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Power Of Recovery Is Back... · Billy & Lisa in the Morning: The After Show

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  Speaker 1: All right, here we go after show podcast. Yes we
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  Speaker 1: are here. The boys are back and they're already out
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  Speaker 1: of control. Maddie and dam and Paul recovery. Welcome back, buddy.
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  Speaker 2: How we doing fellas fantastic?
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  Speaker 1: Another day clean?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: That's it. All the bullshit that we that you know,
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  Speaker 1: goes on in life at the very least, well the
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  Speaker 1: very most. If we stay clean, then we got a
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  Speaker 1: fucking fighting shot.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: We really do. I want to start. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: had a really good friend of mine relapse after nineteen
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  Speaker 1: years clean. Was really a tough thing, and got him
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  Speaker 1: into uh got him into treatment.
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  Speaker 2: And uh he is out and he already relapsed.
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  Speaker 3: Damn.
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  Speaker 1: It's a tough thing, man, you know, it's really it's
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  Speaker 1: it's it's tough, especially when you know to see him
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  Speaker 1: in that condition. You know, I know you, I know
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  Speaker 1: you guys working it. You see it every day every
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  Speaker 1: single day. You know, I don't see it that often.
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  Speaker 1: You know, someone that is was so close to you
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  Speaker 1: and relapse and see them in that condition. It was
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  Speaker 1: a really hard thing. But he did relapse. But he's
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  Speaker 1: I think he's trying to to get it together. But
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  Speaker 1: it's hard man, it really is. It's you wake up
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  Speaker 1: that monkey. You know, we all have that monkey. Tomorrow's
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  Speaker 1: my clean date.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, eighteen.
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  Speaker 1: We're all on the same kind of length of time, though.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, okay, it's not about that.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, you and I are close. He's you know,
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  Speaker 2: he's a little behind.
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  Speaker 3: It's all, you know, I'm like six months behind.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not that much, dude.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like six months behind him.
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  Speaker 1: No. Actually, we'll go, well you're no, you're two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and nine.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh go, let me just point out he's
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  Speaker 2: twenty ten and on two thousand and eight. Okay, there
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  Speaker 2: it is early two. He can't help himself.
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  Speaker 4: Going back to what you said though, that's why the
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  Speaker 4: most important thing we can do is physical.
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  Speaker 3: Sobriety. Yes, no matter what, don't put one in you
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  Speaker 3: and you get a chance.
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  Speaker 2: I know that we're cracking a joke in the beginning,
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  Speaker 2: but literally they they you know. One of the things
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  Speaker 2: that we share all the time we talk about is
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  Speaker 2: the only thing you have to do perfect is not.
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  Speaker 3: Used that day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that that's the only thing you got to do perfect.
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  Speaker 2: The rest we fall short and can fix in all
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  Speaker 2: the others.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you're looking at three guys here. That's fucked up
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  Speaker 4: every others sides putting one in us.
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  Speaker 1: It's true, and I feel like, you know, there are
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  Speaker 1: there are circumstances that happen. You know, there's many reasons
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  Speaker 1: why someone may relapse and they go out after you know,
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  Speaker 1: long term recovery or any length of recovery for that matter.
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  Speaker 1: But you know one would be maybe a medical condition,
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  Speaker 1: you know Maddie talked about that last podcast, like a
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  Speaker 1: medical US procedure. Another thing is, and this is the
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  Speaker 1: case of my friend, is alcohol, right, yeah, because alcohol
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  Speaker 1: is so normal, you know, so you get away from
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  Speaker 1: from the program, or you get away from people in recovery.
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  Speaker 1: You start acting with the normal folk and all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden you're like, hey, I can have a spike celtz.
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  Speaker 3: See like where it.
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  Speaker 4: But it differs from personal person like Damon can't stand alcohol.
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  Speaker 1: That can't either.
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  Speaker 3: He'd rather smoke wheat if he had a choice. He's
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  Speaker 3: drinking that right, I I'd love to have a drink.
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  Speaker 2: Tell him he he his his when he has that
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  Speaker 2: the quick short fan of a fantasized age fanization help me?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah whatever that thing he you know, the hot summer day. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I failed that, but it's not mine. I'm with
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  Speaker 1: Damon on that. But I know, and that can that's
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  Speaker 1: a tough thing, you know. So what happens is we
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  Speaker 1: get away from hearing the message and we forget. And
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  Speaker 1: when I drove him to detox, okay a couple of
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  Speaker 1: weeks ago, he was all he was all fucked up, right,
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  Speaker 1: and he just kept saying I forgot. He was crying.
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  Speaker 2: I forgot. I forgot what this felt like.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously he didn't fail that bad because he already drank,
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  Speaker 1: which is what sucks. It's just a reality.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: What happened some of the times after that, like especially
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  Speaker 2: if you had some length of sobriety and separated from
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  Speaker 2: it is it's, you know, you get out and you
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  Speaker 2: just start thinking about like, oh, nineteen years, nineteen years,
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  Speaker 2: nineteen years, and it's tough to go. All right, well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm on day one and I have to do this work,
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  Speaker 2: the beginning work all over again, right.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: And it's it's kind of that mentality too, of which
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  Speaker 1: is scary. You know, I already messed up. Yeah, Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I already messed up right, So wow, why not stop over?
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  Speaker 3: But that's another thing people gotta look at.
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  Speaker 4: Just because you used don't mean you're got to run
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  Speaker 4: till the wheels come off the cot.
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  Speaker 3: You don't going to do that anymore. You could pick
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  Speaker 3: up right where you came from.
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  Speaker 4: Because the reason I have less clean time than you
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  Speaker 4: guys is I really got clean twelve, twenty eight of eight. Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 4: and I picked up after fourteen months, but I didn't
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  Speaker 4: run until the wheels came off. I got right back
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  Speaker 4: in it. And my new clean date was March fifth
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  Speaker 4: of twenty ten. So I was out there for a
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  Speaker 4: couple of weeks and said, what.
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  Speaker 2: The heck, this is good. We're supposed to at some point.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's fine.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna continue because we kept into drops in
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  Speaker 2: and didn't give Matthew enough to I'm yeah, last month
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  Speaker 2: to finish this story.
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  Speaker 5: Oh hey, Justin's Angela the Scientist and I just listened
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  Speaker 5: to the after show. We definitely need part two of
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  Speaker 5: Maddie's story, but I don't want to bump Damon's either. Ooh,
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  Speaker 5: might have to be another good, long one. But yeah,
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  Speaker 5: really really riveted by the story. I'm four years sober. Wow,
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  Speaker 5: and yeah, I love listening to you and those guys.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I got a lot of them. People want
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  Speaker 1: your part two.
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  Speaker 2: I left my first stuck up.
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  Speaker 3: I think I'm not sure if it went through, but
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  Speaker 3: I'm voting for part two of Maddie's story.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, Damon and I mainly me, I guess rudely
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  Speaker 1: interrupted your story. You got to the part where you
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  Speaker 1: got clean, and then we were like, oh, that's it.
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  Speaker 3: You good for you.
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  Speaker 6: Keep it moving.
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  Speaker 1: There's another whole half obviously, of everything you've done after you've.
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  Speaker 2: Gotten clean much right, And you know, I know, I
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  Speaker 2: know from all of us from having the times of
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  Speaker 2: sharing our experience, like that is a really really big
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  Speaker 2: pot of your story. Like you know, you know what
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  Speaker 2: you did, what got you here, that's all important so
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  Speaker 2: people can identify. But like what you've done since then,
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  Speaker 2: big guy, that's a yeah. I mean you gott to
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  Speaker 2: drop the hae.
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  Speaker 1: People want to hear it.
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  Speaker 7: Hey, this is Joe. I'm still into SATA, but did
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  Speaker 7: want to just comment on your podcast. With Power of Recovery.
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  Speaker 7: It is always great to listen to the guys listen
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  Speaker 7: to you. Don't apologize for ever talking about recovery. For
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  Speaker 7: those of us who have family members in recovery, it
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  Speaker 7: just reminds us of all the craziness that we've been
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  Speaker 7: through yet how things have changed and they do recover.
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  Speaker 2: So thank you, Thank you, Joe. I appreciate that you
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  Speaker 2: got the best listeners. Dude, honest, I God, the After
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  Speaker 2: Show Army, it's unbelieva.
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  Speaker 1: That's who they are. Yeah, they're dedicated to this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: You never know what's gonna I mean yesterday I did
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  Speaker 1: the podcast myself and I cry like a baby.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, you know who's part of the army. I just
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  Speaker 2: want to let you know who's part of the army. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: she was, what's up?
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  Speaker 1: You can bring her in, you know, dude.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if that would go. It would be fine.
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  Speaker 2: She'd be fine, bring bring anybody want. She literally, she
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  Speaker 2: literally was just texting me. So she is. She's actually
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  Speaker 2: the program manager up at Powerfulpe at the kids Place.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, she was just texting me about something. I said, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a little busy, and I sent her a picture.
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  Speaker 2: You guys always in the in the studio recording the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, bring her in, bring your wife.
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  Speaker 8: I'm actually Damon Weinberg's wife about that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 3: That's the best.
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  Speaker 1: It's gotta be up there and it's the best. You
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  Speaker 1: know what, she's super proud, she's super proud to be
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  Speaker 1: your wife.
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  Speaker 2: I literally just gave her a hot time about that
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  Speaker 2: yesterday or the day before.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So here, here's the plan. Right, It's like we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna hear part two of Maddie's story today and the
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  Speaker 1: next month when you guys come in, we'll do Damon
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  Speaker 1: story and just know that, like, you know, we laugh
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  Speaker 1: and we riff on each other. But a huge part
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  Speaker 1: of the second half, well, in the first half of
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  Speaker 1: your story, Damon's a part of that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right, he's been there since the very beginning, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean. So we'll get you part two. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like every time you come in, it's like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, either you pissed him off, he pissed you off,
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  Speaker 1: because it's just.
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  Speaker 2: How we get through a day, dude, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean. Like it's you know, everyone should be happier
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  Speaker 2: that we're focused on our that kind of energy on
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  Speaker 2: each other rather than anybody else.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's not easy, man, it's not easy doing
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  Speaker 1: what you do. It looks not only are you running
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  Speaker 1: multiple businesses, right, but you're also dealing with people and
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  Speaker 1: active addiction, you know what I mean, that are trying
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  Speaker 1: to get clean, relapse and all that. It's a lot
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  Speaker 1: that goes into it, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 2: And dude, you know as well as I do. As
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  Speaker 2: much as anyone wants to tell us whatever, there's no
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  Speaker 2: way you don't get personally attached to the people that
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  Speaker 2: come through your doors. Whether it's at the program or
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  Speaker 2: the houses or whatever, it doesn't matter, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean. We hear the stories with part of the
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  Speaker 2: stories the guys that and women that have been part
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  Speaker 2: of our lives in one way, shape form or another for.
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  Speaker 3: Years and years, dude, So if you look at it.
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  Speaker 3: I hit him with it this a couple of weeks ago.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, oh shit, every morning we wake up, we
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  Speaker 4: me and him have over six hundred people in our kid.
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  Speaker 1: Right, That's what I mean. That's what I mean. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be stress you know, running any business
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  Speaker 1: is stressful, you know, and having six hundred people that's crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So Maddie, I don't know, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I talked about the last.
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  Speaker 1: No it's fine, make it nice and easy. How you
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  Speaker 1: just started right there?
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  Speaker 3: You clean?
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  Speaker 1: You got cleaned finally twenty ten March.
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  Speaker 4: Excuse me two, it was December twenty eighth of two
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  Speaker 4: thousand and eight.
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  Speaker 3: That's the original, that's the original.
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  Speaker 1: We want to skip over to when you got clean
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  Speaker 1: your last day years at I realized.
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  Speaker 2: And after after you gave that massage for the couple
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  Speaker 2: of perks that day, a little reach around.
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  Speaker 3: How's this? This is I checked into detalks with money.
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  Speaker 2: That's how wild that's you are.
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  Speaker 3: That's how much I wanted to be clean.
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  Speaker 1: For people listening that don't get that, we typically nine
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  Speaker 1: times out of ten, nine point nine you go to
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  Speaker 1: detox when there's nothing.
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  Speaker 3: It's the only time that's ever had, the only time.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm still clean, right Yeah, I still think I
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  Speaker 2: think it's important, like what you said from from my
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  Speaker 2: you know perspective.
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  Speaker 3: That you do frame it.
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  Speaker 2: You did get clean and you were you were you know,
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  Speaker 2: sober clean or whatever a little over a year or
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  Speaker 2: something right before you.
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  Speaker 4: Have a teen thirteen to fourteen months and not just
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  Speaker 4: like clean in it in it, yeah, commitments, stept work,
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  Speaker 4: doing the recovery thing, doing the one hundred in it,
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  Speaker 4: and then what happens is just exactly what your buddy said.
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  Speaker 3: Tuesday night, I'm supposed to be here.
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  Speaker 4: But I want to be here. I can take Tuesday
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  Speaker 4: off and then Wednesday. I can take Wednesday off.
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  Speaker 3: Thursday.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not right my steps anymore because now I just
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  Speaker 4: got too busy for the one thing that gave me life.
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  Speaker 4: So before you know it, now I've been driving around
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  Speaker 4: all year with this guy I was.
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  Speaker 3: I was a plumber's helper. It was a Saturday. We
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  Speaker 3: were in Dorchester doing.
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  Speaker 4: A job and he was older and had he always
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  Speaker 4: had vicar in his console because he had aches and pain.
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  Speaker 3: They were there all year.
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  Speaker 1: Never thought you knew they were there.
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  Speaker 3: Knew they were He didn't know. I knew they were there.
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  Speaker 3: You know, as an attic, we know that, and I
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  Speaker 3: do this.
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  Speaker 4: You ever, you ever sit in a poking lot now
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  Speaker 4: with your wife or kids or anybody, and you're in
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  Speaker 4: a pocking lot, and what's it feel like? You're just
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  Speaker 4: sitting in a poking lot? Remember sitting in a poking
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  Speaker 4: lot when you were using like like, no, what he notices?
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  Speaker 3: You did? So I knew they were there.
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  Speaker 4: I made a conscious decision to walk out to the truck,
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  Speaker 4: and I wanted to eat two of them.
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  Speaker 3: But I caught myself tiptoeing out to the truck. This
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  Speaker 3: guy don't know. Now, we used to keep the cigarettes
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  Speaker 3: in the console.
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  Speaker 4: Now I'm in the console like, oh my god, oh
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  Speaker 4: my god, I gotta.
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  Speaker 3: Get it out, like it's mission impossible. When all year
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  Speaker 3: I've been in.
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  Speaker 4: And out of that truck, in and out of that console.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody's looking at me, second guessing. All right, So I
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  Speaker 4: take them by the time they hit my atoms, after
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  Speaker 4: my whole entire bean change, everything about me changed, And then.
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  Speaker 2: You haven't even fully swallowed the pillion, a whole mind everything.
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  Speaker 1: Monkey wakes up.
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  Speaker 2: It's so wild. Left.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, probably a day or so more of painkillers than
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  Speaker 3: right back to shooting arrow. But I lost my connects.
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  Speaker 3: And now my friend Chris was out there using, but
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  Speaker 3: when I checked in he was clean.
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  Speaker 4: He'd relapsed when I was clean, So I don't I
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  Speaker 4: can't get dope right now. Now I want dope, and
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  Speaker 4: it's around I don't know, six seven at night, six seven.
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  Speaker 3: And I meet him at a dunkin Donuts and Revere
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  Speaker 3: and he gets in my car. He's like I'm not
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  Speaker 3: giving it to you. I can't. I can't call the guy.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, just call the guy, please, please call you
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  Speaker 4: are clean, I'm like, no, I've been using for the
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  Speaker 4: last three days whatever.
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  Speaker 3: So his cop holes. I'm sorry. This is a couple
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  Speaker 3: of weeks because I'm already like strung out.
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  Speaker 1: You're running, I'm running.
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  Speaker 4: It's the first time I'm using with him. Yeah, because
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  Speaker 4: this is what got me clean. The second time. I'm
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  Speaker 4: sitting there and I've just worked for a year. I
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  Speaker 4: put a little life together, first time in my life
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  Speaker 4: I ever lived. And I'm sitting in the cow with
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  Speaker 4: my friend and Chris, and we're waiting for the guy.
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  Speaker 4: And he pulls up and I go, dude, ain't that
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  Speaker 4: your fucking car.
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  Speaker 1: He's like the drug dealer was driving here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So I said fuck this. He goes, I
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  Speaker 3: told you getting better out here. I go, fuck this.
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  Speaker 3: I'm fucking done. Wow, I'm done.
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  Speaker 1: And you didn't do it.
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  Speaker 3: No, I didn't come on dude, after ideah, I did
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  Speaker 3: it that day.
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  Speaker 4: The next day, I checked in the detox, went to
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  Speaker 4: ad care yep, left ad care, used that day, check
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  Speaker 4: back in that day and never used again.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Boom. Okay, never use again.
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  Speaker 4: I started going to a seven am meeting in Revere
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  Speaker 4: every morning at seven.
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  Speaker 3: My job let me go to the meeting every morning.
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  Speaker 4: And then how I was only taking I was taking
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  Speaker 4: home three hundred and eighty five dollar was.
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  Speaker 1: A week as a plumber.
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  Speaker 3: That was my pay, three eighty five a week. I
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  Speaker 3: was taken home. Okay, So I go to that meeting,
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  Speaker 3: go to work, leave work, do a side job, whatever
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  Speaker 3: the hell. It may be a gobbage disposal, an oil tank,
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  Speaker 3: whatever I could to make cash.
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  Speaker 4: Be back in a meeting by seven midnight. Sometimes go
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  Speaker 4: back to the side job.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, or just go home.
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  Speaker 1: See you banging two meetings a day?
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  Speaker 3: Easy?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: For the first however long it took months problem Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and it didn't.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: I just didn't want to go back.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: That's seven am meeting. I won't say his name, but
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: I can say his nickname because I don't want to
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: out him whatever. But Ping Pong, you know I'm talking about.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: He's a guy. Yeah, I'm not gonna say his name
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: or whatever. Great guy. First guy that's the seven am meeting, right, Yeah.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the first guy I ever had speak.
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: For me when I had enough time to share a
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: meeting me too. He's one of the first man I go, dude,
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: can you tell you ping pongs?
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: The poor Yeah.
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: It was so intimidating coming as a newcomer to these
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: giants Chelsea, Bob, Johnny festav Oh, I know all these
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: guys and you'd go up and then they became like friends,
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: like Randy, all them guys, because Randy was the second
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: guy I ever had speak for me.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: It was at the Dat Club in Charleston.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, and he's your sponsored now.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: Now he's ship Yeah. Yeah, he's at power. He's sitting
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: in power of recovery, right, helping people. Yeah, I just
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: would have been a meeting last night.
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: Like it's just routine if you stay around long enough,
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: like all these people just they're regular people with a
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: couple of days more than you.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Have, So two meetings a day. Hold that thought because
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: for people listening, I want to kind of explain the
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: ping pong thing. So part of this guy's story he's
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: been cleaned a long time, is back in like the seventies,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: he was overseas, he served in the in the service,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: and he was in a detox and they all were
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: looking for things to get how to get high. And
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: someone said, if you smoke ping pong balls, you'll get high,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: And sure enough, the whole place was smoking ping pong,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: but they weren't getting high. They were getting like.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: And we're literally we're short change in this.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: It's really good. It's really you.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Have a sit and listen. He's absolutely I'm gonna call
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: him and ask me to come in here, and.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: He'd love I'd love I love that man. I'd love
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: that my sponsor, who I've had for pretty much the
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: whole time I've been clean. If he wasn't, it would
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: have been ping pong. I love that guy. Great message.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: So two meetings a day.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: Two meetings a day, learning a trade, grabbing a network
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: like and it was.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: I had a lot of fun, a ton of fun
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: early recovery, Like damon, I'll tell you back then, you'd
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: pack a cow with ten fucking people, go do a commitment,
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: eat an ice cream, call it a day. Because I'm
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: still trying to navigate. I went from a little boy
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: to a full blown addict to a thirty year old
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: guy with the brain mentality of a twelve year old. Yeah,
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I've never literally written a check, never
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: insured a car I drove unregistered, uninsured forever, like all
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: of that ship.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: And that's all ship I had to learn at thirty.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: So I'm working that job.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: And my brother, who everybody knows about Wednesday nights like
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: he had all us.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Guys, we talked to night.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: We've talked about it, like grateful to this day for it.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: He comes up with the idea of opening a soba house. Yeah,
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: and I was still stuck in like my attic mentality.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Now now, now when he says that to you at
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: that time, do you have a lot of money?
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: None? Saved like none, I had any money?
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: So your brother came now her brother probably had some money. None, Okay,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Then where the fuck did the money come from?
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: Beg borrowed and stole? Wow? Yeah, And just like so
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you the last I'm sorry, no, no, but
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: we did.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: This house over in the last four grand we needed. Okay,
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: I'm like a year year and a half so and
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: uh we got to open but with four grand short.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: And he goes asthma for it, and I go like,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: I just robbed her last year me.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: He goes, I ain't on better terms with her right
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: now either. I go all right, I'll try.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: And this is what changed my trajectory of my life.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: I didn't know I was good at certain ship because
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: I never did it before. Okay, like I told you,
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: I went from a kid to an attic to a
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: thirty year old guy working a job. Now I go
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: up to it. Okay, We've been working on this house
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: for months. We had damon rufie.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I was gonna say the part of
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: the story, like we kind of were just leaving it
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: to the waiside. We they literally scraped together the ability
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: to buy this house. It was downtrodden. It was like
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: they it was on Strawberry Ave. We literally had to
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: like there was like cops there getting squad is out
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: of there like it were. People were like it was nuts,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: and we would every day. Everybody had regular jobs and
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: every day after the work, we all were going there
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: to help build this house. Dude, I've I have I
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: don't know if you can tell, but zero roofing and
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: construction experience. Yeah. No, I was in the crew, dude.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: What happened was all that them good deeds my brother
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: put in on Wednesday. On Wednesday night, there was a roofer,
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: big gym legit roof of professional roof. Yeah, so you'll
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: give you a Saturday and Sunday. You guys lay before me,
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: all right, cool, we can do what you tell us. Boom,
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: carry this, do this, do that, Boom, we get a
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: new roof, just like my younger brother's electrician.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: I'm a plumber. Like we just threw it all together.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Now, hold on, now, when your brother had this idea? Obviously,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: you know, you you buy a house, you rent it
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: out to men or women or whatever, sober house, you
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: generate income. But was that that wasn't My question is
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: was it because he really did want to help people?
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Was idea?
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: Well, he didn't want to open it and look like
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: he was doing it for a financial thing. He needed
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Chelsea Bob's blessing because the literally when guys were.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Like everybody's opening up this ship going for the money.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Grab and six guys in a bedroom.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: He asked Chelsea Bob for his blessing, and he said,
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: you guys can do whatever you want. You're the real deal.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: So we still honor it to today. No more than
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: two in a room. Everybody gets their own TV, Wi Fi,
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: bed sheets, pillows, We supply all the cleaning supplies. We
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: go above and beyond any other place back then, trying
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: to tell me that I was just a guy carrying.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: And you guys will know this because you got clean
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: all right before me. When you had to carry a
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: toilet paper from your bedroom to the bottom. Ye, how
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: do you feel home? Or when you went to do
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: your laundry in a dirt basement? Soba houses were disgusting,
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: gross places, many same ben and many disgusting.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: We didn't do that. It was all new. It might
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: have not been stated.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: The yacht the first one because we scraped it together.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: Flat screen TV, yeah, they were tiny.
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: They were big to the living room was only thirty
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: two we had in the building. Dude, we had nineteen's
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: on the wall, but they were flat screens.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Baby. Yeah, so like ship like that, but nobody's ever
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: seen it before. Now we we go through that, and
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: here's exactly what happened.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: I find in the interim, I meet Michelle. We end
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: up moving in together. I never did like my mother,
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: don't know what's it like? Oh my god, is he
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: going to be all right?
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Like I was either home or away or on the street.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Wait, so where are you living now?
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: Well? I moved into.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: One tiny one bedroom in Saugust for seven hundred and
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: fifty dollars.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: And you're plumbing your you're a plumber's assistant.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: I'm an assistant doing side jobs at night. And I
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: move in with Michelle, who's working at the that clinic
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: out in Marblehead. She's been working there ten years.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's got her ship together, well, probably six years.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: She's about six years sober.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah Michelle, your wife got sober in two thousand and four.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, so yeah, see she beats all of us.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I was in the I was there with her.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm still doing my thing, going to meeting's, running
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: around work, and now we got this. And then Friday night, I.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: Walked into the Saugust AA meeting Young People's Meeting and
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: seeing her and I was like, oh man, she was
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: a woman with girls. I was like, I need to
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: talk to her. And her friends are.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Like she.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: So I was Maddi Fit Matty Polante and I'm like, dude,
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: who's that girl.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: He's like, forget it. I go all right. So after
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: the meeting, I walk up to her and I go, hey,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: we're going to get something to eat after the meet,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: and you want to come with us?
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: She went no fucking no.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: So I go, oh, man, I think she likes me.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Imagine to tell you.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: So the next week, obviously, where am I? You know
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: him at that meet? You know him at that meeting?
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: And I sit behind her with Matt and I'm talking, talking, talking,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: first word she ever said to me. She turns around,
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: she goes, hey, I go yeah. She goes, well, you
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: shut the fuck up.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you have to know Michelle how she is.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Shut the fuck up.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: She was there for a meeting. That was it.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: And then after the meeting I waited out. She's like,
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: what's up, dude, I'm just waiting for my apology because
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: you just swore at me.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: She goes, yeah, okay, and then said nice shirt, but
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: tap my shoulder. I was like, all right, but whatever.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: It took me a couple of months. I pretty much
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: talked until.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: She said I was hoping that we got to that.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: I was open. We got the honest piece, so whatever, no, no,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: tell the whole thing. They would he would drive around
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: and open the door of a meeting to see if
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: she was in that. Okay, I'll do a credit. He
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: would at least stop and attend the meeting that she
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: was at when he found her, if he found her
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: that night, but yeah, that's that's how it went.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: And then would sit with the car run I like, nope,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: let's go peel off and have a meeting list.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: It sounds so much creepier now when we tell the story.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: It didn't feel that way in the midst of it.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: Like the girl and I.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: Chased, yeah, you did you know? And she finally said, yeah,
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: well I cold called her. She never gave me your number.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: I went to the beach. Remember Richie and Perado.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love Richie. All right, he's still
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: talking to him.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, here and there, Me and him graduated churn about together.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: I'm the godfather of his son. We got real really yeah.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: So me and him were real close at the time,
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: and I'm standing down Winthrop Beach. I go to meet
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: him and he's walking his son in the stroller, and
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: I tell him about this girl.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Oh dude, Butchie knows her. He was in the hospital.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: I didn't know this. And he goes, who I get
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: the fuck out of here. Oh yeah, I swear to god.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: He goes call her. Bro I go, no, I just
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: can't call her. He goes, here's her number.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Mane.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: I called her, She's like, what what you know, Nona.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: The next day we went to Santapios for pizza.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: On the Boston No, right on the wall at the beach,
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: And that weekend we were at what's.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: That Fear up there? Todd Fail Fear first and only
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: time I ever been there, Will never go again.
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Disgusting love that place. Gross.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Pretty it's pretty busy, Okay, Yeah, so that was like
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: your first.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: That was that was like my first like real girlfriend, dude, wow,
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: like because I never had any structure anything, and she
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: taught me about relationships and stuff like that. So fast
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: forward a few months obviously we move in together, tiny
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: little place. House opens. My brother walks in to the house.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: He's established, he's ten years older than me. He's a
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: family man. He he knows stuff that I don't know.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: And he goes, all right, i'll see you.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: I go what Hey hands him the checkbook for the
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: bank account. I think we had twelve dollars.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Hands me the checkbook. I never wrote a fucking check.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: He goes, you're a smart kid, you'll figure it out.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Greatest thing that ever happened.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Wow, Yeah, and you did well.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: I never paid an electric bill, a cable bill. I
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: don't know how to balance a check book, so like
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: I'd do it every week. We had three bills, but
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: I'd be balancing.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: It every day, every single day. And we had six
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: beds to start in the six beds under and twenty
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: five bucks. I think the rent was yet on.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: The beds. Yeah, pretty quick.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well what we did, I'm knocking to bullshit.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, when we first opened, I'm a year year and
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: a half.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: He's no, no better whatever. So we'll like the guys
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: that are living in the house, the guys we go
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: to the meetings with, they're our friends.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're sitting there Friday night after rent playing CODs,
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: eating pizza.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Like not just playing CODs like friendly, we like gambling
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: with the guys. I think that's what he's trying to
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, not a clue in the world,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Like it's not to us. We're not looking at it
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: like you know, guys running a business, or we're hanging
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: out with our friends playing CODs, gambling like on a
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Friday night because they were your friend, right.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: And then it takes people who've been in recovery, say
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: like show or them adults, you take adults.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, you can't fucking do that.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Hey.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Me and him looked at each other like, what do
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: you what do you mean?
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: And they were like, oh shit.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: So we've learned from all mistakes that could never happen today,
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: that would never happen, but fifteen years ago.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: That's but it got us closer to the guys.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: And we knew their girls' names, we knew their kids' names,
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: we knew their parole office, isn't it. And so that
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: happens that small basement apartment. She's now pregnant.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh fuck.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're going to be a dad.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be a dad now. I just started
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: learning how to feed myself. So I said, fucking I'm
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: gonna open my own plumbing company. My plumber boss goes,
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: you're not a plumber. You're not a plumber.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you were just still an assistant.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't open a plumber company. I looked at him.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: I go, can Bob Craft throw football?
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Imagine?
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Oh my god?
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: And he goes, I go, Canbobcraft row football? I can
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: get jobs. I can price jobs. I know how to
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: do the jobs. I just need to get the right people.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: In the right place. So I went and got me
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: a master plumber. I opened up a plumbing company. I
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: started first it was just me in a truck. Then
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: came on the plumber. Within two years it.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: Was nineteen guys. Wow, Yeah, I redid the Prudential Center.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: I grabed huge accounts just from getting getting up and
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: getting it.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: It's out there, if you want it, go get it here.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, you can definitely get that sense with you
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: that you have this natural kind of business mind. You
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: know that that probably you never even realized that you had.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: So this is what dude, I still got.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: I still got pictures of you said and that it
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: was just a million dollar contract. It was like we unhurt.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Me and him were like just holy you know what
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I mean. It was nuts. And he's at his desk
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: and we had a small little office in Clifton Dale
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Square in Saugust, dude, and then he's like, dude, this
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: is the first million dollar contract I've a signed in
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: my life.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Now what are you doing at this time?
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: Money?
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: I'm losing.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Well, you're gonna tell your story next time.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: But you're funny how he gets on to this.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: The plumbing was you. He had nothing to do with
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: that no, no, no.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Occasionally I was a plumber's help up. Yeah, I was
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: room yeah, dude.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: Listen, whatever we do to get by at night, I'd
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: go into places personally cheaper than the next guy.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: But I'd bring Damon the bill for two guys, so
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: he'd go to do with them. Some lady would cook
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: him chicken palm, I clean her grease trap.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Dude. But like I was doing other stuff like I like, again,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: we'll get into my story another time. But but like
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: we'd both be showing up to a meeting like in
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Workfill was still right, like we we were grinding, man,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean that that's all it was.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: It was a grind.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: So you guys have been best friends for years. I'm
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: just saying, like, all this stuff you've done together.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: Dame, Yes, Damon's first day, it's all right. Because now
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: let's just intro the second house. My brother Dennis goes
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: out and buys a three family I.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Just want to I'd like to make a note in
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: this story that in the beginning, you haven't heard much
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: about his brother Dennis until he realized.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Which is, what's one of the brothers that's bought my
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: first house.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: My older brother, Stephen. I have a younger brother, Dennis,
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: who said, you're going to open what with who he's
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: a fucking idiot but me because I just.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: We was talking to Steve aka Snuff Denny Jones.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: Robbed the kid for the last fifteen years, like I'm
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: a leech, I'm a pariah.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: So Dennis said, nothing to do with the first house.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Well he come and Wyatt, Yeah, and he'd work.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: You know, he helped us, but he didn't want Nope,
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: nothing to.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Do anything to do with the business part of it
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: with him involved.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: So what he.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: Seen was a total transformation of me personally, Like you know,
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: my mother's not going upstairs with her pocketbook. I'm going
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: to work. I have Michelle, she's pregnant.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: He saved every penny from work, from his side jobs,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: from the solo house Busines has paid his mother back
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: to four grand that meeting because we could actually we
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have been able to open without her four thousand
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: to get the furniture, Like he told you what I mean.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I call her and I go hey, she goes, yeah,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: come by and get it. And now my mother don't
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: have money, She's not like she's a regular person.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: She don't ye four grand, that might have been a
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: million time might as well. You know, that's a million.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Dollars to it to us, we're regular people. So I
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: didn't know I was good at this.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: The second she handed me that money was the day
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: I started paying it back, do you know what I'm saying?
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: And I never missed the payment, and I was always good.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: And you know how they call the wreckage of the
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: past and bill collectors in this, I had all of
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: that shit ambulance rides. This that I paid a lady
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: thirty dollars a month for three years to clear up
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: an ambulance ride. Credit cards, you know, they'd give you
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: five hundred dollars credit card, you'd run it through the.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Ring around, you get. I I did all of that shit,
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: so I'm cleaning that up. Also making my paycheck was
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: three eighty five. Okay, well, because your credit was probably shit.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Now, yeah, but this is just all like it's I
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: think it's important now we're hitting these points right, because
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: this is like it was. It's a lot of work
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: and we forget it sometimes. But he did every bit
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: of that as and as much as you see these
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: mountains in front of you, he took that bill and said,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: I can afford thirty dollars month. He started the budget.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: He started like, Okay, this is what I make every week.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: This is what I can do.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: My friend Anthony taught me about budgeting. He he was
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: best friends with Denny, and me and him became real
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: close and like he's the godfather of my daughter. Now
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: one of my dearest friends in the world. And he
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: went one way after school.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: I went there.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: He went the good way.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, property business, self employed.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: And I go, I can't make I don't make money
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: like you make money. I can't make it through the week.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: And you go, come into my house. Okay, what do
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: you make a week? Fucking three eighty five?
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: I can't pour meats right, And he goes, how many
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: ice coffeesh you buy this week?
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Huh? How many you bring your lunch to work? What
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: do you do? This? What? What?
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: I was spending unnecessary money? So he goes, you want
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: to make it through the week with money, here's what
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: you do. And he wrote down a budget for me,
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: and I followed it and within a month I saved
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: my first hundred dollar fill and it was a small
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: face hundreds bill, one of them old school, hundreds dollar bills.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: I still have it in my sock draw. Really, I've
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: never been week to week since that day.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Ah, that's a big deal.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Yea, that's a big deal.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: That day, big bill that was in whatever, twenty thirteen
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: or twelve.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, never so.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Right, So his brother's seen all this stuff along with
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: you can. Whether he's looking at his budget or not,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: he's watched what he's done with the house. Bills are
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: paid on time, Mom's paid back. He's like a different
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: human being at this point. They've never seen No one
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: in his family has seen this version of Mattie Powers.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: So that's why the other brother, your younger brother, came
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: for the second house.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: We don't know about the house. Me and my brother Steve,
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: and Denny walks in. I take it Sunday titter at
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: my mother's.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Yea.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: He throws the paper on the table. He goes here,
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: we're potanas. He bought us a house.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: He went, He didn't tell him literally, And this is
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: how Denny lives his life. He went and bought Franklin
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Street right seventeen Dash nineteen Franklin. She went there, bought
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: it and came over and was like, all right here
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: I'm in.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: So now all three of us are pot Now I'm
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: in perfect. I mean this place was a shipthole too.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: So now now we have Denny on the team. So
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: now we're all they are working on that house again and.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: So on, and so is the first house making money?
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: No?
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: So why let me get it? So So listen, the
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: thing is with the with the house right again, one
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five dollars a week. There's a mortgage
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: payment that's due, all the other you know, electricity, all
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: that stuff. So some weeks were full and everybody has
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: their rent. Wonderful you're getting you know, six six beds
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: right since opening?
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Has any has rent ever been perfect since the day reopened?
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Note and we've never had a week where there's been
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent. So that's why I say it the
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: way I say the house can be full, you may
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: still only have four guys paying rent that week because
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: they it just you know what I mean. So and
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: and you know, we built out, We're built we built
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: the company to be able to survive that because of
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: the way he started with it. Every single doll that
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: came in was recorded, hym and I he's got workbooks
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: still from the time, like we would collect rent on
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: a Friday to be three hundred and seventy five dollars. Okay,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: here you go. I gotta put this three seventy five
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: in here. And then after three or four weeks, sorry,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: I got twelve hundred, but I got to pay the
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: mortgages seven hundred. I gotta pay this all right, we
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: got ninety two dollars left. No one touches it. No
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: one touches it. When I first went to work with him,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: he was literally like, hey, I need your help because
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: I let me tell them.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, after Franklin Street opens, we open Franklin the second house,
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: second house, thirteen people.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, I don't remember.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Now it's like ninety yea yeah, it's there. It's there
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: full time and a half pumping now trying to run
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: these and I you fucking can't. So I go to Damon.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: I go Damon.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: Now, don't forget. I see Damon every single day. We're
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: at the same meetings where it's house every Wednesday. He
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: knows everything that's going on. He's already hanging out at
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: the houses like he's what are you doing for work?
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Though at that point I was doing junk removal stuff.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Oh I remember that. Okay, so you have your own.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Job, yeah, I mean I was sort of self employed
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: in the like least loosely way you could possibly mention it.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead, Manny.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: So now I go, I go, Damon, it's getting a
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: little too busy for me. But the baby's coming, the
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: whole nine whatever.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: My life is real life. I go, I need your help. Yeah,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: can you come work here? Yeah? All right, I got
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: no money to pay you, you said him.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because none of us had any money, right, nobody
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: had any money.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: I go, I got no money to pay you.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: So for Damon's first couple of years, probably it cost
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: him money to come to Chelsea's house. Literally, he'd buy
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: pizza for the guys, he'd pick up what he would
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: what he did at first to help out was pick
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: up the rent on Friday nights. Yeah, Friday night, he'd
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: pick up the rent whatever, and we'd hash it all out.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: He's good with numbers.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Boom. That's it's still his gig.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so and the other stuff we do. We
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: obviously we're doing drug test and a different thing like
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: all that stuff. So like we you know, I mean,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: it was simple as that like, oh, first pick up
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: the rent, then like we'd have a house meeting. We did,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: like just a few different things, like he said, literally
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: it was costing me money and the fact that A
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: I wasn't getting paid it was my time, and b
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: like like literally there'd be times like all right, let's
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: eat and then no one in the house got money.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you a question. I know, you
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: know he's obviously your best friend, and that's what we
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: do for our friends, right, we help out. But was
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: there any part of you that kind of saw what
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: his vision was or thought in your head like this
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: could be something big and grow into something big, that
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: could be a part of that you wanted to be
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: a part.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Of this Listen. If I'm honest, I'm not really sure
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: I saw the vision for how big it could be.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: What I felt was the moment, right, And the moment
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: was an extension of what Wednesday Night was for us,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: which was all of us coming together and the feeling
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: of what the program gave us and by the program
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: me like like naa like like that feeling of feeling
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: good and helping others was like enough. So I don't
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: think any of us had like some real crazy vision
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: about that at that time we even knew, right yeah.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: You no years and no, because I'm the kind of
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: guy where if you gave me ten million dollars right now.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm you know what I want? What eleven?
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: More, whatever it is, I just use ten million. If
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: you give me two ice creams, I'm looking to taste
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: a third.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: So maybe in the very beginning it was okay, but
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: I think after that check, I'm like, I.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Can grow this. Yeah, we can do this, Yeah, I
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: can you know, I'm growing the plumbing here. Let's do
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: this here.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: And from like that day forward, when Franklin Street came online,
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: like we were off and rolling, and we did a
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: couple of houses a.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Year, and so how many of you at now thirteen?
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah dude, a few years we like doubled in size,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: like six to thirteen houses.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: And where are they spread out? What cities?
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: So Chelsea, Lynn, East Boston and Maldon, Yeah, we got
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: one and more Washington right in between Oprahove and Washington.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I grew up right there there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: So do you still a plumbing business business.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Or now not? As of two months ago?
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: You let it go because it just became too much.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I because I'd never given one thing one
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: hundred percent and we've done all of this, so if
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: I can give one thing one hundred percent, god knows where.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I remember when you first started coming in here and uh,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: you know, I remember I was asking you about your
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: plumbing business or whatever, and you're like, dude, the phone
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: doesn't stop. It's like it's either you know, power of recovery,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: the sober houses, the plumbing thing. So so you let
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: that go. You sold the plumbing business, so that's gone, gone,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: all right, So let's get to the power recovery and
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: how that came about, because now you're switching from sober living,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: which people move in they pay rent to. Now you're
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: talking about insurance and all that whole treatment.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so whatever, we do the sober house thing for
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: about what twelve ten, twelve years something like that.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so, yeah, we still we were expanding,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: we were growing, and you know, we did see some
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: places around here has start to open for treatment places.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Early on there was a there was a couple of them,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: and we're housing them.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: So that's what happened. Like a lot of those places
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: they would they would, uh, the families would come in.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Some of the families were coming to people coming from
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: out of state, and so they needed place to stay.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: And we were well known as this is the place
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: you send your people to because you know, you know,
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: there's not using in the houses. There's not they're not
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: letting people get away with stuff.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: Like you know, we're the best sober house in the
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: state of Massachusetts and it's not even a close second.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I know that from its true.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: It's a fact.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I know that.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: We try not to stick it out there like that,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: but it is the truth, and I think it's important
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: that we do mention that.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: But I'd say it in my story.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: I've never been the best of anything in my entire life,
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: never anything. I know for a fact we have the
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: best sober homes in the state of Massachusetts, and I
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: won't play a close second to anybody.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, just the the ship we've done throughout the years.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: He actually did it. He made it in a way
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: where the guys still want to come to us in
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: the parole offices, still want to send to us.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: Do you know how how that is?
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, walk in the line.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: They have both y.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: It was. It was a group effort, believe me, but
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: it was. We've been We're very, very fortunate. We just
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: we kept doing what we do, right. We literally took
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: the Wednesday night that his brother started, that's that snuff started,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: and we brought that into the homes. And it didn't
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: matter how many more beds we got. We kept the
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: same like, hey, this is your home. This is a
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: safe place for you to come back to at the
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: end of any day that you haven't good, batter indifferent
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: and you're gonna be okay here. And that's literally the
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: base of it.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: So now in the interim, all I know, you want
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: to get the power of recovery. But in the interim,
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: now my brother Dennis comes on, my father retires.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: He's now running a maintenance group. So it's like a
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: family maintenance. We have a houses.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we have a maintenance team that's in the houses
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: every day. They just keep cycling around the houses, which
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: keeps our houses at a different standard of everybody else's.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: Do we make as much money as everybody else?
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: No, is your loved one gonna walk into a nice
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: clean room.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, so you're not a slum lord.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: That's good not even close to.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: No, and then like, uh, change their lives, say Denny
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: and my father, yeah, stand office against us kind of guys.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: As to now, Denny's making side calls to Damon, Hey,
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: you might want to go over to Franklin Street and
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: check on Justin.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: He looks like he's having a bad day.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: His father's walking around to a just I'm over my
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: book like there were his kids, they were those are
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: the it was wild dude, yeah wild?
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Wait so your Donny Denny has his own career.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: Though, No, no, now he's with us full time.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah okay, but he was a he was a licensed electrician.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah wow.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah wow, So he's full time, had his own business everything.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: But now yeah he does he's fully yeah wow yeah.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: So it's like twenty twenty, dudet a couple of cans.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I guess I'm curious.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so obviously you said the kids, Yeah, this is
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: what happens. Though, You're like, we're we're at this point
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: where a few houses and a few years into it there,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: I guess going good.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: I guess My question to you, Antimaty, right is you
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: were kept opening more sober House was very successful. What
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: made you not just continue opening sober houses we.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Have, we still open them. But but he'll tell youstruction right,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: so will wild recover? So what what some of the
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: stuff that we saw he had he had a vision
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: with some of the things that that we saw along
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: away and just stop, you know, and miss.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: What happens is people walk in on year sixteen or
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: seventeen and they see something polished. Okay, he's not dirty anymore.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: He's driving a decent car, a nice house.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: Life looks put together in my personal life, like I
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: stayed in that small apartment and drove a free plumbing
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: drunk for years yep. And then once I got I
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: had a little pig on side of my bed, a
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: little awkward pig.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: Every night I do a side job. I put money
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: in that pig in a piggy bank, like a piggy
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: legit piggy back. No word of a lot really, so
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: you're ready. Michelle had good credit and no cash. I
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: had no credit, and I was able to know. I
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: was able to save up eleven thousand dollars.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: Okay, from sixty dollars fifty dollars, two hundred dollars, I
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: saved up eleven thousand dollars by driving a free vehicle
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: and not living beyond my means in Anthony's budget. And
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: I did that for years, and my son Maddox is born,
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: and she's already pregnant with my daughter Mia, and was
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: still in a basement apartment, one bedroom, tiny, big as
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: these two studios put together.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: I said, we get to buy a house. She goes,
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: all right, we get to buy a house.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: I find a house Inland, a two family for two
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: hundred and ten thousand dollars, and I have enough for
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: a down payment, first time home buyas I go, we
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: gotta put it in your name. I'll get a gift
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: from my father to put down and I'll give him the.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Cash yacause first time, three percent.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: Two family.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we buy it.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: She's like, all right. When we moving, I went on,
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: I make seventeen hundred a month on that. Dude.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: I think this is I think this is the pot
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: where where you get to tell him that you stole
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: two houses from your parents.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: So my father and then from buys a house in Saugust.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: But my mother's not leaving, Chelsea. My old man just
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: buys shit and don't tell my mother. Old school relationship
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: you know, she won't leave Chelsea.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Like buys it for what he wants to live there.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: With my mother Because now all his family's moved up
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: to Saugust. We're not in Chelsea anymore. She's not ready
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: to go.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Well, hold on, So your brother is just like your father,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: because your brother did the same thing. He bought the house, remember, yeah.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: H and just showed up the very similar Ye. Yeah, oh,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: I did the same. Except we all know Judy runs
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: the nest. So when he said about the house, she said,
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: that's great. What are you gonna do with it? I'm
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: not leaving.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: So my grandmother and I lived downstairs. Nice house in Saugust.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: Upstairs is a different apartment. My father said, I go, Dad,
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: I getta go rent a place. I just bought another
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: house in Saugus. It's down on the river. The only
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: one I could afford. It was two hundred and ten thousand,
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: come to think of it, both houses with two tens.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: Well that was one eighty, but it needed a ton
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: of work. In comes my brothers and my father and
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: they go to work and my father goes go live
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: up there. Just pay half the mortgage until your mother
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: wants to move.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: I do that my house gets done. I moved in there.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: I see it.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: I end up selling both of them houses and buying
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: the house.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: I live in now, you know in Sagus.
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, So it was a slow crawl, like, you know,
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: I'm not out there buying cars or jewelry or anything
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to I'm trying to do it, you know
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: He stole the family home. Okay, he stole their family
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: home that they were going to buy in.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: He lived there.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Then when things changed, he was like in the he
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: was in the bottom half at first, then he went
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: to the other side. Whatever, it's flip flop. So first
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: he stole from his parents, then his aunt still had
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: a way to move in.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: Then that was the second time when I had to
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: build the house I live in now, right.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: And then oh yeah, that's right. And then when his
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: parents were fondly ready to move out of their childhood home,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: what'd you do, Matt.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: It's seventeen guys in there. He stole it the house.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: I did the house over.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: It's a home.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: So now the guys that live in my bedroom were.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Like, oh my god, that's crazy.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Don't worry. His father got the best thing out of
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: his father's Yeah, his father is good for the rest
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: of his life. But yeah, nonetheless, I always I find
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: it amusing. We like to tell the story I lost
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: my parents' house. He stole too from his parents, you know.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: What I mean.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: He's a business man.
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: Well so, now, all right, we have the best soba
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: houses in the state. We now have men in women's
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: houses because we have women running the women's houses.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: Me and him are running the men's houses. And I said,
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: I'm watching these people open these treatment centers, like I
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: can do this. We could do this. We could do this, eason,
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: no problem. And imagine what was it?
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: What was the exact phrasing that you use when you
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: were talking to us and your brother brothers about it.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: It'll be seem quick quick, quick, and eat quick and cheap. Yeah,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: quick and cheapy this week and cheap opening power recovery
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: quick and cheap wasn't either.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: Nope, but I would not give up. I didn't quit
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: on it. People started losing. No, you got such and
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: such invested. You might want to like.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: At this point. So now so just to set the stage,
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: we're talking somewhere around nineteen twenty, right, like twenty nineteen
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty. He's in the new home. He has a
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: he has a couple bucks off the not not a
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: ton of money, but he's got a couple bucks. But
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: he's prepared to dump his entire life savings into what
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: it's going to take to open up Power recovery.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: And your brothers are involved in Now, yes, they're gonna.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Help it, but on like, I'm like, okay, let's he
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: so they weren't fully important. He said, I'm doing it anyways,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: I have money, I'll do it. At some point everyone
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: woke up and go, Okay, we're not going to let
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: you risk everything, and we're all out of it. Yeah,
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: but this kid, I did.
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: I put my life save yead of into the power
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: of recovery.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Were you nervous?
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I don't know. For some reason, He'll
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: tell you, I just knew it was gonna work. I
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: just knew it was gonna work. And it was like
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: no brainer to me, and I knew it. Don't get
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: me wrong. They would dock bad times with him and
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: I I took everything my kids had out of the
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: bank at some point after we open where we got
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: a payroll where I'm physically going out putting water. Heat
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: is in taking the money and giving it to the
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: people to work at power like ship like that.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: That's I think he told me. Maybe it was probably
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: two years ago. Now, God, time flies, I remember you
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: had told me you had just gotten your first paycheck
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: from Power of Recovery.
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: Because I did Power of Recovery like I did Chelsea Cells.
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: Nobody took a penny.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: From Chelsea Cells for a few years.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: We worked for nothing for a few years, and Power
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: of Recovery the same way. When we open a business,
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: I keep two to three months in reserve, So until
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: I hit that point, nobody's getting a fund.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Which is a general good tip for anything in life.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: You know, you should do that in your regular Right.
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: Now, we we're now in a business we know nothing about.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, when you get into that
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: part of it now, right. We opened in May of
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: twenty one, so COVID is still a big thing at
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: that point in time. We're opening an in person facility. Yeah, dude,
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: it was absolutely wild, all the stuff, but like again,
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: he had a vision, he had these things. When we opened,
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: he had twenty maybe maybe ten twenty k left to
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was it was he was like literally
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: like he's not kidding. He's talking about like he had
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: a vision he believed in it, which one hundred percent he did.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: But you know there's a point in howhere he's looking going,
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, dude, Like and insurance is a minimum
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: forty five to sixty day. Wait once you get people
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: in the building right one day.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: Know what I mean?
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: Now you're in a different world before me and Damon
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: are running sober houses.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: Now I think Mari's on.
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: The scene, Steve, Yeah, and we're just going to work.
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: We could talk to the people we're doing room check.
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: Here is this that I now need a medical director,
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: clinical director, I need.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: An l I C. S W. All these letters.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: And you can't put in those positions.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: And and to be honest with you, right, like we
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: our experience, what we know about treatment is the places
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: we've been in. We don't have any you know what
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: I mean when it comes to experience with running that
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: kind of a business, Like you know what I mean,
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: like what we what we took, what what he took,
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: what his vision was to do, what we tried to
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: do throughout over the years, and what he's always done
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: is just put people in a place that know what
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: they're doing, right, No enough to know that. You don't
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: know that. I don't know how to do that. So
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: let me get the right person to do that.
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: All the way till the book ends, like we we
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: had his God.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: Send help me with the plumbing company. We call them
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: Mikey QuickBooks.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: In his first day there, I'm like, what do you
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: think of the office? He goes, Oh, you run a
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: perfect office. If it was nineteen seventy two.
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: Minutes like I got shit on Napkins, I got into back.
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: Oh hey, I don't know what a balance sheet is.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know that.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Should we call Mikey QuickBooks because he essentially introduced QuickBooks
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: to the company for us to.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: So he had to come in and now anything financial
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: with that balance and this that I follow his leap,
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: He tells me what I can spend.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, And I want to point something out here,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: so it should be noted right that if you listen
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: to Maddie's story. So when we get clean, you know,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: typically we get sponsors, right. It doesn't have to be
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: one person. It could be separate persons. They're just people
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: that are mentors. People that we listen to that have
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: come before us, that have you know, experience, and you
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: know that's where you have to put your hands up
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: and say I don't know anything and I want to learn,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: and you do that like with a sponsor, right, But
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: then you have to apply that in life. And you
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: see that with Maddie.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: What was the other kid's name that you grew up
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: with that taught you how to do the budget? Anthony,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: that's a good example. And then you have quick books,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: so you were you had an open mind and you
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: were willing to learn, like I don't know what the
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: fuck I'm doing, teach me, you know, I think that's
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: a really should point that out.
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: You know, we still do it today. I still do
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: it now. Like now I still do it. I'm looking
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: to do some projects somewhere about something it's out of
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: my realm. I know this guy, that's what he does
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: to bring him on, Like you know what I'm saying, dude, do.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: You understand that? You know, for people that are listening
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: to this podcast, like you've you've dropped a lot of
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: gems here, Like your story is really really inspirational, especially
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: if it's somebody that wants to open a business or
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: wants to even save money. You know, it's it's really
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: amazing not to ship in your story, and your story
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: is still coming, Damon, don't worry, but it really is amazing.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: So so okay, so you get the facility. Now you
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: have to get the insurance companies, which is sure. It
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: wasn't easy.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: Well for me, impossible. Damon can wrap his head around
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: that shit better than I can.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: Sure, do you know what I'm saying.
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: So I'm way better at day to day structure in
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: where somebody's supposed to be and what they're supposed to do.
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: Damon is way better at reading an email that has ur.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: L LC blah blah blah. I don't he knows that shit.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: I don't do your job. I'll do my job.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm terrible at like keeping a schedule start
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: like So it's perfect. It's like a marriage made in heaven.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: When it comes to what we do. He keeps me
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: on track and I explained the big words. It's about
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: as simple as that.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a good team. It's gonna make a
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: good team. But so then when I when I came
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: on board, right, you just had one section in Revere
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: of the office.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: And then when I was there, you were like, we're
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: gonna do this and that, tear down this wall. Yeah.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: And then I came back and then it was.
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: All we're currently looking for a place in Revere to
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: grow to. We grew out of the way, yeah, yeah, yes, yeah,
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: see what we did now day one of open.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Wait, did you have to pay to do all the work?
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah? No, the land lets said hey, let me hold you.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: No, I know. So now you're going to move somewhere
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: else after you did all.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: The grown out of it. Man, oh boy. So day
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: one of opening with sitting.
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: In the group room, we don't know how to you
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: have to open these places out of network.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: That's yeah, I don't know.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: It's insurance stuff.
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: Due. Now here's your p PO insurance.
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: That's your cream I have? Okay you oh, you have
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: the best insurance in the world. Okay, did you have
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: that when you were using?
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: Dam right?
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: Actually, when we opened the doors, great story, neither one
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: of us could go to our own place. This is
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: what I was getting your insurance he had at least
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: he had health insurance.
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: Then I'm sitting in the group room and my brothers
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: and the Damon's yeah, I go, let me see your heer,
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: and Scott's Damon, no, Steven, no, Dennis, no.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: Met I go.
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: Guys, Yeah, we don't have good enough insurance to go
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: to our own fucking program.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: We own it. We can't get in here. So my
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: older brother's like, you better fucking fix that right away.
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: This is a why, Like, all right, okay, I don't
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: know what I don't.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Know, and we knew. The other piece of it, just
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: real quick, is that most of the population that we
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: deal with, at least initially and more often than not
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: for quite some time in the Sova houses is the
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: mass health populations, the medicaid populist people. Right, That's who
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: we are. That's who we were then, and so we
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: saw we had a problem.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: So Damon said out.
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: It took us a while, and now I see why
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: people don't deal in mass health because they're a pain
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: in the ball.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: It's brutal.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Is it a pain to get paid?
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: It's a pain for everything. Okay, yeah, it's a pain
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: for everything.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: What do you take mass health?
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: We credentialed with all of mass health, not one that
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: we don't not one that we don't take. Really, So
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: now We've been to live in harmony with PPO insurance
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: all the way to mass health insurance.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: We figured it out because it's HMO p PO.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then all the medicaids. Yes, And you could
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: walk into a place and you wouldn't know the difference
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: between which guy came from mass AVA and which guy
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: came from the corporate office.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: It's wild.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: So you take all insurance every everything, Like, how do
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: you even do that?
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: We find I'm the guy.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, either what do you do? Make phone calls?
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: And it's a lot of work, dude, And again I'm
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: gonna sit in the same thing. He trusts me to
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: do that, but I do the same thing. I pick
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: up the phone because I'm like, I've never negotiated a
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: contract with a billion dollar corporation. Can somebody help me?
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: So you know, you just ask for help and you
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: go through it, you know, and you know.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Holy shit. Yeah, So, how many people does this power
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: recovery hole? Like why like how many day treatment people?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: So, like he said, for for the for the power
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: recovery side, we're dealing with, uh, over three hundred people
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: a day. Wow, census is over three hundred.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: So now you're looking for another place.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: It was three fifty four this morning. Yeah, not that
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: I look.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: So now you're out growing it, So now you have
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: to find a bigger facility.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because not everyone there's not fifty four people in
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: the building at the same time. But like nonetheless, with
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: that much traffic and people coming in in the needs,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: we need to have more space. Very parking, right, parking,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: every bit of it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, he's taking a picture in the middle of the podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they want to know where the hell I am radio?
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  Speaker 1: Do you have to leave?
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  Speaker 3: Can you do the docu sign I sent you?
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm busy business business business.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So Paul Recovery, you're looking for a new bigger,
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  Speaker 1: bigger spots. You're grown.
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  Speaker 2: That's good news. Yeah, that's really good news.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So if anybody got a biggest spot out there
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: in the REBA, are you don't.
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  Speaker 4: Want that wants to donate it or something? Yeah, we'll
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: take donations. Yeah, yeah, any bank that wants to do business,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, God, your your world is you guys' world is because.
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  Speaker 4: It's far didn't know how to do what I'm doing
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: better than me, and I want to meet them people.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: Do you know what I'm saying. I'm hamstrung. I'm like,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: she just mentioned who she interviewing. She's interviewing the president.
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  Speaker 2: President.
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  Speaker 4: If I got a guy like that with his connections
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: and stuff, it's endless what we could do. We've been
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: doing this from our own paychecks, saving up for a
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: down payment, getting some equity, saving up, and it's a
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: slow burn. If I got introduced to real business people,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: sky's the limit.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely know what that may come.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: Maybe, Yeah, Lisa, Lisa did a solid earlier. She said,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: throw me on the guest list. I'm definitely.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you guys are in. Just let me know,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: let me know if you want to go. That's coming
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: up next Wednesday.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be there, Dude, you can count on me. I'm
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: gonna convince him. I'm sure it's not gonna take a
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: lot to you know, it's a it's a multi level
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: thing for us. It's obviously portnoy, local guy who likes
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: you want to talk about making it. But then also
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: obviously like know the event, Lisa supporting you guys, all
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: that stuff.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: It's yeah, we'd love we'd love to have you her
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: book Clubs and Nuts do it. Good Night Live sold out,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: it's crazy, crazy, crazy, all right, man, do we do
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: we miss anything here? We did? We do we do
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: right by you? Do you think on the second half?
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: I think I think that the people find out, yeah, yeah,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: that the they can come. But I think I think
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: he did pretty good. He hit a lot of heavy points.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: I think, just like you said, like if you really
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: bring this whole thing back, like he was smart enough
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: to know way back when that he needed help and
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: and like not only knew that, but then asked like
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: right like and that's like for us when we're talking
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: about like and the things we do, like you know,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: the commercials, all different stuff we talk about, Like, it's
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: literally that in the moment when you're in the middle
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: of it early on and you don't know what to do,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: Like we're offering you an opportunity to just pick up
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: the phone and ask for help. We may not have
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: the answer, I promise you. We know somebody who does.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: That's what I love about you guys, Yeah, because it
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: really is about helping people.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: Right, Well, it's simple. You mentioned sponsorship. My first sponsor
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: was Chip, Right, everybody knows Chip. He's not with us anymore.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Good friend of mine.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: He's the man who taught me in coloon one night,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: I'm sitting there eating with him that driving an unregistered,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: uninsured cop is weighing on my mind.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: I just don't know about it. Life like. Yeah, but
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: your two years sober now, you can't do that. Come
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: to find out, every time a cop pole behind me,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: I would think about it.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: Nowadays, don't care. Now I have another sponsor, Randy. Everybody
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: knows him, loves him. He's the man that teaches me.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: Just because I think it, don't mean I have to
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: do it. You have to do the next right thing.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: You're not responsible for your thoughts, You're responsible for your actions.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: Yes, okay, so you take both waves of that from
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: my infancy till now. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: As a grown up, just because it runs through my head,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: I don't have to think it.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: I don't have to do it or say it. Keep
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: it in your fucking head, stupid, you know what I mean?
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: He still struggles with that hair.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well you know what I mean.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: I mean everyone, Well.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: I am left to my own devices, unchecked and unmanned.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: I got a good idea.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: I will be on a park bench. Yeah, that's the
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: best my brain will get me the same insane.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: Park bench again again. Yeah, it's waiting for you, literally
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: waiting for us. So all right, Maddie, thank you job man,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: it really is and uh you Damon will do you
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: next time?
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: I'm sure I can't wait for this. What's gonna be
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: funny is like you know, Maddie told his story part
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: one and part two and you had like mine. But
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: more importantly, Damon's commentary. Just wait for Maddie's commentary.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we might bring in we might bring in Katie
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: for this one.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: Boy.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, will you please?
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 8: I'm actually Weberg's Oh yeah.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: Right next to you.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: Who's gonna babysit?
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: Huh oh yeah?
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: You got like ten kids?
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's summer time. You want me to bring
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: him in the studio, this place will be upside down?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: Dude, try of trust. I mean I only have two,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: but I understand you for sure. So Damon story is
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: coming up next. Guys, Power of Recovery. People need help.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: What do they have to do?
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: They just reach out at Powerofrecovery dot org or you
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: can call us at eight five seven fifty six power
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: that's eight five seven five six seven six nine three seven.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, they'll be back and you guys be back next month. Yeah,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: so leave it. Talk back. If you have anything you
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: want to say or add, or if you're angry with
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: Maddie for whatever reason, leave a talkback.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah it's easy to be angry at him, so don't
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: be shy.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: I always got to be the bad guy.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: No, it's worked, No, it's worked well for us.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: I'm always the bad guy.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay, it's all right. You guys are a
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: dynamic couple, so leave it. Talk back, and I will
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: be sure to play it back for them next month.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: All right, thank you guys, Bye, everybody, Bye,