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Discovering Bitcoin with Rustin · Discovering Bitcoin

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You know, it's funny. Bitcoin teaches you a strange
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Yeah, I see the world through an entirely different lens.
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It doesn't just give you confidence, but it gives you
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hope. Think like we're squandering our
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energy, our life force. So Bitcoin is changing that.
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For me, Bitcoin is like it's healing energy.
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It gives you a kind of of a Zen feeling, right?
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Well, rabble hole goes deep and deep and deep and the.
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Immortal words of the doors. The time to hesitate us through.
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Discover. Ruston, what's going on, man?
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DJ How we doing brother? How we doing?
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I had Harvey Burr on a couple of episodes ago, and it's just such
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a trip to hear the voice on the other end of a familiar voice,
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you know, on the other end of the mic.
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That is, is it? It's kind of almost a part of
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your daily ritual in, in in so many respects.
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I mean, you, you do the, the Bitcoin news show on your head
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of news, it's simply Bitcoin and you do this, this sort of 15
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minute news show, Daily News show, hyper bullish.
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I actually don't know how you do it every single day and maintain
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that level of energy. It's it's nuts, man.
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Well, I got to tell you, in clown world, it's kind of hard
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not to be bullish. Almost every single thing that
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comes out and it's wild now, right?
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We have the craziest bud ever. Epstein is Satoshi.
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Yeah, we had to put up with that.
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I remember when that came out, I was like, you gotta be fucking
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kidding me right now. We are in Goblin Town and then
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you drop. Now we got to fight this bud
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too. And then the normies.
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It's a hassle, but it is so exciting to like what you said
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there. To be a familiar voice to
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someone is completely wild and insane for for me to be that for
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you. Because never would have thought
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this would have taken shape and become what it is.
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But yeah. Yeah.
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To to be in the trenches fighting the FUD, delivering the
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news and head of news. It's kind of like funny, it's
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kind of a gag because my original title got struck down.
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Apparently it's frowned upon, has a bad connotation, but at
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least it was honest because like you said, we're hyper bullish.
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My original title was chief propagandist.
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You know, we always have a bullish Bitcoin twist, but
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corporate shot it down South Adam News is going to have to
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do. Well, you got to take what you
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can get right. I mean, Nico does like to toe
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the line as I I as off fair as as as I'm sure he's as bullishly
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regarded as as the lolly, you know yeah, he's yes, you know,
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he's got to do the do right now. I got to get I got to clear
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something up. It's it's just just dawned on me
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just then. So after arguably years of
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watching simply Bitcoin and hearing you speak, I'm like,
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where the fuck have I heard? I, I, I, I know there's got a,
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you know, there's I'm not I'm not saying that you're putting
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on an act like with the voice, but there's a tinge of Penguins
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of Madagascar in there. The the, the lead, the lead
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dude, you know, there's there's a line in the film because
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they've got their spin off movie from the movie Madagascar.
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And he's like, I find reasoning tedious and boring.
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We'll use force. Yes, absolutely.
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That's man, that that gets at the heart of what we were
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talking about a minute ago. It's like kind of how my show is
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is it's a little unhinged and things like that.
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And it's I, I find other things very boring.
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I listen to metal and like hardcore punk because love
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stories and everything. Sunshine and Roses is just
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fiction and it bores me. Something more honest and real.
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Even though there is the, you know, I try to have fun and
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joke. There is truth and there's a lot
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of little Nuggets sometimes we tuck in there to to fight the
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powers that be, but to be on the front lines in this thing with
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everybody and to just be in this moment is absolutely insane.
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I'm not think you were talking about how we came how we came to
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Bitcoin. And it's kind of like I just had
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to look at it because from 2008, I was finishing high school as
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Ron Paul campaign and the in the Fed and this stuff started and
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this is just coming out of the O 8 financial crisis.
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It was unfolding at that time and I was just very curious
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about this stuff. Got into Ron Paul, read in the
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Fed, got into Hayek and Macy's and those things.
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I was already a 80 year old boomer gold bug at like 19 and,
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and as far as my ethos and understanding Fiat money.
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So it wasn't until 20/20 though that I finally bought Bitcoin.
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First heard about it in 2013, thought it was just native to
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Silk Road, Didn't make the distinguishment that it was an
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independent, you know, they were using, you know, these types of
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things. So then when I looked again and
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it was March 2020, it was after it crashed, but it crashed to
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like 3000 at that time, which was like 100 X what it was in
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2013. It might have been like 300 or
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something around that time. Yeah, I that was one of the.
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Is it the funniest day, coolest days?
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I don't know. It was pretty epic.
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I mean, Bitcoin Twitter was cool that day, shall we say.
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It was just knowing kind of what happened in O 8 and then knowing
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helicopter money is coming. And then you just spend a little
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time with Bitcoin and you understand its mathematical
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superiority to gold. And then also the ability to
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transfer that in 10 minutes anywhere on the planet.
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Like immediately it hit me like gold should be, if you took Jim
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Rickard's modern gold theory with international trade and
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energy and different things like that, you just plug in Bitcoin
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there, it all makes sense. And then say you mix in layered
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money, Nick Bhatia and those things.
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Then you can see where these stable coins and the kind of the
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Fiat side of that, the inflationary units paired with a
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deflationary store value unit, something that can be
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manipulated and silence versus something that you can never be
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censored. You see these two dueling
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narratives and worlds playing out and as time goes forward and
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on, you just keep getting pointed further and further
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toward Bitcoin, not only as an investment, but it's like a
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necessity in a world gone mad. That's that's kind of how it
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feels. A necessity in a world gone mad.
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It sounds so insane because it is effectively magic Internet
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money created by some anonymous dude that we don't know who it
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is. I mean, yeah, we can go check
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the code and and do all of those things, but ultimately this is a
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better idea than whatever the fuck's going on out there.
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Like this is kind of where we're at.
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It's that's clown world turned up to unfathomable volumes, you
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know? Absolutely.
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That's how you get promoted in clown world.
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I think that's what we've all learned in the recent weeks of
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how you get into different clubs.
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Things of that nature is to be the most vile, evil, disgusting,
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just scum of the earth. And you know, there's all that,
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that the Fiat, the connections there with materialism.
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It seems there is also this movement against materialism and
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towards sound. And that's also that comes from
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over time, your character is going to change based on the
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money you use. In a way, you you see this
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inflationary money, it leads to a change in social behavior
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amongst people. It makes them desperate.
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That's why you have the casino gulag.
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That's why you have only fans. That's why you have, you know,
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the big pharma and what they do. That's why you have to have
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glyphosate. It's built, not not built to
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last. It's just built for now.
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Whereas Bitcoin is built to last like 1000 years if nothing crazy
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happens. Well, it'll probably last longer
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than humans if if that's the case and the the cyborgs do take
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control as some some speculate. Yeah, we are.
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We are in interesting times, the perfect time for the Bitcoin
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standard to take hold and. I guess it's just.
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Oh, go ahead, go ahead. I was.
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Just going to say, I guess the thing that I mean, you're right
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about that those environmental, I guess almost like epigenetic
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type factors that that come into a civilization, a society from
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that, that that stem from, you know, the money and it will
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favour a certain more if the money is degenerate, it will
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favour more degenerate things as outcomes.
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And so the thing that I think is, is difficult for me to wrap
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my head around. And, you know, Jeff Booth does
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his best to be like, listen, you got to just opt out and just
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direct your energy elsewhere. But when you go directing your
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energy elsewhere, and then you just met with a wall of
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ignorance effectively, you know, you're like, I hear you
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complaining about all of the the the fucked up things that's
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going on in the world. But trust me, voting harder is
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not going to solve this. You have been around the block a
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few times. Surely you have recognized this,
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realized this by now. I have an idea.
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Can I show you something? It might take a little bit of
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time to get your head around. You got to read a couple of
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books maybe. Hell, you could probably get Guy
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Swan to read half of it for you. But my point is that it is there
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that there is a solution for you to, for you to you to turn your
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attention to and, and look into and, and you can get less
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degenerate outcomes, infinitely less degenerate outcomes.
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If you were to just direct some of your time and energy and
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attention to understanding this thing, which I guess is kind of
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what you're doing in your own, in your own way with the news
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show, is to try and deliver the orange pill in a way that might
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resonate with someone who thinks it's in and that nerd money for
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nerds, basically. Absolutely trying to connect
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with with like minded individuals, people like me that
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may be libertarians or came, you know, in that libertarian 08, a
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lot of people may have learned, even Siphedine said that he
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learned some Austrian economics from the likes of Peter Schiff
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and those guys. But you learn in studying the
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the the superiority the Bitcoin presents, but you also know the
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value thesis of bit of gold and why why it's doing what it's
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doing in times like this and Bitcoin always ends up running
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harder. And in times when 10s of
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trillions are being added to gold and silver Bitcoins, time
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will be coming soon and Peter Schiff will be humbled
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eventually. He's got his victory lap now
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though, the God bless him. You know, he's, he's certainly
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living it up, which is cool. Good to see.
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Yeah, he's got to enjoy his moment in the sun.
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He earned it. It took him 40.
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Oops. At our disposal and it's like a
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lot of people say, do you have more time or money if you if you
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don't have as much time and you've been holding gold your
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whole life, you know they they've got that whereas the the
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younger, the younger actors, millennials, zoomers, do you
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have a a superior savings tool that can make up for everything
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that was taken from you during stolen from you during your life
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thus far. There's one way to get it back
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that makes sense and it's it's easy and in a sense is the DC
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and not easy because right now you're seeing how people get
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lucky when Bitcoin falls 50% from its peak, but you doubled,
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you doubled down. You see what Michael Saylor is
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doing, making big buys down here.
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And on the flip side, it's just going to benefit everyone that
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much more when it comes around. Just like we're in a volatile
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world. Bitcoin is a scarce asset.
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It's going to move faster. It's going to move harder.
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Yeah, man. Dropped out a little bit there,
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but I've got most of the gist of of what you were saying, and I'm
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totally right there with you. I mean, Alberto, who's been
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around the block a few times, you know?
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Oh yeah. Posted Love that.
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Handle he's he's one of the OG like you know Bitcoin Twitter
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folk that when I came in was like OK, this guy's making
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sense. I don't know who this Alberto is
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but he's he's saying things that that vibrate with me.
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But he made a post the other day basically just giving A roll
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call of of of Bitcoin obituaries and it was like 2013 Bitcoin is
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dead at 13 bucks, 2018 Bitcoin's dead at 3 thousand, 2022 Bitcoin
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is dead at 100 at 16,000, and then 2026 Bitcoin is dead at
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64,000 like. Bitcoin obituaries keep getting
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more expensive. Yeah, it's like, God, just look
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at the look at that data and, and try and make up your mind.
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You know, it's it's just a crazy, crazy dichotomy.
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And and there are, you know, it's hard not to feel like
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you're in a bubble, you know, like a little echo chamber.
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Although you best Bitcoin buddies and your Bitcoin content
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and you know your your, your Bitcoin trinkets and and
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everyone outside of that's just like, what the fuck are you
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talking about, man? Yeah, you're the creepy kid in
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the attic at Thanksgiving. We're like, come down, dinner's
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ready, you know, come show them your coin.
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Collection. Like fuck you buddy.
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No, it's just we are in the information arbitrage right now
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and it's so crazy. Like you'd think it would be,
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especially it would be a wider race to adopt amongst people
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after this inflation that we had since 2020 and things are still
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up 50, thirty, 20% in different goods and housing and inflation
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in different energy costs are insane.
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Yet people still, and that is like, I see Bitcoin's price is a
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notifier of the knowledge of the public that the Fed is just
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fucking them, you know. So when Bitcoin's price runs,
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we, we're, it's like a little bit of an awakening took place
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and more and more coming on board.
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But yeah, there's also the aspect of the benefit, the
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weaponization of a sense of a country or major institution
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could use Bitcoin in a sense as with aggressive accumulation
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according that wealth. But it could it, by allowing the
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state a mechanism 40 years down the road to in those debts, does
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it prolong the agony of the state that we're dwelling in
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now? Is it or will it force
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compliance in a sound money standard?
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It's just going to be interesting to see how it plays
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out. Yeah, it's definitely.
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And I mean, you're at the front lines in the narrative trench
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warfare, as we say, of all of this.
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You know, so you you were talking before how you were
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effectively primed to grok Bitcoin because you fell down
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the Austrian econ rabbit hole and the libertarian, you know?
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Canon long before Bitcoin. So you find this thing and I
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guess that makes a lot of those theories and discussions and
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writings a lot more practical. You bring them into the real
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world, which is what I. Yeah.
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Makes them actionable and proven because the tool is there to
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show it. Yeah, which is so crazy because
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you just had conjecture and then people screaming at Karl Marx
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and Keynes and screaming into the wilderness.
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Screaming into the wind and and it totally like when you when
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you read that stuff and I got to say I discovered all of that
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post Bitcoin. But I can imagine reading that
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stuff and thinking, great, now what I I can see that it's true.
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I can see that it it works, that's fantastic.
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But the reality is that I'm surrounded by leeches and ticks.
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Yeah, Fiat politicians. The only politician we knew at
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our time that ever talked about this was Ron Paul.
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Up until today we have Massey, Rand Paul.
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Seems like Ro Canna gets into some of that, but it is becoming
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a little I mean it's a mainstream topic the Fed
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inflation, the Fed chairman getting fired.
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This has never been discussed or talked about, but it just has to
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feel like this acceleration in in all these Bitcoin has had to
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have accelerated or, or pushed all of this forward.
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And to seeing how fraudulent the monetary system is in the
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promotion of it of Bitcoin from the various sides of the
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political aisle and spectrum or different countries and
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parliaments and representatives from all over the world coming
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around to see this as the solution to the major problem
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everyone is facing. And that is a centrally
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controlled, managed monetary system that leeches off the
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public to benefit the likes of the people you you probably read
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about in the in the Epstein files recently.
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I try not to give my energy to that, that despicable,
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disgusting information, but it's kind of hard not to when you
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realise, you know, the entire world and almost almost all, all
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of the culture that has made an impact, I guess, on the most,
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most people's lives from the music industry, the film
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industry, all that sort of stuff is, is run, it's created by
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fucking paedophiles. But anyway, that's, that's not
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really a road I want to, I want to go down.
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Tell me about that moment that you had all this information
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around Austrian economics, libertarianism, etcetera,
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volunteerism, and then you finally connect that dot and you
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plug it into this Bitcoin thing and that Bitcoin penny drops.
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Oh man, it was the man it was like hell.
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The this is this is insane. The the kind of knowing the
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future potential or understanding how that could
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work. Game theory out of the gate and
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those things. It was just like the helicopter
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money's coming. They're pumping out these the
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forcing people into different things and that nature kind of
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see when you know, like the Weimar cycle on those things,
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you know that each liquidity injection has to be multiples
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bigger than the last. So you knew 2008 and the stem
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useless tarp, all of that. It was going to be multiples
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bigger. And then also you had the fear
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campaign behind virus and those things, but you had repo markets
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doing what they've been doing now as well.
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So it was kind of like you can see that happening, but it's
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also do do they allow events to create the excuses to provide
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the solutions that they have to have.
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And you can just see the down and there's not going to be any
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way of putting that genie back in the bottle.
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They printed like 40% of the money supply over the course of
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a year or two. And now they're just trying to
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further intervene to fix the fuck ups of their past
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interventions. And the only answer they have is
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to print in the base the currency to in a, in a in a way
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inflate away the debt because it's so insurmountable.
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But at the same time, while this is happening and other countries
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know this and know you're feeble there, there's economic warfare
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taking place all around the globe.
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And whether it's been from bricks or the US moves and
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Venezuela and different things like that, different monetary
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regimes being upended, that eats away.
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So if you get a new person to eat up demand for Treasuries and
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the dollar, then these other people escaping the dollar like
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China and that it helps mitigate some of the damage and the the
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inflation. That's the same with the stable
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coin issuers. You see this happening now is
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yield curve control. And this is what it's like the
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the process of a of a country going bankrupt is just being
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followed to AT they just put different names on it.
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But it kind of felt like that was going to happen in 2020.
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And I I was, I mean, not not doing that great, just a teacher
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and coach, but I was deep into the weeds on this stuff.
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And I remember, yeah, I just, I couldn't sleep.
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I was reading everything because it was just it was.
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So you're full of so much hope because you see that this sound
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money future and that can there is a possibility of that
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happening and the this is the technology to push that forward.
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As long as you have central banks, you're going to continue
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to have A and you know the different thing, the money in
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politics and these items will occur and the revolving door
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continues no matter who you vote for.
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You get McCain, you're going to get war money printing and it
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seems like now pestilence and the rest.
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So what you can do is just short the state and long freedom and
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that's the biggest vote you could make is with your money.
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Haven't you heard that before? Vote with your money.
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Well, this is fucking head. It's staring us in the face and
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these people are they're, they're like one of those
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suicide bombers, but with, with the with our own country, They
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don't care. They sold out to the highest
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bidder, not even the highest bidder 7K.
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It'd do it for some people, but you know, this is the time we're
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living in. And if you want to at least have
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some claim and some say in your future, it seems like big and
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Bitcoin is that little light in the darkness.
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It would like it's almost without it.
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You're completely absorbed by this news and and everything
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around it. It's a complete black pill.
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And that's what I kind of had when I was, you know,
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libertarian and and those things was the other.
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Yeah, it's fucked. There's nothing we can do about
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it. And also what made me sick about
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libertarians is not even actually competing, just LAR
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ping. And that's what Ron Paul did.
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He said fine, fuck it, I'll run Republican and win 12 times.
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So until you you stop LAR ping and actually start competing,
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you don't have a lot of room to to critique these people because
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you're not competing against them.
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You're actually ostracizing and making it impossible for you to
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win. So it's just like doing whatever
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you can to wave some sort of some badge.
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But when, when you have all this happening, you do see a hopeful
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ending and and a benefit in holding sound money.
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And the understand that by not holding sound money, by taking
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part in this system, you're helping fuel the whole thing.
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And that the, the sad part is, is kind of the seeing the people
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that you do care, but not really coming around to it or just
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dismissing it when you knew it how beneficial it could, it
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could be for them. But volatility gets, and we're
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kind of trained right to buy, buy low, sell high.
29:25
But that's how people get poor and traders get wrecked.
29:28
Long term mindsets are where people benefit and generate
29:31
wealth. And that's where ADCA strategy
29:34
mitigates volatility and gives you all the benefits on the long
29:37
end. So yeah, find that that that
29:41
light in the darkness right now is Bitcoin, and the darkness is
29:48
all brought forth by the state. That's totally true.
29:52
Man, fuck those guys. They, they are just all, they're
29:56
definitely all just asshole pedophiles that they can fuck
29:59
themselves. Leonard E Reed talks about, you
30:05
know, 1 improved unit where he's doing a, a, there's a video on
30:08
YouTube, you can look it up. He dims the lights in a
30:11
classroom and he just turns like the, it's almost like just at a
30:15
photon level, this little tiny light.
30:18
And you know, he talks about it being representative of an
30:22
individual. And then another individual
30:25
finds another individual finds another individual in a compound
30:28
and eventually the lamp is able to illuminate the entire room
30:33
against the darkness. And that's, that's the Bitcoin
30:37
network. That's the adoption metaphor.
30:40
I I like to think about a lot, you know, and, and the shows
30:44
like yourself and I mean the whole suite of simply Bitcoin,
30:48
you know, the, the whole, the whole enterprise is, is
30:53
effectively one big orange peeling unit and.
30:58
When you dive in, like you dive into the rabbit hole, you start
31:01
looking online. Like for me, it was I was seeing
31:04
every everything happening and I'm immediately like, this is
31:09
the mark of the beast. Like what was happening with
31:12
the, you know, Fauci and all that crap.
31:15
And I was like, no way you guys can be doing this or taking this
31:20
different things. And it was a teacher.
31:23
So they were doing, you know, forcing masks on kids, all this
31:27
different crazy stuff. That's so gross.
31:32
Yeah, yeah, just complete madness and knowing none of that
31:36
was. But when I was digging into
31:38
Bitcoin and then when I got on Twitter, it was the discovery,
31:43
Hey, there's this one group of people that fucking get it like
31:49
everywhere, whether it's sound money, politics, big pharma,
31:55
steak and eggs, sun in your balls.
31:58
These people are like, how, how can they be like 20 for 20 like
32:02
that? But it was like, this is the
32:05
closest thing to that kind of Ron Paul revolution movement
32:11
that has had, but it's on steroids and it's global.
32:14
And there's also the the personal interest and benefit in
32:19
the the game theory of adopting it and the benefit that that
32:24
provides you the longer, longer you huddle and stay in.
32:30
Yeah, it's just crazy. How has discovering Bitcoin
32:34
changed you? Oh man, major ways.
32:42
So I kind of had this, you know, I was teaching, coaching,
32:44
getting burned out, all the different things, trying to
32:52
apply for different jobs and media because I have that
32:55
background in newspaper and a little broadcasting as well.
33:00
But yeah, nothing would work. Worked for free.
33:05
Ended up resigning because I just felt like if I'm going to,
33:08
I got to go all in. If I'm going to, I'm going to
33:11
land something here. So it took about a year and a
33:12
half to two years before Jacob connected me with Nico, you
33:18
know, and you got a year and a half to two years, no salary,
33:22
grinding it out, trying to find a place, doing volunteer work
33:29
helped get the publications and Bitcoin news going.
33:34
Did research and news for Cafe Bitcoin back in the day and
33:41
nothing was sticking or or providing a better opportunity
33:46
shot down on a couple things then me and Nico connected and
33:51
it's it's taken a while but yeah I'm in a better place than I I
33:57
ever have been is and that's like on so many fronts because
34:02
it kind of figure realized and this is what Bitcoin would do
34:06
you take take stake and responsibility in your life.
34:10
I man, I was AI was an alcoholic for probably had to be like 12
34:16
years, but I was like super functioning, pretty healthy and
34:20
all those things. But it was just, yeah, that was
34:24
my way of coping with the black crew in a sense.
34:27
And then when I got going, I kind of thought like I my
34:31
personality and all these things.
34:34
Well, I can't do like if I don't drink, then I'm not ever going
34:39
to be able to do a show. I'm too, you know, too anxious
34:43
or I'm, you know, different things like that, but then
34:47
actually got sober coming up on three years March 14th.
34:52
That's going to be awesome and man, the channel is taken off
34:59
the show is taken off. My life is better on on all
35:04
fronts got connected with God. Christ is king that it's kind of
35:11
like learning to be humble and put things in perspective and
35:15
you learn how to value the right things.
35:17
And there's different Fiat poisons that are put in our
35:21
lives and they get to different people.
35:24
That's why they're put there to monetize sin in a way.
35:28
And some people profit off of it.
35:33
But when you rebalance those things and you start using sound
35:36
money, you know, you, you try to maximize yourself and your life
35:42
and you realize that, you know, maybe my life is going to get
35:46
better. So maybe I should try to be
35:50
healthy and do all these other things because I can be there
35:53
for my kids or grandkids or my nieces, nephews, or to see this
35:59
company maybe get passed down to somebody or, or whatever it may
36:03
be. To see the world order
36:11
rebalanced under a sound money standard, something as wild as
36:14
that. But to, to believe that you're
36:21
going to be able to take care of yourself and your family in the
36:24
future or have the ability to do that is, is great.
36:27
And then a lot of people, because they're stuck in the,
36:33
the Fiat hamster wheel, they don't, they don't see that.
36:37
So that's why they get caught up and they don't have time to look
36:40
up or to go through the pain to, to get on the other side of it
36:45
because they're so trapped. You know, they're paycheck to
36:48
paycheck. What was it?
36:50
It's like 75% of people don't, don't have $1000 in savings.
36:58
It's something wild like that. Or to be able to handle a minor
37:04
say to get their car fixed or something like that.
37:07
But but you're told the economy is strong because of the stock
37:11
market, which is just a bit benchmark for inflation.
37:16
Yeah. So if you see that's up, that
37:19
means inflation is actually higher than than the reporting.
37:24
And they haven't even started to cut rates yet.
37:28
And that's that's going to be the real upending of a lot of
37:32
things. So yeah, just steady the course.
37:35
And then when you when you have some these things for us, for
37:41
me, I know it gets on me being being hounding the news 24/7.
37:47
I got to unplug sometimes, especially with with the world
37:51
the way it is today, because it's like, no, don't, don't fall
37:54
into the darkness. But yeah, when you have that
38:00
sound money that can benefit you in the future, you, you, you can
38:03
plan and hope and, and that's, that's something a lot of people
38:09
don't have. And if you don't just treat it
38:13
as an investment, just keep learning and building and
38:18
growing as an individual. You're going to grow in it as an
38:20
individual in so many other ways.
38:22
You'll be a better friend, better husband.
38:26
You'll, you'll get humble, humbled, and maybe find Christ.
38:32
There's all sorts of things that can happen.
38:34
I've seen it. I've talked to so many people
38:39
that found Christ or different things and that their journey to
38:44
get back out of that hole kind of began with Bitcoin.
38:49
It's kind of kind of crazy. It's, it's empowering.
38:52
It's a beautiful thing. And that's, that's kind of
38:56
something I try to do every day is to empower people through the
38:59
tough times, even when it feels bearish or that hell fires
39:04
raining down upon us. They can only, they can only
39:08
rain that shit down for so long. And the Bitcoin is the most
39:12
resilient monetary technology on the planet.
39:16
So rain it down, give us cheap sets and fuck off.
39:24
It's I I hear you, man. Yeah.
39:26
And in in terms of that spiritual awakening coming to
39:32
Christ, this is a safe space for that without a doubt.
39:36
This is, I mean, it's it's almost documented on this, on
39:39
this podcast over 150 odd episodes where you can hear the
39:43
wheels turning in my brain and and talking to various guests
39:48
and stuff and having them frame up all the stuff.
39:51
It's, it's, it's quite, it's quite extraordinary.
39:55
You know, I've been thinking about.
39:56
That what is it? There's another like all these
39:59
things become more visible over time.
40:01
Everything we're seeing like how manipulate and you, but I think
40:05
it's because you can see through the incentives or the veil it it
40:10
because your foundations change. You're able to to notice and see
40:16
different things your manipulations.
40:19
Clarity. By the by the by the machine.
40:22
Yeah, well, it's, it's putting sunlight on everything, you
40:25
know, and it's the greatest disinfectant and it just just
40:29
just banishes away all the bullshit.
40:32
Not immediately by any stretch of the imagination.
40:35
But I mean, you mentioned, you know, working in news media
40:40
beforehand and having that kind of training and that, that, that
40:45
insight and, you know, pivoting to teaching and all this sort of
40:50
stuff. And in a Fiat world, because I,
40:52
I know this first hand, I used to work in news media and all
40:58
that, like in the Fiat kind of, you know, traditional legacy
41:01
media. And man, it would get me down.
41:03
It would just get me down. It was just a just an awful
41:07
space to be in because you're constantly reporting on bullshit
41:11
or, or, or something super tragic.
41:14
And that actually if particularly if it was tragic,
41:16
it meant that you had a, you know, a mildly interesting day.
41:21
You know, I can remember the Fukushima totally, 100%.
41:26
Yeah. A man it, it, it was it, Yeah.
41:30
That the, the incentives of that is so fucked up.
41:33
But I mean, you, you have to fall into that.
41:35
I've noticed that even in in Bitcoin and stuff like price
41:38
action is the thing that gets the eyeballs when you're talking
41:42
about Bitcoin. If you dive straight into
41:44
something that's a little bit more gentle, wholesome, possibly
41:52
esoteric, I don't know, something that's not necessarily
41:54
directly related to macro and to price, you know, most people
41:58
kind of glaze over and they're like, oh, I don't know, man.
42:01
But this is just the time that we're at.
42:04
And I don't know if we'll ever get to A to a point in the world
42:07
where our consciousness will be so evolved that we won't need
42:11
that trivial shit anymore. Probably not.
42:15
I don't know. Then maybe a cohort of us.
42:17
But that's the same as it ever was, really.
42:22
But yeah, finding your peace and your like your home.
42:31
I suppose in that news media slash, even the teaching world,
42:36
you would have walked in the classroom and there's just a
42:38
bunch of disinterested kids. And then it would have all been
42:41
compounded by the fact that the bureaucracy behind it, the
42:44
administrative state behind the school would be like, well,
42:47
we've got to allow them this safe space.
42:49
So they've got to go online, you know, cushions and and bean bags
42:54
and stuff because, you know, they find in math class
42:57
stressful or whatever it is, and they just completely capitulate
43:02
to these kids and don't give them any friction or attention
43:04
to overcome. And you just you're just there.
43:07
And I can imagine with all of your libertarian background,
43:10
you're just like pulling your hair out going this is no, no,
43:13
no, this is not how people get better like, and I don't.
43:17
Know like maybe I can be like Ron Swanson, fight the fight the
43:21
system from within. From within.
43:24
That was a futile effort, that was.
43:26
Because it beats you down, doesn't it?
43:28
And, and and then you're just isolated.
43:30
It's not like you can rock up to the, to the staff room and, and,
43:35
and, and be yourself. You know, you've got to find
43:39
that mask to put on and it's that's not sustainable.
43:44
No, and it's the whole like it's rather than to be educated in
43:50
the current system, it's more valuable for them to learn to be
43:55
compliant that that seems what it's what it's all about.
43:58
I'm not about that. I want them to be individuals,
44:01
rugged individuals and think for themselves and stuff like that.
44:06
That is not what public school is for.
44:10
So I'm very glad, like now I can educate people that are a
44:15
seeking it, wanting to, wanting to find out or have an interest
44:19
in some fashion and, you know, make them laugh, give them the
44:24
news and and try to do it as good as possible.
44:28
Try to be the best at what I do and just try to bring it every
44:34
day. Well, three times a week, but
44:38
helping package other videos and material and that, but it's it's
44:43
incredible, It's fun. This is a dream job, an
44:48
opportunity for me and I'm thankful for it.
44:50
I can, you know, all this stuff just never would have been.
44:55
If I never would have went down the Bitcoin rabbit hole, I'd
45:00
still be stuck in poor and state education.
45:04
Now I'm stuck and I'm poor, but at least I'm living the dream.
45:08
Baby. Here we go.
45:10
You're doing it on your terms, man.
45:11
This is the the difference. Freedom right versus wealth.
45:17
There are some differences. Totally.
45:19
You can't trade in. Some of those things are just
45:21
intangible and and and way more valuable.
45:24
This is a question I usually skip over.
45:27
I have of late, but I don't know, I think I think I think it
45:30
fits. What do you what what if?
45:33
Let's see if I can rephrase this.
45:36
What have you learned about yourself since discovering
45:40
Bitcoin? Like this transformative effort?
45:44
You know, how does how has Bitcoin changed you?
45:46
It's like, well, it's done a 180 effectively it it's made you, I
45:51
mean, look, you, you, you quit alcohol, you're coming up on
45:53
three years. That's that's enormous.
45:55
That alone is enormous. And then finding that peace with
46:00
Christ, really dedicating yourself and leaning and locking
46:04
into to your role simply Bitcoin, like all of these
46:08
things. But in terms of I mean, did you
46:13
think that you had that power within you?
46:14
I don't I don't know, it sounds retarded.
46:16
Maybe Tony Robbins ask, but you know what I'm saying.
46:20
Yeah, I had a there was a tea and we we actually played
46:25
football together back in high school and baseball and we were
46:29
Co teachers at the school. And when I was kind of getting
46:32
into this stuff and I was talking to him, he told me
46:34
recently, thank you by the way, he's doing very well from those
46:39
few years ago when he started buying Bitcoin.
46:43
He loves the dips. He he's he's a heathen for the
46:46
dips. Good guy.
46:48
But I remember we were walking out one day and I sent him
46:51
something. I was like, I think I could do
46:53
that. He's like, what do you mean?
46:54
He's like, I think I could do a podcast.
46:56
He's like, I don't know, man, that don't don't like quit your
47:00
job or anything, you know? And then it was in the summer,
47:05
my wife coached softball and we were coaching a summer team.
47:10
And every time we would come back to the hotel, in between
47:14
games or days, I would catch up on the Bitcoin conference.
47:18
And that was the one where Ross phoned in from jail.
47:21
Calais. That was a crazy one. 22.
47:25
And I was just watching it and I I told my wife, you know, I
47:31
think one day I could speak at or maybe like, introduce the
47:38
people at one of these things. And she was just calling.
47:42
Yeah, maybe you could fuck, I don't know.
47:46
But I kind of felt it better that it was a few months later
47:50
that I resigned and just went on the journey and then got
47:55
connected with Nico. And the rest is history.
47:57
But yeah, that that did did have an inkling of a belief that it
48:03
could have, but not not how it's played out.
48:08
Yeah, it's, it's just, it's just funny to me that once you get
48:13
that firm foundation of sound money, you know, under, under
48:16
your belt, like maybe have a like some actual savings.
48:20
And I guess you just, you develop the confidence to be
48:22
like, all right, well, I can, you know, take a little bit more
48:27
risk, go out on that risk curve a little bit.
48:30
Because I mean, there's that mean that gets around, you know,
48:33
Kermit during, during bull markets.
48:36
And you know, those, those kind of like, you know, bitcoins up
48:39
15% on the day or whatever. And he's, you know, your boss
48:43
tells you you're late and he's kind of looking at, you know,
48:47
like there there is an element of of that because you just
48:50
think, well, if worse comes to worse, this.
48:53
Shit anymore? Sell down a little portion of my
48:57
stack and I don't know, I'll take a couple of months off and
49:00
I'll find something better, you know, and it's not like that is
49:05
so priceless that having that ability to like, that's fuck you
49:08
money right there. Like, well, if you don't have
49:10
the ability to say fuck you, man, you got to play the rules,
49:14
You got to play the game. If the game sucks and the rules
49:16
keep changing, you know, underneath you, you're going to
49:21
have a bad time. But if the rules are stable and
49:25
immutable and everybody has to play the same game, you can
49:31
start to take a look around and think, all right, well, what can
49:35
I? What am I good at?
49:36
What can I contribute of value to people, to the world?
49:41
And what, what do you enjoy doing?
49:43
What would be the if you could go back and do things, what,
49:48
what would you do? All of that.
49:51
And it just, I, I always was kind of into the probably listen
49:57
to Alex Jones since 2009 and people like that.
50:03
I've always kind of listened to those guys that were, that were
50:09
out there. But at the end of the day always
50:11
seemed to be the most honest. But they were found.
50:15
If anyone's being banned, you should probably go watch their
50:18
show and see what, see what, see what they're saying.
50:23
It's probably a good sign to follow, you know, that's getting
50:28
to know and and watch and listen to Doctor Jack Cruz's stuff that
50:33
that's been crazy. But you you have the time to
50:37
reflect and look back and get this knowledge that isn't in a
50:41
textbook and different things that's that's out in the world
50:46
and you're better informed. You're probably going to be
50:52
better maintained health wise. I, I just see that everywhere
50:55
Bitcoiners are, are big carnivore keto people that
51:02
places. I get like I went to the Alaska
51:04
conference and they got up. We got up in like 5 in the
51:08
morning, jogged a mile and jumped in glacier water and
51:12
there were like 30-40 people doing it.
51:16
So it's just a different outlook on life, it seems Bitcoiners
51:20
have and I, I think as adoption spreads that that'll, that'll
51:28
grow more and more people will have the time as they adopt to,
51:34
to reflect and look at these different things, have the time
51:38
to go get informed rather than being trapped in the Fiat rat
51:43
race. Yeah, that's the thing, right?
51:46
The time to be informed. I mean, you got to have the
51:49
will, got to have Will, and you got to have curiosity.
51:52
Those are two things that I think really aid a Bitcoiner
51:58
into discovering this thing in the 1st place and diving down
52:01
all those rabbit holes and you know.
52:04
I also think too in Bitcoin you, you'll see like people from all
52:08
different political spectrums. It's, it's easy, easy and
52:12
obvious to kind of see the libertarian types, but how it
52:19
crosses over because it's, it's part of the bigger issue, puts
52:23
those other things aside. You see how minuscule and and
52:27
petty these other things we talked about are in contrast.
52:33
But it also feeds on to the old thing that freedom is popular.
52:39
And that that's something that Bitcoin is infecting both houses
52:47
in different parts of the globe with the freedom virus that's
52:50
slowly growing. And I think we we could be on
52:57
the precipice of not a golden age, but an orange age.
53:05
I think so man. Quick break just to say, if
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thank you for your support. I want to bring this in to land,
53:50
but I normally I got 2 two final questions, but there's there's
53:55
something that I've just been itching to itching to discuss
53:58
with you and that is completely off topic here and completely
54:02
self indulgent. But talk to me a little bit
54:05
about what's your favorite heavy metal and and punk rock band.
54:12
Oh man, if I just had to do what?
54:15
I don't know, just just just open this can of worms for a
54:18
minute. Metal.
54:20
Oh man I love all sorts of stuff but couple of favorite would
54:25
probably have to be like Slayer, Trivium Megadeth.
54:33
OK, let's go off there for a SEC.
54:34
So Slayer, I dig, Slayer I don't, I I never got into Slayer
54:39
as much as anybody else and I think because I didn't really
54:43
enjoy their lack of melody. Oh, definitely.
54:47
It's just thrash, yeah. Whereas like Metallica at least
54:51
had that sense of melody and you can say what you say.
54:54
I mean, like, people like to take Metallica now and poke fun
54:57
of them and Lars is a terrible drama and all that sort of
55:00
stuff. I love Metallica too.
55:02
Yeah, they can't. They're legends.
55:04
And then, you know, there's the whole Megadeth, Dave Mustaine,
55:08
like some of his lyrics back in the day in Rust in Peace and
55:10
stuff like that. They're they're all time.
55:12
They're they're fantastic. And to be able to play those
55:15
guitar solos and singing at the same time, it's like, get the
55:19
fuck out. Yeah, I think Dave might be the
55:23
best. Just pure talent on guitar all
55:26
time. One of them 1.
55:28
Yeah, he's he's nuts. He's nuts.
55:31
So like you're an old thrasher then from back in the day.
55:33
I mean, are you a bit more I? Like that.
55:35
I love Lamb of God, Slipknot, Trivium.
55:40
What I really like now are these hardcore bands that have come
55:44
out. They're killing it, like Knocked
55:47
Loose, Code Orange, Kublai Khan, these.
55:53
It's brutal, it's heavy, but it's a lot of fun.
55:57
I'm going to have to look up Code Orange for obvious reasons.
56:02
But punk bands, I'll probably have to, you know, Rancid.
56:09
I love a newer band, Turnstile and Angel Dust.
56:19
Fantastic. I love music.
56:21
Yeah, man, it's just, it's just wild to me like a, there's a I,
56:29
there's a band called Bleed from Within out of Scotland.
56:32
Oh. Yeah, yeah.
56:34
Have you seen them around? But they remind me of like early
56:38
Slipknot a little bit. Oh yeah, they go hard.
56:42
Oh yeah, I haven't seen. Some of them.
56:44
Yeah, they there's those old kill switch engage videos from
56:48
when they're playing in that the.
56:51
End of heartache. Oh yeah, dude, what an epic
56:55
that's like that. Was a.
56:56
Good one. That's that's the best yeah man,
56:59
it's it's and it's funny how I I would like those worlds to meet
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somewhere. I mean, they are kind of doing
57:05
that in the value for value universe, but we just got to
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get, you know, I, I probably got to spend a bit more time in
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there. But I just find every time I go
57:17
in there, there's like a Bitcoin song.
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There's some sort of like song that's been written, but it's
57:22
got Bitcoin lyrics and just kind of it's like go write an actual
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song. Yeah, I don't know.
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Anyway, I just needed to get that off my chest and and and
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indulge a little bit on the on the music talk.
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Oh yeah, tons of good stuff coming, like Rob Zombie and
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Manson are going on tour, man. It's all coming back.
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The 2000s are coming back, that's for sure.
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Oh. New Lamb of God is on the way.
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The singles are great. Meshuga.
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You got time for Meshuga. Oh, Meshuga's epic, that's not
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for the faint of heart. It's not, but it's it's
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tremendous. It's tremendous.
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Oh, what's the 1 you? Came out a few weeks ago
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actually. I saw that too.
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Yeah, Maynard, I wonder if that means Tool's going to be coming
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soon. Dude, it took like 16 years or
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some shit between the last two albums.
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I'm pretty sure there's a track on the on the new Pussifer
58:25
record and I think it's called 7.
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It's got this, the word 7 in it. And the lyrics, I don't know if
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you've ever listened to a lot of the Pussifer lyrics actually are
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incredibly insightful, like indigo children and stuff like
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that. They they really, you can put a
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Bitcoin lens over the top of them and, and you can be like,
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damn, is this, this is this guy from the future?
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Is he a Bitcoiner? Is he just completely prescient?
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71 is the name of the the track on the new Puss for album.
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Yeah, Maynard is like punk rock slash philosophy.
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Yeah, he's, he's a character. He's out of control, no doubt.
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What do you wish more people knew about Bitcoin?
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I would say that it is superior savings technology, anyone can
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use it. But if you just understood that.
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That doesn't sound cool man. That just sounds.
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What do we say? That doesn't sound sexy at all.
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Savings. What do I need savings for?
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I've got my credit card. Delinquencies are at an all time
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high. Let's keep going.
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Bitcoin is your greatest tool of defense against the state ran by
1:00:00
pedophiles. Satanic elites.
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There we go. There you go.
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What does Bitcoin mean to you? Bitcoin at at the just at the
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root is just freedom, liberty, free will.
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Like there's this this certain like, you know, like God put us
1:00:27
on the earth. Why do we have all these
1:00:28
problems and different things. He allows you free will and
1:00:32
that's what Bitcoin does as well.
1:00:34
But the alternative system that's being formed, you don't
1:00:37
have free will. You have to operate within the
1:00:40
system. You go to the wrong protest, you
1:00:44
ate too much meat that week and you make the wrong post, your
1:00:51
money gets shut down or stipend did that.
1:00:55
That's what the CBDC stablecoin future is, and it's convenient
1:01:02
for them in a way to practice yield curve control.
1:01:09
But it's just a slavery tokens. Bitcoin is the only money you'll
1:01:13
be able to hold and move unmitigated anywhere whenever
1:01:18
you need it, and it's going to continually grow in value
1:01:21
against these other forms of Fiat.
1:01:25
The state has to debase the money, otherwise it dies and
1:01:30
defaults and Bitcoin goes to 10 million at minimum.
1:01:38
There you go, That's it. That's all you need to know.
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Ruston. Thank you so much man, for
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spending some scarce time finite energy telling us the tale of
1:01:47
how you discovered Bitcoin. It's been an honour and a
1:01:50
pleasure. Dude, thanks brother.
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Heck yeah. Thanks for having me, man.