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159. Sports Dietitian Reacts: Reddit Nutrition Advice · Eat More Carbs | A Period Recovery Podcast

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  Hey girlies, just a quick reminder before we dive into
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  today's episode. The information shared on this
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  podcast is intended to be general sports nutrition advice
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  and education related to period recovery for female athletes.
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  This is the Eat more Carbs podcast.
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  Hello and welcome back. This is the More Carbs podcast.
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  We are a team of dietitians and we talk every Thursday about
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  sports nutrition for the girlies.
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  My name is Jenna and I host this podcast.
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  And my name is Riley. You'll also see me on this
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  podcast. I am the owner and founder of
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  Steady State Performance Nutrition.
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  We specialize in helping female athletes recover from low energy
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  availability and together along with Lily Rhymer, we are team
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  steady state. Before we get into today's
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  episode, we are going to do our high and low.
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  So sharing just a a little bit about our week, the good and the
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  parts we would have gone a little bit differently.
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  As always. Riley, can you kick us off?
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  Hello. Everybody welcome back and we're
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  so excited to chat with you this week.
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  My high is that we're taking Charlie to Disney World in two
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  weeks. We do a family vacation every
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  single year with my in laws. This year we're going to Disney
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  World. So we're super excited to go to,
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  we're calling it Mickey Mouse's house in a couple of weeks and
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  we're just getting everything like prepped and prepared right
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  now. I love that you guys are calling
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  it Mickey Mouse House. That's so fun.
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  What are you looking forward to most about the trip?
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  Well, I can tell you what I'm not looking forward to the most
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  and that is the drive from North Carolina to Orlando.
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  So I'm not maybe looking forward to that, but I am so excited to
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  bring Charlie and it kind of experienced Disney through her
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  eyes. We were annual pass holders when
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  we lived in California, so we did go to Disneyland a lot.
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  So we're pretty familiar with like the Disney experience and
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  obviously, you know, world is different than land, but we are
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  really excited. To.
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  Bring her there and just kind of experience it as a kid.
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  I would say probably what we're most excited about is we're
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  doing like some character dining experiences, which is something
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  that I've never done. Seeing it through her eyes is
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  definitely like the number one thing.
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  I would assume so. That's so exciting, yeah.
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  My low is related to running. I have a race coming up very
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  soon. I have 1/2 marathon coming up.
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  A couple of weeks ago I did a like preview race.
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  I'm sure if you've ever done that, but they let you run part
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  of the course. It was actually super fun.
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  They did this like little like event.
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  It was like yoga and they had coffee and beer and I don't
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  really drink, but they had, you know, beer available because
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  it's hosted at a brewery. And then they had different
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  vendors and stuff. And it was just like a really
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  fun like community event. It was like an 8 mile section of
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  the course and the course is super hilly.
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  So it was nice to go and like just see the hills and there
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  there was a couple of like friends that were running it as
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  well. And I ended up like running with
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  one of my friends. And the low actually has to do
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  with something that happened after so with his wife.
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  And this sounds really bad so far, but basically like I said
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  right there, this was like a preview for the race.
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  So they had a bunch of different sponsors there.
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  And one of the sponsors was this recovery water.
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  You might know where I'm going with this.
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  Yes. Uh oh, right.
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  I ended up doing like 8 miles and then I did a couple more
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  miles because I needed to hit mileage for the week.
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  So I got back to the event and everybody was like standing
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  around trying this recovery water.
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  That was one of the sponsors and somebody offered me like a
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  recovery water and I asked them. I was like, what's in the water?
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  And I started listening a bunch of like random shenanigans and I
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  go, how many carbs is in it? Because I immediately have my
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  sports dietitian like lens on. And I'm like, if this is a
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  recovery water, I need fluid obviously, but I need sodium and
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  I mainly need carbohydrates because to be honest, it's
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  probably going to taste kind of funky.
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  And like if it doesn't have carbohydrates on it, I'm not
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  really wasting my time because I struggle with appetite
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  afterwards. And I'm like, I need to make
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  sure that I'm getting in my carbohydrates and making the
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  most out of what's going into my body.
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  The Rep answered back and said it has 11 grams of carbohydrates
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  in it. And I go, are you serious?
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  And everybody looked at me because everybody took it as I
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  was complaining that there was too many carbs in the water
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  because there was 11 grams of carbohydrates.
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  But in actuality, I was upset because there was only 11 grams
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  of carbs. And I just got like a lots of
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  weird looks, especially from like some of the wives of some
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  like our friends. And they were just like confused
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  because like, well, she's a dietitian.
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  And then now she's like hating on carbohydrates.
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  So it was a misunderstanding, but I didn't like I couldn't
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  explain myself. It was just so, I don't know, it
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  was just like a face palm moment where I was expecting more
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  carbohydrates. That happened so frequently in
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  the world of like running where like there's the booths or the
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  the Expo and there's always like new product.
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  The best part about this product is that it doesn't have any
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  carbohydrate in and I'm like, well, then I don't want it
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  because like that's what I'm looking for right now is how can
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  I Max maximize my carbohydrate intake before, during and then
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  after I run Because like this is the more carbs podcast.
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  Obviously we love carbohydrate here, but like that's what we're
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  looking for in terms of helping with recovery, helping with
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  performance. I know that feeling.
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  Yeah, and I just like, hate how I came off because, like, I'm
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  the biggest carb advocate there is out there and I look like a
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  carb snob. And I was like, but I was like,
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  I'm not going to go into this whole explanation like nobody is
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  ready for this right now. My high and low, it's the same
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  subject and that's my hair. I want to talk about my hair for
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  my high and low. My low is that every time I go
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  and get my hair cut I leave the salon and I'm like this is the
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  greatest haircut I have ever received in my life.
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  I love the way my hair looks. I'm so happy with getting my
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  hair cut but then I can never style the way that she cuts my
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  hair the same way that it looks when I leave the salon and I'm
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  like well now these pieces are too short and I need to tie them
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  back in order to go run. I get so frustrated because I'm
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  like, why did it look so good before I washed it and now it
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  looks absolutely horrific and I'm like, I don't know.
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  I don't know. How is that possible?
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  How can it look so good and then so bad so fast?
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  It is a phenomenon like it happens to me too when we have
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  completely different hairstyles and like haircuts, hair color
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  like it's, it's this phenomenon. I don't know what it is.
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  I also feel like when you get your haircut and they shampoo it
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  and they condition it, like you don't have to wash your hair for
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  like so long and it is just a different experience than like
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  your day-to-day these. Pieces that she cuts when she
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  cuts them up front, like they look So when she first cuts
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  them, but then the next day I'm like, what is happening?
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  My high, on the other hand, has to do with how long I can go
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  without washing my hair. Because if you know me, if
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  you've ever seen a photo of me, if you're watching the video
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  feed, you know, I have fairly long hair.
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  So a hair washing day for me is a it's a workout.
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  It is an upper body workout for me to wash my hair, blow dry my
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  hair and all of those things. I will put it off for as long as
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  I possibly can because I hate washing my hair.
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  But at the same time, I run. I live in Arizona.
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  I get very sweaty. I'm not a Unicorn.
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  I sweat when I run, I sweat when I work out.
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  So I feel like I have to wash my hair fairly frequently, which is
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  a bummer for me because I hate doing it.
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  However, I was heavily influenced to purchase a new
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  style of dry shampoo and I am obsessed with it.
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  It is way too expensive, let's just get that out of the way.
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  But it is perhaps the biggest life changing hair product I
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  have ever purchased in my life. This one is this like a spritz?
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  Like it goes on wet to your hair and it's specifically for sweaty
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  and oily hair. So like for people who might be
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  active or in really warm climates or something like that.
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  And then I don't know if you're supposed to, but I kind of blow
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  dry my hair after I put it in there and it dries like I've
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  just taken a shower. It's insane.
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  But it's the K-18 wet to dry dry shampoo or like dry shower or
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  something or other. I'll send it to you.
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  I'll link it in the podcast show notes for if there's anybody
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  listening who also wants to go an extended period of time
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  without washing your hair. It has truly changed my life
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  because I can go an extra like day or two without having washed
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  my hair. I hate washing.
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  I hate washing. One of the many burdens of life.
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  And I could go on and on about how washing my hair drives me
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  bananas. But instead, we're going to have
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  Lily Reimer, our other dietitian here at Team Steady State, on
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  the podcast today to do what drives us bananas in the world
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  of nutrition versus just what drives me bananas as a person.
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  We hope you enjoyed today's episode.
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  On today's episode, we have Riley, Lily, and myself to talk
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  about what drives us bananas, talking about the things that we
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  saw in the sports nutrition world, in the nutrition world,
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  out in the world that absolutely drove us bananas.
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  Lily, you have graciously agreed to go 1st and I'm really excited
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  to hear what you have to say because you already said you
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  were fired up this morning. Yes I'm ready, it's been on my
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  brain pretty much non-stop the past couple of days and I know
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  in the past I've been our TikTok correspondent.
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  Well I've officially switched over to Reddit.
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  Not really something I ever thought I'd say, but I have.
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  If you're listening, I actually do a Reddit Q&A every Friday on
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  a common HA recovery thread. So if you have questions and you
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  want to come hang out, please do.
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  With opening up this can of worms of presenting myself as a
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  dietitian in an HA recovery thread, I do get a lot of
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  questions. And with that we also get some
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  haters. So I completely understand that
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  there are multiple ways to go about period recovery and that
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  is what we really preach here at Steady State Performance
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  Nutrition is that one approach does not fit all.
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  And something that I have really encountered in my work on the
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  Reddit threads is that we tend to take it to the extremes when
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  it comes to period recovery. Don't want to say it's teams,
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  but whether you are a person who all in worked for you and you
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  really advocate for that or you're someone who continued
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  training in your period recovery journey, both of them work.
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  There's not a right way to do it.
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  It just depends on you and your lifestyle.
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  But we tend to have kind of extremes on either side and that
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  leads to some discourse on the threads.
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  So I just wanted to clear it up that when we say we are allowing
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  training and period recovery, we are not allowing our athletes or
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  advocate for any athlete to run themselves into the ground.
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  There is an aspect of training and period recovery that can be
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  done in a balance because when we are treating HA, we are
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  focusing on the energy balance equation.
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  Energy out, of course, comes out more in training.
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  Energy in is the food we take. So it is possible to correct the
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  energy balance equation when we are still training if we
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  increase our energy in. So that's what's driving me
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  bananas is sometimes I feel like there are people out there who
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  believe when they see that we allow training, that we just are
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  reinforcing the bad behaviors and bad relationship with
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  exercise when that truly is not the case.
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  And that's all we are advocating for is an individualized
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  approach. Off my soapbox.
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  Now I have so many points that I want to make off of this.
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  Riley, do you want to go first? Because I'm a fearful I'm going
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  to talk for 20 minutes. Like once I get going, like I'm
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  not going to stop. So like please floor is.
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  All yours. The first thing I want to say is
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  like the big sister Jean in me starts to kind of come out when
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  I hear that Lily is taking heat on a public platform.
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  Because working with Lily, knowing Lily, being friends with
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  Lily, she is the absolute sweetest, kindest, most loving
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  person I maybe have ever met in my entire life.
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  And the fact that anyone would say anything that is rude or
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  mean or just not kind to her makes me just want to show up in
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  a way like I have never shown up before.
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  Like I get so protective over like the people in my life that
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  I love. I'm not trying to say it's
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  because you're younger or anything like that, but like if
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  it was happening to Riley, I would feel the same way of just
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  like wanting to protect, like your peace because that take a
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  toll on someone emotionally. And like, thank you for being
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  out there and like doing the work that you're doing as far as
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  just like talking about this on a platform, you know, allows
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  people to hide behind a username that they can say whatever they
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  want and feel like they can get away with it.
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  And like just makes me so angry that somebody would say
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  something to you. I'm like, it doesn't even matter
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  the subject. I'm like, no, like Lily is so
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  sweet and so kind and she's not going to say anything to lead
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  you astray. So like that bothers me out of
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  the gate that there's anyone that would just be mean to you.
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  And I don't like that as far as the subject or the topic that we
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  are talking about, we aren't encouraging that you increase
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  your training during period recovery.
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  However, we have to give athletes, especially those who
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  are contractually obligated through sport on a scholarship,
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  potentially working towards getting a scholarship because
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  that might be the only way that they can attend university.
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  We need to be giving them an option because if we just look
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  at all of those young women and say to them your only option is
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  to stop this, we're doing them a huge disservice.
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  That's why we exist as a team because there are so many
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  different scenarios. And just because maybe you
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  needed to take the all in approach or to remove exercise
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  completely because disordered relationship with exercise is
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  something that you were dealing with.
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  It doesn't mean that everyone is because everybody is different
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  and everybody's journey is so unique and individualized to
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  them. And oh good one to bring with
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  like the heat to start Lily. I feel strongly already.
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  Well, thanks for saying all those kind words about me and I
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  think that it shows the negativity on that thread was
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  there way before I even started posting.
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  And so I also am feeling big sister like with all of the
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  women in this thread who are getting publicly shamed for
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  wanting to continue exercise. Of course we don't like the
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  negative comments and all those things, but it also is bringing
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  light that there is more than one way to do period recovery.
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  And so I'm very grateful to be able to spend time in that space
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  and answer questions in that thread.
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  So glad that you brought this up too, because oftentimes people
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  assume that we're like against all in and that's not what we're
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  doing on this podcast. We are giving you an alternative
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  and we're also talking about how individualized this process is
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  and how everybody needs to take a different approach.
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  It's horrible woman's healthcare to just prescribing A1 size fits
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  all because that is not the case.
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  Yes, is a serious issue. And the way to solve HA is very
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  similar, right? We, like Lily said, we have to
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  overcome that energy deficit. But there's not just one way to
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  do that. And so many women, when they
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  look online or they look at Reddit or they Google HA
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  recovery, they're only being told one way to do something.
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  It's just not everybody's the same, yes.
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  And I think that that's something that has become more
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  of a popular thing when we're thinking of medicine, especially
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  in this space is it's kind of been this awakening that.
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  And it's something that we've talked about on the podcast
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  before. You guys interviewed Dr. Hill a
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  couple months ago about how birth control is not a
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  one-size-fits-all approach either.
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  And so I don't know how we can assume that nutrition is the
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  same way either. Nothing is 1 size fits all when
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  it comes to healthcare and HA recovery.
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  I also, I've been on Reddit as well and of course I have to go
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  and support Lily and she has been like such a baller with
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  like the approach that she has taken on Reddit and answering
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  all of those questions. Such an amazing resource.
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  And so of course I'm lurking and I'm looking at comments and one
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  of the craziest comments on there.
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  Not craziest, but I thought it was a really good comparison.
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  And she actually brought up like HA versus like Ed, like erectile
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  dysfunction, because she was saying when you go to those
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  threads, there's all these different ideas.
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  And like, I didn't personally go to that thread, like I'm good, I
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  don't need to go there. But she was talking about, and I
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  just assume it was a she, but she was talking about how
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  there's all these different ideas and different ways to, you
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  know, solve Ed. And she said that she was
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  comparing that because that was a male specific issue versus a
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  female specific issue. And she was talking about how
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  when you go to the hypothalamic amenorrhea recovery page,
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  everybody's like, there's only one way to do this.
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  There's one way to recover. But when you look at maybe like
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  a male specific issue or you look at other disease states,
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  there's lots of different ways and different things that people
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  are trying to help solve these problems.
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  My gosh, Riley, I'm so glad you brought set that up because I
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  think about, you know, you went through a period that you were
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  very, very sick during pregnancy and there were so many
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  interventions, options and things for you to try to figure
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  out how you could help your pregnancy specific nausea and
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  what you responded well to might be different from what someone
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  else responds well to. And like the things that made
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  you feel better. Like I think I think it was blue
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  slushies was something that you could tolerate really well.
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  Might not be the same for everybody, but like that's what
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  worked for you and your body and like like that's a very
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  nutrition related situation that everything that you did that
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  then somebody else who comes to you and says, I'm really having
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  really bad pregnancy nausea. You look at them and go just go
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  get a blue slushie like that'll cure you.
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  That'll do it for you. Because chances are high that
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  might not be the food that they tell you.
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  It wasn't what it was probably like it was.
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  I'm just looking because it's so timely, because yesterday I was
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  at the grocery store in the afternoon and like the blue
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  slushies are at McDonald's and it was like across the street
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  from a McDonald's and I was like, do I go and get a blue
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  slushie? Like I, I haven't had one in
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  three years. I like, haven't even thought
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  about them. And I was like, I was like kind
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  of thirsty. It's like hot now here, which is
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  crazy. And so I was like, do I go get
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  one? I didn't, but I just like, it's
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  so funny that you brought that up because like in my brain
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  yesterday, I was like, do I go get like the blue icy or like
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  the blue slushy? I just thought that's so funny
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  that you brought that up. Well.
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  That's like what I think of is like there are so many different
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  tips and tricks and things like that out there.
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  And if you googled that, you'd probably get like 10 different
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  ideas from people who were like, this really helped me.
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  Maybe it will help you too. Why don't we apply that the same
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  way? Like why are we so strict that
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  there is only one method to solve this problem?
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  Especially because it's nutrition related.
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  And I tell all the clients that I work with when I'm like, OK,
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  we're going to try this option because this fulfills our goal
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  requirement that we're looking for.
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  But the good news is if this we try this and you don't like
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  this, it doesn't work for you. This is nutrition.
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  There is 9 times out of 10 something else we can try
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  instead that you might like better.
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  So like, for example, I had somebody yesterday who was
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  trying to do a glass of milk with her dinner and she's like
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  Jenna, I just, I can't do it. I'm not remembering it.
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  It's not working. So we swapped it out for
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  something else that's now working a lot better for her.
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  There are different ways to do even the smallest bits of
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  nutrition. Riley, what's driving you
• 18:36
  bananas? Mine seems so trivial now.
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  I was at the grocery store yesterday kind of again kind of
• 18:41
  timely and I was at Publix. I don't know if y'all have
• 18:44
  Publix but. I don't have Publix but I know
• 18:46
  Publix and I'm envious. I love Publix, it is a little
• 18:49
  expensive, but I do love Publix and I was just popping in there
• 18:52
  because I needed to get something to drink.
• 18:53
  Like this is again like why? I was on the blue icy thing and
• 18:57
  again, I never have those. I don't know what I was.
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  Why am I yesterday? It was so weird.
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  I haven't had one like I said in a long time, but I walk into
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  Publix. At least the Publix I go to
• 19:06
  always does a really good job of like throwing out sales like as
• 19:10
  soon as you walk in like you walk in and there's like all
• 19:12
  these products that like are for sale that week.
• 19:15
  They do a really good job. So I'm a bargain hunter.
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  So I walk over. I will have to share a picture
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  of this with you guys. But the big sale that they were
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  having was this product called Egg Life.
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  Have you guys heard of Egg Life? No, but it makes a little.
• 19:30
  Nervy Egg Life is a pasta that instead of being made with
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  flour, it's made with eggs. Your face is, per serving, 4
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  grams of carbs and 19 grams of protein.
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  You don't boil it, you just heat it up for 5 minutes.
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  So is it just eggs shaped like noodles?
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  Like is there any? Is there anything else to it
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  like? I took a picture of it, but I've
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  tried to pull up the ingredients facts.
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  The first two ingredients are egg whites and egg yolk Supper.
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  So you're having eggs with pasta sauce on top?
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  Which I'm not mad about like an egg and pasta situation.
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  I know that y'all might be like super grossed out by this but
• 20:12
  like I sometimes will do like a Sunnyside egg with a pasta like
• 20:16
  kind of like a carbonara but like I don't want to be that
• 20:19
  fancy. I'm not mad about like an egg
• 20:21
  pasta situation, but like, eggs aren't pasta.
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  That's like, really insulting to pasta across the globe.
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  Yeah, but like, also why? Yeah, who thought of this?
• 20:30
  A mediocre bald white man, probably, I don't know name, is
• 20:34
  so mad. This is the kind of product that
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  I fear falls into the wrong hands when working in period
• 20:41
  recovery. Because if I'm saying, OK, we're
• 20:43
  having a serving of pasta at dinner and that's our goal for
• 20:46
  the week, and this is the pasta that that person picks up.
• 20:49
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 20:50
  We're not accomplishing the goal of getting in carbohydrate.
• 20:53
  OK, here's oh, here's our ingredients guys.
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  Here's our ingredients. Egg whites, egg yolks on Jack
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  fiber, KONJAC fiber, Zanzan gum, natural flavor, and a
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  preservative. I've actually never seen this
• 21:06
  preservative. No wonder people are confused.
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  Like when I look at this nutrition facts panel as a
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  dietitian, I'm like, how is this a quality product right here?
• 21:14
  I'm not mad about eggs, but like this isn't healthy with air
• 21:18
  quotes. Like why are you guys demonizing
• 21:21
  a great quality pasta and you are OK with this?
• 21:24
  It's just so confusing, you know?
• 21:26
  I'm going to bet too that that probably wasn't even on sale,
• 21:28
  was probably like not that inexpensive.
• 21:30
  Like I feel like all those products tend to be pricier.
• 21:32
  Well. 9 ounces of this a nine ounce container is $9.
• 21:36
  Just to be clear, most pasta the containers are 16 ounces and
• 21:40
  three dollars. I will take the latter, yeah.
• 21:43
  This is where I go back to, you know, the wine.
• 21:45
  So like if you guys have tried this and you like the taste of
• 21:48
  it, that's fine, go for it. But this is not a good option
• 21:53
  for carbohydrates. This is not a good option for a
• 21:55
  period recovery. I think it goes back to like the
• 21:58
  why, like we always talk about like peanut butter versus PB2
• 22:00
  like why are you choosing one over the other?
• 22:02
  Is it because of the taste or is it because you're trying to
• 22:04
  avoid fat? You know, at least the good news
• 22:06
  is every time I see something that just really drives me
• 22:09
  bananas, I have something to talk about on the podcast, kind
• 22:11
  of like our high and our lows. But that's my that's what's
• 22:14
  driving me bananas this week. Jenna, what's driving you
• 22:16
  bananas? OK.
• 22:17
  I get a lot of things, I think through ads, article suggestions
• 22:22
  that are related to ultra processed foods and the new
• 22:26
  inverted pizza pyramid triangle situation that is the new
• 22:31
  dietary guidelines. Because we've talked a lot about
• 22:34
  that on this podcast. I feel like I get quite a few
• 22:36
  questions, not only from maybe clients, but also family members
• 22:39
  and friends who are just kind of generally confused about that
• 22:42
  graphic. We've talked a whole bunch about
• 22:43
  it on this podcast. If you do have questions about
• 22:45
  it, refer to that episode and you will hear our full thoughts
• 22:48
  on that. But I saw an article the other
• 22:50
  day that was a list of foods. I believe it was like somewhere
• 22:53
  between 17 and 20 packaged foods that weren't going to be
• 22:58
  considered ultra processed. Now here's the situation or I
• 23:02
  feel like the situation is, I was under the impression from a
• 23:05
  lot of the verbiage around those guidelines is that packaged
• 23:09
  foods were the ultra processed foods.
• 23:11
  So I was super curious to see what this person was deeming as
• 23:16
  ones that were OK packaged and processed but not necessarily
• 23:20
  ultra processed. So I went to this list and it's
• 23:23
  a lot of the products that we would expect to see from like a
• 23:26
  healthier standpoint. Not that any of these products
• 23:29
  are necessarily bad or ones that I don't enjoy having on
• 23:31
  occasion, but it was like instead of a Lay's potato chips,
• 23:34
  you have Siete chips. Instead of a Chewy granola bar,
• 23:39
  you have a Lara bar. Instead of the regular Cheerios,
• 23:43
  you have Magic Spoon Cheerios and things like that.
• 23:47
  That was a lot of like the health branded products.
• 23:50
  I was just like kind of surprised, but not surprised and
• 23:53
  just a little bit mad that we're like, OK, here's a list of these
• 23:56
  way more expensive food items that can essentially do the same
• 24:00
  thing as these other less expensive items for the most
• 24:04
  part, and they're going to be OK because they're health branded
• 24:08
  versus this is not Lily. It really reminded me of the
• 24:10
  last what drives us bananas episode where you talk about the
• 24:13
  vital farms eggs and how packaging and the marketing
• 24:16
  around those makes people believe that there are these
• 24:19
  like super healthy eggs or like they're somehow healthier than
• 24:22
  other eggs. And I think that the same thing
• 24:25
  was kind of happening in this article where it was like these
• 24:28
  food products that have just been labeled or look healthier,
• 24:32
  like a Lara bars package looks a lot different from like pop
• 24:35
  Tarts packaging. If we're being completely
• 24:37
  honest, that's it's going to be OK, but some of these other
• 24:40
  things that maybe go through just as much processing or
• 24:42
  packaging aren't. I think it's so interesting
• 24:45
  because hearing you explain like that article, it feels like to
• 24:49
  me they're already kind of backtracking a little bit on
• 24:53
  what ultra process kind of almost trying to deal with that
• 24:56
  health Halo that they created themselves of ultra processed
• 24:59
  food when realistically ultra processed food.
• 25:02
  Like that's just a definition of what goes into a food.
• 25:06
  Not necessarily. Like yes, both chips are
• 25:09
  actually ultra processed. Like that is what the food is,
• 25:13
  but you've decided to push the messaging that ultra processed
• 25:16
  is in no way ever fits into any type of diet.
• 25:20
  That then you have these big food industries that make a lot
• 25:24
  of money off of these products that they market as healthy and
• 25:27
  are now losing money because they're considered ultra
• 25:29
  processed. That's a really good point.
• 25:31
  Stupid egg life pasta would be on that list.
• 25:34
  Right. Literally, I think it goes back
• 25:37
  to like the marketing is just so good.
• 25:40
  It is so good. I have run into this so many
• 25:44
  times when I'm doing like team contracts or I'm doing team
• 25:48
  consultations and I'm suggesting like athletes fuel on the court
• 25:53
  or field or just within their sport.
• 25:55
  I say court because I have this memory that literally like just
• 25:59
  sticks out in my brain and it's a little bit of a story.
• 26:02
  So if you don't mind, I'm going to share it.
• 26:03
  When I was working in college athletics, I suggested to one of
• 26:07
  our tennis teams that they needed to have like on court
• 26:11
  fuel. I was suggesting fruit snacks
• 26:13
  because we were on a very big budget and fruit snacks are a
• 26:18
  relatively cheap option. I remember the coaching staff
• 26:21
  actually went to my boss because they were upset that I was
• 26:26
  recommending fruit snacks and they wanted honey Stinger
• 26:31
  gummies and they said I was like trying to poison their team.
• 26:34
  Oh my goodness. And honey Stinger gummies.
• 26:37
  Nothing wrong with honey Eastinger.
• 26:38
  I love their products are three times the price.
• 26:42
  At the end of the day, if the point of that was to get
• 26:45
  carbohydrates in these tennis players, which I'm going to go
• 26:47
  down the limb here and say that it was not a lot of difference
• 26:50
  as far as carbohydrates in one versus carbohydrates in the
• 26:53
  other, they both get the job done.
• 26:54
  So we had to have a really big science lesson with coaching
• 26:57
  staff. But again, like, you have to
• 26:59
  play the game a little bit. And so, you know, I always like
• 27:02
  to kind of like go back to like the facts.
• 27:04
  And I did some product comparisons and I was like,
• 27:06
  look, the 1st and ingredient and Hunter Stinger gummies are the
• 27:10
  same first ingredient as marshmallows.
• 27:12
  It is literally all kind of the same thing.
• 27:14
  It's all simple carbohydrates. If you want to provide more
• 27:18
  carbohydrates to your team, if you want to provide more
• 27:21
  resources for your team, then we have to go with a cheaper, not
• 27:25
  as health branded option. It's going to be the same thing.
• 27:28
  And don't worry, they still picked Honey Stinger gum.
• 27:31
  Of course they did. But this is not what drives me
• 27:34
  bananas. It's what drives you banana.
• 27:35
  So. But I just had to tell that
• 27:36
  story because the marketing is so good.
• 27:39
  And it really is, I have a number of collegiate runners
• 27:42
  that I work with who we're trying to implement some intra
• 27:45
  run fuel with. And a lot of them I do recommend
• 27:47
  starting with gummy snacks or some type of fruit snack pack
• 27:50
  because they're incredibly affordable.
• 27:52
  These are college students we're talking about and oftentimes
• 27:54
  they're available at a fueling station.
• 27:56
  And so the number of them that come back to me and say, should
• 27:58
  I be doing a gel or a goo instead?
• 28:01
  My coach said that's better or I heard that's better or like it's
• 28:04
  running specific and we go through the exact same
• 28:06
  conversation as far as let's look at what these have, let's
• 28:09
  look at the goal of this product.
• 28:11
  Let's look at the cost comparison, like let's compare
• 28:13
  the two and what we're trying to accomplish with this product.
• 28:16
  I do want to bring up something that kind of Lily brought up
• 28:18
  actually in her what drives her bananas because people might be
• 28:22
  listening And now people think it's like we're supporting like
• 28:25
  1 extreme and that's not what we're doing.
• 28:27
  And I think that's what happens when we talk about like easy
• 28:30
  accessible fuel. We talk about ultra processed
• 28:32
  foods. It's not necessarily like one or
• 28:35
  the other. It's not like we're saying
• 28:36
  ignore that entire list. It's just that sometimes we need
• 28:40
  to look at what's actually going on.
• 28:42
  Why are things getting recommended?
• 28:45
  Is it marketing or is it the truth?
• 28:47
  Because there's so much marketing and nutrition, but not
• 28:50
  a lot of like, truth telling. Oh I'm so glad you said that.
• 28:53
  That's such a good point to bring up because I use Welch's
• 28:55
  fruit snacks to fuel some of my runs or the Black First gummy
• 28:58
  bears to fuel some of my runs. But I also use gels because gels
• 29:01
  are what's easier for me to take on race day.
• 29:03
  So I have to practice with both. But like both exist within my
• 29:06
  fueling plan. Same with like I posted the
• 29:08
  other day about how I got like these organic fruit strip things
• 29:12
  from Costco that are easy carbs and essentially all it is, is
• 29:14
  just dried fruit mashed into a bar.
• 29:16
  But like I will have those and I will still have Welch's fruit
• 29:19
  snacks before I go for a run because they're both just
• 29:22
  carbohydrates and that's what I'm looking for at the end of
• 29:24
  the day. And it's not that I'm
• 29:25
  exclusively picking one or exclusively pushing the other.
• 29:28
  Nutrition is pretty simple 1 when it comes down to us talking
• 29:31
  about just like our macro nutrients and our timing around
• 29:34
  exercise, we just want you to do whatever works best for you.
• 29:37
  I couldn't think of a better way to end this podcast.
• 29:39
  Thank you, Lily, for saying that.
• 29:41
  As always, if there are things that you saw or you heard that
• 29:44
  absolutely drove you bananas, we 100% want to know about it.
• 29:47
  So please leave it in the comments of this podcast.
• 29:49
  If you do have questions for Riley, Lily, or myself, you can
• 29:51
  always reach out to us. You can find Riley on Instagram
• 29:55
  at Riley dot Beatty dot nutrition.
• 29:56
  You can find Lily at Lily dot rymer dot nutrition, and you can
• 29:59
  find me at Jenna dot Fisher dot nutrition.
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• 30:03
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• 30:07
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