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Jeron Dooling | The Christian Reeve Podcast | #49 · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  On hello and welcome to another episode of the Christian brief
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  podcast. Today's guest is an improviser,
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  he's a performer and stand-up comedian, all the way from Tampa
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  Florida. Please welcome, Jaron dueling to
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  the show. How you doing?
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  I'm doing well, thank you so much for having me.
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  No worries, though. Always, thank you for agreeing
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  to be on the show. I realized, then I just said,
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  please welcome to the show as if there's a fucking audience here.
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  But there's not, maybe I hope there's an audit.
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  Maybe there's an audience in my head, who knows?
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  Anyway, visualization is very important if you spend enough
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  time on your own, you know, anything can be possible in your
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  head, you know me, oh my God, oh my God Vienna, let's jump
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  straight into this. I was kind of intrigued because
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  as soon as I looked up what you do, I realized I'd actually seen
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  something a little bit similar when I was at University and now
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  I'll briefly explain them when I was at Uni there.
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  A little events that I used to sometimes go to with my former
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  partner and we were basically watch these people get up on a
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  stage from all different years of the university and improvised
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  and it was, you know, similar to Whose Line Is It Anyway or shows
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  like that. And you know, I mean, it was
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  hilarious, I love comedy. This big thing obviously in
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  Britain, but I was always kind of particularly impressed by
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  improved because while they do kind of come in, And you know,
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  your improv Riff Off the audience and everything, you do
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  have like a little bit of a form, a little bit of an idea of
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  what you're doing going into it. But you would always noticed
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  that some people would be really strong at it.
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  Some people newer, not as confident with it, you know,
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  it's practice, right? But I really do admire it
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  because it's that sort of thing that it's it's a very, I would
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  say its own skill and within the context of Comedy, you know,
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  many comedians are revered and people were like, are they?
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  May's in the so funny but what they don't realize fans don't
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  realize, is that a lot of work process is planning goes into
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  creating that but actually if you put those same people in a
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  improv scenario maybe they're not that very that funny.
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  You know I mean we have a show in the UK is still going but
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  back in the day it was really popular was called mock the week
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  like a panel show and there was all these different comedians,
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  some from the UK, some from the US all around and it followed
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  like a similar. Format to Whose Line Is It
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  Anyway, but they would focus on a British news or world news or
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  whatever. Anyways, there are a couple of
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  rounds. I'll try to get to the point.
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  So there is a couple of rounds where it was purely improve.
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  So you get a thing like where you put something on like a the
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  banner behind them. Like I don't know unlikely small
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  ads and then they will have to come forward and kind of Riff
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  and throw ideas out. And that's when you would
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  discover, who is really good at improv and who is like, you
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  know, planning their show six months ahead.
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  When they do understand of sauce right there, anyway bringing
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  that back to you. You are part of a four person is
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  described as a long form improv team based in Tampa Florida and
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  you're known as daytime delusions.
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  Tell us a little bit about how this group was formed and how
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  you got into improv and Performing.
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  It's all a very interesting story because it's so unlikely.
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  And it's so based on The butterfly effect I guess you
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  would say because similar to you I was I was in college.
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  I think it was my third year so very late in the game and still
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  wanting to reach out, wanting to make more friends and work on my
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  social skills. I have this sort of very
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  monotone voice when I speak a lot of the time.
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  And I think that just makes people think I'm uninterested in
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  what they have to say, but I guess when I say wow, that's
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  really interesting. Could you please tell me more?
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  I'm completely synthetic. Brilliant.
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  So I I pushed myself like, to go out of my shell first day of the
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  new semester was a Monday, they have their Monday improv meeting
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  at a organizations, through an organization.
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  It was called improv at USF, which is the the university I
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  went to and I go in and it's a beautiful teaching and learning
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  environment participation was voluntary.
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  So I got to sort of sit back for a little bit.
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  See the game speed done by the more experienced players and
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  then you stick your hand up you go up there There.
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  And I was so desperate to win the approval of this whole new
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  group of people that I gave my all that semester, it's just
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  learning improv, I was studying, who is lying?
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  I was looking back at sketch comedy from shows, like, SNL or
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  Monty Python and trying to reverse engineer.
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  Well, what was the game of this scene?
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  Okay. What's the one joke that they
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  Heap hitting that really makes it work and the student
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  organization teaches short form improv which are games very To
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  Whose Line Is It. Anyway, if you've seen games,
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  like a new decision, where somebody says, change the last
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  thing you did, and then you have to improvise a new thing in the
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  scene keeps going. Yeah, I'm sample of short form.
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  Yeah. I've seen people do that on
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  stage, that looks really difficult.
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  Oh, it's brilliant because you'll get people whose brain
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  sort of works where it's like, oh, I need to go to my car.
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  And then you say, change in there.
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  Like, I need to stay home change.
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  I need to feed the fish. And it's like, once you get to
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  that third or fourth thing, you've run out of opposites, are
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  antonyms to work with. There was a student showcase
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  coming up and it was sort of an opportunity to win the attention
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  of the older members in the club.
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  So I went to three people in particular, who had a very good
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  Friday meeting at this club. And I said, do you want to be on
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  my team? Like we gotta practice once and
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  then we're good to go. Do you want to be on my team?
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  So we, the three of us. It was a me, my friend, Dan who
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  is currently in daytime delusions, with me, our friend,
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  Chris, and our friend Andrew. And so I Drove like a madman one
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  day from work. I got off work at 7:00, the show
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  started at 7:00. So I pull up at 7:45, to the
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  university lecture hall where we're performing, and I'm
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  running in changing out of my work, uniform, running up the
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  stairs, do our performance and luckily it was a great one.
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  And so later that semester, I believe it was a December.
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  We're sort of walking myself and Dan with the president of the
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  club, at the time, our friend Kara, who was the third man?
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  Member of this team and she says, hey, you know, we usually
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  we send a couple teams from our club to this competition in
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  Sarasota. It's really just like a fun day
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  trip and it's great to see other teams in the local area.
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  FGCU sends team Noob College of Tampa, a lot of teams from
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  Georgia actually. So we have people coming that
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  far down for this competition and we go we're just treating it
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  like a very fun day trip and over the time that we've agreed
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  to be day time to lose With myself, Dan Kara and Kimmy, who
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  was our fourth member, we all experienced, like, some personal
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  hardships at this time and we were stressed out with school.
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  We were dealing with career decisions and things.
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  Looming, very large in the future for a young 20-something
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  and that turmoil sort of brought us all close together in a way
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  that really are. I think our bond became the most
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  evident thing about our improv. Mmm.
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  And so, we perform at this college improve tournament in
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  Sarasota, and we make it to the finals, and we're all losing our
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  minds and we go out, and we're very quickly, like practicing
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  silently. And we started this tradition
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  there. Where, before we go on stage for
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  a show, we play a compliment game and it sounds cheesy.
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  But it's we get in a circle and every person has to say
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  something nice about everybody else.
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  And then we cry, I'd say 75% of the time when we do that and
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  then we went out on stage. And we won the finals and then
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  suddenly we went from being like this very casual arrangement of
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  friends who bonded over hardship to.
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  We are southeastern regional Champion improv team and we have
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  to know Finance the trip for ourselves to go to Nationals in
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  Chicago in March. Wow.
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  So okay. I didn't I didn't know that did.
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  There's this whole got competition element to this.
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  I mean Like I've always kind of Presumed you know if there is
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  like a business or career to this, I don't know how to
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  exactly to frame this but you know what I'm getting at right?
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  I give this is something what you want to pursue in life then
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  I kind of figured that it's like something where you start with
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  this, then maybe you work towards like, you know, like a
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  sketch show or something and then you go that way, right?
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  I didn't realize there's like a competitive element to this
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  where you can actually compete. I mean, that's it is very
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  interesting because one of the first things somebody in the
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  Told me was I was like man I love improv.
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  Like if I could get paid to do this I absolutely.
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  Would they say nobody gets paid to do improv and I was like,
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  well that's it seems kind of reductive when you put it that
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  way like surely there's got to be some Avenue for this and I
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  think in recent years that Avenue was kind of widening
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  because we have a more mainstream popularity.
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  I think middle kitchens Schwartz on.
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  Netflix is getting a lot of play, it just like that person.
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  I mean, they must just be a really negative person.
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  Cuz like and also they might they must not be very clued up
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  because okay, I wouldn't profess to be an expert on Comedy or
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  improv, but like as soon as I looked into you, the first thing
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  I thought of was Whose Line Is It?
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  Anyway, it's like a very unique format for a comedy show and the
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  whole thing is improv, you know, I mean, there's people go up on
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  that stage and they're given I guess you could call it cues if
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  you like, you know, stuff to work with, but essentially it's
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  like makeup make a show out of this is essentially the thing.
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  You're really spinning straw into gold a lot of the time and
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  there's, there's this this dichotomy or this breakdown.
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  I think between the opinion of improv for people who call
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  themselves improvisers and the opinion of improv of the
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  consumer or the authorized. Yeah because Whose Line Is It.
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  Anyway, is a very popular show but it's almost entirely.
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  Short form games and they even do survive.
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  Okay, prop, comedy in there sometime and there's this weird
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  phenomenon where I think people in the improve Community as a
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  whole at least from what I've experienced.
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  In my very small neck of the woods.
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  They sort of look down on short form because there's this belief
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  that if you have the same game and you're going to audiences
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  audiences, have that Family Feud mentality where they're going to
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  give you the same sort of suggestions over and over.
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  So, okay, I can't tell you. The number of shows, I've been
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  to were playing a game called world's worst, which is just you
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  give a profession and then you a cadell what sort of the worst
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  iteration of that is and the number of times you hear
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  gynecologist is astounding to the point where you see it and
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  you go, oh boy here at the same for gynaecology jokes over and
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  over, but in my personal opinion I think short form can be every
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  bit as divert to Virgin as long form and it's all about how you
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  Utilize your personal experience, they call it using
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  the flash, I think in UCB improv.
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  The first thing that comes to your head that you relate
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  personally to your suggestion, is something that nobody else
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  can do because that's your experience.
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  And bringing that to improv is really what sets you apart, I
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  think, well, tokus a bit more fruit long form than what, how
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  exactly, obviously it kind of implies that it's longer, but
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  like, what is the actual key difference between long form
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  compared to Short? Long-form.
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  Whenever I have to explain it to a family member or somebody
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  who's, like, well what do you do in prove?
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  What is that mean? I tell them, it's sort of like
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  you're going to see a play where the actors don't have a script
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  and they don't know what the play is about.
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  And they don't know who the characters are and till they
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  make them. And there's really a improv is
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  an art form and there's different styles to it, there's
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  there's a you can do long form as the herald you can do.
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  On form as an extension of short-form games.
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  There's a game that some members of improv at USF turned into
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  their own form of long form, which is a game called my movie
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  where you, you sort of line, everybody up.
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  You say my movie, my movie, my movie, pick somebody, they give
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  you an improvised movie title. If the director wants more, they
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  said, ask for a tagline and then you act out a scene from that
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  and then in the short film version of that game, you
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  usually get a couple lines into the scene, find a joke and then
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  cut it there. In the adapted, long-form
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  version that came out of our club.
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  There is all four people join in the scene and then they don't
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  stop, they can act out entire storyline that can take up to 20
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  minutes. Is usually the standard for The
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  Improv ausf style of long form. But there are cases where you
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  can go 30 minutes to an hour to be considered long form of just
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  improvising. So it's a combination of kind of
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  Almost like creating a narrative that you guys can work with.
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  And also, yeah, just a longer extended version of what you
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  would normally do I think I've injected a bit of my personal
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  bias and to my explanation as well.
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  Because I personally, my, my team and I think improv at USF,
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  it would be fair to say, we favored a narrative in our game
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  and Mom form, which is an appreciation of the arc that the
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  character goes on like what is gained or learned throughout
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  this. And in a lot of the other
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  improve resources that I've studied a lot of the Improv that
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  I saw in Chicago, when we went for competition is more focused
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  on the concept of the game. The the the one unusual thing.
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  Usually, the first unusual thing that happens in a long form seen
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  that is then explored. So they go from saying yes and
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  two if then if this one unusual thing is true then what else is
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  true and sort of exploring and heightening that until you get
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  to these. Situations, which are in here
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  funny. I think I've seen something
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  similar to this. I could be wrong.
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  So, apologies if I am, but I remember seeing one particular
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  game and I know they've done this on Whose Line Is It Anyway
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  as well. But I remember seeing these guys
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  performing on stage and they did a thing, it was like, you know,
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  house party thing where someone is in the house, you know,
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  whatever and then people coming in one by one and they show to
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  the audience who their character is supposed to be And the whole
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  idea is that the person in the house has to guess who that
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  person is based on this weird action that this person is
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  doing, or maybe they're saying a really weird word or something
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  like that. And I guess what I'm saying is
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  it would that be considered long form in the sense that it, you
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  know, it extends over a long period of time and also there's
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  like development of the character interactions between
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  each other as well. Would that be fair to say?
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  Yeah, if you play that particular game, I believe we
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  called it. Cocktail party in our club.
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  And there's also variations on that where instead of these
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  people just having random characteristics, they can be
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  superheroes and you have to figure out what their powers are
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  basically by how they're acting in the scene.
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  I think it would be considered a short-form game because there is
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  an objective of figuring out who each of these people is and
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  they've been given that suggestion by the audience, but
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  that there that's actually a very interesting subset of short
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  form games, which involve guessing which are inherently a
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  little bit more difficult than some of the games we play in the
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  club. Okay?
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  All right. Awesome.
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  So m, is your because this is another element to this is what
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  is it? A purely comedy based improv
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  thing that you're doing because when you when I went on your
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  Facebook page and I looked up and, you know, it was described
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  as kind of improv and performance art theater.
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  So I kind of thought, like, okay, is there maybe like more
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  serious element to this as well or is this, you know, pure
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  comedy like what's the deal there?
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  The I would say that it can be. Comedy.
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  And I'm going to try to take this from the top.
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  I would say that it can be either both and they can sort of
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  slide back between each other. That the goal usually from an
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  audience perspective, when you're coming to an improv show
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  is that you want to laugh? But if the premise that we've
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  given and the character that has been established and who is
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  going on their Journey throughout this If that takes a
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  more sincere turn or if that takes more of a dramatic turn,
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  it wouldn't be improv for us to try and steer it in the
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  direction of being funny. Again, we're really just getting
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  the audience's hand in setting up the pieces and then trying to
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  move them as realistically as possible by inhabiting those
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  characters, and playing to the top of our intelligence reacting
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  as we would, if we were that person.
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  Okay, cool, cool. What would you say are the
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  biggest challenges in terms of putting together improv shows
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  and also performing as well? Putting together in terms of
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  organizing a sort of. Yeah.
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  Okay, let's break up this. Let's start with that first.
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  Yeah, that just putting together the shows and planning, and
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  everything. Obviously, you're a team so that
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  makes it a little bit easier but like yeah, how does that work
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  for me? This is a part that I enjoy very
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  much is the organization of it. All.
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  It's sort of, we had to organize a fundraiser for Chicago.
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  So I went to a friend who had a diner essentially and I said,
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  well, you know, it could be It's out your diner for the night.
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  We'll put a stage in there. Will will do all.
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  This will do. That will do that.
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  And I very much enjoy the process of going.
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  Okay, well, we want to put on a show.
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  We need a stage, we need sponsors, we need to establish
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  ticket prices. We need to advertise and sort of
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  breaking those up by jobs and then delegating I think if
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  anybody listening was interested in trying to set up performance
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  spaces for themselves or their friends, I would say the most
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  important aspect of that is your connections is knowing who you
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  Have in your bench that can provide you with exactly what
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  and bring that all together, and definitely showing appreciation
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  for those people as well. That's the most important part
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  of it. And then moving on to performing
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  improv, the most difficult part of that is definitely sort of I
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  wouldn't say fighting your instincts.
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  I would say that there is probably a few people out there
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  who innately have aspects of their personality that help with
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  yes and anger, help with doing improv.
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  But when you're just starting out, there's a lot of
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  quote-unquote rules that you have to internalize until you do
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  them without noticing. Because if somebody were to walk
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  up to you, in everyday life and try to begin a scene, you would
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  you would react as yourself being like, no.
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  And then The Scene goes nowhere from there.
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  You, sort of have to give yourself over to it, and you
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  have to be comfortable with the amount of time, it takes to
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  improve this skill. I think, you know what you're
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  commenting on as well, as is kind of just a normal facet of
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  comedy in general, that kind of thing of characters acting
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  absurd, because that's like, immediately funny straight away
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  because it's not like real, like it is like real life and it's
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  not like sometimes you look at a character and you're like, I've
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  met someone like that. I have an uncle like that.
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  I have this person like that and sometimes it's like you know,
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  just making fun of maybe the seriousness of life or you know,
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  just injecting some well-needed absurdity into it.
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  I get I get what you're trying to say and like I do I just I
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  yeah I did. Yeah, it's cool.
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  There's a lot of focus in others, sort of improv schools
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  is sort of the New York of the California and the Chicago I
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  think are the main ones and There's a lot of concern but
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  they have with establishing based reality, which is in order
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  for us to know what's different or absurd.
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  We need to know what's common place for this world.
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  So if you just come in throwing all this stuff out there, we're
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  not going to know what's normal in your partner's, not going to
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  know what we're to react to. But one of the things that I
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  enjoy about the way I learned improv, the people who taught me
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  and the way I continue to do it is that we very much aren't
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  afraid of that absurdity. The way we generate audience
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  suggestions for our team as we ask anything that you remember
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  from a dream recently. So we've generated suggestions
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  like flying through Home Depot. Donald Duck, a fish vaping, I
• 21:03
  think was one of them and that ended up turning into a lovely
• 21:06
  scene where I was a fish who Vaped pure oxygen to walk around
• 21:09
  on land and I don't think you would get to those scenarios in
• 21:13
  20 minutes as fast if you were pursuing a more grounded form of
• 21:18
  it. How, how else do the schools of
• 21:21
  thought different in different states than all I what's, what's
• 21:25
  unique about? The Florida kind of mentality
• 21:27
  compared to other states. I have not, unfortunately
• 21:33
  attended, very many improve schools in Florida.
• 21:36
  I, we have sort of a few main ones, but the from what I've
• 21:40
  seen, just from going to show, is that these different
• 21:42
  theaters. Is that Florida.
• 21:45
  Improv is very I want to say good, it was the best, it's
• 21:53
  always entertaining because I watched some improv that is
• 21:58
  essentially an improvised dramatic play and while that's
• 22:01
  all very good and it sticks, very true to the rules and the
• 22:05
  precepts of improv I very much enjoy seeing the people of
• 22:09
  Florida who are willing to embody, strange characters and
• 22:14
  creatures and sort of lean into, I think the Option people have
• 22:19
  for Floridians which is we are these wacky and wild Swamp
• 22:23
  People? Yeah I mean when it comes just
• 22:28
  on a side note here well guess what was going on in Florida?
• 22:33
  Like what why do I always see? Every time there's a crazy new
• 22:36
  story, it's like Florida man. Does this Florida man?
• 22:39
  Does that the boring answer is that I think are laws about
• 22:43
  sharing information about arrests are more relaxed than in
• 22:47
  other states. So for example, I think a state
• 22:50
  with similar rules to ours is main so you can find a lot of
• 22:53
  main man, stories out there that sort of and sort of took the
• 22:56
  throne first and it's joking that my main man doing this is
• 23:02
  yeah this is definitely a first unusual thing about main man.
• 23:06
  And the the thing I love about Florida is that we are the
• 23:11
  southernmost state but we really don't feel like it because we
• 23:14
  have a lot of people who moved down here from up north to
• 23:17
  retire. Have This brilliant, very
• 23:21
  Southern Culture, and more rural areas, and we also have this
• 23:26
  metropolitan area like Tampa where I'm from, which feels
• 23:30
  much, like any other city that I've been to you.
• 23:32
  I feel like we get the best of all three worlds.
• 23:34
  Really, nice man. Nice changing things up.
• 23:39
  A little bit. How has 20/20 changed the nature
• 23:43
  of your improv and Performing? Like now obviously live shows
• 23:47
  that's out of the question. My realized that.
• 23:50
  But you guys have been very active on Facebook and very
• 23:54
  reactive to it. I saw that your kind of
• 23:57
  baguette, I believe you're beginning to start doing shows
• 23:59
  again, so I guess the laws are changing a little bit up there,
• 24:02
  but in the intermediary period. Like, how have you reacted to
• 24:07
  these changes? What have you done to?
• 24:10
  It really was just heartbreaking at the beginning of March,
• 24:15
  because we all have very Different schedules.
• 24:19
  You think there's four of us, it would be easier to meet up, but
• 24:23
  two of our members are very into the film scene.
• 24:26
  And so they're working these 10 12 hour days on their days off
• 24:30
  from their jobs. And one of our friends working
• 24:34
  in production is working these shifts that are like 3 a.m. to
• 24:38
  10 a.m. and then sleeping during the day and we were getting
• 24:43
  ready to start practicing again for shows early March and I had
• 24:48
  started Theater in January of this year and the
• 24:54
  disappointment. I mean, it feels very first
• 24:58
  world problems of me to talk about the the upset feelings of
• 25:02
  having to walk back, our plans in light of everything that's
• 25:05
  happened. But in early February, we had no
• 25:08
  idea what was going to happen. We had no idea what was going to
• 25:11
  be this bad and we tried for a while to adapt our style to
• 25:17
  online shows. But I think a lot of what the
• 25:20
  Improv Community is noticing about the emergent online format
• 25:25
  is that, with out being in the same room, it makes object work
• 25:31
  that much more difficult being able to visualize and play in
• 25:34
  the space with your scene. Partners is such an important
• 25:37
  part of what we do. And after a few online
• 25:42
  practices, the momentum I think sort of petered out for us as we
• 25:45
  all sort of silently realized like we are, we are Going to
• 25:49
  have to wait. Or we are going to have to
• 25:51
  adapt. And the uncertainty that
• 25:55
  everybody is experiencing during this time, which we don't know.
• 26:00
  Like, when is it could to make time to practice because it's
• 26:03
  not going to be over for such a long time and some of the
• 26:07
  comedians that I've spoken to during this time, have kind of
• 26:12
  said that, you know, you can't really do comedy without a live
• 26:17
  audience. And at first, because I remember
• 26:20
  our first, I suggest into one guy who's podcast.
• 26:22
  I was on, he's a stand-up comedian.
• 26:24
  I said like, oh, why did you do live shows?
• 26:26
  And I hadn't, even considered, like, how important the live
• 26:30
  audience is not just, you know, to riff off but like, to know,
• 26:34
  is this funny is this not funny. Okay?
• 26:36
  So important, you know what I mean?
• 26:39
  It's one of those things where I think it's almost an unconscious
• 26:42
  skill because I'm, I did not notice if people ask me when I
• 26:45
  come off stage, or what? How do you think the audience
• 26:47
  felt about it? I I don't know, but I think you
• 26:50
  have an online show where you're trying to act and react and have
• 26:56
  fun. And that silence is deafening
• 26:58
  because whether you registered or not people are laughing at
• 27:01
  live shows and your brain is taking that information.
• 27:03
  And in saying okay that works. Let's lean on that again.
• 27:06
  Or let's find a way to Circle back around to that, but in lieu
• 27:09
  of that, it feels like you're kind of lost or at least, that's
• 27:12
  how it felt for me. Imagine how tricky that must be
• 27:17
  but that's good that you guys gave it a try.
• 27:20
  You know, I think I think that's the important thing because You
• 27:24
  know, like I know how this will make me sound but like go
• 27:27
  because I'm not like some big Entertainer.
• 27:29
  I'm stumped still at the beginning of my thing.
• 27:32
  You can't even call it a career at this point but I'm trying
• 27:35
  okay. But yeah, but like one of the
• 27:38
  things I remember speaking to my mom about this and saying like,
• 27:41
  you know, I've been given all this time because I've been
• 27:43
  unemployed for out this whole time and so I had loads of time
• 27:47
  to do YouTube podcast. You name it, right?
• 27:50
  And remember my mom saying to me how you know this time More so
• 27:54
  than ever before is like it's really important for Content
• 27:58
  creators to kind of Go full steam ahead.
• 28:01
  Like not just because of the time Factor but you know, to
• 28:04
  entertain, you know, to give people stuff to take their minds
• 28:08
  off covid because let's face it, it's fucking everywhere.
• 28:11
  It's you go outside. Go to the store, go to a job,
• 28:13
  whatever. Like it's, you do want to
• 28:16
  fucking hear about it. It's like, it's like the shit in
• 28:18
  the corner of the room that some guy has just made and you and
• 28:22
  your told like, oh, Do we have to ignore that?
• 28:24
  But it smells the whole place out and it's disgusting.
• 28:27
  And why is he sitting there and you know you get my point and he
• 28:29
  won't stop and then you try to yell at him when he comes in and
• 28:33
  he can't hear you and you don't want to like approach him.
• 28:36
  Yeah. I said of whether fuck that
• 28:37
  analogy came from the books. It was anyway on the subject of
• 28:45
  the content creators needing to create right now.
• 28:50
  I think that's what I've noticed more than anything is.
• 28:53
  This is the feeling of pressure. Hmm.
• 28:58
  Like like you say we have so much time now and it feels like
• 29:02
  if you take a day where you don't do something to advance
• 29:05
  some project, the guilt that I feel from that is it's
• 29:10
  disproportionate at best and a lot of my friends feel the same
• 29:15
  way. I feel like it's heightened this
• 29:18
  existing problem where people attach their self-worth to their
• 29:20
  projects and what they're currently doing and being Being
• 29:23
  an active during a time of global crisis is sort of seen as
• 29:27
  laziness or lethargy. I don't think that's fair a lot
• 29:31
  to that as well, like for us content.
• 29:33
  Creators are not. Okay?
• 29:34
  Is I learned were called because if you're if you're a YouTuber
• 29:38
  and you're under 25 K, you'll consider the small YouTuber.
• 29:42
  So I think there's an if you're under 1,000 or 2,000 Euro Nano
• 29:47
  so I'm a nano you to be like that.
• 29:49
  That's great. I take it, I take it anyway.
• 29:54
  Yeah I totally agree in relate to everything you're saying on
• 29:57
  that and also feel that you know if you do take a day where you
• 30:02
  don't upload anything, it's like that's one less day towards you
• 30:08
  having a chance or a shot of maybe making it like that's how
• 30:12
  I see it. Like I've gone from uploading
• 30:15
  like three times a day on two channels to like, you know, only
• 30:20
  on one channel, doing it multiple times that.
• 30:22
  Now I've kind of Got to a more relaxed thing where I'm like,
• 30:26
  okay every day. But I've already done this stuff
• 30:30
  ahead of time and I'm trying to calm it down because it's like
• 30:34
  Overkill and a lot of people said that to me as well how it's
• 30:37
  like or if you upload too much it get doesn't give your
• 30:40
  audience enough time to check out what you're doing.
• 30:42
  But I still feel like if there's a day where I don't upload, it's
• 30:45
  like ah I mean am I trying hard enough?
• 30:50
  Is it is it really exactly making your feels like?
• 30:54
  if it feels like people will take you not doing anything as
• 31:00
  you not being able to do anything or that, you're, you're
• 31:04
  not using everything at your disposal and there's this
• 31:07
  perception of if you want to succeed in entertainment, if you
• 31:09
  want to get noticed or you want to get big, you have to be
• 31:14
  scraping at every opportunity, like you have to work your
• 31:16
  full-time job, and then go to the open mics after and not only
• 31:19
  that you have to stay till everybody's done so you can
• 31:22
  mingle and buy drinks for the More experienced comics and get
• 31:25
  that conversation rolling. I've stand for as well.
• 31:28
  Like Ghost Recon. No, no, I'm absolutely did not
• 31:31
  know where that and was going. I'm glad you kept it.
• 31:35
  I was just going to say, I've said this on the podcast before,
• 31:37
  but I feel that like with entertainment, you know, the
• 31:44
  odds are stacked against you hugely and the chances of making
• 31:48
  it a like a million to one. But You do have to like put your
• 31:56
  heart and soul into it and keep trying and every single content
• 32:02
  creator that I look up to every successful musician.
• 32:07
  Actor, poet, whatever, right? They all say the same thing.
• 32:11
  They all said I worked by, you know, ass off, like all the time
• 32:16
  and it took me ages to become noticed or to become successful
• 32:21
  and I've noticed There's a lot of content creators, I see they
• 32:24
  set up, but Take podcast. As an example.
• 32:27
  I see so many podcasts of a podcast, they do five ten
• 32:30
  episodes and then they give up because then I'll get in the
• 32:33
  numbers. And then it again this I'm not
• 32:34
  getting that. Like, I'm approaching 50
• 32:37
  episodes and I can tell you the numbers, they're still not where
• 32:43
  I would like them to be. But you know what?
• 32:45
  I'm learning through this. I'm enjoying it.
• 32:47
  Most importantly, and there are developments there, you know.
• 32:52
  No, the more you put into it, the more you enjoy it and the
• 32:56
  more you just kind of try the more opportunities become
• 33:00
  available. Like one thing, I've noticed
• 33:02
  there's a lot of people have said here, you know, like after
• 33:05
  we're finished and stuff they often say like, are they look
• 33:08
  kind of surprised that they look like they weren't expecting it
• 33:11
  to be as professional. Because I take anything that I
• 33:14
  do very like, seriously. I treat it as though, I already
• 33:18
  were successful like, I already were like a big YouTube channel,
• 33:21
  I know. I've only got like, was a 500
• 33:24
  subscribers. I know that most of the time I
• 33:27
  struggle to get like five views on a video or something, but if
• 33:30
  you focus on that shit and you don't focus on trying to become
• 33:34
  better and trying to be just absolute best that you can be in
• 33:37
  putting out high quality content, then you're never going
• 33:40
  to make it. That's the reality of the
• 33:41
  situation. Yeah, you're absolutely right.
• 33:44
  And I think the hardest lesson that I had to learn when I was
• 33:47
  starting comedy and starting performing is that too.
• 33:52
  To be silly. Well you have to take it very
• 33:55
  seriously and a lot of people I've met they don't have that
• 34:00
  willingness to go back and watch the performances were they
• 34:02
  bombed or two to watch improv sets that they think flopped and
• 34:08
  go back and say, okay? Well here's what I did that
• 34:12
  through them all for here's what I could have done.
• 34:15
  It's not enough just to go to your local performance house or
• 34:20
  Community Theater and Do your thing week after week, because
• 34:25
  just because you're at that level doesn't mean you're
• 34:27
  guaranteed to advance. You could very well, stay there
• 34:30
  forever. If you're not putting in the act
• 34:34
  of thought and asking yourself, where can I improve?
• 34:37
  And that kind of mental strain. I think when people say I worked
• 34:40
  my ass off, that's what they're talking about is not giving
• 34:44
  yourself that, that contentment is terrible as that sounds the
• 34:49
  same as you get comfortable, where you are, you will Stay
• 34:52
  there. You need to stay in motion.
• 34:54
  What, you know. I always bring about this story
• 34:57
  because it's to me, it tip of I've always lived My Life by
• 35:02
  this small piece of this small quote, which was silly.
• 35:06
  But so true. I was playing a game of pool
• 35:08
  many years ago and we were just killing some time.
• 35:14
  Local supermarket job. And I killed this guy like six
• 35:18
  times, you know, I every single frame be him, right then.
• 35:22
  Beats me one time. So it's like 661 and and the guy
• 35:26
  next to him is like and I was like, Hey I just be him six
• 35:30
  times and he's like and he was joking but he said this piece of
• 35:35
  information. He said you're only as good as
• 35:37
  your last game and I don't know why but ever since then I've
• 35:42
  just applied that not like knowledge to Everything.
• 35:44
  I Do, you know, I guy look take the podcast as an example,
• 35:48
  right? Every time I finished a podcast
• 35:50
  on my that was awesome. Let's do.
• 35:52
  It all over again, the next time.
• 35:54
  And let's try and keep pushing it.
• 35:55
  Like what can I do better? How can I make my guests?
• 35:58
  Feel more comfortable, get more stories.
• 36:01
  Out of them, get you know, whatever.
• 36:02
  Like you can always do better even if you do something and it
• 36:06
  does the highest views ever, and it, whatever.
• 36:09
  Like, you can always do better. I just I don't and I just think
• 36:13
  that's a good thing about life in general, isn't it?
• 36:15
  You can always improve the journey, never stops, you know
• 36:19
  me. Like I think the moment when you
• 36:20
  stop trying and being Yeah, you know, I've done everything
• 36:24
  that's nonsense, that's just I don't know why.
• 36:26
  People think that way I've been on improv team with people out
• 36:30
  of necessity where I'll be I'll be there and I'll be like, hey,
• 36:34
  are we going to practice this day?
• 36:35
  Like we're supposed to go on Saturday to this show?
• 36:38
  Are you? When can we meet up to practice?
• 36:40
  Like, what's going on? And they're like, we don't ya,
• 36:42
  attitude is that we don't need to practice.
• 36:44
  Like, we've been here long enough, we've been doing him for
• 36:46
  about four years, we know. And then it's like, if you've
• 36:49
  never performed with this, exact group of people of Utah, You
• 36:52
  don't know how that Dynamic is going to shake out.
• 36:54
  You're setting yourself up for failure and then once it does
• 36:57
  go, that way, the even more shocking thing was being in the
• 37:01
  car ride and hearing them go. I think that went well and I'm
• 37:03
  like, what show were you if your attitude, your good where you
• 37:09
  are? You're never going to see
• 37:11
  anything. You've done is below that level,
• 37:14
  and that's a dangerous place to be.
• 37:16
  I don't understand that mentality is well, I know, I
• 37:18
  know we keep beating a dead horse at this point, but like, I
• 37:21
  just Understand that I don't understand how you could ever in
• 37:24
  life. Just be like, oh, you know,
• 37:27
  that's good enough. I'll do what like, what just I
• 37:34
  mean, because it's like, what's that movie was Robin Williams
• 37:39
  movie about poetry Dead Poets Society, right?
• 37:42
  Yeah, you know, when he goes like he said something along the
• 37:44
  lines of like, you know, laziness in the pursuit of women
• 37:49
  or something like, you know, Laziness at night in the
• 37:52
  Endeavor of Love is it will not do something like that.
• 37:55
  I'm killing it by paraphrasing it but essentially that yeah,
• 37:59
  that place to everything. Like I feel like you can't go
• 38:01
  half faster than anything. You can't be lazy with anything.
• 38:04
  You got to put like, like I always operate on the mentality
• 38:08
  of all or nothing, you know, being relationships work,
• 38:12
  people, you know what I mean? I mean, I mean, either they're
• 38:15
  giving you everything or I'm like, no, I can't do that.
• 38:19
  I think, I think the conflict for a lot of people comes from
• 38:23
  when as a content creator, when you put something out there on
• 38:26
  the internet that essentially lives forever.
• 38:28
  Yeah, there's this mentality of. If it doesn't live up to your
• 38:31
  standard, you might end up telling yourself.
• 38:33
  Well, this isn't representative of me, but if that's what people
• 38:37
  see of you than it is, and if that was your best effort and
• 38:41
  you don't feel like it was representative of you, all you
• 38:44
  can do is keep working on it. Yeah, I agree.
• 38:48
  I mean it's Recently I've really changed my attitude to that like
• 38:51
  I've, I've started re-recording things or sometimes I delete
• 38:57
  things. Like I remember I made a podcast
• 38:59
  episode one time. It wasn't with a guest.
• 39:01
  I wouldn't dream of doing that but I did, I spoke for like an
• 39:06
  hour and a half wasn't happy with it.
• 39:08
  Deleted it came back to it after a week because I was a bit
• 39:12
  motivated by that a cigar, this was crap, but how can I do it
• 39:15
  better? And then a week later
• 39:17
  re-recorded. And it did some research.
• 39:20
  It went exactly how I wanted it to go and I keep applying that
• 39:24
  logic to everything I do. I'm like how can this be better?
• 39:27
  What can I tweak here? Like how can we push this in the
• 39:31
  right direction that it needs to go in?
• 39:35
  And I don't know I think that you're onto something there like
• 39:39
  you know you should always look at every single video,
• 39:43
  performance, whatever is like this has to be the best.
• 39:46
  It can possibly be because you Someone might stumble up across
• 39:51
  the stumble across that and then look at that and be like, that's
• 39:55
  the first time they're ever seeing you.
• 39:57
  And if you're not putting in 100%, if you're just half-assed
• 40:00
  then they'll be like must not be that big deal and move on.
• 40:05
  That perspective comes from I have a friend who works or soon
• 40:09
  will be working knock on wood in the field of American Sign
• 40:13
  Language interpreting and she recently took a very difficult
• 40:17
  evaluation that could Herman her pay scale once she enters his
• 40:21
  industry, essentially, and I asked her right out to the test,
• 40:25
  how do you feel about it? And when you ask somebody, how
• 40:27
  do you feel about this thing that you've done or you made our
• 40:29
  you've worked very hard on you, expect the answer to be good or
• 40:33
  bad, you expect him to be, like, I feel like I did a great job.
• 40:35
  I feel like that was an outstanding performance or I
• 40:38
  bombed, I don't think I did my best.
• 40:40
  But what she told me was, I feel like this is a good assessment
• 40:43
  of where I'm at right now. I feel like somebody looking at
• 40:46
  this will know exactly what I'm capable of in this.
• 40:49
  The moment and I think that restructuring of that problem is
• 40:54
  so much healthier because in that field you really have to be
• 40:58
  able to critique yourself and watch hours of this and listen
• 41:01
  to your own voice. A lot.
• 41:04
  And I think that environment is so similar to Comedy that when
• 41:08
  her and I talked about reflection and Improvement,
• 41:12
  there's that understanding of if you It's inherently unhealthy to
• 41:19
  associate yourself, worth with your product and putting your
• 41:23
  all into everything. All the time is inevitably going
• 41:26
  to degrade you, especially if you're not getting where you
• 41:28
  want to be. And I think that reframing of it
• 41:32
  as this is where I am right now. And as long as I'm endeavoring
• 41:37
  to improve, it doesn't have to be where I'm going to stay.
• 41:41
  Is, it's honestly helped me so much in terms of being able to
• 41:45
  go back and Myself to listen to my own voice which is not
• 41:49
  something I particularly enjoy. It's it's integral.
• 41:54
  Yeah. No.
• 41:55
  You're absolutely right. I think a lot of people find it
• 41:58
  very hard to do that to critique themselves, or to take criticism
• 42:03
  from other people. I've noticed a lot of the time,
• 42:07
  especially on YouTube and places like that, that, you know, a lot
• 42:09
  of the criticism you get. I mean, it's poorly given, so
• 42:14
  it's sad Faith. Usually, It's just like, your
• 42:17
  trash, this that and the other and you know, I just laugh it
• 42:20
  off, right? But every now and again, you'll
• 42:23
  get something where it might. Well probably my experience is
• 42:28
  always usually pretty - still, but I'll look at it and I
• 42:33
  better, hang on. This person has given me
• 42:36
  something here, they might be an asshole but they're an asshole.
• 42:40
  Who's given me something to destructive.
• 42:42
  So they've actually given me a present and then I work on And I
• 42:46
  use it. And I think yeah, combining that
• 42:51
  constructive feedback that you get from people and also looking
• 42:54
  at yourself every now and again and being reflective and not
• 42:57
  being afraid to do that. And and to be afraid of like,
• 43:02
  discovering like on, you know, I'm not very good.
• 43:05
  You know, like, I've often had that we're if I, you know, if I
• 43:09
  take that music as an example, I've been doing that many years
• 43:12
  and are sometimes, I'll be like, really happy with something I've
• 43:16
  done. Done.
• 43:17
  And then I'll hear someone whose voice and songwriting ability
• 43:20
  and everything just Trump's mine, and I feel a bit crap for
• 43:23
  a moment. But then on my do, you know what
• 43:24
  it's supposed sess. And that's a different person.
• 43:27
  And you can't compare yourself to other people.
• 43:29
  You've got to, like, focus on yourself at all times.
• 43:33
  Like, compare yourself to yourself instead.
• 43:36
  Yeah, I'm that you've written recently miles above songs.
• 43:39
  You were writing years ago. Yeah, exactly exactly, yeah, I
• 43:43
  think that's a toxic thing. That people tend to do is focus.
• 43:46
  Like, why am I, why am I not like this person?
• 43:48
  And it's like, everyone has a different trajectory and more
• 43:52
  often than not, those people that you see doing really well,
• 43:54
  you didn't see where they were like, really busting their ass
• 43:58
  and doing really badly, you know, I mean it's that's the
• 44:00
  reality. You have to go through a lot of
• 44:01
  crap before you start getting somewhere.
• 44:04
  It's, I love hearing these stories and I'm sure that's the
• 44:07
  purpose of them is when comedians will be like, I was
• 44:10
  performing in a laundromat for five years in Chicago, living
• 44:14
  out of a matchbox on 30th Avenue.
• 44:16
  You like the those stories I feel like they give you hope.
• 44:22
  Yeah. In a way where it's like, hey,
• 44:24
  as long as I'm not too good to work at the laundromat, doing my
• 44:28
  set, then maybe I can get there too.
• 44:31
  I think this is the thing that people forget as well as like,
• 44:34
  every person that you see particularly in the
• 44:35
  entertainment industry has worked their ass off to get
• 44:39
  there. Like it was never just given to
• 44:40
  them, you know, obviously, there are a lot of people that get
• 44:44
  opportunities in life, that may be Afford it to most of us but
• 44:48
  the wider majority have to work for it and might face, you know,
• 44:53
  barriers to entry, whatever the case may be.
• 44:55
  And you know, I mean they always just look at the numbers and you
• 44:58
  know, like I know people who have, you know, become
• 45:02
  successful and I saw their journey to get there and, you
• 45:06
  know, it's like More often than not, they've earned it.
• 45:09
  They've worked hard enough to get there, but I think I might
• 45:16
  disagree in just a little bit Boomers.
• 45:19
  I think, I used to be very guilty of believing that the
• 45:22
  world and especially the entertainment industry was a
• 45:25
  meritocracy and that whoever could do the best or whoever
• 45:28
  worked the hardest would eventually sort of rise to the
• 45:30
  top of where they could be correct.
• 45:32
  But in my personal experience luck has played more Of a role
• 45:38
  than anything. And the number of projects that
• 45:41
  I've been involved in as a result of saying, something
• 45:45
  funny at the rehearsal of the dressing room.
• 45:47
  And someone goes, oh, that's that's night.
• 45:49
  We started talking become friends, and then, because I'm
• 45:52
  friends with that person, they say, hey, I'm doing this thing.
• 45:54
  I want you to be in on it, and then you meet more people
• 45:56
  through there. I think survival of the
• 46:00
  friendliest. Would probably be my
• 46:02
  interpretation of the entertainment industry.
• 46:05
  Yeah, no. No.
• 46:06
  You're right, you're right. I mean, I guess I did make that
• 46:09
  to talk about that with the luck that I think it's difficult
• 46:13
  knowing that your chances are always decreasing based on just
• 46:17
  how many people are doing the same thing.
• 46:19
  But I still feel that the thing before stands that, you know,
• 46:24
  there might be a lot of people trying but not everyone's going
• 46:26
  to see it through. You know, there might be people
• 46:28
  that give up at the five-year muscles and Nehemiah.
• 46:31
  And that's the thing. I've had people turn around to
• 46:32
  me and say like, oh well, you're not going to keep doing this in
• 46:34
  five, ten years, I do. And I'm like, hell yeah, I am
• 46:37
  like Why would I stop? What?
• 46:39
  Because I haven't made it like you can't have that mentality.
• 46:42
  Like, you have to keep doing it. The goal almost isn't to make it
• 46:46
  the goal is almost to make something that only you could
• 46:49
  make like the the just the idea of somebody, giving up improv
• 46:56
  after five years, when I've known improvisers, who have been
• 46:59
  doing it for 50 and even then I see them do things and I'm like,
• 47:03
  oh, that's a bit of a minor mistake.
• 47:04
  They're like there's, there's an endless ceiling.
• 47:08
  I'm for creativity and an endless ceiling for performance.
• 47:11
  Yeah. And you almost have to perfect
• 47:14
  pursue it for its own sake and it, definitely, I think there's
• 47:18
  that mentality of it as a means to an end of being seen, by more
• 47:22
  people into validation. I think plays a role in it, but
• 47:27
  I've always been very motivated in terms of performance by a
• 47:31
  single one man show that I saw when I was eight, it was a VHS
• 47:35
  recording of Steven Banks home entertainment center.
• 47:38
  And this guy became like my idol because it's just this
• 47:41
  perfectly. Written perfectly crafted
• 47:43
  brilliantly performed piece of musical comedy and it's all him
• 47:47
  and then I do more research into his life and I see all he went
• 47:51
  to clown school in Florida. That's the greatest.
• 47:53
  And it was just this thing that only he could have made and only
• 47:57
  in this year of his life. And then, after that, he ended
• 48:01
  up becoming a writer for projects, like cat dog, at
• 48:04
  Nickelodeon. Wow.
• 48:05
  And the goal in my mind has always been If I could have my
• 48:09
  version of home entertainment center, if I could have my
• 48:12
  one-man show, that gets filmed, and then it's the thing that
• 48:17
  only I could make that maybe I could retire happy.
• 48:19
  But at that point, I probably wouldn't just because I enjoy
• 48:22
  being on the stage and I enjoy making people laugh.
• 48:25
  Yeah, no II agree with you. Lucky is about making your best
• 48:30
  work. Like I have to say, like when I
• 48:31
  was growing up, I was really obsessed with the idea of like I
• 48:34
  want to be rich. I want to be famous these days.
• 48:38
  Still want to be rich, but I don't care that much about being
• 48:41
  famous. I feel like being famous these
• 48:43
  days isn't, like what it used to be, I suppose, it depends.
• 48:47
  But you know, any, I mean, anyone could be famous these
• 48:50
  days. People are famous for, you know,
• 48:52
  having sex on TV, it's really not a big deal anymore.
• 48:56
  It really feels like it. Not only do you want to be
• 48:58
  famous, you want to be famous for the right reason.
• 49:00
  Yeah, well, yeah, that's because I'm on-site.
• 49:02
  Yeah, yeah. God, have you always been a
• 49:07
  performer than have you? Always been interested in this
• 49:10
  as a career path new music. I've always been into since I
• 49:15
  was young, like 11 years old, didn't start actually properly
• 49:20
  performing until I was 14 15. I'm 27 now.
• 49:22
  So I've been doing it awhile but I've actually come full circle
• 49:27
  with that. I spent about three or four
• 49:30
  years out of creative Endeavors, you know?
• 49:34
  I went to University when I was 21, I was doing like a marketing
• 49:37
  degree. That I kind of gave up on music
• 49:41
  and everything. I figured like I guess it's not
• 49:43
  for me, I should go out and get a job and you know, be a drone
• 49:46
  and all that shit. And then throughout that time at
• 49:50
  Uni, I was still kind of experimenting a little bit
• 49:54
  wasn't to, I moved abroad to Europe that I started kind of
• 49:59
  getting back into it. And then I would say Beginning
• 50:04
  of last year was when it all changed.
• 50:08
  I was introduced to a couple of acting projects and I've never
• 50:11
  done acting before I, you know, I did a school and it was fun
• 50:14
  but I never really considered it being something I would do.
• 50:18
  And then I started doing it. I loved it.
• 50:20
  And I was like, oh, this feels exactly like writing and music
• 50:26
  and Performing and stuff. I could do this.
• 50:28
  Forget, let's do this. And then I started just doing
• 50:30
  that more and more and more and then I decided to finally,
• 50:36
  actually give my YouTuber Papago because I've had the account
• 50:39
  since, like, 2013, December, something like that.
• 50:44
  But I've never known what to put on there.
• 50:46
  And I didn't want to just put any old trash on there.
• 50:48
  And I put music over the years but I never really kind of had
• 50:52
  like this is one going to do and then I don't know what it was
• 50:56
  but I just started experimenting I guess ever since the beginning
• 51:00
  of last year and this year This year has been crazy.
• 51:06
  Literally everything you can think of I've tried it, done it
• 51:10
  in some shape, or form, and I found things that I, like
• 51:15
  things, I'm not so fond of discover, I've learned a lot
• 51:19
  about myself. That's another thing as well.
• 51:21
  I think, if you, if you ever just in life in general, doesn't
• 51:25
  have to be about entertainment. If you're just trying new things
• 51:28
  in life, you've never done before you will learn a lot
• 51:31
  about who you are as a person. Listen.
• 51:34
  What you like, what you dislike, what you can do?
• 51:37
  What? You're not so good at all of
• 51:39
  this stuff. So it's a very much, a kind of
• 51:41
  experience of introspection and Discovery.
• 51:46
  Absolutely. I mean, I, I sort of prided
• 51:51
  myself in high school, and before that, on being like, I'm
• 51:54
  not one of these silly creative people, I'm going to be a stem
• 51:58
  major and I'm going to go into biology and I'm going to do all
• 52:01
  this. And then, It almost feels like I
• 52:05
  was denying myself. This whole aspect of my
• 52:07
  personality that I never even knew about until I started
• 52:10
  engaging with it. And I think perspective is so
• 52:18
  important, especially for Colin, we were talking about comedy.
• 52:22
  Stand-up is all about sharing your unique perspective and so
• 52:27
  to have that for only the last couple of years.
• 52:33
  I mean, I I started improv two years ago and before that I
• 52:36
  performed in my second grade play of Cheaper by the Dozen
• 52:40
  through school and then took that sweet 15-year Hiatus until
• 52:45
  very recently getting back into performing and it's just great.
• 52:52
  I recommend it to anybody. Who will listen, I'm like I'll
• 52:55
  go to your go to your community theater.
• 52:56
  Go find somebody online to do improv with like, engage with
• 53:01
  this part of yourself, that maybe you don't think is there.
• 53:04
  Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I think it's largely to do
• 53:09
  mentality. Isn't it like a lot of the
• 53:13
  things that I'm doing now? I think years ago, I wouldn't
• 53:15
  have ever done because I just didn't have the self-esteem to
• 53:18
  do it whereas now I don't know. I just don't give a fuck.
• 53:20
  I'm just like, I'm just going to do a key.
• 53:23
  Yeah, the key I'm gonna do it because why the fuck not like,
• 53:26
  you know like let's try it. Let's make the most out of life
• 53:30
  and especially what you were saying about networking.
• 53:33
  I just want to talk a little bit about that like that is so
• 53:35
  important not just in The entertainment industry, but
• 53:39
  anything you do in life like it's almost like that movie.
• 53:43
  Yes. Like I know it has a bad ending
• 53:46
  and it's like busy kind. You say?
• 53:47
  Yes. Then literally everything but
• 53:49
  you know what? It's got a good message in it
• 53:51
  and it's true. Like you, you should say.
• 53:54
  Yes, you should try. Think, like, I'll give an
• 53:56
  example. I started volunteering back in
• 53:59
  like October. And I haven't spoken about it a
• 54:02
  lot here because, you know, I don't want to be like, one of
• 54:04
  those dickheads. That's like, who look at all the
• 54:07
  good stuff. That I do want, I great.
• 54:09
  But you know here and there and also wanted to do it for a while
• 54:14
  before so that I would have liked some stuff to talk about
• 54:18
  and to share. And I will still do that to
• 54:20
  everyone listening but I've spoken about it a little bit,
• 54:24
  but some of the things that I've learnt through it have kind of
• 54:29
  made me think like, wow, why didn't I do this years ago?
• 54:31
  Like, you know, there's all these opportunities to try
• 54:34
  different things, you know, you can.
• 54:37
  Then, you know, like new skills through there.
• 54:41
  So, you know, it's a good opportunity to get work
• 54:43
  experience. If you don't have it already,
• 54:44
  obviously, helping people being the biggest thing.
• 54:47
  It's a feel good factor. It's a way to help people.
• 54:49
  If, you know, if you don't have loads in the bank account,
• 54:52
  you're not able to actively donate to Charities.
• 54:54
  Then volunteering, your time is the next best thing and they're
• 54:59
  always looking for people, but to get to the point.
• 55:03
  Like, I look at that as a sort of thing, that years ago, I
• 55:07
  would have Have just, you know I remember thinking about doing
• 55:09
  this years ago and being like I'm not sure, I don't know this
• 55:13
  that and the other ways these days I'd never have that feeling
• 55:17
  like the thought goes through my head and I'm like, I don't know.
• 55:20
  And then I'm like, yeah, but fuck that feeling like let's
• 55:23
  just try it. Let's see what our happen and
• 55:26
  then make up online. You need to be as confident as
• 55:30
  you were when you were six years old and you wrote a song that
• 55:34
  only existed in your head and you drag your entire family into
• 55:37
  the living room. Here you perform it and you get
• 55:39
  incredibly pissed off the second one of them looks at their phone
• 55:42
  or something. Well that's just rude
• 55:45
  performing. Thank you phones are for the
• 55:49
  performances on, we've dimmed the lights.
• 55:51
  I can see the light from your phone clear as day.
• 55:55
  The the I never thought I would have write a song and if I did,
• 56:00
  I never thought I'd perform it. And if I did, I never thought
• 56:04
  I'd submit it to like an online musical Thing.
• 56:07
  Like I did this year and I look back at it and I go that's
• 56:11
  that's definitely somebody's first song up there but I'm so
• 56:15
  glad that I did it. And it's not just to say, oh,
• 56:19
  you know, I submitted to a musical thing.
• 56:21
  It's to say, I'm not afraid to fail and having that freedom
• 56:29
  from failure. It makes everything else
• 56:32
  accessible. Yeah.
• 56:34
  You make a very good point. That is a big freedom, Like you,
• 56:38
  you'll feel so much Freer in life if you get rid of this
• 56:43
  thing in your head about you know, this doubt in your head if
• 56:49
  you get rid of that if you get rid of like oh but what about
• 56:52
  what they think, fuck what they think.
• 56:54
  Okay. What do you think in your head?
• 56:56
  What do you think about it? That's the what matters.
• 57:01
  Well, these people these people over here going to say anything
• 57:03
  like did you know I've discovered you as well is that
• 57:06
  like you could be the Nicest person ever like I've met people
• 57:10
  like this where they're like, lovely wonderful human being of
• 57:13
  on loves them and they'll still be someone who's goes fuck that
• 57:17
  guy. Yeah he's too nice.
• 57:21
  I don't know what he's hiding. The case may be.
• 57:23
  Basically the point is like you know you're going to be loved it
• 57:26
  or hated whatever you do. So might as well just be you and
• 57:29
  you be free, do what you want. We're as you said earlier, we're
• 57:33
  both very much at the start of this journey.
• 57:36
  Oh absolutely. I think people can even have an
• 57:39
  idea of who they are until you probably reach like, 35, 40, 50
• 57:43
  years old. And I'm so excited to see how
• 57:47
  that changes me. And I'm so lucky that there's
• 57:49
  this going to be this record of the things I've done in the
• 57:52
  shows. I've been in in the projects
• 57:53
  I've made that I can look back on and go Jesus Christ.
• 57:56
  I did not know who I was or what I was doing on that stage, it
• 58:01
  feels liberating. It really does.
• 58:03
  I feel like, who you are is an ever-changing thing protein
• 58:07
  Absolutely. Yeah.
• 58:08
  But at the same time, the essence of you is something
• 58:12
  that's like always Remains the Same because I look at myself,
• 58:14
  five years ago, ten years ago, so different person just I can't
• 58:18
  even relate to that but I look at my teenage self like, you
• 58:21
  know, he was just having fun. He was this low self-esteem, kid
• 58:25
  didn't know what the fuck was going on but I was having fun.
• 58:28
  Then I look at myself, five years ago I'm like he's just a
• 58:31
  scared early 20s kid still who's just like scared of the world
• 58:36
  and now I'm this time. Seven year old man whose I'm not
• 58:40
  scared of the world anymore. I'm excited by the world but I'm
• 58:43
  also like, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing, but it's fun,
• 58:48
  it's jump excited that that's that's a new feeling something
• 58:53
  fun. I think it feels very typical of
• 58:56
  your 20s to have this optimism in this idealism.
• 58:59
  Like yeah. But a perform until I'm old and
• 59:02
  then we'll do the reunions episode 25 years from now where
• 59:05
  I'm doing chartered accountancy. And I'm absolutely So listen, I
• 59:08
  still talk in monotone but I'm enjoying the living in the now.
• 59:15
  It's not something I did all through high school or until I
• 59:18
  started performing but enjoying the current moment for what it
• 59:21
  is and trying not to make it miserable for myself with doubt
• 59:27
  and lack of confidence. You know what, I couldn't agree
• 59:31
  with you more. My whole that's one of the
• 59:34
  biggest beliefs in my own personal life is living in the
• 59:36
  moment. And used to have that, I used to
• 59:38
  dwell a lot in the past and constantly think about like or
• 59:42
  in the future when things will be better in the future, when,
• 59:46
  when life will be amazing. And it's like no, you've got to
• 59:49
  embrace this moment right now, it's this this is your life
• 59:54
  right now. Like what's happening right now,
• 59:57
  you know, if you're gifted a future great.
• 1:00:00
  But like it's like that saying goes, you got to treat every day
• 1:00:04
  at almost as if it's your last. I know it's a silly saying, but
• 1:00:07
  but I think really the best meaning taken from that is to
• 1:00:11
  make the most of every single day.
• 1:00:14
  You know, did you did you take all of the opportunities given
• 1:00:18
  to you did, you do things that made you happy?
• 1:00:23
  Did you choose to, you know, take the high road on things and
• 1:00:26
  not get involved with Petty, squirrels, or, or whatever, you
• 1:00:30
  know what I mean? Like, did you do the right
• 1:00:32
  things by yourself by the people that you love Etc?
• 1:00:37
  And, and but yeah, like with that whole living in the moment
• 1:00:41
  thing, I sometimes it can be, as simple as like, people worry a
• 1:00:44
  lot of time, like, oh, was I productive enough?
• 1:00:46
  Did I do this, dude? Did I do that?
• 1:00:47
  And it's like, hey, maybe that day is just supposed to be you
• 1:00:51
  walking in the local park. Look and just looking at the sun
• 1:00:54
  and enjoying that, you know, me like that the the living in the
• 1:00:58
  moment thing I think is a relative concept and it can it
• 1:01:02
  can literally mean anything. But I think what it really means
• 1:01:05
  is like, just embracing happiness and the little things
• 1:01:10
  in your life and realizing, you know, it's not forever and
• 1:01:15
  making the most of it. One of the things I really
• 1:01:18
  enjoyed about entering adulthood and sort of having more and more
• 1:01:22
  autonomy and experiencing more that life has to offer is that
• 1:01:26
  they sort of give you all the answers from the beginning, like
• 1:01:29
  you'll watch any number of movies, you watched any number
• 1:01:32
  of plays or people talking or read in books and people always
• 1:01:36
  say, you know, life is what you make of it.
• 1:01:37
  It's the one thing that's important to you when you do
• 1:01:39
  that or you've got you've got to live each day, like you're dying
• 1:01:43
  and you sort of like, wave it off you like, okay Grandpa like
• 1:01:45
  yeah obviously everybody Was that?
• 1:01:47
  And then you have an experience that solidifies that for you in
• 1:01:51
  your mind and it feels stupid because the answer was literally
• 1:01:54
  given to you. But now that you've attached
• 1:01:56
  that personal meaning to it, that's when you can appreciate
• 1:02:00
  it. And it's just such a blast to
• 1:02:06
  really feel like you're making the most of your time and then
• 1:02:09
  leaving behind something, you can be proud of.
• 1:02:13
  I, I don't even plan on having kids, but the number of times I
• 1:02:16
  do a project, Eject or I look at a recording and I think you
• 1:02:19
  know, I could show that to my kid.
• 1:02:20
  It's interesting that it that's the way I sort of view what I'm
• 1:02:24
  doing. Yeah.
• 1:02:26
  I do you think it's important to think about the future a little
• 1:02:28
  bit in that regard but yeah, like it stays in that is funny
• 1:02:33
  to like I remember five years ago thinking like me a dad like
• 1:02:40
  I can't even get my own life in fucking shape.
• 1:02:42
  Like how am I gonna look after a kid and now, Yeah, that's it.
• 1:02:48
  I don't even, that's not even get into that.
• 1:02:50
  It's Robert. Kids are free.
• 1:02:52
  Yeah, I mean I feel like I'm more ready than I was, but like,
• 1:02:57
  I'm still not. I think I, like I said this to
• 1:03:00
  someone recently that I feel like I still need to, like, live
• 1:03:04
  life a bit more like. So I can actually teach my kids,
• 1:03:06
  some shit, like, some life shit, you know, not just tying his
• 1:03:10
  shoes or her shoes. But like, you know, this is the
• 1:03:14
  way that what life really works, and this is what people were
• 1:03:16
  like, and, you know, blah, blah blah.
• 1:03:18
  But, you know, I mean, I think you're onto something that I
• 1:03:22
  think that, especially the cliches.
• 1:03:24
  I've noticed every cliche is actually real, like it's true.
• 1:03:29
  It is the meaning behind platitudes and it's so
• 1:03:32
  frustrating because you're like really treat people, how you
• 1:03:35
  want to be treated and it's odd. Zzzzz is bad.
• 1:03:37
  And I just ignored it for so long.
• 1:03:40
  What, what I say with that do like, there's a couple of things
• 1:03:43
  you need to go over. Like you should treat people
• 1:03:47
  like you want to be treated, but that doesn't mean they're going
• 1:03:48
  to treat you the way you want to be treated like we're adding the
• 1:03:53
  layers. Yeah, it's Like you got to make
• 1:03:55
  this conscious decision, like can I allow people to be
• 1:04:00
  assholes and not let it affect me and not let their like if
• 1:04:04
  someone's a negative person. For example, and you are a
• 1:04:06
  positive person, you've got to like be strong enough to not
• 1:04:10
  allow their negativity to seep into you.
• 1:04:13
  Absolutely. You've got to know like when to
• 1:04:16
  hold them and when to fold them and when to walk and when to run
• 1:04:21
  yeah, just drop them all in Spring.
• 1:04:24
  The vorlon, why not? Let's let's have a cringefest.
• 1:04:33
  Oh my God. Who are your main sources of
• 1:04:35
  inspiration? When it comes to improv?
• 1:04:39
  Oh God. When it comes to improv, I am
• 1:04:42
  very fortunate to be surrounded by the people who were my
• 1:04:45
  teachers, my friends Cameroon can meet Rob were sort of the
• 1:04:51
  board of the club at USF, when I joined.
• 1:04:54
  And so they were literally the people standing at the front of
• 1:04:56
  the room explaining the games and demonstrating for me coming
• 1:04:59
  up and our unofficial official coach Brooks Oglesby has been a
• 1:05:06
  great mentor and teacher to me specifically with improv going
• 1:05:11
  beyond the local to celebrity. I sort of realized in the course
• 1:05:17
  of this year or last year that I've subconsciously been trying
• 1:05:20
  to become Jim Carrey since I was like six years old.
• 1:05:26
  Robin Williams. Obviously, one of the greatest
• 1:05:28
  examples of somebody who is, I would say, sort of improv Ford
• 1:05:32
  in their performance, and I mean, as the genie in Aladdin
• 1:05:37
  and Good morning, Vietnam. Iíve often watched scenes with
• 1:05:43
  one or the other of these people before, going on stage to try
• 1:05:48
  and remind myself. This is the energy.
• 1:05:49
  This is what it's supposed to feel.
• 1:05:51
  Like Robin Williams is amazing. Like, if If you look at like he
• 1:05:56
  was almost like a king in improv, he could, you could just
• 1:05:58
  put him in any scenario and he would just, yeah, I read, I
• 1:06:02
  remember reading it. A lot of his Parts like that
• 1:06:04
  wasn't the genie. A lot of that was just improv.
• 1:06:07
  It was just like, they were like, hey, we need you to say
• 1:06:10
  some funny shit and he just exactly, Ricky.
• 1:06:13
  The animation was sort of done around his improvisation, and
• 1:06:16
  they made that part with him. In mind.
• 1:06:18
  They, the studio had Jesus approached him with a an
• 1:06:21
  animation done to some of his stand-up.
• 1:06:24
  Could you imagine? Well, if they did, if he did
• 1:06:25
  said know who the fuck would they have?
• 1:06:27
  Put in that, they Dan castellaneta, presumably who
• 1:06:32
  replaced him on later Aladdin projects.
• 1:06:36
  But he's he is always going to be the genie.
• 1:06:38
  I'm sorry, sorry. Well Smith, but it's always
• 1:06:41
  going to be robbing with that new Aladdin movie had so much
• 1:06:44
  potential. Oh well, no you die.
• 1:06:48
  Just download the find it, dude. Like the I don't understand.
• 1:06:51
  Disney's Fascination. We're doing everything fucking
• 1:06:53
  live action. Now, it's like, we must do live
• 1:06:55
  action with everything. We need to go for our entire
• 1:06:58
  back catalogue, indeed. All must be in real life.
• 1:07:02
  Why safe reliable generation of Revenue, which is above all with
• 1:07:07
  that company stands for. But like that, making the same
• 1:07:10
  fucking movie. And the same smoothly.
• 1:07:14
  There's a really interesting quote, I think it was from
• 1:07:17
  Michael Eisner, before he worked at Disney or know.
• 1:07:20
  It might have been it had to have been during, but he says,
• 1:07:23
  you know, in the course of making money, we will sometimes
• 1:07:27
  make art. It's like the goal is not to
• 1:07:30
  make art. That makes money, it's to
• 1:07:32
  reliably generate Revenue, but I feel like back in the day like,
• 1:07:37
  you know, Disney was making our, you know what I mean?
• 1:07:40
  Like, it was good stuff. I feel like now, It's like now
• 1:07:43
  that the money cash cattle, this expression.
• 1:07:47
  Now they're just all about making money, you know?
• 1:07:50
  I mean like and don't you be wrong, not everything.
• 1:07:52
  They're doing is bad, but like I followed all the strong stuff
• 1:07:56
  that they're doing is where they're giving people like
• 1:07:58
  creative freedom, like Jon Favreau with, you know, the
• 1:08:02
  Mandalorian something like that. Like okay, you've got him and is
• 1:08:06
  it? Kevin feige, I think or I
• 1:08:09
  believe something like. Yeah.
• 1:08:10
  So like they've got creative freedom on that.
• 1:08:12
  That they're producing that. So it's not expressly by
• 1:08:16
  Disney's just owned by Disney, right?
• 1:08:18
  But then if you take like the Star Wars movies, like, okay,
• 1:08:21
  yeah, you had people come in there as, you know.
• 1:08:25
  No, no, no, no, I'll take it back, I'm wrong.
• 1:08:28
  Yeah. That was still directors of
• 1:08:30
  creative freedom. That's just bad.
• 1:08:31
  Directing. Okay.
• 1:08:33
  Well other things things done, maybe maybe honest questionable
• 1:08:39
  are more. There's questions being raised
• 1:08:46
  that I've sort of attached to is that in the 70s and 60s and
• 1:08:52
  maybe the early 80s, there was a time when a director made a film
• 1:08:55
  and it was their Vision, that was communicated through the
• 1:08:59
  medium of film to an audience and it was sometimes successful,
• 1:09:02
  sometimes not. And then this sort of Revolution
• 1:09:06
  that we're witnessing where it's like this studio is producing
• 1:09:09
  content, that is sort of formulated to support.
• 1:09:12
  Succeed in a major way it feels disingenuous and you've seen
• 1:09:17
  like a lot of actors who I really admire going towards
• 1:09:20
  these more Indie projects, Willem Dafoe in the Florida
• 1:09:24
  project in the lighthouse has been an incredible couple years
• 1:09:27
  for him. I'm a big fan of thinking about
• 1:09:32
  the future of the film industry, post covid because we're seeing
• 1:09:37
  sort of mass shutdowns of the theater system and movies might
• 1:09:42
  Will be made with an eye towards home release as opposed to a
• 1:09:46
  theatrical screening and it's it's like the Earth after that
• 1:09:52
  volcanic eruption that blacked out the sky.
• 1:09:54
  It's going to be a whole new landscape.
• 1:09:57
  Yeah. And you know what like it's a
• 1:09:59
  really solid point. I feel like all the best stuff
• 1:10:02
  that we're watching right now, predominantly is straight to
• 1:10:06
  streaming services, you know, Netflix or Disney plas or HBO or
• 1:10:13
  whatever. You know, like, okay, I know
• 1:10:15
  that's TV but, you know, you can watch it on on streaming, but
• 1:10:18
  yeah. Like the movies.
• 1:10:21
  I mean, yeah, Marvel is doing good stuff.
• 1:10:23
  But like and, you know, they're owned by Disney.
• 1:10:26
  But, you know, I always forget that as weird, isn't it?
• 1:10:28
  How that Disney just owns everything now.
• 1:10:30
  So weird. Yeah.
• 1:10:32
  Ice I'm, I'm I swear to God. This is going to happen Disney
• 1:10:36
  at some point in the next 10 or 15 years are going to acquire
• 1:10:40
  WWE, the wrestling company. Oh no.
• 1:10:42
  Yeah, it's going to happen and you're going to start seeing
• 1:10:45
  like all full crossovers you're going to have, like, I don't
• 1:10:48
  know, John Cena versus what? Like Voltron, yes Ron, yeah,
• 1:10:58
  Darth Vader or something, that's just something awful that
• 1:11:01
  everyone hates. I really do look forward to the
• 1:11:03
  day when it's like, is that the mandalorians theme music and
• 1:11:06
  then it's just somebody supporting an armored towards
• 1:11:08
  the ring and they drop kick the Big Show or whatever it.
• 1:11:14
  I think that would be kind of sick though to see the
• 1:11:17
  Mandalorian buildings that I bet you any money.
• 1:11:22
  Someone's created, the Mandalorian like 2K 20 or
• 1:11:25
  something. God I'm gonna totally reverse
• 1:11:30
  after that's incredible but now you did you you do make a good
• 1:11:38
  point. That I think it's interesting
• 1:11:40
  seeing the like I saw in the news the Christopher Nolan is
• 1:11:45
  having a bit of a tantrum over the fact that movies are
• 1:11:51
  beginning to. I think it's Warner Bros has
• 1:11:52
  made the decision for certain movies that are due to be
• 1:11:55
  released next year. Such as Dune to be released
• 1:12:00
  straight to streaming services on the same time that they're
• 1:12:05
  available to theaters. And I got to say like I think
• 1:12:08
  it's nice to have the option. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:12:11
  Like I think it's really cool. Like if okay, let's say Like a
• 1:12:14
  Star Wars movie comes out right? And you know that on the same
• 1:12:18
  day that you go to the theater you can also just watch it at
• 1:12:22
  home but I think the Warriors are no no one want to go see it
• 1:12:25
  and it's like you what you're forgetting is the cinema.
• 1:12:27
  It is an experience, you know what I mean?
• 1:12:29
  Like, unless you're like super fucking rich and you can afford
• 1:12:32
  a cinema and your house. Chances are, you can't have that
• 1:12:35
  experience. So we're going to get that.
• 1:12:37
  You have to go to a cinema, right?
• 1:12:38
  And it's one of those Industries, I don't think it
• 1:12:40
  will ever die. Maybe it might find in
• 1:12:42
  popularity over the years but it will never die because it's that
• 1:12:45
  Unique Kind of experience and if nothing else we as humans love
• 1:12:50
  to have experiences Jin and I mean like that is this whole
• 1:12:53
  thing, right? That's my firmly.
• 1:12:56
  I firmly believe that. More choice is always a benefit
• 1:12:59
  to the consumer. Yes.
• 1:13:00
  So I absolutely think that this move of putting all these things
• 1:13:04
  on streaming services while they're available in theaters is
• 1:13:06
  a smart one. And I think it's an
• 1:13:07
  acknowledgement moving forward that like, you cannot ignore
• 1:13:12
  these markets, like the things that are most successful that in
• 1:13:16
  recent memory, these pop culture things, Mandalorian, stranger
• 1:13:21
  things, sort of these series that are being created by
• 1:13:24
  streaming services outside of the typical Studios.
• 1:13:27
  System, as much as Netflix and Amazon aren't becoming the
• 1:13:31
  typical Studio system, it's really fascinating and exciting
• 1:13:36
  that I love the idea that so many of my friends are writing
• 1:13:39
  scripts and renting the cameras to shoot that are on the
• 1:13:44
  approved list of Netflix cameras.
• 1:13:47
  Because if you filmed with one of those cameras and you make
• 1:13:49
  your movie, you can send it to Netflix and they can be like,
• 1:13:51
  alright, alright, well this, yeah, I've spoken to people I've
• 1:13:54
  had people in the podcast before who've actually been into With
• 1:13:57
  Netflix and is like holy crap. Like wow, like that, it's
• 1:14:01
  exciting. Yeah, I love that.
• 1:14:03
  These resources are being made, slightly more accessible to
• 1:14:09
  these smaller creative Endeavors and obviously you're still going
• 1:14:14
  to have the equivalent of direct-to-video home movie
• 1:14:18
  vanity projects. Let's call them and I just I
• 1:14:23
  love it so much more than the idea of you gotta move to LA and
• 1:14:26
  you gotta get an age. Gin and you gotta just be
• 1:14:28
  writing and Starbucks every day. I hate that stereotype of what
• 1:14:32
  the industry has become. Yeah.
• 1:14:35
  I mean I gotta say, like, when I was a kid like, you know, the
• 1:14:38
  perform Living in America was the dream.
• 1:14:40
  Whereas now I look at it like Hollywood, I've been to
• 1:14:44
  Hollywood, have you seen Hollywood, Hollywood is Tiny and
• 1:14:48
  l.a. It's not the greatest place to
• 1:14:51
  live. There are nice parts of LA but
• 1:14:53
  actually, just the day in the day out.
• 1:14:57
  You know, I hear a lot of stories.
• 1:14:58
  I've met a lot of people from from from California.
• 1:15:01
  It's it's mixed. I mean, it's like, anywhere else
• 1:15:03
  in the world, but you know what, you just said there that
• 1:15:06
  stereotype. That's a very real reality over
• 1:15:10
  there. Like everyone is a fucking
• 1:15:11
  Entertainer over there. Everyone's trying to make it big
• 1:15:14
  and, you know, I think it. Yeah it's good.
• 1:15:17
  That the world is changing in that regard and just going back
• 1:15:20
  to the the choice Factor. Like I think it's cool.
• 1:15:24
  This idea that you can Because normally, when a movie is out in
• 1:15:28
  the theaters, right? It's out in there in there
• 1:15:32
  sometimes for many months at a time.
• 1:15:35
  Usually, a maximum of two months, maybe three months,
• 1:15:37
  whatever? Right.
• 1:15:37
  Depends on the success of the movie.
• 1:15:40
  But you have to wait, like almost like half a year to get
• 1:15:44
  that on DVD or Blu-ray or whatever, right?
• 1:15:50
  So it kind of that alienates you, if you know, you're just
• 1:15:53
  not a movie going like you do not, I mean, like many of us are
• 1:15:58
  introverted, your mom never buyer.
• 1:16:00
  I totally Why you wouldn't want to go to a crowded theater full
• 1:16:05
  of people to go watch a movie Jen?
• 1:16:07
  And I mean, it's like, It's not everyone's thing, you know, or
• 1:16:12
  maybe you want to go see it later on.
• 1:16:14
  Like I remember, this is a weird story but when I went to see
• 1:16:17
  Revenge of the Sith back in like 2005, I was actually grounded
• 1:16:22
  around that time so I didn't get to see it when it came out, but
• 1:16:27
  I had to hear everyone at school.
• 1:16:30
  Talk about it for like, two months straight, and I was so
• 1:16:33
  grateful when I finally got to see it in like the third month,
• 1:16:37
  it was still there. I was lucky.
• 1:16:40
  And I went there, that wasn't loads of people, but it was so
• 1:16:43
  much more enjoyable because there is less people and are
• 1:16:46
  sitting back finally seeing the movie.
• 1:16:49
  And it didn't, it didn't change it for me, didn't make it any
• 1:16:53
  that I didn't. There are loads of people that,
• 1:16:55
  you know, queue up to get the new iPhone, the queue up to get
• 1:16:57
  the next thing and like that. That's how they live their life
• 1:17:00
  and that's how they have to live their life.
• 1:17:01
  Because, you know, they have to be there as soon as the thing
• 1:17:04
  comes out and I'm like, I don't give a fuck, I can wait a bit of
• 1:17:08
  time. Like why does it matter?
• 1:17:09
  Matter, like Jim, I mean, like, I'll still get the thing, but
• 1:17:12
  that's the thing as well. With these major companies,
• 1:17:15
  these directors, their dentist worrying that are, this is less
• 1:17:18
  money in my pocket and it's like you still get your money.
• 1:17:21
  You just have to make make the right business deals.
• 1:17:25
  That's the reality of the situation and let's be honest
• 1:17:27
  like that. Nolan guy makes so much money
• 1:17:29
  already. He did Inception, didn't he?
• 1:17:32
  And The Batman Trilogy? Yes.
• 1:17:35
  God, I think on the subject of theater is something that I've
• 1:17:39
  seen Locally but I'm sort of hoping a year or so.
• 1:17:43
  From now when everybody's been vaccinated and returns to safely
• 1:17:46
  to public, I would love to see theaters going the direction of
• 1:17:51
  sort of running older movies. Instead of.
• 1:17:54
  Yeah, so focusing entirely on new releases which they might be
• 1:17:57
  competing with these streaming services.
• 1:17:59
  Now I would I never got to see Jurassic Park in the theater.
• 1:18:02
  I never got to see the original Nightmare on Elm Street and
• 1:18:05
  theater. I was absolutely pay for the
• 1:18:08
  opportunity to go experience it. In that way, in London, in the
• 1:18:11
  UK, there's actually a theater that does this.
• 1:18:14
  And they do like in Leicester Square.
• 1:18:17
  So, if you everyone whole day there, Leicester, Square, go to
• 1:18:20
  the middle Plaza and there's like a little Cinema in a
• 1:18:24
  Backstreet sounds dodgy. But it's okay.
• 1:18:27
  And isn't it Chinatown? So it's great.
• 1:18:29
  Yeah. And anyway, they always do like
• 1:18:31
  marathons of like Star Wars, Lord, of the Rings, you name it.
• 1:18:35
  And I always look at that. I've never been, but I would
• 1:18:37
  love to go and I look at that, like how Like you know why would
• 1:18:41
  you wanna go seen Back to the Future Trilogy in cinema like
• 1:18:46
  fuck? Yeah it's different experience
• 1:18:48
  and it's that it's that thing it's that that experience you
• 1:18:51
  can always recreate as well and doesn't matter how long the
• 1:18:55
  movies been out for you know. They mean I think if the movie
• 1:18:59
  is good and the experience is offered then why not?
• 1:19:03
  Yeah and I'm sure that I don't know how to go about getting the
• 1:19:07
  distribution rights for these older films.
• 1:19:09
  Or whatever, who gets paid in what amount from training area,
• 1:19:13
  but I think about how 10 it was this movie that came out
• 1:19:17
  recently and was like going to save, the people are going to be
• 1:19:21
  watching tenant like 15 years from now in a theater in
• 1:19:24
  Leicester Square. It really is just the
• 1:19:27
  opportunity to see these. Like, I don't want to say
• 1:19:30
  seminal works. But like these, these perfect
• 1:19:33
  little films. Like I for the opportunity to
• 1:19:35
  see Gremlins, 2, the new batch in theaters.
• 1:19:37
  I don't know what I wouldn't. Honestly, yeah, I get what you
• 1:19:43
  mean. I think a school as well, when
• 1:19:46
  you can see like, more independent releases and stuff
• 1:19:49
  and, you know, II think it would be cool if we got to a point
• 1:19:55
  where somehow you could choose whatever movie you want to see
• 1:20:00
  in the cinema. I don't know how that would be
• 1:20:02
  possible. Maybe I'm just thinking way too
• 1:20:04
  far in the future, but that would be awesome.
• 1:20:08
  This is a big idea. I have heard that they are
• 1:20:11
  renting out whole theaters, like you can for whatever size party
• 1:20:16
  you have, you can rent out the theater and I wonder if you
• 1:20:18
  could also just kind of slipped the guy, an extra $20 and be
• 1:20:21
  like Play Back to the Future Part 2, instead of tenant for
• 1:20:24
  me. Please well like do funny stuff
• 1:20:26
  like hey could you play Revenge at the sit?
• 1:20:29
  No. But rikuo's.
• 1:20:31
  Pay the prequels but only the memes.
• 1:20:34
  Hmm. Just sit back and enjoy.
• 1:20:37
  Could you play The Wizard of Oz? And also, Pink Floyd's, Dark
• 1:20:40
  Side of the Moon for us. Thank you very much.
• 1:20:45
  Well, I'd be like, hey, could you play Monty Python?
• 1:20:49
  But only all of the unnecessary unfunny uncut stuff, you just
• 1:20:55
  sit there like huh, huh? What a cinematic experience that
• 1:21:02
  would be, or just, you know, like, years ago, apparently in
• 1:21:07
  like the 40s, or whatever. They would actually have like a
• 1:21:10
  rhotic movie. It's like porn basically.
• 1:21:12
  Uh, yeah, they've chosen Cinemas and I often wonder, Imagine like
• 1:21:16
  modern important. You could just go to the theater
• 1:21:18
  and watch Modern porn in like I don't know, HD Mac IMAX wherever
• 1:21:25
  that would be just kind of think spectacular.
• 1:21:29
  I think the only exposure I've had this is there's a scene in
• 1:21:34
  American Werewolf in London where they sort of got back and
• 1:21:38
  forth to a movie theater. Where somebody's watching porn?
• 1:21:40
  And yeah, of course, Pee-wee Herman being arrested for
• 1:21:47
  indecent exposure and erotic movie theater.
• 1:21:52
  It must be like an American thing because I don't think I've
• 1:21:54
  ever seen that anywhere else. I mean, maybe maybe see, I
• 1:21:57
  stopped myself because I almost said I think that happened in
• 1:22:01
  Florida. Almost didn't want it.
• 1:22:04
  We've got enough bad press already.
• 1:22:06
  Leave us alone, guys. Yeah I'm not doing us.
• 1:22:08
  Any favors speaking of bad press?
• 1:22:11
  What are your worst moments in improv so far?
• 1:22:16
  Oh God! Okay, this one should be easy.
• 1:22:21
  Really of your worst moments for my enjoyment hahaha.
• 1:22:26
  I think my worst moments thankfully have not been on
• 1:22:30
  stage. I think there's a certain
• 1:22:31
  pressure to perform that comes over me when I'm about to do
• 1:22:33
  that and I play it very safe but I remember just as I was getting
• 1:22:37
  started at the club still very much trying to make friends, I
• 1:22:42
  spaced out, we were doing this game where one person does the
• 1:22:48
  voice, like the all you can do. Do is speak and then you tag out
• 1:22:52
  whenever there's supposed to be action and movement in the
• 1:22:54
  scene. So I was doing the action and
• 1:22:56
  movement for somebody, and they were in an ice cream shop.
• 1:22:58
  And that was all, I could remember about the scene because
• 1:23:00
  I blanked out, whatever they were saying, and then I get
• 1:23:02
  tapped in and I go and I just pull out a gun on, like somebody
• 1:23:07
  who is now one of my dearest friends during this scene, I was
• 1:23:10
  just like shocked. I remember people like hot red
• 1:23:14
  in the face to embarrass because I was like, that's it.
• 1:23:16
  They know that I'm bad now and we're never going to You friends
• 1:23:20
  after this and thankfully that wasn't true.
• 1:23:26
  Truly the most, I laugh because of the absurdity of it, there's
• 1:23:29
  a bit of a nervous laugh. It's one of the, the Cardinal
• 1:23:33
  rules, I think of improv when I was just starting out was like,
• 1:23:36
  don't bring a gun into a scene. You know how saying no is bad.
• 1:23:40
  Pulling a gun on another character is basically the
• 1:23:42
  biggest no ever, because I Could Just Kill their character and
• 1:23:46
  negate them completely. Okay, interesting.
• 1:23:50
  Thing. The other thing I remember and
• 1:23:52
  this was like, this felt like being scolded by the teacher,
• 1:23:56
  except these people were both. My age was, we played a game,
• 1:24:00
  where there's four people is called Bernie I believe, and you
• 1:24:05
  act out a scene with a lot of movement preferably and then at
• 1:24:08
  the end of that scene, people vote on who to cut.
• 1:24:11
  So they sort of put your hand over your head and by Applause,
• 1:24:14
  they cut that person out of seen.
• 1:24:15
  This, your part has to be played by the other remaining people in
• 1:24:19
  the scene. So I forget what was going.
• 1:24:22
  I think it was a salon and I like came in at the beginning.
• 1:24:24
  I did very little and then I left and I was like, oh I need
• 1:24:27
  to add more to the scene. So just sort of ignoring what
• 1:24:29
  everybody else had done, I ran in and like fake slapped.
• 1:24:33
  Like you know, you do like that, hit your arm kind of thing and
• 1:24:37
  there was just like a big stunt to silence because I kind of ran
• 1:24:40
  aggressively back on stage for this bit and then the time came
• 1:24:44
  for them to vote somebody off and it was like I was the last
• 1:24:47
  in line. So first person's head size.
• 1:24:50
  Silence. Second person said One Clap
• 1:24:52
  third person said, silence. They put it over my head, and it
• 1:24:57
  was just like uproarious applause.
• 1:24:59
  They were like, get him out. And then after that game
• 1:25:02
  concluded, I was sitting in the back and they were like, hey,
• 1:25:05
  y'all. This isn't targeted at anyone
• 1:25:07
  specifically, but don't feel like you have to just sort of
• 1:25:12
  add things to the senior just sort of, you know, and I avoid
• 1:25:17
  confusing, her violent movements and I was hated People are like
• 1:25:20
  that fucking phone. Be a pussy.
• 1:25:23
  Don't be a dick. Just come over and say, hey
• 1:25:25
  dude, don't do that. I'm a big fan of the come over
• 1:25:28
  and be like, you know, you did. I know what I did?
• 1:25:31
  Okay, well, I just I just hate that.
• 1:25:34
  Like it's like when you're in school and someone and you know,
• 1:25:38
  someone I don't know aggressively shouts or something
• 1:25:40
  and it's that now class if you don't need to do this and it's
• 1:25:44
  like we all fucking know that it was this guy.
• 1:25:46
  It's like it's a very tame form of collective punishment.
• 1:25:50
  But I think it was definitely Justified.
• 1:25:52
  I never did that again. I could, you know, I think if I
• 1:25:58
  have to think of a time when I really messed up a performance,
• 1:26:02
  and this is a bit close to the chest, I think it was when we
• 1:26:07
  were in Chicago performing for the finals of the college improv
• 1:26:11
  tournament. So it was the stage that we've
• 1:26:13
  never been on. It was this crowd in this style
• 1:26:16
  of improv that they were used to was so different from ours.
• 1:26:18
  So felt like nothing was clicking.
• 1:26:20
  And I felt like we were also sort of like, looking for our
• 1:26:26
  footing. And so I sort of introduced, I
• 1:26:30
  was like, you know, who could help us with this problem.
• 1:26:32
  Slim Jim and slim. Jim was sort of this recurring
• 1:26:35
  character that we discovered in practice.
• 1:26:37
  There's like a real American hero type.
• 1:26:40
  And there's probably not a month or two that goes by where I
• 1:26:44
  don't think if I hadn't introduced this character into
• 1:26:47
  the scene, like maybe it would have gone differently.
• 1:26:50
  Maybe like the audience would have connected more.
• 1:26:52
  If I didn't centered around this sort of American figure that it
• 1:26:57
  does. It's Chicago to wrestling Town.
• 1:27:00
  Slim Jin, touch Man. Randy Savage what's not to love.
• 1:27:04
  I wish, but Macho, Man. I-i've got I would kill for some
• 1:27:10
  Macho Madness. Listen, I'm the cream of the
• 1:27:15
  crop just so this, slim jim. My favorite wrestling thing ever
• 1:27:24
  has to be Scott Steiners incredible rant about math.
• 1:27:30
  Oh my God. Yeah, 33.3 percent chance of
• 1:27:35
  beating and then Kurt Angle, he knows, he's not gonna win.
• 1:27:37
  So he's not even gonna try so that you factor that into my 52
• 1:27:41
  %. + 66, I'm 111 percent chance of wood to your 32%.
• 1:27:46
  And it's like God, what were they pumping these wrestlers
• 1:27:49
  full of that? That made it to air.
• 1:27:51
  That's insane. I always just left the stupid
• 1:27:53
  shit and rest it like for some reason Big Show's theme tune is
• 1:27:56
  in my head where it's like we're inside this just like I remember
• 1:28:03
  seeing a video online of this combination of just people going
• 1:28:05
  away. Where where's me?
• 1:28:09
  I don't know why it's so funny. God I absolutely A door Bret the
• 1:28:14
  Hitman Hart and his theme song is just like some dude talking
• 1:28:17
  or me. He's like, cool.
• 1:28:19
  No, I'm sexy. And I'm like, yeah, getting
• 1:28:21
  this. Because, yeah, if it's his
• 1:28:24
  character as well because like back then he was like a real
• 1:28:27
  asshole. So it's kind of It, kind of
• 1:28:29
  works like think I'm cool. No thanks.
• 1:28:33
  Got the looks. It's like God, shut up.
• 1:28:35
  You smile me prick? My friend and Mentor Brooks
• 1:28:39
  Oglesby, who? I mentioned earlier is a big fan
• 1:28:42
  of World Wrestling. Entertainment.
• 1:28:43
  And he wrote a dissertation about how wrestling is like, no
• 1:28:48
  other medium because the fan reaction in real-time influences
• 1:28:52
  storyline in a way that you don't get with any other thing.
• 1:28:55
  Yeah. An interesting part of that as
• 1:28:57
  well as for example, if a guy is a heel bad guy and he's getting
• 1:29:01
  like really good reactions from the crowd.
• 1:29:04
  Often, the company will go with that.
• 1:29:07
  And will, you know, like the wrestler itself will got?
• 1:29:09
  We'll go with the crowd reaction and then play up to whatever the
• 1:29:12
  crowd. Saying stuff like, you know,
• 1:29:14
  they're actually love this guy, he's going to keep being the
• 1:29:16
  good guy, you know, if the crowd keep hating on him he's gonna be
• 1:29:20
  like well fuck you then and be a bad guy and you know, it's a bit
• 1:29:24
  that as long as the company allows that person creative
• 1:29:26
  freedom, then they can kind of go with what the crowd is, is
• 1:29:31
  kind of giving them and really make something of it.
• 1:29:33
  So yeah, I like crowd interaction in.
• 1:29:35
  Professional wrestling is essential Point, probably the
• 1:29:38
  key component. That's why right now wrestling
• 1:29:42
  is. Massive wrestling fan if you
• 1:29:43
  couldn't tell. But anyway, like this whole time
• 1:29:47
  for the pandemic, it's been, there's been no crowds.
• 1:29:50
  I mean there's slowly some fans coming back, basically not what
• 1:29:55
  it was. You think typically it was a
• 1:29:57
  Rena's full of like 20, 30 thousand people.
• 1:30:00
  And you know if they love the guy, you would hear it if there
• 1:30:03
  was apathy. Oh my fuck, would you hear that?
• 1:30:06
  If there was not liking a guy you know, you're going to hear
• 1:30:09
  that. So not having that at all.
• 1:30:13
  It's bizarre. It's like, it's like stand-up
• 1:30:16
  comedy without a crowd. It's like, it doesn't, it
• 1:30:20
  doesn't work. It feels strange.
• 1:30:22
  It's nothing to push off of and I'm reminded of Roman Reigns
• 1:30:29
  when they were trying to push him as sort of like a baby face.
• 1:30:32
  They the 8 Minute clip of people just booing him as he's holding
• 1:30:37
  the mic looking. So dejected waiting for his turn
• 1:30:40
  to speak. That was brilliant.
• 1:30:42
  No, because the With that though, I think he did that
• 1:30:44
  really well, because he just beaten the I think it was when
• 1:30:47
  he beat the Undertaker after WrestleMania, right?
• 1:30:49
  So he comes out and everyone's booing the fuck out of him on
• 1:30:52
  raw and he doesn't say anything in credit to him.
• 1:30:57
  Every time he tries to speak they just blew him more but it
• 1:31:00
  sounds like that's just the war after WrestleMania crowd, there
• 1:31:03
  are souls but it's great, great TV and then he just goes, it's
• 1:31:07
  my yard. Now I never was like, I love it.
• 1:31:14
  That's when they should have made him a bad guy.
• 1:31:15
  They've made about a bad guy now and it's brilliant, but that's
• 1:31:19
  when they should have been like, yeah, let's let's make him read
• 1:31:21
  it because they, you know, it's like anytime you you go against
• 1:31:24
  what your crowd wants, they're just going to give you how, you
• 1:31:27
  know, I mean, like, in comedy, that would be the equivalent of
• 1:31:29
  hecklers. Wouldn't like, if you, if, you
• 1:31:31
  go against what they, let's say, you're trying to push a joke and
• 1:31:34
  no one likes it, they're going to give you hell for it.
• 1:31:37
  I remember going to a show, one time, comedy show, and this guy,
• 1:31:41
  and he was a Scottish guy. So you think easy, Scottish guy
• 1:31:45
  comedy? I mean, it's missionary work,
• 1:31:47
  right? But like, he just absolutely
• 1:31:50
  bombed and let everyone bombs sometimes shit happens, right?
• 1:31:54
  But he kept trying to push this like Hitler joke, right?
• 1:31:58
  Wasn't work and normally Hitler jokes Nancy jokes in the UK.
• 1:32:02
  It's, you know, it's easy. It's like classic human, right,
• 1:32:05
  but he just wasn't getting it. It just we're not, it's not
• 1:32:09
  funny the way you're doing. It is not funny, no one likes
• 1:32:12
  it, but But so then he just like starts picking on a guy in the
• 1:32:15
  audience and we were crowd of, like, I don't know, like work
• 1:32:20
  people, people that work together yet so we all know each
• 1:32:23
  other. So he picks this guy and he's
• 1:32:25
  like, oh you, you bald prick, like our economy by blah and
• 1:32:29
  big. The guy is name was James.
• 1:32:31
  Who was a manager at my company. He just goes to the comedian.
• 1:32:34
  He goes, you're not funny and no one thinks she's funny, and then
• 1:32:38
  we're all just laughing and clapping him.
• 1:32:40
  The committee is, like, he go. He said something like you're
• 1:32:44
  the worst crowd I've ever performed for and fuck you.
• 1:32:47
  I'm leaving, blah, blah, blah, and we just booted off stage.
• 1:32:49
  She's just talking to the worst comedian who's ever performed
• 1:32:52
  for us. Wow, we just do.
• 1:32:55
  You know what? He gave us more hell than we
• 1:32:58
  gave him. Like he called us all see you
• 1:33:00
  next year. Yeah, he's he's got the
• 1:33:02
  microphone. He's gonna go nuts with it for
• 1:33:04
  sure, but it was little bit like you could you couldn't accept
• 1:33:08
  defeat gracious. Like, I've seen people bomb and
• 1:33:10
  just been really good about it and just leave and then they Sit
• 1:33:12
  and they even get clap afterwards.
• 1:33:14
  He did not go clap. He just got booed and we'll just
• 1:33:17
  laughed off. So that was cringe to watch and
• 1:33:20
  think, I don't think I've ever had any good heckles.
• 1:33:22
  But what happened to my friend down, where he started off his
• 1:33:27
  bit and he just kind of like, said something just to throw it
• 1:33:31
  out there. Like, it wasn't a joke, it
• 1:33:32
  wasn't a setup. It wasn't like a riff on the
• 1:33:35
  previous person. He was just like, wow, everybody
• 1:33:38
  having a good time and then somebody from the Provost rough
• 1:33:41
  start, It's the best tackle I've ever heard, is it would have
• 1:33:51
  been down? Sometime would have been worse
• 1:33:53
  if he'd been like, you know, I was until you showed up but you
• 1:34:00
  never want the person who is answering honestly like, well,
• 1:34:02
  you know, it's been really rough since she took the kids and
• 1:34:08
  yeah, well, speaking of Comedy, I mean, you've done stand-up
• 1:34:12
  Madiba for, What you got to tell me some bombing stories man?
• 1:34:18
  Come on, God. See my problem is I haven't done
• 1:34:23
  stand-up since I've started doing acting because I started
• 1:34:27
  acting in January this year. Sort of stopped doing stand-up
• 1:34:29
  around the same time because of schedule conflicts and also the
• 1:34:35
  virus picking up, I didn't want to be going to these small sort
• 1:34:38
  of open mics. They're starting to open up back
• 1:34:40
  now, debating with myself about whether or not I do it wrong.
• 1:34:47
  Safely safely safely. Yeah, I'll join in by zoom and
• 1:34:52
  they'll put a tablet on a Segway and I'll address people from
• 1:34:55
  that. But I remember I think it was
• 1:34:57
  the first time I went to an open mic that was mostly comedians.
• 1:35:01
  Because before that I was going to open mics words like mostly
• 1:35:04
  people sort of mix two mics where they're doing singing and
• 1:35:09
  usually it's just me and my friends who were coming to do
• 1:35:11
  tell jokes and the crowds, they're super nice.
• 1:35:14
  They love everybody. D.
• 1:35:15
  And then I go to this mic. That's mostly comedians.
• 1:35:17
  I'm doing the same material but because I hadn't had much
• 1:35:21
  performance practice. I was doing a little differently
• 1:35:23
  every time so I wasn't if something worked at might not
• 1:35:26
  always appear in that five minutes depending on how it was
• 1:35:29
  going. And other comedians are so used
• 1:35:32
  to joke since I used to hearing jokes.
• 1:35:34
  They don't react like a crowd. If they like your joke, then
• 1:35:36
  lady snapped, two or three times and be like, honestly, good one.
• 1:35:39
  But you're getting no laughter and that scared the shit out of
• 1:35:42
  me. So I just have this video of me
• 1:35:45
  on Google drive somewhere that I hate to watch.
• 1:35:48
  It's just me being like so yeah, my dad he was a Satanist but he
• 1:35:55
  was like bad Satanist. He only he only went to Black
• 1:36:00
  Mass on like anti Christmas Eve and three days before Easter.
• 1:36:05
  Uh-huh. It's like, it's just such a
• 1:36:13
  perfect example of like, man. I finished that five minutes set
• 1:36:17
  in 2 minutes and 30 seconds because I want to leave.
• 1:36:20
  Yeah, I got it II. Love.
• 1:36:27
  I love bombing. I always hate it.
• 1:36:31
  You must be that the first comedian to ever say that
• 1:36:35
  there's just something about. I feel like this is weird to
• 1:36:38
  say. I'm motivated a lot.
• 1:36:39
  Bye. B like all interesting, okay,
• 1:36:43
  sort of how if you're doing a show and the crowd is lukewarm.
• 1:36:49
  Mmm, I'm always putting that extra ten twenty percent in
• 1:36:53
  because I gotta break these fuckers open.
• 1:36:54
  I've got to get something going because I'm not gonna sit here
• 1:36:58
  and be gawked at by like Regina and Eugene who are 70 years old,
• 1:37:03
  and they've come to the theater on an afternoon to enjoy some
• 1:37:05
  light entertainment and I get the same way about comedy, where
• 1:37:09
  it's If the crowd is like buddy, I'm like yeah you know what?
• 1:37:13
  Fuck you like. I'm gonna I'm gonna lean into
• 1:37:15
  this a little bit harder and that doesn't work with a crowd
• 1:37:18
  of comedians because they're like, who the fuck are you
• 1:37:21
  getting mad? New guy, get out of here and
• 1:37:23
  it's like it's a very different Community than I expected it to
• 1:37:28
  be. Especially since I started with
• 1:37:29
  improv, it's very much a fun, goofy light-hearted side and
• 1:37:33
  then there's a sort of cynicism to comedy community that I've
• 1:37:37
  seen, which, in some ways feels Talk to me because I don't like
• 1:37:41
  to go blue with a lot of my humor and it feels like you
• 1:37:45
  almost are working uphill in that respect.
• 1:37:47
  If you're not, if you're not using everything at your
• 1:37:50
  disposal because I'm 23, I have fuck all for life experience.
• 1:37:53
  Like, what am I going to tell jokes about she's eating.
• 1:37:57
  Like that, that cynicism that you spoke about from your peers.
• 1:38:01
  I remember feeling that when I was in my first metal band years
• 1:38:04
  ago, I was about Between the ages of 18 to 21.
• 1:38:09
  Like I said, I've always been in bands was been doing stuff, but
• 1:38:11
  this is my first band. And we were very young 1819
• 1:38:16
  1615, that young kids We're playing all sorts of shows
• 1:38:22
  around London, right? And I remember there was this
• 1:38:24
  one show that we played, where I can remember the other band, but
• 1:38:27
  I remember specifically that the middle band that was even after
• 1:38:31
  us or before or something like that were a punk band in there,
• 1:38:36
  like 40s 50s. So it's like a band.
• 1:38:39
  That's got back here. The band's got back together,
• 1:38:41
  right? And there's nothing wrong with
• 1:38:42
  that. I'm not shooting on that.
• 1:38:43
  I love punk music. I, you know, of old pants.
• 1:38:46
  Yeah, yeah, fine. Right.
• 1:38:48
  But they're at it. You'd made it cringe.
• 1:38:52
  So like in the inside like you know, like you said about
• 1:38:55
  networking with, you know, with comedians in the entertainment
• 1:38:58
  industry, trying to make it right, obviously very important
• 1:39:01
  in the music industry as well and I was always kind of one of
• 1:39:05
  the leaders of the band always trying to meet people make
• 1:39:07
  connections bubble. But I also just get to know
• 1:39:09
  people, you know what I mean? Like, if you see people they've
• 1:39:12
  been playing for a while, you want to know their stories, you
• 1:39:14
  want to learn from them, absorb from them.
• 1:39:17
  So I tried to speak to them and I remember in particular, Ocular
• 1:39:20
  the singer bald guy was just like he took himself so fucking
• 1:39:24
  seriously. And it was it was so painful
• 1:39:27
  that he wouldn't give me the time of day and then he went on
• 1:39:29
  stage and they played and we all just stood there looking at them
• 1:39:33
  after they'd been rude to us and we were watching them like
• 1:39:36
  Jesus. This is like watching your dad
• 1:39:39
  play but like he's just shit. Yeah.
• 1:39:44
  Dad. If your dad could shred, it
• 1:39:46
  would be one thing that would be one thing.
• 1:39:48
  But if your dad is A rude asshole who takes themselves too
• 1:39:53
  seriously. And on top of all of that isn't
• 1:39:56
  good. This is like ah, it is a whole
• 1:40:02
  other ballgame if somebody's talking the talk but they can't
• 1:40:05
  walk the walk but even if they can to, you know, if they're
• 1:40:10
  rude also but then they can walk the walk like they still you
• 1:40:13
  still look at them in a certain way.
• 1:40:14
  You know. I mean you're like well because
• 1:40:16
  it's like you said like what was that?
• 1:40:18
  How did you put it? It like we're being friendly in
• 1:40:22
  general. Like, that's how you make it,
• 1:40:24
  sort of. Yeah, like I really think
• 1:40:26
  there's a lot to that, like, since I've been much more open
• 1:40:30
  minded and, you know, really gone out of my way to just like
• 1:40:34
  be nice to everyone around me and stuff.
• 1:40:36
  Not because I'm trying to get something but because like,
• 1:40:38
  that's just how a human should operate.
• 1:40:41
  And also, you know, like it does actually open up doors for you.
• 1:40:45
  Like, if you're an arse off your difficult to work with, I think,
• 1:40:48
  in Years Gone, By in decades, gone by maybe you could have got
• 1:40:52
  away with that. But I think now you can't
• 1:40:55
  because you just build a reputation and no one want to
• 1:40:58
  work with you and then you're screwed, you know?
• 1:41:01
  It's like I look at people like James Corden, for example, and I
• 1:41:04
  wonder how that guy is so successful, because all his
• 1:41:08
  peers, anyone that works with him, says he's absolute asshole
• 1:41:12
  and apparently, like really unprofessional and all of this
• 1:41:15
  stuff. Right?
• 1:41:15
  And I'm like, I'm amazed that the Until industry allows him.
• 1:41:20
  Like he must just purely being going like, going off previous
• 1:41:24
  work and name recognition at this point because but I feel
• 1:41:27
  like eventually that's going to catch up with you even if you
• 1:41:29
  are being successful and one moment like we know that, you
• 1:41:33
  know, that expression that Fame only last like 15 minutes,
• 1:41:36
  right? And obviously I feel like right
• 1:41:38
  now, yeah it's on top of the world but maybe in five ten
• 1:41:41
  years, no, not even know who he is, you know?
• 1:41:43
  I mean it can be as brutal as that and I just wonder about
• 1:41:47
  that sometimes like yeah. How can I go around being like
• 1:41:51
  that? I think it goes back to you want
• 1:41:53
  to be famous for the right reasons.
• 1:41:55
  You want to be known as somebody who's good to work with who's
• 1:41:57
  always on time for your calls and who's always like extending
• 1:42:01
  that hand. There's a southern ISM that I'm
• 1:42:04
  kind of fond of that maybe you've not been exposed to but
• 1:42:07
  it goes something like, you should always be nice to someone
• 1:42:10
  first because you can be mean to somebody later.
• 1:42:13
  But if you're mean to somebody first, you can't be nice to them
• 1:42:15
  later. Hmm, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah,
• 1:42:20
  you're right, 100%. You're right.
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  Yeah, because I mean some people more forgiving a lot of people
• 1:42:28
  are just like, no fuck you like I know like for me if someone is
• 1:42:31
  rude to me. I rarely ever give them the time
• 1:42:37
  of the day. Like, I will accept, hey, we all
• 1:42:39
  have a bad day but you know what?
• 1:42:40
  I have bad days and I'm never rude to people on a bad day.
• 1:42:43
  I just go okay, maybe I'm not in the greatest mood right now and
• 1:42:47
  I'll often tell that person on my hey you know maybe I'm not in
• 1:42:49
  a talking mood right now and they kind of know like haha, OK.
• 1:42:52
  Maybe guys going through some shit right about lighting yet.
• 1:42:56
  Please give me. Yeah, that's a thing.
• 1:42:58
  I get that. Yeah, I need to if I don't eat
• 1:43:03
  Incredible Hulk assumption. Yes.
• 1:43:04
  A terror. Yeah.
• 1:43:09
  But died. Yeah you got you got to be
• 1:43:12
  professional with these things. You got to be a nice to beep.
• 1:43:15
  I mean it sounds such as like a statistical thing to say like
• 1:43:18
  we're going to be nice to people but you do like it and you
• 1:43:22
  shouldn't have to be told to be nice to people.
• 1:43:24
  Like I feel like it's, it makes life easier like I feel like if
• 1:43:29
  you're an asshole it just makes your life harder.
• 1:43:31
  And I don't understand how people Ooh, who act that way?
• 1:43:34
  Can't see that. But surely, they come to a
• 1:43:37
  Crossroads where they're like, do you know what?
• 1:43:38
  I don't like people but maybe I need to be nice to get stuff.
• 1:43:43
  I think there's like an interesting Crossroads between
• 1:43:47
  being friendly and being professional.
• 1:43:49
  I think that yes, people think about being professional a lot
• 1:43:52
  as being robotic, or like you have to be sort of clinical
• 1:43:56
  about your business dealings, but the most success that I
• 1:43:59
  found is is when I'm just genuinely myself And I approach
• 1:44:04
  people. I've, I've written applications
• 1:44:07
  for podcasts and I fill out the boxes, like, I'm talking to that
• 1:44:09
  person. I write dialogue at Glee,
• 1:44:11
  instead of just edited edited and that gets a response from
• 1:44:17
  people, people want to work with personalities and they want to
• 1:44:20
  work with I don't want to say a complete human being but like
• 1:44:25
  somebody who's more than just business.
• 1:44:30
  Yeah, the way I see it as I've people come to me, they say oh I
• 1:44:36
  do you know anybody who can do this and the answer is usually.
• 1:44:39
  Yes, because I've been able to surround myself with a lot of
• 1:44:42
  talented people and those relationships that you cultivate
• 1:44:45
  and being able to make those connections and widen your web
• 1:44:50
  of contacts and the amount of people You have on your bench,
• 1:44:53
  who can do different things. Like, that's how you get to the
• 1:44:57
  point where you're putting on shows and how you get to the
• 1:45:00
  point where you're creating opportunities for yourself to
• 1:45:04
  perform instead of participating in opportunities to somebody
• 1:45:06
  else is created. Yeah, I mean, it's like for me
• 1:45:10
  professionalism is more about the actions of a person.
• 1:45:15
  So like if I'm going to work with someone, you know, are they
• 1:45:19
  punctual, you know, in the manor?
• 1:45:22
  That they speak to me, are they polite, you know, are they being
• 1:45:26
  realistic with their expectations?
• 1:45:28
  You know, like I can't count how many times like for instance, I
• 1:45:31
  was due to appear on someone's podcast.
• 1:45:33
  Obviously, I never say names because that I consider to be
• 1:45:36
  unprofessional. Slating people openly that you
• 1:45:40
  can say you can imply things about people.
• 1:45:42
  And if they know that that's them, then we take that on
• 1:45:45
  board. But I don't, I don't agree in
• 1:45:47
  just like outright, slating bit, not unless like, I don't know.
• 1:45:52
  It's out there already and they've confronted you about
• 1:45:55
  else or something like that. But like ultimately I just don't
• 1:45:57
  think it's professional to really talk badly about other
• 1:46:00
  people ever. Like if anything talk good about
• 1:46:03
  people behind their back into people, but don't talk bad about
• 1:46:06
  people, you know what I mean? Like, save the bad stuff to say
• 1:46:08
  to that person's face. But yeah, I've had people where
• 1:46:13
  they've been kind of difficult. Like, for example, I remember
• 1:46:17
  there was one where I was trying to go on this person's show and
• 1:46:21
  they wanted it to do like an hour-long talk.
• 1:46:27
  A couple of days before to, like, introduce me get to know
• 1:46:32
  me. And so I'm fine with like, a
• 1:46:33
  5-10 minute like, hey, how's it going?
• 1:46:36
  This is the format blah blah blah, right?
• 1:46:38
  But an hour, and like, I didn't want to kind of come out and say
• 1:46:42
  it, but I'm like, I'm a busy guy.
• 1:46:45
  I don't have the time to like, To to waste doing, you know an
• 1:46:50
  hour of what I later Learned was, it was like, they were
• 1:46:54
  trying to Sauce me out and understand, like, can we work
• 1:46:57
  with this? Got all, like I said, to one
• 1:46:59
  person that I was dealing with because it was a two-man thing.
• 1:47:01
  Like, hey, this is a bit over the top.
• 1:47:05
  Don't you think like, you know, I know how to do podcast.
• 1:47:08
  I've been on many podcast. I've done my own podcasts.
• 1:47:13
  I know how this works. Like, you know what I mean?
• 1:47:15
  Like what, what is there to explain jewelry?
• 1:47:18
  You can send me the information if it's now I can read for it.
• 1:47:21
  If it's that important, you know what I mean?
• 1:47:23
  And it just turned out that this person that was talking to me
• 1:47:26
  was like, yeah, many people have said this to us and fortunately,
• 1:47:29
  it's my partner that's like this.
• 1:47:30
  And I was like, okay, that's fine.
• 1:47:33
  But you know, like what do you need?
• 1:47:39
  What do you need to talk to me about for an hour?
• 1:47:41
  You know what I mean? And then in the end and this is
• 1:47:43
  where the really unprofessional part came.
• 1:47:45
  I sort of said, like, okay, well, Let's do it like I'm
• 1:47:50
  available. Like I made myself available for
• 1:47:51
  this talk as well. And the thing is with everything
• 1:47:55
  that I do, I always write everything down in my calendar,
• 1:47:58
  I do research for it. So for example, when we were
• 1:48:00
  going to do our podcast ahead of time, I made.
• 1:48:04
  Sure I did all my research, I put it down.
• 1:48:05
  I put it phone, reminder, it's all there and I make sure like
• 1:48:09
  it be 5 10 minutes before to check on the person.
• 1:48:12
  Are you available? Is it all going?
• 1:48:14
  Well, blah blah, blah blah, right?
• 1:48:16
  So with this person, Same thing, I was sitting there ready to do
• 1:48:21
  this talk, that wasn't the podcast.
• 1:48:23
  And yeah, just nothing, no messages, nothing.
• 1:48:28
  And, you know, it's not the first time that people have, let
• 1:48:31
  me down, I've had other people who were due to appear on my
• 1:48:34
  podcast, you know, not not reply.
• 1:48:37
  So, I'm sitting there. Okay, what's going on?
• 1:48:41
  And most of the time people get back to me and it's like, oh,
• 1:48:43
  hey, there was an emergency and we reschedule great, no problem,
• 1:48:46
  right? So those people That's
• 1:48:48
  understandable, but to the people that just let me sit
• 1:48:51
  there doing nothing, never got back to me.
• 1:48:55
  I don't know how to take that. That is more what I see as
• 1:48:57
  unprofessional because you have to consider your the other
• 1:49:00
  person. It's not just about for me, it's
• 1:49:02
  like okay that annoys me because it wastes my time but I look at
• 1:49:06
  it like this is how I would treat other people.
• 1:49:08
  I would look at like their time is very important and I need to
• 1:49:12
  take that seriously and I need to make sure that I'm punctual.
• 1:49:15
  So I'm not wasting their time and giving them a full Kind of
• 1:49:20
  not force just showing that I'm a professional General.
• 1:49:23
  I take that very seriously. Maybe I'm a bit old-fashioned
• 1:49:25
  with this but to me, professionalism is more about
• 1:49:30
  How you treat the other person and and how seriously you take
• 1:49:34
  it and you know I mean like the way I look at it is I treat
• 1:49:37
  every single person that appears on this podcast exactly the same
• 1:49:40
  and I put the same level of effort in no matter who is like
• 1:49:43
  if tomorrow fucking Brad, Pitt's going to come on the show, I'm
• 1:49:46
  going to do the same thing that I do with every single guest.
• 1:49:50
  Joe. No mean, it's not gonna be some
• 1:49:51
  special treatment it's going to be I'm going to put the maximum
• 1:49:54
  effort in 100% like I always do and to the same point if it was
• 1:49:59
  like And then it goes back to like, I don't know, twitch
• 1:50:02
  streamer. I'm still going to put the same
• 1:50:04
  effort in and treat them professionally.
• 1:50:07
  You know, I mean like I don't agree in favoritism and this is
• 1:50:10
  another element. I've no, I haven't spoken about
• 1:50:12
  this live, but since we're talking about this
• 1:50:13
  professionalism thing, I just want to add this in there.
• 1:50:17
  You know, I've reached out to people and they know who they
• 1:50:19
  are, who I've known. Since I was a teenager and
• 1:50:26
  they're doing well for themselves.
• 1:50:27
  One is a musician. Both of them are musicians.
• 1:50:30
  Actually, you know, they've got Fame and stuff there, one of
• 1:50:33
  them has become, particularly famous in, and I reached out to
• 1:50:36
  them, both of them ignored me. One of them, in particular, read
• 1:50:41
  the messages, and still decided to ignore me.
• 1:50:45
  And to bring the again, to the point like, what?
• 1:50:50
  What really matters in this. When you're dealing with
• 1:50:54
  professionalism, like, it's fine.
• 1:50:55
  If you say to me, for example, like, hey, just not interested.
• 1:50:59
  Hey, I don't have the time. Hey, I'm not sure my management
• 1:51:04
  would allow me to do it something like that, that can
• 1:51:07
  understand. That's professional.
• 1:51:09
  That's respectful. Showing respect, I suppose.
• 1:51:11
  That's what I'm trying to say is you should show respect to the
• 1:51:14
  people, you're dealing with no matter who they are.
• 1:51:16
  So like you know you mentioned, you got friends in the film
• 1:51:19
  industry and stuff like that and you're working in that industry.
• 1:51:22
  There's a lot of people behind the scenes The aunt performers
• 1:51:25
  that get treated like shit. And I've seen that with my own
• 1:51:27
  eyes working on sets and it's like, hey, come on, you're going
• 1:51:31
  to treat everyone with respect. You know, I mean, like and feels
• 1:51:36
  weird to having to tell people to do that and it's very
• 1:51:38
  uncomfortable when you see someone who's doing well for
• 1:51:40
  himself, treating other people like crap, it's like they always
• 1:51:44
  feel like they can do that because they've become
• 1:51:47
  successful and I feel like sooner or later life is going to
• 1:51:51
  bring you back to square one and make You realize going to start
• 1:51:54
  treating people with respect to see.
• 1:51:58
  It's interesting because I've sort of long said that I
• 1:52:00
  actually don't believe in karma and I did.
• 1:52:03
  Okay? Just as the perspective of I
• 1:52:09
  don't necessarily believe that putting good in the world,
• 1:52:12
  brings good back to you. And I don't necessarily believe
• 1:52:14
  that putting bad in the world, brings bad back to you.
• 1:52:17
  Because at the end of the day doing good, should be motivated
• 1:52:20
  by its own sake. And if you do bad, I certainly
• 1:52:25
  wish that it was the case. That like no bad deed goes
• 1:52:27
  unpunished, but I've been in situations where I've had to
• 1:52:31
  like live with people sort of getting away with terrible
• 1:52:36
  things. I'm referencing I did volunteer
• 1:52:41
  work for a convention a long time ago that I owe you.
• 1:52:46
  It was very small-time Affair away.
• 1:52:47
  It's no longer exists partly due to the events of the story but
• 1:52:53
  basically I threw myself into volunteering I discovered that I
• 1:52:57
  really love going out to places. Networking sort of handing out,
• 1:53:02
  the Flyers coordinating between departments are in marketing and
• 1:53:08
  budget. And our friend who was in charge
• 1:53:10
  of the budget, saw some posts on somebody.
• 1:53:13
  Snapchat that they were spending the convention, money on some
• 1:53:16
  stuff and he said, hey, you guys made me in charge of budget,
• 1:53:18
  please send me some receipts and they were like you've gone mad
• 1:53:21
  with power. That was the next message they
• 1:53:23
  sent him. So it was me 17 years old, my
• 1:53:26
  then girlfriend and the friend who was in charge Charge of
• 1:53:30
  budget, and we all got banned from volunteering at this public
• 1:53:34
  space and we lost it. We basically started the
• 1:53:39
  investigation that led to the person who was in charge of this
• 1:53:42
  whole thing, being discretely fired and then shuffled around
• 1:53:46
  to Seattle as it were. And when you discovered that,
• 1:53:50
  he'd been sent to Seattle and was basically trying to set up
• 1:53:55
  the same sort of situation for himself, where he would be in
• 1:53:57
  charge of a large group of teenagers.
• 1:54:00
  We were like, hey, we passed along the police report and were
• 1:54:03
  like, this person has previously allowed underage drinking to
• 1:54:05
  happen at their premises. Oh, wow.
• 1:54:08
  Yeah, y'all need to be aware. It was just this terrible
• 1:54:13
  example of like, yeah, you can try to do everything right.
• 1:54:17
  But if the people in power, are opposed to that and focused on
• 1:54:22
  creating the most benefit for themselves, similar to, if I
• 1:54:26
  knew somebody who had become famous and no longer cared for
• 1:54:29
  me as a human, And being I would be very upset but I've been in
• 1:54:32
  the situation where if they have power and you don't there is
• 1:54:37
  little that you can do to oppose it.
• 1:54:39
  I agree with you but at the same time I think that Karma doesn't
• 1:54:43
  work in such a direct manner. I think like you know for
• 1:54:47
  example someone to fucked you over at school, I don't think
• 1:54:51
  they're going to get that their comeuppance like the next week.
• 1:54:54
  I think it works like more long-term, you know?
• 1:54:58
  I mean like it will it will happen.
• 1:55:00
  The patterns of behavior that lead them to disregard the
• 1:55:03
  feelings of others will eventually bring about their own
• 1:55:06
  ruin. Yeah, and I funny thing like I
• 1:55:07
  payee like I, you know, I used to get bullied, a lot of school,
• 1:55:09
  for example, and I look at the people that believe me, like,
• 1:55:12
  where they're at in their life and stuff.
• 1:55:14
  And I feel like that is some Karma and of itself.
• 1:55:20
  But also, you know how they're living their life.
• 1:55:24
  Are they happy? Are they not like that's a
• 1:55:26
  factor too, but I do kind of like, pity them.
• 1:55:30
  I hope that they do find. A point where they can change,
• 1:55:34
  do you know what I mean? Because I wasn't perfect growing
• 1:55:37
  up II. You know I was this conflicted,
• 1:55:39
  teenager self-esteem, issues, all that stuff.
• 1:55:41
  So I reacted sometimes negatively and would be nasty to
• 1:55:45
  other people more as a kind of defense mechanism than anything
• 1:55:48
  else but I was never like bullying or anything like that.
• 1:55:51
  But you know, I was unhappy and I look at some of those things I
• 1:55:55
  said and did and I was like, you know what, I don't like that
• 1:55:58
  person. You know that that person
• 1:55:59
  deserves a slap in the face, you know, just a reality check and
• 1:56:03
  Came and it happened and it was a very welcome one and I've been
• 1:56:10
  very, very happy ever since then.
• 1:56:11
  And I feel like, you know, that happens for everyone.
• 1:56:14
  However, it's whether or not the person takes the reality check
• 1:56:19
  and goes, huh, okay. This is a time to change to
• 1:56:23
  evolve to become something to be the best that I can be versus.
• 1:56:28
  Fuck it. I'll just keep being a piece of
• 1:56:31
  shit and it's everyone else was wrong.
• 1:56:33
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was my full that was there
• 1:56:36
  for. You can have your come-to-jesus
• 1:56:39
  moment but you can't make it drink.
• 1:56:44
  As we draw things to a close for today.
• 1:56:46
  Do you have any upcoming projects that you'd like our
• 1:56:49
  listeners to know about or your own fans or maybe some final
• 1:56:53
  thoughts that you'd like to share with us?
• 1:56:57
  Just believing a space here for you to edit this out.
• 1:56:59
  If you want, when do you when is this going to be releasing?
• 1:57:02
  Do you know where you working with a backlog?
• 1:57:03
  Currently, probably this week this week?
• 1:57:08
  Yeah, this is coming out this week.
• 1:57:10
  Alright, that's perfect. I am currently promoting a show
• 1:57:16
  that my improv, team daytime delusions is going to be having
• 1:57:19
  on January 2nd. We are going to be live in
• 1:57:22
  person, on Carrollwood players, theaters main stage at 8:00.
• 1:57:26
  There is also a streaming option available.
• 1:57:29
  So viewers abroad and people who are concerned about seating
• 1:57:33
  inside of a theater, will be able to see the show actually
• 1:57:37
  for cheaper, it's $8 for streaming tickets so you are
• 1:57:39
  encouraged to stream and Other than that, you can follow me on
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  Facebook as Jaron dueling jro and DOL ing.
• 1:57:51
  I'm on Instagram as Jaron underscored the, oh, and my
• 1:57:56
  improv team with my friends that I love very much daytime
• 1:57:58
  delusions on Facebook and Instagram.
• 1:58:01
  Fantastic. Well, thank you so much for
• 1:58:04
  being on the show. It's been a real pleasure
• 1:58:06
  chatting with. You had a lot of fun here and I
• 1:58:09
  would encourage all of my listeners to please go check
• 1:58:12
  them out. Go Go support him and his group
• 1:58:15
  daytime delusions. Clearly, very talented group.
• 1:58:19
  And yeah, I think you got good things coming ahead of you and,
• 1:58:23
  you know, I wish you all the best.
• 1:58:25
  Likewise thank you for having me.
• 1:58:27
  No worries. No worries.
• 1:58:28
  Thanks folks, for being a part of it, and yeah, to everyone
• 1:58:31
  watching or listening to that. Should we try that again?
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  It's who everyone listening and watching the Christian Reef
• 1:58:38
  podcast. Thank you so much for your
• 1:58:40
  support. I really appreciate it.
• 1:58:43
  Please be vocal, please. Let me know who you would like
• 1:58:46
  to see on the show. Next what you would like to hear
• 1:58:49
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• 1:58:53
  because otherwise I don't know what you think and I want to
• 1:58:56
  know what you think because it's important to me.
• 1:58:59
  Thank you for listening and until next time.
• 1:59:02
  Peace out. One love.
• 1:59:03
  I'll see you in the next one. Ciao.