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Hit Record · The Schmidt Show PDX

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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome back.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm Mike Schmidt,
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  SPEAKER_02: former DA of Multnomah County,
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  SPEAKER_02: current beekeeper,
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  SPEAKER_02: podcaster,
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  SPEAKER_02: and just general Portland cheerleader.
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  SPEAKER_02: There is a podcast for everything.
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  SPEAKER_02: Seriously,
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  SPEAKER_02: whatever you're into,
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  SPEAKER_02: whatever niche corner of the human experience you occupy,
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  SPEAKER_02: someone out there is already three seasons deep into a show about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: But today we're zooming in because right here in Portland,
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  SPEAKER_02: there are people hitting record and making something worth your time.
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  SPEAKER_02: And there's a decent chance you haven't found them yet.
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  SPEAKER_02: Marisa Leisinger is the host of Vendor Besties,
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  SPEAKER_02: a show for service industry workers,
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  SPEAKER_02: small business owners.
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  If you have ever planned an event,
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  worked one,
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  or been humbled by one,
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  this show is your people.
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  SPEAKER_02: Michael Jonas hosts All American Why,
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  SPEAKER_02: a podcast that does exactly what it says,
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  SPEAKER_02: asks the questions that don't have clean answers.
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  SPEAKER_02: Equal parts expert deep dive and Seinfeld at the dinner table.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's the kind of show that makes you feel smarter just for showing up.
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  SPEAKER_02: The three of us got together to compare notes,
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  SPEAKER_02: swap war stories,
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  SPEAKER_02: and maybe most importantly,
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  remind you that there's a whole local media ecosystem out here
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  doing real work.
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  So if you're already a Schmidt Show listener,
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  think of today as an introduction.
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  SPEAKER_02: And if you wandered in from one of their shows, well, welcome.
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  SPEAKER_02: Stick around.
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  SPEAKER_02: We don't bite.
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  SPEAKER_02: Let's get into it.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to the show today.
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  My guests are Marisa Leisinger from a great podcast that I've
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  been listening to
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  SPEAKER_02: called Vendor Besties.
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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome, Marisa.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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  And my other friend,
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  Michael Jonas,
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  also from a great local podcast,
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  The Great American Why.
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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome, Michael.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's called All American Why.
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  SPEAKER_02: All American Why.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did you want to leave that in?
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  SPEAKER_02: No, screw it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to leave it in.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's called All American Why.
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  SPEAKER_02: Totally fine.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not The Great American Why.
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  SPEAKER_01: That would be another good name.
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  SPEAKER_00: If America were great right now, he could change his name.
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  SPEAKER_01: But isn't that what we're doing?
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  SPEAKER_02: Aren't we making America great right now?
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  SPEAKER_02: We're not.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, I can already tell it's going to be a great conversation.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, thank you both for coming into the Schmidt Show Studios.
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  SPEAKER_02: I appreciate you being here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Studios?
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  SPEAKER_00: You have more than one, please?
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  SPEAKER_00: As you can see.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a franchise.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a franchise.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're just looking for investors.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know,
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  SPEAKER_02: today's episode,
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  I really just wanted to introduce some of my listeners to some
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  other great local
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  SPEAKER_02: podcasts,
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  SPEAKER_02: but they probably have not listened to your podcast yet.
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  SPEAKER_02: So Marisa,
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  SPEAKER_02: why don't you give us your,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: when somebody walks up to you and you're like,
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  SPEAKER_02: hey,
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  SPEAKER_02: I have a podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're like, oh, tell me about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, what's your 30 second synopsis?
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  I still have not programmed in my brain with that because
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  usually in that kind of
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  scenario I'm being introduced as an event planner and then I'm
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  like oh and I have
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  this like we're in the second season and I'm like I guess I'm a
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  podcaster now right
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  so um oh what's your podcast about uh we are four event
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  industry professionals just
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  talking about how not to be an asshole in the events industry
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  specifically when
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  SPEAKER_00: you're starting a business and you don't really know what you're doing um
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  SPEAKER_00: The mostly the value of networking that the value of networking is much,
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  SPEAKER_00: much more valuable than paid marketing ever.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm fully booked every year,
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  SPEAKER_00: both my rental business and my event planning business,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I do zero paid marketing.
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  It's absolutely all word of mouth between other vendors and
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  former clients and
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  SPEAKER_00: friends and family.
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  SPEAKER_00: And
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, and that's how you and I actually met.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Was at an event.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I probably was like, I have a podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you're like, yeah, me too.
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  SPEAKER_02: Everybody does.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, I think I said it first.
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  SPEAKER_00: Actually, I want to be like, hey, I'm cool, too.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, I've I've listened to multiple episodes.
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  In fact,
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  driving into the studio,
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  you just released one or just came out last night.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I was listening to that one.
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  I think my favorite thing about it is at first I was like,
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  this is like for industry folks.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, I'm not a vendor.
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  But then as I was listening to it,
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  I was like,
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  no,
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  actually,
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  it's entertaining.
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  SPEAKER_02: And B, I was learning things like how not to be an asshole.
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  That was one of my favorite takeaways because I'm like,
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  oh,
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  I see what other people are doing.
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  Now I know never to do that because you guys are like,
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  oh,
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  God,
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  this person did this.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, oh.
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  Now I know never to do that Mike doesn't want to be that person
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  I don't I don't and
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  then the other thing that I really appreciate about it is you
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  guys talk a lot about
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  how important it is to have contracts and like spell out and
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  learn and iterate and
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  I think it's really adaptable to you know anybody's life I mean
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  however they might
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  apply it yeah and you guys have a super cool theme song it was
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  written by a local
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  SPEAKER_00: musician
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  I'm so jealous you actually and Michael we're gonna get to you
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  in just a second you
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  have a great theme song as well uh we could hook you up with
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  him I'm sure we could
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  introduce you all right we we might need to make that we
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  originally so the first
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  couple of episodes that we taped there's a song from the late
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  90s that I really
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  really love that was like a one-hit wonder kind of thing and it
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  was in a Ryan
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  Reynolds movie and it never made it to mainstream and I just
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  loved the song and it
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  SPEAKER_00: really fit our dynamic really well and then of course um
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  SPEAKER_00: Mike Schmidt schmidtshowp
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  SPEAKER_00: Hey, can you write something similar to this vibe?
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  SPEAKER_00: We're going for very, like, 90s friendships.com.
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  SPEAKER_02: It gives friends.
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  SPEAKER_02: Which is what it should.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, that was totally the goal.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, well, and the, have you seen it on YouTube yet?
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  SPEAKER_02: I have not.
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  SPEAKER_02: I have not watched.
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  SPEAKER_02: I only listen.
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  So the intro,
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  from a video perspective,
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  is very friends-coded,
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  like,
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  editing tricks and stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're dancing around a fountain?
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  SPEAKER_00: No, we're dancing on a love seat.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Michael.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Same question.
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  SPEAKER_02: Somebody walks up to you and you're like, hey, I got a podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: What's the pitch?
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  SPEAKER_02: What's the 30 second elevator pitch?
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  SPEAKER_01: OK,
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  SPEAKER_01: so all American why it's basically capturing anger,
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  SPEAKER_01: frustration,
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  SPEAKER_01: confusion,
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  SPEAKER_01: the clusterfuck of chaos that we're in right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the idea is.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why don't things in America work?
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  SPEAKER_01: And let's talk about one each episode.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I do a little research project,
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  kind of a diatribe that I give everybody and then talk to
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  someone who knows about
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  SPEAKER_01: that thing or has an opinion on that thing.
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  So things like why don't we have universal health care or why
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  is woke the enemy and
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  SPEAKER_01: not injustice itself?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  But there's a long list of potential episodes that tells you
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  the time that we're on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Endless, I was going to say.
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  SPEAKER_02: Endless, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I would say it's like,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: curb enthusiasm,
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  SPEAKER_02: Jerry Seinfeld,
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  SPEAKER_02: like anger meets like deep dive civic issue.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, pretty much.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, and sometimes I don't have the answer.
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  So people may listen and be like,
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  hey,
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  he doesn't know,
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  just like I don't know.
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  But my whole thing is like,
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  why did we not do that thing that we tried to do for 40 years?
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  So knowing that you're not crazy,
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  or you're crazy,
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  like everyone else,
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  everyone wants to know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it's
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  SPEAKER_01: Corporate greed or always.
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  SPEAKER_01: That seems to be a thread somewhere.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then sometimes it's that wasn't a priority,
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  SPEAKER_01: which,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: right now,
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  SPEAKER_01: a fancy ballroom is the priority.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we're in such a strange timeline.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, what made you want to undertake this?
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  SPEAKER_02: Why?
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  SPEAKER_02: Why get started?
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  SPEAKER_02: What's your origin story?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm often the most focused, unfocused person.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have a lot of things going on and a lot of interests.
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  SPEAKER_01: Same.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: in addition to being a business and nonprofit lawyer,
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  SPEAKER_01: I like media and I like communications and...
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  SPEAKER_01: It's sort of a way to help me deal with the issues right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like if I actually know more about the things that I'm worried about,
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  SPEAKER_01: then I somehow have calm catharsis.
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  SPEAKER_01: I can bang my head against the wall just like you are.
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  SPEAKER_01: I used to have another podcast called All of Your Business.
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  SPEAKER_01: I had it for four or five years, a couple years prior to this one.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that was all about business.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was kind of like an unfiltered how I built this,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  where I'd have business leaders and people on nonprofit
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  founders and stuff like
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  SPEAKER_01: that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And for that particular podcast, that was more about like,
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  SPEAKER_01: Why do you do the business that you do?
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  And,
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  you know,
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  I had people who were like,
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  I finally got a bachelor's degree 14 years later.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this one, you know, I do a lot of business things.
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  SPEAKER_01: This one's very much social justice.
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  SPEAKER_01: And why can't things just work?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I often think about this every single day.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's your personal outlet, but conversation in real time with people.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, 100%.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then the goal is to have some fun episodes, too.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I did, you know, one about why does comedy matter?
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  SPEAKER_01: I did a heated rivalry episode.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have some other fun episodes kind of mixed into the hellscape episodes.
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  SPEAKER_00: You have to break it up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  I mean we do that we try to have some educational stuff and
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  then once in a while
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  we're like this is just a tea story day we're just telling
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  horror stories so people
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  can be like oh my god that's horrendous well I do love your
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  train wreck horror
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  stories I mean you know it is the candy right yeah so we have
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  we just met which
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  it's wonderful to meet you we actually have more in common in
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  the sense of I have
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  SPEAKER_01: had hundreds of wedding vendor clients over the years and
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  I was gonna say we should talk and we should maybe come on our
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  podcast and during
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  the pandemic you know I had to help every kind of wedding
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  vendor cancel all their
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  contracts and you know remember we had this moment in the
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  pandemic where it was
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  like everything's closed no we're open celebration and then
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  they're like no just
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  SPEAKER_01: kidding everything's closed yeah so I had to figure out
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  Social distancing rules,
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  canceling,
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  non-refundable retainers,
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  resist deposits.
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  SPEAKER_01: I had to talk to moms of brides.
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  SPEAKER_01: Momzillas, bridesillas.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're not that bad.
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  SPEAKER_00: Can I?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, I have multiple attorneys nearby.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you love it?
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  SPEAKER_00: No, I love it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was told as a teenager that I should go into law.
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  So something that I reiterate to people building their
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  contracts all the time and I
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  don't know if this is just an Oregon thing but do not ever use
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  the word deposit use
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  the word retainer because deposit implies that it can be
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  refunded and supposedly if
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  even if it says a non-refundable deposit the word deposit
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  itself implies that it's
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  SPEAKER_00: refundable and if it went to court it could be pushed depending on the
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  SPEAKER_00: circumstances that you would have to refund that whereas a retainer
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  reserves us for the date which as event vendors is the thing
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  that's happening yeah
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  um and then if we choose to apply that to or don't like that I
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  mean I would assume
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  it has to be I haven't ever gotten that far I just do because
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  I'm nice but you know
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  is that is that accurate oh yeah that is accurate all you
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  vendors in the Portland
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  area stop using the word deposit please and even better
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  non-refundable retainer yes
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  SPEAKER_01: but yeah retainer implies that
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  SPEAKER_01: Show PDX
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  My opinions carry a little more weight when I have three
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  friends with me that may
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  or may not agree and we have a discussion about it as opposed
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  to me just sitting
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  down and being like listen asshole you're doing it wrong people
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  aren't super
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  receptive to that but also I'm a little bit older than a lot of
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  the generation that
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  is really heavily in the events industry in Portland a lot of
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  them are millennials
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  and I'm Gen X and so I have you know 10 to 15 years of
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  experience in a multitude of
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  SPEAKER_00: environments on most of these vendors and
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm absolutely narrow spicy.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm a pattern recognition person.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I see the shit rolling downhill.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can tell where this is going to go bad.
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  And a bunch of my younger peer vendors automatically come to me
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  for advice.
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  SPEAKER_00: They just do.
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  SPEAKER_00: What would you do about this?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, well, this is the answer.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  Do they ever try to convince you that they should do business
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  based on vibes?
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I do this business based on vibes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I go against my my financial like rules all the time.
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  SPEAKER_00: But for other things, I'm like, you can't do that to people.
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  SPEAKER_00: This whatever it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: So a lot of it was just that people come to me for advice anyway.
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  And then I am getting old and I don't want to do twenty five,
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  fourteen hour days every summer.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'd like to do ten.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I can only raise my prices so much to accommodate that shift.
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  And so I'm like,
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  I'm going to get into education and here's a great way to do
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  it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's do it through entertainment.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not like selling any kind of package.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know,
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  there's there are several wedding and event planner companies
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  out there that have
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  SPEAKER_00: transitioned to education,
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  SPEAKER_00: but they're just selling like training packages.
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  SPEAKER_00: And here's your key to social media success and whatever.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, how about just don't be an asshole?
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  SPEAKER_00: Learn to run a great business.
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  SPEAKER_00: Don't be a dickhead about it.
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  And then your networking skills will take you as far as you
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  want to go based on the
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  SPEAKER_00: excellence of your service or your product.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to do a trademark search for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Don't be an asshole and see what's available.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, and also all the extra side income from being a podcaster is great.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's so much.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right now, I'm the sole funder of the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So...
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, my wife calls it my very expensive hobby.
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  SPEAKER_00: My boyfriend calls all of my businesses my very expensive hobbies.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's better than doing something else, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_01: And just so listeners know, I mean, I had drinking a pour-over coffee.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wait, who poured it over?
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: You poured it over.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: We just slid right into the rules.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's a small room, but we have a beautiful window and a view.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: We have coffee.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: We have a mini fridge.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: There's a tree.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_02: This is luxury.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: No doubt.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: The Cadillac of podcast studios.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's a Honda actually, but.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_02: Well,
• 15:04
  one of the things that we've talked about individually and now
• 15:08
  collectively is,
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_02: there is an entry cost to becoming a podcaster.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_02: We're kind of talking about that now.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's a labor of love.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_02: You do it because,
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_02: whatever community you're trying to reach,
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_02: you want to share information.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_02: But man, it feels like it shouldn't be this hard.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_02: You know,
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_02: one of the things we've talked about is wouldn't it be great,
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_02: and if you're listening out there,
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_02: to have some angel,
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_02: philanthropist who wants to come in and take down some of those barriers.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_02: You know, a studio, someone with some expertise.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_02: Me and my co-producer here, we've been learning as we go along.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, we bump into things and we were getting better.
• 15:50
  And there's also a long way to grow,
• 15:52
  but it feels like it could be a little bit easier.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, what is Michael?
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_02: What's your been?
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you've been doing is probably the longest out of all of us.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_02: You have been.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, what's your.
• 16:02
  Take on the,
• 16:03
  you know,
• 16:03
  the buy in if somebody out there is like,
• 16:05
  I want to start a podcast.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: It depends on how good you want it to be.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:09
  And I've heard podcasts that have amazing production that the
• 16:12
  podcast itself is not good.
• 16:14
  I've heard podcasts that were phenomenal that were,
• 16:18
  you know,
• 16:19
  done in someone's
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: Small living room.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you're is that where you're not now, but it was.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, there is a buy in.
• 16:27
  You have to,
• 16:29
  you know,
• 16:29
  get a subscription to some sort of distribution channel
• 16:33
  network.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: We use audio boom.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what you use.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you have to probably have a website.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: We use Substack.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that as the website.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_02: And that's been fantastic.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_02: That's been really good.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: and you know,
• 16:46
  you have to have podcast equipment unless you rent a studio
• 16:50
  that has the equipment.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: Potentially you have a sound person or an editor of sorts.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: So sometimes paying them.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it depends on what you want to do and how you want to do it.
• 17:04
  I mean,
• 17:04
  I think if someone's interested in having a voice,
• 17:08
  there is a cool,
• 17:09
  you know,
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's a low barrier in that regard.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like you you're you know,
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: you don't have a platform like Jimmy Kimmel yet,
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: but there's people podcasting on their iPhone.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, absolutely.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's whatever you've got initially.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: So it is kind of cool that anyone can do it.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: But do you need money to do it to make sure that you do it?
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: Well, sure.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_02: You guys are podcasters.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_02: You can take the lead.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:39
  I was gonna say have you listened to like you mentioned the
• 17:41
  train wreck episode and
• 17:42
  that was end of season one yeah did you listen to any of the
• 17:45
  early stuff and have
• 17:46
  you listened to well you listen to the one from last night so
• 17:48
  you've listened to
• 17:49
  like season one season two and the difference in the audio
• 17:52
  alone oh yes much better
• 17:54
  insane you guys have taken a technological we've taken it out
• 17:56
  of sounding like
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: we're in a bathroom
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I did start in season one and some of the episodes were glitchier.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, so yes.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for sure.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_02: But I felt like, you know, same for us starting out.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_02: We started out recording in my parents' guest room.
• 18:10
  There was like literally Star Wars wallpaper on the walls and a
• 18:14
  trundle bed behind us.
• 18:16
  Yeah,
• 18:16
  I mean,
• 18:16
  we decided to do full video from the beginning,
• 18:20
  which may or may not be stupid.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so the initial episodes, like the...
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: We originally thought that it was going to be Emily and I,
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: the other event planner,
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: as the hosts,
• 18:31
  and that the tech crew would be the peanut gallery that would
• 18:33
  comment once in a
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: while.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: And it's very much turned into,
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: it's absolutely a four-person conversation,
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: and so now we're all equals,
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: and it's a panel kind of thing.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: So initially,
• 18:42
  the setup visually was Emily and I with a background that went
• 18:46
  all the way on both
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: sides,
• 18:48
  and then Sorsha and Tony on the other side with sort of a
• 18:51
  half-assed background or
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: whatever in my living room with gear everywhere,
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: and you can see the front door.
• 18:56
  And a bunch of those shots,
• 18:58
  like you can see part of the front door and whatever.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: And like, they're terrible looking.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we don't do video yet.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_02: It's we intend to introduce video.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you have to do video, right?
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_02: If you want it to grow and people to see it in other ways.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: That was a comment on your charisma.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, the risk.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: Well, thank you.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_02: That's very sweet.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um,
• 19:23
  But yeah,
• 19:24
  I think,
• 19:25
  you know,
• 19:25
  people are yearning for authenticity and scrappiness.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, sometimes things that are highly polished, we don't want to see.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: We think they're AI.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 19:37
  So I sort of like when something's kind of like,
• 19:41
  you know,
• 19:42
  someone's vulnerable.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: They have a moment where the mic doesn't work or the edit doesn't work.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 19:49
  I think if you're looking to follow and listen to a real person
• 19:53
  then there is some
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: charm to that Absolutely
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_02: Well,
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_02: one of the reasons that I mean,
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: obviously,
• 19:59
  the origin story for me in this podcast came out of my campaign
• 20:02
  and the negativity
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_02: around Schmidt Show.
• 20:04
  And so trying to turn that into a positive and bring on good
• 20:07
  people from Portland
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: like yourselves,
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: who are like the reason this community is a good place to be.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_02: But I think also in the back of my mind,
• 20:16
  one of the things was how successful conservative media has
• 20:22
  been at taking over the
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_02: podcast space.
• 20:25
  And how like poisonous and negative that has been and we see
• 20:29
  that playing out
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_02: nationally and I kind of feel like locally,
• 20:33
  no matter what your content is or why it is like you can be a
• 20:38
  positive voice that
• 20:39
  is a progressive voice that shares the values that people can
• 20:42
  connect with.
• 20:44
  so that's I mean do you guys when I know you're you and me
• 20:47
  Michael are more like on
• 20:48
  the political side Marisa your podcast is not as much on the
• 20:51
  political side it's
• 20:52
  not as much I mean part of that is that in the events industry
• 20:56
  there's absolutely
• 20:56
  politics and a lot of it is um equality for clients and are you
• 21:02
  going to serve
• 21:03
  every every client equally um and so that comes up all the time
• 21:07
  and people just
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: being nasty about not wanting to accept clients of for whatever reason um
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: There's some famous court cases around that.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:16
  And so that comes up,
• 21:17
  but we,
• 21:18
  you know,
• 21:19
  we as a group will serve every client regardless.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so we,
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: not that it's not an issue,
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: but also being in Portland,
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: like when stuff like that comes up politically on a national level,
• 21:33
  because there's another vendor podcast called The Vendor Table
• 21:36
  and they're several
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: years in and
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: The events industry knows them like these are the people we all,
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: watch for entertainment and that kind of thing.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: And they record regularly and release right away.
• 21:47
  And so they're right on the hot button issues in the industry
• 21:51
  and we're recording.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: Are they local or national?
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: No, they're East Coast.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: I want to say like Philadelphia area.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: They're somewhere over there.
• 22:00
  But we record February through early May to release every two
• 22:04
  weeks through the
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: rest of the year.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: And so the timing, like we recorded our Halloween episode on Thursday.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: And we're recording our Christmas episode in a couple weeks.
• 22:13
  And so we don't get super political on stuff that's like a
• 22:16
  right now issue because
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: we're months behind by the time it airs anyway.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: But general things,
• 22:23
  general don't be an asshole kinds of things like AI is a big
• 22:26
  discussion for us
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: ongoing all the time.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: And in the industry right now,
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: there's,
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: I guess,
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: a photographer in Chicago that is taking,
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: first of all,
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: taking other photographers' photos...
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: Don't.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: And running them through AI and then saying that that's their portfolio.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, wow.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_00: So wrong on like seven levels.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: Hugely crazy illegal, like just bad.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's kind of the hot button issue right now.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: And we didn't even talk about it, but we talk about AI all the time.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
• 22:55
  So there's people that are starting out in the industry and
• 22:58
  they're using Pinterest
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: photos or AI photos saying,
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: oh,
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a planner designer and
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: Advertising their work.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, but that's not your work.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: You didn't do that.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_02: One of the episodes that I that I was listening to of yours,
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: you talked,
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: people,
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: clients get their inspiration a lot of times from Pinterest and things.
• 23:16
  And so if you're laying your if you're putting yourself out
• 23:19
  there with an AI spread
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_02: that you've never done and probably can't actually do,
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_02: but your clients expectations are now pinned to that.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_02: That seems like a big problem.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_02: You're setting yourself up for failure.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: And in which case, like sometimes I'm like, OK, go on.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: Go for it.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: Go off.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: Let's watch you fail.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's fine.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: You're not my problem.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: Except that it gives the whole industry a bad name.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: And depending on what they're charging,
• 23:40
  a big issue right now is is wedding industry being predatory
• 23:44
  pricing and whatever.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: And so everybody that has an intelligent voice is saying,
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: no,
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: this is what it costs to run a business.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: And add on top of that any of our years of expertise and experience.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: And hello, the economy.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: We can't charge $5 to show up for you because we like you.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like you that much.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: You were talking about conservative radio and things like that.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: I remember growing up,
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: my dad passed away about five years ago,
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: but he used to listen to Rush Limbaugh and all those folks.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: You're absolutely right.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: I think that there needs to be more
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: progressive voices.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I've been listening a lot to I've had it.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's these two ladies.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: They're from Oklahoma.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: And one was an evangelical Christian.
• 24:37
  And at first,
• 24:38
  I was kind of like,
• 24:38
  Well,
• 24:39
  I don't you know,
• 24:39
  I don't know about this.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if I'm gonna like this.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: But it's actually really great.
• 24:43
  Because they talk about grievances that they have,
• 24:46
  they talk about all kinds of people and
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: And it makes me laugh.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm learning about whatever they're talking about.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm also laughing.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: So they,
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: they call Mike Johnson,
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: they call him,
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: they call him,
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's like Mike Moses Grinder Johnson.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: They call like Trump like titty baby.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like they have like names for... Yam tits is one of my favorites.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: People and just, you know, so I don't know.
• 25:14
  I think,
• 25:15
  you know,
• 25:15
  I'm looking back at like,
• 25:17
  should Kamala had gone on Joe Rogan?
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: And the interesting thing about Joe Rogan,
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: like his episodes,
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: I think are an hour and a half,
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: two hours.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: there's,
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: it's like,
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: how do you have a podcast episode where you just talk...
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh,
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: he's talking about nothing half the time.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: And so...
• 25:34
  I think there is a platform or forum or space for this I think
• 25:40
  one of the things
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: that we have to figure out and this is me getting political but I think
• 25:44
  everything's political so I mean we have to figure out what
• 25:47
  we're for just not what
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: we're against there's a lot of progressive infighting there's a lot of um
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's the type of thinking that we're having.
• 25:55
  And so I think part of why we don't have a lot of progressive
• 25:58
  media sources is
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: because there's either the fear of that,
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: that the person who's podcasting is going to face that,
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: or...
• 26:21
  They're not going to do well because they'll immediately be
• 26:24
  canceled because their
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: view is either too nuanced or too to anything.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we got to break out of that.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 26:31
  one of the things that I really like that I think is so
• 26:34
  important and you look at
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: what happened on the conservative side of podcast,
• 26:38
  like they they wove conservative themes and ideology into many
• 26:43
  different types and
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_02: genres of podcasts,
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_02: right?
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_02: Like
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_02: My podcast is like kind of more local politics, right?
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I know.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's where my comfort zone is.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_02: Marisa, yours is not.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's like not about that at all.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_02: But you still are like there are themes and values and culture,
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_02: like things that are on the progressive side of things.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, that's who you all are.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's so important because
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_02: Mike Schmidtshowp
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_02: and still weave those kind of more progressive themes.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_02: And I think we need more of that.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_02: We need like sports podcasts that are progressive.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_02: We need,
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_02: every food,
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_02: culture,
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_02: music,
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_02: everything that has,
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_02: those kinds of things.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: And Marisa's is different,
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: but,
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 27:40
  I think don't be an asshole is a pretty common general thread
• 27:45
  that we should
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_02: thrive.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_02: There's merch.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_02: We're getting, you got merch coming out of this episode, Marisa.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: Great.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 27:51
  So one of the things I asked you all in preparation was to talk
• 27:55
  about another local
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: podcast so that,
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 27:58
  our listeners who are probably listening to this on some sort
• 28:01
  of a platform can
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_02: immediately take their phone out of their pocket and type
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_02: Mike Schmidt schmidtshowp
• 28:34
  His podcast and he's written several books and it's much more
• 28:39
  about a spiritual
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_00: walk outside of religion,
• 28:43
  much more theology based as opposed to religion based and super
• 28:48
  intelligent,
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: well-spoken,
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: well-written,
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: great sense of humor.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: Gen X,
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 28:54
  it's good for people that like haven't completely written off
• 28:58
  God but aren't super
• 28:59
  excited about a lot of the way that God is being represented
• 29:02
  nationally for sure.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: You mean to tell me that Jesus didn't have blonde hair and blue eyes?
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, no.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: He also was not white.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_02: Michael, how about you?
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_02: What's your go-to or what's one that you think people should check out?
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: Shout out to News With My Fiance.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: It is DJ Ambush and his fiance, Morgan Jones.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: When are you going to get married if you're listening?
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: I am an event planner.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah,
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: their podcast is great because they talk about,
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: not just the news,
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: but pop culture.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 29:41
  they sort of give hot takes on Diddy and anything that you
• 29:48
  think is a fascinating
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: kind of news story plus commentary.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_02: I love them.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_02: While I was DA,
• 29:57
  I sat down with them for an extensive number of interviews
• 30:00
  where we talked about DA
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_02: things.
• 30:02
  And both of them are people who understand what a DA is and
• 30:08
  does and the power of
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_02: that office and why it's important.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_02: Coming from Philly, at least Ambush was from Philly at some point.
• 30:17
  And,
• 30:18
  you know,
• 30:18
  they're familiar with some of the national district attorneys.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_02: And so I hooked them up with Larry Krasner to do an interview.
• 30:23
  And again,
• 30:25
  if you guys are listening,
• 30:26
  I never heard those episodes come out.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_02: I think those are the lost tapes.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_02: So sitting somewhere in their in their collection are these unearthed.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: What did you talk about?
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: It must have been.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, well, I don't know.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_02: we just talked about they I don't even remember at this point,
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_02: but they're about issues of the day as I was the district attorney,
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_02: what we were facing,
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_02: what we were trying to accomplish,
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: those kinds of things.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, guys, let's let's hear them.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's probably it's probably lost.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, release the D.A.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_02: Schmidt Krasner interviews.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_02: They're in there somewhere.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_02: My local podcast that I want to give a shout out to is Progress Portland,
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_02: originally hosted by Kip Silverman and Tim Halber.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_02: But now Kip has upgraded, no offense to him, his co-host to Cat Mahoney.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: And they do a lot of local politics stuff.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_02: One of the reasons that I really appreciated them was
• 31:28
  was that they they will interview a lot of candidates and
• 31:31
  remember when city
• 31:32
  council you know there are a million people running for city
• 31:36
  council like 30 in
• 31:38
  district three right exactly and they did a significant number
• 31:41
  of interviews they
• 31:42
  kind of help you know call out the more progressive candidates
• 31:45
  that are you know
• 31:47
  probably more aligned with my values and then they do
• 31:49
  interviews and it was
• 31:50
  incredibly helpful much more than just like a voter guide being
• 31:54
  like vote for these
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_02: people but like
• 31:56
  That's one of the reasons I love podcasts is you can kind of do
• 32:00
  a little bit more
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_02: of the long form,
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_02: the deep dive,
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_02: get to know somebody.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well,
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: the thing you're mentioning,
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: not to bring up my congressional campaign a couple years ago,
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: but this idea of viability.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: I totally saw your lawn signs.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, sweet.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: So the...
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: Money well spent, apparently.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: Beautiful lawn signs don't win elections, unfortunately.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: It turns out.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: But,
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: the thing you're talking about,
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: or I think,
• 32:26
  is this sort of viability that there's power structures who
• 32:28
  decide if you're on
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: media,
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: right?
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: Or if you're on stage or if you're at a debate or if you're...
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: on radio.
• 32:35
  And so you raise a really good point that podcasts and local
• 32:39
  radio sort of allow
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: candidates to not face outdated viability rules.
• 32:45
  It's very much like we believe in what you're doing and come
• 32:48
  and talk to us.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: And you mentioned KBOO earlier.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: KBOO had me on and was very friendly and that was appreciated.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: There was no questions asked.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_02: It was like, hey, come on down.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_02: I mean...
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_02: When I was entering re-election,
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_02: it was challenging for a lot of reasons,
• 33:05
  but there's the big people for Portland and all the wealthy
• 33:08
  people from downtown
• 33:10
  who own a lot of buildings poured in tons of money and they put
• 33:12
  billboards.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_02: And as we were talking about before,
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_02: like roaming trucks with my face on it and all kinds of things.
• 33:18
  And it was really hard for me to find like a platform where I
• 33:22
  could have long form
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_02: conversations about what was really going on.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_02: Progress Portland.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_02: was definitely one of those.
• 33:29
  Another group that came out of that time period because they
• 33:33
  saw that there was an imbalance.
• 33:36
  And let's face it,
• 33:38
  if you have money,
• 33:39
  you can stand things in campaigns like that.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_02: Mike Schmidtsch
• 33:58
  They came out of that people for Portland time where I think
• 34:01
  sometimes Portland
• 34:02
  were so progressive and quirky and everything that we take for
• 34:06
  granted our values.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_02: And they're just like, oh, yeah, everyone here thinks that.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like, no, you actually still have to organize.
• 34:12
  You still have to cultivate those things like those muscles
• 34:15
  atrophy and get weak.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_02: And Portland for All, I think, has done a good job with that.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think it's really important to have
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: Radio, podcasters, press that is open to different candidates.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: Sure,
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: not everybody is running a serious campaign,
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: potentially,
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: but we're missing out on people who
• 34:39
  Don't have those connections to electeds or media or don't
• 34:42
  raise tons of money
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: right out the gate.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, more of that.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I love Portland.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: It is very progressive.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: But there's there's often like a disconnect between we want to lean into
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: grassroots,
• 34:55
  but then we're going to also pay attention to the media or the
• 35:00
  power structures
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: that tell us.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's an ecosystem.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: We need to build an ecosystem.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_02: I want to take us to something that is the fun part.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_02: We all try.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_02: We talked about this when we were setting up.
• 35:23
  You know,
• 35:24
  you have to do something that's fun to get people engaged in
• 35:26
  the podcast.
• 35:27
  So I wonder if either of you can start a moment from your show
• 35:31
  that you think was
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_02: that is memorable to you as the host.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_02: It was really funny, maybe unexpected.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_02: You learn something.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_02: What is the what's the fun memory?
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we have a lot of fun, honestly, almost every episode.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: Some of the early episodes, we really were extra ADHD.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_02: I hear like candy wrappers.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: There's candy wrappers, yeah.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: We have a bowl of candy.
• 35:56
  Sometimes when they act up like we're throwing candy wrappers,
• 35:59
  Emily is sort of the real empath.
• 36:01
  and real sensitive to everybody's emotions and everything and
• 36:04
  if there's any
• 36:05
  infighting at all like she's the one in tears so we have race
• 36:09
  flags on a little
• 36:09
  thing and she can like hold up the red flag and be like you
• 36:12
  guys knock it off I
• 36:14
  have a gavel that says be quiet or else on it and like we're
• 36:17
  very we don't take
• 36:19
  ourselves super seriously we are all part of the alt events
• 36:23
  industry in town so
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: we're specifically serving the LGBTQ community and the goths and the
• 36:31
  Steampunk and the anybody that wants something that's not a
• 36:35
  basic white wedding
• 36:36
  yeah yeah we're all for it um so we just have a lot of fun
• 36:40
  being super creative
• 36:41
  people anyway but um some I mean Tony once in a while will just
• 36:46
  come up with these
• 36:47
  lines off the fly and it just sends us total fits of giggles
• 36:51
  and it takes a minute
• 36:52
  to recover and I don't know that I could bring up a particular
• 36:54
  one but I think the
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_00: end of the first or second episode and you should probably watch it uh
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_00: just goes completely off the rails.
• 37:01
  And we're talking about Tony being the kid from Up as a Boy
• 37:04
  Scout with multiple
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: badges and like balloons.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: And it's ridiculous.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: What kind of candy do you eat?
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, whatever I happen to get.
• 37:12
  Um,
• 37:13
  like we have Werther's,
• 37:15
  we have Reese's,
• 37:15
  which is a joke because my nickname is Reese's.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_00: And also I'm the grandma of the group.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: So the Werther's.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: We've had, uh,
• 37:25
  There was one day when the bowl was full of Reese's and Dum
• 37:27
  Dums and I we were
• 37:29
  joking around about having a sponsor and I was like this
• 37:31
  podcast brought to you by
• 37:32
  me and like held by Reese's and Tony takes a Dum Dum out and
• 37:35
  he's like this was
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: brought to you by me.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_01: We love a good candy dish with Werther's or those old strawberry candies.
• 37:42
  that look like strawberries yeah yeah those are great uh you
• 37:44
  guys remember like I
• 37:46
  mean this is such a grandfather my grandfather always had candy
• 37:48
  in his pocket
• 37:49
  pocket candy my grandma had butterscotch yeah oh like
• 37:52
  butterscotch yeah absolutely
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_02: it's so gross like why would you next to his tissue that he just used yes
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_00: handkerchief thank you
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: Michael, a moment that stands out for you in your show's history?
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, there's lots of things.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: I always try to laugh because that's how we get by.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's all we have.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: I think humor is everything.
• 38:13
  But yeah,
• 38:14
  I did an episode with Belinda Carroll,
• 38:16
  who's a comedian from Portland.
• 38:18
  And I think the episode was called Why Do We Need Comedy During
• 38:22
  These Times?
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: But...
• 38:24
  She kind of forgot that it's unfiltered and asked me,
• 38:28
  you know,
• 38:28
  is this filter unfiltered?
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I told her, I said, I texted you.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: I said, you know, bring your dirty mouth to the show.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's totally fine.
• 38:35
  And then I think after that,
• 38:36
  at some point,
• 38:37
  she like started telling a variety of penis jokes.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: And then her thing,
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: she's had all kinds of jobs,
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: but one of her jobs at the time was doing whale watching tours.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: And those have to be age appropriate.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: So she had been like,
• 38:54
  you know suppressed and needed a moment to to say those because
• 38:59
  you I forget
• 39:00
  sometimes as a comedian you have to figure out who your
• 39:02
  audience is who's there so
• 39:05
  so that was fun I mean she kind of went off on that so then
• 39:07
  whale penis jokes yeah
• 39:09
  yeah that's called is that a dork I think so actually I think a
• 39:13
  dork is a whale's
• 39:14
  penis but maybe I'm just making that up well it's now I'm
• 39:16
  learning something so
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_02: thank you
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_01: The more you know.
• 39:21
  I think for me,
• 39:22
  you know,
• 39:22
  one of the things me and my family,
• 39:25
  we did spring break this year.
• 39:26
  I got two small boys and this is our first time kind of road
• 39:29
  tripping around Oregon
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_02: a little bit and thought we could pull off a longer car ride,
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_02: multiple legs.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_02: And we did.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_02: It was fantastic.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_02: We went down to Florence, Oregon, and we we rode the sand dunes.
• 39:42
  We went to the seal caves,
• 39:43
  but we stopped at this little side of the road.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_02: Park called Darlingtonia,
• 39:50
  which is apparently one of the largest carnivorous bogs in the
• 39:54
  United States.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: What does that mean?
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like a swamp that eats people?
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it at least eats insects.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_02: It was super cool.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_02: Also, we were prepared.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_02: We were ready to hike.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_02: We had a little backpack.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_02: We were getting water bottles.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's like 20 feet off the side of the road.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: The great adventure.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm picturing Mike dressed up like a bug in a very coffee
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_00: And he falls in.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_02: That was it was so much.
• 40:21
  And I completely learned it from I had a guest on the podcast
• 40:24
  and it came up somehow.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know how.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_02: And then I was like, I'm going to take my kids there.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_02: And it was fantastic.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_02: I love it.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_02: It was like an unanticipated moment.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: Now, are you are you rowing or float like?
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it literally.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_02: No, there's a boardwalk.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_02: And so you just don't fall in.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_02: Don't fall in.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_02: There's probably little risk of being consumed by plants.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_02: I think it would take them a very long time.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_02: You'd probably be able to escape.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_02: But it was very cool.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: But as we learned as children, quicksand is a big danger.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, that's true.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's like in every cartoon.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: As we kind of wrap up this conversation,
• 41:03
  I wanted to give you each the opportunity to tell one guest
• 41:09
  that you would like to
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_02: invite them on your show right now.
• 41:12
  Like who is somebody from the local area at any level that you
• 41:16
  would love to
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_02: interview to come on your show?
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: I would love to have Michael on my show, honestly.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: We have not yet had an attorney,
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_00: a business law person on our show,
• 41:25
  and I think that would be absolutely super valuable for any
• 41:28
  free advice you're
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: willing to give,
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: honestly.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's done.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: You're not really reaching for it.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_02: Done.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_02: You're so practical.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm also so happy that maybe this is a match made in podcast history.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, happy to do it.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: We love to talk about all the things.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: I was a pandemic attorney for 60 or 70 hours a week.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_01: Now I'm a Trump 2.0 attorney.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: I call it another virus.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: Michael, what about you?
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: A local hero, local guest?
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: You don't have to say me.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's okay.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's also Marisa.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_01: And then we slow run into each other's arms.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: Jeez, that's a tough one.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: I know people are waiting.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_00: You could say Mike.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you can, but we don't have to do that.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I would love to have Mike on my show.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we know poison water, so maybe poison.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't really know.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have an answer for you.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_01: But yes, Mike, I would love to have you on my show.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_02: This was just a ploy.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_02: I appreciate it.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I want like a local famous celebrity person, Ron Funchess.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_02: I would love to have Ron Funchess on the show.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: He's like legitimately actually a funny person.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, for sure.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_02: I try in my amateur way.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_01: Besides me, who would you like to?
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  SPEAKER_01: We've all named each other.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there are people nationally.
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  There's a wedding planner in New Jersey that I follow on
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  threads that I fangirl
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  SPEAKER_00: about all the time because she says stuff that is absolutely right on.
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  And if we could get her to even phone in a Zoom podcast
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  someday,
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  that'd be amazing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Danielle Rothweiler.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you're listening, which you never will, but...
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, I do find that people are incredibly generous.
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  SPEAKER_02: And,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: I have throughout my career,
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  I just I'll just reach out to people if I can get their contact
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  information and be
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  SPEAKER_02: like,
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  SPEAKER_02: hey,
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  SPEAKER_02: can we talk?
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  And I've done that specifically with authors of books that I
• 43:38
  really enjoy.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And for me,
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  SPEAKER_02: it was like,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  more probably criminal justice type books that were relevant to
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  what I was doing.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I would just I'd find their contact information network,
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  SPEAKER_02: find them and then call them and be like,
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  SPEAKER_02: hey,
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  SPEAKER_02: can we talk sometimes on a podcast?
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  SPEAKER_02: I've done that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or in the pandemic, it was like Zoom, you know, meetings and whatnot.
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  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, reach out.
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  Working with these nonprofits,
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  doing specifically the dessert dash aspect of those galas.
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  SPEAKER_02: I love the dessert.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's my favorite thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh my God.
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  But it has absolutely pushed me out of my introvert being
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  afraid to ask people for things.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: because like the first, the PDX Saints Gala was March 11.
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  And then I had another nonprofit fundraiser a month later and
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  we did a dessert dash at both.
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  And so I was like,
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  I can't hit up all my wedding baker contacts again a month
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  later.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like there's two that I did.
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  SPEAKER_00: Rod was one of them, Martian Mallow.
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  But otherwise I'm like,
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  well,
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  crap,
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  now I've hit everybody up and what do I do?
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  And so I had to talk to a whole bunch of new people and they
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  were all so wonderful
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  SPEAKER_00: and giving and generous.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the thing that really...
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  SPEAKER_00: Helps me get over it is letting them know how successful it's been.
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  And hey,
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  I'm going to reach back out to you and I'm going to give you
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  some pictures.
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  I'm going to tag you on social media and I'm going to tell you
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  how much your dessert raised.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Marsha Mallow was fantastic.
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  SPEAKER_00: $16.50.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think for your table, which was incredible.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_01: You both inspired me to reach for the star.
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  So Zoran Mondami,
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  if you're listening,
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  I'd love for you to be on my podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: Great.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: Why not?
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think that's a home run.
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  SPEAKER_02: If he's on your podcast, that's the episode I want to be invited to.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can be the rest of the panel.
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  SPEAKER_02: Invite me to that one.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, thank you both so much for coming on.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's so nice.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_02: if you're out there listening,
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  SPEAKER_02: we'll put the information of both other podcasts in the show notes,
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_02: plus the ones that we reference so that people can find them.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_02: And I just encourage people, you know, for me...
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, nationally, these are challenging in dark times.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_02: Things are out of control.
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  SPEAKER_02: We can't, you know, control what's happening in the straight of Hormuz.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_02: But what we can control is what's happening in our local community.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think connecting with people who are doing things here in Portland,
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_02: at least to me,
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_02: is a way to have agency and to make me feel better about,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_02: things when things feel overwhelming.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, community is all we have and it's tangible.
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  SPEAKER_01: So thanks for doing this podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for having us.
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  SPEAKER_01: This was fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, guys.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's a wrap on today's episode.
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  SPEAKER_02: And honestly, this one was just fun.
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  SPEAKER_02: No policy fights or heated cross examinations.
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  Just three people who love this city enough to talk about it
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  out loud on a regular
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  SPEAKER_02: basis for,
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  SPEAKER_02: well,
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_02: whoever's listening.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_02: If Marisa Leisinger's show resonated with you,
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_02: especially if you've ever thrown an event,
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_02: worked one or silently judged someone at one,
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_02: go find Vendor Besties wherever you listen to podcasts.
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  And if you need someone in your corner for your next event,
• 46:39
  she's the one to call.
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  And if you're the type who likes your brain nudged in a
• 46:43
  direction it didn't expect,
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_02: All American Why with Michael Jonas is exactly that.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_02: And if you need sharp legal work done, he's over at Narwal Law.
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  SPEAKER_02: Links to both shows are in the show notes.
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  SPEAKER_02: We also shouted out a few other local shows during the conversation.
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  SPEAKER_02: Those shows are also in the notes for you to go find them.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_02: Give them a listen.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_02: Portland has a storytelling ecosystem worth investing in.
• 47:06
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  that connection That
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  positivity is out there We just have to make sure it travels
• 47:23
  I'm Mike Schmidt
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  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for being here We'll see you next time