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The Kenny Report | 30 September · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Laura from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Good to see you for another week.
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Speaker 2: Here on the Kenny Report tonight, how the weakness of
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Speaker 2: our federal and state labor governments has been provocative supportive
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Speaker 2: as supporters of Islamist extremist terrorist groups take to our streets.
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Speaker 1: And there are no arrests.
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albernizi has been culpable and pathetic on this.
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Speaker 1: Voters need to get rid of him.
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Speaker 2: All those countries, including Australia, who were calling for a
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Speaker 2: ceasefire last week would have saved the life of Hesbalah
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Speaker 2: leader as Hassan Naslali.
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Speaker 1: What foolish diplomacy is that.
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Speaker 2: Meanwhile at home, our smug Treasurer Jim Chalmers is again
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Speaker 2: singing his own praises while you deal with the cost
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Speaker 2: of living crisis. Also across to Israel, I'll talk media
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Speaker 2: with Sophie Illsworth, will look at the limiting price hike
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Speaker 2: in private health insurance too, and discuss ridiculous COVID rules
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Speaker 2: with our panel.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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Speaker 2: The Albaneze labor government and its labor mates in Victoria
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Speaker 2: and New South Wales have failed you in their most
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Speaker 2: basic responsibilities. They've abused your trust. They do not take
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Speaker 2: seriously their solemn obligation to keep you safe and to
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Speaker 2: protect the freedoms and values of this country. Because once more,
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Speaker 2: on the streets of Sydney and Melbourne on the weekend,
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Speaker 2: they allowed some people to openly support listed Islamist terrorists
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Speaker 2: and terrorist organizations without sanction. This is the preaching of
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Speaker 2: hatred and division on our streets. The flags of Hesblah
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Speaker 2: were on display and some chances in Melbourne shouted allegiance
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Speaker 2: to the Hesbala leader Hassan Nasraala, killed in an Israeli
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Speaker 2: bunker bomb attack on Saturday, hailed as a martyr by
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Speaker 2: Islamist extremists. This is the celebration on our streets of
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Speaker 2: sectarian violence, of the murder of Jews and any others
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Speaker 2: that the Islamist extremists consider as infidels, and nobody, not
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Speaker 2: one person was arrested. This is abhorrent to most Australians.
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Speaker 2: It spits in the face of all we stand for
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Speaker 2: as a nation. And incredibly, almost a year after October seventh,
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi is still pathetic, still sounding like a spectator.
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Speaker 3: We have continued to call for a de escalation of
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Speaker 3: that conflict in the Middle East at the same time,
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Speaker 3: we've seen worrying signs over the weekend. We do not
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Speaker 3: want people to bring radical ideologies and conflict here. Our
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Speaker 3: multiculturalism and social cohesion cannot be taken for granted, and
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Speaker 3: it's important that we continue to stress that that is
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Speaker 3: the case as we go forward as well.
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Speaker 1: We don't want to see this. We don't want to
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Speaker 1: see that.
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Speaker 2: Is this some punter looking on from a park bench
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Speaker 2: or watching events on TV? Or is this the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister of the nation, the bloke who has seen this
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Speaker 2: happen since October the eighth last year and done absolutely
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Speaker 2: nothing about it. I simply cannot abide this. This is
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Speaker 2: our country going down the toilet, and this bloke is culpable.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister is unforgivably negligent. Here's what happened fifty
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Speaker 2: one weeks ago in Sydney, just the day after twelve
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Speaker 2: hundred Israelis were slaughtered with the most unimaginable savagery and
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Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty were taken hostage.
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Speaker 4: I'm smiling and I'm happy.
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Speaker 1: That's a day of courage.
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Speaker 2: And the very next night we saw this abomination at
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Speaker 2: the Opera House.
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Speaker 1: Now, that turned out to be just the start.
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Speaker 2: As you know, there were more protests, more threats, intimidating
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Speaker 2: forays into Jewish neighborhoods in Sydney and in Melbourne, and
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Speaker 2: Alberanzi did nothing.
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Speaker 1: He's allowed all this to fester. In fact, worse than nothing.
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Speaker 2: Albanesi and his government have continually criticized Israel. They've blamed
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Speaker 2: the victim, and they've weakened Australia's support for Israel. And
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Speaker 2: they've abandoned Jewish Australians by constantly equating their very real
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Speaker 2: fears to some imagined problem of Islamophobia. This is the
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Speaker 2: ripping up of our social compact in this country before
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Speaker 2: our very eyes. This is the demonization of one group
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Speaker 2: of Australians and threats against them by some members of
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Speaker 2: another group. And government, state and federal have been standing
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Speaker 2: back and doing nothing.
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Speaker 1: I showed you just.
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Speaker 2: Last week how the flag of Hesbalah was being paraded
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Speaker 2: on our streets in a Sydney protest. I was outraged,
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Speaker 2: I highlighted it, we followed up with the Federal police,
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Speaker 2: but nothing happened. The media ignored it, the governments ignored it,
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Speaker 2: and now they all expressed surprise when we saw Hesbellah
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Speaker 2: celebrated again at rallies in Melbourne and Sydney a few
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Speaker 2: days later. This shows how the politicians are culpable. They
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Speaker 2: need to direct the police on this stuff, or change
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Speaker 2: the laws if needs be, and be proactive in what
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Speaker 2: they say, but instead they avert their eyes and the
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Speaker 2: problem just gets worse. And then the Home Affairs Minister
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Speaker 2: offers up this statement yesterday. Any indication of support for
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Speaker 2: a terrorist organization is unequivocally condemned, said Tony Burke. It
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Speaker 2: draws the immediate attention of our security agencies. There is
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Speaker 2: a higher level of scrutiny if anyone is on a visa.
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Speaker 2: I have made clear from day one that I will
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Speaker 2: consider refusing and canceling visas for anyone who seeks to
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Speaker 2: incite discord in Australia.
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Speaker 1: He's made clear.
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Speaker 2: Burke has made nothing clear on this for almost a year,
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Speaker 2: nothing except his impotence on this issue, his unwillingness to
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Speaker 2: call out the extremists to condemn those demonizing Israel.
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Speaker 1: And Jewish Australians.
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Speaker 2: Burke and Labor have done nothing in a year, and
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Speaker 2: the problem is only getting worse.
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Speaker 1: Where was Burke last week when we highlighted the Hesbala symbols.
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Speaker 2: Where was he last October after the celebrations in his
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Speaker 2: own part of Sydney of a Hummus terrorist atrocity.
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Speaker 1: Where was he after.
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Speaker 2: The opera house Chance disgraced our country and threatened Jewish Australians.
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Speaker 2: Now he offers some merely mouthformulate condemnation.
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Speaker 1: The Opposition leader is onto him.
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Speaker 5: The law should be enforced and I find it completely
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Speaker 5: unacceptable that the government wouldn't be arresting people already or
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Speaker 5: canceling visas of people who are glorifying Hesblah and Hamas
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Speaker 5: and others. They have no place in our country. We're
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Speaker 5: the greatest country in the world and we shouldn't be
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Speaker 5: afraid to defend and protect it. And if Tony Burke
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Speaker 5: continues to talk of the game, that's one thing, but
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Speaker 5: he needs to follow through with it.
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Speaker 2: If ever, we needed reminding the events of the past year,
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Speaker 2: the rising extremist element in these protests, it just proves
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Speaker 2: that weakness is provocative. These are ugly and disturbing times.
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Speaker 2: I walked right into that Melbourne protest with my family yesterday.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't get out of there quickly enough. And of
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Speaker 2: course not everyone there is an extremist, And of course
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Speaker 2: most Australian Muslims are concerned for the Lebanese and Palestinian
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Speaker 2: civilians in the Middle East as we all are, and
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Speaker 2: they'll be alarmed by the extreme elements in their own communities.
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Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean we'd turn a blind eye to
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Speaker 2: the extremists. Our governments, state and federal have a prime
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Speaker 2: obligation to keep us safe and to combat people and
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Speaker 2: groups within our society that wish ill to this country
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Speaker 2: and to other law abiding people in this country. Open
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Speaker 2: support for Islamist terrorist groups is a threat of violence.
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Speaker 2: It is treasonous, it is vilification and it should never
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Speaker 2: be tolerated. But the Albanezy labor government and the state
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Speaker 2: labor governments in Victoria and New South Wales have done nothing.
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Speaker 2: Seemingly desperate to avoid the risk of offending Muslim voters
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Speaker 2: in key electorates, they've offered nothing but platitudes. Until today,
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Speaker 2: woken by public outrage by the growing Hesbalah elements in
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Speaker 2: the protests, they've suddenly started talking about police investigations and action.
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Speaker 6: It is utterly unacceptable. It is utterly unacceptable for anyone
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Speaker 6: to be showing support for this prescribed terrorist organization, and
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Speaker 6: particularly to be doing this at a time when we
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Speaker 6: know the communities here in Melbourne and Victoria are grieving
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Speaker 6: as a consequence of the escalating conflict in the Middle East.
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Speaker 2: Look, I believe that when we see it, because most
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Speaker 2: Australians have been horrified by this stuff for fifty one weeks.
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Speaker 2: The political leaders are at least fifty one weeks behind
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Speaker 2: what is right and what mainstream Australians instinctively understand. I'm
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Speaker 2: deeply worried because in dangerous times, we're being led by invertebrates.
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Speaker 2: For this reason alone, Australian voters must get rid of
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Speaker 2: the Albanese government next year.
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Speaker 1: To leave it in power is just too big.
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Speaker 2: A risk for this country in dangerous times, we need
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Speaker 2: governments that understand our values and the need to uphold them.
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Speaker 2: And on the Middle East strategic front, late last week
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Speaker 2: we saw the ceasefire plan put up by the US
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Speaker 2: President Joe Biden. It was backed by Australia, ten other
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Speaker 2: countries and the EU.
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Speaker 1: And I told you then immediately that it.
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Speaker 2: Made no sense any diplo madic deal that eases the
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Speaker 2: pressure on Hamas and Hezbala that leaves their terrorists and
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Speaker 2: weapons stockpiles in place.
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Speaker 1: Is not a real move towards peace.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was weak from Biden and gormless from alban
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Speaker 2: easy to support it, and former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer agreed, if.
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Speaker 7: You were the Israeli Prime minister, what would you say
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Speaker 7: to the sixty three thousand people who've had to be
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Speaker 7: evacuated from northern Israel that you weren't going to do
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Speaker 7: anything about it? You were allowing the West to play
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Speaker 7: domestic politics with their lives. No, you would go after
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Speaker 7: people who were firing missiles at you, and you wouldn't
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Speaker 7: buy the infornational community.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, just common sense.
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Speaker 2: But Biden and the willing dupes here in Australia actually
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Speaker 2: promoted this as a real plan. Twenty one day cease
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Speaker 2: fire a long really loviting borders, significant support.
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Speaker 3: From Europe as well as war.
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Speaker 6: Not white Lebanese civilians cannot be made to pay the
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Speaker 6: price of defeating Hisbella.
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Speaker 1: The global community has.
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Speaker 8: Made clear that this destructive cycle must stop.
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Speaker 9: Australia supports the call by the United States and other
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Speaker 9: like minded countries for an immediate cease fire in both
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Speaker 9: Israel to Lebanon across those borders, as well as an
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Speaker 9: immediate ceasefire in Gaza.
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Speaker 1: We want to see an end to this conflict.
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Speaker 2: Look, it's obvious that if you keep Hezbalah and Humas
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Speaker 2: in place, you'll only perpetuate war, not end it. So
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Speaker 2: it was hardly surprising to see the Israeli Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: reject this call.
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Speaker 10: We won't rest until our citizens can return safely to
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Speaker 10: their homes. We will not accept are army perts on
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Speaker 10: our northern border able to perpetrate another October seventh style massacre.
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Speaker 10: As long as Kizbala chooses the path of war, Israel
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Speaker 10: has no choice.
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Speaker 2: And as Netna who probably knew when he said that
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Speaker 2: the Israeli Defense Force was about to strike a critical blow.
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Speaker 2: It took out the Hesbala leader Hassan Nasralla and other
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Speaker 2: senior leaders. Yeah, the evil terrorist group of Hesbella effectively decapitated,
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Speaker 2: first with pager and walkie talkie attacks, then targeted bombings
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Speaker 2: of missiles and installations, and then that precision bombing of
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Speaker 2: its leadership. Suddenly, Joe Biden, who was calling for a
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Speaker 2: ceasefire on Friday was welcoming this A day later. Hassan
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Speaker 2: Nasraa was a terrorist with American blood on his hands,
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Speaker 2: said the US President. Across decades, his leadership of Hezbelad
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Speaker 2: destabilized the Middle East and led to the killing of
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Speaker 2: countless innocent people in Lebanon, Israel, Syria, and around the world.
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Speaker 1: Today, Hezbela's victims have a.
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Speaker 2: Measure of justice, yes, mister President, they do. But if
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Speaker 2: Israel had listened to you, and to Anthony Alberanizi and
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Speaker 2: Keirs Starmer and Emmanuel mccron and a host of other
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Speaker 2: so called leaders, if Israel had listened to you in
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Speaker 2: Israela would still be alive today and leading a terrorist
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Speaker 2: war against Israel. And there are reports late today that
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Speaker 2: the leader of Humas in Lebanon has been killed too
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Speaker 2: in a separate strike, another leading terrorist who would still
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Speaker 2: be fighting if last week ceasefire had been adopted. This
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Speaker 2: perfectly demonstrates the folly of the people who seek to
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Speaker 2: play some kind of spineless domestic politics with Israel's war
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Speaker 2: of survival. The road to pieces to eliminate Hesbalah and
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Speaker 2: Hamas will have them surrender, and the road to piece
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Speaker 2: is to sanction Iran and make sure Iran doesn't have
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Speaker 2: the will to use these extremist Islamist proxies for its
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Speaker 2: own evil ends. Any other plan, any other pretense a
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Speaker 2: cease fires or negotiated settlements, is fool hardly. You're not
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Speaker 2: dealing with organizations that want territory. You're not dealing with
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Speaker 2: organizations with a grievance to be resolved. You're not dealing
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Speaker 2: with organizations who want to fulfill the reasonable aspirations of
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Speaker 2: the Palestinian people or who can be negotiated with. You're
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Speaker 2: dealing with organizations that exist to destroy Israel and Jews
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Speaker 2: and anyone who supports them at Any world leader who
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Speaker 2: does not understand this central point is simply not up
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Speaker 2: to the job.
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Speaker 1: I just want to go.
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Speaker 2: Into some breaking news now. We've got a statement from
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Speaker 2: the Australian Federal Police about those protests on the weekend,
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Speaker 2: and they tell us that the AFP is expecting at
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Speaker 2: least six reports of crime from Victoria Police relating to
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Speaker 2: protests allegically involving prohibited symbols and chants that are being
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Speaker 2: invested by the AFP for potentially breaching counter terrorism legislation
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Speaker 2: measures that were enacted last year. They also say it's
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Speaker 2: important to note that the AFP does not routinely attend
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Speaker 2: protests as this is primary for state and territory agencies.
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Speaker 2: But they do have the ability, of course to use
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Speaker 2: Commonwealth laws.
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Speaker 1: So the AFP our.
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Speaker 2: Thanking Victoria Police for providing crucial information that's being investigated
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Speaker 2: by the AFP.
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Speaker 1: So there you go.
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Speaker 2: Belatedly, after all the uproar, the Victorian Police are handing
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Speaker 2: evidence and videos to the AFP, so I think perhaps
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Speaker 2: some charges. The AFP say they're also going to ask
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Speaker 2: the media for more video and the like. Let me
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Speaker 2: bring in the shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson live
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Speaker 2: from Victoria. Good to talk to you again as Senator.
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Speaker 2: This breaking news is at least heartening. I was distressing
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Speaker 2: that it takes all this pressure for it to happen,
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Speaker 2: but finally the Victoria Police and federal police are looking
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Speaker 2: at what happened in Melbourne yesterday.
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Speaker 11: It's a hell of a backflip from the AFP, who
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Speaker 11: only this morning issued a media statement saying no charges
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Speaker 11: will be placed from what happened in Melbourne because no
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Speaker 11: crimes were committed. Well, that was a premature statement. It
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Speaker 11: never should have been issued. There's no way they could
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Speaker 11: have conducted an investigation, let alone interviewed anyone. Even preliminary
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Speaker 11: inquiries would have taken longer than it took them to
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Speaker 11: put out that statement this morning. So it is very
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Speaker 11: welcome that finally they have heard the message from the
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Speaker 11: opposition and from leaders in the community that what we
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Speaker 11: have seen in Melbourne and Sydney on the weekend is
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Speaker 11: totally and utterly unacceptable. But it should not have taken,
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Speaker 11: as you pointed out in your editorial, almost twelve months
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Speaker 11: for them to get this message. It should have been
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Speaker 11: very clear from that first event on the eighth of
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Speaker 11: October that you screened earlier in Western Sydney, let alone
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Speaker 11: the Sydney Opera House, that we have a very serious
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Speaker 11: problem in this country that if we don't enforce the law,
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Speaker 11: that problem is going to only get worse because there
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Speaker 11: are extremists and they become emboldened when they think there
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Speaker 11: are no consequences for their behavior. So it's time for
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Speaker 11: the Prime Minister, the Home Affairs Minister, the Attorney General
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Speaker 11: to make very clear the community's expectations to the police,
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Speaker 11: but the law be enforced, that people be charged that
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Speaker 11: there'd be consequences for this abhorrent behavior.
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Speaker 2: Look, that's exactly the point. Now there is going to
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Speaker 2: be some action now right now. So far we've had
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Speaker 2: so many politicians from Anthony Alberaneasi down wiping their hands
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Speaker 2: saying this is leave it up to the police. But
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Speaker 2: this demonstrates that when political leaders like premiers and others
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Speaker 2: and the opposition absolutely you give you and Peter Dutton credit,
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Speaker 2: walk up strongly on these issues, point out what's going on,
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Speaker 2: then it forces the correct action from the law. Enforcement
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Speaker 2: authorities will leave it all up to the courts. Of course,
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Speaker 2: the all of law will play out, but the action
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Speaker 2: comes from political guidance and the political lead.
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Speaker 11: Exactly right, Chris. And the reverse is also true. If
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Speaker 11: the police think that they are political leaders who don't
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Speaker 11: want the law enforced, who think that enforcing the law
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Speaker 11: would be uncomfortable, then that sends a very bad message
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Speaker 11: as well. I can tell you when we're in government,
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Speaker 11: when Peter Dutton was the Minister for Home Affairs, the
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Speaker 11: Federal police were under no doubt whatsoever about his expectations
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Speaker 11: of them enforcing the law, whether it came to terrorism
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Speaker 11: or child sex offenses, and if they didn't meet his expectations,
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Speaker 11: he would also make that very clear to them until
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Speaker 11: they did, and he did that on behalf of the public.
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Speaker 11: There's no evidence that either our Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke,
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Speaker 11: nor our Attorney General Mark traces Let alone the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 11: had ever made it clear to the police what their
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Speaker 11: expectations are of them, and no one that we've seen
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Speaker 11: lawlessness on our streets every weekend, terrifying the Jewish community,
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Speaker 11: inciting fear and hatred in a way that we should
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Speaker 11: have never seen in our country.
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Speaker 1: So do we need any new laws or is it.
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Speaker 2: Simply this a matter of political leaders dictating that they
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Speaker 2: want our laws enforced and enforced strongly.
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Speaker 11: Well, we're yet to be convinced that the hate symbols
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Speaker 11: legislation is deficient because it's not been tested, and until
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Speaker 11: it's been tested, until the police actually charged someone and seek.
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Speaker 12: A conviction, we won't know.
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Speaker 11: But in relation to our incitement to violence provisions, yes,
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Speaker 11: change has been necessary for at least twelve months. That's
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Speaker 11: been evident ever since no one was able to be
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Speaker 11: charged at the federal level for a crime of incitement
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Speaker 11: at the Sydney Opera House. Then we have been calling
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Speaker 11: on the government to amend the laws to make it
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Speaker 11: easier to do so, and in the last sitting Mark
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Speaker 11: Drepus finally introduced new legislation to make it easier to
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Speaker 11: target people for incitement to violence. We have seen many
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Speaker 11: instances of incitement in this country in the last twelve
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Speaker 11: months since the seventh October. The fact that none of
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Speaker 11: it has gone punished is deeply concerning. Finally, we must
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Speaker 11: fix this law so those charges can be laid.
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Speaker 1: James, thanks so much for joining us, so I appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: Senator James Patterson there joining us from Victoria. This is
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Speaker 2: very important for everybody in this country to understand. If
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Speaker 2: people in the media, like me and others on this station,
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Speaker 2: if people in the coalition the opposition had not been
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Speaker 2: talking up what's been going on in Sydney and Melbourne
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Speaker 2: over the.
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Speaker 1: Past forty eight hours, there would have been no action.
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Speaker 2: As James Patterson said, the AFP and others dismissed it
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Speaker 2: nothing to look at.
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Speaker 1: The State Police Force has dismissed it.
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Speaker 2: Political leadership is needed otherwise this sort of extremism builds momentum.
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Speaker 2: Weakness is provocative. Let me now bring in Joel Bernie.
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Speaker 2: He's from the Australia Israel and Jewish Affairs Council. He
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Speaker 2: arrived back from Israel just last night after being there
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Speaker 2: during the missile attacks and of course the war across
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Speaker 2: the Lebanese border that is happening as we speak. Thanks
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Speaker 2: for joining us, Joel. Great to talk to you again.
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Speaker 2: Can I start off by getting your perspective from Israel.
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Speaker 1: The last week has been harrowing.
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Speaker 2: Of course Israel striking at Hezbala across the Lebanese border,
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Speaker 2: but particularly intensive missile attacks coming into Israel from both
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Speaker 2: Lebanon and Yemen.
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Speaker 13: Well, thanks for having me on, Chris, and as you know,
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Speaker 13: and as you've pointed out, Israel faces at least six
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Speaker 13: or seven fronts of attack.
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Speaker 12: And then over the past two weeks that I was
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Speaker 12: in Israel, a.
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Speaker 13: Number of times were woken up in the middle of
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Speaker 13: the night with air raids sirens going off for millions
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Speaker 13: of people in central Israel.
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Speaker 12: No city is immune from this type of action.
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Speaker 13: That's been occurring since the seventh of October, so that
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Speaker 13: includes the big population centers of Tel Aviv. There was
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Speaker 13: an air raid siren in Jerusalem yesterday, so it's all ongoing.
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Speaker 12: The tension in.
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Speaker 13: Israel is of such that whenever there is an issue
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Speaker 13: there that in any type of the night, you can
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Speaker 13: have a ballistic missile fire from Lebanon, you can have
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Speaker 13: sixty or so rockets fired in the space of a
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Speaker 13: couple of minutes from Presbola, and still at.
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Speaker 12: Times, not often anymore, but at times there are.
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Speaker 13: Still rockets coming in from Commas, from the South and
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Speaker 13: also from other areas, including from Syria and Iraq.
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Speaker 12: So it's quite tense there. But Chris, I must be honest,
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Speaker 12: I felt safe for being a.
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Speaker 13: Jew on the streets of Israel that's facing a six
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Speaker 13: to seven front war from some pretty nefarious actors, and
23:29
Speaker 13: landing in Melbourne last night and opening up my phone
23:33
Speaker 13: after a very long flight from Dubai and seeing what
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Speaker 13: was occurring in my beautiful city of Melbourne and on
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Speaker 13: the streets of downtown Melbourne and Sydney yesterday.
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Speaker 12: It's shocking.
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Speaker 13: And for somebody who were to be in a place
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Speaker 13: of war such as in Israel for the past two
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Speaker 13: weeks then to feel safer in that place than what
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Speaker 13: I do here in Australia as a Jew, is really
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Speaker 13: quite confronting.
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Speaker 2: Well, this is obviously what I've been talking about from
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Speaker 2: most of this program so far tonight.
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Speaker 1: I think it to fix all Australians. I think most
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Speaker 1: of us a completely.
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Speaker 2: Very upset by the way this tear is our country apart.
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Speaker 2: But of course for Jewish Australians it's a direct threat.
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Speaker 2: You've seen that direct threat now for fifty one week
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Speaker 2: since October the seventh last year. Yet we've only seen
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Speaker 2: this action, freshly reported action by the AFP to actually
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Speaker 2: maybe try and charge someone now and it's been so
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Speaker 2: negligent that this hasn't this should have happened in that
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Speaker 2: first week of October last year.
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Speaker 12: You're one hundred percent correct.
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Speaker 13: And it's not as though the community hasn't been screaming
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Speaker 13: out from action since the events of Sydney with the
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Speaker 13: fireworks going on on the evening of October seven, then
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Speaker 13: two days later on what we saw in the steps
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Speaker 13: of the Opera House, not even the fact that Jews
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Speaker 13: were told not to come into the city for their
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Speaker 13: own protection, but the fact that police stood by and
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Speaker 13: listening to the chance of kill the Jews and where's
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Speaker 13: the Jews whilst they were lighting an Israeli flag. Then
24:55
Speaker 13: we had the Caiba Kiber all your hood chant the
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Speaker 13: seventh century is chant against the town in Saudi Arabia
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Speaker 13: with a large Jewish population that they were conquering. And
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Speaker 13: then from the River to the Sea.
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Speaker 10: Chance.
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Speaker 12: You know, we've been we've been crying out for some
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Speaker 12: type of action for a very long time.
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Speaker 13: And look, it's there's multiple reasons for it, but the
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Speaker 13: biggest reason and the biggest issue is a complete lack
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Speaker 13: of leadership, both at the state and federal level. That
25:22
Speaker 13: our political leaders have not come out as fiercely as
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Speaker 13: they should or as they have certainly done today. So
25:27
Speaker 13: what it took was eleven and a half months of
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Speaker 13: my community, of the Jewish community being so fearful to
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Speaker 13: even venture out into downtown Sydney or Melbourne over a weekend.
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Speaker 13: But it took the fact that now you had banned
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Speaker 13: symbols of list to terror organizations on our streets.
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Speaker 12: Finally we get some tough rhetoric and hopefully the AFP
25:49
Speaker 12: will do their due.
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Speaker 13: Diligence and apprehend and arrest these people that have that
25:53
Speaker 13: have breached that Commonwealth criminal Code.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Joell, I appreciate Joe Bernie their freshback from Israel.
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Speaker 2: Point out we've still not seen tough for a trick
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Speaker 2: from the federal government. This is pressure from the media
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Speaker 2: and the opposition that's brought about some sign of action
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Speaker 2: from the AFP.
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Speaker 1: That's all.
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Speaker 2: We're still completely lacking any leadership from the federal government
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Speaker 2: on this crucial issue. We've got to get to a
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Speaker 2: break on the other side of it. Got a great
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Speaker 2: panel with Caroline Toss and Christy McSweeney.
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Speaker 1: We want to talk about Kevin Rudd, remember him.
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Speaker 2: He's chalking up the taxpayer funded miles as we speak.
26:26
Speaker 2: And also days VU all over again, as they say,
26:29
Speaker 2: with Donald Trump being slammed over his latest insult. Terrific
26:37
Speaker 2: panel in just a second, but I want to mark
26:39
Speaker 2: the passing of a very special artist tonight. He's an
26:42
Speaker 2: American entertainer who has a bit in common actually with
26:45
Speaker 2: Bob Hawk, Tony Abbott and Carlton Premiership captain Mike Fitzpatrick.
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Speaker 1: Yep, just like those three.
26:52
Speaker 2: Christofferson was a Rhodes scholar, but he went on to
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Speaker 2: make his fame in country music and in movies. And
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Speaker 2: he's died in Hawai aged eighty eight. Christofferson was a
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Speaker 2: star athlete as a young bloke in California and a
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Speaker 2: gifted writer, and went on to make a big name
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Speaker 2: for himself in country music and the movies. But while
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Speaker 2: he's a great performer, I've got to say I've always
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Speaker 2: really admired Christofferson for his sublime songwriting. Many of his
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Speaker 2: songs became much bigger hits for others, like this classic.
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Speaker 4: Freedom just.
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Speaker 14: Free feeling Wazies in Lord when Love is a good
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Speaker 14: was good for me.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a few people made that a hit, none more
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Speaker 2: so though than Janice Joplin, of course, and even a
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Speaker 2: songwriter as brilliant as Johnny Cash was in awe of
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Speaker 2: Christofferson's I was turning this one into a standard.
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Speaker 14: Lord took me back to something that I had last somehow,
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Speaker 14: Some were.
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Speaker 4: Long on the sundayside, wish last something about a Sunday.
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Speaker 1: Then mix somebody Feel.
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Speaker 2: It reminds me of a few Swan supporters I saw
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Speaker 2: on Sunday morning. Chris Christofferson's poetry is timeless and these
28:39
Speaker 2: songs are gonna last forever. And I'm also going to
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Speaker 2: mention that as a service to you, I reckon if
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Speaker 2: you haven't seen Sam Peckhampah's pat Garrett and Billy The
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Speaker 2: Kids starring Chris Christofferson with Jason Robard's readA Coolidge, Slim
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Speaker 2: Pickens and Bob Dylan with Bob Dylan playing an incredible
28:55
Speaker 2: soundtrack too. While you're missing out, I reckon it's the
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Speaker 2: only movie I've watched her more once or twice. It
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Speaker 2: is just fantastic. Chris Christofferson, a wonderful talent, died on
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Speaker 2: Saturday in Hawaii, aged eighty eight.
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Speaker 1: Let's bring in our panel now.
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Speaker 2: Sky News host Caroline also joins us from Perth, and
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Speaker 2: the Managing director of PR Council, Christy McSweeney, live from Melbourne.
29:19
Speaker 2: Great to have you both with us again, and I
29:21
Speaker 2: want to talk about an old friend of ours.
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Speaker 1: First up, Kevin Rudd. Can you believe it, Christy?
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Speaker 2: He sent to Washington as Australia's man in the US,
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Speaker 2: yet he's still flying to Singapore and to Switzerland any
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Speaker 2: junket around the country. They even sent him to Diveos
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Speaker 2: for crying out loud. One hundred and fifty thousand bucks
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Speaker 2: worth of overseas travel for the former Prime minister who's
29:43
Speaker 2: supposed to be looking after Washington.
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Speaker 1: I'm surprised it wasn't more.
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Speaker 15: The Labor Party got him out of Australia, sent him
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Speaker 15: away to Washington so he could stop causing trouble and
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Speaker 15: needling away on foreign affairs here in in foreign policy.
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Speaker 1: And he's still costing.
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Speaker 15: Them damage all the way from Washington. So look, of
30:08
Speaker 15: course his Australian ambassador does need to get around the place,
30:12
Speaker 15: but he probably doesn't need to get around to so
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Speaker 15: many places. He's not the ambassador for the international Speaking Team.
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Speaker 1: He's not, but he thinks he is. Caroline.
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Speaker 2: I think we can all see what's going on here right.
30:23
Speaker 2: No one can say no to him. They want to
30:26
Speaker 2: keep him happy. They know if they lose him, if
30:28
Speaker 2: he goes off the deep end, he'll create a lot
30:30
Speaker 2: of trouble for them. So whatever Kevin asked for, they
30:33
Speaker 2: just send the check.
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Speaker 16: Well, I've got nothing to say now, because my comment
30:38
Speaker 16: was exactly the same as Christy's.
30:39
Speaker 1: I'm surprised there's not.
30:40
Speaker 16: More than one hundred and fifty grand I was pleasantly
30:43
Speaker 16: surprised actually for keV.
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Speaker 1: But look, you're exactly right.
30:47
Speaker 16: He's one of those people that the Labor Party know
30:50
Speaker 16: they need to manage, and they just do whatever. I
30:53
Speaker 16: suppose they need to do to minimize minimize the damage
30:58
Speaker 16: he does, and some people in pol Tigson and elsewhere
31:01
Speaker 16: need to be risk managed. On your tiny little editorial
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Speaker 16: at the beginning there, Janis Joplin peerl is one of
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Speaker 16: the best albums that was ever created. My mum has
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Speaker 16: it on LP. Chris and I danced around the living
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Speaker 16: room to that song and many others as a child,
31:20
Speaker 16: probably showing my age slide, but it was wonderful to
31:24
Speaker 16: hear Christofferson sing that song. And you're right he wrote
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Speaker 16: some beautiful words for some other artists that have absolutely
31:30
Speaker 16: lived on.
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Speaker 1: Yes on, Will said Caroline.
31:32
Speaker 2: Let's get to the economy and Jim Chalmers out there today,
31:35
Speaker 2: you're claiming credit for the surplus. Now, surplus for this
31:38
Speaker 2: country is a good thing, but La Labor are sort
31:41
Speaker 2: of stretching the bounds of credulity and claiming that it's
31:44
Speaker 2: all they're doing. It's really the country bouncing back from
31:46
Speaker 2: all the pandemic and high commodity prices. But what cracks
31:51
Speaker 2: me up is that everybody's going through a cost of
31:53
Speaker 2: living crisis, so many Australias doing it real hard. But
31:56
Speaker 2: for Jim, things have never been better to have.
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Speaker 17: A listen to whib is a powerful demonstration of our
32:02
Speaker 17: responsible economic management. Responsible economic management is a defining feature
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Speaker 17: of the Albanese Labor government and it wouldn't have happened
32:12
Speaker 17: without our responsible economic management. It wouldn't have happened without
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Speaker 17: our spending restraint.
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Speaker 1: Oh, Christy, he's just so smug.
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Speaker 15: Look I think that he was very, very keen to
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Speaker 15: announce his second surplus book fifteen point eight billion off
32:30
Speaker 15: the back of last year's surplus. Of course, as you said, Chris,
32:34
Speaker 15: a lot of that is off the back of Australia's
32:36
Speaker 15: commodity prices, and the Labor Party forgets that when they
32:40
Speaker 15: talk about their economic management of delivering a surplus, being
32:43
Speaker 15: able to provide people with cheaper medicines and medicare and
32:47
Speaker 15: childcare and housing and cost of living relief. All of
32:51
Speaker 15: that money that makes that surplus is because of what
32:55
Speaker 15: we dig out of the ground in Western Australia and Queensland.
32:58
Speaker 15: That's a fact off, gotten out of fact oft recognized,
33:02
Speaker 15: particularly if you look at the current issues and the
33:06
Speaker 15: night edge that Madeline King, the Mining minister hailing from
33:10
Speaker 15: Western Australia, is on with the rest of the Albanese
33:13
Speaker 15: cabinet to say, there's a couple of seats over in
33:16
Speaker 15: Western Australia looking very shaky. Don't forget where the budget
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Speaker 15: surplus comes from.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Angus Taylor and the Opposition are pretty keen
33:23
Speaker 2: to point out some factual errors with the Treasurer's presentation.
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Speaker 18: This is the biggest spending, biggest taxing government in Australian history.
33:34
Speaker 18: Taxation since Labor came to power. For the year has
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Speaker 18: passed is up one hundred and four billion dollars. Receipts
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Speaker 18: is up one hundred and four billion dollars and the
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Speaker 18: vast majority of that they have actually spent.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a surplus, yes, but don't claim to be frugal.
33:49
Speaker 1: They can hardly claim to be frugal. That is not
33:51
Speaker 1: their shtick.
33:52
Speaker 2: Now I want to move to some of the hangover
33:54
Speaker 2: from the pandemic. Caroline and a story that the nine
33:58
Speaker 2: newspapers have been I've complimented them on this before because
34:02
Speaker 2: we haven't got a proper raw commission. So the Sydney
34:05
Speaker 2: Morning Herald as I had a look at, doing his
34:07
Speaker 2: own inquiry, talking to experts about what we got right,
34:10
Speaker 2: what we got wrong, and in this particular piece we
34:13
Speaker 2: hear from the former New South Wales Police Commissioner Mick Fuller,
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Speaker 2: who actually led the force throughout the COVID nineteen pandemic,
34:19
Speaker 2: and he said updates to the health orders which dictated
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Speaker 2: what people could and could not do as New South
34:25
Speaker 2: Wales health tried to stem the spread of the virus,
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Speaker 2: he said, they often made little sense and we're not
34:30
Speaker 2: always enforceable. Well, Caro, you don't say this was the
34:34
Speaker 2: problem right around the country. Is no proper lawmaking, just
34:38
Speaker 2: a bunch of bureaucrats whacking out these laws that police
34:41
Speaker 2: had to try and enforced.
34:42
Speaker 1: No wonder the police went nuts.
34:44
Speaker 2: But more importantly, it was such an infringement on all
34:47
Speaker 2: of our liberty.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, absolutely it was. And there was this focus on
34:53
Speaker 16: government activity rather than government outcome. It was like be
34:57
Speaker 16: seen to be doing things even if they make absolutely
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Speaker 16: no sense. And there's several examples of where courts found
35:03
Speaker 16: fines to be void that they weren't they.
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Speaker 1: Weren't properly enforceable.
35:08
Speaker 16: And I mean there was a time and Christy would
35:10
Speaker 16: know this well, having been in Melbourne where you couldn't
35:12
Speaker 16: go watch the sunset, but you could go to the
35:14
Speaker 16: knock shop like.
35:15
Speaker 1: I will never.
35:17
Speaker 16: Get over the inconsistency and the total lack of sense
35:21
Speaker 16: of so many of those rules. But because everyone was
35:26
Speaker 16: essentially shamed into this position where you weren't allowed to
35:29
Speaker 16: question anything otherwise you wanted everyone dead. This is why
35:33
Speaker 16: we ended up with this rampant government stupidity, and if
35:36
Speaker 16: for no other reason, a very good reason why we
35:38
Speaker 16: shouldn't have the sorts of misinformation laws that are being
35:42
Speaker 16: proposed by the government, because you need to have debate
35:45
Speaker 16: in relation to things like this to stop these things happening.
35:49
Speaker 16: Even if they are well intentioned, it doesn't necessarily mean
35:53
Speaker 16: that they're right.
35:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, spot on.
35:55
Speaker 2: I do remember in Queensland at one stage it was
35:57
Speaker 2: illegal to dance at a wedding, yet the brothels was
36:00
Speaker 2: still open. I just got to quickly get to Donald Trump.
36:02
Speaker 2: Here's his latest insult held at Kamala Harris.
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Speaker 19: Joe Biden became mentally impaired. Kamala was born that way
36:14
Speaker 19: she was born, and if you think about it, only
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Speaker 19: a mentally disabled person could have allowed this to happen
36:22
Speaker 19: to our country.
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Speaker 2: We're nearly at a time, Christy, but really does he
36:26
Speaker 2: need to stop dislow calling and mentally disabled.
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Speaker 15: I think he's lost a lot of credibility using that language.
36:33
Speaker 15: Pitching to his base. Absolutely, But I think every Republican strategist,
36:37
Speaker 15: even the most pro Trump Republican magis strategist in America,
36:43
Speaker 15: would have been hiding under the table when they heard
36:45
Speaker 15: that come across the airwaves.
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Speaker 20: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty tacky stuff. It's easy to make fun of
36:50
Speaker 1: her using that language. I would have thought.
36:53
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Christie and Caroline. I appreciate it greatly,
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Speaker 2: Caroline Drew and Christy McSweeney. There, we've got to get
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Speaker 2: to a break on the other side and across line
37:00
Speaker 2: to Israel.
37:01
Speaker 1: Also, we're going to talk about the.
37:02
Speaker 2: Public health system facing more strains as private health insurance
37:06
Speaker 2: is set to rise. Let's get back to the Middle
37:15
Speaker 2: East and after tacking out Hezbolla's chief in Lebanon, Israel
37:18
Speaker 2: has wiped out Huthi targets in Yemen.
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Speaker 1: Here's the latest from sky News.
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Speaker 21: UK hair strikes in Yemen against a militia linked to
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Speaker 21: Iran as fears of regional war grow. Israel said it
37:33
Speaker 21: hit a port used by Huthi militants to transport Iranian
37:37
Speaker 21: weapons after Huthi missiles were fired in its direction. This
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Speaker 21: country is fighting groups aligned with Tehran on multiple fronts. Here,
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Speaker 21: soldiers in northern Israel look poised to expand an offensive
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Speaker 21: against the region's biggest paramilitary force, Hezbollah in Lebanon. They've
37:59
Speaker 21: already killed its and devastated its ranks well, also striking
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Speaker 21: Hamas in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in Gerald Steinberg, who's professor of politics at
38:08
Speaker 2: Bailan University in Tel Aviv. Good to talk to you again, Gerald,
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Speaker 2: Just first up reports late today of another high value
38:17
Speaker 2: target if you liked by Israel in Lebanon. Obviously, after
38:21
Speaker 2: getting Hassan in israela on Saturday, reports they're getting they've
38:25
Speaker 2: killed the.
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Speaker 1: Hummas leader in Lebanon. Can you give us any more
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Speaker 1: on that.
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Speaker 20: I've seen the same reports. I don't think. In fact,
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Speaker 20: I guess the Israeli military has confirmed that report. Hamas
38:38
Speaker 20: has established connections, just as Kazbala and the Jutim in
38:42
Speaker 20: Yemen and the entire broad Iranian terror network or connected
38:46
Speaker 20: to each other. So Ramas has what they call refugee
38:49
Speaker 20: camps in Lebanon left over from nineteen forty eight. To
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Speaker 20: the part of the story they had a military or
38:54
Speaker 20: a terrorist leader, and he was taken out. The Israeli
38:58
Speaker 20: strategy is essentially called decapitation because for thirty years Hsbala
39:03
Speaker 20: has been able to develop a massive amount of rockets
39:06
Speaker 20: and missiles aimed at Israel. Estimates are one hundred and
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Speaker 20: fifty thousand rockets and missiles mainly in southern Lebanon aimed
39:14
Speaker 20: at Israeli civilians, at schools, at hospitals and everything else
39:18
Speaker 20: in Israel, as well as more strategic targets, electricity and
39:21
Speaker 20: everything else. So Israel has to have a strategy that
39:25
Speaker 20: can destroy that make it incapable for his Bala to
39:28
Speaker 20: use it and make Israel safer that way, and that's
39:31
Speaker 20: what we're seeing. The strategy is not to go head
39:34
Speaker 20: on with a large ground attack, which I think is
39:36
Speaker 20: what is Bala expected and was prepared to try to counter,
39:40
Speaker 20: but rather to decapitate, to remove all the commanders who
39:43
Speaker 20: send the orders, who can get those missiles and rockets
39:46
Speaker 20: launched at Israeli targets, and so far Israel has not
39:49
Speaker 20: suffered very much of a response.
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Speaker 2: Jared explain this to us because Israel is dealing with
39:56
Speaker 2: attacks from the hooties in Yemen, of course ongoing tacks
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Speaker 2: from Hamas and especially from Hiszbalad to the north, and
40:03
Speaker 2: it suffered a drone invasion directly from Iran earlier in
40:07
Speaker 2: the year. None of this would be possible without Iranian money,
40:12
Speaker 2: funding weapons, and know how, why isn't all the international
40:16
Speaker 2: pressure on Iran now? Instead of trying to constrain Israel's
40:21
Speaker 2: efforts to defend itself.
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Speaker 20: Iran's played The Isran leadership has played a very very
40:27
Speaker 20: clever strategic game for a good thirty forty years in
40:31
Speaker 20: the sense that they're not attacking directly. You had that
40:33
Speaker 20: one day where they said they were revenging against Israel,
40:36
Speaker 20: but it seemed to be very minimal in terms of
40:38
Speaker 20: the various kinds of attacks that took place all in
40:42
Speaker 20: one day. It was on April fourteenth, and they were
40:45
Speaker 20: all shot down, but that was more of a show.
40:48
Speaker 20: But Iran operates these proxy armies all around, and it's
40:52
Speaker 20: convenient for what they call the responsible international community, led
40:58
Speaker 20: by the United States estemsiblely, but also Europe, the entire West, Canada,
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Speaker 20: Australia and New zealand everybody else. It's very convenient to
41:05
Speaker 20: pretend that this is not an Iranian led attack not
41:09
Speaker 20: just against Israel, but against the entire West. They want
41:12
Speaker 20: to negotiate with Iran. They expect Ran to be reasonably
41:16
Speaker 20: when they are given a responsible position in the international system,
41:20
Speaker 20: a position of influence, and therefore they'll be respected.
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Speaker 12: That's all a fiction.
41:24
Speaker 20: It's a Western imagination that they're going to behave the
41:27
Speaker 20: way way the Western world would behave in a similar situation.
41:31
Speaker 20: So Iran's been able to get rid of it basically
41:34
Speaker 20: to avoid direct responsibility and confrontation, be able to continue
41:39
Speaker 20: with under sanctions, but still to sell oil. They're able
41:41
Speaker 20: to evade all that. They're able to speak in the
41:44
Speaker 20: United Nations considered to be a responsible member of the
41:47
Speaker 20: international community, but at the same time, which they are
41:51
Speaker 20: absolutely not, because they're the ones who are, as you
41:53
Speaker 20: said very clearly, they are funding, aiding, technologically sending all
41:58
Speaker 20: those missiles. Huti from Yemen have sent three or four
42:02
Speaker 20: large ballistic missiles against Israel relatively and effect that so
42:06
Speaker 20: far we've been good at shooting them down. But they
42:09
Speaker 20: do create terror. You send hundreds of thousands of people
42:12
Speaker 20: into bomb shelters because you don't know where it's going
42:15
Speaker 20: to hit. If it's going to hit. That's all the
42:17
Speaker 20: Iranian made. It has made any and essentially that they
42:20
Speaker 20: come in pain perhaps, and they've given those to these
42:23
Speaker 20: revolutionaries in Yemen who control that area, the ones that
42:27
Speaker 20: are shooting at all the ships and preventing any kind
42:29
Speaker 20: of economic passage through that very critical area of the
42:34
Speaker 20: Red Sea where a lot large part of the oil
42:36
Speaker 20: comes from another vital.
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Speaker 2: Goods, extraordinary stuff. The world's got to call it out.
42:40
Speaker 2: The West has to do more on this. I appreciate
42:42
Speaker 2: your time, Gerald, I appreciate it. Gerald Steinberg there, We
42:45
Speaker 2: need to catch up again with him soon. I just
42:48
Speaker 2: want to go to another sheet I very quickly. And
42:50
Speaker 2: we're being warned that private health insurance could jump by
42:52
Speaker 2: another one hundred dollars a year after bureaucrats are threatening
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Speaker 2: to lift stype taxes on premiums. Let me bring in
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Speaker 2: shadow health minister Federally and rust.
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Speaker 1: And live from Melbourne. Good to talk to you.
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Speaker 2: And how is this happening? We all know about the
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Speaker 2: cost of living prices. They're pressure is putting on so
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Speaker 2: many families around the country. How is that the bureaucrats
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Speaker 2: could be leading some increase in private health insurance and
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Speaker 2: so politicians and governments who've got to take control of this.
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Speaker 8: Surely, well, that's exactly right, Chris. And we've got a
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Speaker 8: situation in New South Wales where the New South Wales
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Speaker 8: government is threatening to ask patients who have got private
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Speaker 8: health insurance, who are in a hospital bed in a
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Speaker 8: private hospital in a public hospital, to pay twice as
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Speaker 8: much as what's been determined as the efficient price for
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Speaker 8: that bed. I mean, it is an extraordinary thing for
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Speaker 8: a government to be doing in the middle of a
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Speaker 8: cost of living crisis, when we obviously know all Australians
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Speaker 8: are doing it really tough, and that the New South
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Speaker 8: Wales government would seek to do a price gouge on
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Speaker 8: these people at a time when they're suffering cost of
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Speaker 8: living crisis.
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Speaker 11: It's just extraordinary.
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Speaker 2: Yes, a state government saying that they want to suck
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Speaker 2: more money out of patients and then all private health
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Speaker 2: insurers end up picking the bill.
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Speaker 1: This is typically labor seems to have.
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Speaker 2: A problem with private health insurance, whereas really all sides
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Speaker 2: of politics should embrace it. The more people can afford
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Speaker 2: to look after their own health insurance, the greater the
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Speaker 2: easier it is for the public health system. It relieves
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Speaker 2: the pressure on the public health system absolutely.
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Speaker 8: I mean, if we've got people who are in the
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Speaker 8: public system, we wouldn't. Right now, we know that we've
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Speaker 8: got a ramping crisis, we've got a primary health care crisis,
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Speaker 8: and for a government to actually do something that is
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Speaker 8: potentially going to make those crises worse, it's just absolutely ridiculous.
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Speaker 8: But I mean, I think the thing here is that
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Speaker 8: obviously the Men's government in New South Wales are not
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Speaker 8: managing their budgets in their health system, and so what
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Speaker 8: they're seeking to do is to cost shift that problem
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Speaker 8: to Australians who have taken out private health insurance. And
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Speaker 8: as you rightly point out, we want to encourage Australians
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Speaker 8: to look after themselves where they can. But in the
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Speaker 8: middle the cost of living crisis, to be seeking to
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Speaker 8: do something that potentially pushes up health premions, it's just crazy.
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Speaker 2: It's just madness. Thanks very much and I appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: Senator An rest and Russen there, who's the shadow health
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Speaker 2: minister joining us live from Melbourne. We've got to get
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Speaker 2: to a break. On the other side, I'm going to
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Speaker 2: catch up with Sophie Ellsworth the ABC.
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Speaker 1: A bit of a dodgy move.
45:16
Speaker 2: Here they got a former ABC news boss heading up
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Speaker 2: an independent review into ABC news coverage.
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Speaker 1: They go, wait, let's get to media with the Australian
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Speaker 1: Sophie Elsworth joining US Life from Melbourne. Good to talk
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Speaker 1: to you, Sophie.
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Speaker 2: Great story today about the ABC's investigation into this reporting
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Speaker 2: that we talked a lot about over the last couple
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Speaker 2: of weeks of where they tried the smear heston Russell
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Speaker 2: as a war criminal, fiddled with.
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Speaker 1: The video and the audio and the like. But that
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Speaker 1: blake they've called in as an independent.
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Speaker 2: Investigator or reviewer is Alan Sunderland, who was a very
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Speaker 2: senior editorial bloke at the ABC. And look, I know Alan,
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Speaker 2: he's a nice enough guy, very experienced, but he's cookie
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Speaker 2: cut green left ABC public broadcasting journo type, you know
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Speaker 2: that's him.
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Speaker 22: Well, he has a long history Chris at the ABC.
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Speaker 22: He's been there over two decades and he was editorial
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Speaker 22: director there.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 22: I spoke to Alan yesterday. He said, look, he wouldn't
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Speaker 22: have taken on this job had he thought that he
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Speaker 22: couldn't be impartial and independent to the ABC.
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Speaker 1: But I did speak to other.
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Speaker 22: People, including former Onwardsman, Commonwealth and New South Wales onwardsman
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Speaker 22: John McMillan, who did another review at the ABC, and
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Speaker 22: he said, look, this might not quell the controversy that
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Speaker 22: they're looking into by having someone who is XABC effectively
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Speaker 22: conducting an investigation into the ABC. So I take it
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Speaker 22: up for the Australian public, Chris to decide.
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Speaker 2: But this is even more than that though this is
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Speaker 2: a bloke who was in print only a couple of
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Speaker 2: months ago, Laura Tingle saying it's unfair to say that
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Speaker 2: she's been politically biased. I mean, so that just shows
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Speaker 2: how biased he is.
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Speaker 22: Well, he was appointed to this role, Chris by Managing
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Speaker 22: Director David Anderson. But as I say, I think it's
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Speaker 22: up to the Australian public to determine whether or not
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Speaker 22: this is a good appointment.
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Speaker 1: It is indeed, we shall see now.
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Speaker 2: Also in your reporting have talked about how Kim Williams
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Speaker 2: has keeps saying the right things as he gets out
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Speaker 2: there and gives speeches and does any of saying the
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Speaker 2: right things about the need for journalists at the ABC
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Speaker 2: to be objective. He thinks that a lot of them
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Speaker 2: have become too activists. But I don't know that he's
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Speaker 2: done anything about it yet, has he.
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Speaker 22: Well, he hasn't been in the job long, Chris. In fairness,
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Speaker 22: he's been there about six months. He has an almighty
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Speaker 22: task on his hands. I think it's a good thing
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Speaker 22: the ABC journalists are on social media and voice their
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Speaker 22: views because therefore all to see. We know that there's
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Speaker 22: biases there that they can't conte and we know there
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Speaker 22: is an activism within the ABC. But I can tell you, Chris,
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Speaker 22: there's many people telling me from within the ABC they're
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Speaker 22: very pleased to have Kim Williams there cleaning up the
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Speaker 22: issues such as this.
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Speaker 1: Good to hear now.
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Speaker 2: I was in your fair city over the weekend and
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Speaker 2: Melbourne and Grand Final weekend is superb.
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Speaker 1: It was just fancay. The day was brilliant.
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Speaker 2: I think I enjoy it more when my team's not
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Speaker 2: in the Grand Final. There's no real stress. I was
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Speaker 2: disappointed for my little fellows who were Swane's fans, but
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Speaker 2: it was a great day. The Swans didn't really turn up.
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Speaker 2: Brisbane were magnificent, but of course with the two Northern
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Speaker 2: states in the game, there were high expectations for television
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Speaker 2: ratings and the AFL wasn't let down.
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Speaker 22: That's right, Chris. I was lucky enough to be there too,
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Speaker 22: and it was a great afternoon. They got over four
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Speaker 22: million viewers. It's one of the highest viewing audiences in
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Speaker 22: the last decade.
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Speaker 1: We haven't had an.
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Speaker 22: Audience over four million since twenty six so Channel seven,
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Speaker 22: the main broadcast, will be pretty happy with this. But
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Speaker 22: it obviously wasn't the game they wanted for the AFL
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Speaker 22: with a sixty points smashing of the of the line
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Speaker 22: smashed the Swans by Chris. It was a bit of
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Speaker 22: a disappointment in the end.
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Speaker 1: It was a bit of a disappointment.
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Speaker 2: And Robbo from AFL three sixty, one of my favorite
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Speaker 2: shows on Fox tell his last show tonight.
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Speaker 1: Apparently he's been great. What a ripping show it is.
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Speaker 22: It certainly is and fourteen years he's been leading that
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Speaker 22: show since the beginning of the show, and tonight it's
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Speaker 22: expected it is his final show hosting.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to put in my application because the
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Speaker 2: bits job going in television.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, SOFIA, I appreciate it.
49:43
Speaker 2: Sophie Els with there you can read all this stuff
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Speaker 2: in the Australian on the media and other bits and pieces.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me. Be going to be back in
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Speaker 1: the chair. I'll be back tomorrow night. Here's Peter Quedlin.