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Why Some of Life's Biggest Detours Become New Beginnings · Groove with Portia

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Guru Portia, the podcast that uncovers the hidden
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  Speaker 1: treasures within grief. I'm your host, Portia, the producer, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm inviting you to join me on a transformative journey
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  Speaker 1: where we will exchange laughter. Of course, the best medicine
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  Speaker 1: of them all. Reflect on cherished memories. Remember that time
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  Speaker 1: that the little boy grabbed my hand instead of his
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  Speaker 1: mother's at the amusement park?
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  Speaker 2: Yikes.
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  Speaker 1: And of course, discover gratitude while navigating one of life's
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  Speaker 1: hardest challenges, loss. So get ready to grew with me, Portia,
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  Speaker 1: the producer. Let's dive in.
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  Speaker 3: So Why, hello, everyone, and welcome back to Group of Portia.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Portia Booker, and as always, don't forget
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  Speaker 1: to like, share, and subscribe to keep up with all
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  Speaker 1: things Group of Portia. So those of you who know,
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  Speaker 1: I am a big concert junkie, and I'm wearing my
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  Speaker 1: Avril Lavigne t-shirt today. And one of the things that
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  Speaker 1: I love about shows, obviously, is just being in the
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  Speaker 1: atmosphere of my favorite artists. But there tends to also
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  Speaker 1: be a message that we receive while we're at concerts
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  Speaker 1: or live events that are just for us.
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  Speaker 3: Let me say that again.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes there's a message within the show that is just
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  Speaker 1: for us that we know and understand. I've seen Avril
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  Speaker 1: Lavigne twice in person. And I remember the last time
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  Speaker 1: that I saw her in concert, which was in 2024,
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  Speaker 1: one of the things I remember was her popular song,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 3: Sk8er Boi.
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  Speaker 1: And I always thought that I would end up with
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  Speaker 1: a Sk8er Boi, but that's not what happened with me
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  Speaker 1: and my current boyfriend's love story. The thing that I
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  Speaker 1: want to really touch on today is how these memories,
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  Speaker 1: how these Words and lyrics stay with us, just like
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  Speaker 1: the words that our loved ones who have made their
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  Speaker 1: transitions have done the same thing. Let that sink in.
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  Speaker 1: So today I'm joined by an amazing woman who we
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  Speaker 1: happen to meet through LinkedIn.
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  Speaker 3: We have several mutual connections, Mr. Dave Roberts and Mr.
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  Speaker 3: Rick Cram.
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  Speaker 1: But I know that this individual, she does a lot
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  Speaker 1: of stuff in the podcast space, but I think she
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  Speaker 1: also has her own story. So without further delay, welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Guru with Portia, Ms. Noemi Barris.
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  Speaker 3: Noemi, how you doing?
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  Speaker 2: I'm very well, Portia, especially now I can spend some
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  Speaker 2: time with you today and having this conversation. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: so honored to be here today. And I love your
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  Speaker 2: concert reference because I am a music festival concert junkie too.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of, you know, different American groups.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, I love concerts.
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  Speaker 3: So Noemi, before we dive in, what was the last
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  Speaker 3: show you went to?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. That was a very big music festival in
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  Speaker 2: Hungary with my son. First time music festival for him
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  Speaker 2: because he's 14 and we watched the 21 Pilots together.
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  Speaker 2: One of my favorite bands and his favorite band, you know, surprise, surprise.
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  Speaker 2: And he absolutely loved it. And what I loved about
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  Speaker 2: it that I could experience his first ever big, huge
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  Speaker 2: concert experience with like 80,000 people around him. And that
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  Speaker 2: was amazing, just watching his little face, you know, light
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  Speaker 2: up when they appeared on the stage.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, so you got a 14-year-old, Noemi? I mean, aren't
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  Speaker 3: you still 20fun. com? Oh, yeah, almost, almost.
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  Speaker 1: So interesting story, knowing me about 21 Pilots. They are
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  Speaker 1: from here in Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I am.
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  Speaker 1: So I have not seen them live. I've listened to
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  Speaker 1: a few songs by them, but I have not caught them.
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  Speaker 1: So and I feel about that experience with people who
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  Speaker 1: you love going to shows. Seeing their favorite artists, seeing
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  Speaker 1: how they perform, but also holding on to the memories
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  Speaker 1: that you and that person have together. I think I
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  Speaker 1: mentioned in the very beginning and even before we started
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  Speaker 1: the conversation that me and my current boyfriend, we both
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  Speaker 1: met at a concert. And also we were both at
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  Speaker 1: this same show in 2024, even though we didn't know
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  Speaker 1: each other then. But now we can we go to
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  Speaker 1: shows like it's nobody's business. I mean, I think we
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  Speaker 1: probably go to four to five shows a month easily.
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  Speaker 1: And to be able to share that same music interest,
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  Speaker 1: because I told you, most of you may or may
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  Speaker 1: not know how Nick and I met.
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  Speaker 2: We.
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  Speaker 1: Met through mutual friends and our music tastes were similar.
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  Speaker 1: Those of you who are familiar with symphonic metal, that
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  Speaker 1: is one of my favorite music genres. So think of
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  Speaker 1: obviously Evanescence would be an American version. You've got Nightwish,
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  Speaker 1: you've got Epica, the list goes on. But that's what
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  Speaker 1: was our connector. And I love Noemi, that you and
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  Speaker 1: your son are fans of 21 Pilots.
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  Speaker 3: That is definitely fun.
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  Speaker 1: Noemi, when I was kind of doing some digging about you,
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  Speaker 1: I know both of us share the transition of both
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  Speaker 1: of our fathers. And one thing that I know about
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  Speaker 1: your dad, he had this way of still showing up
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  Speaker 1: despite that feeling sick, not being the greatest in his health,
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  Speaker 1: but he still showed up with that smile on his face, right?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm curious for you, Noemi, what did that teach
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  Speaker 1: you about not only the resilience of the human spirit,
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  Speaker 1: but also as you go through life and your own
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  Speaker 1: personal grief journey while you carry your dad with you?
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  Speaker 2: It's a very great question and a deep one to
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  Speaker 2: start with, Porsche. It's... Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: You know, as you said, first of all, it's about
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  Speaker 2: resilience because no matter how sick he was, he kept
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  Speaker 2: going and he had plans for the future. And he
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  Speaker 2: was given like two years when he was diagnosed with
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  Speaker 2: cancer in 2017. But the love of life and the
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  Speaker 2: immense love that he showed for me, for my son
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  Speaker 2: and for my mom, probably that was that kept him
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  Speaker 2: alive for two more years. And I think that was
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  Speaker 2: so important and his big heart and he had a
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  Speaker 2: huge heart and a huge smile on his face all
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  Speaker 2: the time. I'm not saying, you know, when he was
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  Speaker 2: in the midst of the cancer that he was smiling
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  Speaker 2: all the time, but he had that kind of inner light,
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  Speaker 2: inner peace, and that kept him going. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that's really important. Uh, although he suffered a lot during
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  Speaker 2: that time, but it, He's my hero. Like I look
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  Speaker 2: up at him up till today because I think that
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  Speaker 2: kind of resilience and showing up for each other, even
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  Speaker 2: when you are absolutely sick and feeling horrible. And he
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  Speaker 2: was there for us even during that time. And he
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  Speaker 2: was planning and making notes and planning for the future.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that was so important for me to
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  Speaker 2: see that like he never, ever gave it up. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that's one of the most important messages that
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  Speaker 2: I learned from him, to never give up. And that's
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  Speaker 2: how I live by his legacy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Noemi, I appreciate you sharing about your dad because
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  Speaker 1: I think that sometimes we don't always have the opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: When we are that support system for others around us
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  Speaker 1: who have experienced some type of loss or transition, I
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  Speaker 1: feel that the greatest gift that we can still give
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  Speaker 1: not only ourselves, but our loved ones who have transitioned
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  Speaker 1: is to continue talking about them.
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  Speaker 3: Share what we learned.
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  Speaker 1: Share that smile that your dad had, that resilience, that
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  Speaker 1: forward thinking. Even as he's going through the journey of cancer,
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  Speaker 1: my mom also walked that as well, knowing that my
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  Speaker 1: mom had stage.
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  Speaker 3: Three lung cancer for a few years.
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  Speaker 1: And even though she conquered it, I remember going with
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  Speaker 1: her to those appointments and her being tired, not wanting
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  Speaker 1: to eat, but we did it together. I told her,
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  Speaker 1: I said, we're on this walk together. And literally, I
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  Speaker 1: remember one year, my mom wanted to participate in a
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  Speaker 1: walk for the American Lung Association. And I'll always cherish
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  Speaker 1: that walk, Noemi, because it was the first and the
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  Speaker 1: last walk we did as a mother-daughter team.
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  Speaker 2: That's beautiful.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And it's not always easy.
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  Speaker 1: It's so easy for a lot of people to shy
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  Speaker 1: away and take a step back instead of stepping in
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  Speaker 1: to what's before them. And Noemi, I love too how
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  Speaker 1: you brought up that your dad was still that support
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  Speaker 1: system for you, for your son, for your mom. And
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  Speaker 1: I know too, not only did your dad make his transition,
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  Speaker 1: but you've also experienced those detours that a lot of
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  Speaker 1: us do from pivoting from this space of a stable
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  Speaker 1: income to starting your own business. And me and you
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  Speaker 1: both know COVID really changed a lot for us.
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  Speaker 3: For each of us. And Noemi, could you share with
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  Speaker 3: our audience for you?
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  Speaker 1: You had, I believe, a travel business that was very
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  Speaker 1: successful and COVID kind of set up. We're not going
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  Speaker 1: anywhere except taking a trip from the backyard to the
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  Speaker 1: front yard to get the mail. And so I'm curious,
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  Speaker 1: how did that detour happen? and grief of this shift
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  Speaker 1: and pivot and what you believe the future would be
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  Speaker 1: for this business, how did that help you to see
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  Speaker 1: the development within yourself when you think about it now?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So when I think about it now, it's like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I learned so much. I needed this
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  Speaker 2: kind of journey to become who I am today. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: when I was there in the midst of it, that
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  Speaker 2: was not the case. As you said, I had a
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  Speaker 2: successful travel business from 2014 Oh my gosh, when we
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  Speaker 2: started in 2007.
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  Speaker 3: It's been six years. Crazy, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the travel business started in 2007 and ended in 2020. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I was doing content creation, social media marketing,
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  Speaker 2: and I always loved travel. So that was my life.
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  Speaker 2: And just one moment, it went up in the smoke.
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  Speaker 2: Everything stopped. And plus, I also lost my grandma to
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  Speaker 2: an accident a month after my dad passed away. And
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  Speaker 2: two big losses in my family. And I'm an only child,
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  Speaker 2: so I don't have brothers, sisters, you know, a huge family.
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  Speaker 2: I only have my mom and me. And it was
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  Speaker 2: a lot. And then, of course, we got the news
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  Speaker 2: in March, April, you know, when the whole system went down. Like, okay, guys,
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  Speaker 2: nobody's traveling anywhere. Nobody's flying anywhere. And, okay, so we
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  Speaker 2: had to figure out, like, what to do. And we
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  Speaker 2: started the new business. But... What I learned through this
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  Speaker 2: journey that, again, it's kind of like a key word
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  Speaker 2: today or a magic word today, it's resilience and not
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  Speaker 2: giving up and keep going. And I read a very interesting,
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  Speaker 2: I'm reading actually a book, the Psycho-Cybernetics by Dr. Maxwell Maltz.
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  Speaker 2: And I absolutely adore that book. I'm like halfway through it.
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  Speaker 2: And today, this morning, when I was reading it, He
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  Speaker 2: came up with, I think it was Thomas Edison he quoted,
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  Speaker 2: that I think his whole office, everything burned down. He
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  Speaker 2: had to restart that kind of life and how awful
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  Speaker 2: it was. But he had this very fierce and very
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  Speaker 2: strong will to to continue things in his life and
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  Speaker 2: never giving up and I was always like this because
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  Speaker 2: when you're an entrepreneur you feel it in your body
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  Speaker 2: in your soul like no no I push it I
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  Speaker 2: don't care like whatever happens like you know the whole
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  Speaker 2: world can you know turn upside down I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: stay an entrepreneur and be an entrepreneur I'm not going
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  Speaker 2: to do work for.
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  Speaker 4: Other people I'm just doing like something else so so
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  Speaker 4: let's do it I don't care and you know That's
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  Speaker 4: how I continued and started a completely new business from scratch.
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  Speaker 2: I never worked with American clients before. That was a
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  Speaker 2: whole new culture to get to know. So everything was new.
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  Speaker 2: Plus online schooling was full on with my seven-year-old, back
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  Speaker 2: seven-year-old son. Nobody knew what they were doing in the school,
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  Speaker 2: not the teachers, not my son. He didn't even use
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  Speaker 2: a computer before that. So I was doing this during
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  Speaker 2: the day and trying to, you know, work with him,
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  Speaker 2: help him through his studies. And I was just going
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  Speaker 2: absolutely crazy during that time. And then in the evening,
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  Speaker 2: I was starting a new business from scratch, reaching out
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  Speaker 2: to people, getting those offers. you know, meetings booked and everything.
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  Speaker 2: So it was a very hectic time, but I learned
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  Speaker 2: that like, yeah, I can, I can totally raise from
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  Speaker 2: my ashes and I can do this. If I can
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  Speaker 2: do this, I can do anything after this. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and essentially, Noemi, I hate to say it, but
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  Speaker 1: when you're starting out as an entrepreneur, you're kind of
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  Speaker 1: playing the role in the circus of the juggler, right?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you're juggling the pivot of not working for
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  Speaker 1: somebody else.
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  Speaker 3: You're raising a son.
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  Speaker 1: You're having to pivot in his learning because he can't
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  Speaker 1: go into school anymore.
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  Speaker 3: There's no recess or lunch.
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  Speaker 1: So you got to cook and you know, you're trying
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  Speaker 1: to build the business or you're on zoom calls with
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  Speaker 1: different people, or if, you know, Skype was still around
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  Speaker 1: then Skype, whatever. I don't even know. Right.
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  Speaker 3: And so you're literally.
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  Speaker 1: Juggling so many different components, but at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: you found a way to literally catch all of the
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  Speaker 1: pieces and find your rhythm and flow.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Noemi, for our audience who's tuning in, before we go
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  Speaker 1: on to the next part of the conversation, if our
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  Speaker 1: audience wants to connect with you, if they want to
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  Speaker 1: learn more about your work, if you have any upcoming
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  Speaker 1: events that people can actually see and meet you in person,
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  Speaker 1: please share with our audience how they can connect with you.
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  Speaker 2: Please connect with me on LinkedIn. I'm always there. That's
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  Speaker 2: my space. It's Noemi Barras and there's a tiny microphone
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  Speaker 2: sign next to my name and please connect with me.
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  Speaker 2: And of course our website, podcastconnectionsplural.co. You can also find
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  Speaker 2: us there and you can connect with us through that.
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  Speaker 3: Excellent. So as Noemi mentioned, LinkedIn is the platform.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, if you forget, you can utilize our dear friends, AI,
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  Speaker 1: any type of AI software to remember who Noemi is.
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  Speaker 3: If you forget who I am, that's okay, too. I understand.
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  Speaker 1: Also, podcast connections. So I'll definitely put those in the
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  Speaker 1: updated show notes as well. Noemi, let's talk about podcasting
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  Speaker 1: because I know that you started podcasting. the podcast connections,
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  Speaker 1: kind of in an unexpected way. I told people the
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  Speaker 1: same thing happened to me. I found my TV job,
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  Speaker 1: believe it or not, on Facebook. Okay, I found my.
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  Speaker 3: TV career at NBC temporarily on Facebook. True story.
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  Speaker 1: And When we think about podcasting, you've been in it
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  Speaker 1: around the same time as I have.
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  Speaker 3: And we've seen a multitude of changes.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of advice out there on the right
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  Speaker 1: ways to host a podcast, be a guest, all the above.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm curious for you, Noemi, what has been, if
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  Speaker 1: you want to say it, the most consistent piece of
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  Speaker 1: The best way I can say it is what's been
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  Speaker 1: the most consistent piece of not so much advice, but
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  Speaker 1: the most consistent piece about podcasting that a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people tend to sleep on, whether you're a host or
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  Speaker 1: a guest, about the podcast space?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's a great question, Portia. And I think... So
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  Speaker 2: many hosts who are in this space, they never realize
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  Speaker 2: how much work this is and how much energy they
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  Speaker 2: have to put into this. It's not just recording those
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  Speaker 2: episodes and becoming famous from one day to another. Same
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  Speaker 2: with the podcast guests. You always have to show up.
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  Speaker 2: You have to show up on the days when you're
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  Speaker 2: not feeling right, when you're not sleeping for two days,
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  Speaker 2: and when you're doing other stuff or you're sick or
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  Speaker 2: whatever happens in your life. And this showing up, I
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  Speaker 2: think this is what so many people... uh misunderstand it's
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  Speaker 2: like okay i can do seven six episodes and that's
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  Speaker 2: always the magic number by the way that like after
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  Speaker 2: seven episode people realize it's like oh my gosh like
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  Speaker 2: this is work like do i need really need this
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  Speaker 2: it's fun to have conversation with people but what about
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  Speaker 2: the editing what about this what about that so they
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  Speaker 2: haven't realized the complexity of running a show and also
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  Speaker 2: um that being a guest is so much easier. So
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  Speaker 2: I keep telling people like, that's fine if you want
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  Speaker 2: to be a guest, but like running a show, it's
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  Speaker 2: a responsibility. And I've seen that so many times that
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  Speaker 2: people started the podcast and they just canceled the whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, oh, I'm not doing anything or I'm changing direction.
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  Speaker 2: That's how they put it. And this is when they
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  Speaker 2: just stop. And I think you just really have to
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  Speaker 2: think about it when you're a host. Like, do you
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  Speaker 2: have the time, the energy and of course, the money
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  Speaker 2: to run a show? Because this is not so easy
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  Speaker 2: peasy when you think about it. It's a lot of time,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of energy, scheduling people, editing. putting out the
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  Speaker 2: show like every two weeks, every week or every day,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's up to your schedule, but it
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  Speaker 2: is a lot of work and success won't happen overnight.
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  Speaker 2: So you're not going to be Jay Shetty or Louise
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  Speaker 2: Hose like in two weeks. I mean, they started very
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  Speaker 2: early on and they worked hard and now they have
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  Speaker 2: a huge team behind them. And maybe just one more
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  Speaker 2: thing that What I don't understand that many hosts who
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  Speaker 2: are in this space, they don't do their homework before
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  Speaker 2: a guest appears on the show. And, you know, when
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  Speaker 2: they started like, oh, please just share your story or
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  Speaker 2: tell me something or... And this is, no, no, please don't.
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  Speaker 2: And I know maybe this, but sometimes I just love
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  Speaker 2: to talk about this because it's, you know, it's your
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  Speaker 2: show and you need to do your homework too. The
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  Speaker 2: guests should do their homework as well about the podcast host,
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  Speaker 2: about their business, whatever they're doing, and listen to at
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: least one episode, please, before the interview when you get
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: on any kind of shows. But please, podcast hosts, do
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: your homework and listen Not just two minutes with AI,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: but like dig a little bit deeper into the person's history, business,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: because they appreciate it. Like gas will light up when
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: you do your research about that.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Noemi, you've literally said everything that's in my brain. I mean,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I think because I've been in every seat in the
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: entire podcast ecosystem, plus my background is in TV. and radio,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I've been in the guest seat, I've been in the
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: host seat, I've been in the producer seat. So I
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: know all the ecosystems of what it takes to have
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: a well-crafted podcast. And even for me, for example, I'm
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I'm very particular about the people who I interview. I am.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, people, I'm very selective, but that's a good thing, right?
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Where I hate to say it. I think some hosts,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: when they're starting out, they just want everybody, which is fine.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: It's just the same as if you're applying for a job.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: You want your dream job. Sometimes you have to work
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: up to that dream job, build those skills, make those connections, networking.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: And I'm curious for you, Noemi, for our audience, Can
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: you share about the importance of networking in the podcast space?
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Because I think sometimes a lot of guests and hosts,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: they go in with this notion to sell, sell, sell, sell.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: But I've found for me, the biggest ROI has been
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: to network and leverage those and keep those relationships because
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: that's what's opened many doors for me as not only
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: just a producer, but also a host.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: And- Thank you for this. Like, because that's the key.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: I keep telling these people that, um, Podcast guesting is
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: probably the 21st century's best networking tool.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Because we still treat it like, okay, one interview done
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: and dusted, next one. It's not. I always encourage people
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: to jump on a post-interview chat with the host. And
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: you can initiate that and you don't have to wait
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: for the host to do that. Like, hey, I know
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: you're busy after this interview, but can we jump on
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: a call and pick a time, like 15, 20 minutes,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: when you can actually figure out how to help, how
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: to serve each other. Because that's when the magic happens.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: That's the time when you can figure out to do
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: a webinar together, to start a business venture together. It
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: can become a friendship. There are so many things. But
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: you must. It's not like an option. You must network
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: with the host. Because that's how you can basically use
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: the full capacity of podcast guesting. Because so many people
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: telling me, it's like, yeah, it's nothing happening. Like I'm
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: not getting the clients. I'm not studying the books. Like
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: what's going on? Well, it's like, this is not working
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: for me. Like what does get me dead or not working?
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: It's not, but you didn't really put the effort, time
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: and energy into this whole scenario after the interview, because
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: there's okay that if you, you know, promoted once on
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: LinkedIn or Facebook, but that's not enough. I mean, that's just,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: that's never enough. And, Like, to be honest with you, Portia,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: sometimes they don't even do that.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: They don't even reach that stage. And I think it's
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: just please, please network with the host because that's where
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: the magic happens. And never forget to thank the host
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: after the interview, because believe it or not, not everybody
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: does that or very few people do that anyway.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Well, and I'd also want to add to that too, Noemi,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: that some people may feel, and I'm going to be blunt,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: that they don't have to tag the host because they
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: may not have a big social media following. But see,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: the thing of it is you have to remember that
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: just because some people may not have 99,000 followers, they
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: may have that very targeted, niched, loyal audience that's going
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: to open doors for you in the long run. I mean, I've,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I'm very grateful, Noemi, that the way that I've had
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: grew with Portia set up and the interviews that I've cultivated,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I get so many people who message me and say, Portia,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: that interview is what I needed. You know, can you
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: connect me with this person? I love their work. I
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: love their book.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, boom.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: And then those hosts, you never know which hosts have
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: connections to other big podcasts that you literally have. I
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: hate to say it, shot yourself in the foot over.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: And some of us hosts, we do take notes about
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: those of you who do not share, do not follow
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: up or anything.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: We do take notes about that.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: So be mindful of that because you can miss your
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: next opportunity by something very simple. And I'm a firm
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: believer knowing me that podcasting is a collaborative effort, right?
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Yet we're both utilizing both each other's platforms. But at
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, as you mentioned, how do
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: we continue to make this magic work? How do we
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: continue to not only help each other's businesses to grow,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: but also connect with other people, see where there's a
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: real solution that we can create out of just two strangers,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: you know, coming together. And that's the other thing too, Noemi,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: that I love about podcasting is I get to connect
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: with so many different people all over the world. I mean,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: I never know who I'm going to interview. I wait
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: a lot of times until it's the actual day of
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: the interview to talk to people. I'm somebody who does
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: not do coffee chats very often, unless I'm not really
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: sure where I've watched maybe a few episodes or their
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: social media. And I'm like, let me just get a
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: feel for them in person. over a quick chat. But
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: for the most part, I go in, I do my research,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: and I'm ready to go. I'm ready to rock and
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: roll because I want this to be an experience for you.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: So some people may wait a little while to be
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: a guest on Grew Up Portia, but I guarantee that
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: your experience is next to none.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can vouch for that totally. Absolutely.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Well, Noemi, you have been an amazing guest today. And
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: I'm very grateful, again, shout out to Dave Roberts and
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Rick Cram, two of our mutual connections, how we got connected.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: And Noemi, for our.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Audience today, and I never really asked this, but I've
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: been asking in a couple interviews, the last couple ones
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I've done. When you think about the transition of your father,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: the transition of your grandmother, right? also your travel business
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: kind of, no pun intended, taking a pivot into the
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: podcast space. What would you say throughout those experiences have
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: taught you about finding your own groove?
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Finding my own groove was to figure out who I
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: am during the journey. That was really important because you
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: change a lot, right? Like you have all these seasons
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: in your life, in your 20s, in your 30s, in
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: your 40s, my 40s, late 40s. And you figure it out.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: And it's amazing to see all those changes happening. And
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: you have to accept that with grace because nothing's going
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: to go back and will be the same that, you know,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: when my dad was alive and when our whole family
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: was together. And you have to accept those changes and
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: you have to adapt to those changes. And you have
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: to do the inner work in order to accept that.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: And it's a lot of work and it's an ongoing
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: project and you're never done with it, but never forget
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: to enjoy the journey because this is our life. And
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: the moment that counts nothing else, because we always just
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: dwell on the past or dwell on the future. Like
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: this is the now and life is too short. I've
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: seen this with my own eyes and losing many, you know,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: dear friends also to cancer and very close family members.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: A lot. And this is the now. Just enjoy it
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: as much as you can. And of course, work hard,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: do your thing and just enjoy life. Work to the fullest.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Noemi, you said it best.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's so hard sometimes to stay in the
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: present moment because we're always sometimes our mind goes to
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: the past when we're not where we want to be
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: just yet. But I want to remind each and every
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: one of you to find gratitude in the seat of
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: occupancy that you have today. Because at one point in
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: your journey, you pray to be where you are. Even
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: if you're not to the full destination yet, even once
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: you get there, find the gratitude in that moment because
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: there's something beautiful there waiting for you. Well, everybody, that
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: was Miss Noemi Barris that you heard from today on
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Guru with Portia. And that concludes our conversation. And until
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: next time, everybody, peace and hair grease, everyone.