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Wired To Hunt Podcast #206: Taking Control Of Your Archery Future and Target Panic with Joel Turner · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon. This episode number two oh six,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm excited because today we are joined by Joel
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  Speaker 1: Turner to discuss the mental side of archery and have
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  Speaker 1: proven science based methodology for controlling your archery shop process
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  Speaker 1: and dealing with target panic. All right, folks, welcome to
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  Speaker 1: another episode of the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to
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  Speaker 1: you by Sitki Gear. And today in the show, we
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  Speaker 1: are tackling the topic of target panic and control process
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  Speaker 1: shooting when it comes to your archery process. I guess,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know if you might remember if you
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  Speaker 1: were listening to the podcast last year. Last summer, I
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  Speaker 1: started talking about how I was going to start changing
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  Speaker 1: how I shot my boat, gonna kind of implement a
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  Speaker 1: brand new system and process for how I go through
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  Speaker 1: that because I was realizing that I do have some
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  Speaker 1: of these tendencies, like maybe something like punching the trigger,
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  Speaker 1: some of these different target panic things, um that lead
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  Speaker 1: to you know, not always having as perfect of a
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  Speaker 1: shot as I would like. So many of the philosophies
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  Speaker 1: and ideas that I started implementing into my own new
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  Speaker 1: process came from this guy named Joel Turner, and that
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  Speaker 1: is our guest today. Joel is a police officer and
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  Speaker 1: firearms instructor, and he's the founder of shot i q,
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  Speaker 1: which is a website that hosts a whole bunch of
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  Speaker 1: different online courses all about this topic of tackling target panic,
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  Speaker 1: tackling different ways of getting control of your shot, just
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  Speaker 1: becoming a better archer and bow hunter, and a lot
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  Speaker 1: of this can be applied as well to firearms um
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  Speaker 1: as well. So this is an interview that I already recorded,
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  Speaker 1: so I know what happens. It's very, very, very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Joel has talked to a lot of people over the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of years. He's kind of made the podcasting rounds.
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  Speaker 1: So if you've heard some of these past podcasts, he's
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  Speaker 1: been on The Gritty Billman Show, he's been on Joe
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  Speaker 1: Rogan's podcast, a handful of others. So maybe you've already
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  Speaker 1: heard this whole deal, And if so, maybe you can,
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  Speaker 1: you know, skip part of this if you're not interested
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  Speaker 1: in kind of getting my perspective on it. But if
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  Speaker 1: you're not familiar with this idea and this kind of
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  Speaker 1: perspective on on dealing with how you shoot. I highly,
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  Speaker 1: highly highly recommend hearing this. It's kind of change completely
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  Speaker 1: how I approach shooting my bow, and I just really
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  Speaker 1: really wanted to make sure that our audience heard this.
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  Speaker 1: So Dan, I'm excited for you to listen to this
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  Speaker 1: one because I know you've dealt with some of these
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  Speaker 1: same things that I did, and I think this will
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  Speaker 1: help you a lot. So, um, I'm gonna I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: give you homework and tell you listen to this after
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  Speaker 1: we publish it, and um and otherwise that's that's the
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  Speaker 1: game plan for chi Zeppe today's episode. But I did
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  Speaker 1: want to get you on here, Dan, at least for
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  Speaker 1: the intro, because we haven't got to catch up in
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  Speaker 1: a few weeks now. Um So, how the hell are you?
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  Speaker 1: How the kids? How's the family? How's life? Oh? Dude,
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  Speaker 1: life is life. It's crazy like everybody else's. Man, I
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  Speaker 1: got we're potty training the oldest boy. The youngest is
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  Speaker 1: now starting to teeth. Uh So, nights are pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: You know, no sleep weathered. I feel weathered all the time.
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  Speaker 1: I fall, I fall asleep when I sit down. Like,
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  Speaker 1: if that intro went any longer today's podcast, I probably
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  Speaker 1: would have fallen asleep. That might be applying to everyone
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  Speaker 1: listening not to see that might have been more my
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  Speaker 1: issue than anyone's. But no, but man, other than that's good,
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  Speaker 1: I tell you what. Um, this this March has been
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  Speaker 1: awesome for the pure fact that I've went shed hunting
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  Speaker 1: four times. That's like two or three more times than
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  Speaker 1: last year. So I was able to get out and
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  Speaker 1: do a little bit more shed hunting this march. One
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  Speaker 1: of those times was with you and Ben and the
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  Speaker 1: crew at the shed Rally. And then I went last
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  Speaker 1: weekend as well this past weekend as well, back up
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  Speaker 1: on my main property and found a couple of anglers. So, UM,
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  Speaker 1: I I ended up with sixteen. How does that? How
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  Speaker 1: does that rank with your past good years? UM? I
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  Speaker 1: think you know, to be honest with you, I think
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  Speaker 1: I want to say, like in the twenties has been
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  Speaker 1: my best year ever? Uh, somewhere in the twenties, but
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  Speaker 1: that one had one day when I found nine, I
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  Speaker 1: wish that I could have went out and continued walking
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  Speaker 1: other places you know, uh that were similar to that.
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  Speaker 1: I just feel like this year would have been a
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  Speaker 1: great year to find more sheds, But because you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a responsible father and husband, Uh, I can't go
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  Speaker 1: I can't go out shed hunting every day, self proclaimed
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  Speaker 1: responsible father. Sixteen sheds is not bad though, man, not
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  Speaker 1: at all. No, and every one of them, Every every
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  Speaker 1: step that I took looking for those sixteen was an
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  Speaker 1: absolute blast, just because I was outside. Yeah, man, that's
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  Speaker 1: what's all about. So in last week's episode, Ben, myself, Peter,
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  Speaker 1: and Ross got to talk about the shed rally day,
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  Speaker 1: but you couldn't join us for that, so we just
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  Speaker 1: got to talk about you behind your back. Do you
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  Speaker 1: want to know? Do you want to offer your own
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  Speaker 1: perspective on anything on the day, anything you want to add? No, man,
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  Speaker 1: it was it was fun, and uh, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: just have to respond because I listened to that podcast
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  Speaker 1: this morning just to make sure you know. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't care what anybody says. My wife and I were
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  Speaker 1: walking that buffer strip and you guys pulled right in
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  Speaker 1: front of us and we were going to find all
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  Speaker 1: those sheds. Yeah, you really would have. I do feel
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  Speaker 1: I do feel bad, but I I feel I'm vindicated
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  Speaker 1: because I had no control over where we were going.
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  Speaker 1: I was writing, I had no hands and steering wheels,
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't find any sheds anyways there, so but
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  Speaker 1: Peter Peter scooped up two good ones and then there
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  Speaker 1: was like three other small ones in that one little section.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine if we hadn't gone there and you
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  Speaker 1: walked that whole strip and then the whole next strip
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  Speaker 1: that you guys went to, we would have found like
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  Speaker 1: nine sheds. I know it was. It would have been, uh,
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  Speaker 1: let's see one to three and then yeah, somewhere around
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  Speaker 1: nine sheds at nine or ten. Yeah, and in what
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  Speaker 1: two buffer three buffer strips that were right next to
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  Speaker 1: each other basically, I mean like a five acre area, right,
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  Speaker 1: But no, it was It was fun because what that
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  Speaker 1: did is that forced me and my wife to bump
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  Speaker 1: over to the next next one and she walked to
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  Speaker 1: the smaller one where she found a really good one,
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  Speaker 1: and then I found two more there, so, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and and at the end of the day, it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: finding sheds is fun, but it's fun to you know,
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  Speaker 1: share good times. I just kind of wish I was
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  Speaker 1: at the hotel to record the podcast so I could
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  Speaker 1: defend myself when you guys started talking on me. Well,
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  Speaker 1: here's the thing. Here's the thing. Then you're actually lucky
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  Speaker 1: that you couldn't stick around for that because Ben had
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  Speaker 1: the flu. We didn't know it, but Ben had the flu.
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  Speaker 1: So that night he had been around his least partner
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  Speaker 1: Ryan the next so, so Sunday Ben text me and says, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I got the flu. Just f y I. Monday night,
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  Speaker 1: his least partner Ryan texted me and said, hey, just
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  Speaker 1: f y I. I got the flu now too. And
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  Speaker 1: then middle of the night Monday night, I got it
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  Speaker 1: and I went down for the count all the way
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  Speaker 1: through like Thursday. So right, so it's kind of good
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  Speaker 1: thing you avoided the hotel room of death. I'm pretty
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  Speaker 1: much immune to everything this year. I've gotten the flu twice.
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  Speaker 1: My kids have each got in a handful of times.
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  Speaker 1: Like you know, other kids just got over it. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure it was one of the strains that I
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  Speaker 1: already had. Well, there you go, one of the perks
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  Speaker 1: of being a dad with three kids. So you've got
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  Speaker 1: sixteen sheds, man, I'm at fourteen sheds of the year. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but two of those were given to me. One was
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  Speaker 1: given me by landowner. One was given to me because
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  Speaker 1: it was a match that type situation. So technically I've
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  Speaker 1: only found twelve, but that's tied for my best shed
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  Speaker 1: hunting year. Um. And if you count just how many
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  Speaker 1: antlers I have home with me now, I'm having my
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  Speaker 1: best antler year ever. And knock on wood, fingers crossed.
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  Speaker 1: I'm heading off to North Dakota this Saturday for a
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  Speaker 1: week of which a significant portion of that will be
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  Speaker 1: hiking and shed hunting and scouting, which could lead to
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  Speaker 1: a bunch more sheds. So I have potential to have
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  Speaker 1: my very best shed hunting year if this goes the
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  Speaker 1: way I'm hoping it will awesome. What do you got
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  Speaker 1: went up there? You're gonna scout for a hunt? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: sort of. Um, So I'm on. I get this project
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  Speaker 1: that I've talked about for a while now that I'm
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  Speaker 1: working on. So I'm heading to the bad lands of
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  Speaker 1: North Dakota around where Theodore Roosevelt's ranches were. So he
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  Speaker 1: went out to the bad lands in North Dakota in
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  Speaker 1: the late eighteen hundreds and spend some really um, some
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  Speaker 1: really influential years in his life there ranching and hunting
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  Speaker 1: and exploring that area, So I'm gonna go spend some
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  Speaker 1: time kind of walking his footsteps to do some thinking
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  Speaker 1: and seeing some of the same places he did. And
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  Speaker 1: at the same time, I'm also going to use as
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  Speaker 1: an excuse to scout for potential future hunt out in
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  Speaker 1: that area and then of course hopefully find some antlers.
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  Speaker 1: So I know that further further strongly considering doing a
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  Speaker 1: hunt out there, and he's going to tag along with
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  Speaker 1: me for the trip to UM so one of the
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  Speaker 1: two of us, maybe we'll hunt there this fall. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure, but if it, if it goes away, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's gonna go based on what I think I
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  Speaker 1: know about the area. There's a lot of sections along
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  Speaker 1: these rivers where a lot of white tails are crammed
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  Speaker 1: in a small space that that could lead to a
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  Speaker 1: lot of antlers being out there. So I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what to expect. I've never I've never
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  Speaker 1: been in this area before UM, but I've heard good things,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm excited. If if nothing else, it's just gonna
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  Speaker 1: be awesome to get out there, be camping for a
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  Speaker 1: week in the fresh air, big huge vistas. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I have hung out in Theodore Roosevelt National Park, um,
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  Speaker 1: which is sort of near where we're gonna be, and
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  Speaker 1: that is just gorgeous, gorgeous country, So I know it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be great scenery. So what state is it? North
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  Speaker 1: or South Dakota? North Dakota. Alright, North Dakota since two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and eleven has seen a thirty decrease in hunters,
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  Speaker 1: with a total number of a license sold of sixty thousand.
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  Speaker 1: I got my q d M a report right in
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  Speaker 1: front of me. So so with that said, that's good
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  Speaker 1: for nonresident hunters who want to go there to hunt,
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  Speaker 1: because it's I mean, it's not good overall, but it's
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  Speaker 1: good for guys looking to go to out of state
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  Speaker 1: hunts because you're you're running into less opposition. That is
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  Speaker 1: a that's a silver lining to the declining trends and
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  Speaker 1: hunting numbers. That's true. Um. Yeah, And I think North
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  Speaker 1: Dakota is one of those states. I think both of
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  Speaker 1: the Dakotas are one of those two of those states
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  Speaker 1: that probably fly under the white tail hunting radar for
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people. Um, I keep on hearing so
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  Speaker 1: many good things about the white tails out there. I
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  Speaker 1: think that they can be impacted by tough winners. There
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  Speaker 1: have been some e h D outbreaks that have knocked
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  Speaker 1: out localized population is pretty bad. But from what I
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  Speaker 1: gather right now, they're doing pretty good. Um. And it's
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  Speaker 1: very it's very similar to the stuff I've done in
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  Speaker 1: Montana the past couple of years. So I know, I
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  Speaker 1: just love that kind of thing. So yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'm pumped. I'm excited to get out there and just
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  Speaker 1: you know, I need I need some adventure my life.
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  Speaker 1: I've been stuck in the house for a long time now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm ready to get out and hike around. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: do some backpacking, some shed hunting, some just hiking around, camping,
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  Speaker 1: all that kind of good stuff. So it's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a good trip. I'm gonna try to maybe record a
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  Speaker 1: podcast out there with Josh Um. I'm gonna try if
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  Speaker 1: we have good cell service. I'm gonna post maybe daily
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  Speaker 1: or every other day YouTube videos updating how the trip
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  Speaker 1: is going, what we're doing, what we're finding. Um, So
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  Speaker 1: following check out the YouTube channel for all that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And you drive in or flying. We're driving okay, so
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  Speaker 1: you I don't know, are you going through the up No,
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  Speaker 1: the our route will take us up through southern Wisconsin,
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  Speaker 1: southern Minnesota, and then into North Dakota. I was gonna say,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to kidnap me, you know it'd be
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  Speaker 1: all right. Can you get away for nine days? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: If you kidnap me, will be all right, and you'll
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  Speaker 1: you'll tell your wife. I had no control over the matter. No,
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  Speaker 1: they hit me with a hammer over the head and
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  Speaker 1: I can't. I can't come back. I help you exactly,
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  Speaker 1: very sincere cry for help right there, right Well, I'll
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  Speaker 1: send pictures nine days. Is the wife coming with you? No, no,
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  Speaker 1: she's not, but she's give me the green light. Wow. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she's cheating on you. We do joke about how she
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  Speaker 1: has a rental boyfriend that probably comes in when I leave. Yeah. Man,
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  Speaker 1: she's very understanding, maybe to understanding, but yeah, I am
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  Speaker 1: a little concerned about that. You know, it's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: hard to be away from the boy for a while.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, I know that she'll have a lot in
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  Speaker 1: her hands. But um, test the waters. We'll see how
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  Speaker 1: it goes. And he's been knocked on wood. Like I've
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  Speaker 1: said in the past, he's been a really great baby
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  Speaker 1: so far, super chill. He's only waking up once a
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  Speaker 1: night right now. Um, he's holding his head up pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: He's starting to smile and like he really like looks
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  Speaker 1: at you and sees you now, So that's getting that's
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  Speaker 1: getting really cool. So what's the squatting? Uh? Cool? Three
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  Speaker 1: fifty at this point. But he's got in your room
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  Speaker 1: for improvement exactly. He's already doing better than dead. That's
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  Speaker 1: all I could ask for. But yeah, man, that's my story. Um,
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  Speaker 1: anything else that you wanna hit on here before we
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  Speaker 1: toss it over to the archery talk? No, man, I'm
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to listening to this one because at
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  Speaker 1: just like you, you know, I definitely need to practice
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  Speaker 1: on my archery, my my archery part of bow hunting. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And what I really like about Joel's whole philosophy on
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  Speaker 1: this is that it's really all focused on the mental
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  Speaker 1: side of things. It's all about your mental process and
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  Speaker 1: understanding a big part of what he talks about is
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  Speaker 1: understanding the science behind this and why our mind and
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  Speaker 1: body reacts in certain ways, and then accounting for that
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  Speaker 1: and dealing with that using some simple methodology. That that Man,
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  Speaker 1: this is the most interesting archery stuff I've found Yet
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  Speaker 1: in all my years trying to become a better archer
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  Speaker 1: and reading on stuff and listening to seminars and blah
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  Speaker 1: blah blah, this stuff has resonated with me the most
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  Speaker 1: and it's helped me the most so far. So I think,
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  Speaker 1: I think you'll like it. Damn. So I'm ready. Let's
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  Speaker 1: reconvene in a a week and until next time, we'll take
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: a quick break for our Sita Gear story of the Day.
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  Speaker 1: For this week's sick of story, we're joined by Drake Pollard,
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  Speaker 1: who tells us about a special tree on his northern
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  Speaker 1: Missouri property. UM. I think for me, UM, the first
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  Speaker 1: time I get to north central Missouri for hunting, uh,
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  Speaker 1: this year and in many years before. UM, I go
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  Speaker 1: to my family farm and I visit a stand or
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  Speaker 1: a tree that my grandfather hunted when he was growing up.
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  Speaker 1: And and my family and friends, we've we've used this
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  Speaker 1: location many of times, but it's predominantly myself that hunts
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  Speaker 1: up there now and UM, every time I visit the farm,
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  Speaker 1: I go to that stand, I go and sit there.
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  Speaker 1: My grandfather was in avid hunter. UM. He taught us,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the ethical way of doing the right and
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  Speaker 1: wrong and and how things need to be handled. Um
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  Speaker 1: as an outdoorsman and UM as a kid he passed away,
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  Speaker 1: and UM for me to go to that tree, um
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  Speaker 1: to pay my respects figuratively speaking, UM, I just feel
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  Speaker 1: a sense of connection when he's still there. UM. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's important for hunters to to maybe get back
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  Speaker 1: to that a little bit in misday and age and
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  Speaker 1: maybe figure out, you know, exactly why we do what
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  Speaker 1: we do. UM. Whenever we have an opportunity to visit
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  Speaker 1: a special place, such like my farm in northern Missouri.
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  Speaker 1: So UM, I know as a white tail hunter, that
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  Speaker 1: always gets me excited every year to to visit that
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  Speaker 1: section of the farm. UM and just pay my tribute,
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  Speaker 1: my respects to him. On Drake's early season haunts, he
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: wears sick As Equinox system. If you'd like to create
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  Speaker 1: a sick of story of your own, or to learn
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  Speaker 1: dot com. All right with me on the line now
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  Speaker 1: is Joel Turner. Welcome to the schoed Joel, thanks for
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  Speaker 1: having me. Yeah, I'm glad to have you here because
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  Speaker 1: I think it was last spring or summer. Um, I
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: first ran across you out there on the innerwebs on
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  Speaker 1: another podcast, and it came Your message came to me
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  Speaker 1: at an important time because I was dealing with some
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  Speaker 1: challenges from an archery perspective myself, and when I heard
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  Speaker 1: what you had to say, it resonated and I started
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  Speaker 1: making some changes and implementing a lot of what you
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  Speaker 1: had to say into my archery regiment last spring, summer
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  Speaker 1: and into the fall. So you've become a part of
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  Speaker 1: my life over the last year, Joel, regardless of whether
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: you know it or not. Because of that, though, I
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: want to make sure that our audience here got a
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: chance to learn this stuff too, because I've kind of
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: I've tried to talk about some of these things myself,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: but I know I'm not able to communicate as effectively
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: and um and as much detail as as, of course
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: you can. So I wanted to today dive in deep
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: on your whole philosophy when it comes to how to
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: you know, how to be come a better archer, how
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: to handle some of the challenges that we have as archers.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: But I guess before I ramble any further, Joel, can
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: you can you give us just the quick Joel Turner
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: one oh one, who are you? What are you doing?
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: How did you end up here? Well, I you know,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: I started shooting a bow when I was seven years old,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: and it was not pretty. You know, I had no instruction,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: just like most people. You know, most people just start
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: out shooting a bow because they love it and they
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: love to see arrows fly. And but I wasn't good
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: at it. And you know, by the time I was
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: eight or nine years old, I'm locked off target, target panic,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: not even knowing what that was. You know, I was
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: back in the early eighties, and uh so, you know,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: life progressed and I didn't get any better at shooting.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: But I loved shooting. I mean I would shoot my
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: bow until my fingers bled. But I never got any better.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't until I started taking on jobs like
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: with the USDA Wildlife Services and then as a law
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: enforcement officer that my shooting had to improve or you know,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: it meant your job or possibly your life or whatever.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: So it was finding a determination to actually get better
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: and to figure out how to get better. And that's
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: what led me to all the research that I've done
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, it's it's not necessarily a philosophy.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: It's not my opinion. This is how your mind really
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: works under stress and in shooting. So it's it's really cool,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: and it's difficult for people to deny where they are
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: in their shooting. You know, you know whether you're locked
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: off target or not. You know, whether you're punching the
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: trigger or if you're shooting a stick both, if you're
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: not getting a full draw, you know that. But and
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: people are searching for the information on how to how
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: to get out of this stuff. And we have definitely
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: cracked the code, but it takes some serious determination and
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: people read their turning points. So that's hopefully what we'll
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: be talking about today. Yeah, and that's something I've that
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I found really fascinating about how you approach this topic,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: is that focus on the science and on the mental
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: perspective of things. Because there's tons of content out there.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: There's all sorts of articles and videos and podcasts about
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: you know, choosing the right archery equipment or how to
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: get proper archery form, or you know, how to get
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: the right weight for your arrow, you know, relative to
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: your broad head and this thing or that thing, But
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: there's not a whole lot about what's actually going on
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: in between your ears, and the way I see it,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I think there's a whole lot going on there that
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: translates to success or failure downrange or in the field.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: So why is it that you approach shooting from this
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: mental perspective? Well, it was born out of necessity, you know,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: because I wasn't. I I'm completely enthralled with hunting and
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: archery and shooting and it's my life right so, but
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I for some reason have an ability to learn from
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: my mistakes very acutely. So, uh, you know, just wanting
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: that control is what led me to to do the
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: research and to do the experiments. And I've been in
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: some very unique training arenas where you know, I was
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: the lead fireman. Once I gained control of this stuff,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I became the lead firems instructor for Washington State at
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: the Basic Law Enforcement Academy, and I had control of
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: my own shot, but I had to be able to
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: relay that information to another police officer. And it basically
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: came down to the reality that there are some precision,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: precision situations where if you don't concentrate on the pressing
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: of that trigger on your shot activation movement, you will
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: not be successful. And the science of that is is,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: you know, the core problem in shooting. That's what led
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: me to the core problem that most people will have missed.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: We've been dancing around this issue for a long time.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: But the core problem and shooting, no matter what weapons
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: system you're shooting, is that your mind will not allow
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: you to cause your body impact as a surprise. But
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: is that not what we've always chased the surprise break,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: the surprise shot, right, But if you don't know how
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: to get it, you're you're just dancing around it. So
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: understanding the core problem and then being able to apply
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: that and basically learn how to consciously defy human nature.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: The reason that all archers and all shooters are dealing
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: with these issues is because of that core problem. I mean,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: it's your subconscious is not looking to be accurate. It
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: is looking to be efficient, and it's much more efficient
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: and calming to be held off of the target and
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: then jump your pin to the target and uch the
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: trigger at the same time. It becomes this linked motor
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: program that just it's very, very efficient, and under an
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: adrenaline load, you become extremely efficient, ultra efficient if you
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: will and you shoot this shot that came from La
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: La land that you've never shot before, right, So, and
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: everybody is experiencing these things. Those that have got themselves
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: out of target panic are those people that have reached
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: a determination point, a turning point, if you will, to
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: where they said themselves on one shot, i am not
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: going to do this again. They may have missed numerous critters,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: or they may they may have been kind of this
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: ice cold person from the start, But there's nobody that's
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: born with this skill. You you may be born with
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: a skill to make decisions, and that's the true skill,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: is your decision making, funneling your determination. But there are
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: a lot of folks out there that are just trying
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: to do good, right, and that's not a plan for
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: how to do good, you know. So that led me
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: to all the research and all of the experimentation, and
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: being the lead firms instructor, I was able to experiment
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: on lots of recruits to actually formulate this science. And
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I took certain classes and um advanced concepts and motor
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: learning and performance and figured out, you know, the control
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: systems that are in your mind and how that relates
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: to shooting. So it's just fascinating stuff and I get
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: to watch the transformation in every one of my clinics.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: It's so cool to see. Can you drill in a
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: little bit more into the detail on how this stuff
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: manifests itself. You give one example of you know, how
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: the mind finds to be more efficient to hold off
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: and then jump to the target. That being one way,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: but I know there's a handful of other ways that
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: this can kind of come out this core problem with shooting.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Can you can you share some more examples, are some
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: more detail around what this looks like. You know, what's
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: what's the problem or the actual physical experience that we
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: might be dealing with that we can now wrap our
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: head around and say, okay, yes, this is that problem. Right.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: So it's natural for you to to to link motor
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: programs right between your trigger and being on target, because
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: that's what makes sense to your mind. When you first
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: shot your bow, right or whoever is out there right,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: when you first shot your bow, you drew the bow back.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Let's say you're shooting a compound sites and release. You
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: went down to the shop, you bought a new bow.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: They showed you how to use it, and the instruction
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: that you got was to draw back put your pin
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: on the target and then squeeze the trigger. Right. Well,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: the first time you shot your bow, no problem. You
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: drew back and you put your pin on target and
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: squeeze the trigger, and you're very cognitive about it, because
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: that's how the mind learns. It's very cognitive at the
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: start any movement do. You learn very cognitive at this
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: art and then you practice, and you practice with the
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: goal of becoming automatic. That's how we practice, or how
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: we figure out how to swing a baseball bat, how
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: to throw a baseball, how to do pretty much any movement.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Our goal is automaticity. Right, So the first time you
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: did it, very cognitive, which pin on, squeeze the trigger.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: And then you practice and you get more and more efficient.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: So now you put your pin on, then you squeeze
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: trigger a little faster and you still get the same result.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: So your mind's like, yeah, perfect, that this is exactly
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: the way we want to go. And then you get
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: to the point where you squeeze the trigger the instant
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: your pin gets on there and then you are locked
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: off the target and your mind jumps your pin to
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: the target and presses the trigger all at the same time.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: It's more efficient, but it's not more accurate. And you
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: know the core problem shooting your mind will not allow
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: you to cause your body impact as a surprise rise.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: So it starts to link these things. Right, You being
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: on target equals and explosion. That's why it won't let
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: you sit there. That's why it won't let your pins
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: sit on the target because being on the target has
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: been linked to this explosion. So it jumps you there
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: and you yank the trigger with pre ignition movements, right,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: all of these movements happen just prior to the ignition
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: of the bow or you yanking the trigger. And that's
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: how it goes with all these things. You know, people
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: are locked off target, below the target, above the target,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: to the sides of the target or there, you know,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: if they're on it, like let's say they switched to
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: a hinge release or something like that, right, a hinge
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: or attention activated. I mean, if you really look at it,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: the entire archery industry is built around target panic. If
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: it wasn't, why would we need other releases. And when
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: you look at these releases, everybody usually starts with an
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: indet finger and then when they start, when they become
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: efficient with that, where they start punching the trigger. They
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: go to a thumb trigger and that works while they're
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: cognitive with that for about ten minutes, right, and then
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: they instantly start the learning process. And when they get
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: more efficient at that and they become automatic at that,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: they start punching that trigger. Well, then somebody comes along
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: and tells them that they need a hinge release. Well,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: the difference in the hinge release as you progress down
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: the line of releases, and that that line is index finger,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: thumb trigger, hinge and then tension activated. As you run
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: down that line, you are relying more and more on
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: the release to make decisions for you. Right, very easy
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: to punch a trigger on index finger, a little bit
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: harder because your thumb is a little bit more stupid,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: right in your thumb trigger. But then you get to
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: a hinge and there's this kind of a breakthrough for
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of people, I mean most pro shoot a
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: hinge release because the movement is a heck of a
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: lot easier to evaluate because it's a longer movement. Right,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: So they are able to now put their concentration into
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: their shot activation movement. And somebody told them along the
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: line that you can't that don't worry about your aim,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: just watch it, right, and so, but the release starts
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: making decisions for you, and sometimes you may start punching
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: that hinge and it's very common, right, if you allow it,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: if you allow the learning process to happen, you'll start
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: punching a hinge as well. And then you go to
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: attention activator release where you push the safety in drawback
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: safety off and then you pull and it's set to
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: a specific draw weight holding weight. Right, Well, that one
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: if you don't make a decision to pull or expand,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: it's not going to go off. So it basically makes
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: the decision for you. So you know, that's where people
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: are at in these things that you see it locked
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: off target, punch and triggers, and it's this big progression.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: If you're shooting a stick bow. You see these people
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: when they first start with stick bows, very simple, They
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: draw back to their anchor point, they aim, and then
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: they release a string. Well, that becomes much much more
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: efficient very quickly. So then you start to see them
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: let the string go to three in front of their face.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: It's not more accurate, but it is certainly more efficient, right,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: And then you see the same locked off target issues
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: with stick bows as well, and people, I mean, that's
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: that's where I was. Gosh, when I was fifteen, sixteen
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: years old, I had had to hold five six ft
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: over a target and then I would just simply dump
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: my bow into the target and release the string all
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: the same time. It was a nightmare. I mean, everybody
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: around the globe is dealing with the same issue, and
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: and a lot of people think they're alone in it. Yeah,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: they say, man, you're never gonna believe what I have
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: to do when in my shot, you know, my pins
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: not even on the target and it just kind of
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: jumps up there. Yeah, you're right along with everybody else,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: myself included. And I feel like a lot of people too.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Well I might be um taking my own situation and
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: putting this on other people maybe, but I guess for
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: me in particular, I always thought I didn't have target panic,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: because when I hear target panic, I would think or
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: the way I was defining that within my own head
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: was just insane buck fever, Like you're shaking so bad
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: you can't hold the pen at all, like and you're
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: just you're just sending that air off into the Netherlands
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: without even having any form of control. I thought, oh no,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I'm not like that. I'm pretty in control. Um. But
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I did have a tendency to rush shots. And when
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: I look back on it, you know, I had some
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: I had some kills something that ended up okay, and
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: that I had some misses, or I had a wound
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: once where I almost hardly could remember the moment. It
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: was like, especially the early kills. The first couple of
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: year I ever killed with the boat was like you
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: blacked out. You hardly knew what happened. And then as
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I as I've gotten older and had more success, now
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: I I know what's going on. But I'll I can
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: look back at that moment and I can see as
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: soon as that pin hit the vital the vitals, I mean,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: it was, it was off it. I didn't have any
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: time to think about it. I had it was. There
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: was no control over the moment in any former functional way.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: It was just as soon as that pin was in
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: that spot, without even thinking about that trigger had been
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: punched and the arrow was away and I was dealing
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: with the consequences good or bad after that. But but
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: I still I still didn't call that target panic. I
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: was still thinking to myself I'm okay, Um, I don't.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I don't slap the trigger or anything. And it wasn't
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: until this past summer. Um, I had a friend come
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: out and I had gotten a new boat, and I
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: couldn't get the new boat. I could not shoot consistently
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: with a new boat no matter what I did. And
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: it ended up being some equipment issues. Actually, there had
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: been some timing that was off, the rest had been
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: messed up, so there's a few different things that were
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: actually leading to some inconsistencies. But because I was having
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: all of those issues with the equipment, it was messing
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: with my head even more because I was trying to say,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: what am I doing wrong? What am I doing wrong?
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: So I kept on, will change this thing, change this thing?
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: So is my grip wrong and my anchoring the wrong
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: place and my you know? So it just messed me
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: up mentally even more than ever before. So that's why
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: I had this friend come over and just look at
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: what I was doing. He identified the equipment issues, but
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: then he also identified this mental issue and what he
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: had me do. And this is when I finally had
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: to come to terms of the fact that yes, Mark,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: you have a problem. Um. It was he told me
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: to draw back and just pull the pin on the
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: bull's eye and don't well I think he told me,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: just drawback, put your pin on there, and and what
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: tell me what you want to do. And as soon
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: as I went on there, my my finger like jumped
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: towards the trickerly. As soon as that pin hit the target,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I wanted to punch that sugar. I wanted to hit it.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: And I've had other times where I've drawn back and
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I had like almost a body convulsion, like where my
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: body wanted to start that process, but I stopped it.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Um And I'm like, jeez, what was that? And then
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: you realize, well, yeah, that was your body trying to
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: start this automatic shop process that you had no control over.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: And so when my friend said, yeah, that that's target.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Panic man, that's that's not some one off thing, then
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: it was all of a sudden, this, ah, how okay,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: there's something bigger here. And then it gave me kind
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: of permission to dive into this whole um other world
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: of of of learning out there, as far as learning
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: how to deal with this stuff, which led me to you.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Um So, I feel like a big first step for
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of people is just like coming to terms
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: with Okay, yes, this thing I've been doing that is
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: target panic might so I think you've covered most different
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: examples of that. Is there anything else that we need
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: to make sure we understand just to help us define
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: whether or not we have this issue or if we
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: touched on everything there. Well, it's not a disease you
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: are born with. If you want to call it target panic,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: you're born with it. It is your mind making you.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, it is completely against human nature to cause
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: and ignore an explosion. And your bow going off is
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: an explosion. You know. It may not be very loud,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: but it is a sudden, uh, you know, explosion of
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: muscle contraction and expansion and all these things happening right
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Your mind wants to brace you for that impact, even
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: though it's a small amount of impact. It wants to
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: brace you for it. And if you allow it to
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: do that, if you allow your subconscious to tell itself
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: when to release the string, you will always be the
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: victim of your own mind. You know, it's about being
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: in the process of the shot instead of being in
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: the results of the shot. But people are out there
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: and if they don't come to terms with this, they
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: are practicing their own failure with every shot that they
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: shoot as just a slightly uncontrolled shot, right, Like asking
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: yourself the question, while I was in the trigger press,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: could I have stopped it anywhere within it? Right? And
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: most people cannot answer that in the affirmative. Most people
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: are going nope. Once I sent that motor program, that
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: bad boy was going, right. I'm talking about being in
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: the process and knowing how to get into the process,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: And I don't want people to be out there practicing
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: their own failure. There's no reason for it. Right. But
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: that's essentially what you're doing with when you just go
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: to the range and you practice your shooting. If you
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: don't know a lot of these things, you are absolutely
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: practicing your own buck fever, right, because your system that
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: you have built of automatic movements is going to become
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: exponentially more efficient under an adrenaline load. So your controlled
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: shot does not live in your midbrain, which is where
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: you go to under an adrenaline load. You know. That's
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: why people black out and they don't understand what even happened,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: you know, So that's because their heart rate got high
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: enough to where they went into mid brain, which has
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: only has fight or flight training an experience. So if
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: your experience is this uncontrolled shot every time and you're training,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: you have trained this uncontrolled shot, there's nothing in there
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: that's going to help you. You're not just going to
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: automatically find yourself working through a trigger perfectly. You know,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: it's never just going to automatically happen. You have to
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: how to get yourself into that zone. So you know,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: if people are wondering whether they have target panic or not,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: if you want to call it that, if you're a
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: human being, yes, you're dealing with good anticipation. It just
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: depends on how you deal with it, how much how
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: much pre ignition movement you have in your shot, because
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: people say, well, I'm I'm pretty good, right, and they
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: may they may kill quitters. But here's a question for you,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: and for every successful, very successful bow hunter oute there
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: there is a pattern of success that I have found
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: with very successful shooters, be it in the sniper world
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: or in bow hunting, or just in hunting in general
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: with a rifle, and that is what do you say
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: to yourself during your shot, not before the shot, not
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: after the shot, but during your shot. And what you
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: will find is that every very successful bow hunter says
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: something within their shot, and there is science to that,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: and we'll explain that in a little bit. But that's
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: a question for all your listeners out there. You know,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: if you, if you are that very successful person, what
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: is it that you say to yourself during your shot?
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: And if you're not that successful person, is that what
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: you're missing? If you're trying to do it blank minded,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: you are allowing the subconscious to run its own program.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: And it's not there for accuracy. It's there to keep
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: you alive. It's there for efficiency. So something to think
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: about there. Yeah, and and in a second, I want
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: to better understand why those words are important. But before
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: we get to that, I want to rewind just a
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: tiny bit here. And let's say let's say that Joe
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: John Doe is listening to this and he here's what
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: we've been talking about and says, Okay, yes, I can
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: identify with this issue. I have some shot anticipation anticipation
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: issues or some target panic issues. Okay, yeah, this is me.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: I want to fix it. What's what's step number one?
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Where where do you begin? Joel? With someone like that
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: who is having this kind of issue. Take us from
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: the very beginning, and I'd like to walk through each
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: one of these steps from the mental side of things,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: and then also like what you might physically be doing
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: or what or this all goes into, um where do
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: we start? I guess step number one is to find determination.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: And that may sound weird, right, but everybody is looking
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: for a cure for target panic, and I have that cure. However,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: you have to be determined enough to say to yourself
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: and to truly believe on this next shot, I will
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: shoot this shot perfectly or I will not shoot it
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: at all. That is a huge step. That is a
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: realization that I had to come to in firearms and
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: in archery, because until I made that that determination depth,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: it was all for not right. People. People ask me
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: all the time, you know I've got target panic. You're
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: my last hope. All this stuff is your system gonna
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: work for me? And I tell them, no, it's not
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: gonna work for you. You have to work for it.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: My system is simply going to teach you how to
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: do the work right. But it all starts with determination
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: to make that original decision, you know, gaining the knowledge
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: of control process shooting, and then going okay, I know
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: exactly how to do this. I'm gonna shoot this next
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: shot perfectly, or I'm not going to shoot it at all. Right,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, even if you don't take any instruction, making
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: that original decision will set you in the process and
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: allow you to come to the realization that there's nobody
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: with a gun to your head making you shoot this shot. Right.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: So if you say to yourself, like, let's say you're
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: locked off target, right, you're locked low, Man, I get
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: that thing that pins six inches from where I want it,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: and then I just can't quite get it there, and
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: then it just kind of goes there and a punch
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: a trigger and I kind of black out, right, I
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: mean it's this, it's this mini blackout. So you know,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: when you get to full draw and you haven't taken
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: any instruction, but you've made this original decision, I will
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: shoot this shot perfectly or I will not shoot it
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: at all, and you find yourself locked off the target
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: six inches, the first thing you gotta do is not
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: shoot that shot. Follow your decision, because you being locked
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: off target is not part of your process. Right, So
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: that pins six inches off the target, and you know
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: exactly what's going to happen because You've practiced that thousands
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: of times. That first time of drawing back and that
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: pin gets locked off there and you don't shoot it.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: You let it down, right, you buck up a little
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: bit more determination, you draw back, and then you fight
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: that pin and you get it on that target without
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: working that trigger, right, and then you make another decision, right,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: because as you were explaining marking your shot, you kept
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: shooting these shots. And what I call the critical second, right,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: it's the one second in time after you believe the
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: aim is complete. That's when most people shoot their shot.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: And if you shoot your shot in that critical second,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: it will be controlled by what's called an open loop
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: control system, meaning a movement that's too fast for you
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: to stop, too fast for you to gain feedback within it,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: meaning your trigger press is not going to be a press,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be a yank, right, So, and then you
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: have to deal with the consequences. So simply being able
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: to draw back and put your pin on the target,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: and once that pin is on the target, saying something
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: to yourself like here I go, that brings you into
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: the present, brings you into the process and allows you
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: to get your finger on the trigger. And I mean
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: it's gonna take your entire might to work through that
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: trigger slow enough that you could stop it anywhere within it, right,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: And it's much more easily done with back tension than
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: by moving your finger, which is another you know, it's
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: another issue. But just making decisions is the first step.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: And you've I think you've called you mentioned I think
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: you you mentioned this a second ago. Open versus closed
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: loop control systems? Can you can you dive into that
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: a little bit more, like what's the difference between the
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: two and why it's important to, like you just said,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: to have these decisions throughout. An open loop control system
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: is the control system that is the goal of your mind,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: meaning you get to a point of automatic movement. In
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: an open loop control system, very simply put, the executive,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: which is the brain, sends the motor program to the
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: effect or. The effector is what receives the motor program. Right. So,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: like let's say you're talking about a an index finger trigger. Okay,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: So on an index finger trigger, you draw back and
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: you put your finger on the trigger. The executive, the
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: brain sends that motor program to move your finger. Right,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: your finger does that, but because it's open loop, it's
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: too fast. It's got no reason to gain feedback in it, right,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: There's no reason to do that. So it then does
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: it at a rate that you can't stop. Well, when
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: you punch the trigger, I mean it's such a minute movement,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: but you can watch the bow hands of most people
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: when they punch their trigger, their bow hand also moves right. Otherwise,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: if it was a surprise, their bow would fly out
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: of their hand. Right. So that is a pre ignition
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: movement that is linked to your open loop motor program.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, in an open loop movement, you can have
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: all kinds of different movements linked to it, like blinking
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: your eyes, collapsing. All kinds of bad things can be
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: linked to an open loop trigger press right. So open
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: loop is the goal of your subconscious. It wants to
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: be automatic because that's more that's most efficient. Right. Closed
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: loop is completely different. Closed loop is a conscious movement.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: That first time that you moved your finger through that trigger,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: you were cognitive about it, and somebody told you to
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: squeeze the trigger, press the trigger. So you're working through
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: that thing super slow at a rate that you could
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: stop it or gain feedback within the movement. Right. So
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: when you first started, you had to decide to do that. Okay,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: my instructor told me, I've got to work through this
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: trigger super slow. So that's what I'm doing. That's you
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: making a decision to do that, right, But then you
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: practiced and that whole decision making process went away and
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: you became very efficient. So what I'm talking about is
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: being able to make a decision to come back to
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: the cognitive stage of learning. That's why it's so unnatural
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: for you to do this. It does not follow the
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: human model of learning. So what I'm telling people to
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: do is to for their shot activation movement, whatever that is. Like,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: let's just say it's a trigger movement on an index
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: finger trigger your closed loop control system. You make a
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: decision and you decide to choose a slower motor program.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: The brain, the executive sends that lower motor program to
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: the effect or same system as an open loop, but
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: now you're moving slow enough that it gets sent back
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: through what's called the comparator, the comparitors kind of the
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: feedback station. And now you're moving your finger, you're increasing
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: pressure on that trigger slow enough that the comparator can
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: say too fast mark or too slow mark, or it's
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: not moving Mark right, So you're able to evaluate your
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: movement within the movement. And when you see people shooting
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: back tension, that you see them shooting a hinge correctly
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: or an index finger trigger correctly. Their concentration is on
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: nothing other than the movement, the shot activation movement. It's
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: not on oh my god, Mark Kenyans watching me shoot
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: this error right, It's not on anything else. You can
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: only be you know, people say the conscious mind can
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: only do one thing at a time. Well, it can
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: only be in one closed loop at a time, is
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: what they really mean. So your entire world becomes this
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: shot activation movement, and it's slow enough that you can
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: gain feedback within it, and therefore you just stay in
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: that movement until it breaks. You don't know when it's
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: going to break, you don't care when it breaks. That's
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: how you get a surprise break in your shot. But
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: it requires decisions for you to even get there. You'll
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: never just find yourself automatically going back to a cognitive
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: stage of learning. And that's why it's so that's why
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: shooting is so different than any other sport, because in
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: any other sport, you know, automatic movements are the goal.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Shooting a free throw. For example, the definition of a choke.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: When people choke on the game winning shot, it's because
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: they've shot open loop the whole time, like they're supposed to,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: but on the game winning shot, they think about it
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: a little bit more and they try their mind tries
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: to go closed loop. Right, Okay, I'm gonna win the
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: game with this free throw. I got to make sure
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: that I tilt my wrist this way when I shoot
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: the ball. And on those movements that are supposed to
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: be open loop, if you try to go close loop,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: you kill the totality of the movement and therefore they
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: miss because it's Oh, I thought about it too much, right,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: But that's not shooting. Shooting is completely different shooting and
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: shooting the closed loop control system is the one that
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: gives you the surprise break. That is the one that
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: allows you to be successful in a precision environment. That's
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: a really interesting comparison there, the two different because you
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: you would think that choking in some kind of high
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: pressure situation would be the same core issue. Um, but
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: it's interesting to the two different sides of this. I
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: guess this dichotomy here. There there are movements that are
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: supposed to be open loop, Like most movements in your
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: life are supposed to be open loop, right, But there's
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: one movement in your life that can never be allowed
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: to be open loop, and that is a shot activation movement,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: be that with a pistol, a rifle, a bow, a
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: stick bow, whatever it is, because you are causing an
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: explosion with that movement. Think about this way. If a
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: picture was pitching a baseball and they knew that if
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: that ball was going to explode six inches in front
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: of their hand only if they pitched it perfectly, They'd
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: never be able to pitch it perfectly because that movement
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: of them throwing the ball, there are movement would now
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: become an anticipated movement and it would have pre ignition
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: movements linked to it. Right. So it's that's why shooting
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: is so much different than anything else. Yeah, it's interesting
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: because I feel like so much of the advice out
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: there um when it comes to shooting, especially archery, UM
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: is there's a lot of talk about trying to make
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: things automatic and that they shoot so much that you
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: get this muscle memory and that you don't even need
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: to think about it. It's all get that muscle memories.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: You don't want to think about it at the moment,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: and so that as a kid growing up, that's what
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: I learned. But you know, when you start to look
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: at things the way you're you're talking about them, it
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense why that leads to significant issues? Right?
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, why is it that people shoot for fifty
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: years and never get any better? They never get more accurate,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: they only get more efficient, right, So it's uh, that's
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: why shooting, like I said before, is so much different
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: than anything else. Yeah. So so okay, so we need
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: to first make that determination that we're going to get
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: control of the shot. We're not going to go through
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: with a bad shot anymore. We're going to have a controlled,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: closed loop system. And you said though, to achieve that,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: we have to be in control of the decisions along
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: the way. And as I understand it, the way to
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: take control of those decisions is to attach words to
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: them so that you can then talk your way through it.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Is that right? And then if so, can you talk
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: us through is there is there is there a right
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: number of steps we should be talking through? Is there
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: a better way to create a mantra like this? Are
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: there any specifics when it comes to how to talk
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: our way through it. That can help us. So talking
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: does two completely different While they're they're somewhat the same,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: but it helps you in two different ways. Because in
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: the cognitive stage of learning, learning anything, first time you
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: learned it, you talked yourself through it. There was a
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: thing called self talk, right, So you talked your way
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: through it. And what the talking did you talk? You
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: spoke words right. Words are the route to concentration. Words
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: are nothing more than attentional cues. When you read a word,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: your mind goes to the definition of that word, no
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: matter what it is. Right. So it's very easy for
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: an instructor to gain control of a student's mind simply
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: by talking to them. But are they giving you that
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: skill to be able to talk yourself through it. That's
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: a question of your instructor, right. So, uh, talking leads
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: to attention. So if I need to concentrate on this
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: movement that's going to cause an explosion, I am darn
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: sure going to have to talk myself through it, right,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: So I have people say specific things, meaning I have
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: them say the word that defines the movement, if you will. So,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: if it's if it's an expansion, right, or if it's
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: a pulling motion. Right, just a simple phrase, keep pulling,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: keep pulling, keep pulling. It's said in a revolving rhythm. Right.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: So this rhythm is basically your words are the verbal
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: representation of your closed loop. It's revolving, right, it's a loop.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: So and some people say a specific word like go
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: as they're moving through the trigger. Your words tell what
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: muscle group to move and also the way the speed
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: of see your words that gives them the rate of movement. Right.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: So words play a huge part in your movement. But
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: the verbalization of your decision is the start of the
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: entire process. Right, Because you can have this mantra and
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: all this stuff. But remember that your subconscious doesn't want
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: you to do any of that. None of that is
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: stored in your memory, right You just you don't just
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: remember to say your mantra. You have to decide to
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: say it every single shot. Your shot actual improvement can
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: never be allowed to become automatic, But your decision to
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: shoot it perfectly or not at all must become automatic.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: It must become a fundamental truth in your life. Meaning,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: I don't care who's watching me shoot. I shoot in
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: front of hundreds of people A lot I don't care
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: who they are. I will shoot a controlled arrow. Why
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: wouldn't I? Right, I have the blueprint for exactly how
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: to do it. So you know, once you gain control
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: of your shot, and you gain the blueprint for your
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: controlled shot, you know now you're using shooting to practice
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: your concentration. It's the great greatest form of concentration practice
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: that is known to mankind, that is shooting. So go ahead.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: I was just gonna ask, is there certain number of
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: steps within excuse me, um, within the archery? If we're
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: talking a compound, a compound bull, let's say, is there
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: a certain number of steps within that process that we
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: should try to be appending a word to? So? So
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: for me right now, the way I've been putting this
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: into practice is I have a phrase that I say
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: as I'm drawing back. I have a phrase that I
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: say while I'm aiming, and then I have a phrase
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: that's like my activation phrase. So I say, here we go.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: And as soon as I'm saying here we go, that
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: starts my movement into activating that shot. Is that is
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: three the right number? Or is there? It doesn't matter? Um?
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Any thoughts on that? Yeah, Yeah, lots of thoughts on that,
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: so you know you're what you're talking about. You're talking
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: about the verbalization of your decisions. Right. So I have
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: two jobs in my shot, just two jobs, but there
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: are some micro jobs within those big jobs. Right. Job
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: number one is to draw back and aim, get it done,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: and watch it to keep it. Get it done. I mean,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: people creep up on these targets, and that's just you
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: doing pre ignition movements. Your mind is readying you for
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: this impact. That can't be the case. Your aim must
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: mean nothing to you. It's just a job that you
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: get done. Right. So job number one drawback and aim,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: get it done, and then simply watch it to keep it. Right.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: When I say that watch it to keep it, I
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: mean you're watching the picture. You don't have to focus
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: on either the pin or the target. You are watching
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: the entire picture. And when you do that, you're using
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: a system called visual appropriate reception, which is the same
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: visual feedback system that you use when you drive. Right,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: when you're driving down the road, you've got a yellow
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: line and a white line, and you get visual feedback
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: that your vehicle's veering slightly to the left, and you
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: auto correct with a movement of the steering wheel, and
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: you move that steering wheel until you get visual feedback
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: that now you're in the center of the lane, and
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: then you stop that movement. That's an automatic movement. You
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: don't have to think about it. When you first drove,
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: first time you got behind the wheel, you had to
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: think about it. But that's not the case anymore. You
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: do automatic movements, automatic corrections. So when I say that
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: drawback and aim, get it done, watch it to keep it.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what I mean. You have no control over
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: your aim other than through your eyes. So watch the picture.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: It will constantly return to center. Okay, that's job number one.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Job number two is to put the concentration into the
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: movement that gets you through your trigger right, whatever movement
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: that is, whatever type of release you're shooting, or if
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: you're shooting with your fingers or using them a counter
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: receptive trigger or whatever. So those are the two jobs.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: But the jobs require decisions, especially in extreme stress. So
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: there's two jobs, but there's three decisions. There are three
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: decisions that must be made in every precision shot. Now,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: this is for me, and this was my big fail point.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: This is where I always failed growing up, and that
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: was not making the decisions or making the decisions at
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: the wrong time. So now my three decisions are this,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: when I believe the shot is imminent, meaning oh my god,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: this is happening, right, you start to put tension on
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: that string. That is when you do the original decision,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: I will shoot this shot perfectly or I will not
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: shoot it at all. That does two things for you.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: It gives you options like nobody's got a gun to
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: my head making me shoot this shot. And it starts
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: you into the process of the shot instead of the
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: results of the shot. Because if that big bucks coming
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: down the lane and you're thinking, oh my god, that
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: is a hundred and six point right, that has nothing
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: to do with you shooting a perfect arrow. Right. So
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: the original decision I will shoot this shot perfectly or
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: I will not shoot it at all. That is a
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: decision that must become the fundamental truth in your life. Right.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: The next decision is made at half draw, as you
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: are pulling the bow back. That is when I say
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: to myself, I'm gonna do this. Right. You can say
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to say, but that is the point
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: at where you have to bring yourself into the present
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: because your mind wants to go and oh my god,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: it's a hundred and six point I'm going to be
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: a hero. Right, that's where it wants to go. It
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: wants the results. But you've got to keep yourself in
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: the process of the shot, and you do that by
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: verbalizing decisions. Right. So as I'm drawing my bow back,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: that's when I say I'm gonna do this right. And
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: then the final decision, the final knockout blow to autopilot,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: is at the critical second. And I asked people all
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: the time, you know, what do you error jumped out
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: of an airplane. I've not jumped off a cliff into water,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: not terribly high cliff, but I guess, okay, so a
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: short cliff, right, how did you get yourself to jump? Yeah,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: you had to make a decision. Nobody is standing at
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: the edge of the cliff and just automatically fine as
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: myself fallen off. Right, there's that moment. There is that
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: moment where they go, oh my god, right, here goes
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: whatever they say. They all say something during that critical second, right,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: And that's the failed point of most people in their shot,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: is they fire the shot within the critical second, and
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: that is the one second in time after you believe
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: the aim is complete. So instead of firing the shot
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: in that critical second, fill it with the decision to
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: cause your body potential impact. Same thing when you're standing
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: on that cliff, you're going to cause your body potential impact.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: That requires a decision to do that movement to start.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: That same thing in every archery shot or every shot
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: with a firearm. So drawback and aim, get it done,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: watch it, to keep it. Job number two is to
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: put the concentration into the movement that gets you through
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: your trigger. That second job must be started with your decision.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Here I go right, it's said in that critical second,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: most people, like I said, are punching the trigger in
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: that critical second. I know I did. Man, I did
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: that my whole life until I started to figure out
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: these decisions and when to make them. So I was
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: gonna say, plain Devil's advocate here. Someone listening to this
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: might say, well, if you're an experienced deer hunter, you
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: know that sometimes your only opportunity will be a moment.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: You'll have this one brief moment, and those most experienced
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: guys can take advantage of that and they can get
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: that shot done quick in that one sliver of opportunity.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: So this this sounds like it's going to take a
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: long time and it's going to result in missing those opportunities.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: What would you say to that person or that viewpoint.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: So there are times when it depends on where you
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: are in your in your shooting. If you are out
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: there and you are using these big white tailed bucks
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: for concentration practice, right, if you are a person that
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: is not yet in control of your shot, how is
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: it going to make you better to punch the trigger
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: on that buck? Right? Yeah, you might get them. You
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: might get them, but you might not. But you damn
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: sure didn't make yourself any better in concentration. Right, So
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have to go to the next high stress moment. Right.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: It's about having your turning point, that point at which
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: you know I always talk about the hog in South Texas.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: That was my turning point in the archery, where you know,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: the hog. I missed numerous shots, wasn't getting through my
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: clicker on my long bow, and finally that hog came
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: in there twenty yards I drew my bow back without
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: making the decisions that I needed to. I drew that
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: bow back, had the same feeling weakness, the same anxiety,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: all the same stuff. But that one time I got
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: piste off enough to say, I am not doing this again,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: and that's when I figured out some decisions right. The
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: next time I let my bow down on that shot,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: hog didn't see me. I picked my bow back up.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: I said to myself, I am going to shoot this
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: shot perfectly, or I am not going to shoot it.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: Because that's where I was in my shooting career. I
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: needed to get control of my shot. So that's when
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: I made that original decision. I drew my bow back.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: As I was drawing my bow back, I said, I'm
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: gonna do this right. And then once I got the
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: right site picture on that hog, I remembered I got
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: a whole other job to do. I gotta work back
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: tension to get through this clicker. Here I go. And
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: I said that, here I go, after the realization that
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: by god, I was actually aimed where I needed to
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: be on this critter that I really wanted to get right.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it might take some time. But again, you
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: are using shooting to practice your concentration, so you're not
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: trying to get more efficient at shooting. You're trying to
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: get more efficient at concentration. You're getting more efficient at
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: making decisions. You see how this is a different approach, right,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: So it doesn't take that long you're shooting. A controlled
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: shot might take two seconds more, right, and are you
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: may be going to have a critter walk out, but
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: if that critter is moving through that lane, don't worry, folks,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: You're not going to forget how to punch the trigger.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: Right if you have to time a shot on a
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: moving critter, that is not a closed loop control system.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: That is your old shot where you're aiming in front
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: of it. You might have your pin in between those trees,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: and then when you see the right site picture, you're
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: gonna punch a trigger. Right. That was is the shot
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: that was required for that environment, But that can't be
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: your go to shot, right. Your go to shot has
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: got to be the controlled shot. So being able to
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: work both environments is the ultimate, right. Like on when
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: I'm training my swat guys, it's they have to shoot
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: as many rounds as they can into a three yard
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: target with their A R system, right, as many rounds
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: as they can in three seconds, and that's a lot
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: of rounds. Right. However, then they instantly have to switch
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: to a two yard target right to where if they
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: press the trigger like they did on the three yard target,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: there's no way they're going to hit the two hundred
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: yard target right. So instantly having to switch between open
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: and closed up control systems is what practice is all about.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: But you don't really have to practice your old shot.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: It's in there. Don't worry about it, right, you're trying
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: to get control of yourself. Have I had creators walk
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: out of my site picture? Yes? I have, and I
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: was plenty happy about it. Yeah. Yeah, I would argue
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: that this this in many cases, not only is it
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: going to result in you not having as many of
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: these rush shots, bad shots, misses, or wounding deer or
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: animals or whatever it might be, but in general, it's
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: just going to help you minimize bad situations. For no
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: other reason that, like you said, it forces you to
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: make decisions, and sometimes that decision might be even before
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: you get into actually taking a shot. It's is this
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: even a smart shot to try to take? Is this?
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: Is this a a situation that can result in a clean, ethical,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: quick kill? Um? I think lots of times you get
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: into this autopilot even before you start start the shot,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: and you're just like, oh my gosh, this is my
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: only chance to shoot this stuff. Buck, I gotta shoot
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: right now, and bam, it all happened so fast you
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: didn't even really make a decision on is this a
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: good idea to even try it? Right? You know, when
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: you when you go into this control process shooting program,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: you start to recognize your speed limits. Right, how long
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: does it really take me to shoot an absolutely controlled shot?
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: And then you're trying to match that with the critter.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Is that critter going to stay there long enough for
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: me to get a controlled shot? And if not, you're
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: not going to hit it right if you open loop
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: that fifty yard or you're not going to hit where
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: you think you're gonna hit right. But if that critter
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: has plenty of relaxed and you go, yeah, I got
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: time to do this. It is very very powerful to
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: know exactly how to shoot a controlled shot, Like I
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: know that every shot for the rest of my life
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: will be controlled, no matter what the critter is, no
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: matter what the situation is or who's watching. That is
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: a very powerful confidence to have. It's something that you know,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: growing up I never had. I'd go on these hunts
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: and go man if I get a shot. I help,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: I hope I do good right, not even knowing how
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: it was going to go. If you don't know exactly
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: how your shots gonna go, then you have already handed
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: it to autopilot, some some outside being that you think
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: is going to help you. It's not. Your subconscious has
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: a plan for you, and it is a very efficient,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: uncontrolled shot. That's the reality of it. That's not my opinion.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: That's just how it works. I've been there and done
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: it so many times, and it took me thirteen years
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: to kill a bull elk with my bow. I'm a
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: two time world alcohol and champion. I can call elk
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: in like a chicken on a string, right, But I
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: could never hold myself together enough to hit that thing
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: that's the size of a barn door. I mean, that's ridiculous.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: I would shoot shots like, what the hell just happened?
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: What where that? You know? And a lot of people
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: are experiencing the same thing. It's really interesting to see
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of the celebrity is on TV or you know,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: just because they're on TV doesn't mean they're not dealing
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: with target panic. And they they talk about I'm in
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: a slump. Well when I watched them shoot. I can
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: see that they're locked completely off the target and they're
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: jumping to the target and punching the trigger. You know,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be that way. And that's kind
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: of a thing that I will say to people on TV.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: You owe it to your viewers to do it correctly, right, Yeah,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And I mean, show some control.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: And then for people that aren't on TV, you owe
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: it to the animal to get this under all. Owe
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: it to the animal exactly. Leading by example is a
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: is a huge thing. So so we understand, we understand
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: the issue, like, Okay, there's this problem. We likely are
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: dealing with it in some way or another. Now we've
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: talked about how we can control that through this controlled
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: process of shooting a closed loop system, but I think
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: that knowing how to do it and actually picking it
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: up as a practice in a habit is another thing.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: So how do we go about practicing this? What's the
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: right way to practice to make sure this becomes a
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: part of our our essence. The practice starts with number one,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: getting control of your shot right like and actually blueprinting
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: it to where you have that shot. Because people sometimes
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: shoot good, but if you don't know exactly how you
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: did it, then how how can you possibly repeat it? Right?
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: So what you're practicing when you shoot, When you finally
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: make the decisions and you get the knowledge and you
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: shoot a perfectly controlled shot, you're like, that was it?
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: That was the ultimate shot. You've got to ask yourself
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: four questions. Number one, what was I thinking about during
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: that shot? And the answer should be I was thinking
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: about nothing other than my shot activation movement? Question number two?
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: What was I saying during that shot? Right? My I
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: know my concentration was on that movement? What was I
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: saying to get it there? Not only what words was
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: I saying? But at what rate was I saying them?
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: What was my mantra? Right? Question number three? Could I
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: have stopped it? Was I so keenly concentrated on that movement,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: that one slight little movement that I could have stopped
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: it anywhere within the movement. If you can say yes
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: to that, then you truly were in a closed loop
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: control system. And question number four most important question what
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: decisions did I make to get myself in the process
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: for this one shot? And you have to realize that
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: all these decisions and all these words that you're using
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  Speaker 1: and the jobs that you're performing, they only last for
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  Speaker 1: that one shot. There is no role to precision shooting.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: You know some people, Oh man, I'm on a roll. Well,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: the trains coming and you're standing on the tracks. Right.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: There is no role to precision shooting. It's one perfectly
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: driven shot at a time. So when you can answer
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  Speaker 1: those questions, you now have the blueprint for your controlled shot. Now,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: when you want to practice, you take that blueprint into
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: the most stressful situations that you can find. That might
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: be just on the range with people you don't know.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: That might be with your kids hanging off your legs.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: That might be somebody scratching your head with an arrow.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: Who knows, right, you have to seek stress because you're
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: no longer practicing your shooting. You are using shooting to
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: practice your concentration. You see what I mean. So when
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: you practice the stuff, you are doing nothing other than
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: strengthening your blueprints, strengthening the mold, strengthening the decisions, and
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: the realization that nobody's got a gun to your head
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: making you shoot an uncontrolled shot. That's how That's how
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: you practice. Are there any specific drills um that might
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  Speaker 1: help us on any portion of this. I've heard of
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: a couple of things. You know, a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: talk about blank bailing, um, A lot of people talk
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: about the drill where you just draw back and just
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: focus on aiming but never end up shooting. Are those
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: things that will help us with this or are there
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: any other drills like that that you'd recommend that become
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: a part of our part of our practice. Those drills
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: you have to it. Once you understand the science of
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: control process shooting, you will understand the fallacy of those drills.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: Let's take blank bail shooting for an example. Right, people
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: shoot in front of a blank bail and they are
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: masters of their shot. They are able to concentrate on
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: little aspects of their shot, and they use it for
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: form practice, which is fantastic. But if you're using blank
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: bill shooting for target panic issues, there is a fallacy
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: that lies within. And here is that fallacy. What most
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: people do in that shot in blank bail is they
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: try to get the feel of a controlled shot right,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: except for they're missing the one thing that takes that
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: control away, and it is their vision. Right. When you
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: are not aiming at anything, you are then free to
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: give the aim away and to put your conscious mind
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: into certain movements within your shot. Now, that is a
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: that is a good thing, except for there is no
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: transfer of those skills between an aim shot and a
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: blank bail shot. Because in a blank bail shot, you
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: don't have your mind screaming at you, we're on shoot it,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So when you you're not
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: necessarily practicing giving the aim away. So a blank bail
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: shot can be used effectively. Right if you ask yourself
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: the right questions, same questions, what was I thinking? What
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: was I saying? Could I have stopped at? What decisions
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: did I make? You take that blueprint into your aim shot?
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: Job number one, drawback and aim, get it done, watch
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: it to keep it very simple, right now, put my
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: concentration into the movement that makes the bow go off essentially,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: so you can use it. But if you use it
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: and you stop at just trying to get the feel,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: there will be no transfer between that and an actual shot.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: You know, when people do just do blank bail and
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: then they go shoot, they are more cognitive for about
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: a day. Right, they have a day of good shooting
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: where they're actually somewhat in control, but they don't realize
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: how they did it because they're allowing autopilot and they
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: have allowed learning to happen. So after that day of
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: controlled shooting, it starts to break, meaning they start to learn.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: Their subconci just starts to learn and make things more efficient.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: And then what do they do? They got to go
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: back to the blank bail. So basically, what you're doing
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: on a blank bails, you're you're constantly trying to return
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: yourself to this cognitive stage of learning. I never want
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: you to leave it right. And the drill of drawing
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: back and aiming but not shooting, think about that. What's
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: the core problem? Your mind will not allow you to
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: cause your body impact as a surprise. Well, if it
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: knows that no impact is coming, it's very simple to
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: aim at whatever you want and to dance all over
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: the trigger, but not shoot it right because your mind
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: knows that the impact of the bow is not going
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: to happen. That's why people with extreme target panic. When
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: you say, okay, we're not going to shoot this shot.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: I just want you to draw back and put your
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: pen on the target. It's very simple, happens in one try, right.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: But if it says okay, we're gonna shoot this arrow.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: It goes right back to holding off target, jump into target,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: punch and triggers and everything. So you know, there's no
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: real drills other than getting the blueprint and then using
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: shooting to strengthen the blueprint. So you know the drill
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: is go find stress because you have to constantly pride
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: you're you're going to become a backyard hero very quickly.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: People say how long does the program take? It takes
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: as long as it takes you to make a decision.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: You have the opportunity to change your life in one
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: shot and then understand how you shot that perfect shot,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: get the blueprint, and now the rest of your life
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: is spent strengthening your blueprint. You talked a little earlier
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: about the different releases that sometimes people progress through them
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: as they get more and more target pant they switched
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: from a from an index finger to thumb, the thumb
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: to the hinge, hinge to the back tension um. Is
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: there any let's say, let's say John Doe listening. You
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: know he's heard all this, he realizes that he's having
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: this issue. Is there a different release you would recommend
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: if we're assuming he was using a basic thirty dollar
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: index finger that he started with as a kid. Um,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: Is there a change from a release standpoint that would
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: help to begin this process? If if, if you want
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: the very best chance to fix this or does that
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: not matter? Well, it just depends on I. At the
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: end of my program, you'll be able to shoot any
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: release you want. But when you understand open and closed
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: up control systems, there are releases that lend themselves to
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: a closed loop control system much better. Like if you're
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: shooting a type of release that has a very light
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: trigger on it, well, very difficult to evaluate that movement.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: The movement's very light and it's very short, right, if
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: you were to get a trigger, an index finger trigger, um, like,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: the best one I know right now is a carter
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: like Mike, And that's the one that you can really
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: set the spring tension hard in it, so you understand
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: that your initial pressure set, your initial setting the hook
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: on that trigger is not going to make it go off.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: It's very calming right when you're trying to work through this,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: So you can set that bad boy really tight, I
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: mean where it takes an act of congress to get
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: the thing to go off, right, So you draw back
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: and aim you get yourself through that. Okay, here I go,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: and you set your finger deep on that trigger and
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: you start that expansion with your back and your chest
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: and all these proper movements. Right, you start that expansion
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: and you're you're feeling it, but then you'll probably feel
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: it stop and that's the point at which your mind's like,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: nowp wing going anymore because just more and this thing's
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: gonna blow up on me. Right, So that's where you
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: detect that as an error. But it allows you this
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: more robust movement that you that's so much easier for
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: you to evaluate because you're moving it with your back.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're only moving the thing like not even
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: a sixteenth of an inch, but in your back and
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: in your chest and then expansion, you are feeling movement,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: and therefore you can evaluate it. So you know, as
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: far as index finger trigger goes, that's about the best.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: But that's the one that I have people shoot with
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: just to get them over that little hump. And once
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: you get over that hump, you can shoot anyone on
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: you want. Same thing. And there's a lot of really
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: good thumb triggers out there. There's a lot of really
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: good hinges out there. They're all basically the same concepts
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: Hinge releases allow you to you know, have a longer
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: movement that's easier to evaluate. That's why they're much easier
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: to use. And intention activated releases. I like the Standardslavski
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: element just because you can set that thing to where
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: it's not even gonna go off right. And if I
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: have somebody that's having trouble making the decision right, they're
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: still punching the trigger and they're like, man, I just
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: I just can't do it. Well, that's only because you
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: have not yet decided to do it properly or not
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: at all. So I can force the decision with attention
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: activated release, meaning I set that bugger super tight. They
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: draw safety in, drawback safety off, and they start pulling right,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: and they start expanding through this shot, and we show
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: them all the biomechanically correct movements for that. But they
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: start expanding through the shot and then all of a
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: sudden they get this big yank right and their body
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: collapses and it's a big hiccup. Right. That is the
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: moment in time when they shifted everything to the subconscious.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: That's when they went, screw it, you do it for me.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: Autopilot right, and autopilot tried to do it, but the
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: boat didn't go off, and they got to see all
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: of the pre ignition movements that are in there, so
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: they pushed the safety and they let it down and
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: we talk about it. What were you thinking about? Well,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about my movement, but then I just said,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: screw it. I started thinking when is this thing going
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: to go off? And as soon as you get stuck
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: in that question when is this thing going to go off,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: you are no longer in your closed loop. You're no
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: longer thinking about the movement. Your movement just stopped because
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: now your thought process is in when is this thing
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: going to go off? And that's exactly a second here,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: Like people are calling me from the hospital for my appointment.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: But so you know, that's where you have to get
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: good at detecting errors in your thought process, You see
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: what I mean? So, uh, I have them do this
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: tension to activating and as soon as they have that hiccup,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: we talk about it. What were you thinking? What were
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: you saying? Well, I wasn't saying anything, right. Could you
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: have stopped it? Well, I could have stopped it up
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: to the point where I gave it away and what
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: decisions did you make? Well, I really didn't make any decisions.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: I was just trying to do good right and that's
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: where you get the where they were actually at. Then
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: I haven't do it again, and their yard and through
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: that release, but they don't have the hiccup. They finally
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: came to the realization that they need to stay in
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: the movement both still doesn't go off, so they pushed
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: the safety in and they let it down and then
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: I'll start to lighten it to where they still have
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: to work mentally, working hard through this trigger. It's not
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: the most accurate setting obviously, but they're working hard and
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: they're conditioning their mind and then finally that thing goes off,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: and then it goes off, and then we can move
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: to a hinge and we moved to a thumb trigger,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: and we apply the same science to whatever trigger system
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: you want to shoot. I've I've found kind of a
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: similar a little bit of challenges. I've been making this
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: shift mysel self. I stuck with an index finger release
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: last year because I didn't want to change everything. Um
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: as I was just kind of starting this midsummer, so
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: I started using a better index finger release, So with
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: a harder trigger um. And one thing though, I even
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: though I've noticed significant improvement as I've been going through
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: this process, as he was detailed to hear, sometimes I
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: would find that I would be pulling through it. I'd
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: be I'd be going through that shot that shot activation process,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: going through the poll and it just wouldn't go off,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: and it wouldn't go off, and it wouldn't go off,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: and eventually I'd have that screw up moment where I'd
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: start squeezing my finger then again because I'm like this,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: I've got to do something to get this thing off.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: I feel like I've pulled as far back as my
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: shoulders are go um. And so for me, it's been
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out, like, Okay, is it because I'm
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: not loading the trigger consistently to just the right point
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: when I'm starting that or different things like that, And
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: maybe that's where a different release might help me with
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: that kind of thing. But I can totally relate to
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: what you mentioned there. You know, it's what you just it.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: It's not going off, it's not going off, it's not
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: going off. That's where your mind is. It's not in
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: the movement, it's in the this thing is not going off,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: and therefore you're not moving if that's where your thought
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: process is, right, so then you switch your thought process too.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: I gotta make this thing go off, and you move
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: your finger. Well, that didn't make you any better, right,
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: It would be much better for you to get off
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: the trigger and let it down right, and to go
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: through what was I thinking about? What was I saying?
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: Could I have stopped it? What decisions did I make?
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: You've got to get the blueprint for your controlled shot.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: And you know, if you shoot a bad arrow, you
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: ask yourself the same questions so that when you make
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: those errors again, and they're going to happen again in
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: your thought process, they're much more easily recognized. So you know.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: And I talked about letting down a lot, but I
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: don't expect people to let down on critters. I did
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: that when I was trying to hit my turning point right,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: but I didn't understand the science at that point I
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: was in two thousand eight. So now I want people
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: to practice letting down right, drawback, and name get it done,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: watch to keep it. If you detect an error in
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: your thought process, realize nobody's got a gun in your
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: head and let that shot down. But you also have
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: to practice the fight, and you have to know how
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: to fight. When you get in that situation of man,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: this thing is not going off. You have options. You
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: can let it down or you can fight. And the
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: fight equals more aggressive speech in your mantra. Right, So
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: you might be saying, keep pulling, keep pulling, keep pulling,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: catwen's this thing going to go off? Well, that's not
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: the right thought process. Fulling, keep palling, keep palling. Right,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: where you add aggression to your speech, that adds strength
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: to your movement. Right, So that's the fight. That's what
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: I mean. When I'm shooting at a big screaming bow
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: up with my longbow, I am screaming to myself inside
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: my head, right, I'm using the aggressive speech to get
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: me through that shot activation movement, because by god, I
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: am not going to shoot an uncontrolled arrow. Got no
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: reason to. Now we're talking about this whole pulling through action,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: and we've been talking about the mental side of it.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: How do we talk ourselves through that? But I actually
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: haven't gotten your perspective on the right way to physically
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: do that. Um and and let's focus selfishly since I
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: should a compound bow. Can you walk me through how
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: how you believe that the proper pull through motion should
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: be the actual physical action that coincides with our our
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: mental mantra that you just mentioned there, the activation. So
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: I I work a lot with Tom Clem at Rocky Mountain,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: specially Gear, and he is just a phenomenal form coach.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: He's a Level four or NTS coach and he has
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: helped me a lot. He's helped thousands of archers. But, um,
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: you know, I I was doing the right motion, but
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: I didn't know how to explain it, and so Tom
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: sat me down and basically taught me exactly what's going
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: on in my movement and how to explain it. So,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: what you're doing to get yourself through that release, Like,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: let's say you're shooting with an index finger, right, So
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: first of all is setting up your finger on the trigger.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: It can't be out towards the end. It should be
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: in the wall that is between your first and second Um, well,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: from from the end of your finger there's decrease and
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: then there's a wall and there's another crease, So it
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: at least has to be on that wall, if not
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: in the second crease. Okay, So that is what I
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: consider setting the hook. And once you have at the hook,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: you are basically taking everything behind you, not farther back.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: You're taking it behind you. That is the proper direction.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: So when you do that, so you draw back and
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: you've got you put your side on the target, you
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: acquire your hook, and you may have to reaffirm your
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  Speaker 1: aim right because putting the your finger on the hook
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  Speaker 1: might move your aim slightly. So you've got the hook,
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  Speaker 1: and then everything from like let's say you're right handed,
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  Speaker 1: Like if you've got a hinge in the center of
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  Speaker 1: your body, right and you're going to open that hinge
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  Speaker 1: and it opens at your peck muscle. So from everything
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  Speaker 1: from the right side, your peck, your shoulder, your elbow,
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  Speaker 1: everything rotates behind you. Right. That is the motion of
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  Speaker 1: the people called back tensions. You're using your lower traps
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  Speaker 1: muscle to do that, and you're just shifting all of
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  Speaker 1: that stuff behind you like you're trying to touch somebody
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  Speaker 1: behind you, Like if somebody had a their hand open
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  Speaker 1: palm an inch and a half behind your elbow, right
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  Speaker 1: directly behind you. When you shoot that shot, your elbow
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: should never touch them. It should sweep inside their hand.
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  Speaker 1: You see what I mean. So you should be and
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  Speaker 1: if you're shooting an index finger, you have to shoot
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  Speaker 1: with a fairly relaxed hand. You can't be grabbing onto
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  Speaker 1: the release and taking the release with that rotation. You
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  Speaker 1: have to keep your hand open. Finger is on the
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  Speaker 1: trigger right deep on that tight hook on it. You've
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  Speaker 1: applied an initial pressure that you have to determine with
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: whatever release you're shooting. So you set your initial pressure
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  Speaker 1: and then you start this expansion where your whole, your
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  Speaker 1: chest opens, your back contracts, and your chest expands, causing
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  Speaker 1: that rotation to go around behind you. And the feeling
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  Speaker 1: that you're gonna get, you're gonna have to uh two
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  Speaker 1: feedback points if you will. Number one, you're gonna feel
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  Speaker 1: attention increase on your finger. You're not moving your finger,
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  Speaker 1: but you're feeling attention increase on it. And the second
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  Speaker 1: place you're gonna feel attention increases on your wrist trap.
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  Speaker 1: So if you can imagine you are using this motion
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  Speaker 1: that we talked about to pull your relaxed hand through
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  Speaker 1: the strap, that's what's going to create that sixteenth of
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  Speaker 1: an inch of movement to create that surprise break shot.
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  Speaker 1: So and then when you get into thumb triggers, you've
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  Speaker 1: got a couple of different ways to do it. You
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  Speaker 1: can use back tension right that same rotational movement, or
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: you can use hand manipulation. So if you use hand manipulation,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: you have locked your thumb on the trigger and you
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  Speaker 1: are rotating your hands similar to how you would shoot
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  Speaker 1: a hinge. Right, you are increasing pressure on the top
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: of the release with your ring and pinky finger. You're
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: essentially rolling the release into your thumb. That's hand manipulation.
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  Speaker 1: But if you're going to do that, you have to
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  Speaker 1: have a very strong holding position, meaning your elbow is
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  Speaker 1: in alignment or inside the string. So these are some
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: things that you need to look at in a mirror.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: Have somebody take a picture from behind and see if
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: you're where your elbow is at, because if you're in alignment,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: it's a hell bot easier to hold your bow back.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: So you know, same thing with a hinge. You can
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  Speaker 1: do a hinge with rotation, but most people shoot a
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  Speaker 1: hinge with with hand manipulation where they're relaxing their index
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  Speaker 1: finger and an increasing pressure on their pinky and ring
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: finger to get that thing to rotate. So uh and
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: then of course attention activated is going to use that
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: back tension movement that we talked about. That's that's definitely helpful. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So I've got one final question for it, Jill. Everything
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  Speaker 1: you've talked about here today has been about taking control
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: the mental side of things to help you with that shot.
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  Speaker 1: But is anything that you've learned in understanding this moment
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: or this process. Is any of this applicable to handling
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: the larger issue of what we might call buck fever,
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: which might which some people maybe will lump target panic
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: into buck fever. But if I'm just talking about this,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: maybe the moments ahead of the shot, even when you
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: see a target animal coming in and you lose control
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: of of everything. You're maybe you're shaking like crazy, you're
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: hyper ventilating, you're just really really excited. And this is
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: even before he's in range, maybe before you're going through
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: that whole shot sequence. Um, is there anything you've learned
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: about the mental side of things that can be applied
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: to better handling those preceding moments. So all of the
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: things that we've talked about are in the frontal cortex
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: of your mind right there, their cognitive thoughts, those don't
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: live in your midbrain. Like I said, midbrain is fight
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: or flight training and experience. So if you're losing control,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: as that buck's coming in your your breathing rate increases,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: your blood pressure increases, everything increases, Right, you're getting adrenaline dump.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: All these things are happening in your body and it's
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: affecting what portion of your brain you're going to be using.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: Your controlled shot does not live in your midbrain, so
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: you have to keep your heart rate down so that
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: you can remember your decisions and your jobs in your shot.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: And to do that, you know this, This concept has
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: been around for eons since people have been in stressful situations,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: and that is combat breathing. Right, So as that buck
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: is coming in, you're like, oh my god, that's a monster, right,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: you should then as soon as you start into this,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: start your combat breathing, which is in through the nose
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: for a four hold for a four count, out through
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: the mouth for a four count hold for a four count.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: It's used in you know, in combat and in any
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: stressful situation because what that does is that lowers your
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  Speaker 1: heart rate and it allows you to remain cognitive because
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: if you go into hyper drive, you know, autopilots coming
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: like a freight train and you're gonna shoot this blacked
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: out shot. But when you practice making decisions and you
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: have this determination and your first decision is I'm going
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: to shoot this shot perfectly or I'm not gonna shoot
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: it at all, these are all very calming things because
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: you have a very specific plan and you have knowledge
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: that you are going to shoot a controlled shot no
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: matter what. Like I said before, it's very powerful. So
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: you start your combat breathing and that allows you to
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: remain cognitive. Then that buck's coming in. He's getting closer though.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: Oh man, this is gonna happen. But now you're you're
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: thinking and you know the decisions that you must make
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: in every precision shot. So Harry comes, Oh he's turn
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: a broadside. Okay, I'm gonna shoot. Now. Now you have
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: that realization. Everybody knows what that feeling is. Oh my god,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: this is going to happen. Right you start to bring
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: that bow up. That's when you make the original decision,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot the shot perfectly or I'm not going
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: to shoot it at all. Now you are within the
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: shot and you're bringing yourself in the present as you
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: draw the bow back say something to remain in the present.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I say, I'm gonna do this right,
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: that's as I'm drawing my bow back. That doesn't change
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: the speed at which I draw my bow. I'm just
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: in the present of the shot process. And it's amazing
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: how present you are when you make those decisions. And
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: then you get the full draw and you get that
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: pin on there, that's not time to shoot, that's time
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: to make another decision. Here I go set my hook
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: and I'm working keep full and keep full, and keep
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: full and keep full, and pooh, that shot breaks and
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: it goes exactly where your pin was, or exactly where
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: your instinctive site picture told it to go. So that's
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: how to stay in control of these situations. And I've
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: you know, I've I've used this in the tactical world.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: I've used it in I've used it in bow hunting
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: a lot, right, And that's it's how we work. And
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: again it's not my opinion, this has been proven time
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: and time again. In combat. You've got to keep your
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: heart rate down so that you can think, because this
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: whole thing is based on cognitive ability, not how smart
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: you are, but just your ability to remain cognitive in
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: the cognitive stage of learning and keep yourself from going
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: into automatic autopilot. Well, I I can't tell you how
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: much I appreciate you doing this kind of wortual sharing
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: this with with us and sharing with us with the world.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: I really do think that the way that you communicate
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: this stuff, the way that you're breaking things down here,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: it is you know, I don't want to say it's
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: changing lives completely, but changing hunting lives at least. Um.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: I think this is really, really, really going to help people.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: It's I know, it's already helped me. I'm excited to
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: continue to improve using these practices of yours. And where
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: can people go to learn more? You've got a full
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: course that dives into these things and in much greater
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: detail with video, which I think can really help illustrate
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of these concepts. I think that's gonna be
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: really helpful for people. Where can folks find that stuff?
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: My website is shot i q dot com and on
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: there you'll find my online course in Control Process Shooting,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: where we talk about all this stuff and it's really cool.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: There's lots of drills in there that I have you
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: actually learn your speed, limits of movement and what all
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: the science is and when to make the decisions and
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: you get to see it happen. And so that's the
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: online course. I've also written a book about It's available
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: on Amazon or on shot i Q. But you know,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: I just want people to not waste time. I mean,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: it took me a lifetime to figure this stuff out,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: and I don't want people to waste time in reaching
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: their turning point, right. I want you to have success.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: I want you to have control. It is. You know,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: when you say you're changing lives, that is a literal statement.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, we are really changing the lives of people
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: because people that are in control of their shot and
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: archery is everything in their life. That means a lot.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: That makes for much happier people. I can guarantee that,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: and much happier males makes for much happier females. For Yeah,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: I agree. I think this. I know of so many
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: people just personally that I think this could so positively impact.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: And I'm just so glad that you're able to come
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: on here and and share it with our with our audience.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Joel. I'll make sure to have links
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: back to the website and the book and the online
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: course of people want to check that out and they
• 1:43:16
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• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: on our website too, and be sure to check that
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: stuff out. Guys and Joel, thank you so much, thanks
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: for having me, sir, absolutely, and that is it. Another
• 1:43:28
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• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: I hope you did, if you are a bowl hunter,
• 1:43:34
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• 1:43:37
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• 1:43:39
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• 1:43:42
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• 1:43:48
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• 1:43:51
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• 1:44:03
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• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: my one other update I want to give you is
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: just a reminder, like I mentioned in the introduction, over
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: the next week or so, I'm gonna be out in
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: North Dakota scouting and shed hunting, putting together semi live
• 1:44:21
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• 1:44:23
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• 1:44:26
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• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: I will be posting videos throughout the course of that trip,
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: and if not, I'll just post a bunch of them
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: when I get back. But it's gonna be a fun trip.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be absolutely beautiful out there, and if we're lucky,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: gonna find a bunch of bones too, so that should
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: be fun. I hope you can follow along, of course
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: I'll be. I'll be sharing the story on Instagram and
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: Facebook in different places like that too. So that's it
• 1:44:48
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• 1:44:50
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• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: thank you all for listening, Thanks for tuning in, Thanks
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: for learning with me as we've gone through this, you know,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: whether it be archery or hunting or any of the
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: different things that we've been going through kind of here together,
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: both myself and Dan and hopefully you too. Hopefully we
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: are all growing as hunters and uh I think that's
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: a pretty cool thing. So until next time, thanks again,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: and stay wired to hunt.