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Let's Talk with Carl Lee - High School Coaching Crisis, NIL Fallout, and When Fans Cross the Line · WCHS Network Podcasts

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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta work. You gotta work, cry Shine. It's
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  Speaker 1: mine gotta show. Everybody is my time. Can't you gotta work?
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  Speaker 1: Cry Shine?
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  Speaker 2: Another mind from Saga Dogs.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to Let's Talk with Carl Lee and frequent guest
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  Speaker 3: hosts Hollis Lewis and Lisa Odie, where sports culture and
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  Speaker 3: community intersect. Join the crew as they dive into engaging
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  Speaker 3: conversations with guests from all walks of the sports life.
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  Speaker 3: Let's Talk as proudly presented by Attorney Frank Walker. Real talk,
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  Speaker 3: real experience, real results. Let the conversation begin on Let's Talk.
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  Speaker 4: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, This is Carl Lee with Let's Talk,
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  Speaker 4: and I have both of my co hosts in the building,
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  Speaker 4: Hollis Lewis and Lisa Odie.
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  Speaker 2: How are you too doing today?
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  Speaker 5: Ready for Santa? We're on the countdown now, aren't we.
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  Speaker 2: Actually I don't even have my I don't have my
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  Speaker 2: tree up yet.
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  Speaker 6: You shouldn't even bother now, I mean, yeah, just just
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  Speaker 6: don't even worry about it till next year.
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  Speaker 4: All that we have is all we have is the
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  Speaker 4: is the grandchild that we're getting anything for. And you know, so,
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  Speaker 4: actually I'm I'm I'm going to assume because I'm not
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  Speaker 4: putting it up.
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  Speaker 2: Well, so Donna's putting it up. So when you going
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  Speaker 2: to your son's house, I'm going to end up going
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  Speaker 2: to my son's house. I'm also just.
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  Speaker 5: Leaving the building.
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  Speaker 4: Well see we we actually got a small tree now,
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  Speaker 4: so it's one of those that you can just pick
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  Speaker 4: it up, sit it away and it's all good. Well see,
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  Speaker 4: I don't, but but I love Christmas and I love
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  Speaker 4: all of the things that go around it.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 5: It's just so you don't it enough to put a
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  Speaker 5: tree up.
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  Speaker 2: That's not my job.
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  Speaker 5: Though he went there.
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  Speaker 2: I did go there. That's that's job. She's she slipped.
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  Speaker 5: It, Donna. I hope you hear all of this.
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  Speaker 4: Hopefully she's not gonna catch this show, all right. So man,
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  Speaker 4: we got some crazy some some some crazy stuff.
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  Speaker 6: That's that's crazy, all right.
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  Speaker 2: So I will stay local here. Right right from the.
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  Speaker 4: Start, we've got a coach mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: South Charleston Capital, I mean capital. I'm sorry that is leaving.
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  Speaker 5: Second time?
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  Speaker 2: Right, second time? Correct? Right? Right? That's the fact. Wow,
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  Speaker 2: why why come back if you're going to leave again?
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, is there any has there been any conversation
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  Speaker 4: about like why not yet, just that he's that he
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  Speaker 4: that he's leaving. Yeah, I mean I haven't heard anything directly,
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  Speaker 4: only the coach carp Yeah, coach cart John Carpenter. What
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  Speaker 4: I can assume, it's just like, you know, just the
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  Speaker 4: nature of coaching has just changed, man, just with the
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  Speaker 4: the mobility that players now have to go from school
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  Speaker 4: to school, you're not in a situation where you can
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  Speaker 4: collect talent like you once did, and your job as
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  Speaker 4: a head coach is now just a little different because
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  Speaker 4: you're not only do you have to quote unquote recruit
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  Speaker 4: you know, players from the lower levels coming into the program,
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  Speaker 4: but you need to recruit your locker room. So I
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  Speaker 4: think the nature of you just going in coaching discipline,
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  Speaker 4: those sort of things that we grew up on that
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  Speaker 4: a coach was, it's not necessarily that anymore. From the
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  Speaker 4: head coaching standpoint, your job is just markedly different. So
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  Speaker 4: now you're almost just like a figurehead your recruiter, but
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  Speaker 4: you still have to manage the program. So again, if
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  Speaker 4: you didn't step into that, that's not what you signed
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  Speaker 4: up for. I could see while it's not for you,
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  Speaker 4: although you still may have the love for the occupation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And also, I mean, let's just face it, the compensation
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  Speaker 6: is just it's not there, and it's a lot of
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  Speaker 6: work for a little bit of money.
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  Speaker 5: You really have to love what you do.
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  Speaker 6: There's just so many other things that you could do
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  Speaker 6: with your time unless you you know, you get so
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  Speaker 6: deep into this, and I think you alluded to this earlier,
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  Speaker 6: hollis about the middle schools. You can't depend on your
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  Speaker 6: player coming from your feeder schools because they can choose
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  Speaker 6: any high school they want to go to. So you
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  Speaker 6: don't know what you're gonna get from year to year,
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  Speaker 6: and that makes it even more challenging. But seriously, if
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  Speaker 6: they're going to put more and more on these head
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  Speaker 6: coaches at the high school level, they need to consider
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  Speaker 6: more compensation for what they do for their time one
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  Speaker 6: hundred percent.
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  Speaker 4: And to put it specifically, when you talk about that compensation,
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  Speaker 4: it's forty five hundred dollars yeah. Year. And what people
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  Speaker 4: don't understand, not just for football, for any of these
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  Speaker 4: coaches out here, you're not only coaching in the season.
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  Speaker 2: So in the season you may.
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  Speaker 4: Spend, in addition to your day job and coaching, you
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  Speaker 4: may be working you know, one hundred hours.
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  Speaker 5: That way, Oh sure, right, every dead up.
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  Speaker 4: And then you're working in the off season with quote
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  Speaker 4: unquote recruitment. I'm not sam recruitment, but quote unquote recruitment.
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  Speaker 4: And you still have to have an off season program.
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  Speaker 4: You still have the flex weeks during the summer, so
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  Speaker 4: you're spending a new more amount of time doing that,
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  Speaker 4: trying to be good, trying to coach kids, trying to
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  Speaker 4: be a mentor. And the compensation, like you said, this
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  Speaker 4: just doesn't add up. I mean because and and I'll
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  Speaker 4: let you go, but even capitalists form a basketball coach.
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  Speaker 2: Matt Green.
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  Speaker 4: One of the reasons I and again it's just my
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  Speaker 4: conjecture he went to a different occupation because again he's
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  Speaker 4: spending all that time doing this, and you're just not
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  Speaker 4: being compensated to somewhere as adequate. And I can I
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  Speaker 4: can speak for me, and I'm gonna and I think
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  Speaker 4: this will fit a lot of coaches when you hear
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  Speaker 4: the amount of what what you're getting paid, I think
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  Speaker 4: in your in your thoughts, Okay, I'm not worried about that.
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  Speaker 4: That's that's not necessarily the issue. I really want to
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  Speaker 4: make sure I can I can bring this team along.
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  Speaker 4: I can, I can work with these kids. I can
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  Speaker 4: do these kinds of things. And I hate to say this,
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  Speaker 4: but some of the problem you can be created by
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  Speaker 4: the parent of a good of a kid who's a
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  Speaker 4: talented kid because of the actual reality of playing at
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  Speaker 4: a team that's winning. Everybody wants to play at a
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  Speaker 4: team that's winning. But at some point in time, you
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  Speaker 4: gotta play. I mean, you're gonna you gotta play where
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  Speaker 4: you are and accept that reality because it is again
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  Speaker 4: the life lessons that you get in sports.
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  Speaker 2: That's just not the reality.
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  Speaker 4: I know, I understand what you're saying, but we can't
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  Speaker 4: keep saying that because it's just not But but I cannot.
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  Speaker 4: For me, okay, for me, I can't look at it to.
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  Speaker 2: Be just about the money, just about winning. I can't.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, And but parents would argue and say, well,
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  Speaker 4: it's not about that, it's about opportunity, it's about fairness.
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  Speaker 4: They're gonna come up with any thing that would justify
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  Speaker 4: doing whatever they want to do. So I don't make
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  Speaker 4: it right. I ain't saying to make it right, but
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying they can come up. They can counter your
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  Speaker 4: argument with a number of different ways. So I'm saying
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  Speaker 4: from a coaching standpoint, if I because again we gotta
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  Speaker 4: parents have always kind of been an issue, and then
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  Speaker 4: in the background that's not that's been since the beginning
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  Speaker 4: of high school sports, but since we made it an
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  Speaker 4: important thing, there's always been a parent, a loudmouth da
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  Speaker 4: da da da da. Now the problem is not only
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  Speaker 4: I do it. I gotta deal with the parent, but
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  Speaker 4: I also got to deal with the reality that if
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  Speaker 4: I don't appease this parent and this kid, now, my
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  Speaker 4: talent's gonna walk out the door. And you to your point,
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  Speaker 4: if you have that talented kid, not only is he
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  Speaker 4: gonna walk out the door, he probably gonna take two
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  Speaker 4: or three of his buddies with h So now I
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  Speaker 4: may lose the talented kid, I may lose depth. So
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  Speaker 4: it's like, and to Lisa's point, if I'm not being
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  Speaker 4: compensated adequately, what is the point of me doing this?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and here's another point to go with the commons.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of the coaches we know this.
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  Speaker 6: I mean some are retired people, but also a lot
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  Speaker 6: of them are are their day job is teaching and
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  Speaker 6: so that that is their income for their their family
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  Speaker 6: to be able to pay the bills, and and a
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  Speaker 6: lot of teachers, a lot of male teachers, I'm female.
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  Speaker 6: Two take second jobs just to be able to make
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  Speaker 6: it from day to day to pay their bills, take
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  Speaker 6: care of their families. And if they're having to spend
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  Speaker 6: all their time after work doing a job that they're
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  Speaker 6: not compensated for, I mean that that that's a big sacrifice.
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  Speaker 2: And then you got to deal with everything and deal.
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  Speaker 5: With everything else.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, and for me, I just don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't see.
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  Speaker 4: I don't see free money, whether it be high school
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  Speaker 4: or college, to be paid out to athletes.
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  Speaker 2: Now what I will say, I will I would agree to.
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  Speaker 4: A systematical structure of let's say Hollis is the best
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  Speaker 4: player on my team and there are two other quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 4: If you're a quarterback, you're the starter, you get just
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  Speaker 4: as a hypothetical, you get ten dollars.
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  Speaker 2: The other ones, the other two get five.
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  Speaker 4: To me, it should be it's not like Hollis can
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  Speaker 4: come in negotiate with me like he is a pro athlete.
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  Speaker 5: Like, I just don't that's reality.
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  Speaker 2: Now I do, I realize it's reality. I'm just I'm
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  Speaker 2: just saying I'm.
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  Speaker 4: The dude who's who who doesn't like it? And I'm
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  Speaker 4: pushing a rock uphill. I believe that.
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  Speaker 2: I believe that, and I know no one's going to
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  Speaker 2: really listen to me.
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  Speaker 4: But even if they agree, we I understand that we
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  Speaker 4: don't have a chance of getting that kind of a structure.
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  Speaker 4: But sooner or later, the state of West Virginia is
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  Speaker 4: not going to pay to pay these players the money
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  Speaker 4: they're going to be.
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  Speaker 2: We're not talking about pay pay.
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  Speaker 4: Players aren't necessarily getting paid to a to a large
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  Speaker 4: clip now. And if they are getting paid, this from
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  Speaker 4: outside sources, not a state thing. The problem is is
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  Speaker 4: that if I'm a coach and I gotta deal with
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  Speaker 4: all this, I need to be getting paid. We need
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  Speaker 4: to pay the coaches more. I'm getting the money.
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  Speaker 5: I'm making a full time job. I mean I don't
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  Speaker 5: even have to teach.
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  Speaker 6: I mean that that is a full time position in
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  Speaker 6: whatever county district.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Work a problem with that, though.
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  Speaker 4: The problem with it, I know where you're say it's
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  Speaker 4: going to come into Title nine issues because now it's
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  Speaker 4: going to be a specifically women's sports coaches who are
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  Speaker 4: gonna say, well, I need to be full time and
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  Speaker 4: we know that state can't afford to pay all the
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  Speaker 4: coaches full time. So my proposal is that you pick
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  Speaker 4: out two coaches, so one coach from one sport and
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  Speaker 4: one coach from the other sport. You make those coaches
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  Speaker 4: full time employees. So you know, maybe in a perfect world,
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  Speaker 4: be a coach from a god sport, coach from a
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  Speaker 4: women's sport, right.
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  Speaker 2: Each school, at each school. Okay, and hold up here,
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  Speaker 2: here's what it be though.
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  Speaker 4: You would your your your primary job would be to coach,
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  Speaker 4: would be to raise money, work alongside the a D.
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  Speaker 4: And then in addition, you would be responsible for substitute duties.
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  Speaker 4: So now that school, if a teacher's out, they don't
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  Speaker 4: have to call another substitute. You would already have two
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  Speaker 4: in the building, so you would handle substitute duties when
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  Speaker 4: you could disciplinary issues, coaching and helping the a D.
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  Speaker 4: That that would be my proposal, and you would.
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  Speaker 5: Just have high school. Would they would sub every day? Yes,
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  Speaker 5: I'm telling you I mean, and that would take away
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  Speaker 5: from their time to do their job.
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  Speaker 4: Though, right, what I'm saying and what makes what I
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  Speaker 4: say you you can't just be like because you're not
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  Speaker 4: gonna like coach football for eight hours in a day
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  Speaker 4: and then coach in the evening. So there's gonna be
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  Speaker 4: sometimes I'm not saying you coach, excuse me, sub every day,
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  Speaker 4: but that would just be part of it.
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  Speaker 5: They can't find.
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  Speaker 4: What if you can't sell, what if you've not ever
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  Speaker 4: been a teacher, you've just been You have to get
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  Speaker 4: all those licenses and everything. Anybody can sub. You can
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  Speaker 4: sub right now a long as you go take the
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  Speaker 4: class sign up. Anybody can sub, as long as you
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  Speaker 4: don't have a criminal record. But what I'm saying is
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  Speaker 4: I think that's a way to justify that because we
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  Speaker 4: can't because in the state of West Virginia, you can't
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  Speaker 4: just say, Okay, here's a football coach, We're gonna pay
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  Speaker 4: you sixty seven thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 2: That's not a reality of where we're at now, we're
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  Speaker 2: not Texas.
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  Speaker 4: But but can we get to like an actual pay,
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  Speaker 4: like something that's an actual adult who gets paid a year.
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  Speaker 4: But again, your problem is is not not necessarily that's
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  Speaker 4: we probably can, but you can't afford to pay every
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  Speaker 4: coach because now every coach from every sport would wanted
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  Speaker 4: some conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, and I understand that, but.
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  Speaker 4: If if you rank football as your biggest money maker.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I think you can.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so football, basketball, so that's girls and boys, basketball, track, baseball,
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  Speaker 4: whatever that is.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody has a structure.
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  Speaker 4: Because football is going to bring in more money for
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  Speaker 4: most schools anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can't.
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  Speaker 4: But the thing is football is always going to be
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  Speaker 4: that I understand.
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  Speaker 6: So let me ask you, guys, this why you go
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  Speaker 6: down this rabbit hole. If if the boosters, let's say
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  Speaker 6: you're at a specific high school and the boosters raise
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  Speaker 6: money and concession stands and car washes, can they compensate
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  Speaker 6: the coach in addition to what they're being paid by
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  Speaker 6: the county?
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  Speaker 5: Is that legal?
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  Speaker 2: That's a good question. And I do not have the
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  Speaker 2: answer to that.
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  Speaker 5: Isn't want to solve.
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  Speaker 2: Like so again, you have an.
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  Speaker 4: Inner city school, poor community or rural community first an
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  Speaker 4: affluent community, then that creates an unfair advantage.
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  Speaker 5: That's true, But it happens at the collegiate level.
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  Speaker 4: That's not you're talking about college. I mean, high school
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  Speaker 4: is a little different, so our rules is different in college.
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  Speaker 4: And I think, but here's the thing to every every
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  Speaker 4: point or every effort that we that we put out,
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  Speaker 4: we still have these restrictions or these situations that are
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: you can't really do that, and you know and and
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: so you have all this you can't do this, but
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: you but but you need to fix But I think
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  Speaker 4: you just have to make it equitable. That's why I
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  Speaker 4: would say, essentially, you just pick a men's and a
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  Speaker 4: women's sports coach and make them full time employees and
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  Speaker 4: they would have other duties in addition to their coaching duties.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't think it can be I should.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know where they would get the funding for that,
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  Speaker 6: first of all, counting.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, if you think about what they pay a
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  Speaker 4: substitute every day, or you think about what that make.
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  Speaker 4: In addition, one of y'all got to be the a
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  Speaker 4: D cut the AD position out. So I'm just saying,
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  Speaker 4: it's like, I think there is a fix. We got
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  Speaker 4: to be creative. But to your point, but and again,
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  Speaker 4: that's not even a fair fix, because other coaches will say, well,
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  Speaker 4: that's not fair because again football coaches. Football coach generally
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  Speaker 4: is always going to get their job unless you don't
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  Speaker 4: have a football team. And if you're the baseball team
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  Speaker 4: or the track team, and you have a historically good team,
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  Speaker 4: you can say, well I deserve that, not them, because
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  Speaker 4: my team is we're always winning championships. Cause you know,
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  Speaker 4: like I know, even if you got a quote unquote
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  Speaker 4: not very good football team, generally they're gonna make more
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  Speaker 4: money than if you have an all world track team,
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  Speaker 4: right because football is generally from the college level down,
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  Speaker 4: is the sport that makes money. Everybody else generally loses money.
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  Speaker 4: Besides women's basketball and men's basketball.
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  Speaker 6: I think just to start is just a double. Maybe
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  Speaker 6: they're stipend, maybe that's maybe that's I mean, just to
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  Speaker 6: start and then you know, I think what you're saying
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  Speaker 6: is is is a great proposal. But that's the funding
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  Speaker 6: in public schools right now is you know every year
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  Speaker 6: it goes down with we know where it.
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  Speaker 2: Can come from. But we're gonna get political.
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  Speaker 5: Right right, right, right, right right right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But but all we with with all of that and
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: you all secrets, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Not to talk about.
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  Speaker 5: Well you just don't go there.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm not even going to push that. But what
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  Speaker 4: I'll say is for me, I'm looking I'm looking at
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  Speaker 4: trying to get the best for the for the kids
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  Speaker 4: that are playing.
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  Speaker 2: They need, they need a coach card.
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  Speaker 4: You know they need a coach that's going to be
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  Speaker 4: out there, that's going to be.
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  Speaker 2: Back the experience, want.
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  Speaker 4: The best from them, not just football, but academically and
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  Speaker 4: all of the whole thing. We're getting to a point
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  Speaker 4: where are we just going to like just give anybody
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  Speaker 4: that four thousand dollars and say, hey, go with I
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  Speaker 4: think the young man who got who I think who
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: we think got the position Terran rush I think he's
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: going to be able to do a phenomenal job. He's
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: integrated hisself into the community, he relates to the young man.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: So he'll do it. He'll do a fabulous job.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: But even even to that point, Hell, the parents they
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: know everything, so let them deal with you know everything.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: So you got it. We don't need coaches no more.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: We got parents, and yeah we're all good.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: See to your point knocking for language.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: To your to your point, you've got you can't say
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: as a parent, when you get a new coach, you're
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: happy for a day and a half, and then as
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: soon as the very first practice, the very first game
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: shows up and you lose or or you don't have
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: that many kids on the team, how do you turn
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: around and say that's the coach's issue.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you know what I'm saying.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: I feel like, I just feel like, if you're going
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: to be a parent and you've got a kid that's
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: playing on a team that is not successful and not
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: successful because coach, because coaches, coaches come and coaches go,
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: and the record still says the same, that's because of
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: the kids. That's not you know, that's I disagree with that.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: I disagree with that.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Coach. It makes a difference. I believe it makes a difference.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: But coach makes a huge I agree with you. But okay,
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: but you've got to have players to play.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: But I think even if we seem like an example
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: of Steve Edwards and GW you got one feet of schools,
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: he's done it for almost thirty years and while he
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: hasn't won a state championship, he's been to multiple state
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: championships and been a consistent playoff team since two thousand.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: Coaching is what makes it. I am not taking anything
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: from him, but you have a you have a community
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: that is a solid community that that kids are coming.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: He had that community.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: That community was there from nineteen eighty five to nineteen
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: ninety nine, and they was losing all that time.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to take.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: But he's going he's going to he's going to come in,
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: he's going to change the structure. He's gonna he has
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: probably a thousand, a thousand times better I of what
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: this team can do then probably any coach anywhere else.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: That's all catch that's coloot.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: But but he's going to get his community to show up.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: He's going to get that.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: Community to shah.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: It's coaching. Coach makes the difference.
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: He's also going to bring in the players from other
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: areas parts of the county just for the fact that
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: the educational opportunity that those students are given there to
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: compared to some other high schools.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's part of the package.
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's that's a great you know, one of
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: the blue ribbon schools of the state.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: And I can't and and and but I got to
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: fight with him first. Here's here's here's my here's my
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: concern with that when you say that Capital Charleston High
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: has been an area of.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Success in in sports.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: Coach after coach after coach after coach after coach. Now
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden, because of the structure that's in
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: sports you can take that coach whoever he is, and
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: he can't hold on to kids because whether they don't
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: like it, they don't like the screaming, they don't like
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: the running, they don't.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Like any of that kind of stuff, and they're gonna
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: go somewhere else.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: That's how you end up falling to the bottom and
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: not having it.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: And where do I want to go?
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: You got I'm I'm gonna go to I'm gonna go
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: to to to to coach at which.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: And I'm not taking from his great day.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: You have to have a coach who can adjust to
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: the times. Just like prior to coach Edwards, that's that
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: was a football was not even looked at it. It
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: was all basketball and we were a sideshow far as
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: the football team. But just you articulated, he got into
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: the community, he made it work and the rest is history.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: So if you're looking at like a Capitol coach, which
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: I think Aran will do a good job, it's your
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: job to get into the community, figure out what's broken,
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: try to fix it. And you got to start at
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: the community level. Bring that to the practice field and
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: then you'll be off. So again it's about coaching. Now
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: you again.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Player you have to have talent, that's part. We all
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: know that.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: But to your point, if you want to keep those players,
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: if you want to bring in other players for different communities,
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: that takes the centerpiece of the coach to put all
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: that together and and be that that peg to to
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: hold that community up for whatever face it is is.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: It's about coaching.
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: And the coach also has to understand that this is
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: a this is a new age athlete. This this athlete
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: is not only You're not only competing for them on
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: the field, You're competing with social media. You're competing with uh,
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: you know at the collegiate level in IL.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: I mean, they're aware of everything. It's not like whenever.
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: These high school kids twenty years ago didn't have access
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: to all this.
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: So whoever comes in and.
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: Coaches these students, they they have to understand this is
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: a whole different world and they have to they have
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: to adapt to it.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: That's why I think Taran is gonna be perfect for this.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: He's young, right, yeah.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And speaking of new age, we got a we
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: had a boxing there. Yeah, oh so Jake Paul. He
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: took on Joshua Anthony, former heavyweight champ. We also had
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: some good undercards. You had Anderson the Spider Silver ucf
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: ucf UFC Legend. You had Alicia the bomb Bumgardner, she
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: defended her title in the decision, and my man Jake
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: Paul finally, I think he finally had a quote unquote
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: real boxing match. And he took one to the jar
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: and it got and it got broke.
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: In more than one place. Actually, Yeah, Like.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: If there's a sport that I'm not going to just
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: jump in and.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: And assume that.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, that's you can't experiment in the boxing
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: and get in the ring now and and again, Hollis,
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: I think we were talking a little bit before the show.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: I think the fights that he has had before, Paul,
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: I don't know if they were like quote real, I
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: think like I think it was just it almost seemed
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: like the boxing was looking for a new star and
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: and they and they wanted to maybe start with him
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: coming up through the ranks. But if you're not a
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: boxer and you want to jump into a ring with
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: a boxer.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: Ye.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: You you're you're in.
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: You're in trouble, and you're gonna be on a liquid
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: die a little bit like and.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: And this fight was that understanding of Okay, maybe I'm
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: not a boxer. Yeah, and again he's quote unquote had
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: fights or exhibitions with like Floyd Madwether, Mike Tyson, a
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: couple of UFC guys. But I, like you said, I
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: think this was the real deal.
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: I think Anthony probably just you know, he wanted to
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: give the crowd something that I think he knocked him
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: out in the fourth round. But overall, like I said,
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, it's that old adage like all
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: publicity's good publicity, which.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's true. I don't. I don't think,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: Especially if you're a boxing purist like we said in
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: the in the in there, I mean, nobody wants to
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: if you're really a real boxing fan like you say
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: you are, girl, you don't want a gimmicky fight like no,
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: that takes away from it.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: I don't want to.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: I don't want to hear about Jake Paul's life over here.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: I want to hear about how many fights has he had,
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: who did he beat?
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Legitimate fights? I want to I want to see that.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: And he's fighting just the most notable people for the
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: most money.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: That is not even.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: Do you know how much. It was like three million, and.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: I think that's probably you can break.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: And I think that is Christmas and I think that's
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: the silver lining, right. The silver lining is that maybe
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: you know, Paul turns into a promoter because he did
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: bring boxing to Netflix. Ain't gonna say he brought it
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: to Netflix, but he made a prominent on Netflix where
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: they're a major player. So hopefully we can get some
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: legitimate fights, because I think to the sport, it does
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: do damage to the sport when you have your top
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: ranked athletes going against these hoky you know, exhibition fights,
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: because I wanted to see like Anthony and Tyson Furial,
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: Anthony and Deontay Water, Tank Davis or you know some
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: of the legitimate guys.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: You know, how did and so help me with this?
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: How did those names get jumped over ignored? And you
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: get Jake Paul in there. I mean, because he's a draw.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: He's the money guy. You're not making that ninety whatever.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: Million, Yeah, those other guys.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: So it's it's about money because the other part of that,
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: if I'm going to get hitting the head for a living,
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: I want to make the most money possible. So it's
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: like if I got to fight this hoky exhibition, then
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: I'll just do that to you know.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Cash out.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: Do you think he's done, Paul, I think the legitimate,
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: I think the novelty of its worn off. I hope
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: what can happen though, because here's a good thing about
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: what he what he does in all seriousness, now we
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: know that between him and the other fights, but he
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: has a bunch of undercars that are legitimate, right, so
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: we got to see and this and the Spider Silver,
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: we got to see Alicia Bumgardner. We got to see
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: those legitimate fights make real brain on prime time TV.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: So I think that's what he does great. So hopefully
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: he can he can flip this into you know, being
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: a promoter and being and actually bringing boxing back.
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: To to where it's going to be this kind of box.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying. I hope it's not.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: And I think boxing has got to do something about
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: Number one, it's timing, and we don't want to sit
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: necessarily and watch like five hours of undercards, you know
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying, kind of like give us three three
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: quality bouts. Pit it at the the you know, the
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: main event maybe at eight.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: O'clock, nine o'clock, not eleven, you know, because East Coast
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: it really kills you.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: You up at twelve o'clock trying to watch I'm like
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: you halfway falling asleep, and you gotta take a nap.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: You gotta plan your day around today.
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: That's because we're senior citizens.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: And I think too, like you know, when when you
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: start looking at like who's going to be on the card,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: the lack of promotion of some of these boxers hurts
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: the boxing structure as a whole because back in the day,
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: you knew, you knew almost somebody on each one of
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: the cards, heavyweight, light weight, and you you knew one
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: of the boxers really well.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: You got to feel the card. Yeah, you can't. You
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: can't go out there and just put Joe.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: Blow and and and and Freddy going against each other.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: And again I think I think with this, with this
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: one in particular, he did a good job of doing that.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, some of the people, if you don't know it,
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: you may not know him. But like I said, and
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: as in the Spider Sivil, Lashia, Bumguard, if you knew
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: those names, like if you're familiar with combat sports, you
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: know those names, right, but they don't. But to your point,
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: I think boxing definitely has to do something about establishing
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: that crossover pill like it once had, because we need boxers,
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like, we need boxers, not
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: somebody that's doing something else.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to show.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: I want guys who are trying to come up trying
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: to win the heavyweight championship, the lightweight championship, Like I
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: want guys to be doing that, like that's what they do.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: They do.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: They're not coming in from another sport and jumping in
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: to the ring and trying to win.
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, here's just an example
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: of we knew what was going to happen because you know,
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: the official way in for the for the boxing for
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: the event, Joshua towered five inches above his opponent that
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: weighed almost thirty pounds more than him. So what did
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: you expect to have happened when they got in the ring?
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Good point? Yes? And okay, so and again, how do
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: you how was that a fight? How was that?
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: You're not even you're not even in that, You're not close,
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: you're not even close to that weight limit. Like so
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: you you can't be a heavyweight. You're not a heavyweight
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: you're fighting a heavyweight.
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: I mean, this guy didn't he box in the Olympics
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: at one point, Like he's just a renowned anthony.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's a heavyweight chair.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I thought. And then you know, here
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: comes in and you look.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: At him stand side by side, and I mean it's crazy.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:20
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  Speaker 4: All right, we're back well speaking of speaking of an
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: in balanced matchups. Yeah, so we had the college football
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: playoffs this week in the first round, so you had
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: JMU Tulane both taking some some pretty big wolpings. There's
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: some talks about whether they should have should not got in,
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: but I like it. You give the little guys a chance.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: Now again, jam you would they had to travel to Oregon.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: That was a tough call. Uh, Tulane going to Mississippi,
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: Oh Miss. You know again, I think oh Miss is
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: playing with a little chip on the shoulder.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: So do you think they should have let like Miami
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: and the other schools in possibly or this was the
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: right call?
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think it was the right call.
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: You've got to you've got to give a little bit
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: of motivation to those Power five schools, you know, to
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: give them hope that they.
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: Can make the playoff, you know, and Jay and you
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: you know that they didn't. They weren't.
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: It wasn't as horrible of a loss for them as
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: it was for for Tulane. I mean, I feel like
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: Tulane just got blown out of the water forty one
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: to ten, But you know, fifty one to thirty four,
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: that's respectable. I mean they're with their offense. The offense
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: was you know, they did a decent job. It was
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: the defense. I mean in order tough road trip.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're going to cross the country.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's like's I mean, even if it was like
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: a Power five equally situated school, I think that's just
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: a tough task for anybody.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, December going across the country playing a roll game.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: See what? What's what? What? What bothers me is like
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: either you have.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's clear to see who's a better team.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: Like and in some of this structure, you're you're looking
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: at a team that you already are when you're already
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: looking at it saying Okay, I wonder how bad this
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: score is gonna be.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, something's wrong with that picture. Yeah, you know what
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, something's wrong with that picture?
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: Is legit. This year they're they're legit.
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: I mean I could maybe see them giving people fits.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: They may make the whole run.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: But and how about Alabama.
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: That was that was crazy.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: It was crazy and nothing. They were seventeen and nothing.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: They may score twenty four uns points and I hate
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: to see that.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Gosh, I wanted them to lose, go away.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: Oh my gosh.
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: Well that was crazy because you know, last year, everybody
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: complained about the first round the home teams one one.
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: You know, everything in blue teams out. This year the
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: visitors one.
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Miami one of Miami one. Yeah, that was the closest.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: Alabama went over Oklahoma. He said, yeah, that was a
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: defensive Strugah, yeah, like I said. And then we in
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: the next round. You got Miami over excuse me, Ohio,
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: excuse me, Miami at Ohio State. You got Oregon at
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: Texas Tech, you got Alabama at Indiana, and then Old
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: Missa Georgia. Now, one of the controversies that were a
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: lot of people ain't gonna say a lot, but some
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: people were complaining about is that these are home games,
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: where these playoffs should be neutral site games.
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: At that point, I think they should.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Should be you think so I think so too.
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: You think so, yeah, the first round is okay, first.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: So you're saying second round, yes, so, but but but
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: that would mean the team who had to buy would
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: have to wouldn't have that home field advantage.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: They would be at a neutral That's all right, you think,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: So they got the buy.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: Wow, the benefit benefit, The benefit is the boy, the
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: benefit is the benefit. So what's what's the what's the
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: argument for making it a neutral site game as opposed
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: to a home game?
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: Because because the home game is a home game, think
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: about the crowd. That that that changed is the whole
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: dynamic of the game.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: If you believe in the idea of home field advantage,
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: which I do.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Then you're already giving me a head start.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: But it's a big But it's a playoff game, So
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: why shouldn't I have every other home every excuse me,
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: every other playoff the higher seed plays it own every
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: every every every NFL team is fighting for home field advantage.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Why why it's an advantage?
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: Okay, So so if we everybody knows that if there's
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: an advantage of being home, especially in the playoffs, So
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: second round of some sort, if you want to call
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: it that, why are we why are we not at
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: a at a neutral think but why why would we
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: be at a neutral field? Because we want to make
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: it as even as we can.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: So you want to you so you're saying you gonna
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: make it even. I want to make it even.
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: Okay, Big ten in the SEC every year getting getting
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: the home games. I mean that's a legitimate argument. I mean,
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: you know, I mean you got to give these teams
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: a little bit of a I don't want to say
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: an edge, but a little.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Bit of fairness.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: But in addition, so we're saying fairness, we're saying like equitable.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: Do you think like this would like help like sort
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: of re establish that tradition of Bowl games to have
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: a neutral.
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: Something that that would be a good way to fit
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: the games back in.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, because again think about it, you.
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: Can you can combine it.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: You're in the NFL and you got like you what
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: are you trying to get for the playoffs? Home field advantage?
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: Home field advantage? Why should this be different?
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Though?
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm trying to say. The NFL is what
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: it is because high school is what it is. Because
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: because I'm going to make the case that that should
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: be changed.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Why hold on you.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: I think, I know the NFL is not gonna change,
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: but collegiate high school I'm okay with you getting that first,
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: and that some of this is some of this is money.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: All of it it's money.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: You you want those home games for playoffs so that
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: you can make the money. I understand that, and that's
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: a and that's a huge benefit to the school. But
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: at the end of the day, to me, I want,
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: I want the best game. And and I believe, I
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: believe if you take if you gotta travel and I
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: gotta travel, and we're gonna meet at another place, we
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: got a better chance.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: You're saying all playoff well, second.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: And second round rounds, whatever, So you say those games
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: should be neutral I've actually I mean, that's actually give
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: me something to think about, because I've never heard that
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: perspective before. I mean, I've never heard somebody say like, well, okay,
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: these should be neutral site games.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's interesting.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: You flying, you're flying three of or hours somewhere, get
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: off the plane, get your.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Stuff, throw it in the hotel on the field.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: You gotta go. So now you gotta go get that
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: that practice in. Right now, the other team is sitting
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: at home. They didn't already practice there, they're chilling watching TV.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: But that's just tru But but that's what you get
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: for being a higher seed. That's the I don't I don't,
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: I don't think.
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: It doesn't work for me. It's collegiately, that's what reason.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: Because because this is like because we're naming it, they
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: just name these games bowl games. But they're not bowl
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: games in the sense that they are going to the
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: specific location that these bowl games were held in. So
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: Miami and Ohio they're playing in the Cotton Bowl, Oregon,
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: Texas Tech they're playing in the Orange Bowl. Alabama and
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: Indiana they're playing in the Rose Bowl, and then Old
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: Miss and Georgia are playing in the Sugar Bowl. So again,
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: traditionally the Sugar Bowls in New Orleans, the Rose Bowls
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: in Pasadena, the Boat the Orange Bowls in Miami, and
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: then the then the Cotton Bowl would be in Texas.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: So you're just saying keep them where they tradition. Yeah yeah, wow,
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: you took at a first step further to say all
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: playoff games should just be neutral. I think that now,
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: if let's just say a bowl is a certain bowl
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: is somewhere Okay, and you happen to be in that Bowl.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, I might. That's different.
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: You just got lucky.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: You just got lucky.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: You get to play at home, you know, or at
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: least close to home. But for the most part, like
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: I feel like I'd be fine if all of the
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: all the Bowl games were somewhere that didn't necessarily have
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: a legitimate cone.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: That is interesting. That's an interesting I've never thought about that.
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: I think that's a great.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: I legitimately, I've never even considered that, you know, outside
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: of the Bowl.
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: But when they get to host these games, this is
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: this is out of my curiosity, and you guys may
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: know the answer.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: Whenever, you know, the.
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: Opposing team goes to Ohio State or whoever's hosting, do they.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: Split the revenue or is it just the home team.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Gets a revenue? I don't. I don't.
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: That would be another argument.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: For that, if Bowl games or something like that.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: I don't know if that's the I don't know if
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: that's yeah, if it's a playoff game, so.
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: If you would you get all the money you.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: Share because you're using your resources, your employees and everything
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: I don't. Yeah, I don't know. I don't see. I
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: don't know if it be like down the middle. No,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: I don't think that. I don't think that.
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: I think another reason to make it neutral on mind, Yeah,
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: because to me, because then it would have to be
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: split right down the middle.
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: Because that's somewhere.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: That the benefit of having, you know, the playoff game
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: Bowl game at your field is money, right, I'm not
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: sharing it with Hollis. There would be no reason for
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: me to share that with Hollis. But if we now
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: are playing in a neutral if we're playing at a
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: neutral site, then we can split that money. And what
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: we now now we both can can can really fight
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: for get people at the game.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: It's not just your home. Yeah, schools gets the chance.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: To get all right, So speaking, we got one probably
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: one last topic.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: We have a.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: Pittsburgh Stiller wide receiver boy apparently accosted a fan who
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: was in close proximity to the sideline.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Apparently the fan.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: The Pittsburgh apparently I was just asking keep.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: Accusing me of that's a good look for you.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: The fancy has some derogatory remarks in the tone of
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: a of racist remarks.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I think that was. Got the that's
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: what got it going out there.
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: So I mean, what do we think about, like the
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: incident that happened on what should be the punishment if
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: any like?
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: What?
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: Well, let me tell you what I found out on
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: the internet.
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: And I don't know if it's true or not. I
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: think it should be because it was under CBS Sports.
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: But supposedly this particular fan has had a run in
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: with him before when he was a Seahawk. Yeah, I
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: think I saw that, and they were playing in Detroit,
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: the Seahawks in Detroit, and he actually had to report
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: the fan to NFL security during that game.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: It's the same fan, Oh so he's previously reported Yes.
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: Yes, And to me, I mean if he's if the
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: fan is actively pursuing the player to taunt him, to
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: to to provoke him, we're in his number, right then
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: we need to address fan behavior as much as we
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: do player behavior. I'm sorry, I mean, I feel like
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: he should be held responsible just as much as d
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: K is.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm with you.
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: I know the NFL probably disagrees with me.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I mean, it's gonna take it's
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: gonna take a lot of control internal control for you
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: to to be by that fence. Here's somebody. Well let me, well,
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: have you had a similar situation which you had like
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: a fan of somebody who was just lighting you up,
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: just saying like the nastiestuff possible. Well, yeah, like I've
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: had somebody talk about being with my mom, you know,
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: as as a as a fan, and you like, I'm
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: hearing it. I hear him, right, There's nothing for me.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: There's there's nothing really for me to do. You know.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: I can't go and jump up and try to grab them,
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: punch him or whatever because one nobody else is gonna
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: say they heard that.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: At least on the field, right, So it looks like
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: me like I'm doing you you had this thought process,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: why why this is going on?
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: I just looked, I just look I just looked at him,
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: trying to figure out, like, dude, like what like what
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: would make you say that at a football game? Right?
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: Like?
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Where?
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: Where?
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Where does that?
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: And I think where the fans some fans take.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: They they go too far, they go too far in.
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: The field and you can't really respond and they know
• 46:36
  Speaker 6: that they want to push those buttons.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: To me, I feel like there should be there should
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: be anywhere that there's a fan base, there should be security.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: Along the fence, on the bleachers, in the end zone,
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: down on the sidelines to where they hear those things
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: or they hear those people actin stupid and you either
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: put them out or do you do all that. You
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: have the possibility, you have the capability, you have the
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: funding to be able to secure that boundary of the
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: football field if you choose to do it. I think
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: you're right, and I think it's got to be like
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: a sort of like a zero tolerance because I think
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: if you're a player, we can't like if maybe those
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: things were said to somebody on the street, it would
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: be a similar reaction. You can't expect these players just
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: to be non reactions. I think like Russell Westbrook in
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: the NBA had a similar situation. So I think maybe
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: if there's a situation in which, to your point, where
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: you have this rogue fan who keeps doing this to
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: a specific player and that player reports it immediately, I
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: mean you got to go, you get you get chance.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: And you gotta coming. I don't even.
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: I don't think any and I could be wrong, but
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: from my knowledge and my I did my concept of
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: professional sports for sure, no player is going to come
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: to you as a security person and tell you that
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: this person is saying these things to me.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: That's going to be a fact.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: And so if I come to you with that fact
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: that that security guy, police officer, whatever, he's going to
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: go to that person and say, listen, if you say
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: anything else, you got one more time. If if somebody
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: comes back and says that you said this, you're out.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, because it should.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: It should.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: It should be almost as close to zero tolerance as
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: they convinent.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: I wonder if that dude like had a phone and
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: he was just like trying to get attention, Like I
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: wonder if he if he.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Like, he's probably having fun. He's probably having.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: Fun, and he's saying, I promise you he's not even
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: he's not even thinking that this one because you can't
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: get to me.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: I can call you, I can call you anything I want.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Because you can't get to me.
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: He's actually hoping that he will get attack because then
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: he can maybe seek some monetary you know, he wants money.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: There's always that possibility, and I wouldn't doubt it's you know,
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: but man, that's that's just it's just so tough man,
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: because it's like I understand the league perception and like
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: even maybe some fans perception like DK making where you
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: can't do that d d D. But it's like if
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: that guy is just like verbally abusing you all day,
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: all dam and and you you can't say all me, oh,
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: you can't do that.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: You know, how do you fix that? How do you feel?
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: I think that's you have to try to figure out
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: how to how do we stop that? The league has
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: to figure out how do we stop that? Because I
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: think like the NBA, they have like they've developed that
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: sort of zero tolerance because even if you look at
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: the malice in the Palace and I know we're not
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: trying to go back there, that was a fan who
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: threw something on around our test, like they didn't just
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: like you didn't have the players just go in the
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: crowd and just start you know, doing stuff. A fan
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: started you know, talking and then it then it got
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: physical and then the altercation went crazy.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: So fans got to take some responsibility too.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: And it's just like, dude, if you don't pay a
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: gazillion dollars to be because I looked at these tickets
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: in NBA NFL, like if you're that close them is expensive.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: It was like a mortgage payment. Bro, shouldn't you be
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: shouldn't you be shouldn't you be normal? Shouldn't you just
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: be proud that they should?
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: That should come with autographs like I want a jersey
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: and don't want to autograph, but.
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: I'm telling intentions.
• 50:41
  Speaker 6: He wanted, he wanted to provoke him to physically a
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: talk so that you know, he could have some film
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: and have, you know, a reason.
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: To to get and he's probably And the bad thing
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: about that, to your point, Lisa, is he's probably like
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: proud of that.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: He's proud of that, Like he's like, like I I
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: I provoked him.
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: It blew my mind, like the guy has done it
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: to the same player before.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: And I think maybe maybe that's why d Mekea feelt
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: like comfortable pinting hands on him, because like, look he
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: because he probably had it. He's thinking in his mind
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: like I got a case like this is happened before.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: Like I'm not gonna let you sit here and just
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: keep doing to your to your brain holler. It's like yes,
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: if I know that you're sitting in the front row
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: and you've been talking to me every game, every time
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: I come into the end zone you're saying something, then
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna have some recognition of who you are. Oh absolutely,
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: And so all of a sudden, if this, if something
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: like this all of a sudden happens and you go
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: there and you say that word to me, Yeah, we're done. Now,
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: that is I don't know you kind of I think,
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: you know, the league definitely has to do something about
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: the fans and then just the fans.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Man, just go to the game and have fun, man,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Like that's all you have to do. That's all you
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: have to do.
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: Like it's exclusive game and have fun, cheer for your
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: team and do all that kind of stuff. It's cold,
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: like the food costs a gazillion dollars. Like just I mean,
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: and trust me, this is at every level. There's no
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: reason to get I don't care what the officials are saying,
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: they've got bad calls.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: All this kind of stuff does matter. You have nothing
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: to say. You can't change any of that. Just just
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: just watch it. Just watch it and enjoy, drink your beer.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Drink a beer and go home.
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: Cheer a little bit.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: All right, Well we might have run a little bit
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: over today, but that was some of this needed to
• 52:36
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  Speaker 2: If you fall, does it, don't for get back up
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  Speaker 2: for your feet.
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  Speaker 8: Anything can be a win, yup, even defeat the say
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  Speaker 8: sugar bath for you wise. Vinetory Sweet couldn't play with
• 53:19
  Speaker 8: big kids. I had to sit in the street and
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  Speaker 8: watch from a distance. But over time I grew if
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  Speaker 8: I put in the work, and no time I'm doing
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  Speaker 8: everything that I worked and prayed the moka.
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  Speaker 2: If you ask me how did I do? What, I'm
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: gonna say.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: You gotta work, cry shine, just mine, gotta show everybody
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  Speaker 1: is my time hein here. You gotta work, cry shine
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: lover A mind.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Who talking died this day.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Line don't talk. You gotta work. You gotta work. You
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: gotta work. You gotta work. You gotta work. You gotta work.