker 3: Australia that are going to pay.
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  Speaker 2: Joe, My question is bringing you in as the token
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  Speaker 2: labor supporter here?
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  Speaker 5: Is it so confair and imbalanced and impartial and balance? Yes,
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  Speaker 5: I should work the ABASA.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so impartial.
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  Speaker 3: Is it time for Australia to sack Kevin run as
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  Speaker 3: ambassador and put someone in who can actually have some
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  Speaker 3: influence over the administration?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Look, so I'll spill the tea on everything I know
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  Speaker 5: about it. My understanding is, and it comes from very
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  Speaker 5: senior sources, and I know a lot of people who
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  Speaker 5: work in Department of Foreign Affairs and the government obviously,
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  Speaker 5: but that it was actually Rudd and the US Embassy
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  Speaker 5: in Washington, Australia's US Embassy in Washington that set up
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  Speaker 5: that all important phone call between Donald Trump and Anthony
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  Speaker 5: Albanezi that had been actually planned for weeks and has
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  Speaker 5: been set up for weeks, and not everyone got one,
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  Speaker 5: but we did, and it happened to take place just
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  Speaker 5: twenty four hours after he did that tariff announcement, So
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  Speaker 5: that actually, with a bit of hard work and a
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  Speaker 5: bit of good luck, that actually put us in pole
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  Speaker 5: position to raise our.
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  Speaker 6: Are we?
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  Speaker 5: So Rudd has had What I'm saying is Rudd has
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  Speaker 5: had some success with Trump, and I think Trump's I
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  Speaker 5: think it's selling Trump a bit short that to say, oh,
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  Speaker 5: once you've sort of crossed him, you're you know, you're
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  Speaker 5: dead to him. Trump has got a very to his credit,
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  Speaker 5: has got a very long and strong tradition of forgiving
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  Speaker 5: people who have said mean things.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I accept that, but it does seem clear that
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  Speaker 3: labor and the left, I mean We've heard Albanezi say
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  Speaker 3: he's scared of Trump, and this anti Trump retoric has
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  Speaker 3: been repeated constantly. Just last week, the Foreign Minister of
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  Speaker 3: the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Rwanda got a
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  Speaker 3: face to face meeting with Trump. Yet the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 3: of Australia, who's part of UCAST, part of the Court,
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  Speaker 3: a key Western ally cat, can barely get a phone call, couldn't.
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  Speaker 7: Even get a phone call when they had the meeting canceled.
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  Speaker 7: They didn't even get a heads up, mate, listen, bit
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  Speaker 7: of a new you in the Middle East, I got
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  Speaker 7: a duck home, didn't even get a phone call with
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  Speaker 7: regards to the meeting that had to be canceled. There's
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  Speaker 7: been zero effort for it to be re established. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: I think it's time gena Ryan Hart or Greg Norman
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  Speaker 7: or someone else's a high quality Australian that actually gets
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  Speaker 7: on with Trump maybe the better person to go and
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  Speaker 7: have a conversation because Albaneze is getting nowhere everybody. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: you know, there was an expression around years ago if
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  Speaker 7: you wanted to be a Julia Gillard. You know, if
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  Speaker 7: you like Julia, if you hated Julia Gillard.
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  Speaker 6: Don't meet her.
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  Speaker 7: If you like Kevin Rudd, don't meet it and you
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  Speaker 7: know Joe, you would remember that. I mean, Gillard was
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  Speaker 7: very well respected in like percent everybody thought Kevin O
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  Speaker 7: seven and Kevin. You met Kevin once you spent time
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  Speaker 7: with Kevin, you know, and got to know Kevin was
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  Speaker 7: to not want to spend time with Kevin. So I think,
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  Speaker 7: you know, flight attendants on RAF jets and Trump are
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  Speaker 7: probably making the same call and not wanting to spend
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  Speaker 7: time with our man.
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  Speaker 5: I think to be fair album, I mean, he did
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  Speaker 5: have a meeting with Trump scheduled for the J seven.
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  Speaker 5: It's just that Trump had to go off and save
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  Speaker 5: the world, not really have to be a sideline meeting
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  Speaker 5: because Australia is not in the G seven anything Australia.
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  Speaker 2: But this is exactly that's the point. It's critical here.
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  Speaker 3: If if Almani's he was actually focused on repairing this
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  Speaker 3: relationship with Trump, wouldn't the first and most obvious step
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  Speaker 3: be to get on the plane and actually meet him
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  Speaker 3: in the White House.
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  Speaker 1: But if these things have to be just rock up
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  Speaker 1: because he doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: But I would say he doesn't want to go to
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  Speaker 3: the White House because he doesn't want to be confronted
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  Speaker 3: by Trump. He wants to have these sideline meetings where
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  Speaker 3: they can be informal and non confrontational, because he knows
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  Speaker 3: he will be grilled on defense.
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  Speaker 5: A fine man, a very fine man, and they're going
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  Speaker 5: to be great friends. Everything's going to be great.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to have a great arcis Yeah, Well let's hope. So.
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  Speaker 3: But look, it is clear the US does not like
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  Speaker 3: the direction that Australia is heading in, especially with our
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  Speaker 3: defense spending. But not to worry guys, China seeds to
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  Speaker 3: love it. Their ambassador wrote an opinion piece in The
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  Speaker 3: Australian Today urging us to see China as a friend,
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  Speaker 3: not a foe, and they also called on Albanezi to
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  Speaker 3: resist pressure to spend more on defense.
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  Speaker 2: H I wonder why the Chinese would be saying that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, when asked about it, how many easy got very sensitive.
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  Speaker 1: So the Chinese ambassador speaks for China.
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  Speaker 7: My job is to speak for Australia, and it's in
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  Speaker 7: Australia's national interest for us to invest in our capability
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  Speaker 7: and to invest in our relationships.
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  Speaker 1: And we're doing just so, thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Our defense spending is now more aligned with what China
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  Speaker 3: wants from us than with what the US wants. We
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  Speaker 3: saw NATO commit to five percent. We've been asked to
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  Speaker 3: go to three point five percent. We won't even do that.
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  Speaker 3: This is an indictment on our government.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I think what China doesn't want is US having
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  Speaker 7: the capability to notice when one of their hips is
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  Speaker 7: circumnavigating our nation.
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  Speaker 6: They're a little bit worried.
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  Speaker 7: We might give a bit of money to virgin pilots
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  Speaker 7: so they can recognize when live fire.
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  Speaker 5: Missiles on the virgin flight. You know, all our problems.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe that's what we need to do is actually, you know,
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  Speaker 7: to invest the money, time, effort, and energy into just
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  Speaker 7: training up our commercial pilots to see if they can
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  Speaker 7: spot any anomally happening out in ours.
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  Speaker 1: And you've got to draw the lines up.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, you know, yeah, there's so many places where
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  Speaker 7: we could go with that.
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  Speaker 5: Joseph I actually said, these people on a virgin flight
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  Speaker 5: and nearly got shot down by Chinese spilship.
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  Speaker 1: Now you expect that kind of thing on Jetstar a
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  Speaker 1: Middle Australian paraly not on virgins.
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  Speaker 5: I think, I mean, obviously the fact that China thinks
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  Speaker 5: our defense vet is too high, probably tells you that
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  Speaker 5: maybe it's not so bad after all. Obviously we're not
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  Speaker 5: going to listen to China. I think we will actually
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  Speaker 5: up out and this is the thing. There will be
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  Speaker 5: a meeting with Trump and they will both come out
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  Speaker 5: of it, and I'm pretty sure that it will result
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  Speaker 5: in August being officially ratified or reaffirmed, and Albo will
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  Speaker 5: say yes, and we're going to increase defense spending. We've
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  Speaker 5: spontaneously decided to increase it to three percent in EXEUS.
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  Speaker 3: But what concerns me is why is this not what
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  Speaker 3: they're already doing.
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  Speaker 2: Why does it have to be dragged, kicking and screaming
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  Speaker 2: to increase.
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  Speaker 5: Because it has to be a deal, because the whole
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  Speaker 5: thing is that you have to you have to.
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  Speaker 1: You go into a meeting, you come out.
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  Speaker 5: And Albo says Australia is a big winner because we've
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  Speaker 5: got Orcust and we're spending on defense. And Trump can
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  Speaker 5: go out and say to his base, sal I made
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  Speaker 5: Australia increase it spending to defense.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Being we're not even getting the meeting now, because to say.
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  Speaker 5: For the meeting, you've got to save you have if
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  Speaker 5: you already say, oh, will increase the defense spending. You
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  Speaker 5: suddenly lose all your all your cards, and Trump loves cards.
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  Speaker 7: As as Zelenski knows the art of the deal.
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  Speaker 5: You go and say, you know this is two point
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  Speaker 5: three percent and we're not budgeting. Then you say, all right,
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  Speaker 5: we're going to take orcas who we're and Chine is
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  Speaker 5: going to advt all right, we'll go to three.
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  Speaker 1: And then you go and then you both come out
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  Speaker 1: and you say we've got a deal.
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  Speaker 2: It's he.
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  Speaker 3: The problem with that, Holly is that it assumes that
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  Speaker 3: Australia can actually offer anything substantive to Trump. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think he cares two hoots about whether we increase defense
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  Speaker 3: spending or not. Currently, he just thinks we're free riders
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  Speaker 3: off the US, and he's shown that he is willing
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  Speaker 3: to blow up alliances in order to get nations to budge.
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  Speaker 3: We in Australia have a lot more to lose. We
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  Speaker 3: have less chips in this negotiation than the US does.
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  Speaker 7: Look, I think geographically we're very important for them across
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  Speaker 7: the world. Where we are located. We're closer to Hawaii,
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  Speaker 7: we've got Pine Gap. I do think there are things
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  Speaker 7: that we can do working with our alliance.
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  Speaker 6: That are maybe not dollars down per se.
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  Speaker 7: But when you look at Tindle and its location, which
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  Speaker 7: just for someone who might be part of the Shadow Ministry,
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  Speaker 7: it's not in Darwin, it's just outside of Catherine. But
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  Speaker 7: you speak to the US fighter pilots during Pitch Black,
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  Speaker 7: and they of the fact that they can fly over
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  Speaker 7: this huge desert not over built up areas, something that
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  Speaker 7: they don't have the ability to do those exercises. I
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  Speaker 7: think we need to be more clever in the way
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  Speaker 7: we approach this relationship. What we can bring to the
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  Speaker 7: table our GDPY is you know, we're talking to one
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  Speaker 7: percent twenty six billion dollars. When you look at some
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  Speaker 7: of the other nations and the percentage that they're going
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  Speaker 7: to be spending in dollar terms, it's a big lot
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  Speaker 7: more chunk of change than we've got when you look
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  Speaker 7: at the size of their economies. So I just think
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  Speaker 7: everyone needs to be a bit smarter about this.
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  Speaker 6: That doesn't seem to be the case.
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  Speaker 3: Well the other people that definitely need to be a
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  Speaker 3: little smarter. I some of the people that performed at
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  Speaker 3: the UK Music Festival Glastonbury, do you remember the days
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  Speaker 3: when music festival going young people were basically doped up pippies,
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  Speaker 3: all about peace and love.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I.
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  Speaker 1: Remember the sixties. You weren't there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's exactly right.
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  Speaker 3: I definitely don't because I wasn't around in the sixties.
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  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, hang on, hang on.
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  Speaker 6: Neither would Joe and I.
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  Speaker 5: I just like say that was a sixties hippie.
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  Speaker 1: He was a wandering American turrier.
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  Speaker 6: We haven't fed. The apple has not rolled to the.
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  Speaker 3: Therapy, so does explain a lot about you, Joe. But
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  Speaker 3: I've also seen the iconic images of woodstop and music festivals.
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  Speaker 3: Back then it was all peace and love, but today
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  Speaker 3: they are so different. The UK's Glassenbury will set you
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  Speaker 3: back at least six hundred dollars and you'll get to
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  Speaker 3: hear performances that are not music, not art, just pure hatred.
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  Speaker 3: This is one musician who performed at the festival and
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  Speaker 3: he calls himself Bob.
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  Speaker 5: Villain, theft If, the If, the IDF.
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  Speaker 3: This is another band that was also at the festival
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  Speaker 3: called Kneecap. One of their band members has been charged
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  Speaker 3: with a terror offence after displaying a flag in sport
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  Speaker 3: of Hezbla and allegedly shouting up her mass up hezbla
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  Speaker 3: Is are war criminals.
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  Speaker 2: It's Jana said, like PAMs Lessen, I can see the
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  Speaker 2: Amernda Palestinian flags here.
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  Speaker 8: And it's seeing the BBC editor is going to have some.
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  Speaker 3: Job, particularly that first chance chanting death death to the IDF.
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  Speaker 3: How is that not incitement to violence? And how did
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  Speaker 3: the lefty hippie progressive you claim to stand on the
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  Speaker 3: side of human rights and love and tolerance suddenly end
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  Speaker 3: up on this side of terror organizations.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly right, and that's the most interesting thing
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  Speaker 5: about it. So it's one thing for a sort of
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  Speaker 5: extremist to be out there saying, you know, I want
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  Speaker 5: to blow up Israel.
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  Speaker 1: That means you are a terrorist.
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  Speaker 5: It's another thing for all these peace love and mung
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  Speaker 5: being hippies to be like that. So that's selling Palestinian
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  Speaker 5: flags a glass. But apparently they're selling they were selling
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  Speaker 5: and might.
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  Speaker 6: Just ask how they made in China.
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  Speaker 5: Probably I think ten quid. It was so you could
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  Speaker 5: show how you know, right on you are. It costs
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  Speaker 5: about I know you said six hundred must be cheap.
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  Speaker 5: Their tickets from my from what I could gather the
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  Speaker 5: basic entry pass for the full three days was eight
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  Speaker 5: hundred dollars Australian, so three hundred and forty pounds about it.
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  Speaker 5: So we are talking rich, cashed up progressive hipsters who
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  Speaker 5: go to these things, right, this is not these are
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  Speaker 5: not for the working man. And so there are two
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  Speaker 5: and this is how sort of weird and creepy it gets.
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  Speaker 5: So there's this Irish rap group from Belfast called Kneecap,
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  Speaker 5: which I think is a play on the fact that
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  Speaker 5: the IRA used to go around kneecapping informers. Then they
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  Speaker 5: were last November, a year after the October seventh attack.
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  Speaker 5: They're one of their members to be to show how
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  Speaker 5: hardcore they were, shouted upper mass up. Hezbeler draped himself
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  Speaker 5: in the heasbell of flag. Now because the UK has
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  Speaker 5: all these kind of to be honest, quite draconian sort
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  Speaker 5: of hate speech, Lord, you can talk about We're talking
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  Speaker 5: about that later. He actually got charged last in May.
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  Speaker 1: I think we're July now.
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  Speaker 5: He got charged in May with the terror related offenses
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  Speaker 5: supporting a terror organization because Hamas and Hes prescribed terror
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  Speaker 5: organization in the UK, but they are here. Glastonbury still
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  Speaker 5: put him on so even while he was being charged
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  Speaker 5: with supporting a terrorist organization, Glastonbury still has him on.
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  Speaker 5: Now this creates a pickle for the BBC because the
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  Speaker 5: BBC is live streaming the whole thing. So what the
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  Speaker 5: BBC do is right, We're not going to live stream Kneecap.
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  Speaker 5: But what they didn't know was there was another group
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  Speaker 5: called Bob Villain. Get it the clues in the name.
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  Speaker 5: This is a duo who used fake names, both Bobby Villain.
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  Speaker 5: So there's Bobby Villain with a Y and Bobby Villain
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  Speaker 5: with an ie and they're both members of the group
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  Speaker 5: called Bob Villain.
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  Speaker 1: Kids are so clever these days.
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  Speaker 5: I can only think of I can only think of
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  Speaker 5: like one pun so they thought they.
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  Speaker 1: Use it three?
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  Speaker 6: What gets me?
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  Speaker 7: Bob Villain or violin whatever they are, But you would
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  Speaker 7: assume thinking of their name bit of Bob Dylan something,
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  Speaker 7: that's the whole idea that John Dylan is Jewish?
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  Speaker 6: Ye have they not figured that out?
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  Speaker 5: Like I mean to see, you're also bought again Christian
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  Speaker 5: for some time they get into that.
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  Speaker 6: Seriously.
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  Speaker 7: If they're anti Semitic and designers calling for the destruction
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  Speaker 7: of the IDF and they've named themselves.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know, is that an element of irony?
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  Speaker 5: I'm I think I think the idea is that while
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  Speaker 5: Bob Dylan was all peace, love and mung beans, they're.
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  Speaker 1: More hard, good, hard cool.
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  Speaker 5: But the real kicker is that when Kneecap gets busted
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  Speaker 5: with these things. So Kneecaps sort of started all and
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  Speaker 5: then obviously these guys who are opening act for them,
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  Speaker 5: I reckon they would have said, right, we'll do.
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  Speaker 1: It for you.
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  Speaker 5: But every time NCAP gets busted, they don't stand by
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  Speaker 5: it and say. You know, they've said other things like
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  Speaker 5: the only dead toy, the only good toy is a
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  Speaker 5: dead toy. You should kill your local tory and pay
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  Speaker 5: or whatever, and then when they get caught they go
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  Speaker 5: because that has happened in the UK, MPs have been
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  Speaker 5: killed and they said, oh no, no, we didn't mean that.
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  Speaker 5: That's just you know, that's just part of our actress,
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  Speaker 5: a part of our persona, that who we are. So
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  Speaker 5: they are openly saying the actually full of shit. They're
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  Speaker 5: just pretending that this is just activist cos play. And
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  Speaker 5: yet they're doing all this, and yet the crowd gets
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  Speaker 5: sucked along the crowd gets sucked along for this thing
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  Speaker 5: that even the acts themselves, even Mekap itself admits it's
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  Speaker 5: just doing to pretend it's more hardcore than it realized.
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  Speaker 3: Convening right, and that's that's exactly right, because the problem
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: with progressives is progressive without any values.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: They have to.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: Continue progressing towards things, but they don't know what they're
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: progressing towards, and you have to be more and more edgy,
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: more and more pushing the boundaries, and eventually you don't
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: have any sense of right or wrong anymore, and you're
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: literally chanting incitements to violence. It is honestly shocking. But
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: there is apparently a spot of hope in UK for
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: young people because a couple of years ago veganism was
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: all the rage. Vegan restaurants, vegan grosses and even vegan.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Butchers were booming.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: But now cashed up under forties aren't paying top dollar
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: soggy rabbit food. Some are instead paying one hundred and
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: eighty pounds for a.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Class on butchery with real meat.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: According to a chef who's worked with some of London's
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: top restaurants, across the board, meat is searching in demand
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: that waitro is one of their big grocery stores.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Sales of WAGU burgers.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: And meat balls are up twenty percent since May, and
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: Tesco said that searches for WAGU were up eighty seven
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: percent compared to last year. Holly, my question to you
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: is if millennials can snap out of the fad of veganism,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: is there still hope for young people?
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: This is this is.
• 17:39
  Speaker 7: Just inspiring and gives me hope for the next generation.
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: You know, they'll be any take care next.
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: I mean, honestly, this is honestly the best sign I
• 17:49
  Speaker 7: think I've ever heard of the millennials finally waking up
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: that fake meat is not meat, that they.
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: Can actually not have to.
• 17:57
  Speaker 7: I mean, there was you know that saying how you
• 18:00
  Speaker 7: know if someone does crossfeed or is it vegan, because
• 18:03
  Speaker 7: they'll tell you and you know it's both of those things.
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: And the fact that vegans are on the way out.
• 18:09
  Speaker 7: I mean, honestly, I think I don't think I have
• 18:11
  Speaker 7: any friends who are vegan, and I'm not quite sure
• 18:14
  Speaker 7: whether that's symptomatic or not.
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: Which way, you know.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: The vegan insufferable.
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: The chicken or the egg come first, The vegan or
• 18:19
  Speaker 7: the friendship come first, but they certainly wouldn't be a friend.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: And there were a lot of celebrities that did promote
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: veganism is a big thing, but even they seem to
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: have dropped off the vegan bandwagon. Many have actually realized
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: it's terrible for their health and they end up with
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: all sorts of vitamin deficiencies, et cetera.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: And it's but it's not actually about that.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: Again, like so many other things, it's not actually about
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: being vegan. It's not actually about the food. It's not
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: even really, I don't think, actually about the planet. It's like,
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: it's about being able to tell people that you're vegan.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: But if everybody's vegan, then suddenly you're not special anymore,
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: so boredable. So it's actually so it's actually more edgy
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: if you say, oh yeah, I'm actually really it's like
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: when all the inner city hipster's got into slow cooked
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: beef brisket and stuff, because it was like really, but
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you what something very interesting. Do you know
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: how edgy being a vegan is these days? Guess who's
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: a vegan?
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Who? This guy?
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: That's right, That is Bobby Villain from Bob Villain, the
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: same guy who performed at Glasses saying death to the
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: ivy f and his big fu to all the people
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: who had a problem with it. Was him eating some
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: ice cream, and he actually took the time if you
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: can actually.
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: See in brackets it's vegan ice.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: Out of his way to make the point that it's
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: vegan ice cream.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Well, Joe, just how virtuous wing is.
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: We need to remember all those poor cows that were milked.
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: You know, the damage that was done to those cows
• 19:51
  Speaker 7: ice cream.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, I know, I said kill all the Israeli guys.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: It's okay, I've got a bad person.
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: I don't let cows be milked.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: It's so bsien.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: It's like, if you're vegan, you can cover up a
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: multitude of sins because I'm vegan, the ultimate virtue. In
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: some parts of the country, though one in ten nine
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: to fourteen year olds are on NDIS. Now this is
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: significant because Labour's argument was that if NDIS offers early
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: intervention for younger kids, they won't need it as they
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: get older, and that's how they're trying to justify the
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: astonishing eleven percent of six year olds who were using
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: the forty eight billion dollar scheme. But these figures now
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: show that Even with that early intervention, a rising number
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: of children are continuing.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: To use the scheme even as they get older.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: The data also interestingly revealed that NDIS participation rates in
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: lower socioeconomic regional areas are as much as double those
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: in wealthy city areas. For example, the affluent suburb of
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: North Sydney here in New South Wales has one of
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: the lowest participations rates at three point five percent, whereas
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: the mid North Coast of New South Wales it's around
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: ten percent.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Now this raises holly serious.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Questions about the sustainability of the NDIS. I mean, you're
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: seeing kids staying on it for longer and at a
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: growing rate. Plus, I guess it's challenging. Now, how do
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: you rein it in when it's being relied on overwhelmingly
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: by kids from disadvantaged backgrounds.
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: So someone in politics needs to put their big boy
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: and big girl pants on and have a look at this.
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: Because one in ten kids do not have a disability.
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: They just don't.
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: I don't care what the AMA or the pediatrics or
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: anybody else says.
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: They don't.
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: Developmental delay, global developmental delays, some speech delays, A couple
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: of fine motor or gross motor skill issues does not
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: make autism or a lifelong and permanent disability. The NDIS
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: was meant for people with lifelong disability, and it needs
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: to get back to.
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: What it was designed for.
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: Bill Shorten wanted to bring in foundational supports, which were
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: these early interventions that the states boycotted when the NDIS
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: came in. They're supposed to start a couple of hours
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: to night, and nobody even knows what they are. They
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: haven't even been defined yet, they haven't worked out how
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: the state's going to pay for them.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: Kids aren't accessing them, they don't exist.
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: It is extraordinary, though, that those kids are actually getting
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: the diagnosis, and I think there needs to be some
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: sort of analysis of where these diagnoses are coming from,
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: because kids are obviously having their disability or alleged disability
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: or non disability overstated in a really big way. As
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: the mother of a child with profound disability, I can
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: tell you I am very worried that this scheme is
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: just going to tip over.
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: It is getting very very close to that, and we're seeing.
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: People come in in their forties, fifties, and sixties being diagnosed.
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: Even though they've got careers. Families. You know, I'm going
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: to be so popular.
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: At the end of it, but you know they've had
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: and then all of a sudden they're later in life
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: diagnosed with autism. But you know they've managed to function
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: through their life, and now they're getting fifty sixty seventy
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: thousand dollars packages to get cleaners come through and gardeners
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: to come through, and assistance with transport that they've never
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: needed before. This is the kind of stuff that's got
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: to stop. I genuinely hope Mark Butler and Anne Rustin
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: and then Jennie McAllister and Phil Thompson can get together
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: because this is a bipartisan scheme. It needs bipartisan cooperation
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: to try and fix it because without it being fixed,
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: it will fall over.
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: That is absolutely right. I've been up to my neck
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: in this issue my whole life, basically, so the National
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: Disability Insurance Scheme, it's actual sort of genesis. The model
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: for it was a Victorian scheme called the Transport Accident Commission,
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: where if you had a catastrophic accident, a road accident,
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: and you're incapacitated, you would get a payer and you
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: would get looked after and you get payments for the
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: rest of your life. Your medical bills take care of now.
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: One of my friends who actually just saw, yes, that
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: was in a horrific motorcycle accident, left in brain braining,
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: half blind, physically crippled.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Half of his body.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: So this is something I know incredibly intimately well and
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: ironically another friend of mine, my best friend, also had
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: a terrible accident, but because it wasn't on a public road,
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: he got absolutely nothing. So you have these two situations.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: One one, you.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: Know, arguably just as bad as each other. My friends
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: are quadriplegic. My other friend is brain damage. But what
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: I mean, my best mate was actually advised, you know,
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: they said that actually was there was the combination of incidents.
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: But he h he dived into his back his parents
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: backyard swimming pool and that was kind of literally the
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: straw that broke his back. And one piece of advice
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: he got was you should sue your parents, sue your
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: parents and let their insurance pay because that's the only
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: way you can get anything.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: So he didn't, of.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: Course, But so so he's now, you know, and he's
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: living alive, and he's get some support from the ndis
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: painful and everything.
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: But you know, the way the India is either way
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: potions now that is, and the things that they are
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: saying they won't pay for are.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Some of the most critical critical people.
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: And then there's other things that are ridiculous that and
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: it's the people who can manipulate the system and that
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: have got these big providers that we're seeing raughting it
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: and they're pushing people through with you.
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: You can access that service, right, I.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: Say, oh, do you know you can get to support
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: workers and so he goes, no, No, I only need But.
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: Honestly, can you tell me why they want them around
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: all the time? I would love to not have to
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: do therapy. I would love to not have psychology appointments
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: and other appointments that are quite frankly difficult, annoying and
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: time consuming and really quite emotionally taxing.
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: Yet these people seem to want it.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: It's just to me, bas Up, whenever you have money
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: coming from the government, people will always want more of it.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: And it's a challenge because then the risk is.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: The people that genuinely do need the support can't get
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: it because the money is being spent on other people
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: who don't need it. But another interesting thing we're also
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: seeing is children staying up on screens past midnight. Experts
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: have warned kids are saying glued to their phones and
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: watching video games, which is leading to huge increases in anxiety.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: These kids are then often refusing to attend school and
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: even experiencing increased suicidality. Many children have a compulsive need
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: to stay connected doom, scrolling on their phone for hours
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: when they should actually be sleeping, or.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Waking up to check their phone throughout the night.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: It's leading to disruptive sleep, poor academic performance, social isolation,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: and strained family relationships.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is no surprise. And then the problem
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: is once.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: The addiction starts, it just gets worse and worse because
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: then they're not doing well in school, so they're going
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: to withdraw. The behavior gets worse, it reinforces the negative cycle.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: But the question I have, especially in this screen time debate,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: is where are the parents in this. I mean, you've
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: seen the government try to come in and implement a
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: social media ban.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: I get that.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: I think social media should be regulated like alcohol and
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: drugs because it does the same thing to kids' brains.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, nothing will substitute the role
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: of the parent. How are these kids getting these screens
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: in their rooms as young as five years old?
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, look, as mother of three, I can
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: tell you screens play a very important role when you're
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: going through the supermarket or on a fly or trying
• 27:28
  Speaker 7: to get them on a long drive. There's very important
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: roles that you know.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: For all of those that say.
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: Watch something, yet, just go and have children and tell
• 27:37
  Speaker 7: me whether or not you let them.
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: Have a screen.
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: And sometimes screens for some kids, they use them, you know,
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: the homework. My Sammy aut watches YouTube, but he watches
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: lots of instructive shows on how to build. He likes
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: engineering and those sorts of things. So at sixteen he's
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: watching how to build bridges and all sorts of different things.
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: Usually also how to.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Blow them up.
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: But that's a whole different topic, not in the same
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: way we were just talking about at Glastonbury. But you know,
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: I do think I mean at five, certainly, them having
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: access to a phone, I think it's insane. I think
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: once they hit high school a lot of kids have
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: got a phone, or maybe later primary so they can
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: contact their parents. But I think it being left in
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: their bedroom overnight is probably non appropriate.
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: Way for them to be used.
• 28:19
  Speaker 7: I just it's frightening that kids are now getting more
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: screen time than they are parent engagement, and it's really hard.
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: And I'm not criticizing parents because it is really really
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: hard to break that nexcess. But the one thing with
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: the social media band with under sixteens. You know my
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: previous life, I have mental health and suicide prevention, and
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: talking to some of the youth mental health care providers,
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: the way that they reached most kids that were having
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: issues was via social media, so they were having to
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: think of yeah, they acknowledged the bad side of it,
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: but they were also thinking how they were going to
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: still be able to stay connected to them once the
• 28:58
  Speaker 7: band came in. So this is this is one of
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: those issues that's not as easy and simple as everyone
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: would like it.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, Joe, I want to ask you about
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: this because from this week, Union students studying courses like nursing,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: midwiffree and social work will be able to access a
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: placement as salary while they're on placement. It's very small,
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: to about eight dollars an hour, but it does seem
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: to solve some challenges, which is that often people studying
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: these degrees they have to spend weeks on placement.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: They can't sustain their normal job.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: If you're paying, if you're supporting yourself out of home,
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: that means you then have to drop out of the degree.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, the greens is still not happy with this. Naturally,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: there's a great idea it's not enough, But I don't know.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: I think this strikes the right balance.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: It really is.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: The genesis of this was getting more teachers in more
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: classroom experience. It's one of the big problems with teachers
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: is there's a huge burnout rights it's unbelievables, something like
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: I think fifty percent the first five or ten years
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: or whatever just say no, don't take this anymore.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I'm out of here.
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: And that results in a teaching shortage. That means that
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: the teachers that remain are under even more pressure that
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: the results in a.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: High burnout rate. Is is death spiral.
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: And one of the big problems that Jason Claire the
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: Education is identified is it when teachers were coming out
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: of their degrees, they had all the theory, they had
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: all the know how, they had all the class plans
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: in the world. What they didn't have was enough actual
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: classroom training how to handle a disruptive class, how to
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: make sure that kids are engaged, what to do if
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: they disrespect you, or what to do if they're not
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: getting something and you don't know how to make sure
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: that they're actually understanding or when they talk back, and
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: so they're not all these sorts of things. So all
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: the really old fashioned stuff, the direct instruction, but also
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: the discipline stuff. And this is basically a solution to that.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: And of course there are a whole bunch of other
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: vital professions that applies to as well. The teaching one
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: is the one that I'm all in on, so I
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: think it's absolutely fantastic. It sounds and yes, you know,
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: it'll never be enough money. That's not going to be
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: enough money to replace a job, but it could be
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: the difference between being able to afford to take time
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: off your job that you've got way of studying, or
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: to take time off whatever.
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: Some of the degrees that are excluded are things like
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: occupational therapists, physiotherapists, psychologists, and you know, like again, you
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: can't have everything, but this placement poverty is a real
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: thing if you're working, particularly if you go and work
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: in a rural and regional area. But your university is
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: located in a metropolitan area to be able to pay
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: for a second rental whilest doing that placement caused a
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: lot of problems and a lot of the gaps in
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: rural and regional areas. The service gaps could actually be
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: addressed by those final year students on their placements to
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: help out, and I just think that they're missing again
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: an opportunity to really plug some of those gaps in
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: the skills areas.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: That's a really good point.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: One other area where people are trying to plug gaps
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: in the workforce is the New South Wales Minerals Council
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: that is launching a new campaign to try and make
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: coal cool again.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: That's obviously not the name of the campaign, but essentially
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: you that's what they're trying to do.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: They try to change the image of coal among young women,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: so they're running pro coal ads before some of Australia's
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: most popular culture, gossip and relationship podcasts.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: They're hoping to inspire the next.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Generation of female miners by hiring by highlighting some of
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: their women on social media.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: This is an example of the kind of content they're
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: putting out. I work at the biggest gold and copper
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: mine in New South Wales. You might not believe it,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: but I used to die.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Massive mining trucks like these, and now I'm using all
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: of this tech to monitor and many of the exact
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: same trucks on site.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: That's pretty cool, Catulator, I love this. I would love
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: to make coal and mining cool again.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: It's great for common sense and with combat the climate
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: catastrophism that's driving gen Z towards the greens, and it
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: also is the engine room of our economy.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Coalon mining are critical. So Holleen, do you reckon? This
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: is a swing gen Z with.
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: I love this.
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: You know, get dirty, get a bit dusty, drive a
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: big truck all out of the brown.
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: Wow, you know what else could you want?
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: I mean, Tanya Constable, if this is one of your ideas,
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: that's fantastic.
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: I just love it.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Pretty pretty cool. What about you, Jo?
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: It's so good And the best part is that they're
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: you know, they're really reaching out through all the socials,
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: getting into those gen Z and millennials, especially through popular
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: sort of mummy blog websites like Mumma Minor.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: That's why I don't think they'll be hiring you.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: But that was a good effort. But one another group
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: that is also struggling with their image of the moment
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: is the.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Democrat Party in the US. They have a male problem.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: I know, shocking, right. They've just figured this out after
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: a massive swing against them at the last election. And
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: their solution to this is a twenty million dollars study
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: to learn how to talk to men. Yes, it is absurd,
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: and Americans think so too.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: OHT know why you have to spend money to study men.
• 34:00
  Speaker 8: I mean I don't get that, Like, just go ask people,
• 34:03
  Speaker 8: like what you're doing right now, ask me questions. I
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: think they're just going to flow short of money down
• 34:08
  Speaker 8: the toilets.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: It's stupid. There's money that can be spent elsewhere.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: I'm not on that.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: All the answers are already out there. I mean, just
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: listen to them, all the former level commentators that are in.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: The action Action.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: I have a few ideas for how to improve their
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: prospects with young men. Maybe stop constantly ridiculing them for
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: simply existing.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: That'll be twenty million dollars. Thanks. I mean that would
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: seem like the obvious solution.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: Joe, Yeah, it's almost worse than that in some ways,
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: Like the Democrats have just so low and it's particularly
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: working classmen as well. Probably won't surprise you to hear,
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: and the fact that they thought the solution to this.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: They're so completely.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: Divorced from working classmen that they have to sit down
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: and come up with some kind of study to find
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: out what they are interested in and how to communicate
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: with them and how to speak their language. I mean,
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: you read the language of this and it's anthropological. It
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: is like it's almost zoological. It's like they want to
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: trank them and take them back to a lab so
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: they can sort of probe them and see see what
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: they really think. And even the this was first revealed
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: in the New York Times and then Fox News picked
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: up on it and went bananas, and even the New
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: York Times said, this sounds pretty creepy. And when even
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: the New York Times is saying, you're elitist and out
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: of Dutch.
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: But does this mean they've actually defined what a woman
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: is so they can know they can go and define
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: what a man is now? I mean, if they now
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: answered the age old question that none of their politicians
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: have been able.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: To ask, that's the problem.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: They're obsessed with issues like that, they're obsessed with those
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: sort of ridiculous cultural identity politics.
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: I think all the men they had now identify as women,
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: so that might be slightly all.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: The men they have them now identify as Trump voters.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: And that is a practical point right there. That is it.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Well, coming up after the break, we're going to get
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: into the papers. Victorian politicians are getting a pay rise
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: and an IVF horror story. One woman discovered she may
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: have seven hundred and half siblings.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Welcome back.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: We're giving you tomorrow's papers today, starting with the Herald Sun.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: The headline is Polly's cash in just into Alan's paypacket
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: has topped half a million dollars for the first time
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Cement's worth it, clementing her place as the nation's highest
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: paid premiere. The generous boost has been delivered as part
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: of a three percent pay rise for Victorian MP's. The
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: premier's total annual package is now worth five hundred and
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: twelve thousand dollars, including an almost sixty five thousand dollars
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: expenses allowance.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: I must say, during the middle of a cost.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Of living crisis, we've had the worst decline in living
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: standards in the developed world, and you've got the worst
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: premiere in the country, just into Alan getting a pay
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: rise half a million dollars a year in excessive the.
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: Debt in Victoria, in the state of Victoria, and this
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: woman's getting more money. I mean, look, to be fair, though,
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: I wouldn't be surprised if Dan Andrews comes back and
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: ask for a bit of back pay now saying maybe
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: we didn't get an ass.
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: Well, to be fair, I mean, the Liberal Party just
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: gave John Pursuito a one point three million dollar.
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: Pay not from tax payers, not from taxpayers. So still weird, Charlie,
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: You're weird. We don't want to talk about that.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: We do not want to talk about that. It is amazing.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: You could just say it's a dear Victorian Liberals, here
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: is an election on a plate, and.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, no, but now you're trying to deflect from and.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no they are terrible. That's absolutely awful.
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: But anyway, speaking of pay risers, someone who's not terrible.
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: In fact, someone who I dare say is a friend
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: of the show, is the mayor of Townsville or is
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: he what is his name? Troy tom What a great No,
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: Troy Troy Thompson, the suspended mayor of Townsville who just
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: refuses to leave. I didn't know you could do this.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: He's kind of like, I mean Donald Trump, but Trump eventually.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: But anyway, so this is this is this story just
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: fascinates me, and every time I come on this show,
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: there's another story. There's a there's a picture of this
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: guy's face on the front page of the towns He
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: just will not go anyway. Anyway, Council's payday, every councilor
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: set for a pay rise. So every councilor in Townsville
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: on the Townsville City Council will get a pay rise,
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: including the suspended mayor who is serious on guarding leave
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: and he'sn't allowed to do his job while there's all
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: this sort of you know, concern, I'm not.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Sure why you should get a pay rise.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Well, you're literally suspended, literally, that would seem to be
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: very bizarre.
• 38:39
  Speaker 7: Look great work if you could get it, clearly running
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: for the mayor of Townsville' where you want to be.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well you have the advertiser for us. Hollywood's happening.
• 38:46
  Speaker 7: This is I find very very disturbing that a woman
• 38:49
  Speaker 7: now may have up to seven hundred half siblings.
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: Now it worries me for a couple of reasons. First
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: one is it's Adelaide.
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: It's not that big a place, and I think we
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: could run into some real problems there with who might
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: be related to who in the long run, and we
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: might have to do some checks. This lady is actually
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: calling for more transparency because it looks like the donor
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: was actually a man with schizophrenia who used a number
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: of different identities at donor clinics. Now, I mean this
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: is genetic issues that we're talking about that could be
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: passed on that people may or may not be aware of,
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: and people accepting these sorts of donations are not aware
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: of when they're accepting them. So there's a very serious
• 39:33
  Speaker 7: element to this. But I do hate to think the
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: Christmas shopping for that family, you know.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's very concerning that there are very few
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: checks around who actually can be in donor and there
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: definitely needs to be more scrutiny around that.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: In the Newcastle Herald, we're all in New.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: South Wales being warned about this cyclone bomber bomb. The
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: headline is danger on the Horizon. Cruz were scrambling yesterday
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: to prepare the Hunter for a potentially dangerous storm amid
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: predictions of strong win, flash flooding and damaging surf in
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: New South Wales State Emergency Service had pre deployed teams
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: in the Hunter ahead of the front, which was expected
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: to hit the state overnight and could last into Thursday. Now,
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: I don't want to down play any sort of terrible
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: weather events, and you know we have seen terrible flooding,
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: but the cyclone bomb retric it.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Does seem to all be a little bit catastrophic.
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: Well, actually, I hate to rain on your parade as
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: it were, Freyer, but the Bureau of Meteorology has actually
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: asked if instead of referring it referring to it as
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: a cyclone bomb, we could refer to it as cyclone Bureau.
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: Do you remember when they did that last time there
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: was a giant Oh no, oh my god, I knew
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: that jo would be too.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: That joke just fell.
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: Really so the last time there was this giant, massive
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: storm on the horizon that was going to just rip
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: the Jesus through everything and this apocalypse armaged and everything,
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: of Meteorology put out a statement that said, could you
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: please stop referring to the Bureau of Meteorology as the bomb.
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: We'd rather you refer to us as the Bureau.
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: They spend like two hundred thousand on a rebranding, I mean,
• 41:13
  Speaker 7: another really good use of taxes catastrophics.
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: They can't figure.
• 41:18
  Speaker 7: Out what's actually happening with the weather, but they can
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: spend all of that money or a rebrand to go
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: from the bomb to the Bureau.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: So, now that I've explained the minutia and the history
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: behind that joke, I hope you.
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: All so much better.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: When they have to, I'll find the best line.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Well, do everyone in New South Wales stay safe.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: We obviously don't know what this weather event will really
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: look like, and that's kind of why it's so dangerous,
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: because it forms so quickly, hence why it's called a bomb.
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: But Will was up on the roof this afternoon with
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: my tarp and my cleaning your gutters, cleaning my gutters.
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: Very good, most manly. I've felt well since I got married,
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: quite frankly. Now, and to the odds, and here's an
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: interesting little one games private funding to save taxpayer dollars,
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: a bit of an Ozzi initiative here. The Queensland government
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: is moving to privatize infrastructure development for the two hundred
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: two thousand and thirty two Brisbane Olympics, including the three
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: point seven billion dollar plus main stadium that has been
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: deviled the games planning to date. The shift was quietly
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: signaled on Monday when State Treasurer David Jenetski announced, without fanfare,
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: not with fanfare, but without fanfare, the creation of a
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: dedicated union in his department to lock him infrastructure investment
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: from the private sector. So the government building all those venues,
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: they're just going to get the cribe. What didn't someone
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: think of this earlier?
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: It seems like a great idea to me.
• 42:43
  Speaker 7: You know, Look, I don't agree with the Prime Minister
• 42:45
  Speaker 7: very often, but I have to say when he made
• 42:47
  Speaker 7: the call that it shouldn't be the Brisbane Olympics, shouldn't
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: even be the Queensland Olympics, it should be the Australian Olympics,
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: I've actually never agreed with him before.
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: I think he looked at the sailing on Sydney Harbor.
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: We have the iconic Opera House and Harbor Bridge in
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: the background. It would solve all the accommodation issues that
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: Brisbane doesn't have. The accommodation facilities at the moment where
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: people will.
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: Stay when they come to the Olympics.
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: They could move the events around the country and really
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: have an Australia Olympics. And I personally think that's the
• 43:17
  Speaker 7: way we should go. And you know, Brisbane, love you,
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: but there's not really many iconic skylines in Brisbane. No
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: one's going to look at an event and go, jeez,
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: that looks like no. I hang on except for blue Eye,
• 43:28
  Speaker 7: my mistake, I Bluey people might I do understand.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: Where you're going with that, And it's pretty hard to
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: say that Brisbane is a global city.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: But then the other problem is ship people have.
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: To help people that.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: You're not a real city.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: That was not Pearson's take, and he was spot on.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: But then the problem is if you have the game
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: spread out, we're such a big country, you'd have to
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: fly between events. So you just have specific sports, you know,
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: and I don't have to have something in some practical issues.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: But let's hear about this, can brief fine?
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: Glad you asked a good bit of good news story
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: to end on scientists in historic cancer breakthrough exclusive by
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: Natasha Robinson, an old friend of mine, The Cellular that's
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: not actually got on the show. By the way, there's
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: no favoritism, no nepotism. This is pure impartial AB you're
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: in the same union ABC level impartiality.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: I'm applying here to my news judgment. But the Cellular Keys.
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: I thought that was the name of a rock and
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: roll band to cancer. They're probably playing at Coachella. The
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: cellular keys to cancer survival and treatment resistance have been
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: unlocked by Australian scientists in a world first study that
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: map thousands of proteins and gene messages from single tissue slides.
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: I don't know what any of that means, scientists from
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: the Wesley Research Institute of Queensland's Spatial Biology Center.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: It's not getting better.
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: Use three dimensional tissue mapping technology to identify specific immune
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: cells linked to cancer patients living longer with their in remission.
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: Well that sounds good. So they're starting why people are
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: living longer with cancer? And I get all that, I
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: bottle it and then I spread it out to everyone else.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: That's how it does science.
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: Excellent, well done, science, Well done, Joe, Thank you sounds
• 45:11
  Speaker 7: all those big words for you. Thankes for it.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Well done, Joe sounds very exciting after the break wrapper
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: fifty cent response to New York City Mayor Hopeful's.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Trump proof tax plan.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Welcome back the Democrat nominee for the Mayor of New York,
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: Zoran Mumdani has a lot of crazy socials plans. One
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: of them is to tax the rich more, and he
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: specifically name dropped rapper.
• 45:40
  Speaker 8: Fifty cent, taxing the top one percent of New Yorkers.
• 45:44
  Speaker 8: We're talking about people who make a million dollars a
• 45:45
  Speaker 8: year more, taxing them just by flat two percent tax increase.
• 45:49
  Speaker 8: And I know I fifty cent is listening. He's not
• 45:50
  Speaker 8: going to be happy about this intense and I like
• 45:52
  Speaker 8: this tax policy, but I want to be very clear.
• 45:54
  Speaker 8: This is about twenty thousand dollars a year. It's a
• 45:56
  Speaker 8: rounding era.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: I don't know why he mentioned fifty but fifty cent.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: The actual rapper was not happy about this at all,
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: and he posted saying where did he come from?
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Whose friend is this? And that he would be happy to.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Give him two hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars and
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: a first class one way ticket.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Away from New York.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of New Yorkers are feeling this
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: way about Zoran Mumdani. But I do have a theory,
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: guys that the reason Zoran specifically went after fifty cent
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: is because, as we've covered on this show before, mum
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: Dani is actually a failed rapper himself.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: He has attempted to release some rap songs in.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: The past and quickly quickly gave up because they were
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: truly excruciating.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: So I think it might all just be a little
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: bit of jealousy.
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think maybe he might have confused fifty cents
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: actual net worth with fifty cents actual name. I think
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: I don't know in which in which universe, twenty thousand
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: dollars is a rounding area.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure how.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, socialists think the rest of the world of sort of,
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: you know, like business and capitalism and money and people
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: doing work and exchange.
• 47:06
  Speaker 7: It's a lovely magic pudding that just money just comes
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: out of and everything's free.
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: That's how these people think it works.
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: And those terrible capitalists, you know, we have to take
• 47:17
  Speaker 7: everything from them.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: And this is what I don't want to hear with
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: the boring stick, but this is exactly what the Greens
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: did with their great big super tax on everything. I
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: will just pay for all this stuff, we'll we buy
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: taxing more billionaires. Billionaires don't want to be taxed, and
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: they're billionaires for a reason. So if you tax them
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: more than they think is fair, then they will leave
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: the country. They will rearrange their affairs.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: So that they pay lesson well, especially in the US
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: where you actually have competitive taxation. I'll just go to
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Florida or Texas, as any sensible person works.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Everyone from New York ends up going to Florida anyway.
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: So palmbate property prices are on the move.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: That's exactly right. Now.
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: Another thing that's on the move is airline passengers, and
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: they are trying to find the safest seat on the plane. Now,
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: you remember there was that incredible Air India flight which
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: is absolutely just horrible. Everyone on board died after it
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: crash shortly after takeoff, except one person, guy called Ramesh,
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: who just walked from the wreckage with basically a few
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: scratches and otherwise unscathed. And he was in seat eleven
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: A and so eleven A. Could this be the magical seat?
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: Is this actually the most the most safe seat on
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: the airline on the airline, itinery.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: No, it's not, No, it's not.
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: The easy Jet, which charges an extra for seat selections,
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: SET had not seen any uptick in demand for emergency
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: exit rows, and seat eleven A is not an exit
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: row in any of its cabin configurations. It's a standard
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: seat that costs the same as a whole bunch of
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: other seats. So no, it's all rubbish. I think if
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: you're sitting up the back of the plane, that's probably
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: let's look at it.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well there we I mean I thought, yeah,
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: I did think the exit rod though, because theoretically in
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: a crash you could get out faster.
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: Well, apparently Emirates in their big plane, sixteen k's the
• 49:06
  Speaker 7: way to go. I had a flight attendant tell me
• 49:08
  Speaker 7: that that that's the best seat to sit on sixteen
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: K because you get the leg room close to the bulkhead.
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: What about if you're the toilet, what if you just
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: sort of barricaded yourself in the toilet.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Well that's it from the late debate. Up next is
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: The Rita Panicky Show with Caroline Marcus