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In Love and Lust with Kaitlyn Bristowe · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with IR Radio. Hello, everyone, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast.
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Speaker 1: Big episode today. I mean that's a Ben says every week,
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Speaker 1: but like, seriously, this is the finale, and this finale
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Speaker 1: is insane and we have the best guests I could
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Speaker 1: possibly imagine breaking it down with. Today. It is Caitlin Bristow. Hello, Caitlin,
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for taking Thank you so much
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Speaker 1: for taking the time out of your insane schedule. You guys,
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Speaker 1: just a little preview as to um what Caitlin's past
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Speaker 1: twenty four hours have been. She was on the live
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Speaker 1: show and now she's on a bus to San Diego
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Speaker 1: to do Dancing with the Stars Live show today, and
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Speaker 1: she did so many interviews and I'm probably probably a
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Speaker 1: podcast of your own in between then, and somehow she
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Speaker 1: was able to squeeze in an hour for us. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry that I'm like literally on a bus
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Speaker 1: bouncing around back here, Like I hope the audio sounds
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Speaker 1: good for all of your listeners, because I am I
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Speaker 1: hots it is. It sounds good. It's funny because we
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Speaker 1: get bios for everybody. Stept that I don't really need
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Speaker 1: a bio for you. And it's just like these are
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Speaker 1: the things that Caitlin has going on her life as
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Speaker 1: a constant. In addition to you know, being the Bachelorette
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Speaker 1: House for the past few seasons, she has her podcast
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Speaker 1: Off the Vine or Scrunching Hair accessory company, Do Edit,
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Speaker 1: her wine label, Spin Sparrows, and the Dancing with the
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Speaker 1: Stars Live toor so like, yeah, it's this girl just
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Speaker 1: does it all. And you are an amazing business woman
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Speaker 1: and I'm so proud of you. Okay, thank you. You're
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Speaker 1: the most perfect person to have here today. Like I said,
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Speaker 1: because you said last week in your interview with Clayton
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Speaker 1: that there are some ways that you can relate to him.
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Speaker 1: So can we like just hit it off the bat? Um?
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Speaker 1: You had a little controversion in your season because um,
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Speaker 1: yeah there was like some outing you sleeping with you
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Speaker 1: know people, And how do you feel how do you
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Speaker 1: feel like this season has like it's do you think
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Speaker 1: it's just always gonna be sloppy? Is it always slobby?
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Speaker 1: If you sleep with somebody who isn't you're gonna be
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Speaker 1: your final pick? I keep saying, I'm like like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I get that there are people that come on the
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Speaker 1: show that are virgins who are the leads, and of
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Speaker 1: course they aren't sleeping with people in the fantasy suite,
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Speaker 1: but there I would like to know how many bachelor
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Speaker 1: and bachelorettes go to the fantasy fantasy suite and sleep
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Speaker 1: with more than one person. It's literally part of the process,
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, to do that. I don't think it's
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Speaker 1: right or wrong. I think it depends on each individual
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Speaker 1: of like what they need from the like to to
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Speaker 1: figure out what they need in that relationship to move
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Speaker 1: forward for forever um. So I just think, like I
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Speaker 1: thought the show and I thought the viewers had come
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Speaker 1: such a long way because I obviously slept with more
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Speaker 1: than one person on my season and got so much
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Speaker 1: BackFlash and shaming and all of that that came with it.
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Speaker 1: But then kind of Brown sleeps with you know, more
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Speaker 1: than one person and four times in a windmill, and
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Speaker 1: everyone was cheering for her, and I was like, yes,
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Speaker 1: sex positive, here we go, like we're finally coming around,
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Speaker 1: and like everyone was like he locks fun and I
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Speaker 1: was like yes, and I like loved that people were
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Speaker 1: accepting of it. And now Payton does it and because
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Speaker 1: again it's like I don't know. I don't know why,
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Speaker 1: but everyone's like shaving him for it, and he I
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Speaker 1: just think he's like in over his head with falling
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Speaker 1: in love with people. Like I think he's just he's
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Speaker 1: just in over his head. That's the best way I
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Speaker 1: can explain it, Okay, except for my issue, and Ben
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Speaker 1: and I have made it super clear over the past
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Speaker 1: few weeks. Was not him sleeping with everyone or two
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Speaker 1: of them. It was the way he spoke to Susie. Yes,
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Speaker 1: one thousand percent, And I just don't know if I
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Speaker 1: could get over that. Um, I totally agree with you.
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Speaker 1: I and he knows that, like he said to me
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Speaker 1: watching it back, he was like, I totally handled that poorly,
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Speaker 1: like he said, he didn't guess light. I'm I agree.
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Speaker 1: And then some people have told me, like that term
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Speaker 1: is so overused now that you're using it like me,
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Speaker 1: like I use it in an interview in the two
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Speaker 1: general sense, but like if you really look at the
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Speaker 1: psychological definition of it, maybe he wasn't. And I'm like, okay, sorry.
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Speaker 1: What I mean then is that it was like manipulative.
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Speaker 1: It was manipulative. It really was, And and I think
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Speaker 1: he knows that watching it back, But I always have
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Speaker 1: to give people the benefit of the doubt. Not that
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Speaker 1: I think anyone should be excused for talking to anyone
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Speaker 1: like that, but I will say that when you are
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Speaker 1: at the end of that journey in that place, especially Clayton,
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Speaker 1: he is so emotional, He is an absolute train wreck.
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Speaker 1: He is just like at this point, I feel like
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Speaker 1: he doesn't even know who he is, where he is,
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Speaker 1: what he feels. And so I think he was just
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Speaker 1: like so emotionally drained, and I think and I think
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Speaker 1: he told me this on my podcast, that he had
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Speaker 1: this feeling that Susie wanted to be the bachelorette, so
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Speaker 1: he was told us the same thing, And like, I
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Speaker 1: can understand. I can understand watching it back with that mentality,
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Speaker 1: you're literally just questioning everyone and every intention and you're
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Speaker 1: like do I even know these people? And like who
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Speaker 1: are you? And like I don't have my family, I
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Speaker 1: don't have my friends. Like you're just such a mess
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Speaker 1: at that point that like you probably aren't acting the
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Speaker 1: way you usually would in real life. Yeah, yeah, I understand.
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Speaker 1: But at the same time, it was a rough that.
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Speaker 1: You know, we we left off last week rough and
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Speaker 1: now we enter this week with another questionable decision. I
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Speaker 1: suppose well when he asked, you know, and he kind
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Speaker 1: of like begs boat girl to stay um at the
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Speaker 1: road ceremony. But first I want to ask you two questions. First,
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Speaker 1: do you think that he really is in love with
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Speaker 1: these girls, all three of them? Or is he in
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Speaker 1: lust with all three of them? Um? Probably lust? I
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Speaker 1: mean I I just always you know, I've been in
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Speaker 1: that position, and it's like, how if you love someone
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Speaker 1: like you know all of their flaws and you love
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Speaker 1: them for their flaws and their insecurities and their mistakes
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Speaker 1: and their good times and they're bad times and their
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Speaker 1: ups and downs, and you don't know someone well enough
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Speaker 1: to be fully in love with them on that show, um,
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Speaker 1: but you can definitely fall in love and be in lust. Um.
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Speaker 1: So I think it's probably lust for all three of them.
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Speaker 1: Because I don't want to speak for him, but I
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Speaker 1: don't think he has much life experience, like with like
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Speaker 1: relationships and seeing the world and going through like you know,
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Speaker 1: what a lot of people have before they find the
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Speaker 1: love of their life. So I think he really has
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Speaker 1: three great women that I like. Don't fault him for
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Speaker 1: falling for all of them because they seem incredible. Um,
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Speaker 1: and I think he's just like, what have I Like,
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Speaker 1: what have I gotten myself into? Because I really I
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Speaker 1: think he's falling in love with all three of them,
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Speaker 1: but it's probably lost. Yeah, Okay, that completely leads me
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Speaker 1: into my next question. He's the second Bachelor we've had
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Speaker 1: in a row who has had basically no experience with
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Speaker 1: the franchise. Did not you know, Matt James nubi completely
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Speaker 1: and then Clayton. I mean what was he there for
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Speaker 1: two weeks on Michelle season? Like filming wise, probably about
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Speaker 1: two weeks, so practically no experience, doesn't know how it.
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Speaker 1: I saw Blake talking on Twitter and Instagram about how
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Speaker 1: he was like, he has no he doesn't have like
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Speaker 1: the empathy for these women that a normal quote normal
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Speaker 1: lead who made it top three would have. Who knows
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Speaker 1: how difficult being in the top three is. So is
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Speaker 1: this just like a big learning lesson for ABC that
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Speaker 1: they need to be casting for like a quote successful season,
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Speaker 1: be casting some somebody who has experienced or is it
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Speaker 1: or is this great TV? And and we are and
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Speaker 1: then like the production and all that doesn't care whether
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Speaker 1: it leads in happily ever after. Well, I mean it's
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Speaker 1: in I don't know if great TV would also show
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Speaker 1: in the numbers the numbers and the rains are down.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, so it's it's fascinating to think of it
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Speaker 1: from that point of view, where, um, you know, is
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Speaker 1: it great TV because the ratings are down or is
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Speaker 1: that just because everyone is like watching Netflix now or like,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I have thought that this season
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Speaker 1: wasn't like it was. I always say it's hard to
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Speaker 1: root for somebody if you don't know that well enough, Like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: so it's it was hard to root for him because
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Speaker 1: you're like, well, I don't really know you and I
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Speaker 1: don't know much about you from the last season. Um,
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Speaker 1: so it's hard to root for them to find somebody
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Speaker 1: when you don't know them very well. Um. But I
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Speaker 1: think every season is a learning lesson for ABC because
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Speaker 1: they're always gonna like, you know, every season is going
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Speaker 1: to have something. But I also want to know are
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Speaker 1: we holding these people to such high standards? Like why
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Speaker 1: do we expect Clayton to navigate this perfectly and not
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Speaker 1: make mistakes and not fall for all these incredible women?
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Speaker 1: Like why are we having these crazy expectations of him? Um,
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Speaker 1: just because he is the Bachelor. That's true. It's like
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Speaker 1: people want the lead to just know to follow the formula,
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Speaker 1: the standard formula, because then they get so annoyed when
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Speaker 1: they don't, because just look at it like Ari Peter,
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Speaker 1: that all of them. It's just like people get so
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Speaker 1: angry when you don't go by the book. But then
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Speaker 1: then if you went by the book, if you yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: It's it's so interesting, Like it's the world that we
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Speaker 1: live in is such a like damned if you do,
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Speaker 1: damned if you don't. World. And like I was even
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Speaker 1: thinking about when I was reading tweets last night from
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Speaker 1: being on TV for like what thirty seconds? Um, people
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Speaker 1: were like, you, what did you do to her face?
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Speaker 1: And that's like a very common thing I get. But
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Speaker 1: I'm like, man, if I didn't do anything in my face,
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Speaker 1: people will be like, oh, I fe looks so old
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Speaker 1: you've had work done or you're old when you look old.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so funny. I mean same here
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Speaker 1: on the podcast. It's just like, oh, you asked the
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Speaker 1: hard questions and then people are like, oh if they
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Speaker 1: were so mean, you don't ask the questions. It's like, oh,
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Speaker 1: they're terrible interview. They didn't ask, we wanted to know. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I've heard. I read one review on my podcast that
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Speaker 1: I'm too nice to everybody, and I was like, what
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Speaker 1: now I'm too nice? No, I think you are too nice.
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Speaker 1: And compare is into like our interviews last week with
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Speaker 1: yours with Clayton and ours with Clayton, everybody preferred ears. Well,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's just different perspectives because obviously
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Speaker 1: I've been in his shoes, and but then I love
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Speaker 1: you twice. That's so fair. I didn't even think about that.
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Speaker 1: You guys are like perfect compliments. Yeah, it's so yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just such a tough world with
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Speaker 1: um everybody's got an opinion, and like I feel bad
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Speaker 1: for Clayton just because I do think he handled that
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Speaker 1: one situation very poorly, and like people take it so
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Speaker 1: seriously that they're like like they're acting like he like
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Speaker 1: ran over somebody's puppy. Like they're like, he he he
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Speaker 1: made mistakes, he didn't like kill somebody, and they're like
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Speaker 1: he deserves to die, like dramatic. Okay, So that's interesting
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Speaker 1: that you say that, because last week I have to
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Speaker 1: admit I was pretty fired up. I really didn't like
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Speaker 1: the way that he spoke to her. This episode, I
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Speaker 1: had way more empathy for him. I was feeling kind
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Speaker 1: of bad because he just seemed so lost, like he
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Speaker 1: seemed dumb to the process. Do you know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: And what I mean like like you just said, you
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Speaker 1: don't have to be perfect of the process, but like wow,
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Speaker 1: just all over the place, And there's definitely an ego
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Speaker 1: thing at play. There was an ego thing I played
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Speaker 1: last week, and there's definitely one here where it's kind
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Speaker 1: of like it's all about me and my feelings, you know,
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Speaker 1: and he and he's kind of dragging them on for
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Speaker 1: the ride. And I think his answer to that, and
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Speaker 1: I don't want to put words in his mouth, but
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Speaker 1: like last week, he was big on the whole like compartmentalizing,
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Speaker 1: where he was like, these are like different relationships for me,
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Speaker 1: and I was just you know, exploring each of them individually.
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Speaker 1: I think it's you know, it could be could be
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Speaker 1: that well that you can do that to a fault,
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Speaker 1: and I you know, you can literally compartmentalized too well
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Speaker 1: and hurt people and hurt yourself because you're like, well,
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Speaker 1: I'm in this moment and I'm going to forget everybody
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Speaker 1: else right now because I'm gonna, you know, give my
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Speaker 1: full attention to this person. That's what they deserve. But
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Speaker 1: when you do that, you're literally hurting so many other people.
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Speaker 1: I think that was like such a big part of
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Speaker 1: my relationship with Sean was that that foundation that you
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Speaker 1: start on is so rocky that you're like, how could
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Speaker 1: you be telling the other people these things and feeling
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Speaker 1: these other things when like, I'm your person and it's
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Speaker 1: so hard for anybody to understand. But when you compartmentalize
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Speaker 1: too well, it gets you in a lot of trouble
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Speaker 1: and muddy waters. And that's exactly what Clayton has done.
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Speaker 1: That leads me into a conversation that I'm really excited
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Speaker 1: to have with you, and we're going to do that
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Speaker 1: right after this break. Okay, so we leave, We begin
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Speaker 1: this episode at the Rose ceremony, and he admits the
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Speaker 1: teaser that we've seen tease the entire season. We finally
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Speaker 1: get it. I'm in love with all three of you,
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Speaker 1: and I slept with both of you, I was intimate
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Speaker 1: with if he Okay, so, step one, how do you
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Speaker 1: feel about him doing that in public in front of
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Speaker 1: both of them? Yeah, that should have been a conversation
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Speaker 1: that was you know, I think he owed it to
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Speaker 1: those two women to like take them aside and not
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Speaker 1: do it at a rose ceremony and be like, hey,
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Speaker 1: ps while you're both standing here. One favorite part of
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Speaker 1: the episode is Rachel asking um, Gabby if she was okay?
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Speaker 1: Like she seemed truly concerned. It was sweet. Oh my god,
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Speaker 1: it was such a sweet moment because it felt so genuine.
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Speaker 1: But him, he shouldn't have had that conversation with both
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Speaker 1: of them, I say, privately, but it's on natural television,
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Speaker 1: but like not in front of the other person. Now,
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Speaker 1: in your opinion, having gone through something similar ish, do
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Speaker 1: you think that he should have even done it in general?
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Speaker 1: Do you think that he needed to say to tell
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Speaker 1: them in those moments one the I love you part
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Speaker 1: and to the sleeping with people a part, because like
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Speaker 1: eventually they're going to find out. So do you tell
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Speaker 1: him there during the process or you need to tell
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Speaker 1: him in the aftermath. And I feel like you like, like,
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Speaker 1: oh God, like this this affected my life so much.
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Speaker 1: It's it's so wrong on so many levels to be
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Speaker 1: intimate with more than one person at the same time
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Speaker 1: while you're trying to find love. But in the Bachelor world,
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Speaker 1: it's like I don't know what I want to I
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Speaker 1: want to say accepted, but it's encouraged or you're like
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Speaker 1: it's it's just not the real world. It's not in
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Speaker 1: the real world you would you would stop a relationship
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Speaker 1: with other people once you were like, oh, I'm in
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Speaker 1: love with this person. But in this the bad the
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Speaker 1: world you as as the lead. Part of the process
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Speaker 1: and part of the um format of the show is
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Speaker 1: to continue these relationships. So for him to do that,
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's wrong UM and and I think
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Speaker 1: the boundaries should all be set before the fantasy suites though.
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Speaker 1: You should have these conversations with these women, whether they
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Speaker 1: air it or not, of those boundaries, like are you
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Speaker 1: going to leave if I am intimate with more than
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Speaker 1: one person? Like I don't know who goes into I'm
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Speaker 1: such a different person though, because like I remember being
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Speaker 1: on Crystal Seas and I was like, I hope he
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Speaker 1: sleeps with all three and like wants me at the
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Speaker 1: end of it, Like I wanted that moving moving forward.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I would have like still felt
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Speaker 1: comfortable with that, but at the time so I just
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Speaker 1: think boundaries need to be set between these for these
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Speaker 1: relationships before the fantasy suites. UM. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: it's their business to like know if he did or not. UM.
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Speaker 1: I just think each situation is so unique, like maybe
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Speaker 1: some people would want to know, Maybe some people wouldn't
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Speaker 1: want to know, Like maybe those two women were like,
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Speaker 1: why did you tell me that? I wouldn't want to know,
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Speaker 1: Like one of those things where it's like, um, honestly,
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Speaker 1: I do out of mind. No, what is it Like?
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Speaker 1: It's what you don't know can't hurt you, And some
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Speaker 1: people might be like that. So I don't know. It's
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Speaker 1: just such a tricky situation. I hate how empathetic I am.
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Speaker 1: I wish I had such a straight answer. I was like, no,
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Speaker 1: don't do that. No, No, I think I think that's
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Speaker 1: a totally fair answer. I think what rattled these women
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Speaker 1: the most, what they kept saying over and over was
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Speaker 1: he loves us both, he loves us all. I think
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Speaker 1: they expected I thought they I think they probably thought
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Speaker 1: there was a really good chance that he'd be sleeping
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Speaker 1: with all of them, but they didn't expect for him
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Speaker 1: to be saying I love you to all of them,
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Speaker 1: But so did he do yes, I don't know. I
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Speaker 1: think like that I love you is I sometimes like
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Speaker 1: I think that's more deep than being intimate. I think,
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Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, And so I think he should have Um,
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Speaker 1: I think he was so easily produced and convinced that
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Speaker 1: this is how he should do it and this is
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Speaker 1: what he should do, and that he was just trying
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Speaker 1: to like make television while also following his heart. And
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Speaker 1: so I I like the whole thing. I'm like, oh
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Speaker 1: my gosh, how does he not, like, you know, how
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Speaker 1: does he bring these two women to meet his family
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Speaker 1: after he's like, oh, but my heart is still with Susie, Like,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. But at the same time, it's like
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Speaker 1: that's he's probably being told this is the format of
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Speaker 1: the show. You have to at least do this for
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Speaker 1: them and to see if they want you know. So
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Speaker 1: I'm just like, God, making television is so hard. Well,
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Speaker 1: when it's like you're not a character, You're not a character,
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Speaker 1: you're a real human being going through these emotions and
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Speaker 1: trying to find love and trying to make television, like,
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Speaker 1: it's so messy. The other thing about not getting far
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Speaker 1: on Michelle season is that he is an experience that
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Speaker 1: it comes to the production element. He probably just had
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Speaker 1: like no backbone with it, Like he just thought that
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Speaker 1: you go along with anything that's suggested, because as we
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Speaker 1: said on this show many times, there's always free will.
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Speaker 1: You always can make your own decisions, but like you know,
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Speaker 1: you're encouraged or suggested one way or the other. And
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Speaker 1: he just went with every suggestion and every suggestion. Is
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Speaker 1: standing up there at the little iced podium at the
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Speaker 1: Rose ceremony like and saying I slept with both of
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Speaker 1: you and I love all of you, like that was
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Speaker 1: the most produced decision. Yes, he would never and he
19:43
Speaker 1: has so broken down at this point, like he is
19:47
Speaker 1: a shell of himself. You can just see it, like
19:50
Speaker 1: he doesn't know what to do. As he says, I'm
19:54
Speaker 1: so broken. Yes he is. He's so broken and so
19:58
Speaker 1: he like and he doesn't on d sand production and
20:01
Speaker 1: he doesn't you know, you're right, he just doesn't have
20:04
Speaker 1: the experience. I said to the producers at one point
20:08
Speaker 1: at the end of my season, just tell me what
20:10
Speaker 1: you want me to do. I'm so broken, I'm so tired,
20:13
Speaker 1: I'm so done. I just want to go home. Like
20:17
Speaker 1: what do you need me to do I'll do it,
20:18
Speaker 1: So he's probably you know, I just feel so bad because,
20:23
Speaker 1: like you could tell on these podcast interviews and he's
20:27
Speaker 1: not okay right now, He's just not okay. Well you
20:31
Speaker 1: know you you've been really open about your mental health struggles,
20:34
Speaker 1: and so that probably brings a whole other component of
20:36
Speaker 1: empathy when you're watching him. I don't want to make
20:39
Speaker 1: excuses for him, like, um, because I agree like some
20:43
Speaker 1: of his behavior I do not agree with, so I
20:46
Speaker 1: don't want to make excuses. But at the same time,
20:48
Speaker 1: I'm like, he is not okay, So I want to
20:51
Speaker 1: give him like empathy and compassion for not being okay.
20:56
Speaker 1: Right I know, because when he showed up to do
20:59
Speaker 1: our interview lastly, he was in the dumps and I
21:02
Speaker 1: felt bad. Yeah, okay, uh, let's talk about Gabby. Because
21:08
Speaker 1: Gabby like had some good hero moments. She was not
21:13
Speaker 1: going to give into like her feelings of love because
21:18
Speaker 1: of his behavior. And I think we all, I feel
21:24
Speaker 1: like we all wanted her to just walk away, right
21:28
Speaker 1: every I think everyone was gonna be like like rooting
21:34
Speaker 1: for Gabby and she walked away, and then like we're
21:37
Speaker 1: all rooted for you, and yeah, and then she came back.
21:41
Speaker 1: I was surprised that she came back. Uh. We were
21:45
Speaker 1: at we were doing in a watch party at the
21:47
Speaker 1: coffee shop and bar Roder's yesterday and everybody started clapping
21:51
Speaker 1: when she said, I will not accept your rose, and
21:53
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, is this the first time somebody
21:55
Speaker 1: hasn't accepted Oh, I can't think, I can't think. I
22:01
Speaker 1: can't think of one. Um. Yeah, that was like she's
22:06
Speaker 1: she she handled tough situations like a chap. Like I'm
22:12
Speaker 1: so jealous of how like articulate she was, and she
22:14
Speaker 1: was able to explain her feelings so well. Uh me too.
22:19
Speaker 1: I was like I sometimes I well, I think I'm
22:22
Speaker 1: getting better that every year and with every therapy session
22:25
Speaker 1: I have, but I still wouldn't have handled that the
22:28
Speaker 1: way she did. And I was like, I don't know her,
22:30
Speaker 1: and I'm so proud of her. Yeah, I agree, I agree.
22:34
Speaker 1: And then the other side, Rachel just seems so hopelessly devoted. Okay,
22:40
Speaker 1: she's so in love with him that I'm just like,
22:43
Speaker 1: can you please marry this girl? She's just gonna love
22:47
Speaker 1: you forever? And she just she just yeah with without
22:51
Speaker 1: like it's unconditional seeming. Yeah, she really likes since the
22:57
Speaker 1: get go. I think she really believe that this was
23:00
Speaker 1: her person, and then he felt the same way. And
23:04
Speaker 1: so now this is all just like coming crashing down
23:07
Speaker 1: in like one episode of her being like, I'm not
23:10
Speaker 1: his love, like I'm not, and she's trying to process
23:13
Speaker 1: it in real time, and she also is handling it
23:16
Speaker 1: so well, but like maybe more of the way I
23:19
Speaker 1: would handle it. But she's just the poor thing, did
23:22
Speaker 1: not see any of this coming, and she's just like, Wow,
23:26
Speaker 1: this is my person, and now I don't know if
23:27
Speaker 1: I'm his. I definitely related to Rachel Moore in this moment.
23:32
Speaker 1: While I respected and like wanted to be Gabby, I
23:36
Speaker 1: knew that I was right. I was like that moment,
23:42
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, oh God, I hate him, but
23:45
Speaker 1: I love him so much that I will forgive anything
23:48
Speaker 1: he does just to be with him. Let's talk about
23:52
Speaker 1: the girls meeting the families after this break, all right.
24:07
Speaker 1: I think we can all agree that the Clayton's dad
24:11
Speaker 1: is awesome and we wish that we could see more
24:13
Speaker 1: of him, and that we wish that Clayton was had
24:16
Speaker 1: like the brain of his dad, like his his like
24:19
Speaker 1: matured brain, his dad is so logical and Clayton is
24:25
Speaker 1: so emotional. I'm like that Clayton's dad is like he
24:29
Speaker 1: was just like, yeah, of course they're upset. Yeah. No,
24:32
Speaker 1: Like it's so like obvious to like a you know,
24:35
Speaker 1: especially like a father figure. That's what I mean. It
24:39
Speaker 1: was like the ultimate like twenty something versus dad. Like
24:43
Speaker 1: his dad is the ultimate dad, Like my dad would
24:46
Speaker 1: have talked to me the exact same way. But he
24:48
Speaker 1: also had a warmth about him. While he was like
24:50
Speaker 1: being real he was, he was just like he felt
24:54
Speaker 1: warm and like I was like, this man, we needed
24:57
Speaker 1: more of him. Yeah yeah. Instead, I actually ran into
25:01
Speaker 1: him in the elevator UM after UM filming the last night,
25:06
Speaker 1: I was like Clayton's dad and then I was like you,
25:10
Speaker 1: well his mom was there too, and I said, I
25:12
Speaker 1: know this is probably so hard on you know, the
25:15
Speaker 1: family doesn't sign up for this, and it's so hard
25:17
Speaker 1: on you guys. And I said, but you, but everybody
25:21
Speaker 1: loves you. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay, so Gabby comes first.
25:28
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything like super monumental about either
25:32
Speaker 1: of these meetings. Is there anything that stood out to you?
25:35
Speaker 1: It just seemed like they like the families like both girls.
25:38
Speaker 1: But it wasn't like a lot of other family meeting
25:41
Speaker 1: times that we've seen where the family was super into
25:46
Speaker 1: one person or like had a strong opinion. They're just
25:49
Speaker 1: like I felt like it was very interesting the fact
25:53
Speaker 1: that they just like blossed over that he almost ruined
25:55
Speaker 1: both of their lives and now they're meeting their families,
25:57
Speaker 1: Like it was just like they just showed up and
25:59
Speaker 1: there like, hey, like remember the other night that was crazy? Huh?
26:03
Speaker 1: And they like kissed and like when I met their
26:05
Speaker 1: families and it was like nice and pleasant, and I
26:09
Speaker 1: was like, what is happening? Yeah? And the did they
26:14
Speaker 1: even ask did they the Susie thing? How much should
26:19
Speaker 1: they talk about Susie upfront? Now I'm like just not
26:23
Speaker 1: remembering did you make a big deal out of Suzie?
26:26
Speaker 1: Like he was like in Susie's gone, um, And now
26:29
Speaker 1: I'm moving on to these two. I guess like what
26:33
Speaker 1: would have been interesting to see is the family question, like,
26:37
Speaker 1: all right, well are either of these girls like a
26:40
Speaker 1: consolation prize? They yeah, they did, they did say that. Okay,
26:46
Speaker 1: they did say that, yeah yeah, And he was like no.
26:49
Speaker 1: But then he like to me, what would have really
26:52
Speaker 1: hurt was watching this episode back and feeling like he
26:55
Speaker 1: was like, I love you too, Gabby, I love you too, Rachel.
26:58
Speaker 1: I'm in love with these But then Susie a once
27:01
Speaker 1: in a lifetime woman. I'm like, well, that's exactly when
27:05
Speaker 1: he started saying all this at the end of both
27:08
Speaker 1: family meetings, it was just like, okay, well, now like
27:10
Speaker 1: he he has to dump these other two girls, like
27:13
Speaker 1: he has to because it just yes, like you cannot
27:17
Speaker 1: do this. That would be like it would be very
27:19
Speaker 1: Peter Weber esque, like I know that. Peter was definitely
27:23
Speaker 1: not as obvious. He didn't say such strong language, but
27:26
Speaker 1: like all of us viewers were like, Okay, Maddie is
27:29
Speaker 1: definitely the front runner. And when Maddie left, it was like, oh, really, Hannah,
27:33
Speaker 1: and you gotta break up with her. And then he
27:35
Speaker 1: ended up proposing, and we're like, what in the world
27:37
Speaker 1: He literally told the other girl she was number one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Um.
27:45
Speaker 1: We missed a huge chunk of conversation from the previous
27:50
Speaker 1: section of the episode, the I Love You Most, when
27:53
Speaker 1: Gabby was like, I don't want to be like loved
27:56
Speaker 1: the most or like I need to be like the
27:59
Speaker 1: only one that is loved and accepted. What do you
28:02
Speaker 1: think about that term? It's interesting because when you put
28:06
Speaker 1: like love the most, it just sounds wrong, Like there's
28:09
Speaker 1: something about it just sounds wrong. It's it's like calling
28:12
Speaker 1: whoever he picks the winner. It's like the winner. Right.
28:15
Speaker 1: It's now like if you were to replace the word
28:18
Speaker 1: love with like the one that I like the most,
28:20
Speaker 1: the one on the most compatible with it sounds so
28:23
Speaker 1: much different, so much different. Yeah, yeah, I was just
28:29
Speaker 1: on Gabby side for that one because the same. But
28:31
Speaker 1: I also can articulate why it's so wrong. But it
28:36
Speaker 1: is either I totally agree with you. I'm like, he
28:40
Speaker 1: could have put it so differently. I guess it's like choosing.
28:43
Speaker 1: It's like a child. It's like you don't like tell
28:46
Speaker 1: a kid like I love you you just like if
28:50
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't even know. See, I'm trying to
28:52
Speaker 1: come up with the comparison and it's just not working.
28:54
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna leave it as it just doesn't.
28:56
Speaker 1: It's just not right. It's just not right. It's just
28:59
Speaker 1: not right. I mean, but what it's such a gray
29:02
Speaker 1: area in the bachelor world of books, right and wrong. Well,
29:04
Speaker 1: it's like in the Bachelor world, we say falling in
29:07
Speaker 1: love versus being in love, and like, how many times
29:10
Speaker 1: does that actually happen in the real world? Like how
29:12
Speaker 1: many times is there like a phase where you're like, oh,
29:14
Speaker 1: what's like date? I really like you, and then it
29:16
Speaker 1: becomes there's no, there's no real life couple. That's where
29:20
Speaker 1: the guys like, I'm falling in love with you, and
29:22
Speaker 1: then a month later he goes, Okay, I've decided now
29:25
Speaker 1: I am in love with you. That's why I think
29:28
Speaker 1: that's why the viewers are so hard on the leads
29:32
Speaker 1: and the bachelor of The Bachelor and all these people,
29:33
Speaker 1: because they expect it to be like their dating world
29:36
Speaker 1: and they're watching it because it's so relatable, but but
29:40
Speaker 1: it's so like not right at the same time, and
29:43
Speaker 1: they it's like it's such a confusing thing to watch
29:47
Speaker 1: without getting angry. Well, I think that's why Clayton was
29:49
Speaker 1: so upset last week at the backlash. He was like,
29:52
Speaker 1: I was dating as the bachelor in a bachelor world,
29:56
Speaker 1: with which I thought was totally different in the real world.
30:00
Speaker 1: But maybe it isn't as different in the real world
30:02
Speaker 1: because everybody has these problems. But I was told in
30:05
Speaker 1: the Bachelor World it's okay to do this because they're
30:07
Speaker 1: giving me three overnight date keys whatever. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,
30:13
Speaker 1: I don't know. I really wish all the Bachelor and
30:16
Speaker 1: bachelorttes would come forward and be like, Okay, it's love
30:18
Speaker 1: with this many people in the fantasy suite. And I said,
30:20
Speaker 1: I love you, but off camera to this, but like
30:23
Speaker 1: he's so Clayton is so exposed right now. Yeah. He
30:28
Speaker 1: also like he just doesn't have like a connection like
30:31
Speaker 1: relationships necessarily with like past, where like I feel like
30:36
Speaker 1: a lot of Bachelor's they just kind of like they
30:40
Speaker 1: emerge with the support system from the franchise. And Ben
30:43
Speaker 1: talked to me about this. He was like, yo, dude,
30:44
Speaker 1: I wanted to help guide you by like, but you
30:49
Speaker 1: didn't take it, and this is what happened got And
30:54
Speaker 1: I think that's why it was so cool to have
30:57
Speaker 1: myself and taste to there for bachelorettes, because I feel
31:00
Speaker 1: like we really were able to mentor like these women
31:05
Speaker 1: and not just be a host role. We were really
31:08
Speaker 1: able to help in these situations, which I think we
31:12
Speaker 1: clearly needs. Well. I mean, you could argue that Jesse
31:15
Speaker 1: was supposed to be that but I do think that
31:18
Speaker 1: Jesse took on a traditional host role, not a mentor role,
31:21
Speaker 1: and you guys even had that label of mentor or guide,
31:25
Speaker 1: and I think we should men. They didn't want to
31:27
Speaker 1: pay us because they didn't want to pay us for
31:29
Speaker 1: a host role. But did they do that with Michelle season?
31:32
Speaker 1: Did you pay you host role? Oh? I thought you
31:35
Speaker 1: guys got to change title the second season. No, we
31:39
Speaker 1: were still special guests in in the credits. Oh goodness. Okay, Well,
31:48
Speaker 1: I have to say that I think that Chris Harrison
31:50
Speaker 1: was very miss last night, especially, you know. Yeah, I agree.
31:55
Speaker 1: It's love Jesse. He's great. He's so nice, it's so
31:59
Speaker 1: fun to talk to, and I think he's done a
32:01
Speaker 1: great job in host ral. I do think that last
32:04
Speaker 1: night he was like, dude, I don't know what the
32:08
Speaker 1: did I tell you? Yeah? I agree, I think um,
32:13
Speaker 1: First of all, Jesse was Canadian and I love him,
32:15
Speaker 1: and he's literally one of the nicest. Seriously, every time
32:19
Speaker 1: he's on here, it's just so fun. I like smile
32:22
Speaker 1: the entire time we're talking. Yeah, he's so great. It's
32:25
Speaker 1: just Chris Harriston was able to navigate any situation with
32:33
Speaker 1: like advice and um, I don't I don't know. I
32:38
Speaker 1: don't even know. I just think it. Like Jesse was
32:44
Speaker 1: more like umm, almost like like how insane it was. Yeah,
32:53
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, I'm a viewer along for this crazy
32:55
Speaker 1: ride of yours. I cannot tell you what to do
32:59
Speaker 1: because you're far too far in dude. Okay, So then
33:05
Speaker 1: let's just get to the conversation that he has with
33:07
Speaker 1: his family about Susie. Like you already kind of brushed
33:10
Speaker 1: on it. But he has this realization after both of
33:15
Speaker 1: these dates family dates, that Susie's the one, and he
33:22
Speaker 1: he just wants to go and pursue that, even if
33:24
Speaker 1: it kind of screws up everything else. And I respect this,
33:28
Speaker 1: Like I'm really into this because, like he says, he
33:33
Speaker 1: wants to do this, and he wants to risk losing
33:35
Speaker 1: the other girls because he can't possibly think of a
33:40
Speaker 1: future in which he's constantly questioning what if what if
33:44
Speaker 1: I went after Susie? And that's great that I love
33:48
Speaker 1: that decision. What I don't like well that these women
33:53
Speaker 1: probably had to go through all of it. Oh that's
33:55
Speaker 1: where thank you. That's that's the supporting him and being
33:59
Speaker 1: there for him during these realizations but like it's to
34:04
Speaker 1: me like, that's gosh, it's so hard because the fantasy
34:08
Speaker 1: sweets are there for my person. From my personal experience,
34:13
Speaker 1: the fantasy sweets was to literally like sex is an
34:16
Speaker 1: important thing to me in a relationship and into the
34:19
Speaker 1: see and how you know how you feel with that
34:23
Speaker 1: person in those moments, and and to me, it's like,
34:26
Speaker 1: you take all these relationships as far as you possibly
34:29
Speaker 1: can to feel so confident in your decision at the end,
34:33
Speaker 1: and that is a terrible like I always say, this
34:36
Speaker 1: is a terrible foundation to start a relationship on, but
34:39
Speaker 1: that is what the show is and things are there
34:42
Speaker 1: to do. Meeting the families is part of that. You
34:44
Speaker 1: take it that far and you introduce to your families
34:48
Speaker 1: to feel that and be like, wait, I've realized in
34:53
Speaker 1: this moment that Susie is the person that I want
34:56
Speaker 1: to be with because I'm still thinking about her and
34:58
Speaker 1: want to be here with my family. Thank you for
35:01
Speaker 1: leading my thought in that direction because that's exactly where
35:03
Speaker 1: I wanted to go when because I knew when Okay,
35:10
Speaker 1: so Ben and Nick both saw the episode before me,
35:13
Speaker 1: and they both previewed well, at least Ben did to
35:16
Speaker 1: me that like he was not going like Clayton was
35:19
Speaker 1: gonna look even worse. And when I was watching him
35:23
Speaker 1: make this decision that he was going to go after
35:25
Speaker 1: Susie after the families, I was like, is this the moment?
35:29
Speaker 1: Is this what people are going to be annoyed at?
35:32
Speaker 1: I'm like I can see that because you know, like, yeah,
35:37
Speaker 1: he strung him along, he begged them to say and
35:39
Speaker 1: then just decided he didn't want me with either one
35:42
Speaker 1: of them, right, right? Is I think that it was
35:47
Speaker 1: There's no other way of doing it like that would
35:50
Speaker 1: have helped me. I think. I think what people need
35:53
Speaker 1: to think about if they are judging him for that,
35:56
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, it's going to hurt these girls even
35:59
Speaker 1: worse because they were dragged on for a couple other
36:01
Speaker 1: days and they met the family. But put yourself in
36:05
Speaker 1: that position, like you really might need that one extra day,
36:09
Speaker 1: You might need to see that girl with your family
36:12
Speaker 1: to really know. And that's how we found out. And
36:15
Speaker 1: that's in my opinion, Okay, yeah, it just sets because
36:21
Speaker 1: we love these two women so much and they've been
36:23
Speaker 1: through so much at this point that you're like, please
36:24
Speaker 1: don't put them through anything else. But at the end
36:27
Speaker 1: of the day. This is part of the show. This
36:30
Speaker 1: is part of the format. You do need to see
36:34
Speaker 1: them with your family. You do need to have those
36:35
Speaker 1: overnight moments. You do need to have these like take
36:38
Speaker 1: it as far as you can go times to really
36:41
Speaker 1: have clarity on what actually you want. Yeah, and guys,
36:45
Speaker 1: just think about it. That is like a normal season.
36:48
Speaker 1: Like these people look at the runner up. They get
36:51
Speaker 1: taken all the way to the altar, really in the altar,
36:55
Speaker 1: and they get broken up with But you don't get
36:57
Speaker 1: mad about it because that's the way it goes. That's
37:01
Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, that's exactly right, and it's it just
37:04
Speaker 1: sucks because I think we're rooting so hard for these
37:06
Speaker 1: women at the at this point that that's why everyone's
37:09
Speaker 1: so mad. But really, this is this is normal for
37:12
Speaker 1: the show. But probably another thing, going back to Blake's comment,
37:16
Speaker 1: if if we knew him better going into this and
37:20
Speaker 1: we were really connected to him as a character, we'd
37:23
Speaker 1: be rooting for his happiness. But we know these girls
37:25
Speaker 1: basically just as well as we know him, so we
37:28
Speaker 1: end up rooting for them even more, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
37:32
Speaker 1: just it's so true. Okay, we leave this episode off
37:36
Speaker 1: with Clinton saying that he's going off to get Susie,
37:40
Speaker 1: and well, we know what happens because we've we've seen
37:46
Speaker 1: the screenen nurse, But you guys will find out tonight.
37:50
Speaker 1: And that's all I can say about that. Yeah, yeah,
37:54
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's again another fascinating episode, and I
37:57
Speaker 1: can't wait to watch the after the final rose because
38:01
Speaker 1: like I'm also be like, I'm watching this as a viewer,
38:04
Speaker 1: and I just can't wait to see how he because
38:07
Speaker 1: he's probably learned so much from this and grown in
38:11
Speaker 1: the last few months more than he has in his
38:13
Speaker 1: whole life, and I'm very curious to see how he
38:16
Speaker 1: handles this situation. Yeah, same, same, Yeah, all right, Well
38:21
Speaker 1: that's enough of the episode. After this break, we are
38:24
Speaker 1: going to go into Bachelor headlines, and I'm only going
38:27
Speaker 1: to do ones that pertain to you, Caitlin. I mean,
38:31
Speaker 1: look at you, seven years removed from the show, and
38:34
Speaker 1: most of the headlines pertain to you in one way
38:37
Speaker 1: or another. You're that much of a rock star. Okay,
38:39
Speaker 1: see you guys in a second. Okay, Okay, Caitlin, I'm
38:53
Speaker 1: gonna read the headline. Is he Normally Ben would read
38:57
Speaker 1: the headline and then I would describe, you know, the
39:01
Speaker 1: story today. I'm going to read the headline and then
39:05
Speaker 1: you are going to tell me what it's all about,
39:09
Speaker 1: because it's about your fiance in this case. Okay, ready,
39:13
Speaker 1: Jason Tarctic says that Clayton did not handle himself appropriately
39:17
Speaker 1: with Susie, but everyone makes mistakes. So what's Jason's take
39:21
Speaker 1: on all of this? Been? Oh my gosh, he's so
39:26
Speaker 1: funny because I think he forgets he was also on
39:29
Speaker 1: the show and how hard it was, and like he
39:32
Speaker 1: watches it now as a you. I'm like, can you
39:34
Speaker 1: have a little like more compassion for the situation? And um,
39:38
Speaker 1: so he he was really, I mean he felt the
39:41
Speaker 1: same way as I did. He's like, you're not gonna
39:42
Speaker 1: He's like, you're not gonna like the way he talks
39:44
Speaker 1: to Susie. And I was like, oh, that's so fair. Um,
39:48
Speaker 1: but he's already been dragged on the internet. So let's like,
39:53
Speaker 1: let's of course stand up for Susie, and you know,
39:57
Speaker 1: let's say that that's not right of him just week
40:00
Speaker 1: that way, but let's not you know, feed into the
40:03
Speaker 1: hate online for him anymore than an ardience. Do you
40:06
Speaker 1: think that both of our guys have a certain perspective
40:09
Speaker 1: on the show that's a little bit different than us
40:11
Speaker 1: because we were you know, we weren't always perfect and
40:16
Speaker 1: the two of them, Jason and Jared always perfect. Perfect. Yes,
40:21
Speaker 1: I say that to Jason all the time. I'm like,
40:23
Speaker 1: you literally could not have had an easier time on
40:26
Speaker 1: this show. And like the way that they you know,
40:30
Speaker 1: of course it's not an edit. They portray you the
40:32
Speaker 1: way you are, but like they really just highlighted their
40:37
Speaker 1: perfection or just yes, totally second headline is juicy and
40:47
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get your your description of it.
40:51
Speaker 1: Jason Tartik says that he and Caitlin want kids the
40:55
Speaker 1: second they get married. Are you gonna have a honeymoon
40:57
Speaker 1: baby proba? Way? I hope? So, I mean I can
41:01
Speaker 1: only like, um, like, I can only pray that when
41:06
Speaker 1: I can get pregnant and that it can happen that
41:09
Speaker 1: easily for us, because I know so many women struggle,
41:12
Speaker 1: and so I hope that is the case. Um. Last night,
41:16
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. We were like should we just
41:19
Speaker 1: should we just do this now? Like what really is
41:22
Speaker 1: our wedding going to happen? What? Should we just have
41:24
Speaker 1: a baby? Now was like in November and you said, oh, yeah,
41:30
Speaker 1: definitely two. I don't know if it's going to be
41:33
Speaker 1: two unless you do a lope or something. Yeah, I uh,
41:39
Speaker 1: did we tell you? Um? Actually wait, I'm gonna I'm
41:42
Speaker 1: gonna tell you that off Okay, Okay, Yeah, yeah, I
41:45
Speaker 1: figure I think I might know where that's going. Go ahead, okay, Um,
41:49
Speaker 1: I really want two venues. There's two venues in Nashville
41:53
Speaker 1: that I'm like so set on, and so really it
41:56
Speaker 1: will depend on when they're available for when we get married. Okay, alright,
42:01
Speaker 1: very respectable decision. I am so glad that he chose
42:05
Speaker 1: the venues that we did, and I would have waited
42:07
Speaker 1: for them. Jason also talks about the way that he's
42:12
Speaker 1: going to feel when he sees you in the wedding
42:15
Speaker 1: dress for the first time. He says, what did he say? Okay? Okay,
42:21
Speaker 1: so the quote goes like this, uh well, this is
42:25
Speaker 1: from the Life and Starter style article. Jason explains that
42:29
Speaker 1: the one thing they won't do is have first look photos.
42:33
Speaker 1: No offense to Ben and Jess who did first look photos.
42:36
Speaker 1: I not a fan, don't like them, not traditional enough
42:41
Speaker 1: for me. I like the groom seeing the bride for
42:44
Speaker 1: the first time that day in the dress as the
42:47
Speaker 1: doors open and you see his reaction and he says, um,
42:54
Speaker 1: he he wants the experience of, you know, seeing you
42:57
Speaker 1: walk down the aisle, seeing the dress for the first time.
43:00
Speaker 1: And if it's an inconvenience of a few hours of photos,
43:03
Speaker 1: you know, in between the ceremony and the reception, We're
43:05
Speaker 1: just going to have to deal with that because that's
43:07
Speaker 1: something that no one can take from you. The second
43:10
Speaker 1: that we close that wedding chapter, then it's time to
43:14
Speaker 1: have kids. So I I like that your your decision,
43:17
Speaker 1: your decision on that. I guess that's a joint decision,
43:19
Speaker 1: right about having photos in between, I have I have
43:22
Speaker 1: always dreamt of my dad walking me down the file
43:25
Speaker 1: and my person see me for the first time, like
43:29
Speaker 1: and getting emotional, because that's one of my favorite parts
43:31
Speaker 1: to watch. Yeah, and like Seven Dresses moment you know
43:35
Speaker 1: you have to get the groom at the end of
43:36
Speaker 1: the aisle. Oh, it's so romantic and I just like
43:40
Speaker 1: love that And I totally understand why people do first
43:43
Speaker 1: look and photos like that and stuff, but I, yeah,
43:46
Speaker 1: we don't want to do that. Tip from the wedding
43:50
Speaker 1: pro over here, just the one who has gone through it.
43:54
Speaker 1: Definitely assume that photos are going to take longer than
43:57
Speaker 1: you schedule for them. Did you know that our wedding
44:00
Speaker 1: we had to in the moment by the next year
44:03
Speaker 1: hour at the reception venue because photos took long and
44:06
Speaker 1: we wanted it to last, Yeah, longer. We were all
44:10
Speaker 1: like our delayed. Oh interesting, Oh my gosh, I had
44:13
Speaker 1: the best time at your wedding. I like loved every
44:16
Speaker 1: second of that. That was so everything was perfect, Like
44:18
Speaker 1: that's um, that's something that like we talked about as
44:24
Speaker 1: like what we want our wedding to be like it
44:25
Speaker 1: would be like yours. Well, thank you. That is the
44:28
Speaker 1: nicest compliment and we can't hear it enough. Yeah, all right,
44:35
Speaker 1: So now we have another headline. It's not exactly pertained
44:39
Speaker 1: to people. I want to know if you got to
44:41
Speaker 1: talk to him yesterday about this. So Rodney Matthews hopes
44:45
Speaker 1: to find love on a Bachelor spinoff. Oh so he's
44:49
Speaker 1: actually referring to Bachelor Live on stage because they're doing
44:53
Speaker 1: you know, alumni, They're they're finding love like on the stage.
44:57
Speaker 1: This is like the new way of there are finding
45:00
Speaker 1: random guys in each city Um, the way that it
45:03
Speaker 1: was pre COVID, but now they're taking Bachelor alumni and
45:06
Speaker 1: trying to find love in like a town near them.
45:10
Speaker 1: But I thought he was going to talk about paradise.
45:13
Speaker 1: This is this is I don't, I don't, I don't want,
45:15
Speaker 1: I don't care about who he finds on the stage
45:18
Speaker 1: on Bachelor. UM live, I'm sorry, but you're not going
45:21
Speaker 1: to find love. I mean, we don't want you to
45:24
Speaker 1: find love there because you need to be on Paradise. So, like,
45:28
Speaker 1: do you think he's gonna be on Paradise? Did you
45:30
Speaker 1: talk to him about all about that? Um? We honestly,
45:34
Speaker 1: we were too busy trying to nail a TikTok to
45:36
Speaker 1: talk about anything else. So no, I didn't, But I
45:40
Speaker 1: really want him to be on Paradise. Okay, he's very sweet.
45:43
Speaker 1: Any other behind the scenes scoop that you got from
45:45
Speaker 1: yesterday because you were there with Michelle Nick Claire Rodney,
45:50
Speaker 1: is that it? Yeah? Um? Yeah, I'm trying to think
45:54
Speaker 1: of any scoops that I got. But truly, they kind
45:57
Speaker 1: of kept us separated because of OVID. Um oh I
46:02
Speaker 1: heard that. That's still like they were still pretty strict
46:04
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we all had to get
46:07
Speaker 1: like tested three days before, two days before the day
46:10
Speaker 1: of and like masks, and but then you go in
46:14
Speaker 1: the room and everybody's there with that. It doesn't make
46:16
Speaker 1: any sense. But um, what was like? Oh you know
46:20
Speaker 1: who I met Nick's girlfriend? Who was so she's amazing. Yeah,
46:25
Speaker 1: she's amazing. We love them together. Isn't he just the
46:28
Speaker 1: happiest you've ever seen him? Yes? And just so they're
46:31
Speaker 1: just so great together and supportive and sweet and happy
46:35
Speaker 1: and it's amazing. I know. It's like, Okay, Nick, let's
46:38
Speaker 1: just let's just get a ring on it. Yeah, lock
46:40
Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, did you get anything from Claire? Because
46:45
Speaker 1: Nick posted something about Claire being single, and the last
46:48
Speaker 1: time we had a headline about Claire, um, it was
46:50
Speaker 1: about her maybe hanging out with another guy from our season.
46:53
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Okay, from what I gathered, I definitely think
46:58
Speaker 1: she's single. I don't want to speak for her, but
47:00
Speaker 1: that's what I gathered and like ready to mingle. So
47:04
Speaker 1: all right. Not to wrap this up on a sad note,
47:08
Speaker 1: but I have to. Um. The other bachelor headline we
47:11
Speaker 1: have is that that clint our our List's death was
47:16
Speaker 1: revealed as a suicide this week, and um, you know,
47:21
Speaker 1: he died on January eleven, and it's just so sad,
47:26
Speaker 1: you know, it's just like there's I don't have any
47:28
Speaker 1: words for it. I mean, Caitlin obviously, you know, had
47:31
Speaker 1: him on our season and I met him a couple
47:33
Speaker 1: of times, and it's just so incredibly sad. It's I
47:38
Speaker 1: reached out to his sister just to be like, I've
47:40
Speaker 1: never met her, I don't know that, but I just
47:42
Speaker 1: wanted to be like, I am so sorry, Like I
47:47
Speaker 1: cannot imagine going through that, like with a family member. Um,
47:52
Speaker 1: depression is so real. I wish that, you know. I
47:57
Speaker 1: wish everybody had the proper resources and and things if
48:00
Speaker 1: they're going through something to get help like they do,
48:03
Speaker 1: but like I wish people really used those resources to
48:07
Speaker 1: help them because I understand depression and mental health problems
48:11
Speaker 1: and it's just so tragic and I just I have
48:16
Speaker 1: no words because I'm like, I just can't believe it.
48:18
Speaker 1: I can't believe it when I when I saw the news,
48:20
Speaker 1: when I heard about it, when I read about I
48:22
Speaker 1: was just sick to my stomach because even though obviously
48:26
Speaker 1: things didn't end great between us, I truly heard really
48:30
Speaker 1: great things about him from everybody else, like the way
48:33
Speaker 1: his friends spoke about him, his family, his people in
48:36
Speaker 1: the wrestling world, the way for him, Like they all
48:41
Speaker 1: spoke super highly up him. And so I'm it's absolutely tragic. Yeah,
48:49
Speaker 1: I wish that there was something than that to say.
48:52
Speaker 1: But exactly what you said, you know, just like seek help.
48:57
Speaker 1: Don't be afraid to talk about what you're going through, you, Yes,
49:01
Speaker 1: and like there's hotlines you can call and like when
49:05
Speaker 1: you're in that moment, Like I just I don't know.
49:08
Speaker 1: It's so I can't ever like put myself in that
49:10
Speaker 1: position to like know what that dark of the time
49:13
Speaker 1: would feel like. But it must be so scary to
49:16
Speaker 1: reach out for help. But like those those resources are
49:20
Speaker 1: there for a reason because there are people out there
49:22
Speaker 1: who can help you. Yes, all right, Well until tomorrow, guys,
49:28
Speaker 1: then we were going to be here breaking down the
49:31
Speaker 1: finale with Serene. Have you met Serena yet? Um? Yeah
49:37
Speaker 1: I did. She was on the date that I hosted
49:39
Speaker 1: on Clayton season and she is lovely. Okay, Well, can't wait.
49:44
Speaker 1: I'm sure she's going to have a whole bunch of
49:46
Speaker 1: insider knowledge on all of these girls. Feelings because I'm
49:49
Speaker 1: sure she's good friends with the top three being that
49:51
Speaker 1: she was, you know, top four. All right, Caitlin, you
49:55
Speaker 1: are the best man, Mike crutch word really is all
49:58
Speaker 1: right when Ben's not here, alright, alright, alright, have one,
50:02
Speaker 1: I have one. Two. I always have like if I
50:04
Speaker 1: can't even listen back to my own podcast because I'm like, oh,
50:07
Speaker 1: shut up, Caitlin, stop saying the same every time. What's
50:10
Speaker 1: your word? What do you keep saying? Trying to I'm
50:12
Speaker 1: trying to think, I feel like I always say, Um,
50:18
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm gonna have to get back to
50:19
Speaker 1: you on that one, because there's I'll be in the moment,
50:22
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna podcast later with Katie Thurston actually and
50:26
Speaker 1: I'll figure out what my work is still happen. Okay.
50:32
Speaker 1: That makes me think about just just all the people
50:35
Speaker 1: complaining about Clayton and Susie saying like like like and
50:40
Speaker 1: you know that they say like more in the context
50:44
Speaker 1: of the show because they're trying to think about the
50:47
Speaker 1: most careful word. That's the most careful wording, and they're
50:51
Speaker 1: describing emotions is already awkward. So when you put the
50:54
Speaker 1: two together, you don't want to get in trouble on TV.
50:57
Speaker 1: You don't want somebody to hate you. You're trying trying
51:00
Speaker 1: to describe your feelings. You just say like a lot
51:02
Speaker 1: and you're nervous, just like that's just what you do.
51:05
Speaker 1: It's fine. Don't make fun of him for it. I
51:08
Speaker 1: love you, Caitlin, thanks for being here. I've been Ashley,
51:12
Speaker 1: and you've been. You've been okay. Thanks bye. Follow the
51:19
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51:22
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