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Nano Banana and ChatGPT Group Chats Will Change How We Use AI · In the Loop AI

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Ejaaz: Now, you've all heard of ChatGPT. At some point, everyone's used an AI chatbot now.
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Ejaaz: But what if I told you this week, not one, but two brand new AI tools just dropped
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Ejaaz: that will change the way you interact with AI on a daily basis?
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Ejaaz: The first was released by OpenAI called Group Chats, which, in my opinion,
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Ejaaz: is going to kill iMessage. It's going to change text and group messaging forever.
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Ejaaz: And the second is called NanoBanana Pro, released by none other than Google
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Ejaaz: themselves, their new text-to-image generation model powered by the almighty
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Ejaaz: and all-powerful Gemini Pro 3.
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Ejaaz: There's so much to unpack with these tools, so I want to get right into it.
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Ejaaz: But Josh, I haven't seen you in a while.
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Ejaaz: For context of the listeners, Josh and I have been traveling this entire week,
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Ejaaz: so I haven't caught up with Josh. Josh, like, what's been going on?
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Josh: I've had a really, really good week. A huge week in my life. Very exciting times.
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Josh: I think it's probably time to share with the audience kind of like what's been
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Josh: going on more behind the scenes in my personal life, if that's cool with you.
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Josh: I shared a few photos, but if you don't mind, us walking through them.
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Josh: Okay yeah yeah yeah so um yeah married married this weekend which was really
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Josh: exciting yeah you just i'm not sure if you knew that i am friends with quite
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Josh: a few celebrities um beyonce tom cruise,
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Josh: um josh what the hell yeah is that kendall.
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Ejaaz: Jenner are you
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Josh: Going to congratulate me or are you just going to stare wait.
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Ejaaz: Dude i'm just looking through these pics
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Josh: There's another one yeah down the aisle okay
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Josh: it's a very beautiful wedding very grateful to have people like beyonce around
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Josh: with me leo dicaprio you know all the homies oh you're
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Josh: skipping too far ahead man it's the after party i mean the after
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Josh: party was great was in good company we had uh we had elon sundar
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Josh: tim cook all you know all of the homies they
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Josh: were all just kind of hanging out afterwards talking shop talking about the future
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Josh: of AI and then honeymoon afterwards which was pretty
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Josh: eventful I really enjoyed yeah I went to
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Josh: the beach well you had a good time undisclosed location you know when you roll
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Josh: with high high people like that you can't really talk about what you're doing
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Josh: but also just kidding this is all AI because there's the photo with Elon as
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Josh: well and this is just like so while we were preparing for this episode I was
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Josh: like well let's just try to use nano banana and come up with some dumb, funny stuff.
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Josh: And it works so well. This is a fully AI generated version. Granted,
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Josh: they gave Elon probably a couple more packs on his gut than he really has in person.
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Josh: It looks great. And it's a testament to...
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Josh: Not to scale. It's a testament to how amazing these new AI image generation
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Josh: models are. They are fantastic.
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Josh: This is the official announcement released from Sundar. Nano Banana Pro is out.
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Josh: The images you just saw earlier, those are all done with a single prompt in Nano Banana.
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Josh: We mentioned it in the roundup last week, but I figured it would be good to
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Josh: have an episode about this and
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Josh: the group chats because there's a lot more than I think we spoke about.
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Josh: And as I've used it more, I've started to learn a lot more about the capabilities
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Josh: and it is blowing my mind across the spectrum.
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Josh: One of the things that's unique to the new model is that it's really good at
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Josh: understanding diagrams for some reason. Diagrams is the hot new use case.
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Josh: So we have a lot of examples that we could walk through. One of them is with Notebook LM.
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Josh: This is Google's AI tool that integrates with Nano Banana. And it shows an infographic
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Josh: to a book. So this is an author who posted this.
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Josh: And the author has a story that he tells through the book.
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Josh: So what Notebook does, it ingests the content of the book,
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Josh: turns it into a visual graphic and then
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Josh: plots all of the plot like the plot elements and
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Josh: the characters and the the context all onto a map so you could kind of see how
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Josh: the book is visually and yeah you could keep going through these examples and
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Josh: if you're not listening i highly suggest going to spotify or youtube watching
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Josh: this because the examples are are pretty incredible these are cool yeah you
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Josh: just have you had a chance to play around with this at all the new i i.
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Ejaaz: Actually haven't so this dropped what like three days
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Ejaaz: ago now josh very recently i haven't i've been able to get around to it but
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Ejaaz: i have to say like i i'm comparing this my other checkpoint was with nano banana
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Ejaaz: version one and this is just so much better i mean the fidelity on these things
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Ejaaz: the intricacies of these diagrams like i wish i had these
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Ejaaz: Like the way my mind jumps right now is like, I wish I had these back at school
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Ejaaz: or like high school or college. Yeah.
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Ejaaz: Because this would help me learn things in so many different ways. This is awesome.
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Josh: Wow. It's cool. And if you have a book that you like, you can just upload the
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Josh: book and it will create a full visual diagram, plot line, the whole thing of the book.
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Josh: And it doesn't stop there. There's an example that I saw that I loved,
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Josh: which was for LinkedIn, people who are looking for jobs, people who want to
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Josh: kind of show their career path.
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Josh: This is an infographic trend where you can upload your LinkedIn to Nano Banana
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Josh: and it will create a career path for you. In whatever theme that you want.
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Ejaaz: It's already a better product than LinkedIn, Josh.
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Josh: Oh, yeah, right. How cool is this? So what you're seeing on screen here is like,
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Josh: okay, the person started maybe in high school or college.
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Josh: It shows the railroad track, how they're going through their career.
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Josh: It looks like they're at Google from 2009 to the present.
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Josh: And you could really, you could see in a very fun visual way,
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Josh: all the accomplishments they've done, their kind of journey through their career.
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Josh: It's really, really cool.
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Josh: And in a way, this is a much more exciting LinkedIn resume. And I think it's
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Josh: probably a testament to the new creative unlocks that we'll see as people start
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Josh: to learn more about Nano Banana and understand how it works.
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Josh: Just like how impressively fun it can be across the spectrum.
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Josh: If you're looking for a job, this is a great way to stand out.
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Ejaaz: Josh, what about this? This is insane. So for those of you who are listening,
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Ejaaz: these are all of Josh's friends who, funnily enough, turned up to his fake wedding.
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Ejaaz: I'm actually upset that you aren't actually with Kendall Jenner because you
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Ejaaz: guys are such a great couple in that image.
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Ejaaz: I'm sure many people are gonna give that a go but right now i'm staring at an
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Ejaaz: image of a bunch of celebrities
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Ejaaz: on the rooftop of what looks to be some kind of penthouse apartment building
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Ejaaz: and we have iron man we've got tony stark we've got wolf of wall street leo
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Ejaaz: dicaprio we've got zendaya in in the spider man costume what happened to tom
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Ejaaz: holland we've got um beyonce j-lo so many people what is going on here you know what it is josh um
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Ejaaz: It's so like strikingly accurate. It's way more accurate. It's less fake.
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Ejaaz: Like I'm looking at these and I'm like, you know what? If I was looking at this
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Ejaaz: from afar, this would be totally convincing if this was posted on social media.
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Josh: And this is a one-shot prompt too. This was one prompt. It didn't even list
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Josh: the celebrities. It just asked for celebrities and it gave them all of these.
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Josh: I think one of the fun things that we're starting to see with image generation
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Josh: models is the ability to use people.
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Josh: A lot of these examples, they use actual faces, actual people.
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Josh: And previously that hasn't really been possible in these image gen models.
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Josh: So they're slowly lowering the threshold of what's acceptable,
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Josh: or I guess slowly raising the threshold of what's acceptable in terms of what
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Josh: types of content you could create using these models.
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Josh: And I guess eventually it poses some questions. You said the scary word copyright
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Josh: or trademark or likeness.
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Josh: As you can start to use these more and more with more accuracy,
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Josh: it does feel like a bit of a slippery slope, but I'm loving it because it's
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Josh: just so much fun to play around with.
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Ejaaz: So if you remember when Sora 2, which is OpenAI's text-to-video app,
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Ejaaz: so it's like TikTok, but AI-generated videos, when it first launched,
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Ejaaz: it was using celebrity media to create a bunch of cameos.
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Ejaaz: Do you remember this? I was looking at Jake Paul. I was looking at Tom Cruise.
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Ejaaz: I was looking at a bunch of these celebrities that were looking on our screen
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Ejaaz: right now in a video with me or with my friends. And I was like,
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Ejaaz: whoa, this is strikingly realistic.
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Ejaaz: This is super cool. But eventually they started disabling a bunch of the abilities
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Ejaaz: to cameo with those celebrities because of the copyright things.
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Ejaaz: I'm now wondering how Google is able to kind of pull this off,
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Ejaaz: right? Because I can imagine that some of these celebrities in this picture
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Ejaaz: will be fine with doing that.
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Ejaaz: But other celebrities probably would hate that.
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Ejaaz: So I'm curious how they're going to tread that line as to what's legal and what's illegal here.
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Josh: I really hope they keep their foot on the gas because I'm enjoying this.
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Josh: But EJ, you also mentioned education, learning as ways to learn.
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Josh: There are tons of educational tools here. This one being one of my favorites.
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Josh: The post says, until a few hours ago, creating this kind of scientific image
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Josh: would have required at least an hour of professional work.
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Josh: Now with Nano Banana Pro, it takes a simple prompt and less than 30 seconds.
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Josh: The prompt was described in an illustration the events for a psiotoxic T cell
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Josh: recognizing and killing a cancer cell.
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Josh: And it created this beautiful graphic that very clearly shows how a cell can kill a cancer cell.
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Josh: And I think it's just this really big unlock where particularly if you're a visual learner,
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Josh: you could ask the model to describe to you basically anything you want and it
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Josh: can create these educational visual graphics that used to be only available
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Josh: to people in textbooks and limited in scope to whatever the textbook was talking about.
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Josh: This on the other hand does not. It's fully open-ended and yeah,
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Josh: this is another example here.
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Josh: So on the screen, we're seeing this kind of diagram that shows a horse's mouth and the teeth.
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Josh: And apparently, this is what I just learned today, is that you can determine
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Josh: a horse's age by its teeth.
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Josh: And in a single prompt, it was able to generate a visual guide that shows you
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Josh: on a spectrum how old the horse would be based on what the teeth look like.
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Josh: And I find this so fascinating and so useful because if there's anything you
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Josh: ever wanna learn about, not only can you do it, but you can get a completely
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Josh: high fidelity, high accuracy visual graphic on anything and then share that with the world.
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Josh: So I imagine marketplaces for this could hopefully show up where textbooks now
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Josh: are much more accessible. Visual graphics are much more accessible.
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Josh: Art in general is much more accessible, but just learning and being able to
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Josh: have this visual companion tool is so cool.
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Josh: So Nano Banana Pro, again, this is just like the onion that keeps getting peeled
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Josh: back. There are so many layers to what it's capable of.
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Josh: And as we go, we'll just continue to find more. And I'm loving playing around with it.
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Ejaaz: Yeah, I mean, being such a visual learner myself, I could have really used and
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Ejaaz: will continue to use something like this going forwards when I learn any brand new concept.
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Ejaaz: Like when I was if I go back to the tweet where it's like showing how this T
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Ejaaz: cell kills a cancer cell.
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Ejaaz: I've read so many paragraphs in my grade school literature books,
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Ejaaz: science books explaining how this works. But if I had this kind of like clear,
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Ejaaz: succinct image for every single concept that I didn't understand,
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Ejaaz: I'd probably have done a lot, lot better.
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Ejaaz: So this is super cool. I'm excited about how this kind of like changes performance
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Ejaaz: for kids growing up with AI.
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Ejaaz: It's kind of weird to think that like now any kid being born today will not
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Ejaaz: know what it was like to grow up without having AI as a tool to kind of help them learn things.
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Ejaaz: So this is like really game changing stuff. You may not see it immediately in
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Ejaaz: front of you on TikTok, on social media, but you will see it in the realms of education,
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Ejaaz: kind of work progress, and kind of like building each other's careers up,
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Ejaaz: you know, to reference the example that you used earlier on in their lives. So this is super cool.
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Ejaaz: Josh, how do I get access to something like this?
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Ejaaz: I'm seeing, you know, Google AI Ultra subscribers get access,
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Ejaaz: but is that all? Are there other ways to do this?
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Josh: So if you're a pro subscriber, you get access to it for $20 a month.
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Josh: And what we're seeing here on this post actually is the next
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Josh: extension of nano banana pro because if you're
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Josh: an ultra subscriber and you use the google flow studio you can
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Josh: actually turn these images into videos and all
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Josh: the fun images that we just saw created earlier in the day and if
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Josh: you scroll down a little bit you can see you could generate actual movies
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Josh: with them so none of this stuff that you're seeing on
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Josh: screen is real um it was all generated with an image and then the image was
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Josh: animated so if you want to do like if I wanted to walk down the aisle per se
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Josh: I can generate the aisle image and then have myself walk down the aisle or go
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Josh: swimming in the ocean or whatever it may be because again it has all the image
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Josh: physics real world simulation stuff and I think,
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Josh: What we're seeing is this natural progression between image generation to video
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Josh: generation to 3D modeling to like virtual worlds.
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Josh: And it very much feels like there's a clear trend here. And that's Nano Banana.
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Josh: There's so much fun to be had there. You can make some images,
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Josh: you can animate the images, turn them into movies, graphics,
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Josh: videos, whatever you want.
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Josh: The options are limitless. And this really feels like one of the first times in the world of visuals.
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Josh: Oh yeah, they really messed up my face there.
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Ejaaz: Man. I can't get over this image. Dude, they messed up your face.
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Ejaaz: They messed up your face. Everything else is nailed.
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Josh: They're missing a few apps on the bottom. They could have refined a little bit more.
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Ejaaz: I think so. Listen, Kendall, if you're listening to this, I already know you're
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Ejaaz: listening to this. You look beautiful. We're not hating on you.
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Ejaaz: Feel free to reach out to the podcast if you want to feature on it.
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Josh: Or me if you just want to call me.
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Ejaaz: Yep, yep, yep. If you want to make this a reality, we're all about manifesting realities here.
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Ejaaz: What a crazy tool. I think like aside from social media, this is going to be
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Ejaaz: used for so many other wonderful things.
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Ejaaz: I think people see a tool like this, Josh, and they're kind of like, oh, who cares?
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Ejaaz: A bunch of fake social media misinformation that their minds kind of jump to the negative sense.
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Ejaaz: But I think this is going to be used for a lot of positive good,
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Ejaaz: including manifesting who we're going to marry.
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Josh: So let's get that going. As always, it's a tool. It cuts both ways.
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Josh: But that is not the only cool tool today, EJ. We got another one from OpenAI.
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Ejaaz: Right. Enter my realm. This is the tool I'm most pumped about, Josh.
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Ejaaz: I've been waiting for this for a while because ever since ChatGPT got released,
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Ejaaz: my number one request, aside from memory, was...
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Ejaaz: Can I share these conversations with my friends? Can I have these AI discussions with my friends?
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Ejaaz: And finally, this week, OpenAI announced a feature called Group Chats,
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Ejaaz: which basically allows you to have the same chat GPT conversation that you guys
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Ejaaz: have every day, but invite your friends to collaborate on it.
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Ejaaz: Now, before we go any further, I need to give you guys a breakdown as to what the hell this thing is.
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Ejaaz: So it's basically, it's a new experience that will make it easy for people to
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Ejaaz: collaborate with each other. and ChatGPT.
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Ejaaz: So there's two main key features.
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Ejaaz: Key feature number one is collaborating with your friends and family.
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Ejaaz: So the idea is to bring ChatGPT into the same conversation that you're having
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Ejaaz: in your text messages, in your iMessages, wherever you text with your friends and your family.
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Ejaaz: So some examples of what you can do having ChatGPT in this message context would
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Ejaaz: be things like planning trips.
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Ejaaz: So let's say you're planning a weekend trip and you're talking to friends.
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Ejaaz: You can create a group chat and add ChatGPT to it.
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Ejaaz: And it kind of listens to everything that is said, it can kind of suggest destinations,
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Ejaaz: kind of rule out other options, and stuff like that.
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Ejaaz: But there are also other forms of stuff that you can do with it, Josh.
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Ejaaz: One example is hands on work, which honestly, I could use or benefit a lot from
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Ejaaz: this, which is projects like designing a backyard garden.
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Ejaaz: I have a terrace that is currently unadorned with furniture.
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Ejaaz: And I'm like, how the hell do I figure out what this looks like,
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Ejaaz: I can just take a picture, put it in a group chat with my girlfriend.
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Ejaaz: And I can discuss kind of like what kinds of furniture preferences we like,
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Ejaaz: where we want to put furniture, what kind of size dimensions,
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Ejaaz: where should we order it from? How long is it going to take?
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Ejaaz: Stuff like that. And AI can just kind of like outsource. I can outsource all of that to ChatGPT.
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Ejaaz: And the final part, Josh, I don't know if you have any siblings.
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Ejaaz: I have a sister. We argue all the time about a bunch of decisions that we're
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Ejaaz: going to do for the family.
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Ejaaz: Group decisions. I can now add ChatGPT and prove to her that I'm right about
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Ejaaz: most things here, right?
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Ejaaz: But all jokes aside, I think this is a really cool feature in the sense that
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Ejaaz: it's going to help people in general be way more productive.
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Ejaaz: And the way I kind of look at it is rather than me kind of like having this
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Ejaaz: siloed app that I use that I speak and communicate with different people and
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Ejaaz: then going to ChatGPT to kind of fact check things, this should all be one thing completely.
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Ejaaz: And so I'm all for this. And I think it's a really smart move from OpenAI because
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Ejaaz: they're just going to get so much more data on everyone's behavioral habits,
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Ejaaz: which is going to lead to just better products coming out of them.
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Ejaaz: I mean, there's a reason why you and I keep using OpenAI products.
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Ejaaz: It's because they've tied that bow on the product loop so well.
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Ejaaz: And this is just another example.
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Josh: Oh, what a great growth hack. I really, I really believe that Meta probably
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Josh: envies this strongly because they have the whole community, they have the ecosystem,
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Josh: They just never paired them together.
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Josh: And what an amazing growth hack because so much of the conversation that doesn't
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Josh: happen on social media, it happens in group chats.
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Josh: Group chats are the biggest way that people really communicate.
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Josh: And by integrating AI into that, it's such a powerful unlock.
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Josh: And for people who aren't familiar, previously, if you wanted to share a conversation
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Josh: that you had in chat GPT with a friend, you had to share the whole conversation that you had.
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Josh: And then they could open it up and they can fork it and they could create their
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Josh: own conversation from it. But it wasn't a very collaborative thing.
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Josh: It was very one-sided, read-only.
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Josh: This bakes it into the entire process. So if you have friends who all have ChatGPT,
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Josh: because now there's probably a billion weekly active users.
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Josh: So my guess is at least a couple of them already have it. You just add them to the app.
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Josh: You guys can chat. You have the best assistant in the world.
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Josh: I assume there's going to be a world in which it can collect multiple email
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Josh: addresses, calendars, sync up events that you want to do, check when everyone's
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Josh: free without sharing when everyone's free and create times that everyone can hang out.
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Josh: There's just this hugely powerful unlock that happens as group chats evolve in ChatGPT.
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Josh: And as I'm going through this, I'm like, okay, well, Meta should have done this.
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Josh: Apple should have done this.
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Josh: Google i don't know if google could have done it but those are the top two but
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Josh: it just leaves me like man this was this was low-hanging fruit and again like
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Josh: you said ejaz another product with another viral loop that will get open ai
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Josh: and chat gpt way more users way
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Josh: more stickiness just continuing to pile on the value into this app yeah.
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Ejaaz: I couldn't agree more they're just like that they're hitting repeated home runs
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Ejaaz: out the park um the if you're wondering you know how the hell do you get access
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Ejaaz: to this it's available to you right now free pro uh premium whatever all the
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Ejaaz: plans are, you have access to it.
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Ejaaz: Simply go to any conversation that you've started with ChatGPT and on the top
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Ejaaz: right hand side, you're going to see a people icon with a plus sign.
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Ejaaz: If you tap that, you'll get a shareable link that you can share with up to 20
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Ejaaz: friends or you can invite up to 20 friends to your conversation.
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Ejaaz: And what it does is it creates a copy of that conversation into another version of that conversation.
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Ejaaz: It's like one-to-one, but you have a private version where you've started that
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Ejaaz: conversation, then you have the other one where it has all your friends.
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Ejaaz: And it separates the information between the two.
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Ejaaz: So I can imagine some of the worries that people have is like,
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Ejaaz: well, I have a lot of personal information that I've shared with ChatGPT that
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Ejaaz: I don't want my friends to know about.
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Ejaaz: So is it going to share certain memories that it has about me with my friends?
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Ejaaz: It's complete privacy. These are two separate databases. This is just to help
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Ejaaz: you kind of interact with your friends more and create something cool.
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Ejaaz: Josh, another really cool part about this that I haven't seen too many people
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Ejaaz: talk about is in order to enable this feature,
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Ejaaz: the OpenAI team built some very specific social behaviors for ChatGPT to interact
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Ejaaz: with people in the group chat.
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Ejaaz: So I'll give you an example. So typically, it's been taught to just,
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Ejaaz: you know, kind of keep quiet, don't interrupt too much.
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Ejaaz: It interrupts only when it thinks it can have a useful kind of suggestion,
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Ejaaz: or when it's kind of like prompted.
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Ejaaz: So you can add ChatGPT in any kind of response that you have to your friends
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Ejaaz: to kind of prompt it to say something.
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Ejaaz: But otherwise, it might just kind of like, but in here and there.
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Ejaaz: Another really cool thing, Josh, is that it emoji reacts to people's messages,
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Ejaaz: just like a real person would. So if it kind of like agrees with you,
18:43
Ejaaz: if it agrees with you, but it doesn't necessarily want to be like,
18:46
Ejaaz: hey, Josh, that's a fantastic suggestion, just gives you a thumbs up or might give you a winky face.
18:50
Ejaaz: I don't I don't know, but it kind of interacts like a real human being.
18:54
Ejaaz: You can kind of tweak its personality depending and it evolves with the group conversation.
18:59
Ejaaz: Let's say, you know, it's a group chat with the boys and it's a bit more banterist.
19:02
Ejaaz: It'll kind of adjust to that versus if it's kind of like a more kind of like
19:05
Ejaaz: tame thing with the family, it'll adjust to that. It'll be more respectful.
19:09
Ejaaz: It also has access to your profile and your profile pictures.
19:13
Ejaaz: So let's say you want to say, hey, guys, it's Christmas time.
19:17
Ejaaz: We're planning a big party.
19:19
Ejaaz: I can't wait for this, guys. I'm so excited. Christmas is my favorite holiday ever.
19:23
Ejaaz: You know, you might wake up the next day with the Josh profile picture with
19:27
Ejaaz: a Santa Claus hat or Ejaz wearing an elf costume.
19:29
Ejaaz: You know, it has fun. It has this personable kind of like friend,
19:34
Ejaaz: but it's not really real kind of vibe going about it, which I thought was,
19:38
Ejaaz: again, to tie in the product group, very good at kind of getting people to be
19:42
Ejaaz: at ease with AI and give up their information.
19:44
Josh: Yeah. It's a lot of data too, man. Like the amount of extra personal data you'll
19:49
Josh: collect on and everybody is massive. And you could start to create this network.
19:53
Josh: Like they're starting to build an actual social network where you can get these
19:56
Josh: nodes on a graph. You could see how they relate to each other,
19:57
Josh: who talks to who about what.
19:59
Josh: I'm curious what role that played in the decision to actually make this a reality.
20:03
Josh: Outside of the social flywheel. This is also a data collection flywheel and
20:07
Josh: it puts them in a really good spot.
20:08
Josh: But I have to ask myself the question is, am I going to use this?
20:12
Josh: Ejaz, are you going to use this? Like, is this actually strong enough to get you to leave?
20:15
Ejaaz: Okay. So here is my killer thesis behind this. And I specifically use the word killer here.
20:22
Ejaaz: If this plays out and it is a good enough product, right?
20:26
Ejaaz: I don't see why you wouldn't use this over something like iMessage.
20:31
Ejaaz: Or wherever you text with people. Because in my opinion, if I can speak to my
20:35
Ejaaz: friend, everyone, like you said, you've got almost probably a billion weekly
20:38
Ejaaz: active users of ChatGPT.
20:40
Ejaaz: A bunch of my friends already use it. I would rather have a text chat with them
20:44
Ejaaz: with an AI in there, which can verify links that are posted in there,
20:48
Ejaaz: which has an entire memory and context on our entire conversation.
20:51
Ejaaz: So it can bring up text that someone's mentioned in the past to prove a point
20:54
Ejaaz: or to kind of like share kind of knowledgeable information.
20:57
Ejaaz: And just to be that better kind of like wise man in the group chat,
21:01
Ejaaz: Why wouldn't I use something like that?
21:02
Ejaaz: That sounds like a much better user experience than me typing random text and
21:07
Ejaaz: scrolling and searching for the names that I'm looking for, right?
21:09
Ejaaz: I think it's a much better experience.
21:11
Ejaaz: I think this eventually kills iMessage. Like, why wouldn't Apple be shaking right now?
21:15
Josh: Yeah iMessage it's really so sticky i really love iMessage and we always talk
21:20
Josh: about the moats that apple has one of them being the blue the blue dots when
21:23
Josh: you're texting people the blue bubbles um they have a few moats though that
21:28
Josh: are starting to fall and this is slightly unrelated but i wanted to bring it
21:31
Josh: up this week which is android and google's new rollout of.
21:35
Josh: Airdrop which is weird because when i say airdrop yeah so airdrop like the way
21:39
Josh: that you it's the best feature in the world if you have a file on one of your
21:43
Josh: apple devices and you want to get it to another one of either yours or a friend's
21:46
Josh: Apple device, you can just airdrop it.
21:48
Josh: And using some magic wireless technology, it just shows up on their phone so
21:52
Josh: long as you are in close proximity to them.
21:54
Josh: And this is normally how, like when we hang out, this is how we transfer photos.
21:57
Josh: It's quick, it's high fidelity.
21:59
Josh: It just transfers raw files, huge amounts of data. It is an amazing feature
22:03
Josh: exclusive to Apple. Well, Google just this week,
22:07
Josh: They rolled out airdrop support for iOS, which is really weird because Apple
22:12
Josh: certainly doesn't want that to happen.
22:14
Josh: And it appears as if they reverse engineered Apple's airdrop function,
22:18
Josh: and they figured out how to create a companion that is compatible with the Apple
22:23
Josh: airdrop functionality.
22:24
Josh: And to me, this signals one of two things.
22:27
Josh: One is that Apple's monopoly on these things that keep the ecosystem sticky is starting to fall.
22:35
Josh: First, it was the rich text messaging where you could actually send Android
22:39
Josh: users emojis and you could send photos in true resolution.
22:44
Josh: Now it's an airdrop feature that's getting emulated. If they can figure out
22:48
Josh: how to airdrop, maybe they can figure out how to emulate blue bubbles.
22:51
Josh: And this comes against the backdrop of antiretron lawsuits that have been continuously
22:55
Josh: happening of Apple's kind of restrictive...
22:59
Josh: Ideologies and capabilities when it comes to keeping people locked into their platform.
23:03
Josh: So Apple kind of has two options. One, they either lean into it and they just
23:07
Josh: suck it up and they take that blow.
23:08
Josh: I suspect that's not going to happen too, is that they're probably going to
23:10
Josh: cut this off and say, no, you cannot do this.
23:13
Josh: But in the case they do, well, then they get into antitrust trouble and you
23:16
Josh: don't know what kind of rabbit hole that's going to go down.
23:18
Josh: So there is this monopoly on Apple that's starting to be attacked pretty directly.
23:23
Josh: And I wonder if that's going to further enhance the flywheel,
23:26
Josh: the social effects of people wanting to use alternatives like ChatGPT's group chats or even like XAI.
23:34
Josh: EJS, I don't know if you saw the new X chat feature that rolled out recently. They have chat.
23:37
Josh: They're one button away from rolling rock into those and you could create group
23:41
Josh: chats and like there is going to be a lot of competition.
23:44
Josh: And what we're finding is, EJS, we always talk about this, but AI is going to be everywhere.
23:49
Josh: And if you could build a stack that meets people where they are and integrates
23:53
Josh: AI faster and better than anybody else and get those users locked in early,
23:56
Josh: this is the race that's being played. and JackGPT made a big move this week.
24:00
Josh: It's true. And dropping group chats.
24:01
Josh: So I don't know if I'm going to race to have a group chat, but we should spin
24:05
Josh: one up and try it and play around with it and see how much we really like it.
24:09
Ejaaz: I'm down. I'm going to start one right after this episode. I was just thinking
24:13
Ejaaz: the counter argument would be like, I just don't see Apple sitting around and
24:18
Ejaaz: letting this happen to them, right?
24:19
Ejaaz: They signed that deal recently with Google to get their custom-made Gemini model
24:26
Ejaaz: made specifically for Apple.
24:28
Ejaaz: Into Siri and into their iOS, which means that we're going to have an Apple
24:32
Ejaaz: AI in Siri sometime in 2026.
24:35
Ejaaz: And I can imagine that that's probably going to be available in the text feature as well.
24:40
Ejaaz: So I can't imagine Apple's going to sit around, but they are very much on the back foot right now.
24:45
Ejaaz: And it's not looking great when you have companies like XAI,
24:49
Ejaaz: Grok, and OpenAI with group chats kind of pushing aggressively into the social
24:54
Ejaaz: realm. Like this is the first time, if you think about it,
24:57
Ejaaz: My interaction with ChatGPT has been very one-on-one, right?
25:00
Ejaaz: It's kind of very siloed.
25:01
Ejaaz: And now they're kind of tapping into the social graph where not only am I just
25:05
Ejaaz: kind of using ChatGPT to get information, and it does it in a really reliable way.
25:09
Ejaaz: I would say I spent about 40% of my internet browsing time on ChatGPT.
25:14
Ejaaz: Now it's tapping into my social arc, Josh.
25:16
Ejaaz: Now it's tapping into personal information. Now it's tapping into my leisure and my joy.
25:21
Ejaaz: It's going to know about my jokes that I make. It might make me laugh. I don't know.
25:24
Ejaaz: It might react like, you know, with a smiley emoji to my joke and I might feel good about it.
25:29
Ejaaz: So it's a really interesting kind of realm and it's so weird to think about.
25:32
Ejaaz: I don't know what it's going to look like. Meta is definitely fuming.
25:35
Ejaaz: Meta is definitely angry that they didn't do something like this.
25:38
Josh: Well, it seems like everybody's fuming. Everyone just like, everyone's competing.
25:41
Josh: It's so hyper competitive. Everyone wants to win.
25:43
Josh: Apple is one good update away from breaking this mold and just keeping us locked in.
25:48
Josh: So while Apple always moves the slowest and normally the best,
25:51
Josh: they are going to need to have some urgency before they really just lose this
25:55
Josh: moat. So I'm hopeful for some new updates.
25:57
Josh: This is not the end of the group chat.
25:59
Josh: This may be the beginning of the AI group chat, but this is certainly only step
26:02
Josh: one in the journey. But that's it.
26:04
Josh: That is two cool tools that released this week that are really, really cool.
26:09
Josh: Like we're getting some good stuff fairly quickly.
26:11
Josh: I would encourage everyone to try them out. Let us know what you think.
26:15
Josh: In particular, I want your Nano Banana Pro prompts.
26:18
Josh: I want to know the cool prompts that you're using to make these fun types of
26:22
Josh: images, whether it be, you know, walking down the aisle with someone or just
26:26
Josh: a really cool graphic or whatever.
26:28
Josh: Because again, it's just creativity constraints. So if you could come up with
26:30
Josh: a good prompt, let us know, share it, share it with your friends,
26:33
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26:36
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26:48
Josh: So yeah, that's it. That's all we got. Go try them out, test it out,
26:51
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26:52
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26:55
Josh: see you guys on the next episode see you guys for watching peace.