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Sharri | 13 November · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry, Thanks Andrew and good evening. A big
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Speaker 2: show tonight, I'll reveal how our journalism here at sky
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Speaker 2: News is under attack from pro Palestinian activists, including a
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Speaker 2: famous LOGI.
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Speaker 3: Winning TV star. I'll give you the details in a moment.
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Speaker 2: Also tonight, the Liberal Party finally dumps net zero by
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Speaker 2: twenty fifty targets. The scene is set for a political
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Speaker 2: showdown with the Albanezy government. Matt Canavan led this campaign
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Speaker 2: and he'll join me live. Plus the bombshell Epstein documents
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Speaker 2: and the vast demand for posthumous sperm retrieval in Israel.
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Speaker 3: It's a busy night. But first.
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Speaker 2: Now to something i haven't been able to share with
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Speaker 2: you over the past two months. Our journalism at sky
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Speaker 2: News is under attack from pro Palestinian activists.
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Speaker 3: Let me explain.
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Speaker 2: As you know, over the past two years, I've been
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Speaker 2: steadfast in my reporting on antisemitism and the devastating October
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Speaker 2: seven attacks. I'm very proud of the leadership sky News
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Speaker 2: has shown on this issue. Our network's reporting on anti
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Speaker 2: Semitism has been unparalleled, not just in Australia but globally.
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Speaker 2: This includes Josh Fridenberg's documentary and the clear eyed, balanced
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Speaker 2: and fair reporting of my colleagues Andrew Bolt, Chris Kenny
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Speaker 2: and Caroline Marcus, among many others. I've personally worn my
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Speaker 2: heart on my sleeve as the community I'm from has
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Speaker 2: been under siege from pro Palestinian activists, Neo Nazis and criminals.
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Speaker 3: Hired by Iran.
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Speaker 2: This has been a particularly traumatic two years, but we've soldiered.
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Speaker 3: On night after night. So it was deeply.
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Speaker 2: Disturbing to be told two months ago that a group
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Speaker 2: of pro Palestinian activists had lodged a formal complaint with
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Speaker 2: the Australian Human Rights Commission about my reporting in the
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Speaker 2: wake of the October seven attacks. It related to my
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Speaker 2: Sky News program from October twenty twenty three until December
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, literally right after the Hamas attacks.
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Speaker 3: Now we were informed.
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Speaker 2: Yesterday by the Human Rights Commission that they had terminated
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Speaker 2: the complaint by the pro Palestinian activists. Now I haven't
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Speaker 2: mentioned any of this publicly because I respected the confidential
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Speaker 2: process of the Human Rights Commission.
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Speaker 3: Two things have changed.
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Speaker 2: Firstly, the complaint has been terminated and the Human Rights
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Speaker 2: Commission process is finished. Secondly, we received questions from the
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Speaker 2: Sydney Morning Herald today about this, and they published an
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Speaker 2: article this evening. I can only assume that someone from
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Speaker 2: the opposing side has decided to provide material that we
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Speaker 2: considered confidential to the Herald, which then formed the basis
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Speaker 2: of their article. So, because this is now in the
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Speaker 2: public domain, I'm going to address it now.
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Speaker 3: The first name listed on.
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Speaker 2: The complaint is Nasa Mashni, the second is Peter Slezak,
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Speaker 2: and the third Claudia Carvin, the actress.
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Speaker 3: The rest are.
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Speaker 2: Anonymous, but despite Claudia Carvan being the central subject of
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Speaker 2: the Herald's article, the Commission never accepted her complaint.
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Speaker 3: The email from.
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Speaker 2: The Human Rights Commission to us on the twenty fifth
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Speaker 2: of August, when we were first notified about the complaint,
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Speaker 2: states the complaint sought to name eleven complainants. However, the
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Speaker 2: Assessment Delegate has formed THEE that the claims on behalf
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Speaker 2: of Claudia Carbon and Marine do not meet the requirements
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Speaker 2: of a valid complaint under Section forty six p of
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Speaker 2: the AHRCA, as it is unclear how they are a
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Speaker 2: person aggrieved by the alleged conduct. Now, I told the
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Speaker 2: journalist at the Herald this today, but somehow it was
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Speaker 2: ignored and Claudia Carbon remains the central focus of the article.
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Speaker 2: But the Human Rights Commission deemed it to be unclear
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Speaker 2: how Claudia Carbon could be aggrieved by my reporting on
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Speaker 2: the Hermas attacks and anti Semitism right after October seven,
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. So let's turn now to the first complainant,
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Speaker 2: Nasa Mashni. At a rally in Melbourne in May twenty eighteen,
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Speaker 2: Mashnie called some Jews filth and said that only the
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Speaker 2: Jewish attendees who were anti Israel were re juice.
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Speaker 4: In particular, we'd also like to thank members of the
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Speaker 4: Jewish community have standing there.
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Speaker 5: With us today.
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Speaker 6: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Could bring the real juice, not the film.
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Speaker 5: We're not over there.
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Speaker 3: Let's just hear that key line again. Could bring the.
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Speaker 1: Real juice, not the film.
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Speaker 7: We're not over.
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Speaker 3: There, not that filth over there.
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Speaker 2: He also sent a tweet where he called Zionists filthy.
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Speaker 2: He wrote, if you had an ounce of humanity or
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Speaker 2: self respect, you'd realize that being called a Zio is
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Speaker 2: the most derogatory, insult imaginable. But then again, filthy Zios
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Speaker 2: like you have no self respect. The racist imagery of
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Speaker 2: Jews as dirty, vermin as filthy is an infamous feature
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Speaker 2: of Nazi propaganda. Then, more recently, Mashnie was fear that
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Speaker 2: the Albanzy government had condemned her Maussa's violence against Jews.
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Speaker 4: I've never felt so alone when our prime minister condemned
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Speaker 4: Palestinean violence.
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Speaker 1: From the river to say.
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Speaker 2: This is someone who was angry at the Albanese government
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Speaker 2: for condemning terror attacks against Jews in several high profile
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Speaker 2: media appearances. He also either couldn't bring himself to call
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Speaker 2: hamas a terror group or unequivocally condemn the October seven attacks.
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Speaker 3: Here he was just recently on Piers Morgan.
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Speaker 8: Would you categorize October the seventh as an active resistance?
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Speaker 4: I would classify Palestine's having a right to fight against
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Speaker 4: their oppresses.
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Speaker 1: Now that that wasn't the question, it was.
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Speaker 8: It was what happened on October the seventh, two years ago,
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Speaker 8: an active resistance.
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Speaker 4: Palestinians rose up and resisted Israeli impression.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is my problem.
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Speaker 8: It wasn't an active resistance, it was an active to
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Speaker 8: speakable terrorism. So I absolutely condemn kidnapped holocaust victims being kidnapped,
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Speaker 8: people being tortured, set on fire homes.
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Speaker 4: We live in this world where nothing can justify October seven,
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Speaker 4: Yet October seven justifies everything.
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Speaker 2: And then this was his appearance on the show Q
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Speaker 2: and A two years ago.
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Speaker 6: Do you think HERMS is a terror organization?
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Speaker 4: You cannot bring yourself to condemn HERMAS, Patricia, if you
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Speaker 4: went back to my interviews after sixteen I've done interviews
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Speaker 4: what I have so because you.
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Speaker 6: Don't want to be I just want to get some
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Speaker 6: clarity here because you don't want to be on what
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Speaker 6: you call them area around.
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Speaker 3: I don't want to.
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Speaker 4: I don't want to take I don't want to. I
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Speaker 4: don't I can't accept a narrative where I'm getting lectured
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Speaker 4: by a lawyer on what is Isn't it just what
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Speaker 4: is standard?
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Speaker 3: That you would anyone would condemn an attack on.
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Speaker 4: Civille I condemned the attack. I condemn an attack on
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Speaker 4: any civilian, whether that the death is by a mass
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Speaker 4: gunman or an air force. Polydrop from the question.
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Speaker 3: It's about the hamask government, so listen.
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Speaker 6: By having to raise other things, what it does is
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Speaker 6: you make it generalized when a specific question is asked.
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Speaker 4: Patricia The challenge as Palestinians is that it doesn't matter
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Speaker 4: how much we condemn what we've condemned who we condemned,
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Speaker 4: we still get demonized, to humanized smeared for our own deaths.
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Speaker 2: So this is an individual who has called some Jews filth,
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Speaker 2: has been angry at the Albanese government for condemning Harmasa's violence,
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Speaker 2: and has refused to specifically condemn the October seven attacks.
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Speaker 3: It is abhorrent that an individual who has.
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Speaker 2: Called some Jews filth and has refused to specifically condemn
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Speaker 2: October seven as terrorism would pursue me, Australia's only Jewish
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Speaker 2: nightly television host, over my coverage of anti Semitism and
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Speaker 2: the Harmas attacks, and those who stand alongside him should
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Speaker 2: be ashamed. Now the Sydney Morning Herald reports this evening
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Speaker 2: that there are four complaints against News Corp.
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Speaker 3: But that was news to us.
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Speaker 2: We had only received from the Human Rights Commission the
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Speaker 2: one complaint about me. We knew nothing of the other
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Speaker 2: three prior to being contacted by the Herald today. Now
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Speaker 2: I am pleased the Human Rights Commission has rightly terminated
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Speaker 2: this vexatious complaint by these pro Palestinian activists against me.
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Speaker 2: I will not be intimidated or silenced. I'll continue to
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Speaker 2: stand up for what's right, and that's an enormous.
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Speaker 3: Thanks to the support of Sky News.
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Speaker 2: Now the Liberal Party has today dumped net zero by
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Speaker 2: twenty fifty targets and they'll now take the fight up
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Speaker 2: to the Albany government. They have kept an aspirational net
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Speaker 2: zero goal without a time frame, but abolished the legislatid
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Speaker 2: binding twenty fifty target, So the policy difference is now there.
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Speaker 2: There can now be a genuine debate between the two
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Speaker 2: parties and the coalition will launch an attack on the
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Speaker 2: billions of dollars the Albanezy government is spending on its
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Speaker 2: renewable agenda, a program that's pushing up energy prices. Now,
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Speaker 2: this policy took six months, an arduous and drawn out process,
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Speaker 2: but Opposition leader Susan Lee explained the policy today at
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Speaker 2: the press conference.
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Speaker 7: We will have an energy and emissions policy driven by
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Speaker 7: two key objectives, affordable, reliable power and responsible emissions reductions.
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Speaker 2: Now, moderates I spoke to today said that they felt
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Speaker 2: this was a good outcome, staying in the Paris Agreement
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Speaker 2: with a commitment to net zero and the focus will
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Speaker 2: now be on power prices. Electricity bills have been going
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Speaker 2: up by nine percent in some parts of the country,
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Speaker 2: up to forty percent in other areas.
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Speaker 3: Now, this was already a.
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Speaker 2: Sole point back in twenty twenty two, and as you know,
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister in that election campaign repeatedly promised to
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Speaker 2: bring down bills by two hundred and seventy five dollars. Instead,
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Speaker 2: prices have only increased since then, and this is going
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Speaker 2: to be the focus of the coalition's campaign.
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Speaker 7: Labour went to two elections promising you that they would
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Speaker 7: deliver cheaper electricity. Anthony Albanezi lied to Australians when he
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Speaker 7: said he had a plan for cheaper power prices. And
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Speaker 7: every bill, every month, every quarter is a reminder of
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Speaker 7: that lie. Prime Minister, When are the bills coming down?
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Speaker 2: Senior Labour figure Cameron Milner has suggested that the coalition
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Speaker 2: slogan should be net zero isn't zero cost and he
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Speaker 2: writes that Labor is benefiting from the group think on
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Speaker 2: climate with no challenge from the opposition. He says, in
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Speaker 2: the midst of a rolling cost of living crisis, rising
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Speaker 2: inflation and rising unemployment, voters might like to hear a
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Speaker 2: difference of opinion climate action, but not at any cost.
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Speaker 2: Could be the liberals new pitch to voters. The Liberals
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Speaker 2: might love to hate Paul Keating, but at twenty four
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Speaker 2: percent primary vote, they should heed his advice and throw
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Speaker 2: the switch to Vaudeville. But we saw today the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister's already on the attack, calling the coalition a clown
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Speaker 2: show and divide it.
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Speaker 9: This was a sign of opposition to Susan Lay's leadership
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Speaker 9: and it was a rather extraordinary moment and the pitches
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Speaker 9: was very deliberate for Poopa to gather beforehand information information
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Speaker 9: in order to send that message. And that message was
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Speaker 9: surely received, not so much by the party room because
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Speaker 9: that's a matter for them, their clown show that they've become.
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Speaker 9: It was a sign of the for the Australian people
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Speaker 9: of how divided they are.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: While the majority of moderates are pleased with this outcome,
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Speaker 2: there are some that are disappointed.
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Speaker 3: They are arguing privately that.
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Speaker 2: It might not be possible to win back the Teal
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Speaker 2: seats without committing to net zero by twenty fifty, and
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Speaker 2: it will make it more difficult. But it is worth
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Speaker 2: noting that even without the commitment, or even with the
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Speaker 2: commitment to net zero, voters have walked away from the
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Speaker 2: Liberals in these seats. Australians and the Teal electorates ultimately
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Speaker 2: did not believe the Coalition was serious on climate action,
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Speaker 2: even with the targets, and research shows that even in
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Speaker 2: the wealthiest electorates held by the Teals, the top priority
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Speaker 2: for voters is the cost of living. The real question
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Speaker 2: now is whether the current crop of Coalition politicians will
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Speaker 2: be able to successfully prosecute the case against net zero.
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Speaker 2: It's high risk, it's yet to be seen. But at
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Speaker 2: least this withering and hand ringing over energy policy is
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Speaker 2: finally over.
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Speaker 3: And let's bring in now the man who led the.
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Speaker 2: Way for the Coalition on this National Senator Matt Canavan
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Speaker 2: and former Liberal Senator Holly Hughes. Great to see you both. So, Matt,
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Speaker 2: you led this campaign. You were the first in the Coalition,
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Speaker 2: to first in the Nationals to come out so strongly.
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Speaker 2: And it's funny because you always say that you can
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Speaker 2: be more effective on the backbench. Well you've shown that
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Speaker 2: to be true. How do you feel tonight, Look, I.
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Speaker 10: Feel like the Australian people might finally get a break.
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Speaker 1: So that's what I'm happy about.
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Speaker 10: Before I get to that, I do want to say, Sharia,
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Speaker 10: think of the nation's most fearless journalist.
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Speaker 1: I've been on the receiving end of.
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Speaker 10: Your fearlessness and sometimes we disagree too, but it's a
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Speaker 10: great thing, and I think it's very very sad that
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Speaker 10: people are seeking to litigate disputes through courts rather than
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Speaker 10: respectful debates.
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Speaker 1: So you handle it very well.
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Speaker 3: Thank you that I appreciate.
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Speaker 10: And look, as I say, I've been at this fight
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Speaker 10: for four years now because I was convinced that NED
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Speaker 10: zero would only do one thing, or maybe two things.
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Speaker 10: It would make most Australians poorer, and it would enrich
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Speaker 10: a small, self entitled group of already rich people, primarily
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Speaker 10: who make a lot of money out of advising and
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Speaker 10: of consulting, out of investing in climate related programs. Now
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Speaker 10: I believe what I predicted four years ago has come true.
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Speaker 10: Since we sign up to the net zero, we've had
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Speaker 10: a forty percent increase in energy prices, We've seen seven
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Speaker 10: thousand manufacturing jobs go offshore, we've lost entire industries, and yes,
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Speaker 10: this coterie of climate change hangers on are doing very
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Speaker 10: very well, but the rest of.
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Speaker 1: The country is being left behind.
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Speaker 10: So I think it's about time we stop trying to
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Speaker 10: obsess over cutting emissions and instead cut the Australian people
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Speaker 10: at break. And I welcome the decision today. I think
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Speaker 10: Susan was excellent in the press conference. We've already had
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Speaker 10: some initial discussions with my liberal colleagues and I think
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Speaker 10: our relationship will be stronger after this.
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Speaker 1: It'll be better. We're going to take up the fight
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Speaker 1: and that will give us a fighting chance.
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Speaker 2: Holly, what did you think of the outcome today? And
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Speaker 2: while you were in the center right faction, you do
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Speaker 2: have friends across the political spectrum.
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Speaker 3: How are some of the moderates feeling about this?
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Speaker 6: Well, I haven't spoken to them. Say, Matt, you are
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Speaker 6: one of the few, and you know this, one of
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Speaker 6: the few people I actually miss working with. I absolutely
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Speaker 6: adored working It's a love tonight.
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Speaker 1: This is great. I'm looking forward to going to your
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Speaker 1: pub now.
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Speaker 6: When you just started your sentence with I feel like
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Speaker 6: I thought you were going to say A two is
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Speaker 6: and I can help. But look, Matt and I have
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Speaker 6: worked on a lot of issues together. You know everything
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Speaker 6: from the ridiculousness around the vaping laws. We've worked together
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Speaker 6: on Transmission Tuesday, which was the speeches we used to
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Speaker 6: make every Tuesday on the Senate about the obscene cost
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Speaker 6: that was coming down the pipeline for the Australian people
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Speaker 6: with this ridiculous rewiring the nation. Matt has been extraordinary
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Speaker 6: in the way that he has absolutely argued for this
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Speaker 6: and always argued for it in a very intelligent way,
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Speaker 6: without the hysterics that unfortunately some of his colleagues are
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Speaker 6: too busy chasing a headline rather than putting policies substance
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Speaker 6: behind it.
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Speaker 11: I agree with Matt.
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Speaker 6: I think Susan's press conference was very very good. She
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Speaker 6: needs a good team behind her out there selling this
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Speaker 6: message personally. You know, you talk about the Tills seat.
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Speaker 6: I used to look after the Hunter region. Obviously Ross
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Speaker 6: Cadell is up there with the NATS now, but if
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Speaker 6: you look at those seats and Dan Rapacoli, the current
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Speaker 6: Labor member for Hunter, has already sort of come out
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Speaker 6: saying well, I've kind of welcome new coal fire power stations.
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Speaker 6: We should be looking at Helly coal fire, We should
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Speaker 6: be looking at what we need to do to secure
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Speaker 6: the future of energy, affordable energy for all Australians in
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Speaker 6: this country. And you know, I'm back living in the bush.
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Speaker 6: I've probably spent fifty percent of my life overall in
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Speaker 6: the bush. And let me tell you, these renewable projects
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Speaker 6: are destroying communities. And in New South Wales there's no
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Speaker 6: legislation about how close they can get to people's houses.
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Speaker 6: So we're looking at wind turbines being put around three
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Speaker 6: hundred meters from people's houses. It is disgusting, it is disgraceful.
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Speaker 6: And I hope now the naysay is against Susan can
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Speaker 6: see how she's actually bought a party that was pretty
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Speaker 6: divided on this topic really quite together. Those participating in
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Speaker 6: performative art. Perhaps they might liken' I think a little bit.
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Speaker 2: I think her leadership is another question. But Mada, I
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Speaker 2: want to stick on net zero. You've tweeted some figures
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Speaker 2: from the International Energy Agency which basically say that despite countries'
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Speaker 2: stated policies on cutting emission.
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Speaker 3: The demand for oil continues to grow.
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Speaker 2: Maybe we can show that graph, but clearly there is
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Speaker 2: still this reliance on fossil fuels.
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Speaker 10: Look, there's a major report out today, tan your report
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Speaker 10: from the International Energy agency, and what they've done here
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Speaker 10: is actually estimate what is happening, rather than what just
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Speaker 10: countries say is going to happen. And I always think
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Speaker 10: it's best to those people and what they do, not
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Speaker 10: what they say, and what is actually happening. As the
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Speaker 10: IA of outline today is that oil and gastamant continues
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Speaker 10: to grow massively. They're saying it will continue to be
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Speaker 10: growing in twenty fifty. It's not even going to peak
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Speaker 10: before twenty to fifty, and so the idea we'll get
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Speaker 10: to new zero is just dead in the water based
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Speaker 10: on these figures. The other aspect is even coal coal
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Speaker 10: is expected to peak at the end of this decade,
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Speaker 10: but we'll still be using The world will still be
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Speaker 10: using just under five billion tons of coal a year
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Speaker 10: in twenty fifty, reproduce about four to fifty million tons.
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Speaker 10: So look, what the rest of the world is focused
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Speaker 10: on is on their development, on making sure that the
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Speaker 10: seven hundred million people who don't have access to electricity
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Speaker 10: get access to.
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Speaker 1: A light bulb, and that's what's driving this growth.
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Speaker 10: And so we can sit back here and punish our
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Speaker 10: own industry, punish our own economy, punish Australian families, or
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Speaker 10: we can make sensible decisions that, yes, still look to
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Speaker 10: reduce our missions, but don't do so in a way
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Speaker 10: that bankrupts our country.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly, Holly raised the point. And I've been speaking
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Speaker 2: about it all week about how you're going to sell
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Speaker 2: this when you're up against such a massive scare campaign
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Speaker 2: that will be coming from the Government, the Teals, the Greens,
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Speaker 2: the renewable industry lobby.
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Speaker 3: How do you do well.
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Speaker 1: I think Australians love an underdog.
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Speaker 10: There's no doubt we're underdog's right, There's no doubt we've
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Speaker 10: taken on a massive endeavor. This is the political equivalent
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Speaker 10: of the hiking Mount Everest. Yes, we're facing opposition from
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Speaker 10: big unions, big academia, big business, most of the media.
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Speaker 10: They're all going to come at us, right, But I
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Speaker 10: have faith because we're on the side of this train.
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Speaker 10: People like the Prime Minister today. Yeah, big unions as
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Speaker 10: well well, something if they probably won't say anything, Holly,
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Speaker 10: probably quietly behind the scenes, but.
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Speaker 1: That's the Primeister today.
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Speaker 10: His main argument against dropping at zero was because some
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Speaker 10: countries would be upset with us if we did. Now
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Speaker 10: called me old fashioned, but I think we should decide
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Speaker 10: our policies in this country based on how good they
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Speaker 10: are for the strained people, not based on what people
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Speaker 10: overseas think about us like i'd like them to like us.
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Speaker 1: I want to try and be a good person, a
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Speaker 1: good guy, a good nation.
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Speaker 10: But ultimately our Prime Minister should be making decisions on
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Speaker 10: what is best for these trained people. And it's clearly
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Speaker 10: right now, and it's clear right now that netzera is
22:20
Speaker 10: not good for these Traine people because we're losing our jobs,
22:23
Speaker 10: we're losing our wealth, we're losing our confidence. I think
22:26
Speaker 10: we're losing our pride as a country because we just
22:29
Speaker 10: can't seem to get anything right anymore.
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Speaker 2: Paul Kelly on the show last week suggested that you
22:33
Speaker 2: would be the best person to front such a campaigner,
22:36
Speaker 2: and listening to you speak tonight, I think that's I.
22:38
Speaker 3: Think that's spot on. I think he's one hundred percent right.
22:41
Speaker 2: You carry the message you know you like in it
22:43
Speaker 2: to perhaps climbing Mount Everest, not to mention the fact
22:46
Speaker 2: that a lot of people die before they make it
22:48
Speaker 2: to that.
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Speaker 10: That's right, who knows. Look I'm in this. Look I'm
22:53
Speaker 10: in this because I want to make a difference. For people,
22:55
Speaker 10: and I get very frustrated the constant conversation about how
22:57
Speaker 10: were going to win seats and all that.
22:59
Speaker 1: Look, will will.
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Speaker 10: Win the most suits if we have the best policies
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Speaker 10: for strand people and we argue for.
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Speaker 1: That, and the rest will take care of itself.
23:07
Speaker 2: Before we go, let's turn to the bombshell Epstein documents
23:11
Speaker 2: that were released today. Now, this was by the Democrats.
23:14
Speaker 2: They released a series of emails. In one of them,
23:19
Speaker 2: Trump said that he never asked, sorry that he did
23:22
Speaker 2: ask Epstein to resign as a member of marri A Lago,
23:26
Speaker 2: and it claims that he knew about the girls and
23:29
Speaker 2: he asked Gilaine to stop. So this is referring to
23:33
Speaker 2: Trump asking Epstein to resign from mar A Lago. Then,
23:36
Speaker 2: in another email, Epstein allegedly wrote of an unnamed victim
23:41
Speaker 2: that he spent hours at Epstein's house with this victim. Now,
23:46
Speaker 2: the New York Post reports that that victim is Virginia Goofrey,
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Speaker 2: who has said before her death that she witnessed no
23:54
Speaker 2: wrongdoing from Trump. Now, Holly, I want to get your
23:57
Speaker 2: view on this, because clearly the media has focused on Trump,
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Speaker 2: even though there was also correspondence about former President Bill
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Speaker 2: Clinton and also the journalist Michael Wolfe. But is this
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Speaker 2: part of a part as an attack or do you
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Speaker 2: think the White House is coming under pressure here?
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Speaker 6: I don't think the White House is coming under any
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Speaker 6: pressure whatsoever when it comes to this. And Virginia Gapray's
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Speaker 6: book actually spells out very very clearly that she never
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Speaker 6: ever witnessed anything that Trump did that was inappropriate or
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Speaker 6: in any way involved in it. I've actually been listening
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Speaker 6: to a podcast in my many drives up and down
24:32
Speaker 6: between Sydney and the pub around. It was actually leading
24:36
Speaker 6: up to the Glame Maxwell trials this time, and it
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Speaker 6: really did shine a light on how dishonest Epstein was,
24:43
Speaker 6: how manipulative Epstein was, and how he used his relationships
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Speaker 6: with different people to sell different messages at different times.
24:53
Speaker 6: And to be honest, though, I think if there was
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Speaker 6: any substance to this, if there was any basis to this,
24:59
Speaker 6: the Democrats had this when Biden was in office. If
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Speaker 6: there was anything there they could have significantly dropped, they
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Speaker 6: would have done it post primaries before the general election.
25:09
Speaker 6: This is absolutely clutching.
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Speaker 11: It strue as they've just been.
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Speaker 6: Humiliated with the shutdown and how Trump's managed to get
25:16
Speaker 6: on top of that, and they know that Trump has
25:19
Speaker 6: had significant international degrees. So I don't think the White
25:22
Speaker 6: House is worried about it. I think Caroline Levett's been
25:24
Speaker 6: doing a sensational job. And I think if the Democrats
25:27
Speaker 6: actually had anything, they've dumped it earlier. And if you
25:31
Speaker 6: listen to some of these podcasts, if and some of
25:34
Speaker 6: these documentaries running around it, I'd been more nervous as
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Speaker 6: a Democrat and what some of their former luminaries have
25:43
Speaker 6: to be worried about.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well, yeah, in your drive up to
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Speaker 2: the pub two hours or so, I'm sure you've been
25:50
Speaker 2: listening to a lot more hours to the.
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Speaker 1: Part I believe you're not listening to the ABC.
25:54
Speaker 6: Hell, I got my road rage incident. I mean I
25:59
Speaker 6: feel that, all right, blush tonight.
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Speaker 3: All right, Holly Hughes.
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Speaker 2: Great to see you, Matt, and such a treat to
26:06
Speaker 2: have you here in Sydney. Thank you so much. All right, Well,
26:10
Speaker 2: for more on today's decision on net zero, let's bring
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Speaker 2: in LLENP and P Garth. Hamilton Garth, thank you for
26:16
Speaker 2: your time.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: I saw you as part of the large group of
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Speaker 2: conservatives who walked into the party room yesterday. This was
26:25
Speaker 2: obviously a decision made in advance. What statement were you making.
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Speaker 12: We were simply together, we're on our way to I think,
26:33
Speaker 12: do something very important for the nation, and we all
26:36
Speaker 12: felt the occasion, we all felt how important it was.
26:39
Speaker 12: I think the prime ministers tried to make a huge,
26:40
Speaker 12: big thing about it, but look, these are people who
26:42
Speaker 12: share beliefs, who share views, and had a goal to
26:45
Speaker 12: achieve that day and we did it. I'm quite happy
26:47
Speaker 12: to have done it together.
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Speaker 2: So it wasn't a comment about Susan Lee's leadership.
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Speaker 12: I think you're probably chasing a little bit too far
26:56
Speaker 12: into it. I think it's a comment about how many
26:58
Speaker 12: people shared our views and how many people genuinely thought
27:01
Speaker 12: that it was time for a liberal party to dumb
27:03
Speaker 12: that zero and we wanted to get together and we
27:05
Speaker 12: wanted to do that. And look, you know, the Prime
27:08
Speaker 12: Minister has made this all about politics and personal attacks.
27:11
Speaker 12: I think he should have a look at what we
27:13
Speaker 12: are representing, which is I think a movement across Australia
27:16
Speaker 12: of people who feel the same way.
27:18
Speaker 2: With a prime minister today called your side a clown show.
27:22
Speaker 2: What's your response to those comments.
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Speaker 1: Look there, he goes. I mean, just think about this.
27:29
Speaker 12: We've just changed a major policy setting for the Liberal Party,
27:33
Speaker 12: and instead of debating the policy, his shot is to
27:37
Speaker 12: call us a clown show a petty little personal attack
27:40
Speaker 12: from a petty little guy. You know, if you want
27:43
Speaker 12: to have a conversation about what net zero has been
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Speaker 12: doing to our economy, what it will do to our economy,
27:49
Speaker 12: that would have been a worthy contribution from a prime minister.
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Speaker 12: I think it shows that he's got nothing to attack
27:54
Speaker 12: us with.
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Speaker 1: I think it.
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Speaker 12: Shows that these guys are just going to do the
27:57
Speaker 12: same thing they did previously, do personal attacks, try to
28:01
Speaker 12: distract away from the actual policy issue itself. That's what
28:04
Speaker 12: we're going to get for two years.
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Speaker 2: So, Garth, you were arguing for net zero to be
28:09
Speaker 2: abolished completely. The final position kept net zero as an aspiration,
28:15
Speaker 2: but with no binding targets and no time frame. And
28:18
Speaker 2: you comfortable with where the policy landed.
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Speaker 5: Cut the legs off a horse.
28:23
Speaker 1: It hasn't going to run.
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Speaker 12: I'm pretty happy with what we've got there. It's very
28:27
Speaker 12: clear there is no power from net zero to influence
28:31
Speaker 12: Hisustralian economy anymore so in.
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Speaker 3: The party room yesterday.
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Speaker 2: I understand that every single Liberal was given a chance
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Speaker 2: to speak and took it, and it was in alphabetical order.
28:41
Speaker 2: What did you tell your colleagues in your five minutes?
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Speaker 12: Well, look, i won't speak to party room discussions, but
28:49
Speaker 12: what I've said is what I've been saying openly since
28:52
Speaker 12: twenty twenty one, where I posed mister Morrison's decision to
28:56
Speaker 12: move to net zero. I'm not questioning science. I've always
28:59
Speaker 12: questioned and the ability of a government to deliver such
29:02
Speaker 12: a wide ranging and pervasive policy setting is net zero.
29:06
Speaker 12: I mean this is an uncontrolled policy setting that's seeked
29:09
Speaker 12: into every part of Australian life. Our defense forces have
29:13
Speaker 12: to consider net zero, education, health, It is across everything.
29:18
Speaker 12: The cost is huge, and what it relies upon fundamentally
29:23
Speaker 12: is heavy government intervention at a level that no other
29:27
Speaker 12: policy accepts.
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Speaker 1: A government has.
29:29
Speaker 12: To decide on everything that we're doing, we're producing, that
29:32
Speaker 12: we're buying, that we're eating. This is not a Liberal
29:35
Speaker 12: way forward, Garth.
29:37
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of speculation about Susan Lee's future
29:41
Speaker 2: as Liberal leader. Do you think she will still be
29:44
Speaker 2: leader this time next year?
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Speaker 12: Ah?
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Speaker 5: Look, I try not to look that far.
29:50
Speaker 1: Ahead into politics. But I'll tell you what I will
29:51
Speaker 1: say about leadership today.
29:53
Speaker 12: The leadership has been gifted something by the backbench. This
29:57
Speaker 12: policy was forced through by the back bench, has been
29:59
Speaker 12: back She's like myself, Tony Passon, Henry Pike have done
30:02
Speaker 12: all the heavy lifting on this and force this through.
30:05
Speaker 12: What we want from our leadership now is to use
30:08
Speaker 12: this opportunity, Shari, Labor have a real weak spot on
30:12
Speaker 12: energy policy now. Keep trying to tell people that their
30:14
Speaker 12: energy bills are going down and they're not, and people
30:17
Speaker 12: know it, and we can attack that.
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Speaker 2: So Garth, you just said you can't look that far ahead.
30:22
Speaker 2: It's only one year. Do you think Susan will be
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Speaker 2: leader this time next year?
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Speaker 12: No, I'm not going to go into it for you today, Shari.
30:29
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I think we can't got a.
30:31
Speaker 2: Huge confidence in her leadership to say that you think
30:34
Speaker 2: she'll be still be a leader in a year's time.
30:38
Speaker 12: I'm not going to suggest anyone on that one for you, Shari.
30:41
Speaker 12: I'm going to focus on today's great outcome, which is
30:43
Speaker 12: a great policy win.
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Speaker 3: Do you want to support her as leader at the moment?
30:48
Speaker 3: Absolutely support the position in a year's time?
30:52
Speaker 12: Well, what I think we're going to be judging a
30:54
Speaker 12: leader on and I think everyone across the country and
30:57
Speaker 12: members of Parliament like myself, is how will we can
31:00
Speaker 12: prosecute this decision that we've made to dump net zero?
31:03
Speaker 12: And I think it's a good decision. I think a
31:05
Speaker 12: good leader will make a lot of ground out of this.
31:07
Speaker 2: So how well she can prosecute that case? So you're
31:10
Speaker 2: going to give her some time. I mean you've just
31:12
Speaker 2: taken credit for this policy position today, you and your
31:14
Speaker 2: mates in the backbench, So you're going to give her
31:16
Speaker 2: sometimes see how well she prosecutes the case before deciding
31:20
Speaker 2: if she retains your support.
31:22
Speaker 3: Is that right?
31:24
Speaker 12: Well, you're putting a lot of words towards me there
31:26
Speaker 12: that you want me to I think it's a bit
31:28
Speaker 12: bigger than just a one off question here. I think
31:31
Speaker 12: there's a big difference in our question on who's going
31:34
Speaker 12: to be leader and what policies are you taking forward.
31:36
Speaker 12: We've decided on a policy decision today, but I'm very
31:39
Speaker 12: very proud that we've taken on how.
31:41
Speaker 1: That impacts the leadership. That's what the future will reveal.
31:45
Speaker 2: Just finally, do you support Angus Taylor or Andrew Hasty?
31:49
Speaker 2: Is a future leader. Seeing as you're being so open tonight, I've.
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Speaker 12: Been very open and you've dug in as far as
31:56
Speaker 12: you can. But I'm sorry, I'm quite happy with where
31:58
Speaker 12: I've left that, Shari. We've got a great policy on
32:01
Speaker 12: the table and we've got to use it, all.
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Speaker 3: Right, Garth Allilton, thank you very much for your time.
32:06
Speaker 3: Very surprising. All right.
32:08
Speaker 2: Still to come, there is life after death for the
32:11
Speaker 2: wives of IDF soldiers killed in action, with more than
32:14
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty cases of posthumous sperm retrieval.
32:18
Speaker 3: Incredible story. I'll give you the details shortly.
32:21
Speaker 2: But first, Victoria's opposition leader has made a risky promise
32:24
Speaker 2: if he wins the next election, but will it come
32:27
Speaker 2: back to haunt him? Brad Baton will join me after
32:30
Speaker 2: the break, Welcome back. The Allen government has announced a
32:38
Speaker 2: raft of new measures to crack down on Victoria's crime wave,
32:42
Speaker 2: with adult time for violent crime at the center. But
32:45
Speaker 2: just to Alan couldn't say when the bill will be
32:48
Speaker 2: introduced or when it would take effect. Joining me now
32:51
Speaker 2: is Victorian opposition leader Brad Baton.
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Speaker 3: Brad, thank you very much for your time.
32:55
Speaker 2: Now you've vowed to resign as Premier if you win
32:58
Speaker 2: the next election, if crime rates don't decline by the
33:02
Speaker 2: end of your term.
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Speaker 3: Do you actually mean this, Shari?
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Speaker 13: There is nothing sure in my life that I believe honestly,
33:11
Speaker 13: the same as David Chris o'fuli, I knows put it
33:13
Speaker 13: forward up in Queensland. If you are serious and passionate,
33:16
Speaker 13: you can make change and you can reduce crime. The
33:19
Speaker 13: difference between myself and just him to Allan is she's
33:22
Speaker 13: just not serious. She's been forced to do this because appolling.
33:25
Speaker 13: She's not doing it because she wants to see change.
33:28
Speaker 13: If she was serious about making change, she would have
33:30
Speaker 13: done it after she's spoken to the victims of kids
33:33
Speaker 13: that were killed coming home from basketball, or after the
33:36
Speaker 13: fact that she should have spoken to Nat Gordon who
33:38
Speaker 13: lost her brother Ash Gordon, who was stabbed in the
33:41
Speaker 13: stabbed in his own home and killed in his own
33:43
Speaker 13: home effectively recently when the last row the last twelve months.
33:47
Speaker 13: These are the issues that Victorian's face and the government
33:49
Speaker 13: just walk away from it. I am serious. If we
33:51
Speaker 13: don't reduce crime, I'll go.
33:54
Speaker 2: Do you support the measures she's announced this week, adult
33:57
Speaker 2: time for violent crime for youth offenders.
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Speaker 13: We've always said, we've supported tougher sentencing. We've been calling
34:04
Speaker 13: for it for a long period of time. The concern
34:07
Speaker 13: we have with why the government is trying to sell
34:08
Speaker 13: this is they're trying to say that they're going to
34:10
Speaker 13: bring in life sentences for certain offenses.
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Speaker 1: Here in Victoria.
34:14
Speaker 13: The problem isn't the top end. It's not the life sentences.
34:17
Speaker 13: It's the fact that the young generation, the next generation
34:20
Speaker 13: of crooks coming through, they're going into the court system
34:23
Speaker 13: and they're getting no sentences. So we actually need to
34:26
Speaker 13: fix it at.
34:26
Speaker 1: The bottom end, not at the top end. And we
34:28
Speaker 1: know for a fact that's because.
34:30
Speaker 2: Does that mean you think you need mandatory do you
34:33
Speaker 2: think are you saying that you think we need mandatory
34:36
Speaker 2: minimum sentences.
34:39
Speaker 13: I think we need to readjust the entire justice system.
34:41
Speaker 13: I think we need to look at any options that
34:43
Speaker 13: we can to ensure that we keep the community safe.
34:46
Speaker 13: I'll only ever have one priority, and that is that
34:48
Speaker 13: if you're in your home, if you're walking down the street,
34:51
Speaker 13: if you're in your workplace, then you should be safe.
34:54
Speaker 13: That should be our absolute priority. So whatever we have
34:56
Speaker 13: to review, but that is legislative that we can make
34:59
Speaker 13: changes to ensure that that the judges understand what is
35:03
Speaker 13: expected of them from the Parliament. We are seen too
35:06
Speaker 13: often where people are getting away with zero sentencing, or
35:08
Speaker 13: we've seen with bail where they continuously get bail for
35:11
Speaker 13: violent crimes. We've said that will stop break bail. Face
35:14
Speaker 13: jail is our policy. But at the same time we
35:16
Speaker 13: need to invest in early intervention to keep these kids
35:19
Speaker 13: away from the justice system. I've seen and run the
35:21
Speaker 13: programs as a former police officer that genuinely work. I
35:25
Speaker 13: will make sure that the funding is there for those
35:27
Speaker 13: programs to keep the kids out of the system.
35:30
Speaker 2: So obviously you've got your policy on bail there. But
35:32
Speaker 2: just when you said, looking at the bottom end, so
35:34
Speaker 2: not the toughest sentences because, as you say, judges or
35:37
Speaker 2: magistrates aren't necessarily giving those sentences or penalties out. So
35:43
Speaker 2: are you speaking about mandatory minimum sentences or are there
35:47
Speaker 2: other measures that you're examining.
35:51
Speaker 13: Yeah, there'll be a whole group of measures will examine.
35:54
Speaker 13: We've had mandatory sentencing when it comes to offenses against
35:57
Speaker 13: emergency services workers and it hasn't worked. We've had ones
36:01
Speaker 13: in relation to the coward punch, and we've seen already
36:03
Speaker 13: that people negotiate out of it. But what we can do,
36:06
Speaker 13: and we've done this in the past when we're in government,
36:08
Speaker 13: is looking at the baseline sentencing, so then the courts
36:11
Speaker 13: have the expectation if the baseline is reset, then they
36:14
Speaker 13: have to abide by that baseline. But there's many other
36:17
Speaker 13: things we'll talk about between now and the election and
36:19
Speaker 13: what we can do to ensure that sentences are in
36:22
Speaker 13: line with community expectations, but more importantly about keeping the
36:25
Speaker 13: community safe.
36:27
Speaker 2: Just into Alan band masks at protests. Now she's softened
36:31
Speaker 2: her position on this. Are you concerned about this and
36:35
Speaker 2: that the same thing could happen again when it comes
36:38
Speaker 2: to tough sentences for young offenders.
36:43
Speaker 13: It's typical of this government. It's all about the media
36:45
Speaker 13: release and the headline, and we've seen that this week
36:47
Speaker 13: with what they're doing with the sentencing for youth offenders.
36:50
Speaker 13: But when you talk about masks, they actually deliberately came
36:53
Speaker 13: out and stood in front of a synagogue that had
36:56
Speaker 13: been attacked with a fire bomb attack and said band
37:00
Speaker 13: masks at protests because they were trying to win over
37:03
Speaker 13: the vote of the Jewish community. Instead of trying to
37:06
Speaker 13: win over the vote by a headline and standing in
37:08
Speaker 13: front of a synagogue to make your statement, Why don't
37:11
Speaker 13: you deliver on what you promise, and that means making
37:14
Speaker 13: sure that masks are banned when you go to protests.
37:17
Speaker 13: Ask the Victoria police who are trying to hunt down
37:20
Speaker 13: the people at the moment who have thrown rocks at
37:22
Speaker 13: Victoria police at the protests, and can't do it because
37:25
Speaker 13: those at the protests were wearing masks that they shouldn't
37:28
Speaker 13: have been able to wear if the government had living
37:30
Speaker 13: on what they promised.
37:31
Speaker 2: Hmmm, all right, Brad, pat and really appreciate you coming
37:34
Speaker 2: on the program, Thank you so much. Coming up after
37:38
Speaker 2: the break, the vast demand for posthumous sperm retrieval in
37:41
Speaker 2: Israel and the Neo Nazis unmasked. I'll speak with a
37:46
Speaker 2: federal detective about what powers police actually have to deal
37:50
Speaker 2: with these thugs.
37:51
Speaker 3: It's all coming up.
37:58
Speaker 2: Nataniel Silberg became father for the first time, with his
38:02
Speaker 2: fiancee Hada Salivi, giving birth to their son in Israel.
38:07
Speaker 2: It's a normal story except for the fact that Captain
38:10
Speaker 2: Nataniel was already dead, killed in action in Gaza in
38:14
Speaker 2: December last year. His sperm had been retrieved in a
38:17
Speaker 2: procedure called post mortem sperm retrieval, and since the start
38:22
Speaker 2: of the war, it's been performed on two hundred and
38:25
Speaker 2: fifty soldiers and twenty one civilians who've passed away. The
38:29
Speaker 2: Deputy Mayor of Jerusalem, Fleur Hassan Naum, joins me, now, Fleur, look,
38:34
Speaker 2: this is terribly sad, but it is incredible that the
38:38
Speaker 2: memories of these brave men can live on with their
38:41
Speaker 2: new babies.
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Speaker 11: Like you said, it's incredibly sad that these families want
38:49
Speaker 11: to cling on to the life. They want to make
38:51
Speaker 11: sure that there's continuity to those beautiful lives that were
38:54
Speaker 11: sacrificed in defense of their country. I also want to
38:57
Speaker 11: add that in Israel, actually our IVF and our fertility
39:02
Speaker 11: technology is very advanced, so it doesn't surprise me that
39:07
Speaker 11: the country has found a way to do this and
39:09
Speaker 11: to keep these people the legacy, to keep these people
39:13
Speaker 11: alive through this type of procedure so that these women
39:17
Speaker 11: can have these babies.
39:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's unbelievable, and I understand there's now been talked
39:22
Speaker 2: in Israel of in stating a sperm retrieval process for
39:26
Speaker 2: basically all male IDF soldiers.
39:30
Speaker 3: How would this work.
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Speaker 11: Well, this is what I was going to say. I
39:34
Speaker 11: think that there's a lot of people who do sperm
39:36
Speaker 11: retrieval before they go off to war because.
39:39
Speaker 3: You just don't know.
39:40
Speaker 11: And of course it's much less complicated to do that
39:43
Speaker 11: before the person is alive than when the person is dead.
39:47
Speaker 11: And so just like many soldiers, it's incredible. Just like
39:49
Speaker 11: many soldiers write their letters of their wishes before they
39:52
Speaker 11: go to war, many soldiers will also have the opportunity
39:56
Speaker 11: to leave to retrieve their sperm before they go to
39:59
Speaker 11: war in case thing happens. Maybe some do want and
40:02
Speaker 11: some maybe some don't want, But I think that it's
40:05
Speaker 11: wonderful to have that option for those families want to
40:08
Speaker 11: still keep a piece of that person, the dearest person
40:12
Speaker 11: in their lives with them and create lives from death.
40:17
Speaker 11: It's really incredible, no.
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Speaker 3: It is.
40:19
Speaker 2: It's really really beautiful. Of course, just so sad that
40:24
Speaker 2: these soldiers will never get to meet their babies, their
40:27
Speaker 2: sons or daughters, but it's such a beautiful and incredible
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Speaker 2: that Israel has that advanced technology. Now, just to another topic,
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Speaker 2: President Donald Trump has formerly written to Israeli President Isaac
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Speaker 2: Hertzog requesting that Prime Minister Netanyaho be pardoned of corruption charges.
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Speaker 2: Trump called him a formidable and decisive wartime prime minister,
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Speaker 2: and he says he's now leading Israel into time of peace.
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Speaker 2: He says he's facing political unjustified prosecution. Presumably Trump feels
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Speaker 2: he can relate to some of this law fair now, Flower,
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Speaker 2: this is unprecedented a president of another country. And we
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Speaker 2: did hear him make those remarks in his speech to
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Speaker 2: the Knesset.
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Speaker 3: What's the sense in Israel?
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Speaker 2: Do you think Hertzog should pardon Netta Yahoo, who we
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Speaker 2: have to say is his former political rival.
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Speaker 3: You know they're from different parties.
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Speaker 11: Yes, that's right, but they're actually friends. They actually have
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Speaker 11: a decent relationship Herzoga nataniel So also a few things. Procedurally,
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Speaker 11: it's wonderful that President Trump can recommend and can ask
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Speaker 11: a president hurt Or to do this, But procedurally, Ntaniello
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Speaker 11: Privatecytaneo has to apply for a pardon. Now, when you
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Speaker 11: apply for a pardon, essentially what's going on is that
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Speaker 11: you've admitted that you've done something wrong and you're applying
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Speaker 11: for a pardon. And the problem here is that Privacy
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Speaker 11: Detanielle has pleaded not guilty to the charges of broad
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Speaker 11: breach of trust and bribery, and so therefore he's in
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Speaker 11: a bit of a catch twenty too, because a president
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Speaker 11: can't circumvent procedure, which means that the person who's accused
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Speaker 11: asks for to be pardoned. And so it'll be interesting
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Speaker 11: to see if he does this or if he continues
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Speaker 11: primanis and now continues to fight this case. It just
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Speaker 11: beggars believe that in the middle of a war. It's
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Speaker 11: the toughest two years in our history, in the last
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Speaker 11: two years, and primary sits and now he's fighting a war,
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Speaker 11: love it or hate him, he's fighting this war as
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Speaker 11: the leader of Israel has to put a court a
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Speaker 11: few times a week to face charges which honestly, by
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Speaker 11: the day are seemingly less and less robust. The judges
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Speaker 11: in this case have already said that the bribery charge
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Speaker 11: doesn't hold any water. So what's left is broad and
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Speaker 11: breach of trust. Now ford and breach of trust. There
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Speaker 11: are serious allegations, of course, but again the evidence for
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Speaker 11: this is kind of falling apart every day that comes.
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Speaker 11: So there is an important issue that many on the
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Speaker 11: right and many of the Natsaniaho supporters believe that these trials,
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Speaker 11: these cases were politically motivated to begin with. So A,
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Speaker 11: why should he ask for pardon when he hasn't done
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Speaker 11: anything wrong? And B, you know, why should you be
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Speaker 11: facing these trials in the middle of a wall. Maybe
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Speaker 11: do them after the war, Maybe do it after he's
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Speaker 11: retired from being the prime minister. There's a lot of
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Speaker 11: open questions here.
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Speaker 2: Not fascinating topic and an unprecedented move by President Trump,
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Speaker 2: a good friend of the Israeli prime ministers. For great
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Speaker 2: to have you on the program. Thank you very much
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Speaker 2: and flur of classes the Mayor of Jerusalem. All right,
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Speaker 2: coming up, will have more on the identities of those
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Speaker 2: Neo Nazis at the rally outside Parliament House.
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Speaker 3: That's after the break. Welcome back. Well, we're learning more.
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Speaker 2: About the neo Nazis who paraded outside Parliament on the weekend.
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Speaker 2: The City Morning Herald has named and shamed several of
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Speaker 2: the attendees of the neo Nazi rally, including one who's
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Speaker 2: reportedly on a visa. Matthew Gruta moved from South Africa
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Speaker 2: with his wife three years ago. He's described as a
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Speaker 2: senior member of the New South Wales division of the
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Speaker 2: National Socialist Network.
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Speaker 3: The Herald has also.
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Speaker 2: Unmasked a train guard, an information security professional and a
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Speaker 2: former bar owner. The guard, Cooper Stevens, was stood down
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Speaker 2: by Sydney Trains today while they investigate his involvement. Let's
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Speaker 2: bring in our former Australian Federal Police Detective Superintendent David Craig.
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Speaker 3: David, great to see you again.
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Speaker 2: Tony Burker's Home Affairs Minister revoked the visa of Israeli
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Speaker 2: Minister Simka Rothman.
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Speaker 3: Should he be doing the same here?
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Speaker 5: Look, it certainly should be looked at. I mean section
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Speaker 5: follow one of the ten cause of visa to be
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Speaker 5: revoked based on character grounds or indiable offenses. So if
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Speaker 5: a criminal offense has been has occurred, a decent criminal
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Speaker 5: offense in ditable offense, then that would automatically cancel a visa,
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Speaker 5: or it could be done discretionally by Chris Burke. And
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Speaker 5: I would hope that Tony back. Sorry Tony Burke. Yes,
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Speaker 5: So that would give Tony Burke the power to cancel
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Speaker 5: the visa. The issue with this group, as it is
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Speaker 5: with Wiswood Taria, is that they are working in the
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Speaker 5: legal gray areas, so they're not triggering any actual crimes yet, Shari,
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Speaker 5: you know, if they move into terrorism, the AFP can
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Speaker 5: get involved. If they transfer their hate crime from the
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Speaker 5: street onto online environment, that's where the AFP can be involved.
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Speaker 5: The AFP can also get involved with looking at money
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Speaker 5: laundering or funding for their activities. But the primary thrust
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Speaker 5: I think the federal police should have currently is to
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Speaker 5: have this group prescribed as a terrorist organization and that
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Speaker 5: can be done through intelligence services and THEAFP to ford
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Speaker 5: information to the Attorney General.
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Speaker 2: So there is some debate about this and when I
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Speaker 2: interviewed the new South Wales Police Commissioner mal Lanyon earlier
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Speaker 2: this week, he said there should be consideration given to
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Speaker 2: whether they do meet the threshold for being prescribed as
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Speaker 2: a terrorist organization. As you say, currently there've been no arrests,
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Speaker 2: which indicates that currently the police do not think there's
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Speaker 2: criminal conduct here. Clearly, in that interview I had with
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Speaker 2: the police commissioner, I have a different view. But you
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Speaker 2: know this is up to what action the police can take.
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Speaker 2: So how could they be prescribed as a terrorist organization?
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Speaker 5: Well, what we've seen with Mike Burgess coming out and
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Speaker 5: speaking quite quite openly about these husbod Teria and also
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Speaker 5: these neo Nazi groups. It's putting everyone on notice and
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Speaker 5: they are gathering intelligence simultaneously. What I would like to
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Speaker 5: see is Chrissy Barrett to mimic that, to come out
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Speaker 5: and show some leadership. She's the first female Commissioner of
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Speaker 5: the Australian Federal Police and she's got the gall and
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Speaker 5: the go get them attitude to assemble the evidence and
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Speaker 5: intelligence together with Mike Burgess and lobby the Attorney General
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Speaker 5: to have them prescribe and then we can really make
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Speaker 5: some dancing of these groups that hate.
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Speaker 2: We're also seeing reports that the neon Nazis are planning
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Speaker 2: to form a political party.
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Speaker 3: Can anything be done about this?
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Speaker 5: I think it gets very tricky when it becomes a
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Speaker 5: constitutional issue Shari. But of course anyone involved would need
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Speaker 5: to pass particular tests to be a sitting member of parliament.
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Speaker 5: Mind you, some of them sitting in there at the moment.
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Speaker 5: You just wonder how whether that test were actually applied.
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Speaker 2: Yeah so, but in terms of do you take your point,
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Speaker 2: But in terms of a political party, as far as
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Speaker 2: you're aware, there's nothing stopping them from forming a political party.
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Speaker 5: No, nothing at all. No, I mean it's an ideology.
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Speaker 5: As long as they're not a spousing violence and they're
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Speaker 5: not supporting it openly or inciting, then yeah, they can
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Speaker 5: form a political party. Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: I mean, how can that be the case?
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Speaker 2: How can we accept in Australia a neo Nazi political
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Speaker 2: party being on the ballot.
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Speaker 5: It's an absolute disgrace, Shari and it shouldn't And I'd look,
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Speaker 5: I don't think that. I think these bully boys are
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Speaker 5: walking around of their black pajamas, are having a bit
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Speaker 5: of a weekend play with themselves. They're not really any
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Speaker 5: political force. They're just sort of sucking off a little
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Speaker 5: bit of hatred out of the community because of civil unrest.
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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think they're any real threat to
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Speaker 5: national security. I think soon they go back to their
48:53
Speaker 5: little cupboards and play their war games.
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Speaker 2: That are well, they have been enjoying all the publicity
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Speaker 2: this week. They've got a telegraph channel and I know
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Speaker 2: they've been posting a lot of the clips from the
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Speaker 2: premiere in New Southwest Parliament from my program. So I
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Speaker 2: mean that's the downside of giving them publicity is they
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Speaker 2: then try and use it as.
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Speaker 3: A recruitment drive.
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Speaker 2: But you know, we have to call them out, so
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Speaker 2: I suppose it's you know, it's a difficult decision, David.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your time. Really appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: All right, Thank you so much everyone for your company
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Speaker 2: this week. I'll see you on Monday at eight o'clock.
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Speaker 2: And right now, stay tuned. Danika de Giorgio is filling
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Speaker 2: in for Paul Murray