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Wander the World: Paying a visit to Portugal · Wander the World with Pippa Hudson

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  Speaker 1: This is catalk, and although we're talking about a specific
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  Speaker 1: destination in the form of Portugal today, it is I
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  Speaker 1: think going to be a broader conversation about the other
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  Speaker 1: passion that I am finally finding time to pursue, which
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  Speaker 1: is the passion for solo travel and for immersive travel.
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  Speaker 1: And we're talking about this in the context of a
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  Speaker 1: colleague and his recent visit to Portugal, which was not
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  Speaker 1: a sort of a quick end, quick out, bucket list
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  Speaker 1: check check check on the major sites. Barry Maray was
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  Speaker 1: working as my producer last week, but he's back in
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  Speaker 1: studio this week as a guest to chat to us
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  Speaker 1: about what sounds like a really incredible I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: use the term cultural experience, because Barry was there for
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  Speaker 1: a long stretch and really made a huge effort to
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  Speaker 1: immerse himself in the community he found himself in, and
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  Speaker 1: as a result has clearly fallen in love not just
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  Speaker 1: with the country but with its people, its food, and
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  Speaker 1: its music, but also I think a little bit with
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  Speaker 1: himself all over again. Barry, I'm looking forward to chatting
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  Speaker 1: to you about the experience. But are we going to
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  Speaker 1: start with some music to set the scene?
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  Speaker 2: Go love.
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  Speaker 1: For those who don't know they're fado. That's what you
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  Speaker 1: were just listening to. And I'm thinking back to an
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  Speaker 1: interview several years ago with somebody who was I think
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  Speaker 1: doing a PhD in musicology on the study of fardu
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  Speaker 1: and spoke to me, Barry, of longing and of this
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  Speaker 1: music expressing something almost inexpressible in words around longing. And
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  Speaker 1: I know for you that song is particularly meaningful because
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  Speaker 1: it represents a longing for a particular part of Portugal
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  Speaker 1: that you love so much.
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  Speaker 2: So, hey, thanks for having me back. That particular song
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  Speaker 2: is called Saudad de Quembre, and that song was written
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  Speaker 2: about a longing for Quimbra. Saladad just quick such an
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  Speaker 2: interesting Portuguese word, which is one word that encompasses the
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  Speaker 2: feelings of melancholy, longing, nostalgia all in one word. It's
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  Speaker 2: a beautiful Portuguese word that there cannot be translated. And
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  Speaker 2: so that song saudad. But I'm longing for Queenber, which
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  Speaker 2: is the time where I spent most of my time.
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  Speaker 1: Now, what was it that took you to Portugal? What
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  Speaker 1: was was there a particular family connection or a site
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  Speaker 1: you wanted to see, a food you wanted to taste
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  Speaker 1: what made you settle on that destination a friend?
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  Speaker 2: Initially I wasn't aware just how awesome it would be.
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  Speaker 2: But my best mate from school we met when we
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  Speaker 2: were eleven in grade eight. He moved there ten years
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  Speaker 2: ago when he was eighteen with his mom and we've
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  Speaker 2: kept in contact ever since. And so when I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to travel, finally take this thing and do it, I thought, well,
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  Speaker 2: i'll have one person in Portugal, might as well start there.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why.
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  Speaker 1: Portugal And why so long in Portugal? Because you were
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  Speaker 1: there for a really extended period. Did you get there
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  Speaker 1: and just go? I never want to leave. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to stay and explore everything here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, initially I thought I would, because you know, you
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  Speaker 2: can get a ninety day tourist fieda and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to use every one of those days. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how, but if I'm allowed to be there
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  Speaker 2: for ninety days, it'll be ninety days. And I thought
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  Speaker 2: I would do many countries. When I landed, that was
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  Speaker 2: sort of the plan. And then I just didn't manage
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  Speaker 2: to leave Portugal. I got so stuck. So I knew
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  Speaker 2: I would be going for long, but I didn't know
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  Speaker 2: that I would do just Portugal for that long.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so the views and question Lliz's talk some logistics
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  Speaker 1: is a Schengen visa, and if you get one, as
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  Speaker 1: you say, you feel like you need to exploit the
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  Speaker 1: hell out of that thing because of the cost and
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  Speaker 1: the anxiety involved in getting one, but berry to get
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  Speaker 1: to one place and find there is so much to
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  Speaker 1: explore just in this one country, particularly is such a
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  Speaker 1: small country as Portugal is. Speaks volumes about the way
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  Speaker 1: you were traveling. Let's talk a little bit about the
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  Speaker 1: sort of the sense of the traveler and the slow
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  Speaker 1: traveler and the immersive traveler that you bekept.
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  Speaker 2: I arrived there with no plan. I booked an ABNB
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  Speaker 2: for two days only and then didn't know where I
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  Speaker 2: would stay after that, just kind of open to see
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  Speaker 2: where i'd end up, and as you call it, a
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  Speaker 2: slow traveler. So I took my time, and I spoke
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  Speaker 2: to people, and I met people, and I knew I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to do Lisbon and Porto and my friend lives
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  Speaker 2: in queenbra so I knew i'd see those three, but
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  Speaker 2: I had no plan for how, And slowly but surely
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  Speaker 2: I made my way from Lisbon through queenbra up to
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  Speaker 2: Portal for days and then at weeks at a time
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  Speaker 2: or I would realize how much I love Portu, and
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  Speaker 2: I went back twice just to go visit. So I
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  Speaker 2: the list just kind of got longer and longer of
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  Speaker 2: things people in places in Portugal, and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I can't leave, I can't. You know, there's this festival
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  Speaker 2: to because they have many religious holidays there, so like
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  Speaker 2: SALGOI is a time where there's so much celebration in
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  Speaker 2: the streets of Porto, with the whole Portu turns into
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  Speaker 2: a parade, and if you know, it's something to see.
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  Speaker 2: And the same with sant Antonio in Lisbon. And I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know about any of these days untill I got
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  Speaker 2: there and I realized I landed in a very celebratory time.
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  Speaker 1: Fantastic. So coincidentally, you found yourself experiencing a whole lot more. Now,
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  Speaker 1: as I said at the start, and as you've just
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  Speaker 1: described that, this was never intended to be a sort
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  Speaker 1: of a tick box experience that I'm going to go
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  Speaker 1: to Portugal. I'm going to go and see the Tower
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  Speaker 1: of Bellem, I'm going to go and eat the famous
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  Speaker 1: Pasdes and then move on somewhere else. What sort of
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  Speaker 1: were you looking for? Was it just a sense of adventure?
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  Speaker 1: Was it just to see things new? Obviously to catch
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  Speaker 1: up with the friend. Did you have a sort of
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  Speaker 1: intention in your mind of what you hoped personally to
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  Speaker 1: glean from the strut?
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  Speaker 2: No funny and not at all. And so I worked
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  Speaker 2: with and if I may give a shameless punt, I
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  Speaker 2: worked with a travel expert that we've had on here,
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  Speaker 2: Paula Martini, who wrote a book called Travel with Purpose.
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  Speaker 2: And I read that book and it sort of preaches
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  Speaker 2: leaving all expectation behind, and I really did. So I
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  Speaker 2: went with an expectancy for nothing. I knew I would
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  Speaker 2: see a mate, but I had no idea why I
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  Speaker 2: was going or for that. And the length of time
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  Speaker 2: was tickets are expensive and the visa is stressful, and
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  Speaker 2: so again, if I can do ninety days, I will.
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  Speaker 2: It's still only one round ticket. And so I just went.
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  Speaker 2: I really had zero expectations or wants or needs. So
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  Speaker 2: it was just like, what will happen.
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  Speaker 1: What will happen? And what happened is a complete cultural immersion.
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  Speaker 1: And you did this very deliberately. Once you realized I'm
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  Speaker 1: in love with this place and I want to stay
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  Speaker 1: and spend the time here and just completely immerse myself. Barry,
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  Speaker 1: what did that look like for you? I mean a
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  Speaker 1: cultural immersion. You made a huge effort in terms of yourself,
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  Speaker 1: not just to the big tourist sites. Tell us a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more about sort of how you said about.
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  Speaker 2: Doing that exactly that moving away from the big tourist sites. Right,
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  Speaker 2: Lisbon is amazing, and biro alto on it's great, but
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  Speaker 2: it's also very touristy, and it's nothing you can't really
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  Speaker 2: feel here at Cape Town's waterfront. But when you go
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  Speaker 2: off the beat and track a little to towns that
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  Speaker 2: I've never heard of before, like Forget at the Forge
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  Speaker 2: and Estrella and Fatima is more known but still very small,
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  Speaker 2: you are dealing with a more raw cultural experience, less polished,
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  Speaker 2: very much more genuine. And so going into these smaller
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  Speaker 2: towns and meeting locals who would then invite me to
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  Speaker 2: come and bry. While they don't bribe it, we call
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  Speaker 2: it that, but to go with them to visit their
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  Speaker 2: family on the weekend, and the next thing I would
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  Speaker 2: be sitting at a table in a town I'd never
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  Speaker 2: heard of with a Portuguese family who don't speak any English.
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  Speaker 2: And the food is stuff. I've never tasted piglets and
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  Speaker 2: we just said sardines less popular, but lots of piglet.
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  Speaker 2: So losing the touristy track and just venturing deeper in
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  Speaker 2: is how.
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  Speaker 1: How did you come from a language perspective, because you
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  Speaker 1: didn't have Portuguese or did you have any going into.
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  Speaker 2: This a little, I have Giu Lingo and luckily phones
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  Speaker 2: are handy. A lot of the younger Portuguese people speak English,
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  Speaker 2: the older ones not, and so sign language, eye contact
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  Speaker 2: pointing at what you want. There was a lot of that,
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  Speaker 2: and eventually you pick up enough Portuguese to audio coffee
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  Speaker 2: and get your breakfast and make your way.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Now you were the one who suggested we start
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  Speaker 1: the interview with some fardhu. What was it about the
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  Speaker 1: music and the way music is woven into the culture
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  Speaker 1: that was so special to you?
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  Speaker 2: Just the fact that fardu is so important there, and
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  Speaker 2: fardu is not just a touristy thing. Fardu is deep
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  Speaker 2: into the Portuguese culture, especially all the Portuguese people will
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  Speaker 2: have their favorite fardhu and the instrument is so interesting.
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  Speaker 2: You've probably seen the guitar, the Portuguese guitar, which is
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  Speaker 2: a pear shaped guitar, and it's unique to Portugal with
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  Speaker 2: such a unique sound. And that Fardu music and that
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  Speaker 2: Fardu culture is very as I said, deep in the culture.
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  Speaker 2: What we just heard was fardu from Quembra, and they'll
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  Speaker 2: tell you that that's where fardu came from. But there's
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  Speaker 2: debates about Okay, fadu from Lisbon sounds totally different and
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  Speaker 2: is normally way more upbeat, and the Queen Fadu is
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  Speaker 2: more somber, if you will. So it's it's huge in
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  Speaker 2: their culture, and as I said, there are arguments over
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  Speaker 2: where it comes from within Portugal. O I enjoyed the
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  Speaker 2: far do you can go to you know, most of
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  Speaker 2: the local pubs or so we'll eventually you'll hear some
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  Speaker 2: fun do your cant message?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just for those coming in midway to this conversation
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  Speaker 1: with me in studio, Cape Talk producer Barry Moray, who
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  Speaker 1: not too long ago spent an extensive period traveling all
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  Speaker 1: over Portugal and immersing himself in Portuguese culture, and when
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  Speaker 1: I asked him to talk about traveling to Portugal today.
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  Speaker 1: He said to me, I do, but I don't you know.
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  Speaker 1: It's not going to be a conversation about see the site,
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  Speaker 1: visit that museum. I want to talk really about what
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  Speaker 1: this experience did for me and the kind of travel
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  Speaker 1: that I found myself doing. And let's talk a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about what it did for you to be traveling
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  Speaker 1: for that length of time on your own, Barry, because
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  Speaker 1: it's something that I do for sort of every couple
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  Speaker 1: of years, once I've saved enough, I do a trip
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  Speaker 1: on my own for a week where I go and
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  Speaker 1: immerse myself in usually just one city with maybe a
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  Speaker 1: day side trip somewhere, completely on my own. And for me,
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  Speaker 1: it's about not having to talk to anybody, sorry, but
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  Speaker 1: not having to worry about what anybody else wants when
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  Speaker 1: they want to eat, when they want to go to
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  Speaker 1: the lou who wants to stay in a museum. It's
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  Speaker 1: about saying, if I'm here and I love what I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking at, I'm going to stay for four hours because
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  Speaker 1: I can. And it is about sort of reclaiming a
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  Speaker 1: sense of myself and my wants and needs. But it's
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  Speaker 1: also just a there's a sort of liberation in the
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  Speaker 1: independence of it. For me, what was it for you
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  Speaker 1: that you discovered about yourself in traveling alone for so long?
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  Speaker 2: I say, resonate with what you just said. It's that
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  Speaker 2: liberating feeling. It's the sense of well, I'm here completely
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  Speaker 2: by myself, responsible for no one but me. I don't
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  Speaker 2: have to worry about anyone but what I want to
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  Speaker 2: do in this moment. And when I think solo traveling
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  Speaker 2: gives you that you will never get when you travel
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  Speaker 2: with people is spontanuity. And I speak. You said you
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  Speaker 2: take a break from talking to people. I talk to everyone.
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  Speaker 2: I talk to every stranger I can find that wants
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  Speaker 2: to talk to me and make friends with them, and
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  Speaker 2: end up at someone's granny's house next Saturday because we're
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  Speaker 2: eating piglet. And it was that sense of just being
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  Speaker 2: able to go with the flow, and you'd never imagine
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  Speaker 2: where that could bring you. So there was that part
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  Speaker 2: of it. And also I guesse you know, this very
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  Speaker 2: deep question of who are you when you're not surrounded
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  Speaker 2: by your community and when you're not surrounded by your culture,
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  Speaker 2: Because I think we act we are and act in
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  Speaker 2: ways that are normal for the culture. And society we
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  Speaker 2: are in. When you remove yourself to a new culture
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  Speaker 2: and society, who are you?
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  Speaker 1: Then?
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  Speaker 2: When you are not expected to act to any norms
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  Speaker 2: because you're the foreigner, you can present what if you
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  Speaker 2: want really and that's just normal now. So it's a
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  Speaker 2: bit of rediscovery and how you introduce yourself to this
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  Speaker 2: new world. And that can be anyone, and that person
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  Speaker 2: might as well be more confident, more friendly, more this,
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  Speaker 2: or more that. So I was able to explore parts
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  Speaker 2: of my personality that I think I would here be
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  Speaker 2: more hesitant to do. Maybe interesting, I don't know why.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, what if that resonates with others listening today? If
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  Speaker 1: you've had the experience of traveling on your own, do
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  Speaker 1: you relate to what Barry has just said about how
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  Speaker 1: it enables you to be in a new place, removed
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  Speaker 1: from all the ways by which you would normally define yourself.
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  Speaker 1: I guess is what you're saying to some extent, what's
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  Speaker 1: ups to seven two five six seven one five six seven?
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  Speaker 1: And if you also want to share some thoughts on
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  Speaker 1: travel to Portugal, if you've been lucky enough to go
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  Speaker 1: there and would like to flag something that you found
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  Speaker 1: particularly memorable we'd love to hear from you as well. Right,
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  Speaker 1: a few logistics in terms of as we've already mentioned
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  Speaker 1: South Africa's need a Shngan visa to get there. In
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  Speaker 1: terms of getting there, sort of how accessible was it?
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  Speaker 1: Did you were you able to fly direct from Cape Town?
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  Speaker 1: Did you have to go Viadroburg? Who did you fly
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  Speaker 1: with that's not direct?
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  Speaker 2: On my first trip, there's three months Triplet. We're in
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  Speaker 2: fact discussing because I've been twice in the last six months.
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  Speaker 2: It's just that nice. The first trip, I flew with
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  Speaker 2: Emirates because I found a good ticket through them, and
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  Speaker 2: flew through Dubai, which now would be a terrible idea.
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  Speaker 2: On my last trip, I flew Andnglin Airlines TAG. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: I want to mention maybe also a shameless plant and
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  Speaker 2: Golo got a new airport in Luando very recently. It
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  Speaker 2: only opened in October. The old airport got a bit
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  Speaker 2: of a bad rap and people were avoiding flying through Angola.
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  Speaker 2: Currently it's great, and so my flight through Angola with
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  Speaker 2: TAG on a cost eleven thy five hundred, which is
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  Speaker 2: also on the more affordable side. It was great and
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  Speaker 2: the airport was great, and the flight was great, and
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  Speaker 2: I really can say that that's a good option and
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  Speaker 2: more affordable sometimes than Emirates.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry Emerates, No, I mean you're absolutely ryan. I had
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  Speaker 1: a look. I went online this morning to say, as
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  Speaker 1: a matter of interest, let me see what the flights
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  Speaker 1: are looking like at the moment. It's on the more
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  Speaker 1: affordable side. You were talking about flying to Europe. There
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  Speaker 1: is no getting away from the fact that it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be expensive, but the flights are. This morning I
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  Speaker 1: looked at a price for early May and a price
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  Speaker 1: for early July. The early May flight there was an
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  Speaker 1: option at twelve and a half thousand rand sort of
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  Speaker 1: fourteen or fifteen tag coming up by far the most
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  Speaker 1: affordable on those July I was thinking, well, it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be at least double or triple that, and surprisingly
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't. You can still right now get a flight
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  Speaker 1: for fifteen thousand. Up to about eighteen thousand had return
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  Speaker 1: for peak peak season.
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  Speaker 2: From one I understand, and I could be wrong. It
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  Speaker 2: is one of the most affordable European countries to fly to.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why. Maybe it's because of the Angola route.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why, but if they're compared to every
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  Speaker 2: other European city, because before Portugal I was contemplating many
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  Speaker 2: places and it was Lisbon was my fa the most
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  Speaker 2: affordable flight to a European country.
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  Speaker 1: So part of the reasoning as well, get your foot
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  Speaker 1: in the door there and then hop off wherever you
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  Speaker 1: need you from there, except in Barry's case, no hopping
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  Speaker 1: happened at all. Part from hopping within the country. Now
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  Speaker 1: that's another thing to mention. How easy is it to
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  Speaker 1: move around within Portugal?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, super and very affordable. Right, So they've got in
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  Speaker 2: the big cities, they've got the underground metro or you
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  Speaker 2: know what you would, Yeah, they call that the metro.
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  Speaker 2: You've got your more regional buses that will take you
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  Speaker 2: from major city to major city, as well as trains
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  Speaker 2: which are very effective. And then obviously uber is in
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  Speaker 2: bolts and all of that. But regional national travel super easy,
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  Speaker 2: very affordable. You can basically get from Portal to Lisbon,
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  Speaker 2: which is a four hundred kilometer distance for under ten euros,
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  Speaker 2: under two hundred bucks good grease, eight rows maybe and
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  Speaker 2: you've gotten from Lisbon to Portal.
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  Speaker 1: That is incredible.
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  Speaker 2: It was very affording. It really was.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm about to travel in three weeks time, and
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  Speaker 1: the prices I'm looking at for transfers are nowhere near
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  Speaker 1: that ballpark. They've got an extra digit on that price
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  Speaker 1: in many cases. Yeah, so that's remarkable now, I mean
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  Speaker 1: so cost effectiveness definitely. Obviously you are still contending with
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  Speaker 1: a round euro exchange, right, there's no getting away from that.
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  Speaker 1: But from what you've said, Barry, in terms of being
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  Speaker 1: able to especially the kind of travel you did a
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  Speaker 1: little bit off the beaten track, I would imagine finding
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  Speaker 1: food in local cafes and when you're not having lunch
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  Speaker 1: at somebody's house exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Cohasively affordable, absolutely, I say, comparable with here, and even
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  Speaker 2: with that rand euro exchange. I found stuff like, excuse me,
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  Speaker 2: but beer cost less than less than here sometimes, ok
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: like a Euro twenty for a big beer, thirty bucks
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: grocery stores pretty much level with here as well. Accommodation
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: less than Cape Town CBD, absolutely more affordable than Cape Town.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: You can get an airbnb for less than you can here.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: So it's not more expensive going to Lisbon than it
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: is going to Cape Town.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's an interesting perspective. Thank you, Alan, writing and
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: saying in his experienced Portuguese people are so caring and friendly.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: I remember a family sharing sardines's assada while I was
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: pushing my tent in QWATERA no English just approached me
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: with a plate of food. I absolutely loved Portugal. Is
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Alan's comment from nurtuok Alan. Thank you for sharing that memory.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: So I'm smiling at the sardines. Bary and I were
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: talking about sardines because I mentioned to him when he
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: walked into studio that I waitressed in a Portuguese restaurant
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: for several years as a student, and for me, the
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: smell of Portugal is always going to be the smell
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: of roasted sardines on a bit of salt, with green
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: peppers and on top of them. And it's an acquire set. Yes, completely.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: So the food is brilliant and what Ana was saying
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: about the culture so true. Really they're very warm people,
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: and especially with tourists, I'd say really welcoming people who
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: don't speak a word of English will genuinely guard their
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: way and try, which you don't get in a lot
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: of other countries. Yeah. No, really warm culture.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing such beautiful insights on it, and
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: I can see some emails starting to come in for
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: other listeners who've been there. I'll share a couple of
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: those after the eyewitness news, I promise. So if you
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: want to slide in another one, please do pop through
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: a WhatsApp during the news. So, Barry, I mean I
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: was going to ask, would you go back again? You've
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: already been back again since the trip we described that,
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: and you will be again that kind of place.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: I'll go back to Queenbre and hopefully one day just
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: keep going back there. I always go back to Queenbre.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: And eat piglet and listen to Fado exactly exactly that,
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Barry Marie, It's been a beautiful, reflective kind of travel segments.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us and sharing it
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: with us today. It Capitol Producer, Barry Moren