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Billionaire perv Jeffrey Epstein's lady-pimp Ghislaine Maxwell in hiding · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: The name Jeffrey Epstein will forever live in infamy, the
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Speaker 1: alleged billionaire ordering up young girls for sex like their
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Speaker 1: Domino's pizza. But it went beyond that. It went to
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Speaker 1: potential involvement with the Florida police who allowed him to
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Speaker 1: walk out of the jailhouse every day after a cheap
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Speaker 1: police sex related and go to his office and stay
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Speaker 1: behind closed doors all day long by limo, whether it
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Speaker 1: be a parade of young girls in and out of
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Speaker 1: the office, day in, day out, and nobody did anything.
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Speaker 1: That was his punishment. From there, we find out he's
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Speaker 1: connected to powerful politicians including President, millionaires, even Prince Andrew,
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Speaker 1: and women that actually pimped for him, according to his victims,
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Speaker 1: reeling in young girls for him to molest. What's happening
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Speaker 1: with them? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, women reeling in
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Speaker 1: young girls to rape, yet to molest. What's happening with them?
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Speaker 1: Why is nobody hunting them down and seeking justice? I mean,
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Speaker 1: I see Grace. This is crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation in Sirius XM
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Speaker 1: one eleven the Triumph Channel. Take a listen now to
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Speaker 1: Filthy Rich. There's something happening here. That was bigger than
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Speaker 1: just Jeffrey Epstein. He was known as this Gatsby like
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Speaker 1: figure of mystery. It was stunningly rich. He had a
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Speaker 1: twenty million dollar house, his own private island in the Caribbean.
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Speaker 1: How's a nickname, the Pedophile Island. In two thousand and five,
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Speaker 1: the Pole Beach Police Department received reports of young women
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Speaker 1: going to and from his residence. There was some ever
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Speaker 1: revolving door of girls. Welsh was under age. Those girls
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Speaker 1: brought other girls too. It's a trade and it goes
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Speaker 1: on and on and on. This case who put him
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Speaker 1: in prison the rest of his life? Have you ever
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Speaker 1: solicited to the minor for prostitution? I'm going to involve
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Speaker 1: my fifth moment right Netflix is filthy rich joining me
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Speaker 1: an all star panel to break it down and put
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Speaker 1: it back together again. As Wilcott judge and trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: Court TV anchor at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: psychoanalyst joining us out of Beverly Hills. You can find
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Speaker 1: you at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Cloyd Steiger thirty
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Speaker 1: six years Seattle PD twenty two of that homicide and
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Speaker 1: author a Seattle's Forgotten serial killer, Gary Jane Grant. He's
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Speaker 1: at Cloyd Steiger dot com, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University
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Speaker 1: and author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan death investigator. But now to crime online dot
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Speaker 1: Com Levi Page, Levi, we know what Epstein did about
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Speaker 1: much of the molestation of young girls. He committed and
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Speaker 1: got away with it because he was rich. But what
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Speaker 1: about the women who enabled him? Who is guillen Maxwell?
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Speaker 1: Join Maxwell? Nancy is a woman who is from the UK.
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Speaker 1: For father is very rich and powerful from there. She
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Speaker 1: inherited a lot of money after his death. She came
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Speaker 1: to the United States, New York City, and she was
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Speaker 1: a socialite. She hung out with Ivanka Trump. She met
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein would hang around with him, and it is
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Speaker 1: alleged that she would find underage girls under eighteen tell
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Speaker 1: them that hey, I have a friend. His name is
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. He needs a MASSUS will pay you to
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Speaker 1: come give him a massage. It wasn't a massage. They
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Speaker 1: were raped. And she is the woman that allegedly entrapped
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Speaker 1: these young women in his evil plot to take a
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Speaker 1: listen now to Netflix Geilty Rich. The very first victim
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Speaker 1: was about fourteen years old. At that time. We were
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Speaker 1: able from the interview to figure out exactly where the
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Speaker 1: house was. From the description the victim provided, it was
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Speaker 1: clear that it was mister Epstein. The case was assigned
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Speaker 1: to our special investigations in it partly because of the
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Speaker 1: nature of the crime and partly because mister Epstein was
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Speaker 1: a powerful influential person. Joe riccarry was the lead investigator
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Speaker 1: of the case. Unfortunately, Joe Riccarrey passed away a few
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Speaker 1: years ago, but at the time he believed there were
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Speaker 1: other victims, so he began contacting them and listening to
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Speaker 1: their stories. I appreciate you coming down talk to me.
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Speaker 1: You're not in any trouble whatsoever. Okay, I just want
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Speaker 1: to put that out there right now. How did you
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Speaker 1: meet miss repste like two years ago or some years ago? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: when you first met him, Yeah, you was seventeen. Then
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Speaker 1: what is it that you were told you would have
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Speaker 1: to do give him a massage? Yeah? Well that's some
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Speaker 1: massage that ended up in molesting young girls to actually
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Speaker 1: Wilcot judge and trial. While your court TV anchor, you're
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Speaker 1: hearing one have seen victims speaking to law enforcement. But
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Speaker 1: there were multiple young girls that have the same story.
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Speaker 1: I mean, how likely is it that multiple young girls
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Speaker 1: have the same story, girls that are separated in time
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Speaker 1: and space and don't know each other. Yeah, it's not
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Speaker 1: at all likely. There's so many different pieces aspects of
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Speaker 1: this that really are bothersome to me, and I don't
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Speaker 1: understand all of these girls do have the same story.
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Speaker 1: If you have an adult that's assisting, that's getting, that's soliciting,
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Speaker 1: that adults should have been charged with child endangerment, accessories, soliciting,
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Speaker 1: any of those things. The other thing, though, is he
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Speaker 1: was smart in a criminal, disgusting way that he would
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Speaker 1: use miners to try to get other girls. Well, apparently,
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Speaker 1: according to reports, he didn't just use miners to recruit
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Speaker 1: their friends for underage sex. He used a and accomplished
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Speaker 1: educated woman, Gillan Maxwell, who and now apparently is not
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Speaker 1: facing any charges herself. Take a listen to this. In
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Speaker 1: two thousand and five, the parents of a young girl
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Speaker 1: called the police sotion, well, hi, how are you. I'm good.
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Speaker 1: I'm returning your call. I I apologize, I don't know
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Speaker 1: exactly what four It's okay, Um, it was an incident
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Speaker 1: that occurred maybe like three three and a half weeks
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Speaker 1: ago with one of my step daughters one day at
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Speaker 1: school who guts would fight and she got over three
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Speaker 1: hundred dollars on her. So after asking her and asking
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Speaker 1: on and asking her out what was going on? Found
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Speaker 1: out that ended up being that they went upon me
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Speaker 1: to the gentleman's house and they start off by giving
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Speaker 1: this gentleman on the five and he pays them if
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Speaker 1: he likes them, and he thinks that they're pretty enough
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Speaker 1: to keeps them ayms to do other things. Okay, So
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Speaker 1: I was I was just like, if there was an
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Speaker 1: investigation or if you guys had any world I think
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Speaker 1: we're well, this is the first I'm hearing of it. Okay,
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Speaker 1: what I will need is some more information. Would your
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Speaker 1: stepdaught to be willing to come in to provide me
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Speaker 1: with the statement? One a juvenile reports that they have
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Speaker 1: been a victim of a sex crime to the police department.
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Speaker 1: We immediately take that very serious. Parent was asked to
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Speaker 1: bring the victim into the police station. A detective conducted
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Speaker 1: an interview immediately upon bad victim's report to us, which
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Speaker 1: we found very credible. We launched an investigation. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: what happened to that? This is a two thousand and
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Speaker 1: five recorded conversation with a police officer where Officer Pagan
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Speaker 1: returns a call to a grown woman making a complaint
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Speaker 1: two thousand and five about billionaire Jeffrey Epstein recruiting young
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Speaker 1: girls from school. From school, she says her stepdaughter has
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Speaker 1: this huge wad of money, and that the stepdaughter finally
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Speaker 1: admits to her she went to this rich guy's house,
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Speaker 1: Epstein gave him a massage and then it escalated to
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Speaker 1: other things, in other words, under age sex. So what
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Speaker 1: happened to that? Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Guys, we
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Speaker 1: are talking about not just Jeffrey Epstein, but the woman
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Speaker 1: who allegedly made his underage sex that's called statutory rape possible.
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Speaker 1: A jet setter, millionaire in her own right, Gillan Maxwell,
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Speaker 1: who apparently in the Last Days brags, comes out, quote,
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Speaker 1: look for Jeffreys type and I bring him home. This
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Speaker 1: is according to Prince Andrew of Britain's cousin tells how
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Speaker 1: Gillan Maxwell Brax that she recruited young underage girls for
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Speaker 1: Epstein from trailer parks and she Gillan Maxwell was intent
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Speaker 1: unmarrying Jeffrey Epstein. What's happened to her case? She would
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Speaker 1: go out and recruit young girls to be statutory raped
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Speaker 1: by a billionaire. She's not behind bars. Help me out
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Speaker 1: with that, Levi page. What's happening with the investigation into
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Speaker 1: Guillan Maxwell. She is being investigated, Nancy, but the problem
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Speaker 1: is that she is unable to be located because an
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Speaker 1: additional too being investigated for aiding and abetting him in
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Speaker 1: his quot to traffic underage girls. A lot of these
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Speaker 1: women have filed civil lawsuits against her, and her attorneys
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Speaker 1: that are representing her can't even find her. She sold
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Speaker 1: her properties in London and New York and people don't
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Speaker 1: even know where she is really. You know what I
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Speaker 1: said to that, follow the money Cloyd Steiger thirty six
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Speaker 1: years Seattle, PD, twenty two without on homicide and author
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Speaker 1: You know how rich people are. They cannot live without
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Speaker 1: their money and their personal shoppers and their cooks and
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Speaker 1: their chauffeurs and blah blah blah. Floyd. If she sold
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Speaker 1: her homes in New York and London, I think it's
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Speaker 1: what Levi I just said, that money went somewhere, and
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Speaker 1: that money is being used to fund her lifestyle. That's
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Speaker 1: how you find her. Probably the Switzerland. Yeah, probably the Switzerland,
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Speaker 1: I would think. But yeah, and she is. You're right,
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Speaker 1: they cannot She can't go being be a suburban woman
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Speaker 1: living in a two thousand square foot house because her
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Speaker 1: lifestyle depends on it, and she has to do this
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Speaker 1: and eventually you'll find her. They'll find her because of
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Speaker 1: the money, but they're not even really looking for her
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Speaker 1: other to the civil case. That's the trag. She was
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Speaker 1: last spotted that we know of, and this past August
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen at an inn and out burger in la
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Speaker 1: Unless that picture had been staged, jos got Morgan. You
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Speaker 1: certainly know your way around the courtroom and investigation. You're
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Speaker 1: a forensics investigator and death investigator. So how do we
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Speaker 1: find Gillen Maxwell? And what do you make of that
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Speaker 1: photo taken of her last August? I saw that when
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Speaker 1: it dropped Nancy at the inn and out Burger. I
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Speaker 1: swear that's that's got to be the one right by Lax.
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Speaker 1: It looked like it to me. I've been there a
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Speaker 1: number of times when I flown into La If it
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Speaker 1: was something some people have actually proposed the idea that
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Speaker 1: the photo had been taken some time in the distant
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Speaker 1: past and then it was released to give an indication
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Speaker 1: that she was there when she was actually somewhere else.
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Speaker 1: I find that kind of interesting because what that tells
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Speaker 1: me is that not only was she acquisitioning these young
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Speaker 1: girls for Epstein, She's got people working on her behalf
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Speaker 1: as well. And I think that a lot of this
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Speaker 1: goes toward her attorneys. You're gonna tell me that those
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Speaker 1: attorneys don't know where she is. Of course they know
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Speaker 1: where she is. They're protecting her, and she needs to
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Speaker 1: be protected because, look, she's guilt's she is essentially implicated
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Speaker 1: in very very serious crimes, not the least of which
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Speaker 1: is I think human trafficking. Because I got to tell you, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: all these girls that are out there, and we're not
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Speaker 1: just talking about the ones in West Palm Beach, I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about the girls from Eastern Europe that were allegedly
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Speaker 1: on the island that Epstein, Orgie Island. I want to
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Speaker 1: know what became of those girls. Are you telling me
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Speaker 1: that you flew them all back to Eastern Europe or
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Speaker 1: did you just cut them loose in the United States
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Speaker 1: or is it something more sinister. He's still got, you know,
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Speaker 1: this ranch out in New Mexico. I wonder if all
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Speaker 1: of those thousands and thousands of acres have been thoroughly searched.
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Speaker 1: You know. Look, I'm a cynic, I'm a medical legal
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Speaker 1: death investigator by trade. I assume the worst in most
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Speaker 1: of these cases. I want to know where these kids are.
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Speaker 1: And she is the key, the lynchpin to this whole thing.
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Speaker 1: In the past days, another alleged victim of Jeffrey Epstein,
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Speaker 1: the billionaire child rapist, cannot find his pimp, Gillan Maxwell,
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Speaker 1: to serve a complaint on her. That's a civil case
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Speaker 1: for money. But what about the crimes. Why are we
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Speaker 1: hearing nothing about crimes being charged against Gillen Maxwell? And
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Speaker 1: why in the world would she want to marry Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Jeffrey Epstein himself on Netflix. Have
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Speaker 1: you ever been convicted of a crime? Yes, what was
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Speaker 1: the crime of which you were convicted? Two counts, one
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Speaker 1: soliciting prostitution and procuring a minor for prostitution? Do you
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Speaker 1: in fact commit those acts? I'm going to invoke my
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Speaker 1: fifth Amendment? Right, how many times have you solicited a
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Speaker 1: minor for prostitution? Same answer? How many times have you
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Speaker 1: solicited a minor for prostitution in the state of Florida?
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Speaker 1: The same answer. Have you ever solicited a minor for
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Speaker 1: prostitution in the Virgin Islands? Same answer, that is, you
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Speaker 1: are invoking your fifth Amendment? Yes, right, yes, missus. Have
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Speaker 1: you ever solicited for prostitution in New York? Same answer?
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Speaker 1: Have you ever solicited for prostitution in New Mexico? Same answer?
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Speaker 1: Have you ever solicited for prostitution in Paris? Same answer?
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Speaker 1: Have you ever solicited a minor for prostitution anywhere? At
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Speaker 1: any time? I'm a gaining them an a certain way, Right,
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Speaker 1: We're going to go out for reco So you are
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Speaker 1: terminating the deposition at this time for your recess and definition.
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Speaker 1: If he had not solicited prostitution with a minor a
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Speaker 1: child in all of those places in New York, Paris, London,
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Speaker 1: the Island, and the Caribbean, he would have said, no,
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Speaker 1: I haven't. If someone came up and said, hey, are
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Speaker 1: you guilty of soliciting prostitution with a minor, and I'm like,
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Speaker 1: let's say no, absolutely not instead, he invoked his right
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Speaker 1: to the Fifth Amendment, your right to remain silent. This
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Speaker 1: is after already pleading guilty to prostitution with a miner
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Speaker 1: in Florida, where he got a slap on the wrist.
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Speaker 1: But the billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein is one issue. Another
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Speaker 1: can of worms is the socialite millionaire in her own right,
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Speaker 1: Guiland Maxwell, who got the girls for him to Bethany Marshall.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear where a cousin of Prince Andrew We
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Speaker 1: know it now to be? Christina Oxenburg talked about how
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Speaker 1: Gillan Maxwell bragged that she would procure, as she said,
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Speaker 1: procure underage girls for Epstein and very often would focus
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Speaker 1: on trailer parks to find his victims. Did you hear that?
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Speaker 1: It makes me so mad? I want to chew a
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Speaker 1: nail in half? Okay, Nancy. I thought about the pattern
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Speaker 1: of child sex crimes and how they're similar, whether it's
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Speaker 1: Michael Jackson or we have Harvey Weinstein, or we have
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. So Gillan Maxwell found women who were financially vulnerable.
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Speaker 1: Michael Jackson found children from poor families. Harvey Weinstein found
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Speaker 1: women who were wanting a role in a movie script.
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Speaker 1: They all entice them and offer something big, like four
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Speaker 1: of thirteen or fourteen year old two or three hundred
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Speaker 1: dollars for a massage. I mean that's everything. You could
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Speaker 1: go buy a purse, you could go buy a pair
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Speaker 1: of shoes. Michael Jackson built like a whole scene park
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Speaker 1: to lord children. Weinstein offered them these huge movie roles.
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Speaker 1: You can see the pattern is the same from perpetrator
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Speaker 1: to perpetrator. They always find victims that are at the
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Speaker 1: fringe of society and they think won't tell on them. Now,
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Speaker 1: everybody's surprised that a woman like Gylan Maxwell would procure
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Speaker 1: these girls and then want to marry Jeffrey Epstein. But
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Speaker 1: it is not uncommon for women to to make crimes
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Speaker 1: against children in concert with the man they love. Look
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Speaker 1: at children who are molested by stepfathers and the mothers
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Speaker 1: stand by and do nothing, or they go and they
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Speaker 1: find rape victims for their husbands or their partners. Women
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Speaker 1: do act in concert with men all the time. In
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Speaker 1: this case, it's just more romatic because there is so
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Speaker 1: much money. I've never been at a dev scene like
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Speaker 1: Cloyd Steiger Joe Scott Morgan, but I do practice in
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Speaker 1: Beverly Hills where there's a lot of money, and where
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of money, there's a lot of cover ups.
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Speaker 1: There are a lot of people who will collude with you,
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Speaker 1: act in concert with you, look the other way, and
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Speaker 1: act like nothing bad is happening. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about not only a billionaire child pedophile,
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, but the woman who made it possible for
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Speaker 1: him to locate and recruit little girls to rape and
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Speaker 1: molest and pay off and keep silent. Her name is
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Speaker 1: Gillan Maxwell. What I'm asking to the fans today is
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Speaker 1: why haven't you arrested her and brought her to justice? Why?
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Speaker 1: Why is gill and Maxwell running free because she's rich,
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Speaker 1: because she's cultured, educated? Why why? Or is there some
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Speaker 1: other reason you don't want her found? Take a listen
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Speaker 1: now to Jeffrey Epstein speaking on the Netflix special Filthy
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Speaker 1: Rich emphasis on Filthy, Let's talk about Jenda one hundred
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Speaker 1: and two. Virginia Roberts. Do you know Virginia Roberts, So
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Speaker 1: she's again who Virginia Roberts? Can you spell it common
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Speaker 1: spelling Virginia like the States can you spell it? Will me? Please? Roberts?
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Speaker 1: How's it? What's the last name? How's it spelling? O?
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Speaker 1: B R T S. I believe isn't it true that
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Speaker 1: you and Glenn Maxwell celebrated her sixteenth birthday with her
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Speaker 1: and had sex with her on that day? Farm compound
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Speaker 1: confusing an argument in the harassing I'd like to answer
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Speaker 1: that question, but today I wouldn't have to assert my
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Speaker 1: sixth Amendment rights, my fifth mimmiar rights. Is it true
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Speaker 1: that's you forced Virginia Roberts to have sex for numerous
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Speaker 1: friends of yours? What are you kidding? An a whole?
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Speaker 1: Can you spell Virginia? No? Spell it? No? Spell it,
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Speaker 1: he says to opposing counsel. And the last name Roberts.
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Speaker 1: Spell it? What a jackass? And now we learn through
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Speaker 1: a very reliable source, this is Prince Andrew's cousin. Her
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Speaker 1: name is Christina Oxenberg. That Gill and Maxwell bragged that
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Speaker 1: she procured underaged girls for Jeffrey Epstein to rate. Yet
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Speaker 1: she and other people that facilitated this over the series
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Speaker 1: of period of years has not been brought to justice.
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Speaker 1: Why to Chloyd Steiger thirty six years Seattle, PD, why
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Speaker 1: do you believe the fans aren't tracking down gill and Maxwell.
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Speaker 1: You know, I have no idea because this is like
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Speaker 1: the Flamdunk case. It's all lined up, and you know,
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Speaker 1: just the arrogance of Epstein an interview. You know, he's
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Speaker 1: a control freak. He has to be in control. That's
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Speaker 1: why he's making him spell a common name. Yeah, well
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Speaker 1: that's the understatement of the year. Now he says that, well,
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Speaker 1: he invoked the wrong amendment. He's six, but he meant fifth.
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Speaker 1: He corrected himself. But he's making co counsel opposing counsel
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Speaker 1: spell the name of one of his alleged victims. Want
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Speaker 1: you to listen to what this girl, Virginia Roberts Jeffrey says. Listen.
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Speaker 1: I first met Prince Andrew March tenth, two thousand and
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Speaker 1: one in London at Gillen's townhouse. He knocked on the door.
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Speaker 1: He came inside Gillen's townhouse and we're sitting there having tea.
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Speaker 1: Ellen has his favorite guessing game that she does. She
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Speaker 1: goes to Prince Andrew, how old do you think Virginia is?
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Speaker 1: And he said seventeen And she's like, oh, you're right.
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Speaker 1: And you know they've made a little joke about it.
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Speaker 1: He's like, Oh, my daughters aren't far from your age.
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Speaker 1: You know. My daughter's a little bit younger than you.
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Speaker 1: We went out for the night club Tramp in London
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Speaker 1: and he dances and he's profusely sweating over me and
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Speaker 1: it was disgusting. She's talking about Prince Andrew hooked up
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Speaker 1: with Prince Andrew, who she says had sex with her
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Speaker 1: here she is a minor. Andrew denies it sweats Buckets
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Speaker 1: on TV, but then says she had to be lying
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Speaker 1: about their encounter. I call it child rape because at
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Speaker 1: that time he had an ailment where he couldn't sweat.
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Speaker 1: That was actually his defense. I want to go to
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Speaker 1: you to Ashley Wilcote, judge and trial lawyer, court TV
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Speaker 1: anchor Ashley, when you hear a statement that is so
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Speaker 1: rich in detail, it gives credence to it. And the
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Speaker 1: fact that she says Gillen Maxwell introduces her to Prince
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Speaker 1: Andrew at this location. Then they go to club Tramp
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Speaker 1: where he came on to her. Andrew sweated profusely and
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Speaker 1: there turns up to be Although Andrew denies knowing her.
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Speaker 1: A picture of her with Andrew with his arm around
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Speaker 1: her after Andrew says I've never met her. The details
24:58
Speaker 1: that she described Ashley, that Prince Andrew said, hey, you're
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Speaker 1: about the age of my two daughters, that detail to
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Speaker 1: me has the ring of truth. Absolutely. So, first of all,
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Speaker 1: I always believe a juvenile a child. This is a child,
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Speaker 1: absolutely Stuckut of all, you're right, all of those specific details.
25:19
Speaker 1: When people lie, they don't make up all of those
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Speaker 1: little specific details. How are they going to come up
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Speaker 1: with something to say, Oh, he is sweating profusely And
25:29
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. There is no reason I would question
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Speaker 1: the veracity of what she is saying, meaning this other
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Speaker 1: adult should have been charged by now should be jail
25:41
Speaker 1: in jail along with Jeffrey. Long story short. According to
25:45
Speaker 1: the source Oxenburg, gill And Maxwell brags to Prince Andrew's
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Speaker 1: cousin she recruited girls from trailer parks in Palm Beach
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Speaker 1: to bring them to Jeffrey Epstein. Oxenburg says Maxwell told her,
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Speaker 1: I look for what I know is Epstein's type, and
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Speaker 1: I bring them home that she Gillan Maxwell was quote
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Speaker 1: proud to be a recruiter for the pedophile During a
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Speaker 1: meeting with Oxenburg, who was an author and a socialite
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Speaker 1: who was brought in I guess to write Gillen Maxwell's memoir.
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Speaker 1: Oxenburg claims that Maxwell was not dating Epstein, although she
26:33
Speaker 1: wanted to marry Epstein. Okay, I'm trying to make sense
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Speaker 1: of it all, but i want you to hear our
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Speaker 1: friend at Inside Edition, Stephen Fabian. Where is Jeffrey Epstein's
26:45
Speaker 1: former girlfriend? She's vanished following allegations that she recruited underage
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Speaker 1: girls for Epstein's sex trafficking network. Going Maxwell, who has
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Speaker 1: denied any wrongdoing, lived in this five story townhouse on
26:59
Speaker 1: Manhattan's Tone East Side. It's less than a ten minute
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Speaker 1: walk from Epstein's palatial mansion. But she sold the home
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Speaker 1: for fifteen million dollars after she got caught up in
27:09
Speaker 1: the Epstein case and moved to London. So where is
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Speaker 1: she now? Nobody knows, but she's believed to be somewhere
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Speaker 1: in Europe. Maxwell was once at the pinnacle of the
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Speaker 1: social scene in New York City. She was with Epstein,
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, and Milania at this party at Marlago in
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Speaker 1: two thousand. That's her hovering in the background in this
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Speaker 1: notorious video as Trump and Epstein crack each other up.
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Speaker 1: At another Marlago bash. In twenty fourteen, she was spotted
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Speaker 1: with entrepreneur Elon Musk at the Vanity Fair Oscar party.
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Speaker 1: She's certainly get surround and in the last weeks at
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Speaker 1: emergess that she allegedly had an affair with none other
27:47
Speaker 1: than Bill Clinton. Crime stories with Nancy Grace from Trump
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Speaker 1: to Clinton to Musk. This woman has money, power, privilege
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Speaker 1: and connections. She's reportedly somewhere in Europe. Well, that certainly
28:22
Speaker 1: does not narrow it down. We are talking about the
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Speaker 1: high priced pimp for pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, who up until
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Speaker 1: this moment, has not been charged or arrested for procuring
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Speaker 1: underage girls for Epstein to rape. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: CBS News correspondent Holly Williams. Gillaine Maxwell grew up the
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Speaker 1: daughter of a wealthy British media tycoon and studied at
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Speaker 1: prestigious Oxford University before becoming a close associate of Jeffrey Epstein.
28:52
Speaker 1: Her current whereabouts are unknown. Documents unsealed on Friday contain
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Speaker 1: allegations that Gilleen Maxwell played a quote important role in
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's sexual abuse ring, directing an underage girl to
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Speaker 1: have sex with Epstein and others. Maxwell strenuously denies those allegations.
29:13
Speaker 1: Jack Scarola is an attorney who's represented several alleged victims
29:17
Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Epstein. There are multiple victims who claim that
29:24
Speaker 1: Jessane Maxwell was a personal participant in recruiting them for
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, and there are allegations that miss Maxwell was
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Speaker 1: an active participant in the sexual abuse too. Josca Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Professor forensics, you teach forensics. How can we prove that
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Speaker 1: gill and Maxwell was his pimp? Well, you know, just
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Speaker 1: through the procurement process. If there is an electronic trail,
29:56
Speaker 1: perhaps a money trail that leads from her to these victims,
30:02
Speaker 1: that's going to be a key here. I think one
30:06
Speaker 1: of the big problems is, and I've kind of witnessed
30:09
Speaker 1: this along following this, it seems as though that they
30:13
Speaker 1: did most of these transactions financial transactions in cash, okay,
30:18
Speaker 1: So that's going to be much more difficult to track, say,
30:21
Speaker 1: for instance, if there was an electronic wire transfer or
30:24
Speaker 1: something like this. So the fact that they were giving
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Speaker 1: these young girls cash, you know, he would leave cash behind.
30:29
Speaker 1: They were luring them in but then we have videography,
30:33
Speaker 1: people being videotaped. You talked about that in just a
30:35
Speaker 1: second ago, just alluding to the party that was going on.
30:39
Speaker 1: But you also have this photographic evidence. Think about that
30:42
Speaker 1: photo with Virginia Roberts and Prince Andrew that kind of
30:47
Speaker 1: came to light. That's photographic imagery that's going on. And
30:51
Speaker 1: it has also been alleged Nancy, that there is perhaps
30:55
Speaker 1: perhaps videography evidence that was contained within his mansion in Manhattan.
31:03
Speaker 1: And this is a source of great mystery here. People
31:06
Speaker 1: say that maybe the police have this documentation, maybe perhaps
31:13
Speaker 1: the Feds have it, or maybe it's still in the
31:16
Speaker 1: possession of Epstein's estate. But all of these could be
31:20
Speaker 1: tiebacks to Max Nancy. If I can make a comment
31:23
Speaker 1: about that, Jean, just to piggyback on what Joe Scott
31:26
Speaker 1: Morgan is saying, he's talking about the photographic evidence, and
31:29
Speaker 1: from a mental health perspective, people who have perversions, in
31:33
Speaker 1: particular pedophilia, they organize their whole life around the perversion.
31:39
Speaker 1: That's their whole reason for living. So they cannot help
31:43
Speaker 1: but think about it, talk about it, obsess about it,
31:47
Speaker 1: pass pictures around. I bet Glene Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein
31:52
Speaker 1: every time they were at a party. I bet all
31:54
Speaker 1: they were doing was talking about sex. Asking the fellow
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Speaker 1: partygoer if they had young men or women in their life,
32:03
Speaker 1: talking about underage girls they cannot. The confession will have
32:08
Speaker 1: come out of every pore of their body, because that's
32:12
Speaker 1: all they ever had to think about. So I would think,
32:15
Speaker 1: just interview anybody who was around them, and you're going
32:19
Speaker 1: to have all kinds of stories about their perverse sexual
32:24
Speaker 1: exploits and Nancy. You know, right before Epstein was arrested
32:29
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, when they went to his Upper East
32:32
Speaker 1: Side apartment, there were compact discs that were locked in
32:35
Speaker 1: a safe, and there were photographs of law enforcement pulling
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Speaker 1: them out, and on the disc it would contain the
32:42
Speaker 1: name of a young girl in the name of someone else.
32:45
Speaker 1: A lot of people have speculated that the names were
32:48
Speaker 1: powerful people in New York society, that he was actually
32:52
Speaker 1: using these tapes to blackmail then, and that that's how
32:55
Speaker 1: he made a lot of his fortune as well. Speaking
32:58
Speaker 1: of how Yale and Max, so it can be tracked down,
33:01
Speaker 1: I say, through the money, where is she? Where's the
33:04
Speaker 1: money going? There's got to be financial transactions, if it's
33:08
Speaker 1: not a credit card, cast transfers a way that she
33:12
Speaker 1: is getting money to live. I find it very difficult
33:17
Speaker 1: to believe somebody that lives her lifestyle can't be found.
33:21
Speaker 1: But as far as proving the previous recruiting of these
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Speaker 1: young girls, I think that it would be very simple
33:31
Speaker 1: actually for a forensic accountant to go back in time
33:36
Speaker 1: and find out where was gill and Maxwell on any
33:39
Speaker 1: given date? Was she based on her financial transactions in
33:44
Speaker 1: New York where a young girl says, she got me
33:48
Speaker 1: out of the school playground, out of Central Park and
33:52
Speaker 1: took me to meet Epstein? Was she in New York?
33:55
Speaker 1: What do airplane records? What do records at her home?
33:59
Speaker 1: Her telephone records, her email show was she there? Where
34:03
Speaker 1: was she even that night? Can't she be placed at
34:07
Speaker 1: parties where these young girls were with Epstein when they
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Speaker 1: were molested. It's not that hard. It just takes time
34:16
Speaker 1: and energy and a forensic investigation. And that's just what
34:21
Speaker 1: many of the victims are living through right now as
34:23
Speaker 1: they try to track Gillan Maxwell down to serve her
34:27
Speaker 1: with a lawsuit. Take a listen to CBS News correspondent
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Speaker 1: Mola Lenji On Wednesday, Epstein accuser Jennifer Arose filed a
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Speaker 1: civil suit against Epstein's estate and his purported ex girlfriend,
34:39
Speaker 1: Gallaine Maxwell. Arose is also suing an alleged recruiter, a
34:43
Speaker 1: secretary and maid on Epstein's staff. Kimberly Larner is one
34:47
Speaker 1: of a Rose's attorneys. Was there anyone else who should
34:51
Speaker 1: be held accountable? There were various secretaries, there were housekeepers,
34:55
Speaker 1: and there was the recruiter. We haven't been able to
34:58
Speaker 1: identify any of those people by name as of yet.
35:01
Speaker 1: The lawsuit claims Arose was recruited when she was fourteen.
35:05
Speaker 1: She alleges the abuse began about a month after meeting Epstein,
35:08
Speaker 1: when he showed her the massage room in his palatial
35:11
Speaker 1: New York City townhouse and told her it's my favorite room.
35:14
Speaker 1: According to the suit, their visits eventually became routine. A
35:17
Speaker 1: maid would put towels and lotions out, tell Arose to
35:20
Speaker 1: get changed in the bathroom, and leave her three hundred
35:23
Speaker 1: dollars in cash for each visit. About a year after
35:26
Speaker 1: the alleged abuse started, Arose claims Epstein forcibly raped her
35:30
Speaker 1: and she never returned. How much are you seeking from
35:34
Speaker 1: Epstein's estate. I don't even know what his entire estate
35:37
Speaker 1: is worth, but we're seeking significant damages. Did you just
35:41
Speaker 1: hear Dodgor Bethany Marshall that a maid would set out
35:46
Speaker 1: towels and lotions for the sex assaults to occur on
35:50
Speaker 1: the young girls. You want to tell me that the
35:52
Speaker 1: people that worked in Epstein's home can't identify Gill and
35:57
Speaker 1: Maxwell in the home. At the same time, the young
36:00
Speaker 1: girls say that they were right. Absolutely they can, Nancy,
36:03
Speaker 1: there are so many eyewitnesses. I keep thinking of Michael
36:06
Speaker 1: Jackson because there was a housekeeper there too. She didn't
36:10
Speaker 1: necessarily procure children, but she saw everything and she did nothing.
36:15
Speaker 1: And we saw that with Harvey Weinstein. I know I've
36:18
Speaker 1: seen a little preoccupied with these other stories, but the
36:21
Speaker 1: patterns are so similar. There are always eyewitnesses, There are
36:25
Speaker 1: always people who have similar corruption of conscience, and they
36:29
Speaker 1: all banned together. Nancy, I don't know. This seems similar
36:33
Speaker 1: to just groups of pedophiles who congregate together online and
36:38
Speaker 1: they pass pictures along and they egg each other on,
36:42
Speaker 1: and they present victims and they give clues as to
36:46
Speaker 1: where to find victims, and it becomes the same social
36:50
Speaker 1: psychology as what we had in the Epstein household. So
36:54
Speaker 1: of course this maid knows something. But think about all
36:57
Speaker 1: the other people in that household. There are painters, there
37:02
Speaker 1: are art procurers, there are people who manicure the lawns.
37:06
Speaker 1: There are a cook's houseboys, butlers. There are so many
37:12
Speaker 1: people coming in and out of that household to support
37:15
Speaker 1: this huge estate that there have to be dozens of
37:19
Speaker 1: people who knew what was going on. I want you
37:22
Speaker 1: to take a listen to CBS's correspondent Mola Lenji. But
37:26
Speaker 1: Lacada says going through the courts won't make up for
37:29
Speaker 1: the abuse she suffered. A civil lawsuit then would not
37:33
Speaker 1: give me back what I lost. Lycata tells us, at
37:36
Speaker 1: least for her, there is no way to get peace
37:39
Speaker 1: now that Epstein is dead. And we should note that
37:42
Speaker 1: both Lecata and a Rose say they never actually met
37:44
Speaker 1: Galaine Maxwell, and the three women are listed as Jane
37:48
Speaker 1: Doe's in the lawsuit because their identities are not yet known.
37:51
Speaker 1: That's something attorneys say they hope to learn through the
37:53
Speaker 1: discovery phase of the civil case. And we should also
37:57
Speaker 1: note that Galaine Maxwell has never been charged with a
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Speaker 1: and has denied any wrongdoing in the past, that's right.
38:04
Speaker 1: Let me be clear, Gillen Maxwell has not been charged
38:08
Speaker 1: with a crime. My question is why Nancy Gray's crime
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Speaker 1: story signing off goodbye friend,