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Sharri | 8 July · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Long shower good evening while Alice Springs will again be
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Speaker 1: subject to a curfew after an outbreak of shocking violence
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Speaker 1: on the weekend.
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Speaker 2: First a police officer was.
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Speaker 1: Run over outside a bottle shop, and then last night,
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Speaker 1: four off duty coppers, including three women, were allegedly set
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Speaker 1: upon and robbed by a group of twenty young men
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Speaker 1: in the morning. The officers were crossing the Todd River
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Speaker 1: to go back to their hotel in the early hours
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Speaker 1: of the morning when the men allegedly approached them from
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Speaker 1: behind and assaulted them, including punching one of the women
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Speaker 1: officers in the face and kicking her multiple times. Northern
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Speaker 1: Territory Police Commissioner Michael Murphy invoked recently introduced rules for
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Speaker 1: a snap seventy two hour curfew between ten pm and
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Speaker 1: six am. The only people allowed to move within the
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Speaker 1: restricted zone will be those fleeing domestic violence, visiting family,
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Speaker 1: caring for someone, visiting a fast food restaurant of all places,
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Speaker 1: or go to work. The commissioner says if things don't
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Speaker 1: calm down, he'll extend the.
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Speaker 3: Curfew if there's a continuation of harmful conduct, which I
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Speaker 3: hope there is not. If we apply some measures now
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Speaker 3: to in addict and use the community to help us.
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Speaker 3: We should say a turnaround. But if that continues and
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Speaker 3: there's some behaviors that still concern me, we can apply
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Speaker 3: for a I can apply for a seventy two hour
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Speaker 3: a different area, or go to the minister for another
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Speaker 3: seven days.
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Speaker 1: And the Alice might be back in the headlines today
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Speaker 1: for all the wrong reasons. But the reality is that
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Speaker 1: this has been bubbling away for ages for years and
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Speaker 1: not much has been.
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Speaker 2: Done about it.
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Speaker 1: When violence and danger in Alice Springs reached ahead last year,
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Speaker 1: Sky News, i have to say, was one of the
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Speaker 1: only media outlets to give it the coverage and exposure
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Speaker 1: it deserved. And these stories have been playing out every
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Speaker 1: day since then, but we don't hear a great deal
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Speaker 1: about them until something really goes wrong, like these cops
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Speaker 1: allegedly being bashed. Now, for a government that was so
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Speaker 1: publicly concerned about indigenous affairs that it proposed the Voice
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Speaker 1: to Parliament, the Albanese regime has remained strangely quiet about
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Speaker 1: all of this. Now, don't forget that last year the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister flew into Alice Springs for all of four
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Speaker 1: hours as crime was worsening and then took off to
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Speaker 1: Melbourne to sink beers and eat ice cream at the
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Speaker 1: Australian Open Albaneze did visit Alice Springs a few months ago,
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Speaker 1: and he did meet with local activist Darren Clark, who
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Speaker 1: was on with Andrew Bolt before and who has been
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Speaker 1: vocal about the lack of inaction by authorities to stop
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Speaker 1: the crime and dysfunction. But what's changed natural, I mean,
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Speaker 1: given the PM is so worried about Indigenous issues, surely
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Speaker 1: he should have taken one look at Alice Springs and
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Speaker 1: flown out of there determined to clean the joint up,
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Speaker 1: come hell or high water for the safety of not
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Speaker 1: only all residents, but particularly Indigenous children who find themselves
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Speaker 1: in the grips of youth crime due to neglect and
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Speaker 1: dysfunctional family love. As sorry, Senator justinto Nampagin for price
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Speaker 1: correctly noted today.
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Speaker 2: A curfew is one thing, but you.
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Speaker 1: Have to actually do something about the causes of this violence.
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Speaker 4: Well, I'm sure the town will welcome another curfew. There
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Speaker 4: are underlying issues taking place that we all know about
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Speaker 4: the lives of these children need to be looked at
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Speaker 4: much closer. And I've said this for years that Indigenous
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Speaker 4: children in my certainly around in my community and throughout
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Speaker 4: the Northern Territory, experience the highest rates of domestic and
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Speaker 4: family violence, child sexual abuse. And it's no wonder that
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Speaker 4: we have circumstances. These children come from utter dysfunction where
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Speaker 4: we're seeing again another rise in violent crime in the community.
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Speaker 1: It's all good and well to keep slapping a band
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Speaker 1: aid on the wound, and that's essentially what this curfew is.
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Speaker 1: But you change nothing without taking serious action, and the
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Speaker 1: Albanzi government has been lacking when it comes to serious action.
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Speaker 1: The Independent Yeparinia School in Alice Springs wanted to build
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Speaker 1: a satellite campus at Burt Creek, which is sixty kilometers
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Speaker 1: north of Alice, so kids in remote communities could go
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Speaker 1: to school without having to travel into town. It was
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Speaker 1: hoping for about a million dollars from a forty million
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Speaker 1: dollar fund the federal government had put up for these
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Speaker 1: sorts of projects. Instead had got three hundred and twenty
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Speaker 1: nine thousand. Meanwhile, Albanzi spent four hundred and fifty million
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Speaker 1: dollars on a voice to Parliament referendum that failed and
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Speaker 1: did nothing for Indigenous people.
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Speaker 2: I mean, imagine what could have been.
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Speaker 1: Done to improve the lives of kids in Alice Springs
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Speaker 1: and elsewhere with that money, but instead it was blown
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Speaker 1: on a political vanity project.
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Speaker 2: Indigenous affairs policy has gone on like this for decades.
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Speaker 1: It's why we talk about Australia Day and treaties and
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Speaker 1: all this stuff instead of employment and domestic violence rates
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Speaker 1: in Aboriginal communities. The former is easy and touchy, fairly,
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Speaker 1: and it makes you feel nice we're doing the right thing.
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Speaker 1: The latter, of course, is uncomfortable, and it raises hard
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Speaker 1: questions and potentially hard truths at Acknowledging any of that
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Speaker 1: means actually doing some work, which is of course the
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Speaker 1: hard bit. But that's the stuff that really affects people's lives.
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Speaker 1: A curfew might quell violence for a few nights, but
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Speaker 1: it won't stop it. Soon enough, it'll be back to
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Speaker 1: the way it was, and the people of Alice Springs,
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Speaker 1: especially poor Indigenous kids, will be stuck on the same
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Speaker 1: hamster wheel as they have been for years.
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Speaker 2: But will anyone care. Probably not now.
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Speaker 1: Anyone who knows anything about off roading or who's spent
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Speaker 1: any time in the bush will know the popularity of
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Speaker 1: the seventy series Land cruiser. It took pretty much the
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Speaker 1: same since the nineteen eighth these apart from a few facelifts,
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Speaker 1: and it's certainly not the fastest car in the world,
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Speaker 1: but it is practical and reliable. It's been a somewhat
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Speaker 1: ubiquitous part of country Australian life for decades.
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Speaker 5: I love a sunburnt country, a lamb of sweeping planes,
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Speaker 5: of dragon mountain regions, drugs and flooding raiders.
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Speaker 2: I love her father raisins. I love her jewel seed,
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Speaker 2: her beauty.
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Speaker 6: And her terror.
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Speaker 1: Wired brown land.
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Speaker 5: For me, lamb cruisers.
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Speaker 2: How good is laws?
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Speaker 1: He is voiced by the way, but farmers love them
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Speaker 1: and the troop carrier model has been something of a
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Speaker 1: cult following in the camping and off road community. There's
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Speaker 1: a Sevity Series owners group on Facebook with one hundred
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Speaker 1: and nine thousand members. But Toyota announced today that it
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Speaker 1: was killing its V eight turbo diesel engine, which makes
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Speaker 1: up the vast majority of sales. Because, of course, someone
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Speaker 1: wanting that sort of car is looking for something with
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Speaker 1: grunt and power. They're not after speed or efficiency, They're
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Speaker 1: after a car that.
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Speaker 2: Can do hard tasks.
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Speaker 1: Toyota's decided to go soft in the name of the environment.
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Speaker 1: You know, there was a time when Toyota bragged about
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Speaker 1: being tough.
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Speaker 2: Is right, Toyota tough no more.
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Speaker 1: Some ninety percent of the seventy series sales are V eights,
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Speaker 1: according to Toyota itself. Toyota's Australian sales boss Sean Hanley said,
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Speaker 1: quote clearly there is still a preference for V eights.
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Speaker 1: We can't hid from that. That's the reality. So why
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Speaker 1: are they dumping such a wildly popular product. Well, quote
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Speaker 1: unquote community expectations apparently, mister Hanley said, environment is on
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Speaker 1: people's minds. We believe the community expects that we will
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Speaker 1: reduce our CO two footprint. He said, there's currently a
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Speaker 1: two year waiting list for these vates. Some of those
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Speaker 1: orders may now not be met thanks to the decision
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Speaker 1: to discontinue the engine. Shouldn't really be up to the manufacturer,
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Speaker 1: or the government or anyone else to decide if or
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Speaker 1: how our carbon dioxide.
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Speaker 2: Footprint is reduced.
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Speaker 1: The fact that ninety percent of sales of this vehicle
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Speaker 1: were vates, I think kind approves that customers want vates.
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Speaker 1: What Toyota is saying is that green activists are demanding
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Speaker 1: that we reduce the overall emissions of our fleet, and
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Speaker 1: the easiest way to do that is to get rid
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Speaker 1: of what is an inefficient engine from a fuel perspective,
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Speaker 1: even though that engine is strong and built for a
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Speaker 1: particular purpose for which it is renowned. Now they claim
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Speaker 1: that this decision was made years ago and has nothing
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Speaker 1: to do with the Albanezi government's new vehicle emission standards
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Speaker 1: which will be introduced next year, and they essentially mean
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Speaker 1: that car manufacturers will be fined if the emissions caused
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Speaker 1: by their overall fleet go above a certain limit, which
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Speaker 1: means you can still sell fuel guzzling cars, but that
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Speaker 1: then has to be offset by cars with much lower emissions,
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Speaker 1: like electric cars, to bring the average down. And Toyota
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Speaker 1: has made it very clear that it doesn't think fully
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Speaker 1: electric cars are the way forward and they'll only ever
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Speaker 1: make up about thirty percent of the market.
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Speaker 2: So if they're not willing.
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Speaker 1: To go down the electric road, then they need to
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Speaker 1: do something, and the V eight would seem to be
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Speaker 1: the most obvious victim. Now, this is just a sign
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Speaker 1: of things to come. When those emission standards come in,
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Speaker 1: car manufacturers will have to make plenty more decisions like
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Speaker 1: this unless they want to pay extra, and of course
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Speaker 1: that cost would have to be passed on to you.
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Speaker 1: Some scoffed when emission standards were described as the end
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Speaker 1: of the ute and the end of the off roader,
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Speaker 1: but it seems pretty clear that that's the way we're going,
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Speaker 1: regardless of how popular these cars might be. They can't
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Speaker 1: get you to change your behavior, so they're going to
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Speaker 1: force you to change your behavior.
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Speaker 2: Also coming up on the show.
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Speaker 1: To Night calls for cashless welfare to be brought back,
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Speaker 1: as a new report shows an increase in spending on
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Speaker 1: gambling and grog after the Albanesi government can a debit
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Speaker 1: card trial. Plus Paris turned into a battleground as the
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Speaker 1: far left celebrates its election win by attacking police, and
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Speaker 1: Woolworths has decided it's suddenly okay to sell Australian flags
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Speaker 1: for an upcoming event. Will tell you about that story shortly. Well.
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Speaker 1: It was a bit more bad news for the Albanesi
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Speaker 1: government today, with the latest newspole figures showing that the
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Speaker 1: coalition is ahead of Labor for the first time in
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Speaker 1: the key battleground state of New South Wales, is increasing
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Speaker 1: the lead they hold in Queensland, and it comes as
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Speaker 1: Labor lost a significant amount of younger voters. The primary
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Speaker 1: vote of the eighteen to thirty four year old demographic
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Speaker 1: fell to thirty percent. Let's bring in tonight's panel. Joining
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Speaker 1: me as always on a Monday Night with Sharry is
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Speaker 1: my late debate co host Liz Storer and Skyne New's
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Speaker 1: contributor Joe hildeband who will also be me on the lake.
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Speaker 2: That's right, we are like that.
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Speaker 1: We are slowly do you just need to grow the
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Speaker 1: bed out a little more.
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Speaker 2: And we'll be there now.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting The Australians published a story tonight saying that
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Speaker 1: young labor is sort of revolting against the party because
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Speaker 1: of the decision they made in terms of Fatima payment.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting to see the reduction in the youth support
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Speaker 1: for Labor. Are they going off to the Greens?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's always been a threat, and that's always I mean,
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Speaker 7: young people are always I mean it's a cliche, isn't it.
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Speaker 7: If you're not a socialist when you're eighteen, you have
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Speaker 7: no heart. If you're still a socialist when you're fifty, you.
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Speaker 6: Have no head.
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Speaker 2: And I'm heartless.
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Speaker 7: That's been a true to everyone from Winston Churchill down.
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Speaker 7: So I don't think that's necessarily a problem that Labor
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Speaker 7: is losing youth votes, because they're always going to go
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Speaker 7: a more radical way, especially if they're on the left already,
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Speaker 7: They're usually going to gravitate towards the most radically left
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Speaker 7: and then hopefully come back after they grow a brain.
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Speaker 6: What I'm much more.
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Speaker 7: Concerned about is Labor losing votes in the middle. In
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Speaker 7: the middle demographic, my middle aged, middle class people, basically
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Speaker 7: the heart and soul of mainstream Australia, and that's a
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Speaker 7: big problem. The interesting thing about this post, so what
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Speaker 7: the Odds and newspole do every few months is they
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Speaker 7: aggregate all the news polls over the past three months,
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Speaker 7: get a bigger number so that it's actually statistically representative,
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Speaker 7: and then they can break it down on state by
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Speaker 7: state basis. You can't do that, basically, the sample size
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Speaker 7: isn't big enough for a normal news poll cycle to
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Speaker 7: give state by state breakdowns. So this is basically where
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Speaker 7: Labor has been sitting over the last three months. The
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Speaker 7: bad news is that it may have gotten worse since
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Speaker 7: then because of Adam a pavement stuff, because of the
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Speaker 7: high that expected inflation targets, So it'll be very interesting.
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Speaker 6: Again. This is why I think labor.
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Speaker 7: Would be probably a bit crazy brave to go to
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Speaker 7: an election before the Queensland state election and voters have
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Speaker 7: had their chance to whack Stephen Miles, because again they've
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Speaker 7: seen safe labor seats for already in by elections. They'll
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Speaker 7: see more safe Labour seats at the state election. Do
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Speaker 7: you really want to be sticking up your head above
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Speaker 7: the parapet.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you have to say at this point is
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Speaker 1: that the chances of this government being returned with a
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Speaker 1: majority are cooked.
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Speaker 2: It ain't going to happen.
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Speaker 1: So we're now talking about the numbers and if we
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Speaker 1: get that interest rate rise, as I suspect we will
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Speaker 1: next month, or if not next month, the month after
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Speaker 1: that in September.
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Speaker 2: Looking at these.
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Speaker 1: Numbers that are starting to come through, now you would
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Speaker 1: be genuinely worried if you were Anthony Alberiz.
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Speaker 8: Indeed, and of course Charmer's budget was all happy, happy,
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Speaker 8: the future is so bright. Didn't really factor in that
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Speaker 8: things would be getting a lot worse.
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Speaker 2: We saw that face off.
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Speaker 8: Between him and the RBA at the time, whereas he
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Speaker 8: was counting on inflation not getting worse, the rates not
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Speaker 8: going up, and the RBA was like, ah, check'snotes, where
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Speaker 8: are you getting this idea from charmers. So they were
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Speaker 8: counting on that big time and I would say sold
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Speaker 8: Australians a.
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Speaker 2: Furfey off the back of that.
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Speaker 8: But this polling, I do find it very hard to
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Speaker 8: get excited ten months out to an election because we
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Speaker 8: know that they can change. So until we see a
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Speaker 8: very steady trajectory, trajectory I should stay still continuing.
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Speaker 2: In this direction.
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Speaker 8: There's a lot of counting chickens already happening, and that's
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Speaker 8: what polsters do, right They dive into the minutia of
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Speaker 8: the numbers.
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Speaker 2: And this is what this means.
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Speaker 8: But what it does mean is that we're very likely
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Speaker 8: to see a couple together government with bedfellows that we
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Speaker 8: would rather not see in power. So one wonders, is
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Speaker 8: this really better than a majority labor government sharing power
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Speaker 8: with in order to keep power would make for a
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Speaker 8: much worse correct.
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Speaker 6: Historic calls for majority of labor. I love that moment.
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Speaker 2: Take it to the bank.
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Speaker 1: It's it's going to be the headlight on the sky
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Speaker 1: news dot com, dot a U website, go and check
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Speaker 1: it out now now while we're on Labor. Daniel Andrews,
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Speaker 1: of course is all of our favorite former labor leader,
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Speaker 1: and he's agreed to surrender his mobile phone records from
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Speaker 1: the day of a near fatal collision he and his wife,
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Speaker 1: his wife was driving at the time, had with a
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Speaker 1: young cyclist in twenty thirteen. Ryan Muelman, of course is
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Speaker 1: his name. You've heard the story before. His lawyers have
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Speaker 1: been going after the Andrews family because he was struck
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Speaker 1: when he was fifteen by their suv in blair Gowy
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Speaker 1: on the Mornington Peninsula in Victoria, and they've been trying
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Speaker 1: to work out who mister Andrews may or may not
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Speaker 1: have spoken to when the crash occurred, because there was
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Speaker 1: a delay between the crash him calling Triple zero, and
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Speaker 1: they're worried about he could have been influenced in the
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Speaker 1: aftermath of the crash, but he had engaged Andrews. That
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Speaker 1: is top silk, Sorry, Philip Crutchfield KSE. They were going
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Speaker 1: into court this morning. He charges up to twenty five
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars a day and he was going along to
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Speaker 1: help fight this request for phone records in court this
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Speaker 1: morning and at about five past eight, Joe, they decided
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Speaker 1: we're not going to challenge it anymore, which a strange
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Speaker 1: turn of events.
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Speaker 7: It is a very strange turn of events. I obviously
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Speaker 7: am not particularly close to.
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Speaker 6: Dan Andrews really.
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Speaker 7: Certainly the people in labor that I like and support
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Speaker 7: are no friends of Dan either, and he's certainly no
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Speaker 7: friend of theirs. The only conclusion I can reach is
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Speaker 7: that he figured that. I mean, everything Dan Andrews does,
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Speaker 7: he's very intelligent, he's very strategically minded, calculating whatever you
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Speaker 7: want to call it, and he would have made the
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Speaker 7: calculation of what would be in his best interest, and
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Speaker 7: he's no doubt calculated that keeping the phone records suppressed
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Speaker 7: would have been a worse look than allowing them to
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Speaker 7: come out, even if they end up damaging him, because
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Speaker 7: he no longer has anything to lose. So obviously this
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Speaker 7: is something that happened eleven years ago now, and there's
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Speaker 7: been all sorts of kind of nine years weird stuff,
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Speaker 7: weird stuff about it, And so the question is whether
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Speaker 7: or not so he would have said, right, well, it
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Speaker 7: was worth the suppression or worth.
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Speaker 6: Fighting it or whatever.
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Speaker 7: It was just swearing that black is white as wont
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Speaker 7: to do while he was still premier and there was
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Speaker 7: political skin to be lost.
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Speaker 6: Now there's no longer premiere, then.
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Speaker 7: He's obviously made the decision that what, you know, how
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Speaker 7: could it really hurt him unless there's some sort of
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Speaker 7: you know, I think the reasoning is a.
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Speaker 8: Bit more black white than that, though, because they were
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Speaker 8: originally after eleven year's worth of texts, they did a
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Speaker 8: one eighty and said, okay, we just want your phone
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Speaker 8: records the day of. I mean, right now, they don't
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Speaker 8: even know if someone was potentially on the phone while
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Speaker 8: driving and hit this young man, so that is when
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Speaker 8: this backflip occurred. So I'm now curious to know what
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Speaker 8: those other phone records would show because obviously the day
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Speaker 8: of he's not so worried. But if they wanted eleven
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Speaker 8: years worth of telephone records pertaining to this young man
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Speaker 8: that day that accident, that was going to put him
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Speaker 8: in serious trouble. So he was never going to give
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Speaker 8: that up. Hired this big silk to fight the subpoena
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Speaker 8: all the way. And then when it was just like okay,
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Speaker 8: the day of, I'll give you that much.
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Speaker 1: And like you got to ask the question, what would
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Speaker 1: he be worried about that was in those phone records, right,
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Speaker 1: I'm not.
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Speaker 6: Any politician.
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Speaker 2: About it would have to be. I mean they're not.
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Speaker 1: They can't do the subpoena and then go oh well,
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Speaker 1: Daniel Andrews was talking to Cina Allen on this particular
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Speaker 1: day about the Commonwealth Games and that was dodgy. It
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Speaker 1: would have to pertain but specifically to this, and so
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Speaker 1: you do just have to wonder why he was so
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Speaker 1: determined to not reveal what was in it.
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Speaker 2: Now the NDAs where we know that there.
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Speaker 1: Were reforms planned and Bill Shorten was on Sky yesterday
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Speaker 1: morning talking about the fact that he wants to remove
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Speaker 1: sex work from the things that would be funded.
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Speaker 6: Using prostitutes. Is that going to be in the rigs
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Speaker 6: as bad?
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Speaker 5: We will rule it out, Yeah, it will all it out.
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Speaker 9: That's it's just not a sustainable proposition.
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Speaker 2: Okay, a report in the news.
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Speaker 6: It doesn't pass the test, doesn't.
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Speaker 1: But advocates in the disability sector have spoken out. They
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Speaker 1: say that a ban would mean the government deciding who
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Speaker 1: could have sex.
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Speaker 2: The ABC quoted.
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Speaker 1: Disability Australia President Matt I should have read that before
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Speaker 1: I came on in marraik Yonkers.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, it makes as much sense as what she said.
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Speaker 1: She said, while it's not for every NDAs participant, it
20:12
Speaker 1: has facilitated those supports for people to live an ordinary life,
20:16
Speaker 1: and sexual expression is part of an ordinary life as
20:19
Speaker 1: a human being.
20:20
Speaker 2: Changing this law would mean you.
20:22
Speaker 1: Are now actually having the government choose whether some people
20:25
Speaker 1: with disability are having sex. Joe, I just thought all
20:29
Speaker 1: that was saying was if you want to see a
20:31
Speaker 1: sex worker, you have to pray for it yourself.
20:33
Speaker 6: Yes, I mean that's certainly what I have to do.
20:35
Speaker 7: So I don't see why.
20:39
Speaker 6: Papers curious.
20:42
Speaker 7: Look, it is certainly true that, you know, for someone
20:45
Speaker 7: who has a disability and with all the issues that
20:48
Speaker 7: can bring. So you know, if you have a physical disability,
20:50
Speaker 7: often you do feel you know, I'm not attractive anymore.
20:53
Speaker 7: This is awful, no one's ever going to want me again.
20:55
Speaker 7: And you know, having having sex with someone can be
20:58
Speaker 7: a way of getting out confidence back, and it can
21:00
Speaker 7: be very therapeutic and supportive.
21:02
Speaker 6: So I dont actually disagree with that.
21:03
Speaker 7: The question is where does that sit on the list
21:07
Speaker 7: of priorities for people with disabilities in a scheme that
21:12
Speaker 7: unless a huge amount of work is done very very
21:15
Speaker 7: quickly and comprehensively, will be so completely unaffordable that basically
21:19
Speaker 7: no one will get anything. And so I think you
21:22
Speaker 7: have to prioritize, you have to focus on the basics.
21:25
Speaker 7: You know, you have to start with you know, and again,
21:27
Speaker 7: my best maid is quadriplegic. You know, start with making
21:31
Speaker 7: sure that he can actually get out.
21:32
Speaker 6: Of bed each day.
21:33
Speaker 7: Yes, And start with making sure he can actually you know,
21:36
Speaker 7: have the ot he needs to be able to use
21:38
Speaker 7: a computer and get a job or whatever.
21:40
Speaker 6: That sad, that's right.
21:43
Speaker 7: And then if there's cash left over, we can talk
21:44
Speaker 7: about these.
21:45
Speaker 6: But there won't be any cash so much.
21:48
Speaker 1: Then that very quickly before we go lists. After ditching
21:51
Speaker 1: Australia Day merchandise in January, Woolies has now decided that
21:55
Speaker 1: they're going to stock Australian flags for the Olympics. And
21:58
Speaker 1: not only have they said they're going to stock Australian
22:00
Speaker 1: flags for the Olympics in Paris.
22:02
Speaker 2: They're going to keep them there all the time. Now,
22:04
Speaker 2: what a backflip, what a turn around.
22:07
Speaker 8: Of course, it's easy to do this now because it's
22:10
Speaker 8: not in celebration of our national day, so they can
22:13
Speaker 8: say no, this is patriotic in terms of we're supporting
22:17
Speaker 8: our guys at the Olympics, nothing controversial about that. But
22:21
Speaker 8: on our day of days, our National Day, the day
22:24
Speaker 8: in which we celebrate the birthday of modern Australia, those
22:28
Speaker 8: flogs fell over period. May they never be forgotten for that?
22:33
Speaker 8: And now they say no, no, we'll keep them stocked
22:35
Speaker 8: next Australia Day and the Australia Day after that. I
22:38
Speaker 8: can't wait to see them actually deliver on that because
22:41
Speaker 8: I don't know about you, but.
22:42
Speaker 6: I have my doubts.
22:43
Speaker 1: National pride is okay sometimes and not others.
22:46
Speaker 2: Listora Joe Hildebrand.
22:47
Speaker 1: You can see them both again at ten pm on
22:51
Speaker 1: the Late Debate don't miss it.
22:52
Speaker 2: Still to come. Australia's military gets a major.
22:54
Speaker 1: Boost for its arsenal, but is it enough? Plus silence
22:57
Speaker 1: from labor on Indigenous issues as a snap down is
23:00
Speaker 1: declared for Alice Springs. Liberal Senator Karen Little joining mist
23:10
Speaker 1: Will communities are calling for a more targeted approach to
23:13
Speaker 1: the people impacted by the removal of the cashless debit card.
23:17
Speaker 2: They believe it.
23:18
Speaker 1: Should be brought back in some way, and this comes
23:20
Speaker 1: after a report into the cessation of the CDC by
23:24
Speaker 1: the Albanezi government in twenty twenty two, and this found
23:27
Speaker 1: that it resulted in a surge of gambling and alcohol
23:30
Speaker 1: related violence across the trial sites, which included Sir Juna
23:34
Speaker 1: in South Australia. Well, joining me now is Liberal Senator
23:37
Speaker 1: for South Australia Karen Little. Karen, it seems pretty clear
23:42
Speaker 1: that the cashless Welfare Card was at least in some
23:45
Speaker 1: way doing the job it was meant to do. Its
23:48
Speaker 1: removal has meant to return to the social ills we
23:52
Speaker 1: saw before. Surely there is no argument to continue with
23:56
Speaker 1: its removal.
23:57
Speaker 10: Well, this evaluation suggested spectacular fail when you take into
24:01
Speaker 10: account when the Greens, the Labor Government and Senator David
24:06
Speaker 10: Pocock voted to end the cash list debit card enthusiastically,
24:10
Speaker 10: they said that it would empower communities, it would make
24:12
Speaker 10: communities better. Well, that hasn't happened. The evidence has been
24:16
Speaker 10: clear for some time from the very people who actually
24:19
Speaker 10: live in those communities that this little experiment by the
24:23
Speaker 10: Albanezy Labor government has not worked, is actually caused untold
24:27
Speaker 10: turmoil in these communities and certainly hasn't improved the lives
24:31
Speaker 10: of anyone there well.
24:33
Speaker 1: Of course, the argument that the government has made is
24:35
Speaker 1: that we should be able to trust people to make
24:38
Speaker 1: their own decisions. It's not right for the government to
24:40
Speaker 1: dictate how they do and don't spend their money. We
24:43
Speaker 1: have to give them a level of responsibility. I mean, look,
24:45
Speaker 1: in general, I certainly agree with the concept of personal responsibility,
24:49
Speaker 1: but what we have to acknowledge is that we the taxpayer,
24:53
Speaker 1: are giving these sums of money to people, and there
24:56
Speaker 1: are often children and vulnerable people involved. It's an abrogation
25:01
Speaker 1: of the government's duty and responsibility to just hand that
25:05
Speaker 1: money over and expect that it's going to be used
25:07
Speaker 1: to feed kids when we know that's not what's happening.
25:11
Speaker 10: Well, when you take into account this is money that
25:14
Speaker 10: is given to these people because they either are on pension,
25:18
Speaker 10: income support, pension or some other form of income support,
25:22
Speaker 10: you've got to take into account.
25:24
Speaker 9: You know, we know from.
25:25
Speaker 10: This evaluation that alcohol misuses up, violence is up, gambling
25:29
Speaker 10: is up, the wellbeing of children is down, and people
25:36
Speaker 10: who are in those communities down. The cost of this
25:40
Speaker 10: has been some two hundred million plus to abolish this card,
25:44
Speaker 10: and that doesn't even take into account the social the
25:47
Speaker 10: health costs of this, the medical costs, the business costs.
25:52
Speaker 10: It's been an extraordinary cost this experiment, in addition to
25:57
Speaker 10: funding people to be on welfare.
26:00
Speaker 1: Well, the pleas of the Mayor of Siduna and others
26:03
Speaker 1: have been that, look, even if you're not going to
26:05
Speaker 1: bring back a full scale version of this card, and
26:09
Speaker 1: of course it was a trial to begin with, then
26:11
Speaker 1: at least bring back something that targets those people who
26:15
Speaker 1: struggle to budget their welfare money properly. I mean, and
26:20
Speaker 1: that's not a big ask. It's a pretty simple ask.
26:23
Speaker 1: Just please do something to help those who are the
26:26
Speaker 1: most vulnerable. How could the government say no to that?
26:30
Speaker 10: Well, that's the whole thing, right, This card was about
26:33
Speaker 10: protecting the most vulnerable. It wasn't about taking people's rights away.
26:37
Speaker 10: The communities in which this card was trialed and actually
26:40
Speaker 10: asked for this card, it was the inner city elites,
26:44
Speaker 10: it was inner city electorates. It was the Greens and
26:48
Speaker 10: the Albanize government and some independents who actually said take
26:51
Speaker 10: it away. You know, I was in the Junia earlier
26:55
Speaker 10: this year and I traveled there just after nearly every
26:58
Speaker 10: single business in that wrote to members of Parliament to say,
27:03
Speaker 10: we can't deal with this anymore. This has gone way
27:06
Speaker 10: too far. Bring the card back. So this government hasn't
27:10
Speaker 10: been listening to people in those towns.
27:12
Speaker 1: And of course many of the people who were part
27:14
Speaker 1: of the trial were Indigenous, and I mean it seems
27:16
Speaker 1: to be that the federal government was all going home
27:19
Speaker 1: about Indigenous issues of course, when it was trying to
27:21
Speaker 1: sell the voice to Parliament. You've got this, then you've
27:24
Speaker 1: got today a snap curfew that's been declared for Alice
27:28
Speaker 1: Springs for the next three nights because you've had what
27:31
Speaker 1: has been described as a horror string of incidents in
27:34
Speaker 1: the back town.
27:35
Speaker 2: I mean, there's the.
27:36
Speaker 1: Alleged assault of four off duty police officers by a
27:40
Speaker 1: group of twenty youths, and it goes on and on,
27:42
Speaker 1: and the Police Commissioner says he won't hesitate to extend
27:45
Speaker 1: the curfew further.
27:46
Speaker 2: But we really have not heard.
27:49
Speaker 1: A peep out of the federal government about Alice Springs,
27:52
Speaker 1: for instance, for the last year or so. You know,
27:55
Speaker 1: the PM went up there and had a quick visit
27:58
Speaker 1: and disappeared and then the issue you sort of fell
28:00
Speaker 1: off the radar. But there's still very much going through
28:03
Speaker 1: this trouble as well.
28:05
Speaker 10: Well, Caleb, you know the Prime Minister did go up there,
28:07
Speaker 10: but he of course flew in on the day when
28:10
Speaker 10: takeaway alcohol was not allowed in Alice Springs, and he
28:14
Speaker 10: went on radio the next morning to say he didn't
28:16
Speaker 10: see very much. Well, you know, he's got a security
28:18
Speaker 10: onto arch and he let everybody know he was coming,
28:21
Speaker 10: and he was there on a Monday night. Well that's
28:23
Speaker 10: when the whole town gets some respite and those fantastic
28:27
Speaker 10: frontline workers get some respite. What is the parallels between
28:32
Speaker 10: the cash the Stepit car and what's happening in Alice
28:35
Speaker 10: Springs is the two events that have happened in Alice
28:37
Speaker 10: Springs in very recent times. Territory Day where everybody can
28:41
Speaker 10: go out and spend money on fireworks, and then the
28:46
Speaker 10: weekend we've had the Alice Springs Show.
28:48
Speaker 2: Well, do you know what this is? Actually some I reckon.
28:51
Speaker 2: I don't have to put money on it.
28:52
Speaker 10: There's some pretty irresponsible decision making going on about where
28:56
Speaker 10: people's priorities are of spending their money. So we really
29:01
Speaker 10: have to look at those services that are getting so
29:04
Speaker 10: much money to deliver support to these people.
29:08
Speaker 2: What are they actually doing?
29:09
Speaker 10: What are they preparing for when they know it's likely
29:12
Speaker 10: that these issues are going to arise. When you've got
29:15
Speaker 10: a great big bunch of people and those people, not
29:19
Speaker 10: all of them, decide to spend their money and cause mayhem.
29:24
Speaker 2: Karen, it'll thank you for your time, Thank you well.
29:28
Speaker 1: Australia's defense force is set to be equipped with new
29:31
Speaker 1: deadly drones, in a major boost for its arsenal about time.
29:35
Speaker 1: The federal government has announced these small switchblade three hundred
29:39
Speaker 1: drones which are designed in the United States and it's
29:42
Speaker 1: made to crash into enemies and explode on impact. Joining
29:46
Speaker 1: me now is Strategic Analysis Australia's head of Research, Marcus Hellier.
29:51
Speaker 1: Marcus explain what exactly these things are and how significant
29:55
Speaker 1: this is to our weaponry.
29:58
Speaker 9: H Good evening Taylor. Well, it's a useful capability. It's
30:02
Speaker 9: something that infantry soldiers can carry with them. It's portable,
30:06
Speaker 9: it's something they can set up quickly and it will
30:09
Speaker 9: allow them to target soft targets out to arrange about
30:13
Speaker 9: twenty kilometers, so if they are being attacked by a
30:17
Speaker 9: sniper or being attacked by an enemy team armed with mortars,
30:22
Speaker 9: they could respond to that. It's not a long range
30:25
Speaker 9: drone of the kind you're showing at the moment. It's
30:28
Speaker 9: man portable, it's small, and what I would say is
30:32
Speaker 9: it's the kind of thing that we should be taking
30:34
Speaker 9: for granted now as part of the basic equipment of soldiers.
30:39
Speaker 9: So just like they have rifles and they have bullets,
30:42
Speaker 9: they should have these kinds of drones. But the really
30:45
Speaker 9: amazing thing is it's taken us literally decades for the
30:49
Speaker 9: Australian Defense Department to acquire things like this. And you know,
30:53
Speaker 9: I think the big question is is why are we
30:55
Speaker 9: still so far behind the curve in the Australian Defense
30:59
Speaker 9: departments have taken us over a decade to catch up.
31:03
Speaker 1: Well, that is precisely the question. And I mean we
31:05
Speaker 1: talk about drone capability. In the images that we were showing,
31:08
Speaker 1: there certainly some large, more long range, sophisticated drones. I mean,
31:13
Speaker 1: you know, other countries have been getting onto this technology
31:16
Speaker 1: and as you note, we've been really behind the eight
31:19
Speaker 1: ball for some time. So it's great that we're getting
31:22
Speaker 1: these things involved, but I'm not sure that it really
31:25
Speaker 1: puts us that much further forward.
31:28
Speaker 9: No, it doesn't put us further forward. It's really just
31:32
Speaker 9: catching up with what's the industry's standard. I mean, Switchblade
31:36
Speaker 9: was originally developed by the Americans for the war in
31:38
Speaker 9: Afghanistan and they put it into service in twenty twelve,
31:41
Speaker 9: so that's twelve years ago. Terrorist groups such as ISIS
31:46
Speaker 9: and Al Kaeda have been making and using homemade equivalents
31:51
Speaker 9: to this for over a decade. In Ukraine, we see
31:56
Speaker 9: the Ukrainian using thousands of drones literally every day, and this,
32:01
Speaker 9: as far as I can tell, is the first lethal
32:04
Speaker 9: drone that the Australian Defense sports has actually acquired. And
32:08
Speaker 9: so I'm just perplexed that's taken us this long, particularly
32:13
Speaker 9: when there are Australian companies SMEs here in Australia that
32:18
Speaker 9: can produce this technology and in fact have already been
32:21
Speaker 9: exporting this technology to other countries.
32:24
Speaker 1: I ask this question of everyone I talk to about defense,
32:28
Speaker 1: so you're not going to be an exception. Why do
32:30
Speaker 1: you think it has taken us so long to do
32:33
Speaker 1: something like this? I mean, I mean, our defense procurement
32:37
Speaker 1: over the past decade at the very least, and that
32:41
Speaker 1: covers both the Albanezi government and then the various iterations
32:44
Speaker 1: of the Coalition government have been absolutely abysmal. We are
32:48
Speaker 1: so far behind the eight ball. Why did no one
32:52
Speaker 1: wake up and do anything.
32:55
Speaker 9: Well, it's not a question of money. I mean, the
32:57
Speaker 9: Australian taxpayer is giving the Australian Defense Department fifty five
33:02
Speaker 9: billion dollars a year, so there is a lot of
33:05
Speaker 9: money there and I think we should be expecting better.
33:08
Speaker 9: There's a number of reasons. I think one is there's
33:11
Speaker 9: a deep distrust in the Australian Defense Department about Australian industry.
33:16
Speaker 9: I used to work in the Defense Department and I
33:19
Speaker 9: experienced it. So there is this view that if you
33:22
Speaker 9: want something good, you have to go to the Americans,
33:25
Speaker 9: and you have to go to the big prime companies
33:27
Speaker 9: like Boeing and Lockheed Martin. But really that's a nonsense.
33:31
Speaker 9: I mean, the thing is, we can go and buy
33:33
Speaker 9: this system off the shelf from an American company, and
33:36
Speaker 9: we can stockpile hundreds or a few thousand of these things.
33:40
Speaker 9: But I'll tell you, on day two of the war,
33:43
Speaker 9: we've probably run out of them, and you're not going
33:46
Speaker 9: to be able to get them in a hurry on
33:47
Speaker 9: the global market when a big war starts. So if
33:51
Speaker 9: we want to be ready for the next war. We
33:53
Speaker 9: need robust Australian companies, Australian industry that can produce these
33:58
Speaker 9: things and also up grade them, because on day two
34:01
Speaker 9: of the war, the enemy will have worked out how
34:04
Speaker 9: to counter them, and we need to work out the
34:06
Speaker 9: next version that can overcome the adversari's countermeasures.
34:10
Speaker 2: I mean, this is.
34:10
Speaker 9: The what we're seeing every day in Ukraine, this rapid
34:14
Speaker 9: lightning evolution. And if we're just buying a product from
34:18
Speaker 9: off the shelf from overseas, we're not going to have
34:21
Speaker 9: the capability to adapt rapidly.
34:23
Speaker 2: Yeah.
34:23
Speaker 1: Look for a country that sits so close to China,
34:26
Speaker 1: it's quite frankly pathetic. I can't believe we're in this position.
34:28
Speaker 1: Marcus Hellier, thank you so much for your time. Well
34:31
Speaker 1: after the break concerns of a political uprising, as senior
34:34
Speaker 1: labor figures can see that key seats could be lost
34:37
Speaker 1: to Muslim independence and later chaos on the streets of
34:40
Speaker 1: Paris as the far left cellar breaks quote unquote their
34:44
Speaker 1: election don't go away well off, talks of a new
34:53
Speaker 1: political movement ramp up. Two senior labor figures have conceded
34:57
Speaker 1: that two key seats could be lost to Muslim in dependents.
35:00
Speaker 1: According to an exclusive report by the Daily Telegraph, now
35:04
Speaker 1: there are concerns that this could replicate the latest British election,
35:07
Speaker 1: in which Labour's victory was dampened somewhat even though they
35:10
Speaker 1: won so many seats because its core Muslim voter base
35:14
Speaker 1: chose to back pro Palestinian candidates instead. Joining me now
35:18
Speaker 1: is former chief of staff to Bill Shorten and GXO
35:21
Speaker 1: Strategies director Cameron Milner and former Labor MP Michael Danby. Michael,
35:27
Speaker 1: what do you make of the threat, particularly to Western Sydney,
35:30
Speaker 1: of Muslim voters getting together and backing in a Muslim
35:34
Speaker 1: candidate against people like Tony Burke for instance.
35:38
Speaker 11: I'm sure they will. But if Labor maintains its nerves,
35:45
Speaker 11: if Dutton maintains his nerves, these French parties can be
35:49
Speaker 11: stared down. Starmer only won four hundred plus votes after
35:54
Speaker 11: two years of blood and guts struggle against the Prohamas
35:59
Speaker 11: Corby Night left in his own party, and the average
36:01
Speaker 11: brit then thought they were fit for office. So let's
36:06
Speaker 11: not think about the swings. But before thinking about the
36:08
Speaker 11: roundabout the average Joss. He has got to think that
36:12
Speaker 11: the political party is electable and will not give into
36:15
Speaker 11: these wild eyed fanatics. That's more important than three seats
36:19
Speaker 11: in the western suburbs.
36:21
Speaker 1: And of course it's not as though we haven't seen
36:25
Speaker 1: the propensity for the western suburbs of Sydney Cameron to
36:28
Speaker 1: vote for an independent before.
36:29
Speaker 2: I mean diar Lee.
36:31
Speaker 1: Of course toppled, of course, so Scenic cannearly when she ran,
36:35
Speaker 1: and of course she was a ring in and there
36:37
Speaker 1: was a big campaign about But it's not like it's
36:39
Speaker 1: off the cards.
36:39
Speaker 2: To get an independence out there.
36:43
Speaker 5: Well not at all, Caleb, and I think the thing
36:45
Speaker 5: here is it's not about whether the Muslim candidate gets
36:47
Speaker 5: up because under compulsive proferential that may be difficult in
36:50
Speaker 5: the first past, but what it does to the labor primary.
36:53
Speaker 5: The Muslim vote could have the Labor primary in some
36:55
Speaker 5: of these western Sydney seats. And if not for Tony Burke,
36:58
Speaker 5: who's going around as a low called surrender monkey to
37:01
Speaker 5: amms of Prince g Hard, who hate preaches his own
37:04
Speaker 5: local electric, he is pandering to the Muslim extremes. Is
37:08
Speaker 5: Electric desperate not to offend them because he's desperately worried
37:11
Speaker 5: that his primary, which is sixty percent or thereabouts could
37:14
Speaker 5: be halved and then suddenly he becomes incredibly vulnerable to
37:17
Speaker 5: Green's in the Penans and others winning a seat like Watson.
37:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, Cameron, So go.
37:22
Speaker 6: On, Cameron.
37:23
Speaker 11: We can't we can't let some you know, concerns about
37:27
Speaker 11: those couple of seats jeopardized Labour's ability to win seats
37:32
Speaker 11: in Queensland, Regional, New South Wales, even Victoria and West Australia.
37:36
Speaker 11: If people think that we're surrendering to the wild eyed fanatics,
37:41
Speaker 11: the Corby Knites or the Erzdats Corby Knites, they won't
37:46
Speaker 11: vote for us. It's the main center of Australian politics,
37:50
Speaker 11: just as in Britain, that we should be concerned about.
37:52
Speaker 11: And that's why Starma wore the what won the four
37:55
Speaker 11: hundred Okay he lost five in Corburn won his seat
37:59
Speaker 11: a big deal. They're not going to have any influence
38:02
Speaker 11: on the next government of Britain.
38:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right in that you can't give into it.
38:08
Speaker 1: I just hope some people in the Labor Party understand
38:11
Speaker 1: that let's move from Labor.
38:13
Speaker 2: To the Greens. We've seen plenty.
38:15
Speaker 1: Of outrage today and yesterday over Green Senator Marine Ferruki,
38:19
Speaker 1: who refused to say whether Hamas should be dismantled. Here
38:24
Speaker 1: she was on Insiders, Tamas need to be dismantled.
38:29
Speaker 12: Well, listen, the situation with Hamasa is that it has nothing.
38:34
Speaker 12: I can't keep repeating it again and again. It has
38:37
Speaker 12: nothing to do with Palestinian statehood and Palestinian self.
38:40
Speaker 6: The question was we have dismantled.
38:44
Speaker 12: The Palestinians need to decide where they want to go
38:47
Speaker 12: with their own region.
38:50
Speaker 2: It's just pathetic.
38:51
Speaker 1: And in that same interview Cameron, she refused to say
38:54
Speaker 1: that the protests at Parliament House were a security breach.
38:58
Speaker 1: She said she was proud of Adam of Payman for
39:01
Speaker 1: voting against labor. I mean, you know, I just can't
39:05
Speaker 1: get over this stuff. If you asked a very simple question,
39:08
Speaker 1: should they be dismantled, why can't you just give a
39:11
Speaker 1: simple answer.
39:14
Speaker 5: Well, And she also said the Australian War Mean Memorial
39:16
Speaker 5: was just another building, so it should be allowed to
39:18
Speaker 5: be refeited. I mean, she's a disgrace. She has completely
39:21
Speaker 5: lost to moral compass on her Mass. I mean her
39:23
Speaker 5: Mass is a terrorist organization that murdered and raped and
39:26
Speaker 5: took hostage women and Faruki stands up there and says
39:30
Speaker 5: she's an anti racist in her Wikipedia profile. Now she's
39:33
Speaker 5: completely lost a moral compass, and her master just proves
39:36
Speaker 5: how extreme the Greens really are.
39:40
Speaker 1: You'd have to wonder, Michael, whether or not Labor, if
39:45
Speaker 1: it has its brains together, goes into any preference deals
39:49
Speaker 1: with the Greens from this point on this right, because surely,
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Speaker 1: in the same discussion that we were talking about before,
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Speaker 1: this is not the time that you want to be
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Speaker 1: sidling up to to someone like the Greens. And they
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Speaker 1: have to take a stand and say no, we're not
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Speaker 1: going to accept this equivocacy that we keep seeing from them.
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Speaker 11: Well, I don't think we should be swapping preferences. I
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Speaker 11: think you were right at the beginning of the program,
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Speaker 11: Kaleb that they're probably going to be forced into coalition
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Speaker 11: with the Teals. But the Canberra Press Gallery and the
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Speaker 11: Labor Party have to do their job and document what
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Speaker 11: Marine Feruki said on Insiders is only part of the picture.
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Speaker 11: Do you or your listeners know that the Green Political
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Speaker 11: Party has voted against every piece of national security legislation
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Speaker 11: that have secured the safety of Australians Since September the
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Speaker 11: eleventh every piece of legislation, and what's their attitude on
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Speaker 11: the death tax. I want to know their attitude on
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Speaker 11: the death tax. On all of these kinds of issues.
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Speaker 11: They should be examined like any other political party. Let
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Speaker 11: off scot free. They get off easier than Joe Biden,
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Speaker 11: and that you shouldn't be had to be and that's
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Speaker 11: the way of defeating them, to expose them for what
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Speaker 11: they are.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts on the latest news
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Speaker 1: poll data. I went through it earlier in the show,
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Speaker 1: but it shows that the Coalition has sort of creeped
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Speaker 1: the head of Labor in New South Wales, it's increased
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Speaker 1: its lead in Queensland. It is early days, Cameron, but
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Speaker 1: if we were to go to an early election, the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister does have a thing or two to worry.
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Speaker 5: About because Labour's primaries move nowhere and it's in fact
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Speaker 5: gone backwards in large terms in terms of trend. And
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Speaker 5: remember back in March of last year when sixty forty
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Speaker 5: was the vote for the vote yes and everyone thought
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Speaker 5: it was okay, and everyone said, oh, but Queensland's gone bad.
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Speaker 6: But that's okay.
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Speaker 5: The album is to said were going to lose one
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Speaker 5: state and they lost two states. No, this is a
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Speaker 5: really interesting trend and Peter Dutton's onto something here in
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Speaker 5: terms of the way in which he's assidiously working down
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Speaker 5: the labor primary and New South Wales is the largest
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Speaker 5: state with a huge number of marginal seats in it.
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Speaker 5: So no, I think this Newspoll's alarm bells for labor.
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Speaker 1: Now Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, he's attacked Peter Dutton, this bloke,
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Speaker 1: I mean, he should not be in the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 1: He's called him a thug on the Project on Channel
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Speaker 1: ten last night.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen.
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Speaker 13: What sort of prime minister will Peter Dunton.
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Speaker 8: Make if he wins?
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Speaker 5: I think that's something we should contemplate with dread.
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Speaker 2: Really is a thug?
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Speaker 1: I mean, Michael, for heaven's sake, why is this man?
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Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, as a labor man you
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Speaker 1: probably think this is fantastic, But why is this man
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Speaker 1: still a member of the Liberal Party so openly as
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Speaker 1: an ex prime minister denouncing the guy who the party
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Speaker 1: which he is a member would like to be the
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Speaker 1: next Prime Minister of the country.
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Speaker 11: Well, first, I didn't know the Project was still airing.
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Speaker 6: I think.
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Speaker 11: Can he do now, and they probably got altern Beleon
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Speaker 11: there to try and boost the last minute to me
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Speaker 11: at ratings. But I admire loyalty in politics. You know,
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Speaker 11: people admire John Howard even if they're not liberals, because
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Speaker 11: he's a loyal liberal man. And Malcolm's entitled to his views.
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Speaker 11: But don't you think one of those dummies on the
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Speaker 11: project could have asked him, aren't you personally motivated, mister
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Speaker 11: Turnbull because mister Dutton voted against you and organized numbers
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Speaker 11: against you at the last preselection. And aren't your answers
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Speaker 11: a bit self interested? You see, if they did that
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Speaker 11: and they had a bit of conflict on their program
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Speaker 11: with some of the easy interviews they give, they might
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Speaker 11: get their listeners back.
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Speaker 1: I just cannot believe the guys still eve they're the
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Speaker 1: miserable ghost. He strikes again, Cameron Michael, thank you so
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Speaker 1: much for your time. After the break, calls for Joe
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Speaker 1: Barden to step aside Row Louder as he bumbles through
43:45
Speaker 1: another public event. Kacha Garda will join the next Well,
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Speaker 1: there's pressure mounts on Joe Barden to quit the race.
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Speaker 1: He continues to campaign and desperately hemps to prove to
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Speaker 1: Americans that he's up to the job. But it doesn't
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Speaker 1: really matter how hard he tries. The US President simply
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Speaker 1: cannot keep up, let alone stand up, even when his
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Speaker 1: aides are prompting.
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Speaker 2: Him to.
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Speaker 6: Let us stand together as well for us.
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Speaker 1: So the law, Oh my god, it's so hard to watch.
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Speaker 1: And it comes as visitor logues have revealed that the
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Speaker 1: president's physician met with a Parkinson's disease specialist in the
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Speaker 1: White House. For more, let's bring in Sky News contributor
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Speaker 1: Kosher Garda Kosher. I mean, you know, the calls from
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Speaker 1: the Dems for him to exit keep on mounting. We
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Speaker 1: see stuff like that today. I know there are some
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Speaker 1: in the White House and in the Dems who think
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Speaker 1: that it's actually a good thing to get him out
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Speaker 1: doing more unscripted appearances.
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Speaker 2: I would be.
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Speaker 1: Keeping him as far away from them as possible.
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Speaker 14: You know, it is fascinating, Caleb where to be with.
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Speaker 14: There's always that was a strategy last time, and the
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Speaker 14: pandemic provided extra cover to that strategy. You know, these
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Speaker 14: means had gone viral. He's hiding in his basement, campaign
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Speaker 14: from his basement, and obviously that playbook worked.
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Speaker 10: Now.
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Speaker 14: The only thing that's different between now and ten days ago.
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Speaker 14: Is the media has decided to cover it because it
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Speaker 14: was so undeniably impossible to ignore what broke out on
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Speaker 14: that debate stage. And none of these clips are new.
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Speaker 14: There's so many going back months and even years like it,
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Speaker 14: as you know, but it was very sparse in terms
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Speaker 14: of how the media covered it. Now it's out in
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Speaker 14: the open. They're clearly in the camp of people pushing
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Speaker 14: for him to step down. But I maintain that this
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Speaker 14: is far from over. There is not consensus clearly with
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Speaker 14: him but also within the party, and it is not
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Speaker 14: a foregone conclusion that that is going to happen, though
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Speaker 14: the pressure is certainly mounting.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course he also said over the weekend
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Speaker 1: that he was going to come in the overflow room
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Speaker 1: for that bit of INFOJO Now over in the UK,
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Speaker 1: Sir Quis Starmer has of course completed his first day
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Speaker 1: on the job and he is proving that he is
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Speaker 1: a man.
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Speaker 2: Of his words.
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Speaker 1: So far is confirmed that the contentious for a wonder
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Speaker 1: plan is already dead. It was interesting though, because obviously
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Speaker 1: this campaign, this election, we sort of knew what the
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Speaker 1: result was going to be, and in fact this win
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Speaker 1: was so set in Stone that one New Zealand reporter
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Speaker 1: decided to do this.
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Speaker 13: The change in power has appeared inevitable for months, if
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Speaker 13: not years. Today's result was so predictable I was able
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Speaker 13: to confidently film this weeks in advance before flying home
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Speaker 13: to New Zealand.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I love that so much.
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Speaker 1: But what a strange thing to look at with their
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Speaker 1: first past the post system of course, where you know,
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Speaker 1: Reform had the third highest share of the vote but
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Speaker 1: only has five seats. Labor had a pretty low turnout
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Speaker 1: overall but has four hundred seats.
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Speaker 14: Indeed, and you know, good for that reporter. Maybe she's
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Speaker 14: getting an extra day of vacation because she put that
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Speaker 14: package together in I think what you mentioned, Caleb would
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Speaker 14: have been the more interesting story to really actually cover
47:12
Speaker 14: what Reform has done. And I think in some ways
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Speaker 14: overperformed in certain groups and what is that going to
47:18
Speaker 14: mean for the Stormer Parliament and others. And on the
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Speaker 14: Rwanda thing, it's no surprise that is a seminal issue,
47:24
Speaker 14: obviously a lightning rod issue between the left and the
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Speaker 14: right and so and it was emblematic. So he's not
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Speaker 14: wasting a single day getting rid of that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, just very quickly. We've only got a minute left, Kosher.
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Speaker 1: But we've seen the scenes in France today after their
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Speaker 1: second round of votes in their national election. The lift
47:42
Speaker 1: has done much better than expected they have.
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Speaker 14: There were obviously machinations that were used in that where
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Speaker 14: something like two hundred candidates dropped out so that they
47:54
Speaker 14: cleared the cannibalization or dilution of anybody who's not from
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Speaker 14: Le Pen's party, and the result is what it is.
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Speaker 14: France is very very divided tonight and will be at
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Speaker 14: least for the next year until a future election is held,
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Speaker 14: and that's where we see these riots and other things
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Speaker 14: are sadly only going to probably get worse in that period.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the thing I don't understand about this system.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like it's gamed against the opposition
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Speaker 1: because you get an idea of where things are going
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Speaker 1: to go, and then you go for the second round
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Speaker 1: and you can basically change your campaign and get candidates
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Speaker 1: to drop out to do things like that. I don't
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Speaker 1: know that that's entirely fair. Kosher Gada, thank you so
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Speaker 1: much for your time.
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Speaker 2: That's it for me. I'll be back tomorrow night at
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Speaker 2: eight pm.
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Speaker 1: Of course, up Now Paul Murray Live, hosted by James Morrow,