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Monster Dad Leaves Tot Son to Bake in Car, Now Walks Free · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine in the back of an extremely hot car with
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  Speaker 2: the windows completely rolled up against hotter and hotter with
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  Speaker 2: every fifteen minute segment, and the air is stifling. That's
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  Speaker 2: exactly what happened to Baby Cooper. Twenty two month old
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  Speaker 2: Baby Cooper left in a hot car to.
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  Speaker 1: Die, and in the last days, a.
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  Speaker 2: Metro Atlanta man accused of putting him there, walks free
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  Speaker 2: from behind bars.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: Justin Ross Harris released from making State prison after serving
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  Speaker 2: only ten years. He was originally given a life sentence
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  Speaker 2: for the death of baby Cooper, but in twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 2: the Georgia Supremes decide to overturn that murder conviction. Why
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  Speaker 2: because evidence came in that at the time he leaves
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  Speaker 2: his baby boy, his top boy in the car to die,
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  Speaker 2: he's sexting multiple women, of course, behind his wife's back.
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  Speaker 2: That's what he's doing as he gets out of the car,
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  Speaker 2: and as he goes inside to work, as Baby Cooper dies.
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  Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories, Imancy Grace, thank you for being
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  Speaker 2: with us. There are two one year sentences left for
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  Speaker 2: misdemeanors for distribution of obscene material to minors prosecutor said,
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  Speaker 2: and injury agreed that Harris left his son in a
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  Speaker 2: hot car back in June twenty fourteen.
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  Speaker 1: He was taking Cooper off.
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  Speaker 2: To daycare and then on his way to his job
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  Speaker 2: at Home Depot Corporate, but he didn't do that. Seven
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  Speaker 2: hours later, Cooper's found in the backseat. The dad Harris
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  Speaker 2: claimed it was all an accident and blamed sleep deprivation.
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  Speaker 2: Prosecutors claim Harris wanted out of his marriage and had
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  Speaker 2: his sight set on having sex with as many women
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  Speaker 2: as possible.
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  Speaker 1: What happened?
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  Speaker 3: Where's become in coming? Yes, ma'am left of the car.
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  Speaker 3: Anybody around them wearing bad? Can you see the baby
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  Speaker 3: from when you were from where you are?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: The baby appeared to be asking about your hold and
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  Speaker 3: can you see him bringing?
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  Speaker 5: I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 2: A baby on the ground. Nine on one coming as
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  Speaker 2: fast as they can. That baby, little Cooper Harris, just
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  Speaker 2: twenty two months old. How did a baby that precious,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, aren't all babies precious at that age end
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  Speaker 2: up on an asphalt parking lot near a mall with
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  Speaker 2: nine one one being called to save his life. I'm
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  Speaker 2: a little overwhelmed just hearing it, because I know that
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  Speaker 2: area is so well, there's cars flying by red lights,
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  Speaker 2: there's a huge mall near where this call was made,
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  Speaker 2: and a tiny, little beady baby lying on the ground.
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  Speaker 2: Let's hear more of that nine to one one call.
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  Speaker 3: I want to pair one of the parents. I look
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  Speaker 3: like a good comparison and American. Okay, be then we
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  Speaker 3: do have people on the line, okay, but I want
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  Speaker 3: to get a bunch of poins makay from you. So
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  Speaker 3: we don't know if the baby's breathing. Correction far to
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  Speaker 3: the baby's blaming? All right, I'm here against Tiger King.
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  Speaker 3: Had them on the way?
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  Speaker 1: Who and the hey had the baby? Who had little Cooper?
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  Speaker 2: Who was in charge of him?
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  Speaker 1: How did he get there?
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  Speaker 2: Why is nine one one being called? Well, where's daddy?
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  Speaker 2: Daddy was driving him home from daycare, or at least
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  Speaker 2: that's where he should have been. But listen to our
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  Speaker 2: friend Amy Roeboch at ABC's twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 6: Despite Ross's apparent initial distress, the cops antennas immediately go up.
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  Speaker 7: I think that's what police were suspicious so quickly because
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  Speaker 7: of his behavior at the scene.
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  Speaker 6: Christian Boone covered the story for the Atlanta Journal Constitution.
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  Speaker 7: When they arrived. Someone else is doing CPR to Cooper.
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  Speaker 7: He was talking on the phone of somebody. Oscar came up.
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  Speaker 3: He yelled at her, hold on, hold up.
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  Speaker 7: He was a little raddick who was sitting the back
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  Speaker 7: the squad cart, alternately weeping or very straw and then
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  Speaker 7: sort of looking around to see. In their mind they
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  Speaker 7: felt like he was putting on the performance, and not
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  Speaker 7: a very good one.
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  Speaker 8: One of the officers, the best she could describe it
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  Speaker 8: as was almost like Will Ferrell. One minute he would
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  Speaker 8: be yelling my boy, my boy, Oh my god.
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  Speaker 2: Next minute he's call you're hearing again our friends at
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 1: I was just taken aback.
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  Speaker 2: Then when you actually hear the father screaming and carrying
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  Speaker 2: on in the background, take a listen to our friends
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  Speaker 2: at a hillm The.
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  Speaker 9: Big word that came out today from the Medical Examiner's
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  Speaker 9: Office homicide homicide in the manner of death category. They've
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  Speaker 9: now found that this was a homicide cause of death
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  Speaker 9: hyperthermia the overheating of the body. However, the official manner
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  Speaker 9: of death and cause of death will not be released
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  Speaker 9: just yet, but they say that the injuries are consistent
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  Speaker 9: with homicide. As the manner of death and hyperthermia as
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  Speaker 9: the cause of death.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me now an all star lineup.
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  Speaker 2: Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family attorney, Vincent Hill cop turn PI,
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  Speaker 2: author of Playbook to a Murder, Doctor Jolie Silva, clinical
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  Speaker 2: forensic psychologist, Doctor Michelle dupre South Carolina medical examiner and
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  Speaker 2: author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide. Robin Willinskey Crime Online
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  Speaker 2: dot Com investigative reporter and author of Beautiful Life, the
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  Speaker 2: CSI behind the Casey Anthony trial on Amazon to doctor
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  Speaker 2: Michelle Duprix, explain to me what is did they say
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  Speaker 2: hype o thermia?
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  Speaker 4: This was actually hyperthermia, Nancy, and hyperthermia is just the
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  Speaker 4: opposite of hypothermia. This is when the body cannot regulate
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  Speaker 4: the amount of heat it is experiencing. So this is
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  Speaker 4: the body getting overheated.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, doctor Michelle Duprix. This is not Hansel and Gretel
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  Speaker 2: where you leave one little brad crime and then I
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  Speaker 2: run to the next one. Okay, you know what I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to.
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  Speaker 1: Say, break it down.
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  Speaker 2: Not everybody listening right now. Is an MD medical doctor
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  Speaker 2: who has performed literally thousands of autopsies and written a
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  Speaker 2: book Okay, how do you get hyper hype or thermia?
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  Speaker 2: How hot does it have to be? How long do
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  Speaker 2: you have to be in the heat? Is this the
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  Speaker 2: same as a heat stroke? What are the symptoms and
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  Speaker 2: what does the victim go through?
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  Speaker 4: Just for starters, thinks Nancy broke for getting me back
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  Speaker 4: on course. Well, again, this is when the body becomes
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  Speaker 4: overheated and can't handle the amount of heat. Typically something
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  Speaker 4: above one hundred and four degrees is going to cause
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  Speaker 4: a severe reaction, but there's different stages of hypothermia. It
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  Speaker 4: doesn't just happen all at once. The body goes into
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  Speaker 4: stress heat stress when the person becomes dizzy, uncomfortable, nause maybe,
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  Speaker 4: and they get thirsty. If they get treatment, I eat,
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  Speaker 4: if they get water, if they get rehydrated, then it's
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  Speaker 4: not such a big deal. If that doesn't happen, the
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  Speaker 4: body can go into heat fatigue, and when that happens,
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  Speaker 4: those same symptoms occurs, but it's just a little bit
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  Speaker 4: worse and recovery is a little slower. The person can
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  Speaker 4: then actually go into heat syncopae, which means that they
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  Speaker 4: simply saint. Once the person that stain is of course,
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  Speaker 4: they still need to get help and become rehydrated. It
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  Speaker 4: gets worse from there. Heat cramps may occur. There can
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  Speaker 4: even become heat edema, there may be a rash. Finally,
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  Speaker 4: heat exhaustion occurs. And once heat exhaustion occurs again, the
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  Speaker 4: body is very busy week there may be profuse sweating,
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  Speaker 4: their coordination issues. Now there's trouble concentrating. There's a rapid pulse. Again,
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  Speaker 4: the person can get immediate medical attention and overcome this,
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  Speaker 4: but there must be immediate rehydration of the body or
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  Speaker 4: starting to rehydrate the body.
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  Speaker 2: And it's actually very very common. I recall just recently
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  Speaker 2: my sister in law, boss wife and been out in
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  Speaker 2: the afternoon playing tennis.
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  Speaker 1: She got hot.
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  Speaker 2: She kept playing some kind of tournament somewhere, and she
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  Speaker 2: comes home, gets in the shower, and she notices she
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  Speaker 2: feels oddly.
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  Speaker 1: She has a heat stroke and perfectly good health.
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  Speaker 2: She had no idea anything was happening other than she
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  Speaker 2: was hot and thirsty.
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  Speaker 10: That was it.
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  Speaker 2: Now I'm thinking about this little twenty two month old baby,
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  Speaker 2: and at twenty two months old, they're so helpless, they're
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  Speaker 2: so defenseless. Take a listen to people I interviewed on
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  Speaker 2: the scene I'm not quite sure why the father ended
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  Speaker 2: up in the back of the car, in the back
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  Speaker 2: of the police car. When he yelled out f you
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  Speaker 2: to the police, I think that pretty much sealed it.
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  Speaker 11: What was he doing in the back of the.
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  Speaker 10: Police car, Well, he was sitting there, and then they
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  Speaker 10: were detective, a homicide detective that came. He was about
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  Speaker 10: one hundred feet away in in a squad car, and
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  Speaker 10: they came and they began to speak with him. But
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  Speaker 10: he wasn't acting out, he wasn't being violent in the
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  Speaker 10: back of the car.
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  Speaker 2: Mister Madden, he actually saw the tot baby Cooper pulled
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  Speaker 2: from the car dead. When you saw what was happening,
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  Speaker 2: what was the first thing you observed?
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  Speaker 10: The first thing, asked her, noticing that the body that
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  Speaker 10: was laying on the hot pavement was in fact a
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  Speaker 10: two year old toddler. It was about four or five
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  Speaker 10: feet away from him, of course, that being Cooper, and
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  Speaker 10: then mister ross I was about three feet away from him,
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  Speaker 10: and he was hysterical. He was crying out, he was screaming,
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  Speaker 10: he was hollering, my son, Oh my god, my son
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  Speaker 10: is dead. Oh my god. It just seemed very real,
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  Speaker 10: very organic.
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  Speaker 2: You stated you were four or five feet away from
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  Speaker 2: baby Cooper.
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  Speaker 1: What did you observe about him?
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  Speaker 10: He looked clean. I saw no bruises, I saw no abrasions.
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  Speaker 10: His hair wasn't pulled back it was was he.
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  Speaker 1: Laying on his back or a stomach?
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  Speaker 2: He was laying on his back, Okay, because the abrasions
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  Speaker 2: mostly are on the back of the head where we
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  Speaker 2: believe he was banging up against his car sate trying
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  Speaker 2: to get out. So was he pale?
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  Speaker 10: No, he looked normal. He just was lifeless.
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  Speaker 2: But a stunning twist in the case of Baby Cooper
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  Speaker 2: crime stories, with Nancy Grace on trial for the hot
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  Speaker 2: card death of his baby boy, the state claimed Justin
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  Speaker 2: Ross Harris was a sex deviant who intentionally left Cooper
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  Speaker 2: to die so he could pursue women he meets online,
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of them, some of them were teenagers.
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  Speaker 2: Harris exchanged multiple sex messages with multiple women the day
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  Speaker 2: his son died. One of the text exchanges was with
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  Speaker 2: a sixteen year old girl. Now, the Georgia Supremes, in
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  Speaker 2: all of their wisdom, claimed that this information was needlessly
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  Speaker 2: cumulative and prejudicial. Hello, not, wasn't That's where his mind
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  Speaker 2: was when he left his little boy to die.
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  Speaker 1: What more do we know.
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  Speaker 11: I'm not a mourning person. And of course, as usual,
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  Speaker 11: I didn't wake up when I wanted to or needed to.
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  Speaker 11: I was getting ready to walk out the door. I
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  Speaker 11: came back, and you know, I told him both by
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  Speaker 11: and I kissed Cooper. I kissed Cooper goodbye.
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  Speaker 12: Not noek that I was literally kissing goodbye.
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  Speaker 6: Eight thirty am, Ross loads Cooper into their small suv,
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  Speaker 6: first a quick stop for breakfast at Chick fil A.
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  Speaker 6: Surveillance video from that morning shows Ross holding Cooper while
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  Speaker 6: they order food. On any other day, Ross would leave
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  Speaker 6: the restaurant and turn left at this intersection to drop
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  Speaker 6: Cooper off at daycare, But on this hot summer day,
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  Speaker 6: Ross drives straight at the intersection towards his office, where
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  Speaker 6: he parks and thirty seconds later exits the car.
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  Speaker 2: I drove that stretch over and over and over trying
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  Speaker 2: to figure out how a dad justin Ross Harris could
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  Speaker 2: quote forget about his baby in just literally minutes, and
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  Speaker 2: that Chick fil A video surveillance becomes extremely signific because
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  Speaker 2: you see in the video baby Cooper is alive, alert, laughing,
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  Speaker 2: totally awake, not asleep in the back of the car
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  Speaker 2: with dad's mind wandering. I mean, he's just there, alive, awake.
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  Speaker 2: Just three minutes later, how do you forget your baby's
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  Speaker 2: in the car. And actually the decision was made right
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  Speaker 2: after Harris pulls out of the Chick fil A, because,
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  Speaker 2: as you just heard our friends at twenty twenty, that
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  Speaker 2: was Amy roboch when he got to that red light,
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  Speaker 2: instead of turning to take baby Cooper to daycare like
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  Speaker 2: he always did, he went straight to his office. So
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  Speaker 2: the decision was made right then, less than one minute
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  Speaker 2: away from Chick fil A, with the baby talking and
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  Speaker 2: laughing as much as a twenty two month old can talk.
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  Speaker 2: It was made right then. The baby was not going
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  Speaker 2: to daycare. Listen to this.
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  Speaker 6: He walks across the parking lot, swapes into his building,
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  Speaker 6: and leaves little Cooper behind. More than six hours later,
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  Speaker 6: Ross leaves work at four fifteen pm. Here he is
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  Speaker 6: swiping out of his building, casually crossing the parking lot.
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  Speaker 6: He gets in the car, seemingly unaware of his son
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  Speaker 6: mere inches from him in the back seat. He drives
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  Speaker 6: roughly a mile and a half before he pulls over
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  Speaker 6: and calls out frantically to onlookers.
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  Speaker 10: Tell me exactly what happened. The guy pulled up parking
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  Speaker 10: lot and the baby's bringing it doesn't look like.
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  Speaker 3: Very injured affler.
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  Speaker 6: At four twenty four pm, police rushed to the Strip
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  Speaker 6: Mall parking lot, where the former nine to one to
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  Speaker 6: one dispatcher is in the throes of his own emergency.
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  Speaker 3: The child would kept saying what have I've done?
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  Speaker 11: What have I done? Laid him on the ground, started
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  Speaker 11: doing CPR, trying to resuscitate him. Apparently the child wasn't
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  Speaker 11: responding well.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people wonder, how could you forget about
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  Speaker 2: your baby for that long in the car?
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  Speaker 1: I think I have an idea.
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  Speaker 13: Listen specifically on the day of the incident on June
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  Speaker 13: the eighteenth, twenty fourteen, and reviewing the computers and phones
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  Speaker 13: and things like that, and the defendants, how did you
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  Speaker 13: uncover anything and what he was doing during that day
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  Speaker 13: while a child was out.
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  Speaker 11: In the car? Yes, okay, what did you uncover?
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  Speaker 14: He was having up to six different conversations with different women.
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  Speaker 14: It appeared from the from the messages from kick mostly,
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  Speaker 14: which is a messaging service, and is that a computer.
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  Speaker 13: Related messaging service? It is and these conversations he was
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  Speaker 13: having with these females. Were these what nature were they?
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  Speaker 11: The most common term would be sexting.
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  Speaker 2: And not only that, sending them online photos of his penis.
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  Speaker 2: Let me let that sink in for a minute, because
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  Speaker 2: at that time of the morning, I am, you know,
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  Speaker 2: cleaning a guinea pig cage. I am trying to get
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  Speaker 2: a cup of hot tea, getting the twins going to school.
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  Speaker 2: The last thing I am thinking about is a picture
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  Speaker 2: of a man's penis. Okay, now let me understand something.
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  Speaker 2: Robin Willinski, crime online, common investigative reporter, no offense to
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  Speaker 2: penises whatsoever. Not taking a position on that, Robin, please
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  Speaker 2: help me understand what is this man doing at what
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  Speaker 2: seven thirty seven forty five am. He's just left Chick
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  Speaker 2: fil A closed on Sunday and he's sexting pictures of
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  Speaker 2: his penis and leaves his child in the car to
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  Speaker 2: die of hyper thermia. Thank you, doctor Michelle dpree.
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  Speaker 5: What Nancy, that is quite the segue. I've worked with
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  Speaker 5: you for about ten years. Yeah, no one wants to
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  Speaker 5: see a picture of his penis. At a point thirty
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  Speaker 5: in the morning, that said, here's how this all started,
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  Speaker 5: by the way, when I first moved to Atlanta, that
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  Speaker 5: was my Chick fil A.
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  Speaker 1: You make the propos my stars. Wait a minute, Robin
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  Speaker 1: me too. And this was in law school.
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  Speaker 2: I came up here for an internship. I was supposed
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  Speaker 2: to stay his sorority house for the summer. That Sunday morning,
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  Speaker 2: before I was leaving to come to Atlanta, found out
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  Speaker 2: somebody left something running in the night.
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  Speaker 1: The whole thing burned down. So quickly found an.
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  Speaker 2: Apartment right near that Chick fil A. That's how I
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  Speaker 2: know the area so well because I lived there and
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  Speaker 2: fought the Atlanta traffic all Zummer.
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  Speaker 5: It's at a very busy intersection. And you make the
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  Speaker 5: point that he has seen on the video surveillance with
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  Speaker 5: little Cooper. Well, when you come out of that Chick
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  Speaker 5: fil A parking lot, you know you were saying it's
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  Speaker 5: about a minute to the light. I could probably do
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  Speaker 5: that in thirty seconds. You pull out of that parking
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  Speaker 5: lot and you go right around the corner and there
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  Speaker 5: is a major intersection there with a light, and to
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  Speaker 5: go to where the daycare is, you would have to
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  Speaker 5: make a hard left at a forty five degree angle,
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  Speaker 5: or you would drive straight as we heard in the
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  Speaker 5: twenty twenty clip, and thirty seconds later, after you get
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  Speaker 5: yourself and your child, your little son breakfast at Chick
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  Speaker 5: fil A, little nuggets or whatever you ordering, how do you,
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  Speaker 5: thirty seconds after pulling out of that parking lot not
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  Speaker 5: take your little son, who's eating the Chick fil A
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  Speaker 5: in the back seat, to daycare? How do you go
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  Speaker 5: straight at the light? Now, Ross Harris worked at the
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  Speaker 5: home Depot, not one of the stores where you buy
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  Speaker 5: plants and nails, but he worked at the corporate office,
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  Speaker 5: which is in Cobb County, where he was a web designer.
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  Speaker 2: Disturbing news is that the Cobb County District Attorney's office
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  Speaker 2: has now announced they will not retry Harris on murder
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  Speaker 2: charges in his son's death. Baby Cooper died a horrible,
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  Speaker 2: horrible death in that hot car while daddy sat inside
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  Speaker 2: in the air condition sexting with a sixteen year old.
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  Speaker 2: Daddy even comes out at lunchtime, opens the car door
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  Speaker 2: and throws a bag inside, shuts the car door, and
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  Speaker 2: goes back into his air conditioned office. Baby Cooper to
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  Speaker 2: stifle dead, to literally bake in the hot car.
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  Speaker 11: What more do we know?
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  Speaker 14: Yes, there were a photos of his exposed penis erect
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  Speaker 14: penis being sent There were also photos of women's breasts
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  Speaker 14: being sent back to him.
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  Speaker 13: Now, did you actually have you located every one of
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  Speaker 13: these girls that he's had contact? I have not have
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  Speaker 13: you located any of them.
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  Speaker 11: I have located two of them.
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  Speaker 13: The first one I won't use the user name, but
• 19:29
  Speaker 13: I guess let me for lack of a better term,
• 19:31
  Speaker 13: the older one. Did you speak with her?
• 19:32
  Speaker 14: I did?
• 19:33
  Speaker 11: And what did she say?
• 19:34
  Speaker 14: She said that she had first met Ross and she
• 19:37
  Speaker 14: knew him as Ross through Scout, which is another messaging.
• 19:41
  Speaker 11: Service, and that he had met up in that he
• 19:44
  Speaker 11: wanted to hook up with her.
• 19:46
  Speaker 13: And did she talk to you and confirm the nature
• 19:48
  Speaker 13: of what you saw on these these chats back and forth?
• 19:50
  Speaker 11: Yes, she did.
• 19:51
  Speaker 13: I'm going to turn your attention. Was there also another
• 19:53
  Speaker 13: girl that you met and you've spoken with?
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I have?
• 19:56
  Speaker 13: And how old is that girl?
• 19:57
  Speaker 11: She has seventeen this time?
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute. Okay, we've
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: got the baby dying from hyperthermia. We've got the chick
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: fil a piece of the puzzle. We've got the I
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: was I was distracted because I was sexting photos of
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: my penis part of the puzzle, and now Vincent Hill
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: cop turned PI, author of Playbook to a Murder? Did
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: I just hear underage sexting? Number one? He's married, okay,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: number one? But number two? Did I just hear something
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: about an underage child?
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 20:33
  Speaker 10: You heard that exactly right.
• 20:34
  Speaker 15: Nancy seventeen years old and you're sending pictures of your
• 20:39
  Speaker 15: penis while your son's out in the hot car, meaning
• 20:44
  Speaker 15: not only are you a sexual pervert, but you're a pedophile.
• 20:48
  Speaker 15: You're sending pictures to a seventeen year old. Oh my gosh, Nancy,
• 20:52
  Speaker 15: and your son is burning inside of a car.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Now, Vincent Hill, let me understand something. You wrote Playbook
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: to a Murder on Amus On. You know there's a
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: lot of ways to commit a murder, many ways to die.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: What about death by a hot car? That takes some thinking.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: That takes some premeditation, Vincent Hill.
• 21:13
  Speaker 15: It takes thinking, It takes planning. This is not something
• 21:18
  Speaker 15: you just at the spur of the moment say oh,
• 21:20
  Speaker 15: I'm just going.
• 21:21
  Speaker 13: To do this because I know it will work.
• 21:23
  Speaker 15: And I'm sure that mister Ross himself was looking for
• 21:27
  Speaker 15: ways to kill his son because there were Google searches
• 21:32
  Speaker 15: of hot car deaths on his search history.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Nancy, Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, Vincent Hill,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: excellent point, Robi Wilenski. Let's talk about the computer searches.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, hello, everybody. Unless you take your computer out
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: into the driveway and run over it with your car,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: beat it with a sledgehammer, you can get forever and
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: ever information off the hard drive. Now that's the computer
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: hard drive itself. There's also tons of data stored out
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: in the cloud, so it's gonna be really hard to
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: get rid of computer searches. Robin Olinsky. We've seen them
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: jump up and bite people in the neck a million times.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: I don't even have to mention tot mom who was
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: looking up homemade chloroform and neck breaking. I mean, that's
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: just one, and there's so many examples. They're staggering.
• 22:23
  Speaker 11: Robin.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: What did justin Ross Harris's computer searches reveal? And guys,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: there is a new update in this case and I'm
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: stunned by it. But about the computer searches, Robin Olinsky, Yeah, the.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: Bottom line is that he looked up a video and
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: it's a man sitting in the front seat of a
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: car talking about how long it would take a dog
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: to die in a hot car with the windows closed.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: In the summer.
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: And the man in the video actually has one of
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: those big circle thermometers you know where you can see
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: the temp sure that people have outside in their garden.
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: And he holds up a big thermometer and you know
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: it shows you know, ninety two degrees and how hot
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: it would be and how long it would take your
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: pet to die.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy is a vet trying to warn people
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: about hot car desks and leaving your pet in the car.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: I want to go now to special guests joining me.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Kathleen Murphy. Kathleen Murphy, there were all sorts of problems
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: within the marriage. Take a listen to this, Kathleen.
• 23:32
  Speaker 13: These messages in these chats. Did they start in the
• 23:35
  Speaker 13: morning they do, okay? And did they continue throughout the day?
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: They do?
• 23:38
  Speaker 11: And when did they end around three o'clock that afternoon?
• 23:41
  Speaker 13: Okay, so about an hour before he left?
• 23:44
  Speaker 16: Over?
• 23:44
  Speaker 11: Will the objection?
• 23:45
  Speaker 13: Now, this sixteen year old girl with these chats of
• 23:48
  Speaker 13: the or now seventeen? They started when she was sixteen?
• 23:51
  Speaker 11: Correct?
• 23:52
  Speaker 13: Did these were these sexually involved as well? They were Okay,
• 23:55
  Speaker 13: did she send him a picture that day?
• 23:56
  Speaker 11: She did?
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: Of what?
• 23:58
  Speaker 11: She sent? A picture of her exposed breasts? And did
• 24:00
  Speaker 11: he send any pictures to her? He did? He send
• 24:02
  Speaker 11: a picture of his exposed direct penis.
• 24:05
  Speaker 13: Now we talked a little bit about these computers. Have
• 24:06
  Speaker 13: you guys done examinations on these computers we have? Are
• 24:09
  Speaker 13: you finished with your examination of these computers?
• 24:11
  Speaker 11: Though we've only scratched the surface.
• 24:13
  Speaker 13: Now, based upon you review these computers and other devices
• 24:16
  Speaker 13: that he's had contact with, is it obvious that he
• 24:18
  Speaker 13: has deleted some of the things from cross referencing these
• 24:21
  Speaker 13: computers and phones and items. Yes, Now I'm going to
• 24:23
  Speaker 13: turn your attention again, Like you've said, motive as to
• 24:26
  Speaker 13: his marital status issues he's having in his state of mind.
• 24:28
  Speaker 13: Did the wife tell you anything they were having any
• 24:31
  Speaker 13: problems in their marriage?
• 24:32
  Speaker 11: Leannas stated that they're having intimacy problems.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: I guess they are with your husband sexting all these women,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: sending photos of his genitals to underage girls, I guess
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: there are problems. To doctor Julie Silva, clinical forensic psychologists
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: joining us, Doctor Silva, it's hard for me to fathom
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: blaming your child for a marital problem, much less hurting
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: your child because you want out of the marriage.
• 25:01
  Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, I think what happens a lot of
• 25:06
  Speaker 12: times in you know, relationship issues, especially when they're when
• 25:10
  Speaker 12: they're having a kind of problem, is that they're so
• 25:16
  Speaker 12: into their own problems and they're so into what's going
• 25:21
  Speaker 12: on internally with them, that the children just become kind
• 25:24
  Speaker 12: of this tool to use to help them advance themselves
• 25:29
  Speaker 12: in whichever way they want in the relationship, which is
• 25:31
  Speaker 12: really a hard thing to wrap your head around if
• 25:34
  Speaker 12: you are a parent. They they don't have at some point,
• 25:38
  Speaker 12: they don't have the ability to put themselves in the
• 25:40
  Speaker 12: child's shoes and understand what the child is going through,
• 25:44
  Speaker 12: but rather use the child as a means to get
• 25:46
  Speaker 12: what they want, you know, turning the child against the
• 25:48
  Speaker 12: other parent, or just using the child, you know, to
• 25:54
  Speaker 12: encant what they want to happen in the relationship. You know,
• 26:01
  Speaker 12: just another piece of this. The forgotten baby syndrome is
• 26:04
  Speaker 12: a syndrome because there are an average thirty eight deaths
• 26:07
  Speaker 12: a year that happened to babies because of parents leaving
• 26:13
  Speaker 12: their child in a hot car, and it's happening like
• 26:16
  Speaker 12: an average of thirty eight times a year, and this
• 26:18
  Speaker 12: is one of them.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: The hard time I have with this is the.
• 26:22
  Speaker 12: Short amount of time, the thirty seconds where he claims
• 26:26
  Speaker 12: to have forgotten to make the turn to daycare. What
• 26:29
  Speaker 12: happens with forgotten baby syndrome is that there's a part
• 26:32
  Speaker 12: of your brain that controls for habits, so you know
• 26:34
  Speaker 12: when you're driving to work or if you have to
• 26:37
  Speaker 12: If you're driving to work every single day, that's just
• 26:39
  Speaker 12: the habit. You're not thinking about it. So if you
• 26:41
  Speaker 12: have to pull over to get gass, you might forget
• 26:44
  Speaker 12: to do that because you're habitually. Driving to work is
• 26:46
  Speaker 12: a part of the brain that controls for habit where
• 26:48
  Speaker 12: you don't have to think to do something. You don't
• 26:51
  Speaker 12: have to think when you brush your teeth, you don't
• 26:52
  Speaker 12: have to think when you back out of the driver
• 26:54
  Speaker 12: when you're driving to work, you don't have to actually
• 26:57
  Speaker 12: think and make any decisions because it frees up the
• 27:00
  Speaker 12: part of the brain, the decision making part of the brain,
• 27:02
  Speaker 12: to think about other things you have to do. With
• 27:04
  Speaker 12: forgotten baby syndrome, what happens in a lot of these
• 27:07
  Speaker 12: cases is that people are habitually going through the motions
• 27:10
  Speaker 12: and then don't think that the baby is in the
• 27:14
  Speaker 12: back of the car because they're in kind of a fog.
• 27:16
  Speaker 12: They're just going through the motion. And sometimes what happens
• 27:20
  Speaker 12: is if you are doing something in your routine that
• 27:24
  Speaker 12: vh from the normal routine, like stopping for breakfast, like
• 27:28
  Speaker 12: stopping for a cup of coffee, like getting gas, you'd
• 27:31
  Speaker 12: be more likely to have forgotten baby syndrome, which is
• 27:34
  Speaker 12: what I'm guessing is what he is, you know, arguing
• 27:37
  Speaker 12: in his case for the hard time I have with
• 27:40
  Speaker 12: it is that it's only thirty thirty seconds or a
• 27:42
  Speaker 12: minute where he would his brain would have snapped into
• 27:44
  Speaker 12: this habit where he would have forgotten about it. So
• 27:49
  Speaker 12: you know that that's the hard and also the fact
• 27:51
  Speaker 12: that he was looking at the video the day before,
• 27:53
  Speaker 12: you know, a couple of days before, and the sex thing.
• 27:58
  Speaker 12: You know, his mind was just totally preoccupied something else.
• 28:01
  Speaker 12: So forgotten baby syndrome is a real thing, and a
• 28:03
  Speaker 12: lot of these parents are not convicted because of forgotten
• 28:07
  Speaker 12: baby syndrome.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: In twenty eighteen alone, fifty two babies, fifty two children
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: died of the hot car syndrome. You know, he could
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: argue hot car syndrome, But the Google searches that he
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: performed just before baby Cooper's death reveal a different story
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I've never ever accept in relation to this case. Looked
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: up how many children die in hot cars? How long
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: does it take to die in a hot car? Videos
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: explaining hot car death. Not only that, when mom goes
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: to pick up baby Cooper at daycare and they say
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: he's not here, he was never brought here. One of
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: the first things she said was, oh, no, I hope
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Justin didn't leave him in the car, So obviously that
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: was something that they had discussed. Take a listen to this.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Take a listen to what happened regarding the stench in
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: that car when Daddy gets back in and then makes
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: his way to a movie. Take a listen.
• 29:10
  Speaker 13: Did he approached the car at any point at the scene?
• 29:13
  Speaker 11: He did?
• 29:14
  Speaker 13: About how long after the defendant had pulled.
• 29:16
  Speaker 11: Over over an hour?
• 29:18
  Speaker 13: And when he approached the car and stuck his headed
• 29:20
  Speaker 13: did he stick his head in?
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: He did?
• 29:22
  Speaker 11: When he did that.
• 29:23
  Speaker 13: Was there anything of note that he noticed an hour
• 29:25
  Speaker 13: and twenty minutes after with the door open.
• 29:26
  Speaker 11: Yeah, there was a file order or a stench coming
• 29:29
  Speaker 11: from the vehicle.
• 29:30
  Speaker 13: Now, did you actually access that vehicle later as well?
• 29:33
  Speaker 11: I did?
• 29:33
  Speaker 13: And why did you do that?
• 29:34
  Speaker 11: We executed search Warren that vehicle later on that.
• 29:36
  Speaker 13: Night when you executed that search warrant and you went
• 29:39
  Speaker 13: inside that vehicle hours later, did you notice anything?
• 29:42
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it smelled like it was a foul order.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace justin Ross Harris too busy.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: So a sixteen year old girl to remember his top
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: boy was in the car the whole time, the whole
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: day he's at work and the air conditioned sexting various women,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: including a sixteen year old girl. What a jury convicts him,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: but the Georgia Supreme Court decides, eh, the jury should
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: never have heard about the sexting.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Uh, okay, that's bs. What more do we know?
• 30:28
  Speaker 13: Would it have been a painful death?
• 30:29
  Speaker 11: Yes?
• 30:30
  Speaker 13: Did you notice any? Were there any injuries to the
• 30:32
  Speaker 13: child's face?
• 30:33
  Speaker 11: There were? And what were those?
• 30:34
  Speaker 14: The ways explained There were several marks on the child's face.
• 30:40
  Speaker 14: It would have come from the child or a scratch
• 30:43
  Speaker 14: being made while the child was alive and then not healing,
• 30:47
  Speaker 14: not scabbing older over or anything like that. And just
• 30:51
  Speaker 14: soon after he passed away.
• 30:53
  Speaker 13: Were there any injuries to the child back of the
• 30:54
  Speaker 13: child's head.
• 30:55
  Speaker 11: Yes, there were home abrasions to the back of the childhood.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: You were hearing testimony regarding the death of baby Cooper
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Harris at the trial of dad Justin Ross Harris.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Coeper's dad.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Days and days of testimony, the father Justin Ross Harris convicted.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.
• 31:18
  Speaker 16: The court pronounces the following sentence. In the case of
• 31:20
  Speaker 16: the State of Georgia versus Justin Ross Harris, Criminal Action
• 31:24
  Speaker 16: fourteen ninety three one two four As to count one,
• 31:27
  Speaker 16: the Court imposes the sentence of as to malice murder,
• 31:32
  Speaker 16: with the jury having found the defendant guilty. Sentence of
• 31:35
  Speaker 16: the court is life to serve in confinement without parole.
• 31:39
  Speaker 16: As to count two felony murder guilty. It's vacated by
• 31:43
  Speaker 16: law due to the conviction on count one as to
• 31:47
  Speaker 16: count three felony murder disposition by the jury of guilty.
• 31:52
  Speaker 16: It is also vacated by law due to conviction on
• 31:55
  Speaker 16: count one as to count four cruelty to children in
• 31:59
  Speaker 16: the first degree. The jury having found the defendant guilty,
• 32:03
  Speaker 16: the sentence of the court is twenty years to serve
• 32:06
  Speaker 16: in confinement. This will be consecutive to count one malice
• 32:10
  Speaker 16: murder life to serve in confinement without parole.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: What that means is even after a life without parole sentence,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: he still will serve a twenty year sentence. Justin Ross
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Harris convicted for leaving his taught son in a hot
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: car to die. But I want you to hear about
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: something else he complained about.
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: Cobb County Assistant District Attorney Chuck Boring says, Ross's strange
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: behavior continues in the back of that police car, complaining
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: about everything from the cuffs, hurt to believe it or not,
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: it being too hot in the back seat.
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: Within a minute or two, if you allegedly discovering your
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: son deceased in the back of your car, you're in
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: the patrol car planning about how hot it is in
• 32:54
  Speaker 8: the back of the car that struck police as well.
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: How would you expect a grieving father who had accidentally
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: placed his child in the backseat and left him there.
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: How would you expect someone in that situation to act?
• 33:04
  Speaker 8: I think it's fair to say that there's a spectrum
• 33:06
  Speaker 8: of reactions. You can't say one person is going to
• 33:09
  Speaker 8: react a certain way.
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: And Ross Harris's behavior was out of that spectrum.
• 33:13
  Speaker 11: It was absolutely outside the norm.
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: When word spreads of Ross's arrest, an outraged public quickly
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: comes to his defense.
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: The community thought it was just a horrific tragedy, that
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: it was a horrible accident. I think a lot of
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: people can understand why the police were holding Ross.
• 33:25
  Speaker 11: Harris.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Well, those Google surgeons didn't help his case looking up
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: hot car desk just before his son dies in a
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: hot car. So even then, he's complaining when he's put
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: in the police car after yelling fu to the police
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: and becoming belligerent with them at the scene of his
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: son's the discovery of his death, he's sitting in the
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: backseat of the car and he starts complaining about how
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: hot it is. All the cops just look at each other.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, really, the irony of that.
• 33:55
  Speaker 11: Listen, we're all parents here.
• 33:56
  Speaker 15: You know, when kids get you know, that greasy food,
• 34:00
  Speaker 15: they're happy, they're jovelent, they're talking. And he's in the
• 34:04
  Speaker 15: car with his son, who's probably like, yes, I got chickile,
• 34:07
  Speaker 15: I'm drinking my juice. How do you forget that your
• 34:10
  Speaker 15: child is in the car, Nancy, And outside of that,
• 34:14
  Speaker 15: you cannot escape the Google searches of hot card death.
• 34:18
  Speaker 15: That shows intent. Now, if there was a Google search
• 34:22
  Speaker 15: of how to do a mass shooting and he left
• 34:24
  Speaker 15: his son in the car, that's a different story. But
• 34:27
  Speaker 15: the fact that you searched how to conduct a hot
• 34:30
  Speaker 15: card death, that shows your intent. You can't get around that.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Well, police say they were suspicious from the very beginning
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: when they removed his son's lifeless body from the suv.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: The child had been in the car for seven hours.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Justin Ross Harris too busy sexting a sixteen year old
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: girl to remember his top boy was in the car
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: the whole time, the whole day he's at work and
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: the air conditioned sexting various women, including a sixteen year
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: old girl.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: He was originally given a.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Life sentence for the death of baby Coeper, but in
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, the Georgia Supremes decide to overturn that
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: murder conviction, and in the last days, a Metro Atlanta
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: man accused of putting him there walks.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Free from behind bars.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: That's right, Justin Ross Harris released from making state prison. Well,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: I cannot say in good conscience that justice was served.
• 35:37
  Speaker 11: Goodbye, friend,