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BPS 383: How to Raise $2 Million Using NFTs with Arel Avellino · Bulletproof Screenwriting™ Podcast

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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Bulletproof Screenwriting Podcast, Episode number three eighty three.
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  Speaker 2: today on the show, we have a very unique filmmaker,
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  Speaker 2: someone who is able to do almost the impossible. He
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  Speaker 2: has been able to raise two million dollars or actually
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  Speaker 2: over two million dollars using NFTs for a brand new
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  Speaker 2: IP or intellectual property. His name is Errol Avelino, and
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  Speaker 2: Ero reached out to me to tell me his story
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  Speaker 2: about how he was able to raise this money using NFTs.
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  Speaker 2: And if you're not familiar with NFTs, please check out
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  Speaker 2: episode four seventy one where I go into a deep
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  Speaker 2: dive into what NFTs are and bitcoin and blockchain and
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  Speaker 2: the whole technology and how independent filmakers can make money
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  Speaker 2: with it. And when I heard Eryl's story, I said,
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  Speaker 2: I have to get these guys on the show. I
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  Speaker 2: gotta let the tribe know how he did it. And
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  Speaker 2: what he did is pretty ingenious and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the things that he was able to do for his
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  Speaker 2: new IP, we can translate that for independent filmmakers, and
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  Speaker 2: he wants to bring more independent filmmakers into his blockchain,
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  Speaker 2: into the blockchain that he has been working on. And
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  Speaker 2: if just all sounds a little Greek to you, just
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  Speaker 2: hang out for a little bit longer. Take a listen.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna explain everything in our conversation, so let's without
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  Speaker 2: any further ado, let's jump into it. Please enjoy my
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  Speaker 2: conversation with Errol Avelino. I'd like to welcome to the show,
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  Speaker 2: Eryl Evelina.
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  Speaker 3: How you doing, Eryl, I'm doing good. How you doing, Alex?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing good. Brother, I'm doing good.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for reaching out, because I think it's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: a really interesting conversation. I've had other conversations about NFTs
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  Speaker 2: on the show before, and kind of we're like one
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  Speaker 2: of the first shows to even discuss NFTs as a
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  Speaker 2: way to generate revenue self collectibles things like that. But
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  Speaker 2: you have a very unique way of approaching NFTs and
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  Speaker 2: we're going to get into that in a second. But
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  Speaker 2: before we started talking, or before we started recording, you
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  Speaker 2: told me that you've been in the indie film world.
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  Speaker 2: You come from the indie film world. So tell me
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  Speaker 2: how you got involved in the indie film world. And
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  Speaker 2: whin gott screen earth did you were you in?
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  Speaker 3: The so good question. So when I got out of
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  Speaker 3: high school, like literally from high school, I knew I
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  Speaker 3: wanted to be an indie filmmaker, Like that was the
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  Speaker 3: dream case. I had a teacher who was a major
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  Speaker 3: film buff and and just you know, talk with that
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  Speaker 3: guy about movies just suddenly gave me this like massive
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  Speaker 3: appreciation for the art form storytelling. All of that really
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  Speaker 3: interesting to me, especially visual storytelling. So I'm waiting. I
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  Speaker 3: didn't know what the path I said I wanted to
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  Speaker 3: be a filmmaker. I didn't even know that there was
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  Speaker 3: like a different classification filmmaker called an indie filmmaker. I
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  Speaker 3: only learned that trying to just find out what the
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  Speaker 3: path was at all. Right, and it's a very clear path, right,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you have you know, you go to school
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  Speaker 3: for four years and you do the you know, uh,
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  Speaker 3: work on on on set for for free, for free
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  Speaker 3: or nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So basically I found out that there is no path,
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  Speaker 3: and I went to community college for a little bit
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  Speaker 3: dropped out of that. Then I just started finding sets
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  Speaker 3: to be on I I played that game for like
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  Speaker 3: four years, met a lot of great people, and then
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  Speaker 3: I started a podcast where I was still looking for, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: how did people even make a living doing this? Because
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  Speaker 3: it feels like it feels like everybody was just inventing it.
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  Speaker 3: Like I would talk to people on sets and I
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  Speaker 3: was like, everyone kind of just invented how they, you know,
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  Speaker 3: made this sustainable. So talking to enough people, I know
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  Speaker 3: started interviewing people who are in just different cities and
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  Speaker 3: stuff like that give them excuse to talk to me.
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  Speaker 3: And after talking with enough people, I just started to
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  Speaker 3: realize that the path is essentially just go do enough things,
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  Speaker 3: continue to offer yourself up to enough people, and you'll
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  Speaker 3: you'll start to develop what starts to look like a career,
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  Speaker 3: but it's always going to kind of be this like
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  Speaker 3: freelance lifestyle. And so that kind of actually started me
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  Speaker 3: on a journey in business, which ultimately kind of led
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  Speaker 3: me to where I'm at right now. But we can
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  Speaker 3: kind of break the story up a little bit too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so. And then you you said you were
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  Speaker 2: you've been following in the film also for a while
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  Speaker 2: and yeah back in the older this oh.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, yeah man, because I I to me, the
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  Speaker 3: most interesting part about filmmaking like that has just like
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  Speaker 3: even now, even though I'm not making films right now,
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  Speaker 3: you know, not to say that I've stopped right still
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  Speaker 3: talk about scripts.
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  Speaker 2: If you can't get rid if you can't get rid
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  Speaker 2: of it, bro, that's like it's an illness.
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  Speaker 3: It's a beautiful and even what I'm doing right now
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  Speaker 3: has major crossover, which I've had to explain to a
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  Speaker 3: couple of people, like, yeah, why are you why are
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  Speaker 3: you doing you know, the game stuff, Like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: is is that really going to be like You're gonna
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  Speaker 3: be in this for like two three years at minimum
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  Speaker 3: on this game? You know? Are you? Are you surely
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  Speaker 3: going to be able to go that long perhaps without
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  Speaker 3: making a movie. I'm like, hey, i might still make
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  Speaker 3: a movie in there, But at the same time, it's
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  Speaker 3: not going to be like, you know, somebody else is
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  Speaker 3: gonna have to go make that movie. I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: just help that person out with that movie, help with
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  Speaker 3: script whatever. But anyway, so punk being is is Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I followed your work followed a lot of the guys
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  Speaker 3: who have been in the indie space, just trying to
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  Speaker 3: speak to people who are up and coming, just because
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  Speaker 3: the thing that was most interesting to me about indie
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  Speaker 3: filmmaking is it was an art form that had to
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  Speaker 3: in some way be a business because it requires collaboration,
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  Speaker 3: perhaps more than most other art forms, you know, save
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  Speaker 3: a few others that are kind of like in the
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  Speaker 3: media space, this is one of the like art forms
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  Speaker 3: that requires the most collaboration. So you have to have
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  Speaker 3: it be a business otherwise, you know, you can't, you
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  Speaker 3: can't do it. You know, you think about how many
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  Speaker 3: times a painter punches out at painting. It's so many times.
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  Speaker 3: But a director, how many movies does he punch out?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 3: So exactly at.
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  Speaker 2: The best case scenario, at the highest end, you got
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  Speaker 2: Ridley Scott who puts busts out one every three months,
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  Speaker 2: especially nowadays. And then you've got and then you've got
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  Speaker 2: Kubrick and Malik, who you know, bust it out like
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  Speaker 2: spit nine or ten in their entire life. Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's I always say that to people, like as
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  Speaker 2: an artist, you as a director, you very rarely get
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  Speaker 2: to do your art. It's it dicks years. Most of
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  Speaker 2: your career is getting revved up to do your art
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  Speaker 2: as opposed to a paiter or a musician or a writer. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's a pretty brutal excess, but we love it.
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  Speaker 2: But we love it.
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  Speaker 3: That's the craziness. Definitely takes a different type of person,
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  Speaker 3: for sure, And I think that that's kind of what
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  Speaker 3: geared me up into wanting to do anything else that
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  Speaker 3: felt like that, Like, I couldn't. I don't think I
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  Speaker 3: could ever go to even even though business has always
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  Speaker 3: interested me, especially need to get into it with filmmaking,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think I could do a business that was
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  Speaker 3: just you know, trying to sell widgets. You know. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: we're you know, trying to do some type of other
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  Speaker 3: service other than you know, creating things for people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I completely understand. Now we're going to
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  Speaker 2: talk about NFTs. Can you tell people listening what are
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  Speaker 2: NFT is if they don't know what they are already?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So I've always had this struggle with the word NFT,
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  Speaker 3: like just the term because there's very few things that
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  Speaker 3: we refer to by such a technical term, but literally NFT,
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  Speaker 3: all it means is non fungible token, And it's very
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  Speaker 3: technical because all those words existed before. The term non
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  Speaker 3: fungible existed before. But we just, you know, call this
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  Speaker 3: thing a non fungible token because some developer said, you know,
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  Speaker 3: this makes the most sense to call it this, because
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  Speaker 3: that's great, right, It is a non fungible token that
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  Speaker 3: basically you've probably explained it before in other episode. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: for anyone who's hearing us for the first time. Fungibility
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  Speaker 3: is literally just if I have a dollar, that dollar
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  Speaker 3: is always the same dollar, Like, it doesn't change in
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  Speaker 3: value from one dollar to another. You can have any
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  Speaker 3: dollar and it will always be worth the exact same.
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  Speaker 3: You know, same thing with if I bought an apple,
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  Speaker 3: apples are always the same value from apple to apple.
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  Speaker 3: So long as all things being equal, that apple is
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  Speaker 3: the same no matter what. But a non fungible asset
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  Speaker 3: is essentially an asset of any type where the specific
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  Speaker 3: the specificity of that asset itself is important. So, for example,
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  Speaker 3: a a baseball card or any collector's item is considered
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  Speaker 3: a non fungible asset because you know, when that card
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  Speaker 3: was minted matters. You know what the what the card's
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  Speaker 3: overall value in the marketplace matters, So the the almost
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  Speaker 3: the serialization of it is what really matters. So you
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  Speaker 3: see this a lot with collector stuff, and it probably
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  Speaker 3: collectors are some of the most familiar with non fungible
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  Speaker 3: assets because they've literally been dealing with these, you know,
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  Speaker 3: from the get go. Shoes to one person might be
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  Speaker 3: a fungible asset, but shoes to another person might be
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  Speaker 3: a non fungible asset because you know, uh, the the
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  Speaker 3: shoe collector is looking at, well, which print was the shoe?
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  Speaker 3: Did the shoe come from? You know, what is the
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  Speaker 3: you know, basically going into the specs from every single shoe,
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  Speaker 3: not just you know this particular uh, not just this
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  Speaker 3: particular brand or even that it's a shoe, this specifically
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  Speaker 3: the manufacturing line that this thing came out of.
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  Speaker 2: So basically, an apple is an apple because an apple
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  Speaker 2: when it was manufactured still had the value of an apple,
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  Speaker 2: and and and when it was grown it was still
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  Speaker 2: hot a value an apple, whereas a baseball card, for example,
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  Speaker 2: or a or a Pokemon card for the for the
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  Speaker 2: young and is listening today, now it's that back man,
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  Speaker 2: They're they're hot now still like they're huge. Now apparently it's.
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  Speaker 3: The particular going back for me.
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  Speaker 2: Yea, So those costs, I mean, I don't even know.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know that it's about dude.
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  Speaker 3: I'm dude.
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  Speaker 2: I was Garbage Bail Kids, man, if you want to
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  Speaker 2: go real back, I was the first series Garbage Bail Kids. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: the but the cost of the creation of that item.
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  Speaker 2: Let's say it's five cents to print a baseball card
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  Speaker 2: for just better or words, it's five cents. That is
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  Speaker 2: the actual value and cost of creating that, uh, that asset.
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  Speaker 2: Now in the collectibles world, if it's a printed for
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  Speaker 2: if it's a printed baseball of a baseball card of
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  Speaker 2: a guy you've never heard of who batted you know,
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty, it costs the same to make
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  Speaker 2: him as it did to make a Mickey Mantle rookie card.
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  Speaker 2: It's the exact same cost, but the values associated with
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  Speaker 2: that non fungibility into it, which is the collectible aspect
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  Speaker 2: of it. And that's the difference between us. So that
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  Speaker 2: brings us to NFTs. So now we've actually brought in
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  Speaker 2: baseball cards and comic book ideas into a digital space.
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  Speaker 2: So the cost to mint as they say a non
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  Speaker 2: fungible token. Argue, listay to argue, We'll say, still five cents,
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  Speaker 2: but the value of what has been minted is in
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  Speaker 2: the eye of the beholder, based on the collectible market.
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  Speaker 2: Fairware of saying that.
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  Speaker 3: Reason why the reason why I say it's bad like
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  Speaker 3: it's a bad name or a bad marketing, because n FT,
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  Speaker 3: you have to do all that explaining to simply say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: this is actually just a digital item, like this is
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  Speaker 3: a way for us to prove ownership of a digital item.
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  Speaker 3: And why that kind of matters is we've never had
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  Speaker 3: the ability for us to sell digital goods on a
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  Speaker 3: secondary market, so it was past you think about it.
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  Speaker 3: And if I buy a DVD, sorry, if I buy
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  Speaker 3: a DVD, yes, I'll go down that rabbit hole. If
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  Speaker 3: I buy a DVD, which very few people do anymore,
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  Speaker 3: we have moved mostly digital. I can sell that DVD
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  Speaker 3: to in a yard sale, I could sell it on Amazon,
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  Speaker 3: I could sell it on eBay, like I truly own
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  Speaker 3: that DVD. But if I were to buy a digital
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  Speaker 3: copy of that and now it's on my Amazon library,
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  Speaker 3: I can't sell it back to Amazon like I now
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  Speaker 3: have that stuck in my library. I couldn't sell it
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  Speaker 3: to another person. I couldn't give it to a friend,
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  Speaker 3: like it is stuck in my library and it's trapped there.
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  Speaker 3: And NFTs actually give us the way to make that
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  Speaker 3: function more like an item, so rather than it being
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  Speaker 3: about you know, essentially just you know, you let you
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  Speaker 3: have this digital thing and you got from that guy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: now it has to stay on that guy's website and
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  Speaker 3: you can only go to it when you go essentially
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  Speaker 3: to that guy's house. That's kind of a bad deal, right, right,
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  Speaker 3: So now we're treating these like real items that you
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  Speaker 3: really own, which is you own it. So now now
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  Speaker 3: as you own it, you can go sell it to
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  Speaker 3: you know, one of your buddies, you can sell it
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  Speaker 3: to somebody online, or you can give it to them,
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  Speaker 3: doesn't matter, it's yours. You do with it what you want.
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  Speaker 2: It's the thing is fascinating with me because when I discovered,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I had the same problem with the NFT
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  Speaker 2: name and understand it. And I'm a fairly technical and
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  Speaker 2: educated man, and I had to go really deep down
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  Speaker 2: the rabbit hole. I read probably five or ten books
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  Speaker 2: on blockchain and crypto, and I really just wanted to
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  Speaker 2: get unders. I just want to understand this new world.
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  Speaker 2: And then and if teas came out, and I just
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  Speaker 2: educated myself. I watched every movie I could, get my
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  Speaker 2: documentary on as I could, so I became, you know,
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  Speaker 2: fairly well versed in this world. And yet it didn't
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  Speaker 2: click for me until I said, oh, this is a
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  Speaker 2: digital baseball card.
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  Speaker 3: Got it?
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  Speaker 2: Now, it's a digital comic book. God, because I've been
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  Speaker 2: I was a collector for a long time, collect the
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  Speaker 2: comic books, baseball Card's garbage frail kid since I was
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  Speaker 2: a kid, all that kind of stuff. So I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's what this is. But they're they're so confusing everybody
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  Speaker 2: with this terminology in the way they're trying to explain them, Like, dude,
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  Speaker 2: it's a digital baseball card. And and the NBA is
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  Speaker 2: literally made digital Eclipse now with NFTs, and they're doing
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  Speaker 2: they're doing, Okay, they're doing and major League major League
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  Speaker 2: Baseball is starting to get into it. It's a whole
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  Speaker 2: it's a whole new world. And for people who don't
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  Speaker 2: understand why, because if they if they're if you're holding
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  Speaker 2: onto a book or a DVD, I hold on this
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  Speaker 2: like Okay, this is something I can hold on to.
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  Speaker 2: This is a product. But to mentally think about that
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  Speaker 2: book as a digital item, it's hard for certain people
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  Speaker 2: to grasp that concept because it's it's beyond their ability.
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  Speaker 2: Whereas the new generation growing up who's been playing Roadblocks,
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  Speaker 2: who has been playing all these role player games, who
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  Speaker 2: are literally paying sometimes thousands of dollars for a digital
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  Speaker 2: acts that they now own that makes them more powerful
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  Speaker 2: inside of the game. That's a digital item that there's
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  Speaker 2: So it makes sense to that generation, but not so
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  Speaker 2: much to the baby boomers, if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because they're used to dealing in digital economies already,
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  Speaker 3: and so for them, it makes for for for most
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  Speaker 3: people who are uh, you know, kind of walks into
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  Speaker 3: that digital economy, I mean, we now have a generation
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  Speaker 3: that's literally only dealt with digital economy, correct, And so
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  Speaker 3: those guys, yeah, it just comes very intuitively that this
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  Speaker 3: makes sense. But for the rest of us, what matters
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  Speaker 3: the most here is that the innovation itself. There's a
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  Speaker 3: ton of hype, there's a ton of hype, right, but
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  Speaker 3: the innovation itself that this is a digital item is
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  Speaker 3: the massive part of the innovation, not just the you know,
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  Speaker 3: you know, if we're trying to get all technical, like
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: the non fungibility asked, like, if we try to talk
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: about what NFTs are, I think if we keep the
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: conversation on that, hey, these are digital items, it starts
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: to simplify it for everyone else, and then they can
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: start to understand the implifications or the implications of that.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: Because again, like I think, what made it click for
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: even people who I know who have been in the
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: cryptospace a long time, very educated in blockchain more than
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: I am, when I told them that what I'm trying
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: to make is a game that when somebody buys it online,
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: Like let's say that Steam is selling it, which by
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: the way, they said they won't they won't sell it,
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: but we'll come to that whatever versia Steam sells this game, somebody, somebody,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: the person who buys it should also be able to
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: sell it themselves. And what's even more is me, as
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: the developer of that game, or any indie developer who
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: makes a game, should also get a cut of every
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: single sale of that of that item, that digital item,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: which is something you cannot do with a physical item.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Correct Well, at the same time, it's now possible with
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: the digital stuff, but every other rule of what's possible
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: would be physical stuff. As far as being able to
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: do a secondary marketplace is also now finally true a
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: digital stuff, which has been a huge user experience problem
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: with the digital space and also held back a lot
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: of indies from being able to really take advantage of
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: their community, essentially helping to market this thing. Because sometimes
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: you get a movie because somebody recommended to you or
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: gave it to you or sold it to you, or
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: you get a game because somebody gave it to you,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: sold it to you. Blah blah blah.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean back in the day. I mean no,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I'm dating myself. When CDs there used to be CD
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: there used to be CD stores where you could just
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: buy new and U CDs, and it was cutting into
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: a lot of the market share of music and artists.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: And I remember Garth Brooks like sued to get to
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: stop that, and the Supreme Court said, not, when you
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: buy an item, we'll be right back after a word
• 20:03
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• 20:10
  Speaker 2: yours and you can resell it. And it's just like
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: if you bought a refrigerator, you can resell a refrigerator,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: A CD or a movie is no different. But in
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: the digital space, we haven't been given that option up
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: into this time. Like when you buy a movie on iTunes.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: I've got movies on iTunes. I can't resell it. I
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: can't sell that same movie that I bought for ten
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: bucks for two bucks later if I want to in
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: a garage sale or in a digital version, or in
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: a metaverse garage sale or something like that, which will happen. Yeah,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: you know, imagine if there will be eventually metaverse metaverse
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: to garage sales. Because there's metaverse real estate. Dude, there's
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: people buying so much metaverse real estate since and that's
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: another thing you can't even comprehend, Like how much did
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: you just spend? I just saw this whole thing. Was
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: it on I think it was in sixty minutes or
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: CBS or something like that, where they're doing metaverse sale
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: real estate deals and Snoop Snoop Dogg bought a big
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: piece of real estate and then the value of the
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: space is next to him just blew up. And then
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: people bought it because why because they want to be
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: neighbors with Snoop Dogg in the metaverse it was just like,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: it's hard. It's really hard to grasp because it's so
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: new and so revolutionary that people can grab it. But
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: we can go down the NFT and blockchain rabbit hole
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: for at least another fifteen days. So the reason I
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: wanted to bring you on is what you've been able
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: to do with an IP. So can you tell me
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: how you used NFTs to launch your new IP strange clan.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So one of the things that I realized real fast,
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: and probably the most filmmakers realize this, is that nobody
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: cares about your story because the intellectual property behind your
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: story is brand freaking new, and that's why we don't
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: see original ideas anymore within the film space. So we
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: me and my brother both been creative guys. We we've
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: had a creative career for a long time, you know,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: essentially being creative for other people. Most of our career
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: has been creative for other people. So when we were
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: watching kind of like the development of n f t
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: s and you know, how people were using them, one
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: of the things I kept telling him and I couldn't commit.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: I felt like I couldn't convince other creators of this.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: But one of the things I was telling was like, hey,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: this is like a launch pad for intellectual property, because
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: I'm seeing board apes now all over the place, So
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: why like, that's that's brand new intellectual property that if
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: somebody were to then take that and now make a
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: board a TV show now make like now, people will
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: recognize it, right, and the value of that asset's going
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: to go up. Similar to Snoop Dogg, We've been next door, Like,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: the more the more things you begin to attach to
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: these brand new pieces of intellectual property, the more it
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: starts to get really interesting. But I wasn't seeing Pride
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: do that. I was just essentially seeing a ton of like,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: you know, spammy looking uh uh. You know, images come
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: out with no vision of like where it was supposed
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: to go after this. So we started talking about what
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: would it looked like if we did an NFT launch
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: and where we do it and and all that stuff.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Because ethereum uh, the too many problems with the ethereum uh,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: it thought the there's a there's lots of different reason
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: why there's a problem with ethereum, but one of them
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: being that you if you bought something for one hundred bucks,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: you might spend two hundred dollars in fees, so that's
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: kind of an issue. Plus also the that area is
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: very saturated, so we looked at several places to to
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: try to do this and that was a huge factor
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: into it, and I'll get into that, but basically what
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: we wanted to do is we wanted to create something
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: brand new, completely unique, and we wanted to be something
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: that was unique the second you saw it. So we
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: came with this idea for strange plan because we had
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: a guy on our team. He's a concept artist for
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: us and he really leaves art for for our team
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: as a whole, and we've started to really grow out
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: our art team underneath of him. And he we just said, hey, man,
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: like where this is totally exploratory, Like we really want
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: to try to do something here. Come up with some
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: images and we want to do like animals, We want
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: to do animals that look like people, and we want
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: this to be like kind of a fantasy esque thing,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: but we also wanted to look really uh like lots
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: of different styles present in it. And me and my
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: brother did a we did a talk together just essentially
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: like every single day we kind of have this where
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: we're bouncing ideas back and forth, and one of the
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: big conversations was what's the name going to be? And
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: because we kept talking about having like, well lots of
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: different uh, lots of different looks and styles and feels
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: kind of at the start of it it, uh, we
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: we had this feeling of like, well, it's really it's
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: really just a strange group of people. Because originally the
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: idea was, actually, we're going to pull in more artists,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: So we wanted this style of our characters to look
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: really wild for a second, so that other strange looking
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: styles that came in would also match up. And the
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: more we looked at the idea of actually collaborating with
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: other artists, the more we realized we were it was
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: it was mainly for us to do kind of a
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: community thing where all of our ips started all come
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: up and maybe we do something where we try to
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: make sense of why they're all connected. But it actually
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: turned out that our IP took off and we really
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: didn't need to like pull in other i ps to
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: make that work. So, uh, going back to it, we
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: came with this idea of strange plan. We said, hey,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: it's a clan, it's a family, it's a it's a
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: it's a tight knit group of people, and there's kind
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: of a strange environment about the world. And the more
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: that we let that idea play, the more the So
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: you'll see over the last several months of like art
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: development on our social channels, that idea has grown into
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: a much more mature I p. At the very beginning,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: at the launch of these n f ts, this looks
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: like really raw, like the beginning development of what even
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: this IP is supposed to supposed to be. And that's
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: what's strange about the the ed FT world and the
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: way that people are treating these because it's almost as
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: if they are looking to the future of what it's
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: supposed to be, very similar to how people treat kickstarters,
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: but instead of it being you know, all about getting
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: a T shirt or you know, getting a hat or
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: getting a copy of the movie. Instead they're they're taking
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: the messy artwork that you're producing or or the things
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: that you're producing, and eventually they'll have to eat more
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: mature over time as as people get used to seeing
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: a lot of the same styles, right, But they're looking
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: at that and they're looking ahead and saying, Okay, how
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: important is it going to be that this with the
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: vision of where the creators are going. How important is
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: it going to be that I own a piece of
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: this intellectual property. I own a piece of the starting
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: launch point, like the first Pokemon card, as it were,
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: like if Pokemon cards came first and launched that IP,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: it certainly launched it in the US. But if Pokemon
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: came first, Pokemon cards came first and really launched that IP.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: This is like the Pokemon card and owning the first
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Pokemon card, especially if projects do it right, because that's
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: kind of what we're trying to say is we're only
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: ever going to do ten thousand of these, only ever
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: going to do ten thousand of these, So immediately that
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: sets the value of right, if we're successful with making
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: a great looking game, then the collector's cards that we're
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: making at this side of things will always be very
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: rare and always have value on a secondary marketplace you regress.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: So, yes, it's kind of like if you would have
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: owned the NFTs of the original concept out of Star Wars. Yeah, yep,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: if that if that would have been a thing. If
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: George was trying to get things off the ground, and
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: there was a studio and this was an environment and
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: he had those those awesome I don't know, ten or
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: twenty paintings, yep, I put those out of n FT.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: What would the value of that be based off the
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: massive ip that the Star Wars so similar? You're doing
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: that similar for a game, but easily this can be
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: translated into a film as well. It's properly so okay,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: So you also told me that you raised a substantial
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: amount of money. How much did you raise with this
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: NFT and launching this ip?
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: So we only launched five thousand of the ten thousand
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: f tes and with that five those five thousand fts,
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: we raised two million dollars.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: So like every other independent film basically so every other
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: film makes generally, he easily can raise two million dollars.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Also raised that money for an independent game with unknown developers,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: they those those usually yet about two million dollars.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: So if you're not if you don't understand, this is sarcasm.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: This is extremely if people, because people might be listening like, oh,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: it's not easy. Am I doing something wrong? No, you're not.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: It is extremely difficult to raise two million dollars in
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: any space, under any circumstances. But for an independent game
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: from unknowns is the equivalent of trying to raise two
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: million dollars for an independent film with unknown actors, with
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: unknown filmmakers, with unknown producers, and everybody else involved as well.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: So that is a feat that caught my eye when
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: you when you reached out to me, how did you? Well,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: first of all, how did you because look, man, I could,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: I could tomorrow. Tomorrow, I can come up with some
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: strange pictures and some cool characters, which there are billions
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: of out there right now and especially in the NFT space.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: How did you target the audience and convince the audience
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: on your vision. We'll be right back after a word
• 29:59
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• 30:06
  Speaker 2: was you were able to do this fairly quickly. This
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: was not like over five years.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're talking about two to three months worth of
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: time for the even the lead up to it. So
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: if I were to chart the timeline, we came up
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: with the idea in the converse state, well, between me
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: and my brother were like, oh, hey, well there'll be
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: a great idea around July time, right, and then of
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: last year, of last year, of this past year, yeah, yeah,
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, and then in August was when we
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: started some of the art. We opened up the Twitter
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: in September, and I believe one of our first posts
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: on the Strange cater was September like early September, September one,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: September second like with literally within the first week, and
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: then uh September, October, October, October fifteenth. It was when
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: we launched. We launched the first time, and we actually
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: broke our website, so we actually had to launch again.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: We were open for less than an hour, probably thirty minutes.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: We broke the website. We we took a week to
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: fix a lot of problems.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: All right, so stuff for a second. Has how did
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: you generate enough interest to break a website from an
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: unknown IP and unknown creators?
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, no ad spends right now?
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: So how did so? How did they find out about it?
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: How did it was? How did you target your audience?
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, so I've I've this is really hard for
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: me to like, this is really hard for me to
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: also then make sense of with a lot of the
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: things that I have told people and I have also
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: thought myself. But the people who came on were solely
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: people interested in the technology more than they were interested
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: in the IP. And because we were supporting the technology
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: of what they were doing. The IP became important to them,
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: so we grabbed onto a neighboring thing that they cared
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: a lot about, and then the IP came important. Okay,
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: so let me just get specific. So the the place
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: that we chose to build on is Cosmos. So what
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: for people who don't know you know, you have Bitcoin,
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: you have Ethereum, you have Polka Dot, you have Cardano. Well,
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Cosmos is within like the top twenty five blockchains. In
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: the reason nobody was doing at ats on Cosmos. The
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: reason why we said that we needed to go to
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Cosmos was one It was actually it was the blue ocean.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: And I think you've talked about blue oceans with oh yeah, yep, yep,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: it's a blue ocean. There's not there's not a lot
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: of people who are over there. But then also very
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: different from other uh blockchains, was Cosmos reminded me of
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: where the ball is going versus where everybody is paying
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: attention to the ball right now, because Cosmos is not
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: all these all these blockchains, Bitcoin, Ethereum, there what are
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: called layer ones where basically this is the blockchain, like
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: if you want to build on it, you're basically saying, Okay,
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna try to take a piece of this, I
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: do a little copy code and try to make a
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: weird little copy of it that borrows security, borrows a
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: lot of different features from this thing. But it's also
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: kind of like a Franken sign off of the original blockchain,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: because blockchains were not meant to build these Frankenstein blockchains
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: off of them. So what Cosmos is is it's basically
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: the Internet of blockchains. It's not really a layer one blockchain.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: It is a thing that you build blockchains on because
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: it was meant for that. If you think about Bluetooth
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: and how your phone can connect so seamlessly to your
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Bluetooth headphones, even though they were made by completely different people,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: the reason is because there's a standard that says, oh,
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: every time Bluetooth, every time we're trying to enable Bluetooth,
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: this is the standard for Bluetooth, and this is how
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: we're gonna make this connection. So where I saw the
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: ball going and where my brother like, honestly, here, I'm
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: gonna actually give all the credits to Lex says. Lex
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: easily proved the idea to me, he said. Errol I
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: thinks is the place to pay attention to because of interoperability.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of smart people over there who are
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: doing some really cool stuff. And he was basically telling me,
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: like this concept of bluetooth. I got it really quick
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: because I was like, the way that this is going
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: reminds me a lot of the dot com boom, and
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: the way that we saw the Internet develop was you
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: had all these disconnected websites, but even before that, just
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: creating the standard of you know, the Internet as a whole,
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: it was important to even get to that place. And
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: then things have become a lot more connected as we
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: have progressed, so so that I can log into a
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: website using my Facebook login. Right. So as we develop
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: these standards, the standard is going to be what's really important.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: So I saw Cosmos as hey, they're setting the standard,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: and so if we build here, we actually should be
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: able to connect to anybody else in the in the
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: blockchain world. So we build here, we might not ever
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: have to build anywhere else. Again, the people who are
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: in the Cosmos space there they are. And also it's green,
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: like I, and this is important too. I think a
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: lot of people it's green. We're not dealing with a
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: lot of high energy usage. You uh, you also have
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: uh the uh, the community as a whole is actually
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: very positive. I like that about them right away. But anyway,
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: so the community that's there, they believe in this idea
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: that this is going to be the Internet of the blockchains. Everybody,
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: all the blockchains are out there are going to try
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: to conform to the standard because they're talking about it now,
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: and ultimately that standard has to happen. And this is
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: the only blockchain that's really said, hey, we're setting the standard.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: This is what the standard is. You know, go out
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: and make your blockchains.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Does it does does Cosmos have a token or is it?
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Is it? Does it have a crypto? Vert? So how
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: do how do how do you how do you work
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: with that?
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah? So Cosmos itself is is the standard. There is
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: what's called cosmos Hub, which is essentially the first blockchain
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: built on this Cosmos standard. So if you want to
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: think about it, like like, hey, this is the web,
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Well what if the you know, Internet said hey, we're
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: gonna make the very first website is Internet hub.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Right, It's like HTTP, It's HTTP basically, Yeah, it's like
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: that's yeah.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So cosmos Hub has a coin. It's called Adam.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: It's available on coinbase. It's a way to get your
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: dollars into the whole.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: How much is it right now? As much is it
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: right now?
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: I think it's like twenty twenty seven. It hangs around
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: about thirty dollars. So, and so at the time we
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: when we lost our NFTs, we actually had to do
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: a lot of blockchain development. We had to we had
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: to find guys who could do the blockchain development, which
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: is actually becoming easier and easier, so that part's actually
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: not terribly hard. And the people who are coming into
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: the Cosmo space now, including us, are helping, you know,
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: essentially set up marketplaces so it's easy for people to
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: make make NFTs and mid fts without having to go
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: and build you know, essentially your own blockchains, stuff like Juno,
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: stuff like star Gays and then us.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: So so all right, so just so I can, I'll
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: kind of translate that for everybody in because there's a
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: lot that you discussed there. So basically one of the
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: big pluses you did is you decided to leverage a
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: community that existed already, which is the Cosmos community. And
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: by leveraging that that community, it wasn't particularly ready for you,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: but it was ready for you because it was nobody
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: else doing what you were doing in that community. So
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: that you built a product in that community, which is
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: your IP. He was like, let's put it over here,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: and they're just like, oh my god, you're over. You're
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: over our party. We're going to support you purely because
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: you decided not to go to the cool kids party.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: You came over to us because we're we're cool, but
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: nobody really knows that we're cool. And that's how and
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: and you kind of leveraged that, and that's what built
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: the speed up so fast, as opposed to you going
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: to a general marketplace.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: Uh So the equivalent, so this would be projects just
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: before I lose my chain of thought, it's the equivalent
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: of you trying to sell a movie about aging athletes.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Uh let's say that I'm using this as an exact example.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: There was a documentary about aging athletes that are athletes
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: who are you know, centurions, and they're like, go to
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: the Olympics instead. Uh. Now, if you put that into
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: the iTunes marketplace, you might sell some. But if you
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: head over to a convention that is aimed at retirement,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: homes and they're looking for entertainment, you're going to clean up.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: And that's exactly what that filmmaker did. They made over
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: a million dollars in a weekend by selling rights to
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: his movie. That's what you basically did with This is
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: a fair analogy.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: That's a that's exactly right because the community so so
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: the way that we also build our audience, because we
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: have about twenty thousand people in our audience, which you know,
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: pretty decent for only being around for you know, five
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: five months or so. And the way that we kind
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: of made that happen is, you know, we went and
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: engage with the people who are already talking to people
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: in the Cosmo space. We talked with the influencers, which
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: is a big it's that that's a that's a word
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: that's probably a little flexible here because literally they only
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: had like two thousand followers or three thousand followers, but
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: that starts to add up over time, and then you
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: start to talk to more people or get to know
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: more people who have actually a lot of influence in
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: the space. That seems actually pretty subtle because they don't
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: necessarily have the follower count that makes you think that,
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: but they know all the guys because they've been around
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: for you know, years, and everybody respects them in the
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: space and the second and they can give you an
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: introduction to the guy who actually has you know, twenty
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: thousand and thirty thousand or fifty thousand followers.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: and now back to the show, right and then, so
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: most of you leveraging. You were leveraging the influencers inside
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: of the community to get the word out on your
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: new IP and your new basically everything you were doing.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: See I mean, so that's so you need no ad spend,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: So everyone listening, no ads spend, it's just understanding the
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: community and then going after influencers in that community. And
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: now when you good after them, did the influencers just
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: were very happy. They're like, dude, I'm just I want
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: to support you because it's a school or did you
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: have to like, hey, yeah, I want a piece of
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: the action. How's how does that work?
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Generally? Oh dude, one hundred percent. There they came in
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: They're like, hey, this is cool because the thing about
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: the thing about a lot of these very connected ecosystems
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: is they have many ways to win without needing to say, yeah,
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: I need a piece of the action. Because if let's
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: say you launch an FT collection and they know about
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: it like one, they can they have more time to
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: be able to convince you maybe they can get on
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: the white list it. So white list, by the way,
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: within the n FT world is just essentially like hey,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: you you not everybody's going to get the chance to
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: even buy this thing, and we're making sure that you're
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: on the list to be able to even get into
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: buy it. There's a lot of exclusivity there, so we
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: can make sure we get them on the white list
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: and certain things like that. But at the same time,
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: there isn't a there isn't an agreement essentially that like hey,
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: you know, you do this for me, I do this
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: for you. It's really trying to develop that relationship with
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: them because when we talk to a lot of these guys,
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: it was you know, hey, we love what cause US
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: is doing. We want to make sure that we are
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: supporting that ecosystem and adding a lot of value to it.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: So they're all about that, because you know, when you're
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: an influencer in a very tight arena, it feels like
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: pulling teeth to get people to even notice this space
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: that you're talking a ton of out whereas you know,
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: somebody just comes to you and says, hey, already love
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: what you guys are doing. I want to come in
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: and support that. I want to bring my project into that.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: That gets people really excited. And it just so you
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: guys know, this isn't a ship that's like saled, like
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: if you're listening to this, oh it's sore. You know
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: we're so we're extremely early. Even you don't have to
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: go find your own cosmos if you were to bring
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: a project into Cosmos right now, the community within Causes
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: is extremely hungry. You can't be a prick, So don't
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: go in and be like, all right, guys, I thought
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: there was a lot of money in here, so fork
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: it up. But at the same time, there's way more
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: opportunity than you're probably used to in most other avenues.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Because I've tried to launch projects on Kickstarter like Indiegogo,
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: I've had to ask for investment money. I raised a
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: one hundred grand on Kickstarter, and I felt really good
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: about that one time, and I raised uh or I
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: was a part of the raised for two hundred grand
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: on a but it was all investment money. It was
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: coming into this film and it was just like pulling teeth.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: It was an absolute nightmare. Launching Strange Plan was one
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: of the easiest things I've ever done, and that was
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: the most amount of money that we have ever seen,
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: especially for a brand new IP.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Now, yeah, it's the equivalent of being on my Space
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: in the early days, or being on Facebook in the
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: early days, or being on YouTube in the holy days.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: I interviewed a bunch of guys who were on YouTube
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: early on, and it was so early that they were.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Able to figure out the Sava.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was. I was. I was there
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: in two thousand and five and I just stopped, and
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: I wish it would have kept going. And that's a
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: whole other car. I actually have minted NFTs of the
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: very first I have the I have the privilege of
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: in the honor of being the first filmmaking tutorials ever
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: on YouTube.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: I have.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I minted those NFTs and they sold out
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: like that because I did only one offs on them.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: But the thing is that early on, if you're in
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: a platform early on, there's things that you'll be able
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: to do there that in a few years you won't
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: be able to do so like I interviewed, yes, some
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: I interviewed the Rocket Jump guys who were very big
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: in the filmmaking, like showing you how the tutorials and
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. But they Freddie and those guys they
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: started in like twenty eleven, two thousand and ten, and
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: even then they they were like, oh yeah, man, we
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: figured out how to hack the front page. So we
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: would do stuff to get ourselves on the front page.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: And that's how they got to like eleven million followers
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: over the right. But you can't do that now, like
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: that's that's gone, you know. But but that's kind of
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: like what you're able to do here because it's just so.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: Fresh evolution too. Case like when and they came in,
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: they were doing something different that you hadn't seen yet YouTube,
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: and so even though it was not day one for YouTube,
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: it was still new for the platform. So if you
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: even add the space within Cosmos or any one of
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: these marketplaces starts to fill up, there's a lot of
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: new things that you can bring into these spaces, especially
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: when you think about, you know, well, who is it
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: that I'm that I'm talking to that that needs to
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: buy into this and I would just start that exploration
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: because we had no idea whether or not this was
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: going to do well. It was all exploration, all trying
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: to say, you know, all right, let's just have this
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: conversation with them, you know, let's continue to pay our vision.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: But our vision it was always for that for that
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: U two three months. Our vision was always kind of
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: like only about a month out really for what we
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: were like really trying to plan and so everything was
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: you know, making decisions on the spot, really trying to cultivate,
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: you know, what is it that we're we're ultimately trying
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: to bring to this and listen to people when they said, hey,
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: I love what you're doing. I think that if you
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: just did this over here. So for example, we didn't
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: even consider the idea of trying to launch our own
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: token because none of us were like particularly blockchain developers.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: We just happened to have some people who had a
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: gist of it. We had no I caused to launched
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: our token. People convinced us to do it, and now
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: we're about to do it, and that's a much bigger
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: money raise for the stuff that we're trying to build
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: because now we're getting way more ambitious as far as
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: like the types of things that we're trying to take on.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a multiple, multiple, multiple ips, multiple everything, all right.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: So if you were going to go into the Cosmos
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: space right now with an independent film project, how would
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: you go about it?
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah? So for me, I would try to pick something
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: that you could actually carry on, because there's a difference
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: between you know, like, for example, you know you have
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: the the the point about the like retired athletes. Right,
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: If you're looking at that project and you're saying like, yeah,
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: I just want to do like this one off thing, right,
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know, that's a great place to start. I
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: would say if you, if you're wanting to do that project,
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: think more like the uh the toys that made us,
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: or like brand like ips that actually have you know,
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: a longevy to them, because when you think about the
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: toys that made us, that's something that could go on
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: for a long time and continue to go on have
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: a life of its own.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: So you wouldn't say, so let's say I just want
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: to do I'm going to create an IP I have
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: I have. I'm not doing this, by the way, so
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: everyone's like Alex's fishing I'm not going to do this,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: but I have I have a short film called Red
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Princess Blues. It's an entire universe that I created years ago,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: and I created an animated short film prequel that I
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: created a full length you know, had some Oscar winner
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Asker nominees in it. It was a big I It was
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: an ip that I was trying to launch back in
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: twenty ten before any of the staff appened. Now it
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: is not. It is a pretty it's pretty bad ass.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Is a pretty bad ass idea. But if I would
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: bring this to them and go, looks, I want to
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: make a feature film of this, I need two million
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: dollars to generate revenue. I've got this person involved in,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: this person involved in, this person involved, and I've already
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: packaged a nice you know. I've got this actor who's thinking,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: this actor's committed, this actor's committed. I've got this Oscar
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: winning producer on, I've got this Oscar winning screenwriter on,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: you know, and I create a really cool package and go,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: how would you approach that. I'm not doing this, by
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: the way, so no one emailed me, But I'm just
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: using it as a nice Yeah.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: So the I used the I used the example of
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: the toys that made us thing because there's probably somebody
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: out there who's like, uh, maybe, oh well, I'm not
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: I'm not a fantasy guy or I'm not trying to
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: tell like fiction stories. Like that's fine, you can tell
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: like real stories, but there's a way to frame it
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: so that it's actually a unique ip versus like the
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: toys that made us create a brand, right, and now
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: they've created a brand that's all about idealizing, you know,
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: brands from the past. That's cool, there's something about that, right,
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: But for yours, it's that's easy to talk about, right. Okay,
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: So step one, you got to be on Twitter. If
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: you're not on Twitter, then you're not talking to the community,
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: especially when we talk about cosmos, but really all of
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: crypto uh talk and discussion and and where the real
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: influences are like, that's Twitter. I was not a Twitter
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: guy for the longest time because I freaking hate like
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: the tweeting.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: You hate tweeting.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: I hate tweeting. It's just it's just obnoxious. So the uh,
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: the problem.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
• 50:08
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• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Well, okay, so go to Twitter first, and then when
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: you talk about this package, to me, that's that's your roadmap, right,
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: And everybody understands, like every project needs a roadmap, because
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: if all this is going to be is just an
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: image that lives on a marketplace, then all those you
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: know right click copy guys. You know those guys are
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: all right, they're correct, which basically is like there's a
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: whole argument too, Well, it's just a freaking image or
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: a jpeg.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: If I copy this and then I go mint this
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: on the same place that you did, what's the difference
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: between yours and mind? Well, ultimately, if you have this
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: roadmap laid out, yours are the only one who's got commerce. Roadmap.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: Ideas are worthless unless there's actually the ability to back
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: them up. And that's what that roadmap is all about.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: Out the roadmap says, all right, I'm not just going
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: to make these images. I'm bringing on these actors. I've
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: got this plan for where this is going. So mine
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: is valuable because mine has all these things versus yours,
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: which is just a copy of mine. That's it. Okay,
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: So I would say that step one is go on Twitter.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: Step two is people got to start asking you, okay, discord,
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: what's the discord? You want to go follow the people
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: who are following influencers within the blockchain and try and
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: build on I would obviously push towards Cosmos because I
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: think that's one of the greatest communities that's out there
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: as far as crypto goes. And you want to go
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: follow the people who are talking about projects, especially ones
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: that are in the NFT world, because the people who
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: are looking at those they not only want to support
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: the ecosystem, but they also believe in the power of
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: NFTs and what that technology is bringing to the ecosystem,
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: which is most of the guys, to be honest, you
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: rarely gonna miss. Then from there it's all about one
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: continuing the dialogue with the community as far as like
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: you know, uh, this is what we're doing to lead
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: up to the launch. Uh, these are the conversations that
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: we're having. I have. We have somebody hired on our
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: team who literally her only job is to every single
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: day have coffee in the morning with our community answer
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: questions and then uh tweet out updates and uh, you know,
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: post discord updates, you know all that stuff. So there's
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: a whole process of engaging with community while you're going
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: through this development process, but then leading up to the
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: launch of just the n f TS that first like
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: two months, let's say, it's you know, make the artwork, uh,
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: be posting little bits of the artwork. Uh, find ways
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: to collaborate with the influencers, doing giveaways, potentially giving people
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: whitelist spots on onto your n f T launch. And
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: I mean all these are very like community engagement oriented things.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: But that's that's that's where, that's where I would lay
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: the groundwork. That's where I would say that that's the
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: that's the foundation point of it.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: And then from there you launched and then you would
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: launch n f T s uh So when you say
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: nf so, because it's such a broad term, when you
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: raised money for your i P, were you selling collectibles
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: or were you selling pieces of the Were you selling
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: pieces of of of of of the i P are
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: the owners?
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: How does that work? Okay? Okay, yeah, So we were
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: selling images of the characters that would be in the game,
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: and these would all be characters that were playable in
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: the game. Our main goal was when we when we
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: were trying to launch this i P was one we
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: wanted to want to be able to make a game.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: There were several reasons for that. Because we were actually
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: working on a project, they could essentially, uh be a
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: form of a metaverse project. Everyone started calling it metaverse,
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: We called it a virtual event platform, and uh. We
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: wanted something that we could show like, hey, this is
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: the power and the complexity of what this thing could
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: actually do. But we wanted to be very like, uh
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: uh customer focus. So we're like, let's build a game
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: on this thing, because if we build a game on
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: this thing, I think that people will people come to
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: the game not knowing all we're doing, and then they'll
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: be attracted to what is that we're doing with this platform.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: So the game itself was kind of like always part
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: of the plan. So when we priced out what our
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: NFTs were going to cost, one we knew they were
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: going to be the playable characters, So that was always
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: from the can. We made a ton of artwork around
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: what the playable characters were. And then I've been by
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: I've been mentoring another guy who mentorings. A mentoring is
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: a big word. I would I would say that I've
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: been talking with a good friend of mine who has
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: a pretty big audience that he wants to launch an
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: NFT collection too, And I've been giving him this same council, like,
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: you know, these should be playable characters, or these should
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: be access points, you know, into a community, depending on
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: whether or not he wants to go down the route
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: of makes game or whether or not he wants to
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: give people access to just a community.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: So in other words, I would if I would do
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Red Princess Blues, I would actually introduce my main character
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: or multiple characters. I could create NFTs that were playable
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: inside of Strange clan or another community as a as
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: a way to generate revenue if we wanted to, even
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: though it's based on a movie, it's just using those
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: NFTs inside.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: Of or any other metaverse project. Because that's the other
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: thing too, is so long as somebody is building something
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: on the same thing that you are building, there's ways
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: to make connection points to that. But even the easiest thing,
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: because this does not take a lot of money to do,
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: is creating a community that only people with these n
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: fts get access to. The whole Bord eight yacht club.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: The reason why people spend like half a million dollars
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: on boarded yacht club is because it is a access
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: card into a private community. And if you don't have
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: that access card, you don't get in. It doesn't matter
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: how many times you try to copy that n f
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: T and mint it yourself, it does not matter. You
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: cannot get into this community unless you had that n FT.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: So would you would you like be doing you know,
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: concept our character art as n f T s.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: Would you with our concept art?
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: All that you know? You could? You could do you
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: know anything. You could do a thousand different kinds of
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: NFTs and you can mint you know, a hundred of them.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: You can mint one of them, and you can mind
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: five hundred of them and depending on how you want
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: to do it and price them accordingly. But for an
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: unknown ip. But because I've seen this, I've talked to
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: other filmmakers who've you've gone on to the main NFT
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: platforms and they made a little bit of money with it,
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: and some of them have sold their distribution rights through
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: n f T s and you know, all of that wow,
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: all of that world. But it's so early on it's
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: hard to even fathom how that it's gonna work.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: Like I would say that I would say that there's
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: you're not gonna You're probably not gonna make tumunum mistakes
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: here in the beginning, because we don't even know what
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: the mistakes are. So it's it's it's the.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Internet nineteen ninety seven.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: Man, that's where we as one hundred percent one hundred percent.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: So what what I would say is is, uh, there's
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: two There's there's a few big things to watch out
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: for if you're going down this space. There's a few
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: big things to watch out for. One is creating something
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: that ultimately has absolutely no utility whatsoever, and you don't
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: put any kind of utility into the plan. Like honestly,
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: I would just say from the get go, say this
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: is going to be an access point into a private community.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: At least have that. And then when you do your
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: agreements and stuff with actors and stuff, you know, I
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: would say, try to pull those guys into the private
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: community at least for you know that's on period Q
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: and a stuff like that like that should be part
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: of the agreement. The second thing is is you have
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: to watch out for language that insinuates unless you're ready
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: to do this, insinuates that this is going to be
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: a security. So this is what we're dealing with right now.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Be real careful. Yeah, this is what we're dealing with
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: right now, because we're now talking about our our NFTs
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: are totally safe. Now we're talking about I mean it's
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: all that we're offered any like uh profits and stuff
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: if you own the n f T s or anything
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: like that. The h The main thing that we told
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: people was this is what we're building. This is going
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: to be the starting price. You know, the we never
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: speculate on what the future price could be. We let
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: other people speculate on that. And but the second you
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: say that, hey, you're going to have the profits from X,
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: which a lot of people, even Gary Vee has been like,
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: you know, hey, if you if you're a music guy,
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: if you make an nf if you make your song
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: into an n f T and then just share all
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: your profits from that, you know, uh, you could make
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: you can make a ton of money doing that. Yes,
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: if you're also ready to you know, make it, agree
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: with the SEC and label this as a security, which
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: you can totally do. They're down with it. They'll let
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: you do that. The only issue is is are you
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: ready to go hire that lawyer? You can and you
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: can do it. In the verse and you get and
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: by the way, this is not legal advice. It's not
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: financial advice. Yeah, of course not of course, yeah, one
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: hundred hundred pcent entertainment is just my opinion. But what
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: you can do is you can say, I'm going to
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: launch this project, we are going to share the profits,
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: and you build into your pricing and your budget, like
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: whatever the prices that you gotta sell each individual at
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: TAT with the understanding that you're going to pay for
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: the lawyer who's going to help set you up with
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: the sec to be able to do this legally.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: Man, this is man. We are in the wild, wild
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: West right now.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: It is crazy. Even in the short time that I've
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: been talking about NFTs and blockchain and crypto and all
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: of the stuff that we've been able to talk to
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: about on the show, it's changed dramatically. Someone like yourself
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: comes on and does what they do. Man, it's just like,
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, I had a website in ninety eight. I
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: remember what it was like. I mean, I was making
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: six thousand dollars a month. We'll be right back after
• 1:00:04
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• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Back in ninety seven, but unfortunately my server bills were
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: six thousand dollars a months. I really yeah, yeah, that
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: didn't really cost.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: The price of things goes up, the price of things
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: goes down as development continues.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: It's crazy, man, it is so I remember the Wild
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: Wall West at that time, and like nobody even you know,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: I remember Flash. Like everyone's like, oh, Flash is the future.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: No, it's not.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: So. So many things are in flux right now, and
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: there is opportunities just like there was in the Wild
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: Wall West to you know, put a stake in the
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: land that might be worth worthless now. But oh, you know,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: I was. I was in California and I went to
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Hurst Castle up in northern California where you know the
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: guy that they built the based CITs the canon, but
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: he bought mountain side real estate on the ocean nineteen
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: cents an acre. Wow, he owns I think about like
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: ten or twenty thousand acres on the ocean in northern California.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: That's insane.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: But that was the Wild Wall West of the time. Like,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: if you could afford to buy nineteen cents of to
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: buy an acre, you could buy It's other people were
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: buying other things. So it's the exact same thing we're here,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: but now we're in the digital world where real estate
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: and NFTs and crypto and all this kind of stuff.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: It's still very volatile and still very crazy, but it
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: is the future.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: Is more of the more of the things that you
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: want to see happen. Like honestly, it's a good thing
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: that we have regulators who are now taking it seriously
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: because agreed, what they are saying is is in a
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: lot of ways, they're saying that what is happening is legal.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: We're just trying to figure out how to treat it.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: And so like the Internet, for example, the Internet, like, yeah,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: you have things like regulators, I mean literally, So this
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: is what we're dealing with is we talk to our
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: lawyer probably three times a week, and every time we
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: do a conversation with him, not only do we get
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: an update on how things are going with us setting
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: up some of the regulatory needs, because there's very there's
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: a reality in which we if in order for us
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: to launch the token that we're applying to launch, we
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: will have to be uh, we will have to be
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: a security there's a reality in which that happens. And
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: so the crazy part is though is that every single
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: week we have a new update about what the government
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: is still figuring out about whether they want to treat
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: it as a security or what they even consider to
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: be a security when it comes to crypto and there's
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: constant pushback. So we're literally at the bleeding edge of
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: a lot of this stuff, like you're saying. And so
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: when it comes to when it comes to some of
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: the unknown unknowns, there's a lot of potential upside. You
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: just also have to prepare for the very worst case scenario.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: And that's something that we just knew going in was Yes,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: we're gonna we're gonna have a lot of money suddenly
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: come in, But then how do we also protect our
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: butts when while the government is still trying to decide
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: how things are supposed to go. So always back to
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: that stuffing it.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: It is a crazy, wacky world that we're going into.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: And man, I can't see, I honestly can't see excuse me,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: a future in the next ten or fifteen years that
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: doesn't have this stuff I mean regarding ingrained in our
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: not only society but specifically in the film industry. It
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: is the future I think people will start demanding fungible
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: copies of their movies and music that they can resell
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: in a secondary marketplace. That will become a thing in
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: the future, no question, because it's just people will start
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: demanding it, and then films will start, you know, a
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: studio will one studio will do it. The studio that's
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: the scrappy one in the corner, like Canon films back
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: in the day. I don't know if anyone listening. I
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: just did an episode with one of the founding guys
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: from Canon who was one of the directors there. He
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: basically he directed American Ninja so back in the day,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: and he was telling me, is like, the reason why
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: Cannon blew up in the eighties was because the studios
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: were scared to get into VHS. So because no studio
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: wanted to put their movies up on VHS. There were
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: all these video stores opening up across the country that
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: needed content, needed product, So all the independents started coming
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: in and that's when you had you know, not The Terminator,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: but The Exterminator and all these other b movies. But
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: they made so much money. I mean, the American Ninja
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: ip was massive around the world. And then after the
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: studios like well wait, wait, wait a bit, Well, we
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: can't let these guys make all this money. And then
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: the studio showed up and then started throwing their weight around.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: So that's what's gonna happen here too. Right now, everyone's
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: dipping their toes. Look, Quinn, Tarantino just dipped his stoes
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: into NFTs and and got his hands slapped. I do.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: I'm on, I'm on team Tarantino on this because I
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: think he does have the right to do whatever the
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: hell he wants to do with that. But yeah, yeah,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: it's but I even said it on the show. I'm like,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: imagine if Tarantin or bust out an NFT.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: Like who listens man?
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: You know, well, then if you're listening Quinn, he.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: Was like, hey, I that was a great idea.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: If someone from Quinn's team is listening, can you come
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: on the show, brother, I would really appreciate it. I'd
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: love to talk to you.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: So with Tarantino, did he actually try to like tokenize
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: each of the frames?
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no no no, not frames original copies
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: of the script and he had an audio commentary explaining
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: why he wrote some scenes like complete original and you
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: know n FT. But then the company Merrimac sued him
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: because like, oh no, we own the copyright to the
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: pulp fiction trademark and and the script that we purchased,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: and they're like, so now you're like, wait a minute,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: this is a what this is art and this is
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: a one off. We're not mass produced like there's a
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: whole thing. So it's a really interesting conversation to be had.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: But like I always said, imagine if you know, if
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: George Lucas busted out an NFT for Star Wars back
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: in the day, or Rags of the Lost Arc or
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: any of the Spielberg's movies or any of Cameron's movies
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: or any of that kind of stuff. You know, it's
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: it's only a matter of time before we have the
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: avatar n f T s. You know that, you know
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: James talking through it and there's two of them. Yeah,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: is that gonna be valuable? Same way Mickey Mann l
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: Rookie cars valuable, man or a Babe Ruth card is valuable.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: Is because there's there's there's a scarcity of it, and
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: so on and so forth. But again, dude, we could
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: keep talking for hours. Brother, I really appreciate you coming
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: on the show and explaining your process on how you
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: were able to raise two million dollars for a brand
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: new WIEP. It is a really interesting way of looking
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: at how to raise money for independent films, especially in
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: a world that it is getting tougher and tough for
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: independent films to get financed. Is this going to be
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: for every project? Probably not? But can it be? But
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: can it be? Can it be you know, framed in
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: a way like that could sell in a Cosmos earn
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: ethereum or in another community, another blockchain community.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: And if you guys wanted, the framing is way more
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: forgiving than people think. Also, just why I say to
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: the community like, hey, go give it a shot. Go
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: go like start talking to people you know in Cosmos community,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: in other crypto communities, especially ones where there's a lot
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: of there's there's two different types of people in the
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: crypto world. You got the builders and you got the
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: hype guys. And most most communities are very much filled
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: with a lot of the hype guys, but not so
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: much the builders. The builders became a very small percentage.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: There's a massive amount of builders within the Cosas community
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: and not quite as many hype guys. So the people
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: who The people who are talking right now are people
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: who they're very level headed. It's a very cooperative community
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: because they just need more people present in order for
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: mass adoption to kick in. So the more you find
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: communities that have that kind of sweet spot where they
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: they're in this collaboration mode, they want to be able
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: to connect with you know, other audiences, get more attention
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: all that stuff. That's a that's a massive sweet spot
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: for a filmmaker to come in and say, you know,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: I want to do this documentary or I want to
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: do I want to actually launch an IP because that's
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: the other thing. Two is there's lots of people out
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: there who are trying to be the person who's gonna
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: launch that first major n FT documentary, and I've seen
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: quite a few raise their hand and say yep, we're
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: gonna jump in, We're gonna be once to do it.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: So it's and listen, guys, if you want to get
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: more information about blockchain and n f t S, I'll
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: put the other episodes that I did in the show
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: notes as well, because they're they're plump full of a
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  Speaker 2: lot of information that we didn't cover. But Aeron Man,
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  Speaker 2: I want to appreciate I appreciate you coming on the show.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you a couple of questions. I asked
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  Speaker 2: all of my guests, what is the lesson that took
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  Speaker 2: you the longest to learn, whether in the film industry
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  Speaker 2: or in life.
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  Speaker 3: Hmmm, the lesson I took me the longest to learn.
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  Speaker 3: Probably I'm a slow learner. So it's probably more to
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  Speaker 3: do with patients and planning, because I tend to like
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  Speaker 3: to just jump straight in and not take my time
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  Speaker 3: taking that time in pre production, in setting methodical goals.
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  Speaker 3: Probably planning.
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  Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
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  Speaker 2: and now back to the show, and three of your
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  Speaker 2: favorite films of all time.
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  Speaker 3: So eternal such time as follows mind massive one. I
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  Speaker 3: would say this is kind of funny because it's like
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  Speaker 3: a completely different type of film. But Incredibles, Like if
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  Speaker 3: I somebody asked me, and somebody asked me, what is
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  Speaker 3: the film that you've watched like twelve times the first
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  Speaker 3: Incredibles movie. I haven't watched that so many freaking times,
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  Speaker 3: and so I have to include it.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, sure, sure, it's a great film.
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  Speaker 3: Grateful yeah, yeah. And then the third one, I would say,
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  Speaker 3: this one's tough. There's a lot of good ones, but
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  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna be kind of like basic and I'll
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  Speaker 3: say Inception because I felt like that movie. No, I'm
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  Speaker 3: taking it back. Sorry, Exception, you don't get it. You
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  Speaker 3: don't get it Grand Budapest Hotel, because that movie I
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  Speaker 3: was just about to say that Inception was like Christopher
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  Speaker 3: Nolan's like that was what put it all together for
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  Speaker 3: like a lot of things that he was a lot
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  Speaker 3: of tropes he was trying to bring together. But Grand
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  Speaker 3: Budapest Hotel, it's a whole other lab. Love to Anderson,
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  Speaker 3: I love Grand out of this Hotel.
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  Speaker 2: That was a great, great film, brother, Man, I appreciate
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  Speaker 2: you coming on man continued success in the in the
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  Speaker 2: Wild wild West that is the NFT space. And thanks
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  Speaker 2: and and please if if you raise, let me know
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  Speaker 2: how this goes. Man, I want to see where this goes.
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  Speaker 2: So let me know if you if you're pulling a ten,
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  Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty mil let me know what I want it.
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  Speaker 2: I want that success. I wanted the success Story to
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  Speaker 2: come back on the show.
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  Speaker 3: So I sir, absolutely, I appreciate you. Talk. Well, let's talk.
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  Speaker 3: Let's talk in maybe three months.
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  Speaker 2: Actually that would be an amazing conversation.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate you, brother, all right, I appreciate it too. Bye.
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  Speaker 2: I want to thank Errol so much for coming on
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  Speaker 2: the show and dropping his NFT knowledge bombs on the
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  Speaker 2: tribe today. Thank you so much, Errol. If you want
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  Speaker 2: to get links to anything we spoke but in this episode,
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  Speaker 2: including how you could possibly use NFTs to raise money
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  Speaker 2: or generate revenue with your films, head over to the
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  Speaker 2: show notes at Bulletproofscreenwriting dot tv. Forward slash three eighty three.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening. Guys, As always, keep
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  Speaker 2: on writing no matter what. I'll talk to you soon.
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