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Help Us Bring Missing Children Home! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace for so many of us.
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Speaker 1: We have our families that are so extremely blessed. But
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Speaker 1: the reality is is that the search goes on for
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Speaker 1: missing children. Let's take a look at just three of
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Speaker 1: those many, many missing children in the hopes that this
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Speaker 1: year is the year they will be brought home. Starting
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Speaker 1: with a beautiful little girl named Serenity Listen.
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Speaker 2: Authorities in Rockerville began a search for a nine year
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Speaker 2: old girl. Serenity Dinard, was last spotted leaving the Children's
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Speaker 2: Home Society around eleven twenty in the morning. The little
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Speaker 2: girl has blue eyes and shoulder length, dirty blonde hair.
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Speaker 2: She was last seen wearing a long sleeve gray shirt
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Speaker 2: with furs and blue jens. Temperatures the night Serenity went
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Speaker 2: missing we're expected to drop below zero.
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Speaker 1: What happened to Serenity? This beautiful nine year old little
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Speaker 1: girl in South Dakota runs away in freezing tempts without
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Speaker 1: a coat. First of all, why did anyone go after her?
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Speaker 1: What are the facts surrounding her disappearance? Who is she
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Speaker 1: with now? What has become of Serenity? Joining me an
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Speaker 1: all star panel to break it down and put it
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Speaker 1: back together again? First, of All. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: author of Red Flags and host of Today with Doctor
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Speaker 1: Wendy on Casey BQ. You can find her at Wendypatrick
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Speaker 1: PhD dot com. Doctor Angela Arnold, renownedd psychiatrist, joining us
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Speaker 1: out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. You can find her at
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold MD dot com. Former police chief John's creed
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Speaker 1: twenty five years on the Forest now PI Daphne Young
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Speaker 1: is joining us today, VP of Communications and Prevention Education
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Speaker 1: at child Help dot Org. Very dear to my Heart.
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My
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Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon, Joseph Scott morgun But first to Ray Capudo. Ray,
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Speaker 1: let's start with you. How does this little girl just
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Speaker 1: wander off and nobody figures it out until it's too late?
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Speaker 3: Nancy. She was at the Black Hills Children Home in
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Speaker 3: South Lakoba. That's close to a little town called Rockerville.
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Speaker 3: And you know Mount Rushmore is in the area, rapid
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Speaker 3: cities in the area, and there's a really remote.
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Speaker 1: Area, very familiar, Ray. It's beautiful country. Remember I took
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Speaker 1: the twins on an RV trip. We camped all around
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Speaker 1: that area. Beautiful but deadly.
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Speaker 3: Go ahead, Absolutely, the terrain there is rough, but the
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Speaker 3: weather there this time of year, well, the time of
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Speaker 3: year it happened was Super Bowl Sunday, February second, so
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Speaker 3: the weather was about thirty six degrees outside. But the
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Speaker 3: little girl just opened up a gymnasium.
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Speaker 4: Door and walked out.
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Speaker 3: You know, there was a little bit of a distraction,
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Speaker 3: but heard another child had distracted one of the caretakers
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Speaker 3: in the gym, and then she made her get away.
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Speaker 1: You know, I want to examine what Ray Copudo has
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Speaker 1: just told us, and I want to go to a
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Speaker 1: very special guest from childhelp dot Org who has child
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Speaker 1: help has been our partner for so many years since
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Speaker 1: we first launched crime Stories and crime online dot com.
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Speaker 1: Childhelp dot Org was there in the thick of it
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Speaker 1: is joining me, daphnely Young from childhelp dot Org. Not
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Speaker 1: that he's wrong, he's always right with its facts everything
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Speaker 1: Ray Computo said, but it was also all wrong in
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Speaker 1: a larger since. So a little girl aged nine has
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Speaker 1: run away before, and what do they do? Stick her
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Speaker 1: in a home for children where she runs away and
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Speaker 1: they don't have a protocol for this. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 1: I always say, when you don't know a horse, look
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Speaker 1: at his shrack record. If this child has run away
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Speaker 1: from home before, and I'm curious why I threatened to
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Speaker 1: run away from home but never did. Of course I
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Speaker 1: changed my mind when it got to be supper time.
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Speaker 1: Why did this little girl run from her home? Would
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Speaker 1: be my first question? And why is the answer to
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Speaker 1: that to stick her in a children's home where she
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Speaker 1: then predictably runs away. She's only nine years old. I
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Speaker 1: don't know what she's running from, but I do know
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Speaker 1: that there should be protocols in place to keep a
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Speaker 1: child from running out the door on Super Bowl Sunday
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Speaker 1: of all time.
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Speaker 5: Well, Nancy, Serenity, first of all, is a really tough
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Speaker 5: name to deal with, right because that name means calm
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Speaker 5: and peaceful and unt troubled. And that's the antithesis a
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Speaker 5: missing child, the opposite feeling of caretakers who can't sleep
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Speaker 5: because they don't know where she is. And it's the
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Speaker 5: opposite feeling of a little girl that's running, running for
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Speaker 5: her life. And it hits us so hard at Child
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Speaker 5: Help because we have residential treatment facilities. You know about them, Nancy,
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Speaker 5: the child help villages. They're isolated their natural environments, they
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Speaker 5: receive equin therapy, they hike, a ride, bikes, fish. These
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Speaker 5: are such safe places to heal that they're remote. And
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Speaker 5: in our work, a little girl like that's called a
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Speaker 5: runner and she's just a little hurting heart who's acting out.
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Speaker 5: She's in crisis. We know that that child was prone
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Speaker 5: to self harm. And we see children like serenity all
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Speaker 5: the time and something happens to them that makes them
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Speaker 5: run from their pain. And what breaks my heart is
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Speaker 5: there's a protocol that you have to have in place
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Speaker 5: to prepare for runners. So when we have a child
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Speaker 5: that's identified as a potential runaway, we set a whole
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Speaker 5: procedure ahead of time. We determine it on the age size,
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Speaker 5: behavioral developmental lot of old child. We consider it a
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Speaker 5: runaway plan, and if that child runs, our senior staff
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Speaker 5: and duty officer are immediately notified. If the child is
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Speaker 5: in sight, we follow it close distance, but do not
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Speaker 5: intervene physically. We don't lock the child away, but we
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Speaker 5: do intervene in case of danger, if she's coming to
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Speaker 5: a precipice or a cliff. But what we do is
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Speaker 5: in thirty minutes, that child has not been found and
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Speaker 5: we are not following the child. And a child has
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Speaker 5: gone missing on a property, the sheriff is notified and
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Speaker 5: we take care of all the paperwork afterwards. Right in
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Speaker 5: that moment, it's fined the child.
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Speaker 1: You know what, Daphne Young joining me from child help
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Speaker 1: dot Org. Why why, why couldn't you be everywhere it want?
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Speaker 1: Why couldn't you be there the day this little girl
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Speaker 1: runs away? There's so much wrong with this scenario. Listen.
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Speaker 2: ATVs and commands and radios were used during the search
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Speaker 2: for nine year old Serenity di Nard. Over eighty searchers
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Speaker 2: from local fire and law enforcement departments headed out looking
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Speaker 2: for the girl. Nice weather made it possible for searchers
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Speaker 2: to get days ahead of a planned weekend search. Officials
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Speaker 2: had been watching the weather and the snow melt to
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Speaker 2: determine when searchers would get back into the woods again.
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Speaker 2: Snowy conditions covered possible clues and made it difficult for
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Speaker 2: searchers to get around. In addition to searching on foot,
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Speaker 2: a helicopter and two canine units were deployed in the effort.
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Speaker 2: Each individual stocked with bags of food and water to
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Speaker 2: lessen the downtime to make the best of the improved weather.
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Speaker 2: At the time, police believed the girl was most likely
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Speaker 2: still in the area, but they didn't rule out the
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Speaker 2: possibility of Serenity being picked up. Investigators continued a parallel
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Speaker 2: investigation while the ground search continued.
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Speaker 1: We are talking about a beautiful little girl named Serenity.
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Speaker 1: Why does she run? I don't know. I'd like to know.
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Speaker 1: But what I want to know more than that is
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Speaker 1: where is she now? And why she wasn't followed immediately.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about Serenity Dinar, just nine years old, missing
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Speaker 1: in South Dakota. Listen to more.
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Speaker 2: It was ten forty five am on a Sunday morning.
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Speaker 2: Serenity is in the gym at the Black Hills Children's
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Speaker 2: Home with two staffers and three other kids. One child
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Speaker 2: causes the disturbance and a staffer attends to that child.
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Speaker 2: Serenity then ran out of the building. When she did,
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Speaker 2: the other staffer stayed with the other two children. At
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Speaker 2: eleven am. Serenity is last seen walking near the home.
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Speaker 2: At twelve twenty six pm, A nine to one one
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Speaker 2: call goes out to the Pennington County Sheriff's Department. A
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Speaker 2: deputy arrives at twelve forty By one sixteen, several deputies
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Speaker 2: are on the scene and the decision is made to
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Speaker 2: bring in search and rescue.
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Speaker 1: Joining me, Ray compute, Ray, did you hear that timeline?
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Speaker 1: Ten forty five? Little Serenity was in the gym with
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Speaker 1: two adult staffers. One other child did something called some disturbance,
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Speaker 1: and Serenity ran out of the building. Why why did
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Speaker 1: you run out of the building? But the two staffers
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Speaker 1: didn't follow?
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Speaker 3: Well what neither one one of the staffers was chasing
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Speaker 3: one of the kids who caused the distraction. The other
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Speaker 3: one has had looked and saw her running away. But
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Speaker 3: you're writing is they didn't chase her. It seems like
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Speaker 3: they weren't ready for this. Now, the weather outside was
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Speaker 3: about thirty six degrees, you know it was a.
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Speaker 6: Little bit d on.
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Speaker 1: Can I just right, Can I just get you to
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Speaker 1: look at the timeline with me? That was at ten
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Speaker 1: forty five. Then she's seen outside at eleven am walking
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Speaker 1: near the home. That's fifteen minutes later she spotted, but
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Speaker 1: they do nothing. Finally, an hour and a half later
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Speaker 1: they call nine one one. Do I understand the timeline correctly? Ray? Computed.
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Speaker 3: Now you do, Nancy, eighty minutes went by from the
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Speaker 3: time that she left the time that the staff called
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Speaker 3: nine one one out. They weren't looking for but they
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Speaker 3: had issues with their walkie talkies and proper communication. It
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Speaker 3: wasn't really a thorough search, and because of that, the
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Speaker 3: little girl got away.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace. She Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: author of Red Flags and the host of Today But
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Speaker 1: Dr Wendy on Casey BQ. You can find her at
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Speaker 1: WENDYPATRICKPHD dot com. Wendy, there's so much wrong with what's
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Speaker 1: happening here at this children's home.
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Speaker 7: That's absolutely right, Nancy. I mean, as soon as the
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Speaker 7: child runs, the search and rescue should be on because
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Speaker 7: every precious second count We know that, Nancy, because all
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Speaker 7: the cases you cover where this type of thing unfortunately happens,
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Speaker 7: Every minute is precious, just as young Serenity's life is precious.
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Speaker 7: We want to believe she's still alive, and that's one
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Speaker 7: of the reasons why she should have been followed immediately.
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Speaker 7: She didn't walk away, she ran, and that is one
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Speaker 7: of the facts in this timeline, Nancy, that is so
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Speaker 7: important the timeline that Rikapule just gave us means that
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Speaker 7: they did know what time she looks, and that now
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Speaker 7: one want to be called so far afterwards.
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Speaker 1: You know, doctor Angiet or Angela Arnold, renownced psychiatrist joining
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Speaker 1: us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction Angelo Arnold, MD dot com.
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Speaker 1: I know that I'm overprotective. I understand that I'm that
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Speaker 1: way for a reason. I'm a crime victim. I finally
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Speaker 1: have children late in life, and I will be d
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Speaker 1: A M N D if I let anything happen to them. Okay,
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Speaker 1: that's just not on my watch. Now, I started really
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Speaker 1: hard to believe that this child in my world is
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Speaker 1: out of their vision, out of their knowledge of where
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Speaker 1: she is for an hour and a half, and they're
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Speaker 1: not worried. Just here ray computer to say how cold
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Speaker 1: it is outside? Aren't they worried?
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Speaker 7: I can't understand how they couldn't be worried. I mean,
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Speaker 7: I hate to say this, but it sounds like, you know,
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Speaker 7: it sounds like I don't even care. That's what it
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Speaker 7: sounds like to anybody outside, and that they've been entrusted.
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Speaker 1: In her care.
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Speaker 7: I'm sure the parents are paying an awful lot of
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Speaker 7: money for her to be there. There's always that how
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Speaker 7: could they not be concerned, even from a legal standpoint,
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Speaker 7: that they've lost this little girl.
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Speaker 1: You know what, you're so right, You're so right about that.
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Speaker 1: So many things to take into account, and to Chief
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Speaker 1: Chris Byer's former police chief John's Creek, we know that
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Speaker 1: with every minute a child is missing, it hurts the investigation.
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Speaker 1: Just say she's in a car, that somebody saw her
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Speaker 1: on the side of the street and grabbed her, which
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Speaker 1: is I think a very distinct possibility in this case.
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Speaker 1: Every minute you've got is another mile if you go
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Speaker 1: sixty miles an hour, And in those first three hours,
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Speaker 1: they're critical, Chief Buyers.
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Speaker 8: Why oh, they're so critical because, I mean, those are
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Speaker 8: the moments that you've got, like you know, you're talking
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Speaker 8: an hour and a half here before law enforcement arrives.
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Speaker 8: So the first thing they're having to do is figure
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Speaker 8: out how far could she have gotten because they're wanting
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Speaker 8: to put the perimeter there and make it the proper size.
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Speaker 8: Those moments are critical because you're looking for I mean,
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Speaker 8: you hear heard earlier in this say that they had
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Speaker 8: two investigations going. They had the search investigation going, but
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Speaker 8: they also had a criminal investigation going where at that point,
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Speaker 8: you're looking for you know, sexual predators in the area.
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Speaker 8: You're getting to their houses, you're going house to house searching,
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Speaker 8: You're checking you know, traffic cameras to see any of
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Speaker 8: the vehicles that were in the area, any tag readers,
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Speaker 8: doing interviews quickly, because you've got a very small time
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Speaker 8: frame before harm can come to this child and you
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Speaker 8: need to get the resources in the right place quickly.
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Speaker 8: And waiting an hour and a have to call now
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Speaker 8: A one is just absolutely absurd.
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Speaker 7: In this case, I.
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Speaker 1: Just think about this child potentially aligne in someone's home.
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Speaker 1: What is happening to the child? Is she dead or alive?
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Speaker 1: If she's alive, who has her? Listen to more.
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Speaker 2: Serenity Dinard ran away in the middle of winter without
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Speaker 2: a coat. More than eighty minutes passed before nine one
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Speaker 2: one was called. The last person to see Serenity was
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Speaker 2: a woman dropping off a relative at the children's home.
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Speaker 2: The physical search for the nine year old included more
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Speaker 2: than fifteen hundred personnel from sixty six agencies. More than
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Speaker 2: six thousand miles of terrain were covered during two hundred
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Speaker 2: and twenty search attempts by people on foot, air searches,
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Speaker 2: and the use of cadaver dogs. The first days of
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Speaker 2: the search were hampered by rain that turned to snow,
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Speaker 2: and the temperatures were below freezing. As the ground search continued,
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Speaker 2: a simultaneous criminal investigation was launched to rule out foul play.
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Speaker 2: Some five hundred and thirty eight people were interviewed or
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Speaker 2: contacted by a thirties The children's home, nearby residences and
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Speaker 2: outbuildings were searched repeatedly. Six search warrants were executed. The
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Speaker 2: search for Serenity Dinard was formerly suspended in January of
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, nearly two years after she disappeared. What
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Speaker 2: puzzles the searchers and investigators is that no evidence of
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Speaker 2: Serenity has ever been found. Serenity Denard would be fifteen
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Speaker 2: this year. The National Center for Missing and Exploded Children
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Speaker 2: and the Pennington County Sheriff's Office have released new age
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Speaker 2: progressed images of Serenity in hopes that it will generate
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Speaker 2: new leads.
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Speaker 1: The CHIP line regarding Serenity Denard zero five three ninety
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Speaker 1: four six one one five repeat DICTO five three ninety
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Speaker 1: four one one five. Let's turn our attention to another
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Speaker 1: missing child and the hope that this will be year
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Speaker 1: she's brought home alive. Take a listen.
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Speaker 9: My name is Melissa Gousse. If you're gonna watch the video,
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Speaker 9: please do not have the kids around. Carl Laine Gousse
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Speaker 9: is missing still. She's been missing since.
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Speaker 10: Breathe. She's been missing since six thirty AM. The last
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Speaker 10: time that I spoke to her was five thirty.
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Speaker 1: The heartbreak and it's the mother's voice is raw and
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Speaker 1: right at the surface of every word she says. Melissa
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Speaker 1: co say. This is Carly's stepmother taking to the airwaves
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Speaker 1: to beg for help finding her daughter. Straight out to
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Speaker 1: Ray Computo, Ray, what happened?
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Speaker 3: Well, this young girl, she was she's living in California,
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Speaker 3: and she had done what a lot of kids do.
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Speaker 3: She was going to go out to a football game,
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Speaker 3: or so her parents thought, and she ended up going
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Speaker 3: to a party. Carly was off that night. According to
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Speaker 3: her boyfriend Donald, she had started to experience like delusional
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Speaker 3: type of behavior since she was afraid of the music,
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Speaker 3: and started to direct some of that paranoida towards him.
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Speaker 3: So being alarmed, you know, he's kind of keeping a
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Speaker 3: close eye on her, and she basically says, out of nowhere,
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Speaker 3: she wants to leave. And it's very erratic behavior that night, Nancy.
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Speaker 3: So I'm completely out of the ordinary.
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Speaker 1: So let me understand. It's rich computero. She starts at
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Speaker 1: what she gets to this after the game party, she
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Speaker 1: starts acting oddly, as you said, paranoid to j Just
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics. Sound to me like something flipped,
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Speaker 1: Someone flipped her something in her durn.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that that is certainly a possibility you would need
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Speaker 4: to entertain if you're an investigator when you're trying to determine.
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Speaker 4: So what do we need to do first? Well, everybody
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Speaker 4: that was in her proximity at this party, they need
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Speaker 4: to be locked down, Nancy. Statements need to be taken
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Speaker 4: from these are any kind of bad actors in this environment.
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Speaker 4: Everybody's got a history of doing things like this, you know,
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Speaker 4: trying to slip something into somebody's strength, you know, where
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Speaker 4: they're trying to take advantage of someone, particularly a young
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Speaker 4: girl like this. So if you suddenly, let's just say
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Speaker 4: that suddenly, you know, she suddenly acts out in this
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Speaker 4: you know, as he described in a paranoid way, whereas
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Speaker 4: you have no history of this kind of behavior. Now
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Speaker 4: this is something that been ongoing and developing for a
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Speaker 4: protracted period of time. I'd say, yeah, maybe it's some
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Speaker 4: kind of mental problem, but just suddenly to start like
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Speaker 4: this as kind of an odd odd odd benchmark.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to more of Melita Gita.
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Speaker 9: It's going on ten hours that she's the missing.
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Speaker 10: And I want to put this on blast because I
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Speaker 10: don't think she's out in the desert. I think that
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Speaker 10: she could have been abducted or taken because we do
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Speaker 10: live by a highway and it happens, and I'm being
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Speaker 10: real and I just want to let everybody know, Alicia,
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Speaker 10: you're calling me, Are you watching the video?
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Speaker 9: She's not watching the video. That's okay.
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Speaker 10: I want to put this on black because I don't
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Speaker 10: know what to do to consider her a missing person.
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Speaker 10: You can't do an amburner because she didn't leave in
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Speaker 10: a car and I don't have a physical description of
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Speaker 10: a vehicle.
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Speaker 1: Now Here comes a very significant inconsistency. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to Melissa Goosey seven.
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Speaker 9: About one hundred and fifteen pounds. She has blue eyes
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Speaker 9: and the cutest little.
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Speaker 10: Nose and a great smile, and her hair goes all
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Speaker 10: the way down past her like to her belly, let's say, midwaist.
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Speaker 9: And she left in her jeans and a T shirt.
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Speaker 10: So I'm putting out there and just.
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Speaker 5: Go for it.
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Speaker 9: Everybody help me out here.
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Speaker 1: I love you all. Everybody please watch share.
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Speaker 9: Your friends, share, my friends share. Everybody's just share the
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Speaker 9: out of it. All right, thank you.
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Speaker 1: Now we're hearing the last known clothing and a physical description.
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Speaker 1: But then listen to what Melissa you say tails now
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Speaker 1: meet your Facebook live. You said that she was wearing jeans.
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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I only said that because she always
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Speaker 1: wears her skinny jeans, so I just assumed that she
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Speaker 1: had her skinny jeans on. Would she have worn blue
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Speaker 1: jeans to bed?
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Speaker 3: I have?
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Speaker 5: I had picture up and she had her skinny genes on.
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Speaker 5: I know.
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Speaker 1: But I mean when you were in bed with her
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Speaker 1: at five point forty five am, did she still have
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Speaker 1: on her jeans?
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Speaker 7: No?
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Speaker 1: Okay?
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Speaker 9: So yeah, a T shirt and just your underwear.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand because in the Facebook live, I'm
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Speaker 1: trying to get the description of what she had on
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Speaker 1: the last time you saw her out there. So in
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Speaker 1: the Facebook last time I saw her in our home.
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Speaker 7: She only had a T shirt and her undergarment.
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Speaker 1: Okay, then that Facebook live that she blasted out saying,
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Speaker 1: look for her in the skinny jeans? What what are
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Speaker 1: we supposed to do with that?
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Speaker 5: That?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not right.
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Speaker 9: Well, yeah, it was in a panic.
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Speaker 1: Now before we give nefarious intentions on the stepmother, if
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Speaker 1: the now I understand, and Raycapudo, the daughter wasn't last
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Speaker 1: thing running down the street with a boyfriend. She had
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Speaker 1: been picked up by her stepmother and brought back home,
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Speaker 1: and the stepmom had gotten in bed with her. Was
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Speaker 1: around five am in the morning. But then she goes missing,
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Speaker 1: so the stepmom probably assumed she had put on her
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Speaker 1: skinny jeans and went missing. It's a lot different from
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Speaker 1: being paranoid at a party. This young girl goes missing
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Speaker 1: from her own home. Am I correct, Ray Coopudo, Yes, you.
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Speaker 5: Are, Nancy.
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Speaker 6: That's exactly what happened.
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Speaker 3: She was missing from She was missing right out of
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Speaker 3: her own bed, you know, and you figure that everything
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Speaker 3: that had happened that night, you know, there's so much
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Speaker 3: could have went wrong, But this young girl found herself
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Speaker 3: safely back at home.
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Speaker 6: And that's really where a lot of this tragedy started
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Speaker 6: straight to Daphne Young, VP of Communications and Prevention Education
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Speaker 6: and one of our longtime partners Child Help Die or Daphanie,
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Speaker 6: what do you make of it?
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Speaker 5: This is a complex case because you have this young
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Speaker 5: woman who comes home and I believe there's a little
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Speaker 5: piece of the story where her mother films her, stepmother
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Speaker 5: films her or records her in some way I guess
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Speaker 5: in a parental sense, wanting to play that back to her. Right, Listen,
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Speaker 5: how you sounded? Did you take drugs? You know, a
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Speaker 5: parent might do that to try to teach a lesson.
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Speaker 5: But one of the things that we do at Child
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Speaker 5: Health is we do forensic interviews and when we're dealing
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Speaker 5: with families and crisis at one of our advocacy centers,
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Speaker 5: one of the things we look for is inconsistencies and stories.
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Speaker 5: We have a big social media presence here and it
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Speaker 5: can be a great tool to help spread the words,
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Speaker 5: but it can also spread disinformation. It can be used
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Speaker 5: as a tool to try to perhaps plead or make
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Speaker 5: your case, and sometimes can even hamper law enforcement efforts.
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Speaker 5: So there's a lot going on here above and beyond
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Speaker 5: what happened at that party and my concern is what
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Speaker 5: happened at that house that night.
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Speaker 1: Now, there were reports that Carl Gez was recognized at
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Speaker 1: White Mountain Estate Road Route thick and Mono County, California.
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear this.
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Speaker 2: FBI investigators say Carl Grouse left home in the early
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Speaker 2: hours of the morning. She left her things behind, including
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Speaker 2: her cell phone. It was found on the kitchen counter
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Speaker 2: That afternoon. The Mono County Sheriff's Office began search operations
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Speaker 2: during the days have followed. Multiple agencies and hundreds of
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Speaker 2: volunteers searched for Carlyly using helicopters, search dogs, search and
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Speaker 2: rescue teams, and off road vehicles. At least three eyewitnesses
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Speaker 2: reported seeing someone fitting Carly's description that morning. One was
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Speaker 2: a nearby neighbor at Richard Eddie. He told The Review
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Speaker 2: Journal that around daybreak he noticed a tall, slender woman
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Speaker 2: with long hair walking with something in her hand. He
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Speaker 2: says she was looking up at the sky. Another neighbor
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Speaker 2: said he thought it was strange to see anyone walking
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Speaker 2: so early in the morning wearing only a T shirt
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Speaker 2: and sweatpants. The temperatures the night before had only been
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Speaker 2: in the forties. An unidentified witness that he spotted a
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Speaker 2: girl fitting Carly's description standing in the sagebrush near Highway six.
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Speaker 2: This is the same area where tracking dogs lost carly scent.
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Speaker 2: Police searched the goose home and completed a forensic examination
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Speaker 2: of Carly's phone and computer. There was no incriminating evidence.
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Speaker 2: The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children has issued
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Speaker 2: an age progression photo of what Carly could look like today,
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Speaker 2: five years after she disappeared.
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Speaker 1: The tip line in the search for Carly You say
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Speaker 1: is nine one six seven four six seven thousand Repeat
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Speaker 1: nine six seven four six seven thousand. Time Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Will this be the year that another little
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Speaker 1: girl finds her way home? Little two year old Mara
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Speaker 1: Lewis listen.
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Speaker 2: Family members say they think someone kidnapped the baby. The
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Speaker 2: toddler disappeared in the morning. Her mother says she left
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Speaker 2: Myra with her older sisters, but when she returned, the
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Speaker 2: two year old was gone. The parents begged for whoever
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Speaker 2: took the little girl to release her, to take her
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Speaker 2: to a police department or anywhere that could get her home.
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Speaker 2: Father Gregory Lewis, said he noticed Myra missing around noon.
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Speaker 2: He says his other children told him Myra was with
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Speaker 2: their mother. They only realized Myra was missing when his
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Speaker 2: wife came home around three pm. The family members then
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Speaker 2: began a frantic search around the house. At four pm,
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Speaker 2: they dialed nine to one one.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Rakiputa. What happened?
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Speaker 3: Well, little Myra, she's two years old. She's playing on
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Speaker 3: in front of her house like a lot of kids do.
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Speaker 3: And it seems like there was this communication between the parents. Nancy.
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Speaker 3: We hear about this when we hear these tragic hot
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Speaker 3: card dusts where parents to space. But it seemed like
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Speaker 3: in this case, maybe it was a little less irresponsible.
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Speaker 3: Mom thought that the little girl was with dad in
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Speaker 3: the house. Dad thought that the little girl was with mom,
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Speaker 3: and before they know what, hours has passed and this
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Speaker 3: precious little two year old girl is missing.
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Speaker 1: I don't quite understand the confusion about what happened. The
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Speaker 1: FBI offering a twenty thousand dollars reward in the search
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Speaker 1: for a two year old girl who seemingly vanishes into
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Speaker 1: thin air. She goes missing near the family Mississippi home.
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Speaker 1: Joining me and all our panel to break it down
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Speaker 1: and put it back together again. First of all, to you,
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Speaker 1: definitely young VP communications Prevention Education at Childhelp dot Org.
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Speaker 5: Way In, Well, this is a tough one because we
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Speaker 5: have a family struggling. We know some of the details
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Speaker 5: of the case condemned housing, and so when I hear
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Speaker 5: about a family like this that's teetering on the edge
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Speaker 5: and it definitely has some economic issues and concern, I'm
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Speaker 5: so worried about the judgment that goes out to parents
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Speaker 5: like this who are just struggling to make it happen.
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Speaker 5: And when you're under undue stress, these little mistakes can happen. Right,
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Speaker 5: I think you're with mom. No, I thought you were
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Speaker 5: in the house with dad. And then those moments in between,
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Speaker 5: when you're being judged, when you're being questioned, are so difficult,
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Speaker 5: And it breaks my heart to think that this could
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Speaker 5: have been a tragic accident that spanned hours, and what
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Speaker 5: happened during those hours? Where was there a predator? A
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Speaker 5: vulnerable family is often in a vulnerable community, and where
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Speaker 5: do predators go looking for prey in desperate situations?
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Speaker 1: And I'm trying to analyze what we know about this
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Speaker 1: little girl. Mara Leo is just two years old and disappearance.
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Speaker 1: I know that she goes according to reports, missing from
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Speaker 1: outside the family home there in Camden, where she was
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Speaker 1: sitting outside playing with her sister outdoors. How many times
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Speaker 1: have children gone missing from outside? I'll never forget the
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Speaker 1: case of Samantha Runyon and became friends of sorts with
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Speaker 1: her mother, Aaron, who went on to be a victim's
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Speaker 1: right advocate for children. Samantha was playing outside in the
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Speaker 1: front yard of her grandmother's home with other children. The
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Speaker 1: grandmother had eyes on Samantha. A car pulls up, a
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Speaker 1: guy gets Samantha and takes off as grandma runs outdoors.
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Speaker 1: It was too light. The man that was killed within
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Speaker 1: a couple of hours. And isn't it true to Windy Patrick,
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Speaker 1: California prosecutor that in the first three hours it is
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Speaker 1: when we often discover a child has been killed.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely, you know. That's why every second counts. It's that
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Speaker 7: window of opportunity that everybody has to lead into search
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Speaker 7: and rescue mode. It is unusual to vanish without a trace.
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Speaker 7: People don't disappear into us in air, and a child
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Speaker 7: as young as two years old, that job doesn't strategize
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Speaker 7: the runaway. Do they wander off? It's usually more likely
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Speaker 7: an adult comes in and facilitates whatever it is that happened,
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Speaker 7: it's it's a kidnapping, it's an objection, it's something that
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Speaker 7: somebody usually sees a part of. So that's what makes
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Speaker 7: this instance so unusual.
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Speaker 1: Nancy, guys, take a list.
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Speaker 2: At nearly a dozen members of the MHP Special Ops
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Speaker 2: Team fanned out across the woods in North Madison County.
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Speaker 2: They specialize in search and rescue and tracking. The tracking
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Speaker 2: experts circled around two year old Myra Lewis's home in
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Speaker 2: Camden and combed through miles of the brush on foot
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Speaker 2: in a grid search pattern. The search started after Myra's
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Speaker 2: parents called nine to one one to report her missing.
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Speaker 2: Multiple law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, joined the massive hunt.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's jumping out at me to Foreign Police
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Speaker 1: Chief John's Creek, Chris Buyer's Investigation. Chief Buyers that she
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Speaker 1: goes missing between ten and eleven a m. That's the
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Speaker 1: very rare to go missing in broad daylight in the
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Speaker 1: morning hours. Statistically.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, I was just thinking that as well, looking
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Speaker 8: at some statistics here, that is extremely rare, and so
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Speaker 8: I think that just moves to even intensify the.
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Speaker 1: Unknowns in this case. Straight out to you, Jessice Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Professor forensics, Jacksonville State University and author. What do you
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Speaker 1: do with a thing like this? Where do you we start?
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Speaker 4: Well, I got to tell you, Nancy, the first thing
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Speaker 4: what really strikes me about this case is that she
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Speaker 4: was in fact in the front yard. And there have
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Speaker 4: been cases where where children have been snatched like this,
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Speaker 4: And so what do you look for? Well, the first
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Speaker 4: thing you're going to look for is traveled routes. If
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Speaker 4: there is a home road right in front of the house,
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Speaker 4: who's going up and down that road? You know, nowadays
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Speaker 4: we have more and more homes that have ring cameras
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Speaker 4: and those sorts of things. Did they collect that data?
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Speaker 4: Do we have any eyewitnesses on the scene that may
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Speaker 4: have seen a suspicious vehicle going by? Because let me
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Speaker 4: tell you something, Nancy, if you're talking about a predator
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Speaker 4: that would snatch a child this age, this is something
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Speaker 4: that they would be. They're like hunters. They're going to
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Speaker 4: go out into a particular area and look for a child.
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Speaker 4: They might not be local. And keep in mind, this
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Speaker 4: area of the state is actually split into You've got
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Speaker 4: I twenty down to the south, and in addition to that,
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Speaker 4: You've also got I fifty five over to the west,
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Speaker 4: so you've got two major thoroughfares that are running through there.
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Speaker 4: Maybe they're just kind of trolling through this area looking
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Speaker 4: for young victims to kind of spare it off with.
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Speaker 4: Unless people are thinking that maybe she just wandered away
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Speaker 4: from the house, which for a two year old, they're
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Speaker 4: not going to get too far.
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Speaker 1: You know. I was just thinking that Cana, Mississippi, sounds
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Speaker 1: so much like where I grew up, literally out in
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Speaker 1: mill of nowhere, and who's going to be driving by
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Speaker 1: to grab her, well, some unknown esstilant. Let me just
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Speaker 1: point out what happened to Shasta and Dylan grownie in Courgelane,
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Speaker 1: Idaho and the middle of nowhere. They were near an
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Speaker 1: interstate like Joe Scott's just telling you about I twenty
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Speaker 1: and a guy looks over off the interstate and sees
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Speaker 1: Shasta playing at an above ground pool, did not know
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Speaker 1: the family at all, pulls off the interstate, waits, goes in,
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Speaker 1: kills the whole family, takes Shasta and little brother Dylan,
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Speaker 1: molest them, ultimately kills Dylan and Shasta is is saved.
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Speaker 1: My point is anything could have happened to this little
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Speaker 1: two year old girl. But what can we do about it?
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Speaker 1: What we can do about it is continue to look
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Speaker 1: for this girl, Myra Lewis. The tip line six is
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Speaker 1: zero one eight five nine two three four five. Repeat
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Speaker 1: six is zero one eight five nine two three four five.
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Speaker 1: Please don't forget those children waiting to be brought home.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, Goodbye friend