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Elon Musk Talked About The Twitter Campany! · Elon Musk Thinking

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It was very expensive. Guys, this is a gift. It's a it's
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an iou worth forty four billion dollars, so well, you know, uh
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frey, forty four billion would be with that much anyway, that's a good
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one, so I might want to hang onto that one. Yeah, hang
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on to that one. Okay, that's a big one. I will treasure
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this gift. But it's seriously crazy to us. We come into the Twitter
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Twitter headquarters. We were you know, banned from Twitter in March twenty twenty
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two. You restored us on a bunch of other accounts in November twenty twenty
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two, and then now we're invited and we get to come here and we
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weren't even allowed to go into our account. You know, absolutely, it's
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like barbarians storming at the barbarians, not really at the gate there through the
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gate and pullaging much. That's what we were doing. We're in and we're
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pillaging the march. You're the bar You're you're the barbarian. Yes, just
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making sure two of my barbaria and friends. Okay, I want to ask
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about that. So the restoring of accounts, Yes, when you came in,
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so you took over, you closed the deal, There was the lawsuit,
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there was all that, There was the drama. We were we were
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like riding a roller coaster wondering what was actually going to happen, because we
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had no idea if you would ever actually take over the company, if we
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would ever actually get out of Twitter jail, because we had vowed to never
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delete that tweek right, So we were watching and just kind of wondering,
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what's really happening. Um. Then you finally take over and you go in
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on day one, what are the conversations like, take us behind the scenes,
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Like what happened behind the scenes where you're talking with the team, You're
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trying to figure out what to do with the advertisers and all of that.
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What was the conversation behind the scene that around were storing accounts? There are
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a few questions around wise king of Sinkum, but where is the sink?
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Is the sink still here? Um? Security has its do really? Yeah
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it's here? Um yeah Um. I'm still running into people who didn't don't
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Actually they asked me, why did you wakens lovely with the sink? Because
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it us Yeah, thinking a punt let that sink in, Um that couldn't
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help it. You know, I felt like if I showed up with the
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sink, they'd have to let me in, right because you can't help but
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let that sink in. It's impossible. It seems it seems like the perfect
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Halloween you know costume. Yeah, if you want to presume you want to
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get into people's houses, Yeah, that's hysterical. So you came in though,
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and you said bring back the battle and be you bring back these accounts
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like and then there was like pushback, right, didn't you get pushed back
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internally? That's what was reported anyway? Just going off the way was in
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the news. Yeah. Um, I mean it was chaos in the beginning.
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Um. I was trying to figure out, you know, how to
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run this place, what was going on? Um? And very difficult when
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the whole company works from home. So you know, it's like who do
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you even um zoom with, you know, right, Like, I don't
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know. It's like normally you could walk around, introduce yourself to people and
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have common stations, but Twitter gone to almost fully work from home, so
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this building was empty, um and Twitter pulling around the world or empty,
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So it was just very difficul actually just trying to understand where was going on.
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I'd say it like the analogy. It would be like, I mean,
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teleported into a plane that's in a nose dive with its engines on fire
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and the control stone work, and you gotta take it out of the nose
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time. Yeah. Yeah, you gotta connect reconnect the controls, you know,
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like who do what's what's the old structure, what's the management team?
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Um? Because unlike literally the hour one of the thing closing, I exited
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the top old people of the company, um, and then then a whole
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much people also quit. So it was like, you know, organizational structure
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was like Swiss, like Swiss cheese that you put in the microwave. Yeah,
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you know, it was like full of hells and melted. How is
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your Twitter feed? You funny to be better these days? What? Well?
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I only use the following tab because to me, that's what I always
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wanted social media to be, was just everybody I follow in order exactly the
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order that it's posted. So the for you is more, you know,
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the algorithm driven stuff. Yeah, but I think you try it the for
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you try it out, Yeah, And I use it predominantly and I might
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time on the opposite insane because because there's it's feeding me so much stuff,
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you know, like stuff I'm watching like crazy fight scenes like no context humans
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or CCC video exactly, yes, uncensored video. I'm getting drawn into these
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things, you know, CCTV stuff. Um, yeah, I think it's
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it's good. I mean, I'm not. I'm seeing a mix of opinions
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too. I'm seeing people that I disagree with pop up that I don't follow,
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which a lot of people object to. They don't want to see that.
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They only want to see people that they that they agree with. Yeah,
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well, well, the system actually does take into account your interactions.
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So it basically if somebody, if you argue with someone else, it'll seem
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that you want you want, you like arguing, which probably maybe someone secretly
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does actually like arguing. They don't want to admit it, but they actually
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like it. Um it's like that Monty Plathon sketch, you know, have
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you ever seen that one where for an argument here, for an argument,
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you accidentally goes into the insults room abuse. Um so if if if if
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if, well, if one account argument with another account, but augument will
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assume that that's what you want. You want you want more of more arguments
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or more of that, you know, because you chose your time to spend
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your time that way. So it will actually then show you content that that
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other content you might want to interact with. UM. But I think that
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over time, the recommended for you tweets should be extremely compelling. UM.
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I suspect um that you'd probably want eighty twenty recommended versus following. It'll also
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put it, it'll the most compelling tweets from your followers are also in for
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you. So so skip the boring ones that people pretty much yeah, you
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can go right to the good stuff. I mean there's some casts that I
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follow that tweet twenty times a day or more. UM, So it tends
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to fell up the following. UM. But at you know, you if
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you'd want, like say, the best of the people that you follow should
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be in for you or something's wrong. Um. But the intend is to
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maximize unregretted user time. So that's that's a that's I think the metric,
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that's the metric I've got the whole organization focused on, is um unregretted user
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time. I mean so because I mean frequently here someone said, tell me
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they spent a lot of time on TikTok, but they kind of hate themselves
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afterwards. Um. And so that's un called up you know, regretted user
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time. Um. And you know, so if we can, we wanted
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to be that you spent the time on on x slash Twitter and you're glad
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you did, like you were informed and entertained. Um. And I do
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I think get more laughs from Twitter per day than everything else combined. Frankly,
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yeah, because everybody's moving turns algorithm, Facebook's algorithm, and YouTube's all
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algorithms driven TikTok, So what's Twitter doing differently that's getting you that unregretted user
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time compared with these other apps. Well, I guess it matters what content
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is on a system to be recommended in the first place. Okay, so
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you know TikTok has a lot of teen dance videos. Um. So classically
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it's a populous popula topic. Um. Twitter is more of you know,
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intellectual debates and you know, learning things, humors and and and humors.
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It's it's a much more a variety of a variety show, but but includes
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you know, serious information um and brand breaking news. UM. So you
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know it's what it matters that even if you had identical. There are identical
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algorithms between Facebook and Twitter. Twitter content is better or interesting in that way,
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you still prefer Twitter and and as as you've seen, we've open sourced
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the algorithm and made at this point, I think well over one hundred changes
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based on user feedback. Um. But how will we stay informed if NPR
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isn't there anymore? You know, at any given point, I'm not sure
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if NPR is there or not. Um. I wasn't aware that they were
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there until they said they were not going to do that. Um. That's
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I was with Jim Carrey when I foundut Jim Carrey was leaving Twitter. I'm
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like, I didn't know Jim Carrey was on Twitter. Yeah, and maybe
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it's back. I don't know to find out. I mean, we we're
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trying to apply the rule is consistently at Twitter, so that you know.
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The NPR thing is like, well, UM, if we're going to call
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some media state affiliated, well, there's plenty of meat organizations in the in
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the US that are or in the West that are state affiliated. UM,
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so then we should apply the label equally. UM. And then they get
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prey upset about that UM and said that there will state affiliated implies that the
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state has editorial authority of an influence over the content, and like, so
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you're saying you don't have that, how self? Where are you? Um,
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you know, it's on their website. Well yeah, I mean there's
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there's they well, NPR are literally on their own exactly on their own websites.
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Said, I felt, you know, comment funding is essential to their
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operation, right, and so we even changed it from state affiliated to state
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funded. So that's just literally a statement of fact, right. I mean
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we could actually just look the same text from their website and put it at
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the label. But they're still they're unhappy with that. Yeah, they're unhappy
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with that. It gives the wrong impression, the true impression. Well,
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I mean I think they got to pull their punches and critiquing the government at
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NPR. It's just a gas, you know, based on their extreme dependence
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on government funding. I mean, you don't generally buy the band that fees
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you. Let's real quick though, back to the when you came into Twitter.
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Okay, so the plane is going down and you and you're at the
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controls and trying to save it. So you're doing all these things, but
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you also did want to restore banded accounts. Yeah, and so like the
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trust and safety team and everybody was where they were arguing with you about that,
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pushing back on that. Or was it primarily advertisers who were giving you
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the most pressure and saying, if you restore all these accounts, we're pulling
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our ads. What was happening there with pressure you we're getting well, I
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mean it was just a totally coowdic situation because they're still gonna run tells on
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SpaceX M while trying to figure out anything about how Twitter runs. Um,
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uh you know where you know, I actually exited the top four people in
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the first hour, and then there were a ton of others that either got
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exited or quit yea. So I was really just trying to keep the wheels
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in the bus. Is the top priority? Um. That Twitter codebase's very
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It's actually much more complex than you think, and it's not something that just
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works, you know, it requires a lot of carapeating. Um. And
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there were many people who are predicted that the service would go down and would
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Twitter Twitter is not going to exist after this weekend. There was a whole
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World Cup was going to kill it, right, because yeah, it was.
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It was gonna get crushed by the World Cup. Number. Predictions that
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Twitter is about to die were ridiculous. I mean, well, can just
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go like almost particle right, Yeah, it's like but but it was still
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they didn't have They did kind of have a point in that it wasn't too
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easy to keep things running. Um. There there were so many estary corners
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of the Twitter software and the system operations that make it hard to you know,
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it's hard. It's hard to keep running. It's not it's not I
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can ephasize that enough. It's not a so like some app on the phone
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that just works. It's a super complicated thing. Financially, it was a
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very tough situation because Twitter in a normal year would do probably four and a
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half billion dollars in revenue four and a half billion in cost. So it's
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a you know, it's they'd probably lose a little bit of money because I
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you know, so I called a really expensive nonprofit because Twitter is of its
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lifetime. I believe negative on profitability, like it's lost more money than it's
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made. Um. But with because the high price the acquisition um which is
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very foolish, foolishly high on my pob um, there's twelve and a half
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billion dollars a debt and debt so I was saying, it's a billion and
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a half So. And then there's a cyclic decline in advertising that seems to
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start maybe around May of this year, but it was pretty significant. That's
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what you saw. Facebook and Google and others also do some layoffs as a
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result. Um. So there's a cyclic decline in advertising, and then um,
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a pretty major pause in advertising where advertisers weren't they just put their their
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campaigns on pause. Um. They didn't definitively say no. I mean if
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in a few cases they did, but mostly in a response to you taking
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over and passing free speech, they're like, oh, we don't want free
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speech. Yes. Uh. Well, it's more like they are worried about
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something that would affect their brand. I suppose, um, although it seems
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like sometimes they worry about the wrong things, the things they should be worried.
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They should be worried about some things, and they aren't and aren't worried
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about other things and should be. Um. But nonetheless, there were a
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lot of the advertisers put put the advertising on pause, kind of like see
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where things go. Um. And that causes about a it's almost affective set
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of reduction in revenue immediately um so. So in rough terms, we're um
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during about negative three billion dollars a year in cash flow and possibly trending to
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do worse than that, possibly four or five. So how hard to tell
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where the bottom was? Um and a billion dollars in the bank, so
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called roughly four months to live. What were the options if you go?
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If you ran out like you would have to continue to fund it, you'd
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have to seek funding from outside. Yeah, I mean it's a limited you
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know, how much tells the stock I can sell and I can't sell it
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all the time. I mean the reason I saw stock in December last year
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was which I regret at this point, was because I wasn't sure how much
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money Twitter would need. I've thought, you know, I might just the
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you know, in October it was six million, six billion dollar cash burne
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and we don't know where revenue is going to bottom out. I had to
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get the company to financial stability, which we I think more we're close to
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natural stability, roughly not quite break even, but close to it. And
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I think training positively, you know, I think I think it's it's at
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least the planes in level flight. The engine of engineering, software and sharing
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is in much better shape. Um. I think we've played more futures and
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capabilities in the last six months than Twitter is down in the last six years.
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So with us twenty percent of the team, that's crazy. Yeah.
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Do you do you feel like it was worse it? I mean, do
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you ever regret it and go, why did I do this thing just to
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make a stand for free speech? Or Um? I think it was necessary
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and I think I wouldn't say that there's anything that's in retrospect has caused me
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to um. Like, I think it was still the right move to acquire
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Twitter, even at the outrageously high price. Um. Yeah, I think
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it's gonna turn out to be important. Well, the price wasn't just financial
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either. It's like, no, I mean this is a I mean I
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should say, like you know, I do there there were there are other
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investors beside me and Twitter. Um, and I'm the majority on it.
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But I have to. I want to make sure that those who invested with
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me do not suffer loss. So I'll make sure that the ultimate outcome is
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better than their original investment. But it's so I want to became of us,
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you know, so it's it's it's but but certainly get this will be
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this is a hard way to get richer, that's for sure. Um this
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is thought. This is the mega pain way to make money. Um that
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this uh a lot of pressure on whoever's running Twitter, who you know to
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do this with that on the platform, as you might imagine at any given
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point, someone you know, someone powerful is unhappy basically um So anyway,
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but I think it was it was still important to do UM and I because
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they know pretty much all of the social media companies and the search companies were
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acting in unison and along with your legsy media. So it was just where
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do you find you know, actually, where do you find the truth?
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And you know, if everyone is in lockstep with a lie? Well you
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just did you see Obama's comments recently in a CBS interview I think it was
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CBS where he was talking about how the thing that keeps him up at night
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is how the media. There's like diversity in the media now and there didn't
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used to be, and so now you have different narratives and people basically in
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having different realities and that's the thing that's like keeping him up at night.
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Is like the big problem that we faced right now. We wanted to go
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back to the glory days. Yeah, there was one narrative. The media
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was unified, three different channels. I'll telling you this. So you disagree,
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you're telling us you disagree. Well, I haven't seen the full video,
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so it's possible there maybe some contextual elements that mitigate community notes will help
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us with that one. Yeah, cur notes is being pretty good. Um
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yeah, I'm watching it closely to make sure. Because the as community notes
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gains credibility, the the value of gaming it increases. So um, we're
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going to make sure that it is as ungamable as possible. I mean,
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the you may notice, but the I mean, the essential idea behind community
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notes is that a note is only shown if it is rated highly by people
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who historically have different opinions. So where to people who would normally disagree agree?
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Yeah? Um, And so even if there's a lot of people from
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say like one political point of view, it doesn't have to be political,
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but one point of view, and it's only a small amount of number from
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another political point of view, they still have to agree. You can't just
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brigade the thing with with one ideology. I think the value and community notes
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goes so far beyond just like fact checking notes. It's actually entertaining when somebody
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gets noted. It's like it's bit's better than getting ratioed. It's it's it's
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awesome. It is awesome. Yeah, the human value of some of the
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notes, yeah, um. And I think it's when fact checkers get noted,
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it's like it's so ironic, you know, it's beautiful. Well,
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we have so much experience with fact checking because we were getting fact checked by
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Snopes all the time for our jokes, you know, but that was just
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one blue haired lady or something getting mad at one of our jokes. And
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it's so much more powerful when it's, like you said, people that just
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agree, the community coming coming together to fact checks something. And yeah,
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I mean the ones that I see are there, they're solid. It's like
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rare to see a wrong one. So um, and anyone can I can
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get community noted, UM clearing me obviously, UM, as well as advertisers
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and and presidents of countries and whatnot. So I think once you get noted
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a few times here, it's an honesty amplifier, you know, so well
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they're not used to it. People they're not used to it. Yeah,
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people that are on the left or just in their own echo chamber government leaders,
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they're not used to that kind of accountability or not. I think it
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definitely comes as a surprise when they get a community notables the first time.
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Have you been noted? How many times have you been noted on? I'm
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not sure, maybe three times. I don't know. Um, I've never
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been community noted. I don't think BABILMB hasn't been community not yet. I
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was wondering about that. If if we're gonna get like marked like this was
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satire, if people believed it was true or something like that and hasn't happened,
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Well, we don't make any truth clims really, right, I mean,
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so, I don't know. That was the weird thing about the fact
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chicks people believe it. Sometimes they can't tell if it's real. I can't
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blame them, so I can't or some of these articles are I can't tell
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it. I mean, I can tell that that doesn't have a bee logo
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on it. But but but the actual text of the headline is indistinguishable from
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a ya you know piece. So it's very very common at this point.
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Um, it's a crazy world reliving. Yeah, that's why I don't blame
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people when when when someone says that they you know, they make fun of
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people who think that satire is true. I'm like, I don't, you
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know, it's the real. The real headlines are so satirical in nature they
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seem like a parody. So if you believe it be article, it's just
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yeah, the naturally is going to happen. So you want to say,
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you know, like you see some of these things where it's like free speech
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is bad from free speech or so you know, if there was like one
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headline to that effect, yeah, yeah, it's very it's as a sentire,
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real real. It's like, um, you know what you New York
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Times had like critical thinking is bad for our democracy or something. I remember
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that, Like, what are you talking about that in saying there's a lot
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of those. There's a lot of them. But you want to see Twitter
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be a place where truth prevails through debate, right, where people actually go
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back and forth, rather than you having somebody from the top down deciding this
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is what's true and this is what everybody needs to believe, and in lockstep
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unison putting that out there and silencing and stamping out everybody else. Yes,
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we definitely want devotion narratives. That doesn't mean they have to be um you
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know that that people need to get get violent about it or anything. But
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I think you want to have marketplace of ideas where um, people you know,
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have different viewpoints, they argue the viewpoints and maybe some minds are changed
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along the way. Um, so you know there's this, there's both isn't
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it's also is the it's the narrative true? And who's choosing an narrative?
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Who's choosing a narrative is a bigger deal than you know? Is the article?
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Is everything? The article accurate? Because there's a lot of things you
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can write about on Earth, Why I write about that thing? Yeah?
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So yeah, So the aspiration here for X slash Twitter is to be I
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would call it the least the least untruthful place on the Internet. Like we
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should acknowledge that there will be things that are on true on the platform,
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but we'd like to be the least untrue of any place. And people have
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a right to be wrong anyway. Um, you know, but I think
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we're succeeding if if it's if Twitter is the place where you can get the
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most accurate, the closest to the truth, um, and different perspectives on
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the truth, to degree that to agree that it's subjective, that's the that's
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the goal, pretty straightforward. And Elon even thinks that he has the right
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to share his opinion. Yeah, it has the audacity, which we found
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the audacity to share your own opinions. I was thinking the opposite in this.
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This is a reference to the interview that you had recently with CNBC and
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and you were asked why you tweet certain things? Why do you why do
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you share that publicly? Why do you share widely? Why don't you why
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don't you keep it in the question? The sources Magneto. Yeah, sorry,
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Magneto. I should undersaid that it's unfair to Magnetos. Unfair to Magneto
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exactly. My mind goes the opposite direction. I'm like, what's in your
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unsent drafts? I want to I want to know what you're holding back.
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We promise we won't publish this, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll turn
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the cameras on. Yeah, I probably. There have been a few cases
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where you know, if this tweet, if I still want to send this
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tweet in the morning, yeah, I will do so. Um. And
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there've been a few cases where I should have done so. That would have
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saved a lot of grief. Um. So there was some truth that I,
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like a good friend of mine said, you know, it's not gonna
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suggest out of stuff tweeting, but but you might want to consider saving it
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as a draft and seeing if you want to tweet it in the morning.
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Yeah, that's good advice. That should be a bible first. Yeah.
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I think like Lincoln did something where he used to write these like angry letters
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to people, and then he came to the conclusion that he really wasn't doing
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any good and so you'd write the angry, angry letter and then see if
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you wanted to mail it the next day. I believe that was and then
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he almost never mailed it. But you don't write angry tweets, UM,
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angry once in a while, you know, Well then sometimes that might tweets
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are seen as angry when they're not. Um. So it's difficult to convey
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tone, you know, sarcasm and a Tweetum, we need that sarcasm font.
25:56
That's a feature there. Yeah, on Twitter, you see what is
26:00
a sarcasm point? I don't know. We gotta we gotta make it up.
26:03
It's like the SpongeBob. It's the you know, the capital letters and
26:07
the capital yet letter eything. Yea make a sarcasm fun on Twitter and we
26:11
can see. Okay, you seem taken back by that question though, Like
26:14
I'm just starting like, how would you visually show that some of a sarcasm?
26:17
Oh? Yeah, I don't know. Um, there's no way to
26:18
do that. You need a disclaimer. Yeah, he's thinking about it now,
26:27
he's calculated. Now it's a problem he's gonna do. You can animate
26:30
the fund, Yeah, in a sarcastic way, sarcastic animation. Can't you
26:38
tell? We've lost him now? He's just trying to send this problem you
26:44
call that animation. It's not a sarcastic animation. Seeing a lot of people
26:49
who are saying they want to put their video on Twitter. Now, Tucker
26:52
Carlson is going to do his show on Twitter. Right? And that wasn't
26:56
like a deal you worked out. You said it wasn't. There's no deal
27:00
at all. Um, And I you recommended it to Don Lemon too.
27:03
Did he respond, did he say he's going to do it? I don't
27:04
know. I actually haven't looked it up, but I in general, I
27:07
think it would be cool. Yeah. So um um, I mean he
27:15
you know, we did talk and he just asked me, like, if
27:18
he does something on Twitter, will we sensor it? And I was like,
27:21
well, no, we you know, we believe in like the First
27:23
Amendment. And it's like a moment too before protecting the First Amendment. Um
27:30
amen, exactly amen. Um. So you just wanted to confirm that,
27:37
like, you know, we wouldn't sort of like suspend as account or or
27:41
whatever. And I said, well, as slung as it's like your slung
27:45
is a it's lawful um and uh, then then we will not just spend
27:51
the account. So that was enough for him to say, yeah, just
27:55
what you want to confirm. You want to confirm that that you know,
27:56
it's the free speech. He wasn't concerned about monetization. We want monetization,
28:02
that's how can we make money. I think I think I think that is
28:06
actually in a pretty good financial position. I think he's not like, you
28:07
know, struggling to pay the mortgage. Um. So um no. So
28:15
I mean I did say like that we've got the subscriptions thing and that we
28:18
will be also sharing ad revenue with creators. Um, kind of normal stuff
28:23
really. Um. You know, in order for someone to put their video
28:29
on Twitter as well as say YouTube, then they need to at least,
28:33
you know, make money on that, like equivalent amount of money or maybe
28:37
more on Twitter ideally, Yeah, because we make we make about twenty seven
28:41
dollars a month on Facebook. Video YouTube is only a little bit better.
28:45
Are you serious? We don't make much on Facebook. It's very little.
28:48
Yeah. Basically it's really bad on the monetization. Yeah, YouTube's a little
28:52
bit better, but still not and none of them nowhere near the number of
28:56
views you're getting. You know, you'll get millions of millions views, especially
29:00
on these shorts videos, and they throw pennies your way. So what is
29:03
the plan for Twitter video monetization for users? Um? Well, we have
29:07
to have subscriptions, and I subscribe to the video of course. UM,
29:11
thank you, welcome. Can you look at the camera and say, subscribe
29:14
to the best subscribe to the Babylon Beat you want to regret it? Um?
29:18
So the interviews done, We got what we needed. So we have
29:23
subscriptions obviously. Um, we're also going to be surfacing tweets that are subscription
29:30
tweets where you see the first line and we saw it already. Yeah yeah,
29:33
So that that's going to be really a big deal for growing subscriber based
29:37
because people want to kind of see like what is the tweet? You know.
29:41
Um, so we'll keep like you know, providing penalizing content that that
29:45
is for subscribers only, you know. I think it'll take a moment before
29:48
users to get used to it. But the the rate of growth of subscriptions
29:52
is crazy, like, um yeah, I mean I've never this is the
30:00
fastest I've seen anything grow. It's like wildfire. So I think it's gonna
30:07
be good. So the subscriptions, and then there's share of advertising revenue,
30:12
and we just really need to complete writing the software for figuring out like what
30:21
ads were associated with what content and then figure out like, you know,
30:26
some reasonable revenue share. And from the date that I said we would you
30:32
know, compensate creators, we will backdated to that and said people check.
30:37
So with the advertisers, are the advertisers that paused back for the most part,
30:44
are you continue to see problems with him being concerned about your free speech
30:48
stance and the new hire that you have coming in as CEO. Is she
30:52
going to be addressing some of those issues and trying to work with advertisers to
30:56
make sure that they feel comfortable on the platform. But then also, how
30:59
do you balance that with a commitment to free speech? That's kind of yeah.
31:02
So, I mean I think it's reasonable for an advertiser to decide what,
31:07
um what what what content they appear next to? You know, um,
31:11
we'll make sure that that their ad doesn't appear next to something controversial or
31:15
what are they whatever they consider controversial? Um? You know, so I
31:21
mean something is fairly obvious, Like you don't want to say, um,
31:25
a kid's movie showing up next to some racy content of some kind like you
31:30
know and IT'SFW stuff, um so, or or or you know, compassing
31:36
disney Land next to dead bodies in Ukraine. You know, it's like that's
31:41
that's what it's It's reasonable to have these adjacency controls, um. Just like
31:47
you know, advertisers could pick a particular time of day to advertise if they're
31:51
going to advertise, you know, up through I don't know where, if
31:55
it's eight or nine pm versus like you know, midnight, but it's going
31:59
to be different. So yeah, just we have we have those controls in
32:05
place for advertisers. UM. And we said like, look, there's freedom
32:08
of speech, but not freedom of reach necessarily. So it's like if somebody,
32:14
I mean, if you're careful what that that doesn't become d topian.
32:17
But um, people can basically say what they want to say. But if
32:22
if, if, if a lot of verified accounts blag it as you know,
32:25
questionable content, then it will not get amplified. So we're doing so
32:34
we need you need to make sure this doesn't have bad effects. It's new
32:37
higher though there's been people you made kind of both sides mad about it.
32:40
Right, You've got people on the left room mad for their reasons. You
32:44
have people on the right room mad for their reasons. You seem satisfied with
32:46
that outcome because it means that, you know, if you've got people on
32:50
the fringes on both sides upset, then you're doing something right. Right.
32:52
Yeah, But when it comes to LGBTQ and Q and on siltaneously upset.
33:00
I was thinking that I think you know, things go full circle. I'll
33:04
just lt Q and you'd probably get me in trouble if you like, well,
33:10
probably will You are saying. You're saying you want to speak your mind
33:17
even if it costs you something. You want to be able to say what
33:20
you want, even if it costs you something. You said that very emphatically
33:22
in that in that interview you just did sure, and so that matters to
33:24
you a lot. And that in so in a context where you've got like
33:29
a new CEO coming in, there's going to be taking over, and you
33:32
want everybody else to have that same freedom to be able to say what they
33:35
want, even if it costs them something personally in their lives or whatever to
33:38
have that freedom. Um, it would seem to me that the number one
33:43
thing you'd be looking for is someone who's going to come in and be as
33:45
committed to free speech as you are. Um. That trump's even advertising revenue
33:52
in your view, if you're willing to lose money to be able to personally
33:54
speak freely, then yeah. It was also lots of money for advertising money
34:00
because some advertisers got community noted right, um, and we wouldn't take the
34:04
community note down right. So it lost forty million dollars in advertising because of
34:08
that, because a big ones pulled out because a community notes and refusing to
34:14
pull community notes there was a willingness to lose money. Yes, we literally
34:16
just lost forty million dollars. That's it's not out approximation. Will things change
34:23
along those lines where there will there be more willingness to compromise to keep the
34:27
revenue to keep coming in from these big advertisers. Is that a concern of
34:31
yours? Um? No, I think, Um, I think we've actually
34:36
largely addressed the concerns the advertisers. Um. A lot of them like weren't
34:42
necessarily against me taking over Twitter. They just weren't show what it would look
34:45
like. You know, is it you know, is it are the sharks
34:50
in the water or what you know? Um? Yeah, is there going
34:52
to be rampant disinformation? Um? Is it going to be some like massive
34:58
right we takeover? Or so they were just like uncertain, Um, And
35:02
I think we're getting to the point here where they're like, you know,
35:06
and a lot of them use Twitter every day, and it's like it's actually,
35:08
obviously it's obviously not fooled with hate speech, Like anyone who uses it
35:13
knows that. Well. The media keeps trying to say that they keep publishing
35:15
these articles it's hate speeches on the rise. Hates two thousand totally false.
35:20
Yeah, it's completely false. The view counts are um down by a third
35:24
maybe half, and that's despite usage of the you know, all time record
35:30
usage of Twitter. And how do they define hate speech is a is a
35:32
big question mark. Well, it turned out one of the ways that one
35:36
of the hate speech tones was literally George Soros his name, it's just saying
35:40
it. We count it as a hate speech thing. So I thought,
35:45
well, you know, maybe the difference is a little broad. Yeah,
35:50
calling him Magneto it's considered hate. You know, it's like it's not it's
35:55
the comic book. You know, it's like, let's relaxed to you knows,
36:00
not at the end of the world here does that make you professor X?
36:01
Or who's professor X in this? Uh? Well, do you know
36:12
a lot of small people. I think we'll be fine. I think the
36:15
advertisers at this point are comfortable is the fact that Twitter is going to be
36:23
you know, fairer and and and not sort of a haven of hate type
36:27
of thing. Um. And they've they've used it enough for themselves at this
36:32
point too, like they know that from their usage it's it's actually fine.
36:37
Um, we've vastly reduced the amount of spam and scam stuff that happens on
36:44
Twitter. Um, it's quite rare at this point to see spammers whereas might
36:49
be used to be filled with them before. I think we can. We're
36:51
not gonna make old advertisers happy, but I think we'll make most of them
36:54
happy. And um, they'd be enough that are happy that to support the
37:00
you know this platform. But we're not gonna compromise on free speech. Well,
37:07
you see Twitter as more than social media. You know, you've got
37:10
X and everything, and yeah, what is the future vision for them?
37:15
You know, some of that will be fulfillment of the vision I had for
37:20
X dot com twenty four years ago, um, which is you know,
37:25
to be a normally comes thing financial services provider. Um. And you know
37:34
that's actually an important part of free and freedom as well. If if those
37:38
doing you know, the money exchange or running the money system can stop people
37:46
who disagree with them politically, that's a huge problem. I mean, so
37:51
that happened in Canada with the trucker strike, where people are being like basically
37:55
financially ostracized from society or for just protect you being a people's striking, Um,
38:02
and you know, I saw some some strange things with with with PayPal
38:07
where they were like, um, suspending accounts that they for what appeared to
38:14
be political reasons. And if you saw any of that, yeah, um
38:19
so like yeah, like so that's to freedom of information. That's but money
38:22
is a form of information. So I think it's important that we have have
38:29
a within the within the bounds the law that we enable freedom of um,
38:37
flow of money, which is form of information. And you see that living
38:40
on Twitter. Eventually it's part of X. Yeah. Yeah, I think
38:45
we need to broaden the branding. Yeah, Like Twitter makes made sense as
38:49
a name. Um, you know, if people are standing, you know,
38:52
texts basically group text at one hundred forty characters a piece between each other.
38:58
That's that's kind of a shoe thing, a tweet, you know,
39:01
not a long thing. Um. By the point in which you've got not
39:07
just text, but pictures, video, live interaction, um, you know,
39:15
the full array of financial services, um, a full array of communications,
39:21
encrypted communications, voice, video, everything. Twitter I think is the
39:25
wrong branding for that. It was I believe in descripted branding. So whereas
39:30
X is is kind of can X commune anything, So X mark. You
39:37
know X marks the spot X is where the treasure is xxx is. Why
39:40
the point is we're Christians that we wouldn't know um x rated. But I
39:54
think, you know, in general, like goal here is like like,
39:58
uh, let's just make sure we take the actions that strengthen the pillars of
40:05
democracy and further civilization. Um. You know, we want to have a
40:12
future we can look forward to that we're excited that we're we're excited about the
40:15
future, not that one we were sad about it. So, and the
40:21
civilization is more fragile than people realize. If you study the rise and full
40:25
of civilizations in history, you know, when they're at the top, they
40:29
would think they could have a fall, but they always do eventually. Yeah,
40:32
every every civilization has a lifespan. About how many years do you think
40:37
we got left? Well, I'm seeing a lot of late stage civilization vibes
40:43
these days. Ely um Um, I don't know, man, there's so
40:52
many wild cards. I mean, the short term we've got, um,
41:02
we're at the financial crisis probably some economic thing, but whatever, those things
41:07
happen from time to time. Um. But we've got to you know,
41:12
some geological, geopolitical world wild cards with Ukraine and Taiwan and uh and then
41:22
AI, which is you know called does think it's called a singularity for a
41:29
reason, like because you don't know what's going to happen, Like a black
41:34
hole. You go in the black hole, what happens? I don't know.
41:38
We're on the we're on the singularity AI singularity event horizon, circling the
41:45
black hole. Well, and does AI concern you more than those other things
41:51
like geopolitical nuclear war or whatever? And where does that involve on the scale
41:55
for you? I know you've you've said some cautionary things about it, but
42:01
I don't know if you're like as much of a dumer as some people are
42:05
about it. I I mean, the good news about Russian Roulette is five
42:08
the barrels on a loaded that's encouraging. Yeah, that's good. Look on
42:15
the right side. Yeah. It just seems like a lot of times people
42:20
that are in tech are pushing these things forward without any guard rails or consideration,
42:25
you know, for what could go wrong, despite all the cautionary tales.
42:30
Is that's what sci fi is all about, you know, That's why
42:31
there should be regulation and stuff like that, Right, But what does that
42:35
look like, how do you regulate AI for example, Well, I think
42:38
you start off with an insight committee that has you know, people that are
42:45
independent from the leading players, as well as maybe some representatives representatives from the
42:51
leading players, and that's an inside committee. The goal is simply to learn
42:54
things um and then with industry and proposed rules. That's basically how it's worked
43:04
for prudent drug or aircraft or cars. Yeah, so's when when there's something
43:14
that is a danger to the public. H there's some regulatory body too,
43:17
kind of like a referee make sure companies don't cut corners stuff. When it
43:22
comes to just coming back to speech real quick. In Twitter, I've often
43:25
wondered in our case with you, you know, we had a situation where
43:30
this benevolent billionaire comes in and decides, I'm gonna make sure free speech exists
43:35
for people because there's no place where they can speak freely right now. So
43:38
I'm gonna I'm gonna buy Twitter and restore free speech on this platform. Great,
43:43
we're glad that you did that, Thank you. But should we have
43:45
to rely on benevolent billionaires to solve these problems for us? Or should there
43:51
be legal changes? Should there be like right now, the law currently protects
43:54
us from government censorship obviously, right, Well, the First Amendment does that,
43:59
but it does and protect us from private companies that want a muscle our
44:01
speech. So should there be legal changes that prevent viewpoint discrimination into you?
44:06
Do you support laws like that? Um? Are you aware of some of
44:09
the legal the current bills like in different states that are very spills. I
44:17
mean, we have to be careful that that the bill that is intended to
44:21
good do good does not pave the road to help. So, um,
44:28
I think so. Something I think would be very powerful is to say that
44:31
that all social media companies have to open source their algorithms. Um, so
44:38
that if so, at least it's known what they're suppressing and they can't secretly
44:43
suppress things. There's a massive amount of secret suppression going on on Facebook,
44:47
Google, Instagram, massive it's just not as off secret suppression. And there
44:52
was a Twitter and yeah, absolutely, but not anymore right right in puple
44:58
called shadow banning. Directly, it's like there's nothing you can't there's nothing that
45:02
says that you're banned or but you're you're, you're, you are effectively you
45:07
know, stuck in the basement. Well, that would be a legal change.
45:13
That would be a law that requires open source that if you're gonna censor,
45:15
you better do it transparently. Yeah. Yeah. The thing is that
45:20
people, it really doesn't take much to sort of sense or something. So
45:22
there's a lot of sense ship that goes on to Google that people don't realize
45:25
because all that needs to happen is just move just move that length to page
45:29
five, right, you know. I mean the thing about the little joke
45:32
about Google is like, what's the best place to hide a dead body?
45:35
Well, the second page of Google Social results, right, nobody ever looks
45:38
there. So if you just nudge something to page even page two, it's
45:46
going to drop the visibility by one hundred. But if you apply that to
45:51
the principle of freedom of speech but not of reach, isn't that the same
45:53
thing? Is there a difference? Especially? Yeah, that's why that's where
45:55
you're saying, there is you've got to be careful how you handle that.
45:59
Yeah. Well, one of the craziest things you do when you took over
46:00
Twitter was start releasing the Twitter files, which, yeah, like who takes
46:06
over a company and then says, look, how horrible all this stuff?
46:08
What's going on We need to have like truth and reconciliation here, you know,
46:13
So if we're not going to expose the things that we're done wrong,
46:15
why should people believe us in the future. So the you know, that's
46:20
why, like we're trying to be as transparent as possible. So it's like,
46:22
don't take my word for it. Literally look at the algorithm. You
46:24
should be able to recreate the results that you see on Twitter with the you
46:30
know, using that algorithm. So and we're trying to try to make sure
46:35
that that everything is broad to light not just says no hidden layers or anything.
46:39
We just discovered a you know last week hit like some hidden layer of
46:45
censorship that was written in twenty twelve, and like censorships maybe the wrong word.
46:52
It would it would basically suppress. It had like a list of words
46:57
and any of those words some of them were like, uh, like suck.
47:02
If you put suck just sc k. Actually even with other words it
47:10
um it gets massively de amplified. And that was literally a code from like
47:14
twenty twelve. And we found about We found this like where like um of
47:17
code last week it wasnting applied to like all tweets. Wow, um so
47:23
there's uh, like the guy that's bought a flight on starship in Japan is
47:30
um I. His name is his Twitter handles you suck twenty twenty and he
47:39
was like, listen, they started wrong with my account, you know,
47:44
yeah, and I'm sure enough it's because his Twitter handle had suck in it.
47:52
So, um, you know, it turned out there's there was about
47:55
a thousand words from some ancient list that was we're twees who are being suppressed,
48:04
um, and then we just found a list of URLs that are being
48:07
suppressed. Um. You know, some of them aren't like no obviously renowned
48:13
scammer URLs, but but some of them aren't like Babylon b dot com.
48:20
Um. So this is like it's like an archeological dick. Frankly, Yeah,
48:25
you talk a lot about wokeness and the woke mind virus, and all
48:29
that was is do you feel like that's what was driving those kinds of decisions
48:32
here or yeah? Absolutely, So we're we're it's like, you know,
48:38
around here, it's not about whether you had the you know, had some
48:42
of the work kool aid. You're swimming in the cool work kool aid.
48:45
It's like, you know, it's like if fish doesn't see the water,
48:47
it's swimming in it, right, it just seems normal, like if you're
48:52
in the cold, it's normal. The things like there's actually so much material,
48:58
Like there's a god knows how many lines of slack for example. Yeah,
49:00
um, this company ran on ran on slack, So it's like one
49:06
massive group text situation. Um, there's a lot of material. Um,
49:14
not that many emails, emails mostly before people coming from outside, you know,
49:17
outside communications. And then there was that weird government portal that destroyed everything
49:22
after two weeks, which it's not illegal. Um, but yeah, I
49:29
thought it was amazing how you were from day one basically handling customer service.
49:34
Yeah, you were like personally looking at purports from people trying to dig into
49:38
things. Yeah, and that was like around the clock for you for a
49:42
little I mean yeah. The sheer layers like this is a term termacy of
49:49
bullshit basically, Um, so many layers. Um. I mean really the
49:58
there needs to be a ground up re right, Um, you know,
50:02
otherwise we're like going through like this ghost mansion, you know, trying to
50:07
get the ghosts out one at a time. Um, it's still finding ghosts
50:13
as recently as last week. Um so. But but we are actually slimming
50:22
down the code base. We already writing a lot of it. Um we
50:27
we the the main sort of home timeline mixer was seven hundred, one hundred
50:32
thousand lines of code. Now it's seventy thousand. So it's down manufactor from
50:37
ten um and does a better job and is faster. Um So. And
50:43
that's the side of the business you're going to stay involved in and personally invested
50:45
in the textile Yeah yeah, I mean I'm setting the overall ground rules um
50:52
and like the constitution type of thing, which is very clearly free speech.
50:57
Um And and that will that is that is not a revenue optimizing strategy.
51:06
So um. But we don't need to make a ton of money with locome
51:09
backrupt. So. Um. That's part of the reason for having some amount
51:16
of subscription revenue. It's not you know, we respect the advertisers, but
51:22
we don't want to be too dependent on them. Not go bankrupt. That's
51:27
the business. That's the end goal. Loco banckrupt. You know, hopefully
51:30
make at least some reason we'll return for investors. Um. But it's not
51:35
like you know, it's it's not like uh, just some sort of mercantile
51:42
optimization. So do you think it's possible to run a free speech platform that
51:45
is profitable? We're gonna find out, so I think. So, I
51:52
mean, like I'm not sure, Like you can definitely sell yourselves to the
51:55
devil here and and increase revenue. That's what should Yeah, So that you
52:01
know, that's and I think it becomes tough act, especially for a publicly
52:06
traded company. Um, you can be sued for not you know, taking
52:08
the actions that maximized profitability. So um, you know, you know,
52:15
Jack was right that it was impossible to reform as a public company because you
52:20
just get excoriated in the market and have a zillion lawsuits. Um. Anyway,
52:25
So it's like, I'm hopefully platform can be like I said, the
52:30
the least untrue quote closest to close to to closest to true and complete you
52:37
know, the it's gonna be, you know, hopefully the whole truth.
52:43
Probably not nothing but the truth, because there'll be some things that aren't true,
52:45
but but the whole. But but it diversit to be a diversity of
52:50
perspectives so and a diversity of narratives, so people you know, can decide
52:58
what they want to focus on and be forced bad things. Also recommend that
53:01
Twitter. Twitter lists are actually pretty great. You know, so and we're
53:07
we're now. Um it made it easy to find, like uh, lists
53:13
created by experts on various subjects. Um So, that's another way to stay,
53:20
you know, staying formed on on any subject, whether it's sports or
53:22
politics or video games or whatever. How worried are you about mastered on in
53:29
tribal Um? Well, once I tried using them, I was like,
53:37
it's not going to be It's not a threat. That was my conclusion.
53:42
Most importantly, you brought up video games. Have you played the new Zelda
53:45
game yet? Is it? Is it great? You know I've never played
53:50
a Zelda games, haven't. Um? I I only with where I've only
53:57
I played just PC games. Um it's held one PC not legally Okay,
54:05
but you know Halo was the only game that I ever played on a console.
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Okay, what are you playing right now? I'm actually looking for something
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good to play. Um So. I finished dead Space, which is the
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dead Space remake is really good. Yeah, I heard it was woke as
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it woke the dead Space remake, I would not not woke. Okay,
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No, I mean it's it's especially trying to make things as scary as possible.
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It's like as it's maximizing beer. Yeah, it's gruesome. I played
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the original, I haven't played the remake, so now it's a it's it's
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gruesome. Yeah, I mean it's it's a it's it's like it's night really
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the stuff of nightmares. Um, yet, I prefer doing that than email
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more slack. Are you in the slack channels? Do you go in there?
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I don't slack because there's just too much, too much, Yeah,
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exactly, it's like being in a million group chats. Did space not as
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terrifying as a group chat? Yeah? Better than email? The eld Elden
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ring was really good. Did you play right? He beat it? I
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haven't. I haven't beaten again. Yeah, I got a horse, but
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I didn't get very It's a long way to go after the horse. Say
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the least. He played first person? You played Halo? See? Did
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you ever play multiplayers? You just the campaign? Well there's there's the reason,
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one, which is, um, I finished, you know, to
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rag a little? I did. I completed the campaign on legendary Wow,
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all right, which is hard? Thank you? I mean, you know,
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uh, the last battle was really difficult. But you don't go online
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and play against random people on the on the internet, just multiplayer like team
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death match. Um no, well I did. I did that first,
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flit second with with a friend. Um it's it's tough. So actually trying
56:20
to ask if you'll be his friend on Xbox, I'm just wondering if every
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now and then I'm maybe playing against you under some I used to I used
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to play a lot of video games, at a lot of competitive video games,
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so way back in the day. Um I, um, it's quite
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I was quite competitive at Quake. UM and my sort of team before I
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was the second best guy in the team. Um. We came second in
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the first I would I think was the first paid e games tournament in the
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US. That's where you got your money, your start. Yeah, I
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think I think we're like three thousand dollars. We need community notes. It
56:57
wasn't the Emerald Minds. It was a Quake tournament. We need community notes
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to fact check this this claim. Get on it community. Yeah, it
57:05
was so yeah, we we were actually we almost won. But the gay
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guy who's the best on the team, Brandon Spikes, he ums, his
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computer crashed so we came second. Instead. We still gotta have money and
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stuff. I've made money planing video games. That's amazing. Yeah, I
57:22
had so. Yeah. Um, these days are kind of like a campaign
57:29
with a with a good story. Um, it's it's hard to match reflect
57:34
us with like, you know, sixteen year olds. Yeah, there's gotta
57:37
be some strategy element to it. They're always saying mean things about your mom
57:39
and stuff on there. It's kind of um, yeah, I have some
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praise to play Legal Legends. Oh yeah, they're pretty mean. And those
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communities, Yeah, there are toxic they called toxic community. Yeah. League
57:55
is intense. Yeah. League is a lifestyle Yeah, one of those lifestyle
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games. Yeah. I think my son Groffin put more time into League than
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it doesn't get into his college applications. I mean, if you if he
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was awake at like five in the morning, it's like he's playing League.
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So um, yeah, I'm kind of looking for, you know, a
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game, So take your mind off thanks for half an hour or whatever.
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Well, I'll try to come up with some recommendations for you. The new
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Jedi game I'm gonna I'm gonna get that soon. I can't recommend it yet
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because I haven't played. Well, what what's the fun game for phones?
58:32
Cold Vampire Survivors? Oh, I'll check that out. Yeah, that's good.
58:37
My recommendation. Well, what do you do in what do you like
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to watch? In terms of comedy and entertainment? I know you share a
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lot of memes and you know obviously comments bad on b articles and stuff like
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that. You commented what you tweeted one time about how wokeness is destroying comedy
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and how it was, how it was, how well you can't write comedy
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from a leftist play of wokeness because there's no truth claim or the truth claim
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was wrong. I mean, but I mean, you know, hardly needs
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to tell you guys. But um, the you know, the essence of
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a lot of comedy is a revealed truth, um, like a hidden truth
59:14
that people understand intuitively or explicitly. Um. And uh, there's that,
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there's that sort of moment of reveal, you know, kernel of truth,
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of of of often unacknowledged truth. And in that unacknowledged truth is the humor.
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Um. So um, if you're you know, premised on a lie,
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you can no longer be funny because there's no revealed truth. Um.
59:40
And this is Um, you know why a lot you know, a lot
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of people on the left have no sense of human they're not funny. Um.
59:50
And if if there, if there's so many no fly zones you know,
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um that you have to you have to avoid all the time, then
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how do you what what? What is there? What you like? There's
1:00:02
nothing left to make fun about, you know? So um, Well,
1:00:08
Rogan was saying, like wokeness is funny, Like a lot of the woke
1:00:12
ideas are shoutrageous, they are funny. And so when you're not allowed to
1:00:15
make fun of the funniest thing, right, that's why sites like ours do
1:00:20
well. It's because we are willing to do that. There's a lot of
1:00:22
people who are just holding back on the things that are right for comedy.
1:00:28
Well, have you been to the Mothership Club yet in Austin where he's I
1:00:31
know, no, I'd love to go there. And um, he's like
1:00:35
he's trying to make it so that it's you know, comedians can come their
1:00:37
cancel free environment, make the jokes you're not supposed to make. Well,
1:00:40
if you see any comedies from times past, I mean, they're they're so
1:00:45
sort of for important At this point, it's insane. Um. You know,
1:00:52
they're making fun of all sorts of things that would be totally unacceptable these
1:00:55
days. Um. That's why I treat it once like just you know,
1:01:00
legalized comedy. You know. Yeah, um, if you keep you know,
1:01:06
saying that you can't make fun of things, um or something's always punching
1:01:10
down you know, like, well, you're not gonna be anything left to
1:01:16
make humor. I don't think we want to humorists for sure. Um.
1:01:22
This is it means the same thing that you have with speech, where it's
1:01:25
like, you know, if only the popular narrative is being promoted in a
1:01:29
stumber being challenged, then that's a problem. That's a problem for it's a
1:01:34
problem for comedy too. So you can't be funny just propping up the popular
1:01:37
narrative and trying to get people to clap for you, like yeah, like
1:01:40
it's it's applause, it's not laughter. Yes, true clapped somebody called it.
1:01:45
Yeah, yeah, it's spreading seeing some of the snuff it's from the
1:01:50
whose Correspondence Club what dinner you know, um, where finer is getting a
1:01:57
lot of claps. But it was like is it start cheering school or what
1:02:00
you know? A lot of applause, A lot of applause. Um,
1:02:08
you know, yeah, whoever stuff clapping last is out of the You just
1:02:15
want someone normal to be president, you said recently, someone normal, a
1:02:20
normal human being. I mean I think so. Now. Now the thing
1:02:22
is that it just it just it just contrary to my prediction of the most
1:02:28
entertaining outcome is the most likely. Yeah, um, you maybe heard me
1:02:32
say that like this, The simplest explanation is most likely. My friend Jona
1:02:37
has this, you know, his theory is, the most ironic explanation is
1:02:43
most likely, and then my parent is the most entertaining outcome is the most
1:02:47
likely as viewed from a third party who's not in the show. So you
1:02:52
could be watching a World to one movie where people are getting blown to bits
1:02:55
and you're just having a soda on popcorn. You know, it's fine.
1:03:00
Um, it's rough of the people getting blown up by cannon shells. Right.
1:03:04
Um, we're in there getting blown up by cannon shells and whatever the
1:03:07
or or a very good thing happening. Um. But my theory is that
1:03:12
the more often than not, the most entertaining outcome, as as though we
1:03:16
were an alien soap opera, is it's the most likely. So if you
1:03:21
can say what is the most entertaining outcome for the election next year, that's
1:03:28
probably what's going to happen. Is that because God is a jokester? What
1:03:34
or because we're in a simulation, because the simulation, I mean ratings man
1:03:37
just for the God is doing it for the ratings. Well, I'm saying
1:03:43
that that's often the case. Um, the most entertaining outcome as viewed by
1:03:51
a third party, like it like it's a alien soap oarpera is is the
1:03:57
the whole Twitter thing has been very entertaining from the outside. Yeah, on
1:04:00
the inside it's been hell or it hasn't been some hellish moments. Yeah yeah,
1:04:05
I've definitely been some hellish moment of moments. Um. Yeah, so
1:04:10
i's been I say it's a rough it's been a rough six months, but
1:04:13
at this point trending positively. It wasn't easy, some a lot of open
1:04:17
hot surgery. Um, but things seem to be you know, knock on
1:04:23
wood headed in a good direction and your chief twit still right now, but
1:04:29
you hand that off when still figuring that out, um, because Lenda's gotta
1:04:34
exit her obligations at NBC. So, um a month or so, I
1:04:42
suppose, um, but I you know, I'll still be responsible for software
1:04:46
development and the core principles, the you know, the constitution of the company
1:04:53
being um prete speech is Linda understands that she supports that. Good. Yeah,
1:05:00
so she signed something like yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean a
1:05:08
lot of things that they need to get done for a company, are you
1:05:11
know, there's a lot of chores. It's not just things that need to
1:05:15
be done and legal, HR finance, you know, um, yeah,
1:05:21
solving interpersonal arguments that people have. You know, there's a lot of sort
1:05:28
of just general management stuff that takes It takes a lot of time. So
1:05:32
I'm hopefully I can handle that and I will manage the software team. Well,
1:05:41
do you have any questions for us? Um, just you know,
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cheers. I suppose cheers, man, cheers, Thank you for taking the
1:05:51
time. This is awesome. Well you're welcome here. Yeah, it's pretty
1:05:57
crazy to go from Twitter jail too, sitting on Twitter HQ the barbarians boast
1:06:01
through the gate and having a drink in the in the enemy palace, drinking
1:06:11
from the skulls of ours. What is best in life? What is best
1:06:15
in life exactly Coudnel, the Barbarian underrated