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Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And The Emergence Of A Second Black Book (5/2/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: The second Black Book has been found. That's right, another
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book allegedly that belonged to Jeffrey Epstein has been unearthed,
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and inside of that book a whole bunch of new names,
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well some names that aren't so new, but a bunch
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of new names nonetheless. Now, of course, just like with
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the other Black Book, doesn't mean that everybody who's named
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in that book was involved with Epstein right at least
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with his criminal racket he had going on. But what
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it does is it shows you, and it builds a
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profile once again about how Epstein was accepted within these circles,
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within this rarefied air. And these same very people who
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will look you dead pan in the face, directly in
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the eyes and act like they had no idea who
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he was or what he was up to, Well, those
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very same people can never explain why they were in
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his address book, or why they were out at a
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dinner party together, or why they attended his choires at
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his house. Although'll give you canned excuses, Oh, I was
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the plus one of so and so, or I had
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no idea who Epstein was and I was just going
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there to meet the prince. But in reality, all of
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these so called elite that have popped up throughout this case.
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All of these people that used to run with him,
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especially on a regular basis, at these events, at modeling gigs,
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et cetera.
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Speaker 2: Et cetera. All of these people.
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Speaker 1: Who have denied knowing him, denied having a relationship with him,
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are obviously lying. And you would think the best course
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of action would be, if you know, you found out
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you had a buddy like Jeffrey Epstein, would be to
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come public and talk about it, right, I know I would.
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If I really truly had no idea what this scumbag
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was up to, and I had been around him or whatever,
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forget it, I would I'd go. I'd be on the
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first train to the FBI station. Well, that is, if
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I was still able to walk after my mother beat
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the living crap out of me. But all of these
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people in these black books, and what we're gonna call
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this is, you know, like in King Kong, the Son
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of Kong, we'll call this the Son of the Black Book.
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And obviously this is just the opening salvo of what's
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in this book, kind of just to give you folks
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an idea of what to expect moving forward. As more
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information from this book is released, and you know, kind
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of just to get the conversation started, right. I was
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gonna wait till tomorrow to uh get this article recorded
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and stuff, but I figured, you know what, why don't
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we jump in the studio tonight and drop a daily drop.
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So that's what we're doing, And our article tonight is
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from Okay Magazine, headline inside Jeffrey Epstein's newly surfaced Little
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Black Book reportedly connecting ex President Donald Trump, actress Morgan Fairchild,
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and more to the sex offender. This article was authored
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by the Okay staff. Now, the original article appeared in Insider, right,
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Uh so it's behind a paywall and I'm not going
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to pay honestly to read their content. So when a
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more in depth article comes out, obviously we'll we'll dive
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into that. But as for now, let's dip our toes
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into the water with this article from Okay Magazine. A
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damning Little Black Book of Jeffrey Epstein's appeared in twenty fifteen,
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showing many prominent figures such as Donald Trump, Prince Andrew
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aka the Joe Exotic of the Windsor family, and others
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having connection to the disgraced pedophile and convicted felon, And
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with the appearance of that Black Book, it began to
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open up a doorway into Jeffrey Epstein's world. The curtain
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was pulled back a bit, and some of the people
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that were hanging out with him, some of the people
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that were helping him refurbish his reputation, were now put
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on blast for the public to see. And that's not
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a place there used to being.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Most of the people that were talking about the rich,
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the elite, the power, they have a lot of friends
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in the media, They have a lot of friends on
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network television, and these friends will do whatever they can
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to help protect them. And that's just the way it goes.
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That's the nature of the symbiotic relationship between the fourth
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Estate and the so called elite. The fourth the state,
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they want the access, the elite they want the cover.
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So it's a match made in heaven, isn't it. And
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that's what they do. You'll get the legacy media providing
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cover for people named in that book, and then the
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people named in the book, well, they'll just say, look,
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we didn't know this guy, we have no idea what
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you're talking about, and a limp legacy media will just
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let them get away with it. We've seen it time
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and time again.
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Speaker 2: Oh don't worry.
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Speaker 1: They'll call out the people they dislike, There's no doubt
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about that. They'll give you a little bit of red
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meat so that they can say, hey, look, we're not
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completely inactive over here.
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Speaker 2: Here.
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Speaker 1: Look we got you a sacrificial lamb right here, when
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in reality they should be digging deep and going as
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far as the evidence takes them. Is that too much
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to ask? I mean, that's what I've attempted to do
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here in my own little small way. And I'm certainly
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not some journalists. I certainly didn't go to school to
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become a journalist or anything like that. But how about
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a little integrity, how about a little bit of you know,
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care for what you do, and a little bit of
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honor in how you do it. Because we've seen from
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the beginning, folks, the way the legacy media took this
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story and made it what they wanted all at the
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same time, never once given a damn about the people
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who it really affected. As far as I know, I
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never met Epstein. Former editor of French Vogue, Juliet Buck
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said when her name appeared in the book. According to
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The New York Times. I never went to any of
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those famous parties in the biggest house in New York City.
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And again, maybe that's true, right, Maybe some of these
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people didn't have any connection to Jeffrey Epstein. Maybe some
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of these people never hung out with Jeffrey Epstein. Did
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you hang out with Glaine instead? Because you see, the
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names just don't appear in these books magically, right, We
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didn't have Sigfried and Roy show up and magically make
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those books appear. They didn't make the names pop up
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in those books. Somehow those addresses and those numbers were
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put in there, right and logically thinking well, obviously they
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were put in there by Maxwell or Epstein or someone
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in their circle for some reason or another. Now years later,
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a new book has reportedly surfaced with the names of
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three hundred and forty nine people, a majority not listed
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in the first address book, who seemingly have a connection
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to the late Epstein. And look, I've always expected this
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kind of thing to happen.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: As the case moves forward, more information comes out. I
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never really figured on what a source would be, right,
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But how this book came into play is bananas. We're
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gonna get to that a little later in this article,
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But it's bananas how this book came into play and
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how it's now part of the conversation moving forward from today.
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The supposed new book contains the names, telephones, and addresses
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of a slew of high profile individuals who had never
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previously associated who had never been previously associated with Epstein.
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Some of the names included in epstein Means alleged rolodex
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are Malania Trump's bestie Suzanne Erca, who now goes by
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Suzanne Johnson, married into the Johnson and Johnson family. And
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let's remember Jeffrey Epstein, Well, didn't he have some involvement
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with the Johnson's previously that we talked about? Oh yeah,
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that's right, he sure did. And now, full disclosure, I'm
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a New York Jets fan. The New York Jets are
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owned by the Johnsons, so I'm not a huge fan
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of them to begin with. Right, definitely an axe to grind,
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considering the misery they caused me every football season. But
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be that as it may, all kidding aside, is anybody
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shocked that the Johnson's would be in the Epstein orbit,
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would be hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein, would be friendly
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with Jeffrey Epstein, and it should come as no shock
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that Milania Trump's best friend her husband gets a cush
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job as the ambassador to in Englund. I'm sure all
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of that just happens in a vacuum, right, Cronyism to
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the umph degree, Folks, every single administration we have ever had,
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probably ever and I for one, have had enough. The
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cronyism needs to end. Whoever is the most qualified person
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for the position should get the position. Legendary actress Morgan
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Fairchild and billionaire businessman John Cats Cats some matitis. Not
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too familiar with that, that clown anyway. Again, it just
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goes to show you the circles that Jeffrey Epstein was
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running in. I mean, maybe my mind is too caught
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up with the Johnson's here still to talk about uh
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John Katzi over here, right, We'll have to get to
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him at a at a different point, because I'm still
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blown away by the connection to the Johnson's. And while
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I you know, while we all know how deep the
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connections run in these circles, it was just a matter
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of time before the depth of the relationship between Epstein
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and the Johnson's was revealed. I've had several people tell
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me about the relationship between the Johnson's and Epstein. But
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you know, it's hard to run that kind of stuff down, right,
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It's hard to confirm or validate that sort of thing.
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So in a case like this, I try to be
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very careful of things that are hard to validate or
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there's no documentation for them, right, because there's enough murk
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in the water. Denise Anddeiku, a self described enigmatic rock chick,
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claims to have found the book on the sidewalk in
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the nineties while wandering down Fifth Avenue, reported Insider on
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dayco said she picked up the book out of curiosity,
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having no idea the treasure she had stumbled upon. All Right, so,
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according to the person who found this book, she was
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walking down Fifth Avenue and she stumbled upon this book,
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picked it up, grabbed it, and took it with her
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out of curiosity.
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Speaker 2: Right, Oh, what the hell is this book?
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Speaker 1: With a bunch of names in it might be a
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fun read on the subway or down at Central Park,
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or you know, whatever the hell she's yet into. So
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I could see picking that up, tossing it in your pocket.
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You know, nobody's claiming it or whatever.
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Speaker 2: You think.
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Speaker 1: It's just a discarded notebook. Somebody might have dropped it.
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Maybe there's a name in it. Maybe you can call
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somebody and say, hey, buddy, I got your notebook. So
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I understand why she would pick it up. But imagine
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this is what it is. You pick it up and
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it happens to be one of Jeffrey Epstein's address books,
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The Son of the Black Book. I mean, talk about wild, huh?
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And what are the chances of this book ever seeing
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the light of day after it was dropped like that,
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her picking it up all these years later, and then
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finally figuring out what she has? I mean, what are
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the chances of that?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: I wasn't smart enough to figure out it was Epstein's,
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she told the outlet. She claimed that while that as
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she was flipping through the artifact, she saw the names
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and addresses of many members of Trump's family and inner circle,
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and even lifestyles of the rich and famous host Robin Leach.
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Speaker 2: Well, we know that.
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein was aspiring to be rather Robin Leache, and
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we know that Donald Trump and his family certainly were
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close to Epstein and Maxwell. You know, there'll be people
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who are burning at the hair because that gets pointed out.
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But guess what, I don't care. I really do not
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care everybody involved. I don't know how much more clear
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I need to be. Anybody involved with Jeffrey Epstein needs
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to be outed. Anybody who gave him any kind of
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cover or refurbish his reputation, they need to be out it.
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And anybody who has lied about their relationship with Epstein,
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they also need to be outed. So that definitely means
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Donald Trump. On Dayku decided she would hang on to
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the book for the odd New York City artifact that
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it was after stowing it away in a box. More
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than two decades later, she and a relative were cleaning
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out his storage unit when they stumbled upon the book.
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Upon looking through it and the relative recognizing the names
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of Epstein's previously owned properties, on Dayku realized she was
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sitting on a lost, buried treasure. All right, this story
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is wild. So the friend was obviously up to date
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on what's going on in the Epstein case. According to
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the story, she knew something. And again, you know, the
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whole story is wild, This whole thing. How she found it,
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She was sitting on it for a few decades, then
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it comes to light, her friend recognizes names, and then
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it becomes part of the public conversation. I mean, look
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at all of the things that would have to line
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up for this to be right, for this to actually occur,
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for this book to ever see.
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Speaker 2: The light of day.
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Speaker 1: A lot of things had to line up correctly for
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that to happen. I mean, how easy would it have
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been for her to throw it out at some point
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over the decades, or to leave it in the storage unit.
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But nope, that didn't happen. Right, And now here we
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are a few months from Glene Maxwell's trial, smack dab
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in the middle of this huge, sprawling, criminal conspiracy, and
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the son of the Black Book shows up.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll take I'll.
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Speaker 1: Take one for the winning team for once. On Daco
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claims she reached out to news outlets and TV hosts
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such as John Oliver and MSNBC's Rachel Maddow about the book,
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but never heard back. After a friend convinced her it
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was worth money, hard up for cash, she decided to
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sell a book on eBay. Now is it any shock
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that Rachel Maddow didn't want anything to do with this
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or that scrub? John Oliver. Course, it's not. They aren't
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real journalists, folks, They don't. They're agitators. Okay, I know
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some of you like them, and that's cool. I'm not
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telling you not to listen to them or enjoy them
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as entertainment. But if you think that what they're talking
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about is the news, boy, you're in for a rude
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awakening when the real world shows up, because Rachel Maddow
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and John Oliver, all they're doing is pumping rage porn, folks,
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no different than Sean Hannity or any of the other
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I don't even know who the other knuckleheads are on
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Fox News these days. What are this Tucker Carlson? Who
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else is on there? I don't even know any of
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the people on these news networks. That's how pathetic it's become.
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But it shouldn't shock anybody that Rachel Maddow or John
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Oliver wanted nothing to do with the story or with
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the book. How many of their good friends were caught
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up with Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 2: Dcent.
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Speaker 1: I know, very cynical way to look at things, folks,
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But unfortunately, one thing that has really happened throughout the
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whole entire case, as we've been following it since October
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of twenty nineteen. I have become more cynical than I
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ever thought was even possible. And when it comes to
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major news networks, when it comes to places like Fox
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or MSNBC, and we're talking about people like Rachel Maddow,
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there is zero chance that I believe anything that's coming
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out of their mouths Now, if some of you out
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there have a different opinion on that, and you want to,
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you know, watch Rachel Maddow every night, and it's cool. Hey,
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we could still be friends, right, you know how I
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feel about that. We're allowed to have different opinions, folks.
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Speaker 2: That's okay.
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Speaker 1: I think that's healthy in fact, But anybody who's going
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to try and have a debate with me that she's
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an actual news person, well you better pack a lunch
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because it's going to be a long day. Chris Alelli,
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a failed congressional candidate in Vermont, stumbled across on on
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Daco's listing one day as he was searching for Epstein's
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previous Little Black Book. I was looking for the first
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book and trying to create a network, a map of
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who knew Epstein, he told the outlet, And I mean look,
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I understand that, right. I feel that in my soul.
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Everybody who is creating content on Epstein or Maxwell or
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this situation has spent countless hours on the Internet, digging
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through files, looking at the Black Book, you know, going
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on wild goose chases, talking the sources that are absolutely
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insane and not even really sources. Everybody has dealt with it.
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So to score a little bit of gold here for
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Nick Bryant, once again, kudos to him, Definitely kudos to him.
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It's tough to chase this stuff down sometimes and then
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when it falls into your lap like this modrown. At first,
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Halali thought the listing was a scam, but after communicating
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with Ondaco, he purchased it for four hundred and twenty
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five dollars. Halali himself reached out to several journalists regarding
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the book, but no one was biting until he talked
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with Nick Bryant, the man responsible for shedding light on
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Epstein's first Little Black Book, who took interest and worked
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on revealing the names in the new address book. So again,
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shout out to Nick Bryant for doing good work here,
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one of you know, one of the handful of journalists
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who were really looking to do good work here, not
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looking to you know, a shove a political cross down
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anyone's throat, following the evidence wherever it goes, raw and untainted,
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and that is the proper way to manage this case
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and to look at it. Look, we all have our
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personal biases, come on, that's obvious, but you have to
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stow that shit to the side when we're looking at
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something as massive in scope as this, because there's no
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good guys here, folks. There's no one riding in to
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save the day. Not Joe Biden, not Merrick Garland, not
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Donald Trump, not Bill Barr, not any of them. You know,
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who can save this country? And I know it's gonna
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sound cliche, but you can.
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Speaker 2: That's it.
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Speaker 1: None of these knuckleheads have the ability.
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Speaker 2: It is up to us.
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Speaker 1: Former forensic document examiner Dennis Ryan examined the alleged book
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and concluded that it most likely dated to the nineteen
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nineties and had not been altered. I'm confident that the
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book is circa ninety five to two thousand, he said.
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So again, it's not like there's some kind of elaborate
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plot being hatched here, at least according to the forensics
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that have been done already. So it's looking like this
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book is legit and the whole story around it, how
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it was found, how it was brought public on eBay,
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bought for four hundred and twenty five bucks. Sure are
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a lot of moving parts.
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Speaker 2: There, huh.
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Speaker 1: And it's almost like this book was meant to find
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its way into the public view. Other notable names in
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the newly found book said to be owned by Epstein are, oh,
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this is a good one, Chris Cuomo's wife, Christina grievin
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anyone shocked about that the Cuomos as a family might
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as well be a criminal organization as well. All right,
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maybe that's going a little far. Okay, that's a bit hyperbolic,
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But let's be real here, folks. Are they trustworthy? You
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trust Cuomo, either of them, any of them? And you
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really think that the movers and shakers that the Cuomos
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are weren't running around with the Epstein's of the world,
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stop it. Of course they were. And now that we're
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hearing about good old Chris Cuomo's wife here, Christina Grievan
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hanging out with Epstein, how long before we had we
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find out that Cuomo himself was breaking bread and billionaire
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Carl Icon and ex president Donald Trump makes another appearance
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in the Son of the Black Book. According to Insider,
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Trump's name is reportedly accompanied by several phone numbers, including
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two labeled Palm Beach home with the area code four
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oh seven. Yeah, but Donald Trump had nothing to do
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with Epstein. I love the people that try that shit
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on me. That's a quick way to get laughed at. Honestly,
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it's just like showing up and acting like the Clintons
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had nothing to do with Epstein. You want to see
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somebody who is using bias, who was carrying water from
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one side or the other. Well, just listen to people
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making excuses for Jeffrey Epstein's inner circle, for Jeffrey Epstein's
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buddies like Donald Trump or Bill Clinton, and then my friends,
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you will see who really is biased. Epstein died by
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apparent suicide after he hanged himself in his jail cell
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at a jail in Manhattan in August twenty nineteen, a
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month after his arrest on sex trafficking charges. An indictment
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alleged that Epstein had recruited dozens of minor girls to
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engage in sex acts with him at his mansion in
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Manhattan and his Palm Beach estate. And it's crazy because
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we all know that it also happened to New Mexico, right,
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and we also have heard about Michigan too, So while
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we might only have the talk here about Florida and
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New York, if you think for a minute I'm ever
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going to let what happened in New Mexico fall by
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the wayside, If you think that I'm ever going to
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let them off the hook for that, you have not
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been paying attention. And I don't think anybody should let
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them off.
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Speaker 2: The hook for that.
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Speaker 1: And now all of these people showing up in the
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sun of the Black Book, well, guess what. There's gonna
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be some questions, and I hope you got some answers.
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Speaker 2: The description box.
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Speaker 1: All right, This article is from Business insider dot com.
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The headline is a behind the scenes look at how
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inside reporters stumble the on Jeffrey Epstein's Second Black Book.
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This article was authored by Grace O'Connell Joshua. And now
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remember it's a question and answer session, So I'll read
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the question and you know who fired off a question,
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meaning the author, and then we'll state who is responding.
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That way, we try and keep it all, you know,
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tethered and nison in order and neat, so you can
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follow along. Question Grace O'Connell, Joshua, how did you come
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across Jeffrey Epstein's Second Little Black Book? Answer? Angela Wang.
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The book was found by a woman named Denise on
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dayco on a Manhattan sidewalk in the mid nineteen nineties.
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She was a musician living in the East Village at
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the time. In her telling, she was walking down Fifth
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Avenue and happened to be looking down. Eventually, she put
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it in storage and rediscovered it last year while cleaning
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out her storage unit with a relative. The relative recognized
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it has Epstein's who by then was infamous. So obviously
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the relative has a little bit of an idea of
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what's going on with the case. Somebody who's been following
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it enough to know and savvy enough to know that
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this could possibly belong to Jeffrey Epstein. On Daco reached
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out to several media outlets, but didn't hear back. Yeah,
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of course, we talked about a few of them, right.
26:32
Rachel Maddow another one of the knuckleheads at MSNBC garbage station.
26:38
By the way, doesn't shock me that Rachel mattout and
26:41
get involved. She doesn't like to get her feet dirty, right.
26:45
She doesn't get into the muck unless it's a political
26:47
situation and she can score political.
26:49
Speaker 2: Points with the page. Here's some red meat.
26:52
Speaker 1: Prah so tired of the rage porn folks. It's so ridiculous,
26:57
it's so counterproductive. She assumed the book was a copy
27:03
of Epstein's previously published a dress book and listed it
27:07
on eBay after some friends told her it might be
27:09
worth some money. It was purchased by a graduate student
27:13
in Vermont named Christopher Halali for four hundred and twenty
27:17
five dollars. Halali collects historical artifacts and, according to him,
27:22
was googling for Epstein's Little Black Book when he stumbled
27:25
upon the listing. He was skeptical when he reached out
27:28
to the cellar, but on Deeko's account struck him as
27:31
genuine and made him realize that it might be a
27:35
different address book altogether. So imagine how all of this
27:38
came into play. I mean, talk about coincidences and fate
27:43
and all of that jazz. This lady finds a black
27:47
book on the streets of New York in the nineties,
27:51
stashes it in her storage unit, and then eventually it
27:54
comes to light that this is Jeffrey Epstein's Black Book,
27:58
or an associate of Jeffrey Epstein's Black Book. I mean,
28:01
imagine how all the stars have to align for this
28:04
to take place and for this Black Book to still
28:06
be in existence all these years later. How much stuff
28:10
do you folks still have from the nineties lane around.
28:13
I don't have very much, that's for sure. Halali reached
28:20
out to several journalists, including Nick Bryant, who had published
28:24
Epstein's Little Black Book under Insider Investigations editor John Cook's
28:29
tenure at Gawker. Bryant reached out to John, who brought
28:33
us together to start investigating the book and its backstory,
28:38
So obviously another consortium. They came together. Nick Bryant, the
28:44
rest of the journalists working on this case came together
28:46
to make sure that this was vetted and looked at
28:52
and that it was something that was real, right O'Connell, Joshua.
29:02
So another question asked, what's new in the book that
29:05
you found? Wang? There are two hundred and twenty one
29:08
entries for people that don't appear in Epstein's previously known
29:12
address book, which dates to the early two thousands, near
29:15
late a decade later. Many of those people are prominent
29:19
figures in the political, financial, and cultural elite who had
29:23
never previously been connected to Epstein before. The book also
29:28
contains entries for more than one hundred people who appear
29:31
in both books, which help us trace known Epstein relationships
29:35
back to the nineties. So yeah, the cross referencing is huge.
29:39
If you're in this both of the both of these books,
29:42
how can you possibly expect anyone to believe that you
29:45
and Epstein weren't homies? How do you expect anyone to
29:48
believe that y'all warn't breaking bread and hanging out and
29:51
doing whatever it is sick disgusting pricks like you do?
29:56
Because I'm not believing it, I mean somebody else might.
29:59
I guess people might want to believe whatever they want
30:01
to believe. I'm not in the business of telling anyone
30:04
what the think or do, but personally, yeah, zero chance
30:09
I'm believing any of you scumbags that are.
30:11
Speaker 2: In these books.
30:15
Speaker 1: Overall, the book contains much fewer entries than its successor,
30:18
and the people listed are primarily located in the United States.
30:22
By contrast, Epstein's later address book contains entries from more
30:27
than fifteen hundred people, many of whom are located internationally,
30:31
with particular particular large networks in London and Paris. That
30:36
suggests that the decades between about nineteen ninety five and
30:40
about two thousand and five was significant in widening of
30:43
Epstein's orbit, or could have just had two separate books
30:48
right ran out of room and won put in the other. Look,
30:52
there's no doubt that his orbit expanded monstrously, no doubt
30:58
about that at all. But this guy's abuse obviously goes
31:03
all the way back to the seventies. That's why when
31:05
I say decades of abuse, I don't just mean the
31:08
early two thousands. I'm talking four or five decades at
31:11
this point, folks, pretty much this guy's whole life. That's
31:17
because this isn't learned behavior. He was born screwed up
31:20
with his wires crossed. This dude was born a sick,
31:24
disgusting animal. O'Connell, Joshua, How did you determine that this
31:31
book actually belonged to Epstein? Answer by Keenan Trotter, now
31:36
one of the other authors. The tricky thing about this
31:39
story is that in the absence of time travel, or
31:44
excuse me, in the absence of time or travel, there
31:46
is no consistent or reliable method for determining whether a
31:50
particular object belonged to a particular person. But as we
31:55
explain in the story, the book has a number of
31:58
properties that strongly suggest this book did in fact belong
32:02
to Epstein or one of his assistants in the nineteen nineties.
32:07
And with all of these names, addresses and all of
32:11
that stuff, it's rather obvious that this is Jeffrey Epstein's
32:16
address book, right, or one of his associates, unless, of course,
32:19
it is some kind of top end forgery or fake
32:24
which you know, Look, I'm not somebody who is trained
32:28
and what's real or what's not as far as documentation goes,
32:31
So I'll leave it to the experts that they employed
32:33
here and then paneled here. But you know, That's definitely
32:37
something that came to my mind right away when I.
32:39
Speaker 2: Heard about this black book. Is it real?
32:41
Speaker 1: Could it be something that is falsified? Did Team Maxwell
32:45
Team Epstein put this piece into play onto the chessboard
32:48
out a certain You know, again, I'm probably giving them
32:52
much too much credit for being slick, but I'm certainly
32:57
not going to underestimate the people that we're dealing with here.
33:01
One thing you never want to do is underestimate people
33:04
like this.
33:08
Speaker 2: Wang.
33:08
Speaker 1: To rule out the possibility that the book was forger altered,
33:12
we hired a forensic document examiner to study the book.
33:15
The document examiner determined that the book dates between nineteen
33:19
ninety five and two thousand. For some reason, I just
33:22
had a vision of the show Stars when I was
33:26
reading that, and it's like they show up with the
33:30
book there and they're asking Rick. They're like, so is
33:32
this book legit? Is this really Epstein's book? And the
33:36
dudes at Pond Stars are like, you know, I don't know,
33:38
but I got an expert for that. That's the scenario
33:42
I just had playing out when they're talking about this
33:45
forensic document examiner. We also scrutinize the book's entries. It
33:53
contains comprehensive entries for all of Epstein's estates, consistent with
33:57
the properties he owned in the mid nineties, with details
34:00
down to alarm codes and internet modem lines. So that's significant,
34:04
right as far as proving that this book is real
34:10
and not altered or fake or whatever. With all of
34:12
that documentation, I'm sure that goes a long way to
34:16
solidifying the fact that this book actually belonged to someone
34:20
in Epstein's atmosphere, or in fact Epstein himself just come.
34:28
His Paris apartment, which he purchased in the early two thousands,
34:31
isn't there. Neither is his private island, Little Saint James,
34:35
which he acquired in nineteen ninety eight. Although the book
34:38
does contain the contact information for the wife of the
34:41
man from whom Epstein purchased the island. The book also
34:45
contains detailed entries for Epstein's relatives whose addresses matched residences
34:50
we found in public records searches. Yeah, that's a that's
34:55
a little shifty there. I don't think i'd be publishing
34:57
anybody's address. Honestly, there's a lot of unhinged people out there,
35:02
and a lot of people who have let a reality
35:07
escape them. So you got to be really careful when
35:11
you're publishing any kind of documentation about who people are,
35:14
where they live, or anything like that, because we're in
35:18
an environment where people take things too far a lot
35:21
of times, folks. Not everybody is a right thinking person
35:24
like you. Not everybody as somebody who can, you know,
35:30
harness their emotions and not get carried away. You know,
35:33
there's one thing. It's one thing to rant and rave
35:36
and to you know, partake in civil disobedience. But when
35:41
you start getting involved in any sort of violence or
35:43
criminal behavior or you know, destroying property or anything like that,
35:48
that's where you and I diverge and buy fur kate
35:51
because I'm not down with any of that shit. That's
35:53
not how things get done. Things get done by civil
35:56
disobedience by a populace that will not be cal by
36:00
a militaristic police department or government. They want you to
36:04
fight back, they want you to be violent, they want
36:07
you to wild the fuck out.
36:08
Speaker 2: That's what they.
36:09
Speaker 1: Want, so don't give it to them. We also divided
36:16
up calls to prominent people listed in the book who
36:19
had never previously been connected with Epstein before. More than
36:22
a dozen told us on the record that they had
36:24
met Epstein in the nineties. Megan Morris. I called people
36:29
I knew who appeared in the book without referencing the
36:31
books October nineteen ninety seven annotation. I asked them about
36:35
their valid time period for their addresses and numbers. Multiple
36:39
sources told me their information was correct only between nineteen
36:42
ninety five and two thousand, which served as one, but
36:46
certainly not the only validation point. So when you have
36:50
something like this and you're trying to make sure it's valid,
36:53
you're trying to make sure it's not a fugazi. You
36:56
got to go through all of the methods and the
36:58
steps right and the timeline and make sure everything lines up.
37:03
To explain that Epstein's assistance would contact them irregularly to
37:07
update their contact information throughout the years.
37:11
Speaker 2: My sources verified.
37:12
Speaker 1: Some of the entries that refer to information that doesn't
37:15
appear in any public records, including numbers for retire technology
37:19
like carphones and pagers. God damn imagine, I remember I
37:24
had a pager. Boy, I'll tell you what I thought.
37:26
I was king of the world. I had this real
37:27
cool ass purple one that my grandfather had bought me.
37:30
You know, state of the art back in the day,
37:32
had all of the scores for the baseball, football, hockey
37:36
games that rolled across it. I was the king of
37:38
the world with that thing. Yeah that's right, folks, I know,
37:41
I know, sixteen years old and already betting on sports.
37:44
I'm Italian, all right, I get a pass, got me
37:47
some flag away. But I can't even imagine having a
37:53
pager anymore. Imagine remember how inconvenient it was for those
37:56
of you who were old enough to have one. I
37:58
would have to like, stop, you jump out, go to
38:00
a payphone. Hey, you got some quarters, got to make
38:03
your phone call. Call somebody back. I can't even imagine
38:07
not having a cell phone anymore, O'Connell, Joshua, How did
38:13
you go about contacting people in the book? Answered by Wang,
38:17
we attempted to reach four dozen people who struck us
38:20
as notable and who had never publicly been connected to
38:23
Epstein before. We wanted to better understand what their relationships
38:27
with Epstein were like, if any, and to verify the
38:31
information in the book. So that's the right way to
38:34
go about it, right, You start calling numbers in the
38:36
book and you do the legwork. If you're gonna be
38:38
an investigative journalist. If you're gonna be somebody who's on
38:41
the case, you're gonna have to do the legwork. And
38:44
that's what's going on here. And the Nick Bryant is
38:47
certainly somebody that is willing to do the legwork. And
38:51
he has this whole other team assembled, and it sure
38:53
looks like they covered all of their bases, folks, And
38:56
they were very, very thorough when it came to making
39:01
sure that this document's legit. Although I was met with
39:06
suspicion and reluctance more often than not, I was surprised
39:10
that several people I called were very open about crossing
39:13
paths with Epstein, though they all emphasized that they barely
39:17
knew him. Of course, right confirm but distance. Oh yeah,
39:21
I knew Epstein back in the day. We used to
39:22
go over to the Egg and I and have some breakfast.
39:25
Speaker 2: But I don't know him.
39:26
Speaker 1: No, what you don't know him?
39:27
Speaker 2: Why you went his address book? Bro?
39:29
Speaker 1: What do you mean you don't know him? A lot
39:33
of these smarmy sons of bitches in business or politics,
39:37
they've been able to get over with that shit. Oh
39:39
I hardly know Jeffrey Upstain, Yeah, Okay, sure you do, Morris.
39:44
My phone calls ranged from immediate hang ups to long conversations.
39:48
Many people, often through their legal or public relations representatives,
39:52
declined to comment. I was surprised that some big finance
39:56
names did not seek to explain their relationship with Epstein,
39:59
particularly in light of the fallout for Epstein Link Apollo
40:02
co founder Leon Black, and to a lesser extent, a
40:06
hedge fund billionaire Glenn Dubin. Lesser extent only because the
40:10
media has made it to a lesser extent, We've been
40:13
pounding them drums forever here on this podcast. Glenn Duben
40:16
is definitely in my crosshairs. Every Let's be very clear,
40:21
every single person named by Virginia who has taken place,
40:24
took part in abusing her, is directly in my crosshairs.
40:27
Speaker 2: And I believe.
40:30
Speaker 1: Committed the acts that they're being alleged to commit. I
40:34
believe Virginia's story. How about that one hundred percent hook line?
40:37
Sinker all of it. So run home and tell David
40:40
Oscar Marcus that a representative for TPG co founder David Bonderman,
40:49
for example, declined to comment on the entry for the
40:52
private equity titan who has six phone in fax numbers listed,
40:56
including for his second home. Yeah, as if David Bonderman's
40:59
going to ant to you, you pleabs, How dare you
41:02
I'm a hedge fund manager as he dives off the
41:09
top rope into his bajillion dollars of gold coins. What
41:14
do you think these people believe they owe you an explanation?
41:18
You think these people feel that they should be held
41:21
to the same level of justice that you or I
41:24
are held to.
41:25
Speaker 2: Stop it.
41:28
Speaker 1: I was also surprised by people who denied ever knowing Epstein.
41:32
Perhaps a more believable claim for those who just had
41:35
an office address or phone listed, then for those whose
41:38
entries included contact information from multiple vacation homes, car phones,
41:43
and family members.
41:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, I highly.
41:45
Speaker 1: Doubt Glene Maxwell and the team just started putting numbers
41:49
into these books. What do they just go to the
41:51
Yellow Pages, open it up and get all of the
41:54
elites of the world's phone numbers and put them in
41:57
this book.
41:58
Speaker 2: Stop it.
41:58
Speaker 1: They were in this book because they were all on contact.
42:00
They all ran in the same circles. Like I always say,
42:04
at the very least folks, fellow travelers, people who did
42:10
not speak to me. People who did speak to me
42:12
said they had largely weak connections with Epstein and recounted
42:15
anecdotes that showed how Epstein's ties proliferated casually, like New
42:20
York billionaire John Castematis, who said he happened to meet
42:25
Epstein while in a friend's office. You know, it was
42:27
always so casual, right, always so nonchalant. Oh, I happened
42:30
to run into Epstein while I was getting breakfast stop.
42:34
It sure are a lot of coincidences that they want
42:38
us to believe O'Connell, Joshua. How long did it take
42:43
to finish your reporting on this story? Wang? The reporting
42:47
process took about six months from start to finish. I
42:50
started by pulling all of the text out of the
42:52
scan copy of the book and organizing the book's entries
42:56
into a spreadsheet. Because we had tabulated Epstein's I are
43:00
known Little Black Book, I was able to programmatically compare
43:04
all the names between the two rolodexes, isolating those that
43:08
were unique as well as those that appeared in both books.
43:12
That allowed my colleagues to start the process of identifying
43:15
notable figures and determining who to reach out to. Boy
43:19
isn't technology grand whip yourself up a spreadsheet here and
43:23
have everything rocking and rolling in the right direction, as
43:26
opposed to the old days when you had to do
43:27
that all you know by hand, have like a punch
43:31
chart on the wall like a maniac and shit. In
43:35
March I drove to Vermont alongside a cinematographer from our
43:39
video team to interview Chris Halali and to retrieve the
43:42
address book in person. We then referred it to the
43:45
forensic document examiner, whose investigation took about a month. So
43:51
they rolled right up there, got the book, took it back,
43:54
gave it to this forensic analysis person, and that person
43:59
did their work and said, look, this is a legit
44:02
document and this has not been forged O'Connell, Joshua. What
44:08
were the challenges of reporting out a story like this Trotter?
44:12
One challenge revolved around the planning process, like how exactly
44:16
are we going to report this story? What sort of
44:19
things would provide some degree of confidence about the book's providence,
44:23
How much can we learn about this book in the
44:25
first place. Certain rabbit holes were another challenge. For example,
44:30
it took several weeks and a lot of phone calls
44:32
to figure out when Rico stopped selling the specific type
44:35
of book binding equipment that was used to create the book.
44:39
Rico actually had to perform their own internal research involving
44:43
employees in the United States, Europe, and Japan, and from
44:47
my experience with Rico, that must have taken forever. Can't
44:50
even get a technician to come out and fix my
44:52
printer at work. Pain in the ass. These people are
44:57
morris just the mention of Jeffrey Epstein' out. Lawyers and
45:00
other representatives keen to protect their wealthy clients' reputations. Nobody
45:05
cares go ahead and try and harvest and protect your
45:09
client's reputations because guess what we're coming. We're coming, and
45:14
there's nothing anybody can do to stop this train that
45:17
has left the station. November is coming up quickly, folks,
45:22
very quickly. Some of those emissaries place significant pressure on
45:29
us to avoid mentioning their clients, will also declining to
45:32
explain on the record how those people knew Epstein. Despite
45:36
the opposition, we prioritize the public's interest in knowing with
45:39
whom Epstein associated. Meanwhile, for less famous individuals, we weigh
45:45
the risks of public scrutiny with the need for a
45:47
fuller accounting of Epstein's network. Yeah, I think that there
45:51
is definitely a balancing act that has to be performed, right.
45:57
You got to be careful who you're outing here and
45:59
who you're you know, talking about. So I usually use
46:02
the court documents and survivor's own accounts for verification on
46:08
people I discuss here on the podcast. Now, other people
46:11
can do stuff differently. That's up to them. Like I
46:13
always say, I'm only responsible for what happens here on
46:16
this podcast and what comes out of my fat mouth.
46:21
I don't speak for anybody else, and most certainly nobody
46:25
speaks for me. Oconnell, Joshua. How important is this additional
46:32
black book and helping us understand Epstein and his world?
46:36
Speaker 2: Morris?
46:37
Speaker 1: The book offers a snapshot of Epstein's network in the nineties,
46:40
helping us trace many more of his associations with the
46:43
rich and influential. The anecdotes we collected also confirm what
46:47
we've previously learned about Epstein, like his strength in devising
46:51
creative tax structures and his seemingly fleeting relationships with some
46:56
of the global elite as he built his network. That's
46:59
a nice way of saying money laundering and tax evasion,
47:02
devising creative tax structures. Yeah, he was money laundering, Okay,
47:07
point blank period. I've said that from the beginning. I
47:10
told you guys what was going on here. Go all
47:13
the way back to the first few episodes of this
47:15
podcast in twenty nineteen, and you'll see one of the
47:19
first episodes was Rico.
47:20
Speaker 2: For God's sakes, the.
47:23
Speaker 1: Whole entire operation and everybody connected, all of these rich
47:27
and powerful people could all be dragged into this if
47:30
this was a Rico case. So that's why they're not
47:33
doing it. I wanted to give the government the benefit
47:36
of the doubt after they arrested Maxwell, that we were
47:39
going to see some Rico charges. Oh, we got the
47:41
superseded indictment, but not even the Man Act. So forgive
47:47
me if I have no faith in Maureen Comy. Epstein's
47:53
address book frustratingly raises more questions than it answers about
47:57
the specifics of many of his associations, but it gives
48:01
us another tool as we chip away at Epstein's web
48:04
of social, philanthropic and business ties that propelled his assent.
48:10
Speaker 2: Yeah.
48:10
Speaker 1: Definitely foundation blocks, right, that's what we're doing here, We're
48:13
building the foundation. Try not to get ahead of ourselves.
48:17
We'll build up this foundation, get it nice and strong,
48:20
and then let them try and break it right, Let
48:26
them try and pitch their bullshit narrative when all of
48:29
the facts are available. It's easy to pitch a narrative
48:32
when everything's sealed, everything's under court order, and the public
48:36
can't know about the things that occurred. Well, the cat's
48:39
out of the bag, the genies out of the bottle,
48:42
Pandora's box has been opened, and nothing's going back in.
48:46
And the rich, the elite and all of their minions
48:50
are scared shitless. Just look how they've pumped the divisiveness
48:54
into overdrive.
49:03
Speaker 2: Trotter.
49:04
Speaker 1: It might be too early to say the book is
49:06
one piece, or maybe several related pieces, of a still
49:09
unfinished puzzle, and so much reporting on Epstein, including this effort,
49:14
builds on the work of others. We analyze the book
49:17
and its contents to the best of our ability, but
49:19
we can't necessarily anticipate what others will notice, what names
49:23
they might recognize. If publishing this book accomplishes anything, I
49:27
hope it advances the broader effort across both news media
49:31
and civil society to solve the remaining mysteries around Epstein. Well,
49:38
I hear you there, and at least they admit that
49:40
their work is building on top of what others have
49:42
already put out there. Look, this road was paved a
49:46
very long time ago. A lot of people have been
49:49
talking about Epstein and ringing the bells for a very
49:52
long time. And if the legacy media would just do
49:57
their job and do it from a unbiased perspective and
50:01
not worry about the political ramifications of their reporting, we'd
50:05
be a lot further along, and I truly believe there
50:08
would be a lot more indictments. But unfortunately, our ruling class,
50:13
the so called elite, and their symbiotic pals over there
50:17
in the legacy media have other ideas. They have other plans,
50:22
But guess what, so did Hans Gruber before John McClain
50:28
showed up. If you'd like to contact me, you can
50:32
do that at Bobby Kapuci at ProtonMail dot com. That's
50:35
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50:40
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