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#273 - Tucker Carlson’s Misstep: Did He Get Christian Zionism All Wrong? · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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  Does Tucker Carlson understand what Christian Zionism really is?
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  Today, we're going to discuss this.
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  He had on his show Nathan Affel, who's a person that goes around and tries to
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  expose churches for corruption and all that. I think he does some good work.
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  You know, some people would disagree.
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  I think Nathan does some good work in what he's brought to light.
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  I don't agree with everything.
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  But when they got into the idea of Zionism, did Nathan represent what Zionism really is?
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  Do you know what Zionism is? because that is a word that is thrown around everywhere.
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  I'm not going to be a person that's dying on a hill for a label.
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  There's no label I need to die on. I feel like I need to die on.
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  If Christian, I will die on that hill.
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  Every other label you want to throw at, everyone or people want to say,
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  because a lot of times people don't even know what anything means.
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  They're just infusing into whatever word, what they wanted to believe,
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  what they wanted to mean, and they believe that.
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  But what Nathan said when he represented, he got into dispensationalism.
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  And he says, that's what it is.
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  That's what it is. And so dispensationalism is the 12 tribes of Israel still deserve this land.
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  And so I don't know where we want to— And don't need Jesus? And don't need Jesus, no.
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  Okay, so that's the—leaving aside the land and what you do with the Levant and
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  all that and what the boundaries of that land are, I mean, these are all questions
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  I tried to get answers from in my conversation with Mike Huckabee to no avail.
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  But that secondary is a theological matter to the core question,
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  which is how do you get to heaven? How are you redeemed?
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  And I think the New Testament could not make it clearer. Jesus couldn't make
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  it clearer. Paul couldn't—Paul, the Jewish Pharisee, couldn't make it clearer.
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  It's through Jesus. It's an exclusive claim. It's that or nothing. Correct.
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  And Jesus— That's what it says, right? Am I missing something?
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  A chapter I don't know about?
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  Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. No one gets to the Father.
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  Okay, so then you have people just arrive out of nowhere 150 or 200 years ago.
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  And they're like, well, actually, there's one group that doesn't need Jesus.
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  Is that what they're saying? Correct. And this goes back— Where does that come from?
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  It comes back from pride is where I'll take it. So there was only one church,
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  and it's not the Roman Catholic Church.
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  It's not the Orthodox Church. Those are great traditions. I respect those traditions. I do too.
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  But there's only one church, and that's the Church of Christ.
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  That's the body of Christ.
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  And in 1054, you have the Great Schism. the original split, denominational split, boom.
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  Now you have Catholicism in the Vatican and you have Orthodoxy.
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  Well, today there's over 40,000 denominations.
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  So everybody has an idea of what the truth is.
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  Now what Tucker is, what he is trying to get, he's trying to get to the bottom
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  of, I think there is some, he's trying to also put up a block.
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  He doesn't want to sometimes hear what people are saying because he sat down
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  with a lot of people that embrace Christian Zionism, who are embraced that and
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  have explained it to them. But he, he puts up a block.
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  He puts out a stiff arm and says he doesn't want to hear it.
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  And what Nathan says, he goes to dispensationalism. And what that is,
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  is like the God has dispensations throughout human history.
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  And he was working with the Jews at one time.
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  And now we're in the church age and the Jews are going to come back.
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  And there's almost these two people groups.
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  There's some truth in a lot of these things. A.
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  Mixed ideas of truth and air. You know, if you think you have all truth in your
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  head, you're probably not right. I think we should remain humble.
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  What, I want to come to the truth. So like when I listen to Tucker and what
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  they're talking about, I want to glean from them as much as possible.
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  But this idea of what Christian Zionism is, it's not dispensationalism.
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  That's not the full totality of it. It's much simpler than that.
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  It's that God has a people group. and who he made a covenant with,
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  which is the Jewish people who are Israel.
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  You know, these are terms, you know, there's a lot of conflation that goes on there.
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  But if we think that God is just this arbitrary God who's just gonna change
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  his mind and say one thing and do another, that's really not...
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  A good representation of what the Bible portrays that he is. He doesn't change.
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  And for, if we want to say that God made all these promises to Israel,
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  because we see them, it happened in the Old Testament, and then he gets to the,
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  when Jesus comes and he just throws them all out the window,
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  that wouldn't be really good news to his primary audience,
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  which is Jews, which are Israel.
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  Because that's what Paul even says in the book of Romans, the gospel,
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  you know, it's been revealed to the Jew first, obviously, and then to the Gentile.
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  But it would not be good news if God promised all these things to them,
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  and then, well, forget all that, we got something completely new.
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  So there's so much mixture and air happening right here that God does not,
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  he wants us there to remain a distinction.
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  I think that's the conflation that happens.
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  Gentiles want to grab all the promises of Israel and say that they're applied to Gentiles,
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  and then Israel doesn't want to relinquish any of the, any of the promises and
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  say that the Messiah came and that there's a greater fulfillment of all nations
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  being included in God's community.
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  And that's what the offense of the cross was.
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  The offense of the cross was the inclusion of Gentiles.
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  That's why Jews persecuted Paul from city to city and didn't want him spreading this message.
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  And Nathan, he got into like the book of Romans saying it just dismantles what
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  this idea of that there being still any promises with Israel or that there being
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  a greater fulfillment for Israel.
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  Whereas when we go to the New Testament, we need to understand the context that
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  Paul is writing in, who he's writing to.
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  He's writing primarily to Jewish, not to Jewish, sorry, to Gentiles.
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  He's writing primarily to gentiles and he's wanting them to not become jewish
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  that's the the big thing that's happening in the new testament,
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  And the Christian Zionism aspect of it is we understand that there is still
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  promises that are there for Israel to be had, and God's not done with them.
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  And things that he said that would come about just because things look like
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  they, like that Joshua led them into the promised land, or David set up the
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  empire, the kingdom, that that was fulfilled.
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  And I mean, this idea of fulfillment and being abolished is very,
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  very conflated with a lot of people. They think that if something is fulfilled,
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  that means it's done away with.
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  It doesn't need to continue on. It's fulfilled. It's done.
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  Whereas it's just carrying out.
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  If President Trump wants to fulfill the Constitution, he's carrying out the
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  law. He's doing what the Constitution says.
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  But that doesn't mean the Constitution is done away with when he's fulfilling
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  the law, when he's abiding by what the Constitution puts on him as a president.
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  And that's what Jesus did. he fulfilled it he he completed
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  it to its full fullness he did it exactly perfectly
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  but it doesn't wipe it away and this
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  is where the the people that come into
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  this there's such confusion and what what tucker is struggling with and what
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  even like this this saying that it's just dispensationalism that's not the whole
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  story it's not that i understand that what john nelson darby in the 18th century
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  he created this this idea or whatever he and he went on this offshoot i think
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  there's a lot of truth and a lot of people in the,
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  in the history of the church, like Martin Luther,
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  but a lot of people don't have the fullness of it.
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  If we want the fullness of truth, we need to go, what did the apostles believe?
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  And what did Jesus teach? And it like this idea of God promises everything to this nation.
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  And then Jesus comes. I mean, and just to think about it, they did not have
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  the new Testament when Paul and the apostles were living there.
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  All the scriptures were the old, what we.
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  And then as time went on, the writings of the apostles were brought together
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  and put into one book, into one complete library of books.
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  So what they were talking about with the Jews, their promises that were given
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  to them, it would not be good news at all if we say the Messiah came and everything,
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  your uniqueness, your special, the covenant that God made with you, it's done away with.
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  Where would your hope as a Christian be? What would you be resting in is if
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  that is your God, that he can just change his mind.
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  In a moment and say, well, I promised you heaven, I promised you you would be
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  with me for eternity, but really there's a greater people that are,
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  you're just kind of like the stepping stone to the greater people that I have.
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  You're kind of old news. You're a relic of the past.
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  I just needed you for a little bit of period of time.
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  Now you forget you. That's not what God is. that's not who he is.
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  He doesn't go back on anything.
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  The things are getting more revealed and get clearer. They don't get dimmer.
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  And, and, and God doesn't just turn on what he says. And that's what's going on.
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  Like kind of with Christian Zionism, there's promises give given to Israel that are to be had.
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  And we, it's just basically who, who are the Jewish people?
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  And it's, if you're, those people are abiding by the, what we call the old Testament.
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  They're trying to be faithful to it. Not everyone. I know there's a mixture
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  of like people that are in air and that are probably worshiping Baal,
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  probably worshiping a lot of things.
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  That happens throughout the Old Testament. We see Jews that are like that,
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  but it's not to throw out.
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  God does not just change his mind.
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  He doesn't. There's a greater fulfillment in Christ.
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  It's not less fulfillment, but it's Gentiles. We get to be included in this
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  great redemptive story.
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  All right we'll leave it at that follow follow me on exit instagram at brandon
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