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2025 and the Dead Sea Scrolls | Josh Peck & Ken Johnson · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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  Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the program today, Mono Gonzalez here in studio
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  Speaker 2: and we have got a great program for you. We
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  Speaker 2: are going to be here talking with doctor Ken Johnson
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  Speaker 2: and Josh Peck about a very interesting topic, the Dead
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  Speaker 2: Sea Scrolls, the scene calendar, what's coming up in twenty
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  Speaker 3: It'll be fun.
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  Speaker 3: So a lot of things going on.
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  Speaker 3: Not only informed, but also to hang out with others.
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  Speaker 2: I mean really that is one of the goals, is
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  Speaker 2: to fellowship with others who are like minded.
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  Speaker 3: And thinking of like minded gentlemen. Both of you are welcome.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you. How you doing?
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  Speaker 2: You know? I remember, you know, I took a class
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  Speaker 2: on Kumron in seminary and so I've always loved the
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  Speaker 2: Dead Sea scrolls and so to here with you guys
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  Speaker 2: is great to talk about some of these things.
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  Speaker 3: And I think for our audience.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe Josh, want you share start with you for a second,
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  Speaker 2: help our audience. Let's say they don't know anything about you.
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  Speaker 2: What have you done and what have you written about
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  Speaker 2: the Dead Sea Scrolls and Caman? And then I'll ask
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  Speaker 2: you the same thing.
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  Speaker 5: Sure, yeah, well, I've been studying it, not as long
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  Speaker 5: as doctor Ken Johnson has, but he was actually the
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  Speaker 5: one that really got me into the Dead Sea Scrolls.
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  Speaker 5: And so I wrote my first book about it, which
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  Speaker 5: was Lost Prophecies of Kumron, and I started writing that
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  Speaker 5: in twenty twenty and now' and I just got the
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  Speaker 5: final draft done. I'm working on an updated and expanded
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  Speaker 5: version called Forgotten Prophecies of the Dead Sea Scrolls, and
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  Speaker 5: that one it gets a lot more in depth with
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  Speaker 5: some of the amazing prophecies and also the history of
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  Speaker 5: the scenes.
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  Speaker 4: Who were the.
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  Speaker 5: Writers and keepers of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Not ever,
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  Speaker 5: you scene had anything to do with the writing.
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  Speaker 4: That was some of the scribes.
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  Speaker 5: But it gets into all that history, gets in prophecies
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  Speaker 5: that they had during their time, which they called the
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  Speaker 5: Age of Torah and our time, which they actually called
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  Speaker 5: the Age of Grace, which is really phenomenal stuff. So
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  Speaker 5: I think people are going to get a lot out of it.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome, and doctor ten here, you've written certainly a lot
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  Speaker 2: about it and what kind of got you into this,
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  Speaker 2: and then of course you kind of I wouldn't call
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  Speaker 2: it a hobby, it's been your joy. Talk about what
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  Speaker 2: got you into it and also kind of the breadth
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  Speaker 2: of what you've written.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I started when I became a Christian in my
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  Speaker 6: teenage years, and then I realized, after going to different
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  Speaker 6: churches that they taught different things different denominations. So I
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  Speaker 6: got to the point where I looked up the early
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  Speaker 6: church fathers to find out what they taught about all
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  Speaker 6: the different things we disagree with, just for my own
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  Speaker 6: peace of mind, to find out.
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  Speaker 7: What was proper doctrine.
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  Speaker 6: And in the process of doing that, they talked about
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  Speaker 6: Eenoch and scrolls and several things like that. Then I
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  Speaker 6: got recently the ability to go look at the entire
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  Speaker 6: collection of Dead Sea scrolls and look at them, translate them,
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  Speaker 6: see what I thought, compare them from a Christian standpoint point,
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  Speaker 6: and found out that they had a lot of extra
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  Speaker 6: biblical commentaries prophecies mainly about the First Coming, but completely accurate.
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  Speaker 6: And then there's things about the Second coming, So I
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  Speaker 6: just wanted to pull them all together because I've always
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  Speaker 6: been fascinated with prophecy also, so that's why I do
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  Speaker 6: what I do.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when you think about the Diazzy Scrolls, you
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  Speaker 2: know originally began to be discovered in nineteen forty seven,
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  Speaker 2: you know, right around the establishment of the State of Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe let's talk about that. We know that at least
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  Speaker 2: in the New Testament, we have the Pharisees, we have
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  Speaker 2: the Sadducees, we have the Herodians, we have the Zelots.
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  Speaker 2: You have these different political parties, and the New Testament
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  Speaker 2: does not mention this group known as the scenes. And
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  Speaker 2: so where do we Josh tell us kind of and
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  Speaker 2: get kind of go back and forth here, this will
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  Speaker 2: just be fun. Where do we learn about the scenes
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  Speaker 2: at all? If you know, not from the New Testament?
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  Speaker 2: Where do we hear about them?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, one of the first mentions that we get, if
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  Speaker 5: not first mentioned, is in Josephus, and a scene is
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  Speaker 5: just a word that means healer. So we don't see
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  Speaker 5: that in the New Testament, but we see it in
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  Speaker 5: extra biblical works like Josephus and lots of other places.
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  Speaker 5: They are actually written about quite extensively, like in Hippolytis,
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  Speaker 5: which actually in my new book I do include all
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  Speaker 5: of that as appendices. There's eight appendices in the new
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  Speaker 5: book with all these ancient church fathers that talked about
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  Speaker 5: the scenes and ancient historians and stuff, and like, Now,
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  Speaker 5: that's a good question though, like in the New Testament,
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  Speaker 5: do you see a correlation can between Like if there
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  Speaker 5: was a group mentioned, who would the Ascenes be? Would
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  Speaker 5: that be the scribes or who do you.
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  Speaker 6: Think describes were a different group, But generally they were
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  Speaker 6: referred to as just the Jews. And the interesting thing
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  Speaker 6: about that is when you actually go back and pull
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  Speaker 6: it all together. There are several scenes in scripture. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: according to the Church Fathers and the Dead Seas Grolls
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  Speaker 6: both Simeon who's sacrifice sacrifice but circumcised. Our Lord apparently
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  Speaker 6: was a teacher of the school of the Prophets, and
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  Speaker 6: therefore in a scene they kept that whole order. Another
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  Speaker 6: one is when Paulin's and Barnabas were anointed to go forth.
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  Speaker 6: It said the Holy Spirit wanted them to go forth
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  Speaker 6: on missionary trips, and it said that three prophets came
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  Speaker 6: down from Antioch and it names them. One of them
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  Speaker 6: was Monocam or Manian as it is in Greek, and
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  Speaker 6: we have his whole history of him being with the
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  Speaker 6: Ascene Order and actually leaving the Sanhedrin because of becoming
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  Speaker 6: a believer, and it's really fascinating to see that whole thing,
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  Speaker 6: all the history behind it.
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  Speaker 5: Was that the same individual that had that prophecy about Herod.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, yeah, that's him.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll talk about that and don't leave the audience
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  Speaker 2: out prophecy of Herod talking.
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  Speaker 5: About Yeah, so there was an a scene named Monoccam
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  Speaker 5: that had when Herod was basically a kid, you know,
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  Speaker 5: he was a young a lot younger.
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  Speaker 3: We're talking about Herod the Great here.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he had this prophecy that he would be
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  Speaker 5: a great king but then eventually become corrupt. Well, when
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  Speaker 5: Herod actually became king, he brought Monocham, you know, two
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  Speaker 5: whomen said like okay, well what now, and like how
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  Speaker 5: long is my reign gonna last? And all that, and
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  Speaker 5: he told him and that that was one of the
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  Speaker 5: amazing things about the scene is that the scenes is
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  Speaker 5: that they're recorded as having one hundred percent perfect prophecy, uh,
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  Speaker 5: and that that's just one small example, but but yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it's it's fascinating stuff.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and when you read in Acts that talks about
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  Speaker 6: how this is Manian or Monocam, the one that was
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  Speaker 6: in Herod's household, So just to let you know, we're.
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  Speaker 7: Talking about the same guy.
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  Speaker 6: The fascinating part about that is it's not even really
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  Speaker 6: that hard. They're known to be prophets. But if you know,
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  Speaker 6: the prophecies about the one that betrays the Christ.
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  Speaker 7: Is in a Dumian.
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  Speaker 6: And then you're looking at rom gooing. We tried Pharisees
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  Speaker 6: that didn't work. We tried Sadducees that didn't work. We're
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  Speaker 6: going back and forth, and so the next logical place
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  Speaker 6: might be one of these five guys ones in a Dumian.
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  Speaker 7: Well that's him. And it's pretty obvious. You can go
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  Speaker 7: back through and look at all.
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  Speaker 6: These things and see how you could just figure it
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  Speaker 6: out almost after the prophecies are given.
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  Speaker 7: It's fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: And we know that the Josephus mentions that the Ascenes
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  Speaker 2: were not just out in the desert, you know, they
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  Speaker 2: had they had they were all over, they were all
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  Speaker 2: over the place. And so he I think he lists
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  Speaker 2: they numbered in the thousands, and so let's talk about that.
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  Speaker 2: The we know as well, you know, the first century
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  Speaker 2: hundred BC. We see even before that the Maccabean revolt,
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  Speaker 2: and so then we see all of the Hasmonium dynasty
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  Speaker 2: and and that that connection that happens in that one
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  Speaker 2: hundred years, you know, basically one hundred BC.
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  Speaker 3: Down to zero, if you want to say it that way.
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  Speaker 2: But let's talk about the time frame, the the scenes
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  Speaker 2: in the sense of what do we know as it
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  Speaker 2: relates to their origination and their time frame and their
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  Speaker 2: extensive even maybe a little bit of a history, how
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  Speaker 2: they rebelled against the Jerusalem, you know, group talk about that.
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  Speaker 6: Basically their story is that Jews were Jews, and when
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  Speaker 6: we came back with Ezra, everybody believed in a Messiah,
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  Speaker 6: him dying for our sins. It's just basic one oh
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  Speaker 6: one Judaism. Then colts rose up for different reasons and
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  Speaker 6: became known as Pharisees and Sadducees. Somehow the cults took
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  Speaker 6: over the government and then ousted them. There was even
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  Speaker 6: these targeted assassinations, and they had to go to Egypt
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  Speaker 6: for a while until the Daniel prophecy about Rome stepping
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  Speaker 6: in and fixing, creating a piece. And at that point
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  Speaker 6: they were supposed to go back into Israel and prepare
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  Speaker 6: the way of the Messiah. So it was all said
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  Speaker 6: in their mind what they should do. So if you
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  Speaker 6: look at it like that, Judaism is the same as
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  Speaker 6: Christianity has the same doctrine. And when they don't because
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  Speaker 6: it's Pharisees and Sadducees, it's basically because a cult rose
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  Speaker 6: up and kind of took everything over. So their basic
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  Speaker 6: ideas that stuff started around the two hundreds BC and
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  Speaker 6: kind of came in waves, and then they had the
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  Speaker 6: dispersion and the comeback, And there's a whole lot of
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  Speaker 6: history that they give. They say that there's actually a
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  Speaker 6: book with everybody's genealogies and the events in Shmida's and
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  Speaker 6: jubileeze throughout all of time that they have, So it's fascinating.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And one of the one of the major things
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  Speaker 5: that caused the split was the issue with the calendar.
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  Speaker 5: So probably around the time of Antiochus Epiphanes fourth, maybe fifth,
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  Speaker 5: but probably the fourth, they they came in and they said, okay, well,
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  Speaker 5: basically we'll let you do some of your Jewish stuff,
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  Speaker 5: but you have to adopt our lunar calendar, because before
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  Speaker 5: that they had a they had a solar one, the
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  Speaker 5: one that they said that God gave to them and uh,
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  Speaker 5: and there there was a big split there. So the
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  Speaker 5: people that would become the scenes uh said that they
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  Speaker 5: weren't going to do that, so they left, and then
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  Speaker 5: the ones that stayed and said, okay, you know, we'll
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  Speaker 5: change our calendar. They changed to this pagan lunar calendar.
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  Speaker 2: So so the Greeks, you're saying that the Greeks were
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  Speaker 2: imposing on them a lunar calendar.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yep.
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  Speaker 5: And and it's interesting because you can look at the
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  Speaker 5: history of the Selucid Empire and they have a calendar
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  Speaker 5: that's basically the same as the lunar calendar that they
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  Speaker 5: ended up adopting, so you can kind of pinpoint where
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  Speaker 5: this was. But according to the scenes, that was a
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  Speaker 5: major sin because there were certain there were certain rituals
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  Speaker 5: that had to be done on specific days, and if
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  Speaker 5: you don't have the proper calendar, you're going to miss
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  Speaker 5: the days. And we know with some of those things,
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  Speaker 5: if you do them wrong, you could lose your life.
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  Speaker 5: And what's really interesting is there's actual records where it
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  Speaker 5: was like before that time, out of all of history,
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  Speaker 5: there was maybe eighteen priests or.
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  Speaker 4: Something like that that have ever died.
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  Speaker 5: But then after that happened, it it jumped up to
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  Speaker 5: like three hundred that died because they were doing these
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  Speaker 5: rituals and things on the wrong days. They were doing
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  Speaker 5: them wrong, so that caused that was one of the
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  Speaker 5: main things that caused its big division. But what's amazing
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  Speaker 5: is that that original solar calendar was perfect and it
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  Speaker 5: fits with the Bible. So when we get day counts
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  Speaker 5: like prophetic day counts with the two whitnesses, or even
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  Speaker 5: even things where it says, you know when the third
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  Speaker 5: day of the month this happened, well, it's it's mentioning
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  Speaker 5: it for a specific reason. And now that we know
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  Speaker 5: what that calendar is, and now that we have that calendar,
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  Speaker 5: thanks largely to people like Ken Johnson, who I wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: be able to put all that together, but we can
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  Speaker 5: actually see like, okay it says this specific day, we
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  Speaker 5: can look and see if it falls on a festival
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  Speaker 5: day or something like that, and even prophetically it answers
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  Speaker 5: amazing questions.
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  Speaker 4: There's a big debate do the.
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  Speaker 5: Two witnesses come in the first half or second half
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  Speaker 5: of the tribulation? Well, in my mind, that's settled now.
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  Speaker 5: It has to be the first half. And I go
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  Speaker 5: into the book as to why it has to do
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  Speaker 5: with they had what's called a leap week every five
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  Speaker 5: or six years. When you look at the prophetic day
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  Speaker 5: counts of the two Witnesses or of all the other
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  Speaker 5: stuff in the second half of the tribulation, it all
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  Speaker 5: fits perfectly, so in the first in the second half,
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  Speaker 5: there's probably not a leap week there.
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  Speaker 4: In the first half.
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  Speaker 5: The two witnesses stuff makes a lot more sense if
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  Speaker 5: you have that extra week, because then you start seeing
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  Speaker 5: festival days that line up with them, and so in
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  Speaker 5: my in my mind, they have.
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  Speaker 4: To come in the first half of the tribulation.
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  Speaker 5: So so things like and there's of course there's other
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  Speaker 5: reasons too, why why that's the case where you don't
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  Speaker 5: need the calendar for that, But it's it's little things
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  Speaker 5: like that, like just knowing those day accounts, having the
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  Speaker 5: calendar and being being able to actually count it out.
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  Speaker 5: It's just it's explosive, it's it's amazing in terms of prophecy.
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  Speaker 2: So so how do we uh, when we think about,
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  Speaker 2: at least in the Bible, that the month begins on
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  Speaker 2: the new moon. So that's very lunar, right, not exactly.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, explain that because again you see, you.
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  Speaker 6: Know, there's a specific word for moon and there's a
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  Speaker 6: specific word for new month, and if you're using a
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  Speaker 6: lunar calendar, it would be one and the same.
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  Speaker 4: But when you go.
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  Speaker 6: Through the scriptures in the Old Testament and the New
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  Speaker 6: Testament Greek, the Greek and Hebrew both it's actually the
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  Speaker 6: word for new month instead, and so it doesn't really.
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  Speaker 4: Say new moon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, khdesh, right, I mean, so you have so that
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  Speaker 2: that's very important because again here you have this I
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  Speaker 2: would say, I don't know, maybe it's forced on it
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  Speaker 2: forced on the text that rodesh is this idea of
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  Speaker 2: a new moon rather than a new month.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's really important that way. Along with what
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  Speaker 6: you were saying, one thing I thought was fascinating is
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  Speaker 6: the we had the yam Kipur war and in nineteen
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  Speaker 6: seventy three, and we just had the war. We're started
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  Speaker 6: with Hamas last year. So when you look at the
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  Speaker 6: dates of when they start, it doesn't it's not the
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  Speaker 6: same date on the Gregorian, the modern Jewish calendar, the
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  Speaker 6: Arabic counter calendar, or any other calendar, but on the
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  Speaker 6: Dead Sea Scroll calendar, it's the exact same day, and
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  Speaker 6: it's that's just one and you could say that's a coincidence.
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  Speaker 6: But when you start seeing all those tiny kind of coincidences,
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  Speaker 6: that's what makes it really interesting to look in the
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  Speaker 6: study of prophecy and other things.
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  Speaker 2: So let's let's talk about then, the the debate that's
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  Speaker 2: happening in the sense, you know, we have the state
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  Speaker 2: of Israel. You know, here they are, you know, what
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  Speaker 2: is it year fifty seven eighty four or something like that, right, whatever,
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  Speaker 2: whatever the year is. But yet that is based on
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  Speaker 2: a pharisaical calendar.
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  Speaker 3: So let's talk about that.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk about these these two For those that might
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  Speaker 2: not know anything about this, like well, yeah, yeah, but
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  Speaker 2: I know, I'm I follow the Jews, I follow israela
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  Speaker 2: supporter of Israel, and I mean, that's that's fine. But
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  Speaker 2: their calendar says it's you know, fifty seventy eighty four whatever.
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  Speaker 2: But what's this idea with the Ascene caller. Let's talk
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  Speaker 2: about the differences there Where Where did it where did
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  Speaker 2: it originate from this this difference.
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  Speaker 6: The major place in the there's a there's an ancient
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  Speaker 6: Pharisee document called the sata Alam.
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  Speaker 7: It's a historical book. It dates from about one sixty
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  Speaker 7: a d.
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  Speaker 6: And it talks about the fact that at one particular
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: point there was a Rabbi Yoshi that didn't want people
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: to associate Daniel chapter nine with the coming of Messiah.
• 16:05
  Speaker 7: So he said, the prophecy.
• 16:06
  Speaker 6: In Daniel nine is from the going forth to rebuild
• 16:09
  Speaker 6: a Jerusalem. That command to the destruction of that temple.
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: Now that's only forty years difference, and of course you
• 16:17
  Speaker 6: can't do that. He was kind of laughed out, but
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: he came up with two other theories about how that which,
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: and he changed the era of the Persians, changed the dates.
• 16:25
  Speaker 7: On that stuff.
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: And still no one liked it, because you just can't
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: do that. But then there was the dispersion and all
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: the other stuff. So then what happens in the second century,
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: second or third century Rabbi helll recreated the calendar, and
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: all of a sudden we have this missing one hundred
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: and seventy one hundred and sixty seven years. And so
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: from that time forward, we've had the lunar calendar with
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: that number on it. And if you go back to
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: the Tulmud, which actually quotes the say to Rolama's accurate history,
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: you can see that they quote it, they look at
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: it as legitimate, but they still hold onto the other system.
• 17:02
  Speaker 6: So we've got actual written documents on how and where
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: those dates changed.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: I think it's important to remember that during this time
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: there was a great amount of even really the first
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: century into the second century, we think about Justin Martyr,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: there was a great level of Christian evangelism or Messianic
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: evangelism by Jews, by Messianic Jews. Of course, as we know,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: the first Christians were Jews, and so you have this
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: history and even Justin Martyr in his book, you know,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: the second century, he's you know, he's talking with Trifle,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: the Jew right, and he's having this discussion and he's
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: talking about Messianic prophecy, and so there was a lot
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: of success as it relates to winning over people who
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: are Jewish based on Messianic prophecy.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: And so you do see this this.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Rabbinic movement that ended up seeking to change even the text,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: the Masterotic text, as well as these others in order
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: to make it not possible for Jesus to be the Messiah,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: and so they to.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: Think in terms of it might have been. And I
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: think it is true in ancient.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Times there was such a for the scribes and others,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: the transcribers who would copy these Hebrew texts. They were
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: very serious and respectful. But later, when you have such
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: success going on with Jesus being received and so obviously
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: right fulfilling messy in a prophecy that the early rabbis
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: were like again after Jesus died in seconds first second history,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: we need to fix this. We need to change this,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: We need to limit the opportunity for.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Jesus to be seen as the Messiah.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's definitely so this comes into play then
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: as it relates to the calendar issues.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for sure.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: And it's really interesting too because going along with that
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: in academia, there's this big mystery, like what happened to
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: these scenes? They just disappeared and they left all of
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: their scrolls behind. Well one thing that and this was
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: something new that I learned that I didn't write about
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: in the first book, but it's in the second book.
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: Is they they there was an ancient custom. I guess
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: you could call it a ritual where they looked at
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: the text as so holy, they weren't just if they
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: were done with them, or they weren't just gonna throw
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: them away, so they would actually like bury them or
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: put them in pots and put them in caves, and
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: so they would do that. So that's probably why a
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: lot of those were left behind. But the Acenes were
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: the early Christians. Those were most likely the ones that
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: you know, when you read through the Gospels, there are
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: sometimes where Jesus just like walks into a room and
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: everybody gets saved, you know, basically, But then there are
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: other times he's saying everything he can say and he
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: just can't make headway with some people. Well, I think
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: that's the difference between who's the Acene and who's the
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: Pharisee or sadducy. Because the Ascenes had all these really
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: specific prophecies of what to look for with the Messiah.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: They knew exactly what it was.
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: They knew that it was that the Messiah was going
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: to be, you know, you know, come into two stages,
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: first coming and second coming, and the Pharisees had a
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: different interpretation of that.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: They thought it was gonna be two different like people.
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: And so when they when they saw all this happening,
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: they knew it and they got saved immediately. Well, those
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: are also the ones that took the Great Commission seriously,
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: and I think well, and they also knew there was
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: this prophecy about the tumble being destroyed. They knew they
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: had to get out anyway. But they were the first Christians.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: They like we come from the Acenes. They went out,
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: they took what scrolls they could, buried the rest, and
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: went out and preached the Gospel to the world.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: And we're the.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: Benefactors of that. And to me, just just the fact
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: that we have that rich of history that most of
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: the Church doesn't know about, I mean, actually a lot
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: of a lot of Jewish people unfortunately don't know about either.
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: Just the fact that that's there is just mind blowing.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: But let's talk about the which what a lot of
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: people want to talk about. And I think because we
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: all love I think we are all guilty of loving dates.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, whether it's date setting, whether it's date suggesting,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: or maybe it's just hopeful. I mean, I mean I
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: would love for the for to know that the date
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: of the rapture or the date of the arrival of
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: the Secondcoming. And so let's talk about the twenty twenty
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: five date. Okay, there's this date. It's not just manufactured
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: out of thin air. Why you know, again, for the
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: average person that doesn't do this like what you guys
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: do in the sense of, you know, study full time
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: and everything, why should twenty twenty five be have any
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: significance at all.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about that.
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: Well, basically, just really quickly. They have a calendar and
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: their concept is there are seven thousand years between the
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: creations and these scenes have a scene between the creation
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: of Genesis and the creations of a new heaven and
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: a new Earth, so that encompasses six thousand years of
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: man's history.
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: And a millennial reign. They have that all mapped out.
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: So theoretically, if that's correct, the last thousand years starts
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: in the year six thousand, and they divide these into
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: jubilee periods fifty year periods, which sometimes they call generations.
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: And so with this they mark the age of Creation,
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: the Age of Torah, and the Age of Grace, and
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: then a millennial reign. So not trying to set dates
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: per se, but on their calendar, that last part should
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: start in the year six thousand. So the last generation
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: or the last fifty year period from before the year
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: six thousand would start in twenty twenty six. So the
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: year twenty twenty five is the jubilee or the fiftieth
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: year of a fifty year period. And so a lot
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: of the scrolls talk about the fact that prophecy can
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: happen at any time, but the bulk of prophecies occur
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: at the change of the ages and the change of
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: the jubilee periods. So when we're looking at that and
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: we think about Jesus talking about the last generation that
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: kind of thing, we see that a lot of prophecies
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: will probably happen in twenty twenty six to twenty seventy five.
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: Now like I would have guessed, Yam or the war
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: end with Hamas would have started a couple of years
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: from now, but it actually started, you know, last year yep.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: So in thinking about this, I know, you know, my
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: backgrounds in the ancient Eery East, and so there's you
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: have the biblical chronology, the kings and everything else, and
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: they do a lot of rainal years and you know,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: fifth King of you know, fifth year or so it's
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: such and such. Well, in thinking about that, you have
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: the trying to connect with a like an absolute date,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: you know, in the sense of especially connecting with Egypt.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Egypt is very helpful when you look about the different
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: dynasties of Egypt. So in that case you have the
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: whether it's the Egyptian chronology or even the Biblical chronology.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Here you have the a scene chronology. So you have
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: these different calendars out there. I guess for us, we're
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: we're sitting here living in the the Gregorian chronology right right,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: So Josh, how how do we get how do we
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: anchor how how do you how do you guys? How
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: do you anchor the Asine calendar anywhere connected with the
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Gregrowian calendar, which will allow us to understand why there's
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: we're in twenty twenty five, Well, it shouldn't two thousand
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: years been there?
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: So where does it anchor at?
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there are definitely differences. But Ken has actually developed
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: a really wonderful free tool on a website called DSS
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: calendar dot org where it puts it superimposes the Ascene
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: calendar right onto our Gregorian calendar, so you could look
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: at and it does it for year to month to day.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: We also do have a print version that he and
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: I worked on together of people are interested in that
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: if they want to hang it on their wall. But
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: it's a free resource and you can use that to
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: see like, okay, so today's you know, this day would
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: of that?
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: What would that be on the Ascene calendar?
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: So that helps out a lot too, so then you
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: don't have to do a bunch of math every single
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: time you want to figure it out.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: And one thing that I wanted to mention.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: To about the prophecies being in the last jubilee and
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: the final jubilee of the Age of Torus, so their
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: ages would be two thousand years apiece, and then there's
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: a final like Sabbath age that's only a thousand years.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: That's we would call that the millennial reign of Christ.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: Well at the at the last fifty years of the
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: Age of Torah that was between twenty five AD and
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: seventy five AD according to our understanding of or seventy
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: six eighty. But it's in that it's in that time period. Well,
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: the Rapture is only one prophecy. There's a lot of
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: prophecies that we have that's going to happen before Jesus
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: returns and sets things straight for the millennial reign. Well,
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: when you think about that, uh, twenty five eighty, Jesus
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: came the first time, probably around twenty nine, thirty eighty
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: somewhere around there, starting ministry, Yeah, starting his ministry, and
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: then look at all of the prophecies that got fulfilled
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: in a really short amount of time until he was
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: killed in thirty two eighty and the in dwelling of
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: the Holy Spirit and all that, and then and then
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: finally you get you get a few decades where things
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: happened too until the destruction of the Temple. But all
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: that really important stuff that sets the stage for the
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: next age. They didn't have to wait till till seventy five,
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: seventy six a d For that to occur. That happened
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: pretty early in the final jubilee of.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: The Age of Torah.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: So while we can't put a specific date, you know,
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: we could say that, yeah, according to the Asscene calendar,
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: twenty seventy six should be like the first day of
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: the New Age if their calendar is correct, and if
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: it continues the way that we think it's going to.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: But that doesn't mean that we have to wait all
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: that time, or even seven years before that, necessarily for
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: the rapture. There's a lot of different ways that this
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: could pan out. We could have an early rapture, and
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: you could have a gap between the rapture and the tribulation.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: That's one possibility. You could also have a gap between
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: the end of the tribulation and when the next age starts.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: How long is it going to take for Jesus to
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: judge everybody?
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: How long is it going to take to set the
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: world up and to build the amazing temple in city
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: that we read about at the end of Ezekiel, which,
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: of course we all believe that's all totally literal, it's
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: not figurative. Well, that stuff takes time, and I don't
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: think Jesus is just gonna come down stamp its fingers
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: and everything's different. I think that stuff is going to
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: have to be built, so we don't necessarily have to
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: wait that long. We can't put a date on the rapture,
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: of course there is, and there's nothing in the Dead
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: Sea scrolls saying any kind of date or anything like that.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: It's really consistent with Biblical theology. There's little hints of
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: the rapture throughout it, but it doesn't give us a date,
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: so we don't know. But so the dates that we
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: have are are more about a time frame rather than
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: a specific date. So we're looking at a fifty year
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: time frame where a lot of things could happen early on,
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: just like just like it did at the end end
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: of the Age of Toras. So I think I think
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: that can kind of help hopefully relieve some people when
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: they hear twenty seventy five.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: I gotta wait that long. I'm not going to live
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: that long. You know.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Let's let's talk about that, because you know, and I'd
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: just like to throw things out there.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: That's where my mind works.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: So we know on the Gregorian calendar that we are
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: if if.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Jesus, most New Testament scholars.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Believe Jesus was Crispine resurrected on thirty or thirty three.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Eighty Okay, that's the kind of the those two years.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Some people will say twenty nine, but that that's not
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: the best aid, is that thirty two to thirty three framework.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: Okay, So.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I don't think we've lost too much understanding in our calendar.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: What I mean by that is here, let's fast forward
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: to twenty thirty two, Like, so here, what you've got
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: eight years from now? Well, it's pretty solid then that
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: there's two thousand years going from the time of Jesus
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: to this period of from thirty two a d. To
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: twenty thirty two, And that is that's an age. That's
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: an age, right, I mean according to the scene calendar,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: not calendar, but according to the scene chronology of two
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: thousand years being an age.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: So is is it possible?
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: And we also know that again seventy eight the temple
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: was destroyed, So are are things?
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Are things based?
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: Could it?
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Could it be off?
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Could could have the New Age began at the time
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: of Jesus's resurrection and then the temple gets destroyed forty
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: years later in the new still new Age of grace?
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: Could there? Could there be?
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: Is it off? Could it be by forty years off?
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Because here's what I'm saying is that if we let's
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: say we come to twenty seventy five and uh, you know,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: we'll still be here, Lord Willing. Maybe Okay, that's that's
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: that's forty years from now. Well, it's longer than that,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: it's fifty years now. Maybe I won't be here. Okay,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: but let's say we're sitting here and we're old and
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: decrepit by that time at twenty seventy five do But
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: now we're looking, hey, it's been two thousand and forty
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: years from the time of Jesus' resurrection. That seems a
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: little bit weird, doesn't it that you would have not
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: two thousand, you'd have two thousand and forty.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: You understand I'm.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: Saying, I understand what you're saying. Yeah.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: So, so the way that I understand it, they would
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: have a specific date as the beginning of the next age,
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: even if it doesn't specifically line up with anything prophetic
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: on that date. So there, so their final you believe
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: in the Age of Tora would have started twenty five AD,
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: and I don't know that there was anything specific that
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: occurred there. Now now we would say, well, the Church
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: Age began in thirty two thirty three a d with
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: with the dwelling of the Holy Spirit, and yeah it did.
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: That's that that's when like the church really started.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: We're coming up to two thousand anniversary.
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: But the specific age, in the way that they lined
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: out their chronology would have been twenty five to seventy five.
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: So the way that I kind of explain it in
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: the book is it seems like in these final fifty
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: year periods, and you can even see this in every age.
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: You see this in the first stage too, with the
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: Tower of Babel and Call of Abraham and all that.
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: But it seems like there's this period of time where
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: prophecies start to happen to get ready for the next age,
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: so that when that you know, seventy five seventy six
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: ady date hits, everything is set in place for the
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: next age to begin, even if some of that started early.
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: So it would be like if I was gonna throw
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: a birthday party next Friday, you know, well, I I
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: have some things to prepare before then, So I gotta
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: get a cake, maybe I do that tomorrow. I gotta
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: get the presence, I gotta higher attractions, you know, And
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: I would spend the rest of this week like doing
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: all that. So I'm doing things to get ready for
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: the party. But that's not specifically the party, even though
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: they're all going to play important roles when the party happens.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: So that at Friday, at three o'clock, let's say the
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: party happens, I think it's kind of the same way.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: So the way that I look at it, these these
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: final Jubilee periods, it's almost as if these two ages
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: are kind of like melding together, where you get the
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: start of one while the other one's winding down, and
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: so you get this kind of blending thing. So I
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: don't think that we would say necessarily that, well, since
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: thirty two AD that was the end dwelling of the
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: Holy Spirit, so that's the start of that age. I
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: don't think these things would have saw it like that.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: That would have been one prophetic thing that happened in
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: that age at the tail end, at the tail end.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: To prepare for the next stage.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then but the official start would have been
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: seventy five seventy six AD. But that's all so why
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: it's really difficult to put exact set dates on this.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: It's more of like time periods that we look at.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: Does that make sense.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: The thing that I would add to that is I
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: think we can rock solid set dates for their calendar system,
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: not necessarily the prophecies on it. So, for instance, on
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: their system, which ends at seventy five, they talked about
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: the first coming of the Messiah when he would atone
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: for our sin nature, and the event that that would
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: occur is one Shmida after the end of the ninth
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: jubilee of that Wenna. And so if you look at
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: the end of the age being seventy five minus a
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: whole jubilee period which is twenty five, and then you
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: go forward to Shmieda, which is a seven year period,
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: it brings us to thirty two. So they're saying in
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: it's scroll eleven q. Thirteen, they're saying that the Messiah
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: would take care of our sin nature. Thirty two thirty
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: three AD is what we would put on our calendar,
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: so that you know, let's sink in really really well,
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: give or take a year. And so that means the
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: end of their calendar year for the year six thousand
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: would be seventy five or seventy six, twenty seventy five,
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: two seventy six. So I think that's pretty rock solid
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: as far as the other prophecies, like he's saying, I mean,
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: you've got Jesus being born thirty years later, dying, the
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: church age starting several years later, the destruction of the
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: Jerusalem Temple two years later, the taking down to the
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: Assine Temple, and then the end of the age a
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: couple of years later, and then several years later you
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: got the Barcokmo Rebellion, and when that finally ended, that
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: pretty much ended everything, and then the Great Dispersion. So
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: you've got one hundred and fifty year period there where
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: all sorts of things happen as a group kind of
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: and so we're seeing that today. Actually, if you take
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: one hundred and fifty years before the year six thousand,
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: you had the Balfour Declaration, you had the establishment of
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: Israel in nineteen forty eight, the taking back the Temple
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: Mountain sixty seven on, all the other things that have happened,
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: the new priesthood to practice, sacrifices that have started out,
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: so all those things are going in process.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: So the year six thousand, what Gregorian year?
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: Would that mean two.
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: Thousand and seventy five?
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, but yeah, because that would be.
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: The year six thousands.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: So let me ask you this question, and again thinking
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: out loud here is so, ultimately, if we're comparing what
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: we've experienced in reality this in the sense of the
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Christian era, from a Christian perspective, we would recognize theologically
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: that the Age of Grace began at Pentecost, right, and so,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: and we're coming up on that two thousand years. You know,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: here again we're ten years nine years short, or so
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: eight to nine years short. So does that make any
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: any difference in the sense of understanding that the Age
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: of Grace truly now not not an Unsene way, but
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: in a practical way, truly began at the time after
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Jesus's death and resurrection.
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: I would think it could. And I think it depends
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: on how you use the term. Like, for instance, I
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: know in a lot of the Church Fathers, they talk
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: about how the Antichrist persecutes us, the believers the church,
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: and everybody says, oh, well, that's got to be you know,
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: post trip rapture type stuff. And when you look at
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: the way they use the church, they're talking about believers.
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: They actually define it from Abraham forward. So when they
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: say church, and that's not how we use church, right,
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but.
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: They mean believers, okay.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: And so when we historically even all the way back right, Okay, So.
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: When we say the Age of Grace, you and I
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: are talking about the Church age, and I think they're
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: talking about the age of Grace.
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: On a calendar, which may be different.
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: So the church age and their age of Grace might
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: be different than what we refer to as the church Age.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, anything you want to add to that,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Oh no.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: That's exactly right.
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: So you know, you ask any Christian nowadays, like how
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: long is the church Age, and they'd say, well, it's
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: been about two thousand years, but we don't know how
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: long it's gonna last. It could be another six thousand years.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: But if you were to ask in a scene the
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: same question, when they hear age, they're thinking a two
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: thousand year period specifically, so they would just say two
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: thousand years. So yeah, it just depends on how we
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: use the terms.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because obviously, you know, even in terms of you know,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: the Torah as it relates to the you know, the
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: six hundred and thirty commands, I mean that came with Moses, yeah,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: you know, and in fourteen hundred BC, fourteen forty five,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: you know, fourteen forty four BC.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: So that's that's.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Certainly you know, many centuries after Abraham, right, and so
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: to have it be super tight like that, exactly, it's
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: hard to believe that the Tora began with Abraham.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: Now it's still the age of Torah even before the
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: Torah came to be, because the Age of Tora would
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: have started with the call of Abraham, but it was
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: again setting up everything that needed to be for that
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: age to operate and work. So there's a lot of
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: different problem the season, different ways on how things can be,
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: when things can happen within certain ages. But it's like,
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: what is that period mostly known for.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: That's the Age of Torah.
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: As a matter of fact, according to some of the
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: manuscripts it talks about the Age of Torah we're teaching
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: is supposed to start with the guy that starts the.
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: Group of people.
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: So Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob kind of are the ones
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: that started Israel, and the nation of Israel would bring Messiah.
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: So that's the start of the Age of Torah.
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: And when you look at their chronology, the call of
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: Abraham when he was fifty two, not when he went
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: down to Canaan, but when he was called actually was
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: the year two thousand on their calendar, so that hit
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: exactly at the end of an age.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: So I mean, so here we're talking about, you know,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: we're coming up on the year.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: You know, twenty twenty five.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: You know, we got six months left to twenty four
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: or so, seven months left. Then what's significant then, in
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: the sense of trying to explain the scene calendar, what's happening.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Let's let's go to.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: March March of twenty twenty five, spring equinox. Let's talk
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: about what is significant about that it begins.
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: This next March begins the fiftieth year of this jubilee period,
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: and then the following year is the last generation or
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: the last jubilee before that. So we should start seeing
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: a lot of prophecy fulfilled. And we have seen things
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: that we've never seen before, like Iran actually attacking Israel.
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: That's prophesied in several scrolls and in scriptures, but we've
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: never seen that before.
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: Now, this was short lived, but.
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: It's not the only time this is going to happen,
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: because there's some great details in that. We've seen a
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: lot of things happen with Israel.
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: And we will begin to see.
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: A lot of wars, a lot of expansion, a lot
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: of different things. Zeph and Iah Obadiah talks about the
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: time when they colonize the Negev, they take back Gaza,
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: They control Lebanon up to Zerophath, which is the six
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: miles north of the Tawny River, which is where they're
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: saying they're going to take and control that now as
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: part of the and whether that actually happens or whether
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: it happens in some political figure later on gives the
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: land back, which has happened multiple times. Either way, we
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: see it in prophecy. So there's a lot of interesting
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: things happening.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Any think Josh, I think he covered it. So you know,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna I know what all of you are
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: thinking out there, and I'm going to be your advocate
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: right now. Okay, Now, I don't want to believe that
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: we have until twenty seventy five, Okay, that.
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: Well, that's just till the beginning of the millennium. Right,
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: So we got a tribulation, we have all sorts of
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: prophecies that need to be fulfilled in that time, and
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: they could all come early because there's again it's perfectly
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: reasonable to have the end of the tribulation and still
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: have some decades before the next age starts, and because
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: there might there might be things that need to be done. Again,
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: how long does how long does it take for Jesus
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: to judge everybody at that time.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: How long does it.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: Take to build the temple and for people to you know,
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: beat their swords into plowshares and to get the word
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: around the whole world this is the way that things
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: are now? How long does it take to build that
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: temple and that and that city?
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: They're talking like the millennial tip, Yeah, the millennial like.
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: That we read about in Ezekiel, Like, how long does
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: all of that take? I don't And again, I don't
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: think it's going to be the day that Jesus plants
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: his feet on the ground all of a sudden, this
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: stuff is miraculously just there. It could be, and I
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: don't know for sure, again because there's a lot of
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: different ways this could play out, But it could be
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: that that takes time. And again, another option is you
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: could have an early rapture in a later tribulation. And
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: you could have because the rapture isn't what starts the tribulation.
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: It's you know, the covenant designing is the confirmation of
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: the covenant with many is what starts the tribulation. So
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: there's a theory out there that it's possible you could
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: have the rapture happen, and you could have years in
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: between that and the tribulation. So that's a possibility as well.
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: I'm like you, I don't want to believe that we
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: have to wait till I'll be ninety years old. Yeah,
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: if I make it that long. But so there are
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: different ways, and it might be that, but are there
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: are ways to look at it where there's nothing preventing
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: a rapture from the rapture from happening immediately today, before
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: we even finish this interview. There's nothing preventing that, and
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: then you can still have all of those prophecies happen
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: within that period and still have the calendar makes sense,
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: Or maybe Jesus was just literally, I'm gonna cut the
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: day short and we're not gonna wait till twenty seventy five.
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: So there's God can do whatever he wants. But I
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: think the consistent view would be to look at twenty
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: seventy five twenty seventy six to be the time where
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: everything is put in place, everything is finished, where we
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: can start.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: The first day of the Millennial rain.
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: Everything's done, temple's built, city's built, everybody knows the new rules,
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: they know the festivals, all the other nations know that
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: they got to come up for tabernacles and just everything's done.
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: And I would think, just practically, that's probably gonna take
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: some time to set up. I don't think it's going
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: to be able to be done the last day of
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: the tribulation. But you know, again, there's different ways to
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: look at it.
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's a good point.
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: The whole idea of the scripture says that those days will.
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: Be cut short. Now that might be five days, or
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: it might be days.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Like a couple of decades, could be five decades. Could
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: it be a whole jubilee cut short?
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: I would assume I would. I wouldn't think it'd be
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: a whole jubilee. Of course, if that's the case, the
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: rapture should have happened a couple of years ago.
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: So yeah, so no, I guess not.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, you start thinking about again, I
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: love you know, we're not date sitting here, but it's
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: fun to speculate it. I mean, no one's sitting a day,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: but it's fun to think out loud about the possibilities.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: And you know, we're all to be no matter what
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: we decide today or not. Figure out or whatever. We're
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: still going to get up tomorrow and do the Lord's work.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: No one's quitting their jobs. I find it go ahead.
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: I think one point that we need to remember too
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: is we're talking about calendar systems which may or may
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: not be hundred percent accurate. If we looked at the
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: modern Jewish calendar and tried to pinpoint the year six thousand,
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: it's over two hundred and twenty years away.
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'd much rather have it.
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: Be fifty years instead of two twenty. Yeah, you know,
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: so if we're looking at the Gregorian calendar, I think
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: we missed it by twenty four years. So it's just
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: like it's a calendar system.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Well, and that's kind of what I look at too,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: is you know, again we are you know, when when
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Pope Gregory, you know again Gregorian, when he's looking at
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: you know, the Julian calendar, the Roman calendar, and then
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: he starts like, you know, we need to make this
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: a little bit better, at least christianize it, right. Was
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: certainly that's what he did as a Catholic. Well, you know,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: he looked back and he could see there were some discrepancies.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: I think he'd dropped like thirteen days or sixteen days
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: off of He's like, well, this doesn't work, so let's
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: just we're going to evaporate those and we're going to
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: squeeze it all together. Which again that's the nature of
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: looking at different calendar systems. You know, Egyptians used to
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: have a ten day week, I mean, you have stuff
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: like that. So I think what what I look at
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: is that's what I was leading up to. Well, if
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: the thirty two to thirty three date of Jesus's death
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: or resurrection is relatively accurate, which I think most scholars
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: would recognize that's true, then we're coming up on an
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: age ending. So, even if it's not necessarily connected to
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: the specifics of the Seeing calendar, their idea of what
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: an age would be as two thousand years, And in
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: my mind, I like the idea much better. I'm sorry, guysense,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: no offense. I like the idea of thinking, which again
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: it's not a prophecy by any means of thinking, that
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: the Church age, the Church had an opportunity to evangelize
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: the world for a full age and that would end
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: roughly around thirty two or thirty three AD.
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Jesus might come back in that year to finish
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: what he started when and then there's still time for
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: the tribulation before that, I mean, and if that's the case, man,
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: the rapture should be come up pretty soon.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Because what I find fascinating is going back to some
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: of the other stuff that you and I have talked before,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Josh about even a P office and yeah, thinking in
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: terms not so much of the of the twenty twenty
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: nine date, but of the twenty thirty six date, which
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: I find interesting too that you know, again, I don't
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: think we could prove that a P office arrives at
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: three point five years into the tribulation to that level
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: of specificity.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: But if we were to go with that as.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: A theory, I know, talking to you and Derek and
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: even Tom was you know, then you subtract three and
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: a half years roughly that it brings.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: You to the fall of twenty twenty five. So you think,
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: oh wow.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: But if we were to look at it differently, in
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: the sense of a thirty three date or thirty two,
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: with that twenty thirty six, you know, in the middle
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: of twenty thirty six, and you take three and a
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: half off of that, it brings you back. It brings
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: you back if a POFUS was.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: To hit the earth.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Athetically in twenty thirty six, because even Neil Neil Degrest Tyson.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: I have a clip from him not too long ago
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: where he describes that the twenty twenty nine arrival of
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: a pofue. He said, he's specially there's this key hole.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: There is the language that we use, and if it
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: comes through and it's supposed to come under twenty thousand,
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: around twenty thousand miles near the surface of the Earth
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty nine, well the moon's at you know,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: to forty two hundred forty thousand. So the way he
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: was describing it was, if it comes through this key hole,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: it's going to affect the trajectory, the orbital trajectory of
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: the pofas, so that when it comes back. This is
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: his words, Yeah, secular guy, he's not a Christian. He said,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: if it comes through this queue, the sixth center mile
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: key hole in twenty twenty nine and just scrapes us,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: it will hit us in twenty thirty six.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: I found that really amazing that he was willing to
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: say that publicly, because he's got a lot of steak
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: in his mindset. But again that idea would then fit
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: with a twenty thirty three.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: The dates still work date.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: That dates work, which gives me some hope that I
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: won't be I was born in seventy four, nineteen seventy four,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: so you're still young. Well, at the end of it,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: I'll be uh, I'll be one hundred.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: And two, gentlemen, I was born in eighty.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Four, so okay, so youll be a little younger than me,
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: A little younger than me.
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: You're both young.
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: I was born in sixty when they're born.
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: It's been so long, sixty five, sixty.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Five, Yeah, nineteen sixty five, so we got twenty years apart,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: ten years apart.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you'll be one hundred and ten rough.
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: If I do the asscene diet and use the herbal
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: medicine just right, I might still be well.
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: I think it's interesting. No matter how you look at it, all.
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: Those dates and speculations, you notice it's all in the
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: last jubilee, Yeah, which is in the last generation according
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  Speaker 6: to scrolls.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's even another one at twenty sixty eight date,
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  Speaker 5: and that's seven years from twenty seventy.
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  Speaker 3: Five, is Yeah, the twenty sixty eight up Office states.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean needless to say, I think all of us,
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  Speaker 2: regardless of whether we look at the ascene calendar, where
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: we look at anything else. The average person. I mean,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: come on, guys, the average person. That is just all
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  Speaker 2: of us here we are. I mean thinking about the world.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: I think about. And when I mean the average person,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking about, you know, not in an academic sense.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: I don't really mean it now.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: I just mean like my brothers or my sisters, the
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  Speaker 2: average American out there that's sitting there just living life
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: and not necessarily focused on prophecy. They're looking around and
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: they're going, man, the world's changed. Something has changed. And
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: so we see when we see this and we see
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  Speaker 2: Israel becoming a nation in nineteen forty eight, you know,
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  Speaker 2: them controlling the Old City in nineteen sixty seven in Jerusalem,
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  Speaker 2: we are not this isn't I don't see. Oh, well,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: you know Jesus will come back in a thousand years. No,
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: the fact that God brought is roll back in nineteen
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  Speaker 2: forty eight was the big sign that we are approach
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  Speaker 2: the end of the age. And now, of course we've
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: seen a prophecy begin to unfold. So as we look,
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  Speaker 2: we don't even need the scene calendar to tell us that, right, right,
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: we can just look around and say, yes, here we are.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: But then to have some of these other calendars come
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: and they seem.
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  Speaker 3: Very consistent, it's pretty amazing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really interesting too because according to these scenes,
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  Speaker 5: at the end of every age there there's always an apostasy.
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  Speaker 5: So in the first age there's the Tower of Babel incident,
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  Speaker 5: second age we got everything with Jesus and the Pharisees,
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: and there was clearly.
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: Apostasy going on there.
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: And then you look at the if this is the
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  Speaker 5: end of our age, you look at the world today,
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: this is so different than any other time in history,
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: just with the technology that we have, I mean, and
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: it's almost hard to realize it because we've been born
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: into it, so it just seems normal to us. But
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: human beings as far as we know, have never lived
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: like this, Like this is so weird and different, and
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: it's brought up so much like debauchery, and really you'd
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: call it apostasy, like it's brought up so much opportunities
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  Speaker 5: for or more evil, more than we've ever seen in
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: the history of the world. And to me, it's like
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: that's too weird to just not be anything, Like, why
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: is it now, all of a sudden that we have
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  Speaker 5: this big technological revolution.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it wasn't that long ago.
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: We were still we were still using horses and carriages
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: and stuff.
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  Speaker 4: And why is it now? I mean, why couldn't the
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: Greeks have done that? They could have. They they were smart,
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: you know, they had math.
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: And everything, and any other nation could have done that
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: at any other time. But it was like there was
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: something restraining it charged word. But and it seems like
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: that whatever that restraining is is kind of lifting, you know,
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: And and all of a sudden we live in this crazy,
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: weird world and it's just we're we're in a place,
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: especially now, where you cannot believe anything. We have more
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: evidence for things than we've ever had before. We got
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: video evidence, and you know, nobody ever had that before.
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: But you can't believe anything you see on TV. You
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: can't believe any video you see. If you see a
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: video of Donald Trump saying something, you don't know if
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: it's a deep fake or if that was actually real.
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: And that that's like the world we're in now. I
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: mean again, I'm only like forty years old. But it's
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: so different from the eighties. I mean, we didn't have
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: any of this stuff. Yeah, and uh, but but now,
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: I mean and and it's exponentially.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: It's it's getting.
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: Faster and faster and faster, to the point where every
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: year doesn't feel anything like the last. So for that
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: to be just nothing and just to be business as usual,
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: it's not significant at all.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: I'm not buying it.
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: I think I think I think we're at the end
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: of an age here, and I think this kind of
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: thing is what we'd expect.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: I think we have the These are those correspondences that
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: come to play where we can look around again. The
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: average person knows that that the world has changed again,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: even unbelievers.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: What the world?
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: What has happened, especially to our country and other things,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: all the wokeness, all the all the gender confusion.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is this is crazy stuff.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: And then to have these other convergences of the calendars
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: come into the uh. You know, if you if you
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: want more information, I'll certainly go to a prophecy watches
• 52:01
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• 52:02
  Speaker 3: Check out our bookstore. Both both of these guys are.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: On there, and we carry all of your material.
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I should mention too.
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  Speaker 5: My my new book, the Super Expanded Version, seven hundred
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: and twelve pages. It's going to be available at prophecywatchers
• 52:14
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  Speaker 5: could be by the time this airs it might already
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• 52:24
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• 52:25
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and we'll we'll definitely, we'll definitely come back
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: and do a one on one interview for sure on
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: that and once I get my my greedy little hands
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: on it and to do it, and so you know,
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: both of you guys kind of share in addition to
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: you know, obviously you've joined us here, which we're excited about.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: But where can people find out more information about what
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: you're doing?
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: Sure, Well, my other website is Daily Renegade dot com
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: and that's a place where I put all of my videos.
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: I talk a lot about Dead Sea scroll stuff, and
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: then also like on physics or and prophecy, anything related
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: to Prophecy I talk about. That's on Daily Renegade dot
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: com and I'm also on YouTube, but I like using
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: the website because on the website I can.
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: Say whatever I want.
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: I don't have to deal with censorship issues, and so
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: there's that. I'm also on Facebook and pretty much anywhere
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: that people want to try to find me, they can
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: find me there. But yeah, the main other website is
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: Daily Runnegay dot com.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: Ken about how do people find you?
• 53:20
  Speaker 7: I'm at Bible facts dot org.
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: We do a live Monday teaching on YouTube which is
• 53:25
  Speaker 6: doing very well, and like you, I try to give
• 53:28
  Speaker 6: out as much information I can, saying it the right
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: way so I won't get in any trouble. But we
• 53:34
  Speaker 6: do have a private network at Bible facts dot org,
• 53:37
  Speaker 6: so we can come there and speak freely and discuss things.
• 53:41
  Speaker 6: So it's getting really interesting.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Any I know, you just got a new book, and
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Ken has a new book, Ancient Prophecies from the Dead
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Sea Scrolls. You will see more about that and other
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: programs that we've already recorded. Any other projects you guys
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: are working on, I mean, and you guys are just
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: I always hate to say, it's like, man, I just
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: got done with this, but any things.
• 54:00
  Speaker 7: In the works, Ken, Yeah, I'm doing a couple of things.
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: This is probably the last big effort of Dead Sea Scrolls,
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: the prophetic part. Anyway, there's other things to look at.
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: But now that I've got the Church Fathers and the
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: Dead Sea Scrolls halfway straight in my mind, I want
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: to put together a master prophecy book, Bible Prophecy, Dead
• 54:21
  Speaker 6: Sea Squirrel Prophecy, and others, with some charts, photos and
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: stuff like that, and I think that would really open up.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: How they coincide with each other.
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, yeah, And so I'm going through all of
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: my previous books and I'm updating and expanding all of
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: them because I write on a lot of different topics,
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: all pretty much relating to prophecy.
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: But I find it so fascinating.
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: I keep up with this stuff and keep notes, and
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: I've realized that, like even even the quantum physics books
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: that I have out there, I have so much more
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: information on that now. So I'm going to be that's
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: probably gonna be my next project after this Forgotten Prophecies
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: of the Dead Sea Squirrells book. I'm going to take
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: everything that I've written about quantum physics, scerned, you know, everything,
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: compile it all together, add a bunch of new information
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: that i've come up with in the years since up
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: to up to present day, and uh put out put
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: out one expanded version of all that for people. And
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: then you and I are working on a documentary together
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: about the pre Trie Rapture and I'm really excited about that.
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: So we're doing that, doing a lot of stuffier at
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: Prophecy Watchers, and then as far as after that, after
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: that the Quantum Physics cern book, I don't know, we'll see, uh,
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: we'll see what the Lord has in store.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Amen to that. Well, this has been great.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: I hope you've enjoyed our conversations. Again, remind you to
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• 55:41
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• 55:46
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• 55:48
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• 55:51
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• 55:54
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• 55:57
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