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Jaguars Reporters: February 22 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: He fills his team what did at Rossiter and he
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Speaker 1: gets his coaches to accept what we have now, guys,
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Speaker 1: let's go coaching. Welcome to Jaguars Reporters presented by t
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Speaker 1: I A A Bank with Brian Sexton, John Oser, Ashlyn
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Speaker 1: Sullivan and K. P. Scheffer. Jaguars Reporters presented by t
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Speaker 1: I A A Bank starts right now. Hello, and welcome
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Speaker 1: to Jaguars Reporters. We've reached the end of February March
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Speaker 1: right around the corner, and that begins obviously a new
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Speaker 1: two thousand, twenty one NFL calendar. So Brian Sexton, along
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Speaker 1: with Ashlyn Sullivan, J P. Shadrick is in the house,
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Speaker 1: and of course John Oser is with us as well.
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Speaker 1: Let's start with Jaguars this week Here on Jaguars Reporters,
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Speaker 1: it's the news of the week, and there's not a
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Speaker 1: ton right now, but a couple of things worth noting.
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Speaker 1: We mentioned last week there was a big Twitter thing
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Speaker 1: to try to propel teal to be the primary color.
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Speaker 1: It's an abody's surprised that it is. They won it. Brian, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: as a guy who's been here forever and I can
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Speaker 1: remember in the mid nineties when Teal was a no
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Speaker 1: brain or thing. I I didn't think about that much.
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Speaker 1: I'm not a uniform guy. Does this strike your does
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Speaker 1: this strike anybody's passion? Or is it just is everybody
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Speaker 1: like me. I'm glad for the fans who seemed to
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Speaker 1: really care about it, and I'm glad for them. I
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Speaker 1: guess it's just not my jam to use the word
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Speaker 1: the young kids use. Yeah, this is not like you
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Speaker 1: remember what And JP will know this because he was
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Speaker 1: a Cowboys fan. There's a kid you know that it
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Speaker 1: used to be. You know, the Cowboys never won in blue,
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Speaker 1: so the Cowboys never wanted to wear their blue jerseys.
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Speaker 1: Just didn't win in blue. Um, and you don't see
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Speaker 1: them more blue very often. This isn't that right. It's
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Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with color schemes and wins
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Speaker 1: and losses in any of that. It's just that when
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars came into the league, t was unique to
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Speaker 1: this team. Now, there may be some feel somewhere else.
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Speaker 1: I don't think there is, but Teal is their uniqueness.
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Speaker 1: Every team has a black jersey, right, I mean the
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Speaker 1: Eagles have black jerseys for goodness sakes and their primary
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Speaker 1: colors are green and white. I never really I understood
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Speaker 1: they were. They were using it as a third in
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Speaker 1: an alternative and a marketing thing. Um, But I always,
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Speaker 1: I always like the teal on white look. And I
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Speaker 1: may be the odd bird that thinks I like the
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Speaker 1: white on teal too with the teal pants. Um, I'd
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Speaker 1: be happy if those are the two uniform combinations. I'm
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Speaker 1: not losing the sleep over it, but as an original
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Speaker 1: around here and someone from the very beginning, I would
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Speaker 1: say I like teal as a primary color more than
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Speaker 1: I liked black as a primary color. So remember back
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Speaker 1: in the early nineties three, that's when the Florida Marlins
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Speaker 1: were added in Major League Baseball and teal was their
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Speaker 1: primary color. I think they were the first major sports
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Speaker 1: team to have teal, and it became the rage the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars had it. I think if there was any new franchise,
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Speaker 1: new team in the earlier mid nineties, they were probably
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Speaker 1: going to be teal. That was the hot color. The
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Speaker 1: Birmingham Billy Goats would have been the teal Billy Goats.
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Speaker 1: Like if you whatever, the team is, right, But it
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Speaker 1: is a classic look because it was the first look.
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Speaker 1: And I'm as a classic uniform. Guys you can find
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Speaker 1: being an Alabama fan like if they change that uniform
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Speaker 1: there will be panic in the streets of Tuscaloosa because
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Speaker 1: they've had that uniform combination for forty years. I like
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Speaker 1: traditional basic uniforms. Penn State love it. No names, just
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Speaker 1: play white with a blue stripe down the middle. So
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Speaker 1: this goes back to the original. I love it, and
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Speaker 1: I'm glad to're glad to see it. I love it
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Speaker 1: as the fashionis step of the group is very easy
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Speaker 1: to accessorize with and match with. As a girl that
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Speaker 1: had to do blue and orange for many years, this
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Speaker 1: is fabulous. I'm with it. You know, this is the
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Speaker 1: problem with JP. You mentioned Alabama and UH and Penn State,
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Speaker 1: two programs with a long history of winning. Um. These
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Speaker 1: conversations are problems for winning teams, winning programs, winning franchises.
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Speaker 1: I think Draguards fans would rather, you know, let's talk
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Speaker 1: about winning and then when we win, win, win, win win.
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Speaker 1: You know that we're best with the color schemes, but
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Speaker 1: let's win win win win win. First, wait, wait, wain
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Speaker 1: win Remember when Dante Fowler said that to you on
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Speaker 1: the video board, Ryan, Yeah, that's that's that's why it's
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Speaker 1: in my head right now, Queen. Alright, so heel's the
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Speaker 1: primary color. And to be honest with you, we got
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Speaker 1: more out of that than, uh, than anything else. I
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Speaker 1: didn't think we'd get that much. We do have Carson
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Speaker 1: Wentz making his way into the a f C South
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Speaker 1: with JP's got that a little bit later in everyone asked,
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Speaker 1: so we'll hold off on that, uh, And then the
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Speaker 1: Korean Kassam the new captain. I mean, he's football strategy.
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Speaker 1: His resume is incredibly impressive. This is a very bright
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Speaker 1: man and I'm assuming that gets background. He's in numbers analytics,
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Speaker 1: he's Harvard educated. I mean, the Jaguars are there. What
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Speaker 1: did urban Meyer say? The best of the best. And
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Speaker 1: he wasn't just talking about the weight room apparently, or
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Speaker 1: the uniform color. He was talking about, you know, putting
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Speaker 1: guys in positions. So they've made some adjustments to the
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Speaker 1: discounting department as well. Yeah, so I think this, um,
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Speaker 1: I think they buried the lead on that press release.
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Speaker 1: Tony CON's the chief football strategy officer. He's also the
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Speaker 1: owner of the team. But this because some guy reports
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Speaker 1: to Tony the way I understand it. So I think
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Speaker 1: making that an official thing in that press release about
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Speaker 1: Tony Cohn was really the first time we've seen that.
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Speaker 1: Not that he needed that, he is the owner of
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Speaker 1: the team, but I think that kind of buried the
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Speaker 1: lead a little bit, and I think that was probably
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Speaker 1: on purpose. We gotta find Tony, we gotta get him
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Speaker 1: on this program at some point and asked him, uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, because here's the question. Isn't the head coach
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Speaker 1: the chief strategy officer? Right? Isn't that what the coach does?
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Speaker 1: Obviously he's got a different a different view of it,
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Speaker 1: you know, And what his vision for what he's going
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Speaker 1: to be doing is, um, we can only guess, but
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Speaker 1: we may. Let's try to run him down and find
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Speaker 1: him in one of these weeks if we can, and
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Speaker 1: get him on to explain this department, because there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of brain power over on that side of the
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Speaker 1: hallway now trying to help build the winning program. All Right,
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Speaker 1: that's Shagworth this week, the news that we have for you.
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Speaker 1: Let's let's transition ever so gently into big things. I
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Speaker 1: don't know why, we don't know why we go gently,
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Speaker 1: maybe just without trick and gracefully is probably the best word.
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Speaker 1: We're transitioning now gracefully, gracefully, gracefully two big things, and
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Speaker 1: leading us off is Ashlan Sullivan. Ah. Yes, So Trevor Lawrence,
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Speaker 1: come one overall pick you're gonna have? That is John
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Speaker 1: taking a picture on my plane right now. No, I'm
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Speaker 1: trying to Okay, I've got to say better delete that
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Speaker 1: right now. This is an audio only podcast. I didn't
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Speaker 1: plan my outfit for this. Jaguar should bring in a
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Speaker 1: veteran quarterback presence as now the quarterback room Gardner Minshew,
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Speaker 1: Jake Luton, Mike Glennan, who is a free agent. I
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Speaker 1: think we all can agree if you're gonna bring in
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, you can't have Gardner Minshew in that. It
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Speaker 1: just causes too much drama, too much controversy. You do
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Speaker 1: not want any sort of competition in your quarterback room
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Speaker 1: with Trevor Lawrence in there. So my argument is that
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Speaker 1: you need a veteran presence, and you have a quarterback
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Speaker 1: coach and an offensive coordinator passing game coordinator. That's all great,
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Speaker 1: but Trevor Lawrence coming in as a rookie, you meet
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Speaker 1: a veteran in that room that he can trust. And
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Speaker 1: lean On. I'm not totally sold on that being Mike Glennon.
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Speaker 1: I think it would work if it needed to, But
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Speaker 1: we're still looking at this free agency list. I'm thinking
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Speaker 1: maybe and Andy Dalton, who's been in the league many
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Speaker 1: many years, thirty four years old and has seen something. So, Brian,
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Speaker 1: what do you think I think you need to bring
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Speaker 1: in a veteran guy along with the rookie. Well, I've
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Speaker 1: not against it at all. There is something to having
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Speaker 1: that extra brain in the room. I and there will
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Speaker 1: be people that will bring this up and they'll use
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Speaker 1: the word to mentor Trevor Lawrence. I don't think Trevor
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Speaker 1: Lawrence needs any mentorran. Uh what Trevor Lawrence could use
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Speaker 1: as a set of eyes that have seen everything before?
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Speaker 1: You know, Chad Henny um Patrick Mahomes just loves and
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Speaker 1: lauds in Kansas City. You know that kind of guy
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Speaker 1: who comes in knowing his role. I don't know. I
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Speaker 1: mean I read somebody wrote why not Alex Smith, who
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Speaker 1: was Urban Meyer's quarterback when he was in Utah when
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Speaker 1: he was back there in college. So yeah, I wouldn't
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Speaker 1: be opposed to bringing in I think it's a wise decision. I.
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Speaker 1: I don't think you can have Gardner Minshew in the
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Speaker 1: room because he brings a group of people that are
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Speaker 1: so passionate behind him. I think that becomes a distraction.
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Speaker 1: Um I would, I would, I would look pably if
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Speaker 1: that's the right term on them finding the right personality
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Speaker 1: to work with Trevor Lawrence. But I don't think Trevor
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Speaker 1: Lawrence needs somebody to mentor him. He's fine, John. I
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Speaker 1: think he there is that Brian said no, his role
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Speaker 1: the guy that you bring in well, and that's the
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Speaker 1: thing that we don't know about Gardner. I mean, if
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Speaker 1: Gardner is really wanting to start and is passionate about it,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean I'm not sure what don't
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Speaker 1: accept means because if the coach says, hey, you're not starting,
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Speaker 1: then you're gonna accept it. But yeah, I the role
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Speaker 1: for that veteran guy, you would think needs to be more.
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Speaker 1: When they're sitting around the film room and Schottenheimer doesn't
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Speaker 1: happen to be in the room on those rare occasions,
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Speaker 1: can Lawrence have somebody look over and go, hey did
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Speaker 1: I see that right? And the guy goes yeah. The
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Speaker 1: safety moved on that play and this is the read Okay,
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Speaker 1: got it? You know, just that constant you know, if
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Speaker 1: you're if you're not quite sure about something, and then
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Speaker 1: you have the confirmation that you're right or you're wrong
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Speaker 1: or whatever. The X factor here is if it's Dalton,
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Speaker 1: if it's somebody like Alex Smith, there's two things into play.
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Speaker 1: Are they ready to absolutely say okay, I know I'm
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Speaker 1: not starting, I'm going to be there for this kid,
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Speaker 1: or do they still have starter aspirations? And then there's
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Speaker 1: the cost. They're gonna be eight or nine million dollars.
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Speaker 1: I mean, good backup vetteran quarterbacks like that cost a
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Speaker 1: lot of money. Did Jaguars have that cap room? Is
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Speaker 1: that something you want to spend it on? We'll see.
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Speaker 1: I'm curious you were mentioning Alex Smith. I think he's
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Speaker 1: got another year left of this contract in Washington, but
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Speaker 1: there is the dead cap number goes down. I think
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Speaker 1: so if they needed to cut bait for some reason,
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Speaker 1: they could, But the story was so great up there.
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Speaker 1: I think that would be a perfect addition if he
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Speaker 1: were to come free. You won't you just want a
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Speaker 1: guy that can, as you said, you don't. I don't
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Speaker 1: think you need to mentor him off the field. It's
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Speaker 1: an extra set. I has to see things in football land,
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Speaker 1: if you will, x as and os that maybe you
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Speaker 1: haven't seen at the NFL level. You need somebody can
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Speaker 1: just go in and play. If God forbid, Trevor gets
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Speaker 1: hurt a game or two, go in and manage the
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Speaker 1: team and get them in and out of the huddle,
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Speaker 1: and you know, run the offense as close to normal
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Speaker 1: as possible. So whether that's a guy who's been around
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Speaker 1: for two years, three years, you can do that, or
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Speaker 1: a guy who's been around six seven eight, like a
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Speaker 1: Chad Henny. At that point, I think it's just whoever
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Speaker 1: can get it done if Trevor is not available for
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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. I don't even recall who was
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Speaker 1: who was Peyton Manning's back up in the early years. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I know it was Painter at one point, Curtis Painter,
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Speaker 1: but I can't recall how what was their approach with
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Speaker 1: a guy like that, with the franchise caliber quarterback in
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Speaker 1: the early years. I want to say it was I
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Speaker 1: was not there the first four years as a kid
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Speaker 1: who wound up going to Cleveland, and I forget his name,
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Speaker 1: It was mid the fourth or fifty year guy at
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Speaker 1: that point. The problem they ran into later in Peyton's
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Speaker 1: career was he took every snap and was never hurt.
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Speaker 1: If you remember, he missed no games. He started every
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Speaker 1: game from his rookie year until he was hurt in eleven.
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Speaker 1: He took every snap in practice and never uh that
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Speaker 1: came out of a game. So no veteran wanted to
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Speaker 1: go there because they knew it was it was sort
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Speaker 1: of a black hole and he really didn't need any
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Speaker 1: help on those fronts. So they had Jim Sorgi, who
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Speaker 1: was there forever because they drafted him because they couldn't
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Speaker 1: get a veteran free agent to go there. I don't
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Speaker 1: think that will be the case with Trevor Lawrence, although
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Speaker 1: again the Trevor or whoever the rookie is, it calls
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Speaker 1: into question. You know that guy is going to be
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Speaker 1: the guy. So if you have any thought of being
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Speaker 1: on the field barring injury, then you've really got to
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Speaker 1: be convinced, hey, this is your role now. I think
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Speaker 1: it was the need to convince Chad to go, Chad Hendy,
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Speaker 1: you know, to go do that with my homes because
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Speaker 1: he had reached a point in his career where is
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Speaker 1: obviously probably gonna be a starter. You know, Dalton and
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Speaker 1: Smith have still had some reps. If I'm there, people,
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Speaker 1: I could make the argument, Hey, if I get the
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Speaker 1: right break, I can start. So where do you find that?
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Speaker 1: Right next? All right? JP, big thing number two? What
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Speaker 1: you got? Well, the big thing for me today is that,
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, Trevor is a done deal. So you're
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Speaker 1: really worried about the number pick and the next few
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Speaker 1: weeks with the franchise tag window opening Tuesday, UH signings
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Speaker 1: of pending free agents if you like some of the
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Speaker 1: guys on your team before it gets the free agency,
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Speaker 1: and then once free agency opens on March all that
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Speaker 1: will really start to begin the process of determining the
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Speaker 1: approach at number twenty five. Things you feel in this
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Speaker 1: next three to four week window you might not have
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Speaker 1: to fill a number twenty five overall, you could anyway
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Speaker 1: to bolster position group. But that's my big thing, and
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Speaker 1: I think it's a lot of people feel that Trevor's
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Speaker 1: a done deal. I'll just go ahead and say it.
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Speaker 1: I think it's a done deal. So is really the
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Speaker 1: first round pick that we should really be concerned with?
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Speaker 1: After the next four weeks. Well do you think, Ashley,
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Speaker 1: I think it's been a done deal. This Twitter stuff
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Speaker 1: really just I know Brian says not to look at
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Speaker 1: Twitter at times, but it really just annoys me, Like,
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Speaker 1: why is this an argument? Why is this even a
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Speaker 1: talking point? Of course, it's a gun deal. It's been
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Speaker 1: a gun deal. Get me started. We won't John. You
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Speaker 1: know this, this may work perfectly for you to weigh
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Speaker 1: in with your big thing because mine kind of dovetails
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Speaker 1: with what JP is saying. So why don't you go
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Speaker 1: ahead and throw three out? That might spark a little
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Speaker 1: more meat in this conversation. Well, yea, I guess it
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Speaker 1: to done deal. I think the most fascinating thing is
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Speaker 1: gonna be I don't anticipate the Jaguars tipping their hand
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Speaker 1: on this until maybe a few days before the draft,
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Speaker 1: if at all. It just doesn't feel like they're gonna
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Speaker 1: come out and say I think they're gonna be the
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Speaker 1: team that says, yes, we're doing it, let's let's negotiate.
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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong. Where does Urban stand at Zach Wilson's
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Speaker 1: pro day? Is this? Is it two ft closer to
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Speaker 1: Zach Wilson If he stays two weeks closer. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you know, two ft closer. Does that mean he likes
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Speaker 1: them more? It's like in high school. I think he
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Speaker 1: likes me. The girl likes me. She looks over for
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Speaker 1: or if he doesn't talk to the head coach at
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Speaker 1: b y U, as long as he talked to Dabbo,
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Speaker 1: that's gonna be the entry. It's gonna be all over
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Speaker 1: Twitter at something. But we'll see a mock draft of
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Speaker 1: Zack Wilson at number one. I guarantee you there will
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Speaker 1: be some mock, some legitimate mock that says that. So
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Speaker 1: that's going to be the time. That's my big thing
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Speaker 1: is this, Zack Wilson is the best prospect talk last week,
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Speaker 1: that won't be the last week hear of it. I
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Speaker 1: still think it's Trevor and tell you here's something official,
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Speaker 1: but it's not. But buckle up. It's gonna be a
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Speaker 1: roller coaster, you know, and and let us let me
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Speaker 1: just go throw mine out there and then we'll really
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Speaker 1: get this going. See. I think the Jaguars are in
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Speaker 1: such a strong position in their build right for a
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Speaker 1: couple of reasons. One is they know who the quarterback is, right,
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Speaker 1: They're not spending a lot of time think about the Jets,
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Speaker 1: thick about the Panthers. You know, they're putting all of
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Speaker 1: their effort if you're if you believe what you read,
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Speaker 1: And there's been a lot out of Carolina in the
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Speaker 1: last couple of days about their efforts to go with
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Speaker 1: David Tepper pushing the envelope to get a franchise quarterback
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Speaker 1: in Charlotte. The Jaguars know what they're doing at quarterback
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Speaker 1: and they are focused. As JP said on the other
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Speaker 1: draft picks, they don't have to worry. Half the teams
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Speaker 1: in the league are worried about getting to the salary
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Speaker 1: cap at this point, and until this weekend we weren't
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Speaker 1: really even sure. We're not quite sure yet. It might
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Speaker 1: take up until the day before the league year opens
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Speaker 1: what that number is gonna be. The Jaggers don't have
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Speaker 1: to worry about cutting players. They are so much more
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Speaker 1: proactive than most of the other teams that they've already
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Speaker 1: decided what they want to do with their roster and
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Speaker 1: now they're out there looking at other guys who are
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Speaker 1: gonna shape free. They're ahead of these teams who are thinking,
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Speaker 1: how do I get to the cap? I need a quarterback.
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Speaker 1: How do I use what capitalized God to move up
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Speaker 1: and get one of these guys? And then which one
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Speaker 1: of these guys is it? The Jaguars are that team
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Speaker 1: that's just sitting there, you know, calmly, and I don't
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Speaker 1: know that their meetings are calm or anything like that,
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Speaker 1: but they're in a position where they can just sit
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Speaker 1: and and other teams have to plan. These guys are
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Speaker 1: out there executing their plan. There are a couple of
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Speaker 1: steps ahead. And then mix into that conversation the fact
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Speaker 1: that the expectations for this rebuild aren't going to be
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Speaker 1: as high as it is for some of the other
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Speaker 1: teams out there. So I think there, I think they're
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Speaker 1: sitting in a gre each spot because they can be proactive.
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Speaker 1: The difference, guys in Slynn between losing those couple of
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Speaker 1: games at the end of the season that Brian started
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Speaker 1: cheering for in two thousands fifteen. But um, think about
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Speaker 1: the amount of equity that you don't have to give up,
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Speaker 1: and if you couldn't even give like if you were
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Speaker 1: the Jet, if you're in the Jets position right now
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Speaker 1: and they called the Jaguars, say the Jets guy calls
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Speaker 1: the Jack and say, hey, what do you want for
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Speaker 1: the number one pick? It would be quartals of laughter.
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Speaker 1: There's nothing you can give. That's what I kept writing
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Speaker 1: at the end of the season. JP. You know you
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Speaker 1: have three D O zone every day. I ken't making
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Speaker 1: the point there is no trade trade number one. Yeah,
18:50
Speaker 1: I mean, and it sort of comes with the the
18:55
Speaker 1: Panthers are trying to trade what three picks and McCaffrey
18:59
Speaker 1: for Deshaun Watson, and that's the sort of package that
19:04
Speaker 1: it would have taken to even get the Jets on
19:08
Speaker 1: the phone. So thank goodness that they don't have to
19:12
Speaker 1: be giving up equity to move around. They have the
19:15
Speaker 1: number one pick and they have all these other picks.
19:17
Speaker 1: Do not get I'm not gonna have to give up.
19:19
Speaker 1: So yes, I agree with Brian, and that doesn't off
19:23
Speaker 1: I got a question since we're on this topic, Remember
19:27
Speaker 1: the Saints gave up their entire draft with Mike Dick
19:30
Speaker 1: as the head coach to go get Ricky Williams. Who
19:35
Speaker 1: would have been the pick otherwise if it wasn't Ricky Williams.
19:38
Speaker 1: Do you remember what do you mean? It as like,
19:42
Speaker 1: if they didn't trade the entire who would have picked
19:44
Speaker 1: number one? I don't. I don't remember off the top
19:46
Speaker 1: of my head. Well, that was that Tim cows was
19:56
Speaker 1: the number one pick they traded up to get Williams.
19:59
Speaker 1: That's there was a quarterback they were looking at from
20:02
Speaker 1: U C. L a um cade McNown Uh. He was
20:07
Speaker 1: in most mock drafts going to the going through the
20:12
Speaker 1: Saints that you're because they were not in a strong quarterback. Yeah,
20:15
Speaker 1: so I just pulled it up. Tim Couch one. I
20:18
Speaker 1: forgot that wasn't the number one pick. That was the
20:20
Speaker 1: number five pick in the draft that year. That's incredible. Uh,
20:24
Speaker 1: Tim Couch was one McNabb to Achille Smith was three
20:27
Speaker 1: to the Bengals, Edrin James to the Colts for then
20:30
Speaker 1: Ricky Williams five. But anyway, that that's what they had
20:33
Speaker 1: to do to move the five, which is just a
20:35
Speaker 1: crazy That was a wild scene. Yeah, really active in
20:40
Speaker 1: that draft too. That was the year that everybody assumed
20:45
Speaker 1: that Ricky Williams was the best running back in the draft.
20:48
Speaker 1: Everybody assumed the Colts were going to take him, and
20:51
Speaker 1: they shocked everybody by taking Edgeman. Nobody thought Edgren was
20:55
Speaker 1: going over Rickey and again it just kind of shows
20:59
Speaker 1: you pre draft speculation hot. Sometimes you gotta pick the
21:03
Speaker 1: guy that you believe. All Right, big things done, we
21:10
Speaker 1: cross it off our list. Does anyone, by the way,
21:13
Speaker 1: enjoy crossing things off there to do list as much
21:16
Speaker 1: as I can love to do list? Is felling a
21:21
Speaker 1: tree on your to do list today? Actually it is?
21:25
Speaker 1: But I won't be reporting till four o'clock. You guys,
21:29
Speaker 1: I don't know fashion, and this plannel is fashionable. Love flannel.
21:33
Speaker 1: That's nice. I think John termed in pearl jam flannel.
21:37
Speaker 1: So if if you're old enough to appreciate the grunge
21:41
Speaker 1: scene from Seattle back in the day, uhs gonna put
21:46
Speaker 1: on the ten album coming up? I love? John said,
21:49
Speaker 1: I have. I had cows to tend to and probably
21:54
Speaker 1: a little fence to repair as well. Yes, you guys,
21:57
Speaker 1: l I'm gonna be making a lot of money doing
21:59
Speaker 1: all these hobbies. Then you're gonna be calling and I'm
22:01
Speaker 1: not gonna help you. Al Right, Everyone asks, and we
22:07
Speaker 1: will start with me. I will ask if you guys
22:10
Speaker 1: think that the quarterback carousel is good for the National
22:14
Speaker 1: Football League. Who always likes to be in the limelight,
22:17
Speaker 1: always likes to have the conversation focused on on them,
22:21
Speaker 1: or if it's bad for football, and John will start
22:25
Speaker 1: with you. You know, there's a lot of activity out
22:27
Speaker 1: there right now. Good or bad. Yeah, I guess bad
22:36
Speaker 1: in this sense. I don't think it's bad that it
22:40
Speaker 1: can happen. I think it's it. It would probably be
22:43
Speaker 1: better for the league if somehow these things could happen
22:48
Speaker 1: and not create the crippling cap situations for teams. Um,
22:54
Speaker 1: So it's probably good in that sense. It's it's bad
22:59
Speaker 1: for the team that it's gotten to this point because
23:02
Speaker 1: when you have this sort of carousel, it's tough for
23:08
Speaker 1: the team to have built any continuity, and therefore it
23:10
Speaker 1: takes the level of play down overall. So I think
23:13
Speaker 1: it's probably better for the league if you don't have this,
23:17
Speaker 1: mainly because it's I think it's better for the league
23:21
Speaker 1: the more Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay for the course
23:23
Speaker 1: of his career situations. Yeah, you know, for years Philip
23:27
Speaker 1: Rivers was the Chargers and you knew it. It was
23:30
Speaker 1: the identity. When you saw his faith on ESPN, you
23:33
Speaker 1: knew the Chargers were coming on. I think that's overall good,
23:37
Speaker 1: but it's it's uh. I guess I'm talking to both sides.
23:39
Speaker 1: Of my mouth. It's it's a positive for the league
23:44
Speaker 1: that the guys can change and give teams hope. But
23:47
Speaker 1: I think it's better for team that they can hang
23:49
Speaker 1: onto their guy long term, better for brand identity if
23:52
Speaker 1: they were if they're in the same place. You know, JP, Uh,
23:56
Speaker 1: you see this gentleman who's coming on to work for
23:58
Speaker 1: the Jaguars chief. I'm not sure Karma Sam's title. Um,
24:04
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of brain power here. And I
24:07
Speaker 1: didn't think for one that that the Rams would be
24:10
Speaker 1: able to get out from underneath Jared Goff's contract. It
24:14
Speaker 1: was huge. I mean, throw Carson Winson there as well.
24:17
Speaker 1: You know, these there's massive amounts of both dead money
24:19
Speaker 1: to the team that's moving the player, and then of
24:21
Speaker 1: course the new team is is accepting some pretty hefty salaries. Um.
24:27
Speaker 1: It's interesting the league is all of a sudden at
24:30
Speaker 1: a position where now even the big crippling or what
24:34
Speaker 1: we thought were crippling contracts aren't preventing things from happening
24:37
Speaker 1: at the most important position on the field. Pretty amazing, right,
24:40
Speaker 1: and you know, considering what could happen with all these
24:43
Speaker 1: media contracts coming up. We saw the report the other
24:46
Speaker 1: day that they could, they're asking for double the money.
24:48
Speaker 1: I mean, then the pool just gets bigger down the
24:52
Speaker 1: line if that were to happen. So I'm kind of
24:54
Speaker 1: with John on the long term issue. With all these
24:58
Speaker 1: quarterbacks moving, the brand identity thing, you need that as
25:02
Speaker 1: a franchise. In the short term, it's great for the
25:06
Speaker 1: offseason news cycle, obviously in the NFL, because when quarterbacks move,
25:11
Speaker 1: and when quarterbacks are getting paid thirty million dollars a
25:15
Speaker 1: year move, that's the news and it dominates the sports see.
25:20
Speaker 1: So that's the good thing. The long term issue, I
25:23
Speaker 1: think is really is really could be the problem for
25:25
Speaker 1: the NFL if this continues. You know, in the social
25:28
Speaker 1: media world, Ashland and I know that's the world you're
25:30
Speaker 1: familiar with, UH and your generation in particular. Um, you know,
25:35
Speaker 1: it's tough to keep your attention. You know, the teams
25:39
Speaker 1: in the in the twenties, if you're not winning or
25:41
Speaker 1: if you're not splashing, you're not going to keep a
25:44
Speaker 1: lot of those folks attention. Do you see this as
25:46
Speaker 1: being something the league has to do to keep the
25:48
Speaker 1: attention the focus of you and your compatriots in your
25:52
Speaker 1: mid twenties. I don't think they have to do it,
25:55
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's going to change. I think
25:56
Speaker 1: for that point exactly, it keeps the NFL relevant. For example, book,
26:00
Speaker 1: I get up on ESPN here all morning long, and
26:03
Speaker 1: they might have talked about a different sport, they made it.
26:06
Speaker 1: They talked about the PGA maybe about ten minutes out
26:09
Speaker 1: of the hour long program, and it was all about
26:12
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz to Shaun Wants and where are they going
26:14
Speaker 1: at all kinds of analysts coming on. And that's why
26:16
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna see this change. Is this
26:18
Speaker 1: keeps the NFL relevant, especially in the off season. It
26:21
Speaker 1: makes money for the NFL, and I don't see this
26:23
Speaker 1: changing anytime soon. If ever, All right, John, you're to
26:27
Speaker 1: ask no, I was gonna say one last thing about that.
26:30
Speaker 1: It gets uh striking how quarterbacks always been important, but
26:37
Speaker 1: teams clearly now have decided if we're deficient there, we
26:42
Speaker 1: can't win it all. Like the Rams have been a
26:44
Speaker 1: competitive franchise, made the playoffs three of the last four years. Uh,
26:49
Speaker 1: I think one of the better head coaches in the league,
26:51
Speaker 1: a glamour franchise, and they decided it's worth it two
26:58
Speaker 1: restructure our calf. Take this hit the goff's gotten into
27:02
Speaker 1: the playoffs, but to take that couple of steps, they
27:07
Speaker 1: believe they've got to have some version of my you know,
27:09
Speaker 1: something better there, and they're willing to basically tear down
27:13
Speaker 1: their tap and take a huge risk to make that
27:16
Speaker 1: happen again. It just shows you the quarterback, which is
27:19
Speaker 1: always important, maybe even more important than than every Now,
27:23
Speaker 1: when's the last nine great one to win it all?
27:25
Speaker 1: Flack of back inn you know? So it's striking anyway.
27:31
Speaker 1: My question, uh, will the Jags tag camera Robinson resigned
27:38
Speaker 1: to a long term deal or just not meaning just
27:42
Speaker 1: let him go? H That I chose that because the
27:46
Speaker 1: tag dates coming up, uh for the time for tag
27:50
Speaker 1: is relatively fast approaching. Um, I think they're gonna wind
27:55
Speaker 1: up tagging them uh because it gives them a little flexibility.
28:00
Speaker 1: But that's just my guess, right, boys, remember thirty seconds,
28:04
Speaker 1: follow the rules, all right. I think I think they're
28:07
Speaker 1: going to offer him a decent contract. I don't think
28:11
Speaker 1: it's going to be something over the top. You know,
28:14
Speaker 1: George Warhop got solid play from him last year, and
28:17
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure what Warhop thinks because we're not
28:20
Speaker 1: in the building and around the coaches like we once
28:22
Speaker 1: have been. But I'll tell you this that I think
28:24
Speaker 1: it makes sense to try to keep him at a
28:26
Speaker 1: good number ten twelve million UM. But with the draft
28:30
Speaker 1: capital they have, if they don't get what they want,
28:31
Speaker 1: I think they let him walk and they draft him
28:35
Speaker 1: nice two seconds to spare well done. I think let
28:40
Speaker 1: me start my timer yourself. I think they tag him
28:45
Speaker 1: just like John said, I think you need the flexibility,
28:47
Speaker 1: especially with the new coaching staff. Even though you have
28:49
Speaker 1: George Warhop still is the offensive line coach. Coach Urban
28:52
Speaker 1: Meyer hasn't seen Cam Robinson play at the NFL level.
28:55
Speaker 1: I think you tag him. It gives you the flexibility
28:58
Speaker 1: to buy one more year and then see what happens.
29:01
Speaker 1: I don't think you let him walk. I think that
29:02
Speaker 1: would be dumb. He's a above average left tackle. I
29:05
Speaker 1: don't think you want to see him leave the building
29:07
Speaker 1: to that franchise. Tag Let you have some flexibility if
29:10
Speaker 1: buy you one year, let the coaching staff see what happens. Oh, Tim, yep,
29:16
Speaker 1: you're out of time, and you can start my clock now.
29:18
Speaker 1: Because I think that they'll Cam Robinson would love to
29:24
Speaker 1: go to the open market. What player wouldn't if you're
29:27
Speaker 1: one of the top left tackles coming out in free agency.
29:30
Speaker 1: But I think if you tag him, that gives you
29:33
Speaker 1: one less thing to worry about early in the draft
29:35
Speaker 1: this year, at least this year. If you don't like
29:38
Speaker 1: to tackle class coming out, maybe you tag him. If
29:41
Speaker 1: you really love the tackle class coming out at maybe
29:44
Speaker 1: you'll let him walk and then roll the dice and
29:47
Speaker 1: get your guy. Two minutes, two seconds to spare already?
29:53
Speaker 1: All right, JP, you next? Okay, I am up next.
29:57
Speaker 1: And we teased it earlier in this Jaguars for his podcast,
30:01
Speaker 1: and now we come full circle. Will Carson Wentz be
30:05
Speaker 1: an issue for the Jaguars in the division? He's traded over,
30:11
Speaker 1: he's back with his old offensive coordinator his first two
30:14
Speaker 1: years in the NFL when he was with the Philadelphia Eagles,
30:17
Speaker 1: of course, and Frank right, will he be comfortable enough
30:21
Speaker 1: to be a thorn in the Jaguars side? John, you
30:24
Speaker 1: want to start us? Yeah, I don't know. He's going
30:27
Speaker 1: to be a thorn in the side on the level
30:29
Speaker 1: of maybe Watson in in Houston. I think I think
30:33
Speaker 1: it's a good move for him. I think he will
30:37
Speaker 1: and he will pan out to be a good choice
30:39
Speaker 1: because of what you just said, JP, he's with right
30:42
Speaker 1: right knows how to use him. I think he's also
30:44
Speaker 1: with a better roster around him. I don't know that
30:47
Speaker 1: he's a franchise guy, but I think he'll make him better.
30:49
Speaker 1: I think he'll be close to what they want, but
30:52
Speaker 1: not a leak. Thank you, John hit It. I think
30:58
Speaker 1: the Colt as a whole will be a problem, but
31:00
Speaker 1: I don't think Carson Wants will be the issue. I
31:02
Speaker 1: think you can make the argument Cheval Lawrence coming to Jacksonville,
31:05
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz might be the fourth best quarterback in the
31:09
Speaker 1: a f C South. I think the Colts for the
31:11
Speaker 1: top five running game a top ten defense, there will
31:14
Speaker 1: be a problem. I think Carson Wentz is a complimentary piece,
31:17
Speaker 1: but I don't think the Jaguar should be losing sleep
31:20
Speaker 1: that Carson Wants is the Colts quarterback. They do have
31:23
Speaker 1: a complete roster. It feels like, Brian, what's your think? Well,
31:26
Speaker 1: I was rooting for the guy to go to Chicago.
31:28
Speaker 1: I was texting Johnny Filippo, the quarterbacks coach there, and say,
31:31
Speaker 1: please get this guy because the roster that the Colt
31:35
Speaker 1: tab is really good, and Carson Wentz doesn't have to
31:38
Speaker 1: carry this team for them to be a playoff team. Remember,
31:42
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers was with Frank Reich, and I thought Right
31:44
Speaker 1: got the most out of Rivers. I expect Right to
31:47
Speaker 1: get the most out of Wins. I'm not sure if
31:49
Speaker 1: easy a lead or not, but he's good enough with
31:50
Speaker 1: that roster to put them at the top of the
31:53
Speaker 1: a f C South short term right next to three years. Um,
31:57
Speaker 1: but that's enough, all right? Yes, and it's a good one.
32:05
Speaker 1: Are you confident with the wide receivers you have on
32:08
Speaker 1: this roster if you do not add this off season?
32:11
Speaker 1: And when I say add, I mean you go spend
32:14
Speaker 1: a ton of money and free agency to get a
32:15
Speaker 1: number one guy or you use maybe your top four
32:19
Speaker 1: picks on a wide receiver. If the Jaguars do not
32:22
Speaker 1: do that, John, are you comfortable with where the roster
32:26
Speaker 1: stands a wide receiver comfortable? I be a lot more
32:30
Speaker 1: comfortable with one more. I mean it's uh so, I
32:34
Speaker 1: guess my answer is no. And it's not a knock
32:37
Speaker 1: on d J or Levisca. I think those guys are
32:39
Speaker 1: are going to be very, very good, but I think
32:42
Speaker 1: in the NFL now, I think you need one more
32:44
Speaker 1: to that mix. So I don't know if that means
32:46
Speaker 1: a rob or if that means the top. But add
32:51
Speaker 1: one more and maybe have it be a bar pure
32:55
Speaker 1: speed guy already a rab JP. What are you thinking? Yeah,
32:59
Speaker 1: so I guess we're assuming that a lot of these
33:02
Speaker 1: guys are going to be free agents and Heeling Cole
33:04
Speaker 1: and Chris Conley and d D. Westbrook. So in that case,
33:09
Speaker 1: just by math, I'm not a math major. I took
33:12
Speaker 1: three classes and four years at Alabama and math. But
33:16
Speaker 1: you need more receivers on the field, So I say, yes,
33:19
Speaker 1: I need. You need a speed, speed speed guy, and
33:23
Speaker 1: that's what they don't have. I took all the classes
33:27
Speaker 1: they had in all three of them. Yes I did.
33:30
Speaker 1: Oh one was remedial, but that's okay. Brian, I'm under
33:37
Speaker 1: the impression that Healing Cole states with this equation. What
33:41
Speaker 1: do you think, especially if he stays, I'm comfortable with
33:45
Speaker 1: the group that's out there. You've got the size of
33:47
Speaker 1: the speed and I really like d J. Sharp's mindset.
33:50
Speaker 1: I think, well, MC knowl is a terrific Swiss Army
33:54
Speaker 1: life type of player, can do a lot of things.
33:56
Speaker 1: I like what we saw from college Johnson we know
33:58
Speaker 1: what healing cole can be. Now, if I could have
34:00
Speaker 1: a ROB, because I love a Rob personally, I'd like
34:03
Speaker 1: a Rob. But if you leave me with that group
34:05
Speaker 1: this year? Okay, alrighty, there you have it, Go get
34:10
Speaker 1: one more. We're not we try to provide it, all right.
34:16
Speaker 1: One last transition, folks, And there's some amazing little music
34:19
Speaker 1: going on right now? Is we go from everyone asks
34:23
Speaker 1: who did you hear this? And John? This week you
34:26
Speaker 1: caught up with Charlie Strong, who was the first and
34:29
Speaker 1: maybe one of the most important hires for Urban Meyer.
34:32
Speaker 1: What he does is he looks at his roster and
34:36
Speaker 1: he finds out, you know, what, what are we going
34:38
Speaker 1: to be good at? What do I have? And you're
34:40
Speaker 1: right from him going from Bowling Green to Utah when
34:44
Speaker 1: you had Alex Smith at quarterback and he did a
34:46
Speaker 1: lot of different things, and then from Utah to Florida
34:50
Speaker 1: where you first had Chris Lee and and then then
34:53
Speaker 1: you transition from Chris that Tim Tebow. We're just two
34:57
Speaker 1: totally different quarterbacks into into yearly in one year, right
35:01
Speaker 1: because because skirts uh, you know, Tebow comes in as
35:04
Speaker 1: a freshman and Chris was a senior. So then yeah,
35:06
Speaker 1: that transition, and then he goes Ohio State and all
35:09
Speaker 1: the different quarterbacks that he had there. So he finds out,
35:13
Speaker 1: he sees what he has within his roster, and then
35:16
Speaker 1: he builds it. He builds his team within at roster,
35:19
Speaker 1: and he gets his coaches to accept what we have. Now, guys,
35:24
Speaker 1: let's go coach him and and and he's you know,
35:27
Speaker 1: his motto is that you know there's greatness and everyone
35:30
Speaker 1: you know, don't tell me that a guy can't do it.
35:33
Speaker 1: If there if a player can't do it, there's a
35:35
Speaker 1: reason why he can't do it. Now, let's find out
35:37
Speaker 1: why he can't do it. I covered Charlie Strong way
35:41
Speaker 1: way back in the day in the early nineties at Florida.
35:45
Speaker 1: I didn't have any great insight into him. It was
35:47
Speaker 1: interesting to hear him talk about Urban meyer h and
35:52
Speaker 1: sort of why he believes that this will be successful.
35:56
Speaker 1: I think the best thing was just what we heard.
35:58
Speaker 1: He believes that the adapted ability that Urban has in
36:02
Speaker 1: terms of be able to adapt the offense, in terms
36:04
Speaker 1: of able to adjust a personnel, will really vote well
36:08
Speaker 1: for the adjustment to the NFL, and that there's a
36:10
Speaker 1: lot more stuff like that. Talked a little about his resume,
36:15
Speaker 1: which I know, uh fascinated. JP has worked for Stabans,
36:20
Speaker 1: Furrier Halts, and Urban Jackie Cheryl Too Crazy and Jackie Cheryl.
36:27
Speaker 1: That's pretty close to the Rushmore of the last you know,
36:31
Speaker 1: fifty years in college football. So he's he's got the resume,
36:38
Speaker 1: and I will see how everything translates to the NFL.
36:40
Speaker 1: That's still the huge storyline, alright, folks. And that's Jaguars
36:45
Speaker 1: reporters for the beginning of the last week of February.
36:49
Speaker 1: Anybody got any podcast coming this week? We've got Drive
36:52
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36:57
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36:59
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37:06
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37:16
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37:20
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37:23
Speaker 1: Just Drive Time tomorrow morning. See you there. Steve Weisch
37:27
Speaker 1: on the Other Zone podcast by the NFL Network, So
37:30
Speaker 1: very nice. I go back with Steve. I think we
37:34
Speaker 1: cover Charlie's talking together in the floor. It doesn't matter
37:36
Speaker 1: of fact that uh always getting kicked up with great
37:39
Speaker 1: guy and you have insight into the Irby Meyer Jaguars
37:43
Speaker 1: higher So um, tomorrow sh Lynn is actually a video podcast,
37:49
Speaker 1: so I imagine you're probably gonna put that fashion use
37:52
Speaker 1: and leave the flannel behind tomorrow. I'm going to wear
37:55
Speaker 1: this planel because it's lovely. Where what do you want
37:58
Speaker 1: to wear? Don't listen to any money, That's all right,
38:02
Speaker 1: So I'll leave the piling on to to Ozone. It's
38:04
Speaker 1: what he does best. Uh, that will do it for
38:08
Speaker 1: Jaguar's reporters. Have a great week. Everybody would talk to
38:11
Speaker 1: you next week. Yeah,