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Black Ops, White Hats and the Cross with Nathan Zeiber - Ministry X - 037 · Ministry X

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I should look into that. Pastor Dean Odle and Pastor Greg Locke December second
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in Tennessee. I don't know who either of these guys are, but let's
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bring on Nathan zebr the paranormal pastor up there in Alberta, Canada. Let's
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talk UFOs and stuff. Hello. Hello, is this Nathan. This is
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Nathan. How's it going, Daniel? It's going great? Uh? How
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are you? Oh it's okay. Yeah, I've only ever used Skype to
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do interviews, but yeah, id Neverty reliable. Uh mostly, you know,
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as long as my Internet is not acting up at the time, it
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seems to be okay. Sure, Well, thanks for coming on the show.
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I've been really excited getting to talk to you. Yeah. Same.
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I love having these conversations. As you know, there's lots of UFOs in
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the news and not very many people talking about the subject matter from a Christian
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perspective, especially somebody you know that's been on the inside of moof on,
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you know. Yeah, So can you for the listener's sake and can you
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kind of refresh my memory sort of the road that led you to become part
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of moufon because you're a pastor? Correct? Yeah, I I didn't start
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out as a pastor. I was finishing school in construction and I was considering
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going into investigative sciences and I got accepted into a program at at a university
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here And as I was going along that road, I was talking with the
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just somebody higher up in the government who was overseeing a investigative body of the
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local government here in my province in Canada, and he said it wasn't unusual
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for the government to contact people in the paranormal or to have sorry reverse,
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it wasn't unusual for people in the paranormal or new age community to reach out
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to investigators to try and submit information that they believed they had gleaned from the
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other side, that they believed they had heard from from supernatural sources. And
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at the time, I was like, wow, like, well, how
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credible is it? And he kind of laughed. A lot of it was
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really hokey, but there were some that ended up producing results in investigations,
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and I was struck. I was like, well, I asked him,
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how many Christians do you have, you know, getting information, because I
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mean, we have Joseph, we have Daniel, we have Debro, we
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have Esther, we have all these biblical figures who received information from God and
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were able to impact society around them as people who follow God right And he
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said, you know, there weren't any that he had heard of. And
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so it struck this court in me, and this righteous indignation kind of built
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up and so from there I started to orient my investigative studies towards being a
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Christian in these behind the scenes typed conversations, and that ended up leading me
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into discovering some UFO stuff with people's experiences and abduction phenomena and encounters. And
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from there myself and a close friend started an investigation company where we were more
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dealing with the deliverance side of things through investigations, and it just kept going
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more and more towards UFOs. So I ended up talking with move On Canada
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here and applying for an investigator position and first becoming a field investigator and then
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from there becoming the provincial chief investigator for my province. So I'm kind of
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summarizing this journey, but it's how it's how I ended up going this direction.
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Okay, Well, I had previously heard you on a couple podcasts I
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think was Fire Theft, Radio Stranger Clock by their Fruits. So I've heard
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a few of your interviews, you know, talking about your experiences in Moufon
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as a Christian. Would you say that the majority of people involved with Moufon
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take a very rational, scientific materialist approach to their investigations or I mean is
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it mostly atheists, would you say, or agnostics? Or is it more
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you know, the New Age the aliens are our space brothers' viewpoint. You
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know, what kind of mix did you find yourself in there? Sure?
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So, in terms of Moufon's official position, I'm actually very impressed they have
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us investigate and we try and prove what the object people see is and if
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we can't, if we go through all these different sources, if we rule
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out astronomical data, etc. Then we even as a UFO because we haven't
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been able to identify it. Right. So, in terms of the official
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stance, that's where it gets left at. It's a UFO. In terms
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of some of the people I've worked with and their personal views I've seen expressed
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across social media and heard in conversations, it's either people believe that aliens are
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the ones who created us and at some point will reveal themselves and they're there
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to try and stop, you know, world wars from breaking out again.
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And then the other side of it is there's these New Age aspects to it,
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where there are brothers and sisters in the universe and they might be more
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evolved being or more evolved type of us. And there's a lot of psychic
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beliefs in there and them trying to communicate with us, and those are the
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predominant views. I definitely see there were a few Christians in there as well.
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You would say, I know that Mofon in the States is quite a
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bit larger because the States is ten times the size of Canada. I haven't
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met any Christians here in Moufon, Canada at this point. There there must
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be some, but we're just we're just simply not as large as the States's
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population. Would you say that anybody there's convinced that we're dealing with strictly human
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engineered like US military Experimental Advanced Aeronautics, or is this you know, is
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this just Lockheed Martin? Is this just Raytheon like secret projects, black projects.
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There's there's a few. But even though that might have been the it
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might have been more predominant of a view in the past, it's not as
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predominant of a view now, at least from what I've seen, just because
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there's a lot of close encounter phenomena associated with with UFO sightings too, So
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it's definitely taken a huge spiritual arc to it as well, Right, well,
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the main thing I wanted to kind of get your perspective on, and
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we could obviously talk about you know, disclosure in a larger sense, and
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I want to also get some you know, into some biblical tie ins.
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So there was this report that Ron James of Muffon was in the press saying
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that Elizondo, you know, the supposed former program director for a TIP,
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encountered opposition to further investigation of UFOs and UAPs because there was this contingency of
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fundamentalist Christians in the Defense Department who were supposedly blocking their research because they had
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this opinion that these non human intelligences were demonic in nature. And this was
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covered by the Daily Star and it kind of quickly made the rounds on the
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internet. And I interviewed Ron back in July, and he made the same
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claim that Elizondo told him. There were these Christians at the Pentagon and the
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implication was, you know, these backwards thinking, anti science, you know,
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Christian fuddy dudies were impeding their research because they thought aliens came from Hell
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or whatever, you know. So I asked him about the Collins elite,
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who were you know, the alleged you know, this informal group of individuals
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in the Defense Department that shared the belief that these non human intelligences were demonic,
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that they had witnessed, you know, these cruel experiments connected with these
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entities and military research into mind control, remote viewing, you know, psychokinetic
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powers and this sort of thing. And that goes back to Ray Bouchet,
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who's an Anglican priest and a UFO researcher. Yeah, and he was pasted
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this information by certain individuals who sought him out because he had, you know,
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one foot in the Christian realm, one foot in the UFO realm,
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right. In other words, someone who could you know, potentially make a
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connection or someone who was well positioned to disseminate you know, misinformation to the
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Christian community. And I guess that's the risk we have to have discernment when
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it comes to this sort of gradual disclosure that we're facing. We're in the
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midst of it. Seems like yeah, yeah, yeah, no. I
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I think that Christians for a long time have been afraid to talk about some
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of this stuff. And even in the church today, it's like, okay,
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fellow brothers and believers, we believe somebody was raised from the dead and
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took the keys back. It's like, why are we afraid to talk about
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other supernatural things or other elements of the paranormal that the rest of society seems
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to be talking about. And I think some of that fear comes from a
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need to control or a fear of not having the answers. And I think
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sometimes we need to be okay with not having the answers as Christians. But
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yeah, I read the article through when you when you had shared it with
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me from the Daily Star, and even having it now just Bible reading.
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Pentagon commanders halted UFO research over fears aliens with demons, and it's like,
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okay, well, are we supposed to test all spirits or are we just
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supposed to automatically assume that everything is demonic? Right? And I think we
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encountered that as a as a culture a few dick decades ago with the Satanic
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panic and again, and that's not to say that there wasn't stuff happening then
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too, but I think it was easier just to throw a blanket over the
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whole thing and just say it's all satanic or it's all demonic, and not
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really address it or try and dig into it. That kind of leads me
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to suspect maybe at some level here are Christians kind of being set up to
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look like idiots, you know, because we don't believe, or we don't
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trust the aliens, or we still cling to primitive things like the Bible and
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demons, because most Christians in positions of influence seem to have this sort of
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very dismissive, simplistic explanation for these things. Yeah, I think that it's
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yes and no. I think that when we don't rely on the spirit,
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that even of course Revelations talks about even the most elect could be deceived.
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Right, that it'll appear it's one way, but that's why we can't rely
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on our own logic and reasoning for it. But at the same time,
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we have you know, it was the Catholic Church in the day that that
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pushed for certain beliefs regarding the earth, et cetera. And it was Catholics
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who were, okay, going to say, no, let's test this out
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ourselves. I know there's a wide variety of views with flat earth, et
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cetera. But there's always been There's always been Christians who have been Okay,
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no, let's let's actually test this, let's actually take into it, and
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we don't necessarily need to take the institution's word for it, right. And
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then it seems there's you know, some Christians who sort of embraced the idea
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of you know, the Star brothers, and the Vatican has made statements,
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you know that they would potentially baptize aliens and maybe ei they're in need of
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salvation or they're they're not fallen like we are and they're morally superior to us.
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Yeah, there was I think it was C. S. Lewis who
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wrote a book, one of his sci fi books which a lot of people
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don't get to who where it talks about I could be wrong, but alien
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life on another planet that didn't give in to the temptation, right. So
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it's yeah, it's not a new topic necessarily, but I think we do
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have to talk about some of that. But then we need to be careful.
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We also need to go, okay, are they also made in the
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image of God? Right? Amago day? Are they also made in His
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likeness? Or is humanity specific like that? And then on top of that,
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some of the things I think about it's like, okay, if there
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are other creatures out there, intelligent life out there. Does that automatically make
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them all demonic? Or and I've mentioned this on Fire Theft for Radio,
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I think could there be the possibility that there's space whales swimming on a different
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planet somewhere? Right? Does that mean that they're just instantly demonic? No,
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it's it's not as simple as that. Yeah, I'm actually in the
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middle of reading the Space trilogy, the CS Lewis sci fi trilogy. I've
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read the first book out of the Silent Planet. The second one I just
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started. But yeah, there's that same idea sort of communicated in that early
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sci fi genre. Yeah, I mean, Ron James was very cordial with
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me. And I don't know if you ever bumped into Ron James at all
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while you were at Moufon. He's the I guess he's the director of public
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relations for Moufon, but that might be Moufon us. It is, it's
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us, but I know who you're talking about, okay. And he was
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very cordial with me, and he's not coming from a cre rist perspective,
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but he seemed to be very open minded to the idea, and he sort
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of let it slip that the reason why he doesn't like to think of this
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in spiritual terms, you know, like that these things might be evil was
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because it was scary, you know. He'd much rather envision a biological organism,
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you know, with advanced technology traveling from a distant planet in some way
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that was less threatening, which that didn't kind of make sense to me,
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like that could be just like way more threatening potentially, Like uh yeah,
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it it kind of reminds me of the War of the World's broadcast. People
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were jumping off of bridges and they were killing themselves because, you know,
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all of a sudden, it sounds like there's going to be an accountability for
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what they've done. And I think that's what scares people about UFOs, especially
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when it comes to the interdimensional conversations, because all of a sudden, it's
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like, Okay, they're not coming from a planet out there that's evolved to
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a certain space age. It's coming from dimensions away from us. And what
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else could come from dimensions away from us? Could it be angels or demons
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or is there anything else out there? So yeah, I think it scares
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a lot of people when they start to actually talk about it. So there's
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this video circulating around I don't know if you've run into it on Facebook.
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I don't know if it's originally like TikTok or whatever. These lights circulating in
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the sky up in the clouds, and apparently it's outside of church, and
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everyone in the congregation is out in the parking lot and they're out there praising
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these as angels, and you know, praising Jesus in the side of this.
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And the first thing I thought of was like, I fear that Christians
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will be deceived very easily, and they're less skeptical in some cases than the
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average secular person out there. It's like, what indication do you have that
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these are angels? What indication do you have that you know they're just there
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to put on this light show for you? Most of you know what I
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would say, the dispatches or messengers of God are going to come to you
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directly with a message. They're going to appear to you in a dream or
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something. There's going to be some sort of direct communication there, a purposeful
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thing, not just like hey, look here we are, you know,
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thanks for showing up to church today, yea. You know. So there's
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all kinds of this sort of thing going around on the internet. Yeah,
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I've seen them. I don't get you know, I'm a pastor, but
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I don't get like goose bumps or heavy spiritual feelings very often, typically when
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I'm when I'm in prayer, et cetera. It's that still small voice,
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or it's the impression of something. But I remember seeing a video a few
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years ago, it may have been about ten years ago, of this supposed
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manifestation of the quote unquote Virgin Mary appearing in the sky over Africa, and
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I just felt this like this paralysis, like clench me and I just had
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goosebumps all over my body, and I just it just seemed because people were
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praying to it, people were praising it, and it just felt so evil
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and heavy to me. And that's probably one of five times I've gotten that
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feeling in my in my life. And when I think of even close encounters,
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close encounters of the fifth kind, which is the I don't know how
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much you've explored this, but the CE five, Yeah, I'm familiar.
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Yeah, it's the communion aspect of it. And some of these groups,
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not all of them, but some of these groups are going out into fields
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and they carry out this this and you could find this ritual online too.
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It talks about this meditation, it talks about other things to try and summon
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and have communion with these beings, right, And it's like, regardless of
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what these beings are, it's you know, that's that's sketchy to just open
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yourself up to something like that that you have no clue about or understanding of.
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Do you think there's a larger agenda to this disclosure? I think I
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think yes and no. I think that, for instance, I don't think
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the Prime Minister of Canada, or the President of the States or any other
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government powers are actually aware of the truth behind some of the stuff. I
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think, in many ways their puppets or their mouthpieces. But I think that
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some of these sightings were getting so popular and there was enough noise being made
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that these groups behind the groups had to start addressing it or they had to
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start talking about it. And I believe some of that has come with a
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bit of control, you know, how do we control the narrative this way?
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How do we try and spin things that way? In the middle of
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Trump's COVID bill a few years ago, there was a section on UFO disclosure.
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It's like, like, how did that end up in there, and
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so I think it's both. I think there's enough people talking about it that
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there's been some force disclosure. But at the same time, there's enough people
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talking about it that these shadowy groups are trying to control the narrative going forward.
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Sure, and it's much harder, I think, to control the narrative
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now, and I think that's why we're seeing stuff like the congressional hearings,
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so they can get ahead of it and control the narrative on it, you
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know, before people start to look into it more deeply or start to,
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you know, god forbid, start a podcast or do an investigation on their
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own or do some research or something versus you know, clicking on stuff in
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your newsfeed or Instagram or whatever. That's just who knows if it's real or
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fake or whatever. There was a I think it was a Washington Post article
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that talked about Washington, DC's UFO department, and they get like this absurdly
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low budget and essentially they just keep their eyes on the skies. And it
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was almost trying to be like, oh, yeah, the government does pay
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people to look for UFOs, but look how ridiculous it is, when in
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reality they had SETI for years to search for extraterrestrial intelligence for years, which
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had a huge budget, and there's been all sorts of other massive departments that
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would take these sightings into account. So yeah, it's definitely an attempt to
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spin the situation. Is kind of similar to David grush More recently, and
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he hasn't made any faith statements to my knowledge, but again, he was
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kind of considered this trustworthy, well positioned person who was past this information,
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but he never personally witnessed you know, alien bodies or these experimental you know,
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aircraft or captured spacecraft himself. Yeah. Yeah, because he's from the
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Air Force, I believe, but like and he was I think he was
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an intelligence officer too, but correct. It's like okay, people, skeptics.
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It's like we have the former Defense Minister of Canada, Paul Hellier.
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We've got generals from from different areas in the United States military, We've got
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France's Foreign intelligence director, all these like high ranking individuals who have levels of
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classification coming forward and being like, yeah, we've either dealt with UFOs or
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we've talked to people about UFOs and it's true, and it's like okay,
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skeptics, if you had these same people coming forward to talk about anything else,
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would you believe them or is it just the fact that it's UFOs that
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makes it difficult for you to believe, because I don't know who else you
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could get to come forward to be more legitimate than some of these sources that
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have come forward already. I'm still trying to work all this out. I
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mean, the Bible doesn't talk about aliens from other planets, but we do
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see this method of conveyance that the angels and God himself utilized, you know,
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these chariots to travel I guess, sort of dimensionally from the heavens to
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the earth. Everyone you know seems to reference Ezekiel's vision and a wheel within
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a wheel, and the eyes are supposedly the portals, you know, But
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somehow this throne is mobile, and in the desert God appeared as a pillar
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of fire and a pillar of cloud. It's didn't have Sorry, go ahead.
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I was just gonna say, a long time ago, I had a
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dream where God appeared as a pillar of fire, before I had ever read
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the Bible with any intent or exodus. Imagine kind of a capital letter I
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that's like a tornado of flames, That's what I saw. Was it an
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alien? No, it was God right, not God in his most maybe
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glorified, unknowable state, but in a form I could understand, like a
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raging inferno that's contained for my own protection, where I could, you know,
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simultaneously understand the fear of God and the love of God. It was
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an incredible dream, an incredible vision. So you know what if the angels,
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you know, I guess both fallen and those that are still loyal to
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God have these thrones, these chariots, these methods of conveyance that seem plausible,
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I mean, trying to tie this into sort of a biblical framework.
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Yeah, even I think of even when Elijah was taken up and there's storm,
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there's thunder, there's lightning, there's like an earthquake, and Elisha takes
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them, or Elisha watches him being taken up by a chariot into the sky
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and then disappearing. Right, So it doesn't say he, you know,
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saw him go away up and up and up and up and up and up
37:45
and up and up and up. It's just a lot of these encounters happen
37:50
where they go up to a certain level and then they disappear. And I
37:54
think I've mentioned this on other podcasts too, but I've always found it funny
37:59
to think that, you know, we've progressed to like magnetic pulse weapons,
38:05
we have rifles, we have other technology for warfare, and we just kind
38:10
of assume that angels are stuck at bows and arrows and spears. Right,
38:17
It's like they're watching us, being like, why can't we get any better
38:21
warfare weapons when in reality they must have something that you know, can banish
38:28
a demon too, a different dimension or I have no idea, right,
38:32
but I sincerely doubt that they're stuck at at the technology we think they're stuck
38:37
at. I think the opposite is the case. Actually, I think they
38:44
have the higher technology. They have you know, obviously a whole different understanding
38:49
of the universe and physics I think of. I think of even when Joshua
38:59
Joshua was marching around the walls of Jericho and then they they played their instruments
39:05
and it caused the walls to collapse. It's like, Okay, was that
39:09
some sort of particle destabilizer? Right? We don't know what took place,
39:15
but I very much believe that God's a fan of science. I mean,
39:20
he's the creative of the creative, he's the scientist of scientists. So I
39:27
definitely don't think it's as simple as we are led to believe. Sometimes.
39:31
Yeah, absolutely, I mean it's it's basically the watchers we're talking about here
39:37
in a way, a continuation of you know what goes back to Genesis six,
39:43
and that's what I think is going on. There's there's still this technological
39:49
exchange of information, and you know, as we sort of investigate you know,
39:55
the megaliths and this sort of thing and conto plate the pre flood world,
40:00
how there's these tie ins with this alternate form of technology that in some
40:08
ways was more advanced than our technology now, although it was you know,
40:13
sort of of a different nature. Maybe they could levitate huge things with sound
40:19
vibrations, they had ways to control acoustic technology or something. You know.
40:25
Yeah, And I think even with Marzouli and Stephen Quail, they've they've talked
40:31
about I believe it was Matthew eight where the demons couldn't be without some sort
40:37
of body. So could cat of mutilations we see to be we see today,
40:43
Could they be some sort of attempt to create some sort of shell for
40:49
a demonic presence to reside in. Could you know the demonic realm be utilizing
40:53
UFOs too. There's there's a lot of questions. I have a lot of
40:58
questions about cattle mutilation. And you know, before I was kind of like,
41:02
well, this is more like sort of these satanic cults and stuff doing
41:08
you know, ritual killings or something like that. And they've just disposed of
41:12
the carcass, you know, but didn't really line up a whole lot with
41:17
the facts, I guess. So now I think, yeah, there's some
41:22
sort of experimentation going on because they're trying to master the ability, like you
41:30
said, to sort of create this artificial meat suit that they can somehow program
41:37
or they can inhabit with some other sort of spirit to control it, like
41:43
these remote control biological robots. And maybe in fact, that's what we're looking
41:49
at when we think about the Grays and you know, some of these abduction
41:54
stories and the contact e stories, right, yeah, yeah, and even
42:00
with I think there has been cases of a cult activity with cattle mutilations,
42:07
but and it shouldn't be just left at a cattle either. There's also other
42:12
animal mutilations. But then some of them. It's like, Okay, there
42:15
isn't blood found in the soil around them, There isn't the organs have been
42:22
removed with laser like precision. It just goes to, okay, well,
42:27
what what extent is this cult going to to to remove organs and then return
42:34
the body later? It just doesn't make sense practically speaking, right, And
42:38
and there might be a tie in there too, because you were mentioning the
42:43
CE five Protocols, the Stephen Greer thing where they're actually in a way,
42:49
they're going out there in the desert and they're meditating and they're they're basically summoning
42:53
these things, is what they're doing. Yeah, So there isn't a cult
42:59
tie in and a connection as well. So and it's so funny because people
43:06
don't even recognize how similar it is to old God and Goddess ritualism, right,
43:13
Like you would go out into areas to try and and you'd use some
43:16
sort of ritual to try and summon these beings to talk with them. And
43:22
it's nothing new. It's just in the context of aliens now, right,
43:28
But it's as tales old as time trying to convene with other worldly beings this
43:32
way. Yeah, and its primary means of operation is deception. So,
43:40
you know, for those of us who you know, just we want to
43:43
know the truth, you know, what's really going on, It's it's not
43:47
designed to reveal the truth to you. It's designed the whole paradigm is designed
43:53
to divert you from the truth and get you to believe something else. Yeah,
44:01
even with even with Genesis six or the Genesis narrative, you know,
44:07
there's the belief that these these gods came down and set themselves up behind empires
44:15
and rulers and would serve them. And even in the more conservative readings of
44:22
scripture, that's still the case that, you know, there was the belief
44:24
that these beings had come to set up civilizations and have people worship them.
44:31
Right, Well, let me run this past you. I've sort of spent
44:37
many years with this theological framework that there's this spiritual world or this realm or
44:45
dimension, and then there's a physical material world, and there must be some
44:52
technological or sort of magical means of establishing this connection, you know, a
45:00
portal or some sort of conversion for there to be contact between the realms.
45:07
And you said that you've done some work in deliverance too, Is that right
45:12
I have? Yeah. I sort of went from this very skeptical materialist,
45:16
sort of naturalist perspective to this understanding that there's a spiritual dimension as well.
45:22
And then for years I explored this through occult means and drugs and shamanism and
45:29
ghost hunting and Eastern mysticism and stuff, before I came to a more biblical
45:36
understanding or what I thought to be a biblical understanding the unseen realm, you
45:40
know that sort of thing. Now I'm not so sure about this sort of
45:45
distinct separation between the spiritual and the physical realms. I think more in terms
45:51
of like this spectrum where you know, certain phenomenon are beyond our normal perception,
45:58
but still in a physical realm, which would allow these things to have
46:02
bodies and not just be spirits. And this this goes to Timothy Alberino's kind
46:10
of perspective. And I've been reading his book Birthright. I don't know if
46:14
you're familiar with that. I haven't read it, but I know it.
46:19
Yeah. So, and he's basically making the argument that what we're observing is
46:23
some sort of technology. It's an advanced angelic technology, but technology nonetheless,
46:31
and you know, ancient people didn't separate the spiritual and physical realm, you
46:37
know, but their their mystics, their seers were somehow able to expand their
46:43
perception either through you know, psychoactive substances or you know, ritual conjuring,
46:50
mental discipline, meditation. And in the case of the prophets, you know,
46:57
God's prophets, they're like I said, this direct communication that's initiated by
47:01
God, you know, through an angel, Yeah yeah, or you know,
47:08
Paul gets sucked into a whirlwind, you know, and transported to the
47:13
third Heaven. Right, what do you think about that? I think even
47:21
with because part of my part of my degree for my pastoral work is in
47:27
pastoral care and counseling, so I had to take my my psychology courses for
47:30
it, and even reading about I think it's bipolar two disorder. It might
47:38
it might have to do with schizophrenia as well, but how nine out of
47:43
ten sufferers have had ritualistic abuse in their life. And so to me,
47:51
even the psychological world sees that, Okay, there's there's there is times where
47:57
it's an imbalance of hormones and there's medical to correct that. But other times
48:01
there's something supernatural overlapping with the physical world, and I think we see that
48:08
in many areas of our life. I think even when it comes to even
48:16
if what comes to things like we did an episode on this on our podcast
48:22
When to Go Psychosis. If you're not familiar with what a wend to go
48:25
is, it's the first nations belief that you could be possessed by a cannibalistic
48:31
spirit. And there's a famous case here in Alberta from around fifteen years ago
48:38
where this guy named Vincent Lee gone onto a greyhound bus and got up and
48:45
started stabbing this other passenger and he ended up cutting out the guy's heart and
48:52
eating his eyes and tongue, and when he went to court, he was
48:57
diagnosed with when to Go psychosis. So when it goes psychosis in the DSM,
49:04
which is the psychologist's diagnostic handbook, is the belief that you've been possessed
49:08
by cannibalistic spirits. So this has happened often enough that it has its own
49:15
entry in the DSM, and anybody who's spiritually seeking, or us as Christians,
49:21
we can't stand by and go, oh, that's simply just physical.
49:25
There's no supernatural element to that, It's like, no, that's clearly something
49:30
that's demonic going on. So I see things like that and I go Okay.
49:37
People are either blind or deceived to ignore the fact that there's overlaps between
49:42
the supernatural and physical realm, right, And isn't that the same sort of
49:46
thing with the skin walker in the Navajo tradition? This is like a walk
49:52
in, like a shape shifting sort of walk in spirit of some sort that
49:57
can be sent from a witchdoc or a shaman or something, you know,
50:01
to curse somebody, or to follow somebody, or to watch somebody. How
50:08
much do you know about that? Yeah? And that's it reminds me of
50:14
Hebrews thirteen two, which says be careful how you treat strangers because you could
50:20
be entertaining angels unaware. So it's saying that you might see a physical being,
50:25
you might see a person that looks like a person, but it might
50:29
actually be an otherworldly being. So, I mean, if we as Christians
50:35
are to believe that there is a supernatural and physical overlap, then it's much
50:38
more involved than we can get away with if we're just living our lives day
50:44
to day without any consideration to what the Bible says, and you've got things
50:47
like the wind to go. You've got all sorts of other either mythology or
50:55
folklore that seems to have some sort of tie into reality. At some point,
51:00
I even think of full moons. There's there's something called from a nineteen
51:07
ninety seven study, and we talked about it in one of our other episodes,
51:10
and it's called the Biological Indicator of Lunar Effects Scale, the b I
51:15
l E S b I l E Scale, and it's this huge study the
51:23
Western worldwide interviewing emergency response physicians, police officers, firefighters, et cetera,
51:31
about if they believe there's a perceived impact of the full moon on society.
51:38
And it's something like ninety three to ninety six percent of these people who came
51:43
back and said there is something weird about the full moon that that messes with
51:47
people, that that causes abnormal behavior. So I think there's a lot of
51:57
a lot of roots to some of these the beliefs that we no longer acknowledge.
52:05
Here's a weird question, why do you think are you aware of?
52:08
Ray bouchet I mentioned earlier the Anglican priest who was interviewed by Nick Redfern,
52:15
and he published a book called Final Events. I can't say I'm too familiar
52:22
with him. Is he was he the attorney or is that somebody else?
52:25
I think that might be somebody else. This guy is an Anglican priest,
52:29
but he was also a UFO researcher. And this is where we get the
52:32
idea of the Collins Elite from he, you know, was approached by people
52:37
in the Defense Department saying basically, we've seen some of these experiments with these
52:42
non human intelligences and they didn't turn out so well. And so I was
52:52
I'm trying to see if this is still a schism, you know, within
52:55
the government. Are there still these sort of white had Christians operating in the
53:02
government, you know, warning about this sort of thing. That's what I
53:09
was trying to determine. I remember, I remember years ago. I don't
53:15
know if it was Stephen Quail, but when they were testing the CERN particle
53:22
collider, they kept running into into issues where it seemed like I'm trying to
53:30
I'm trying to do my best to remember, but there seemed to be some
53:32
sort of sabotage happening, and there was a speculation that it may have been
53:37
some sort of Christians who were sabotaging the equipment to try and stop it from
53:44
turning on, stop it from smashing particles. And I think Stephen Quail may
53:49
have coined the term that they may have been the sons and daughters of Enoch
53:53
or the Sons of Enoch or or something like that. So it wouldn't surprise
53:59
me if that is taking place. Still. I mean, we see biblically
54:04
times where God is talking to somebody on the inside of the government and having
54:07
them work on something just by themselves. Yeah, I mean, nobody passed
54:15
this information along to like Kenneth Copeland or Paula White or some of these you
54:21
know, these like the celebrity Christians. You know, they choose a guy
54:25
like Bouchet, you know, who's not a celebrity, So I find that
54:34
curious. So they must have had some sort of trust in this guy,
54:42
So I found that interesting. What do you know as far as the abduction
54:49
phenomenon, why does this get tied in so much with the UFO phenomenon.
54:53
I mean, I know there's specific cases where people are abducted and you know,
54:58
they're taking a board of sh ship and this sort of thing. But
55:02
it seems to be like we're dealing with something different when it comes to abductions.
55:09
MM, different in what way? Sorry, just to expand on your
55:14
question before you get started. So I guess and this goes back to the
55:21
classifications, you know, close encounter classifications. You know, there's lights in
55:27
the sky, you know, there's and then there's you know, sightings that
55:30
leave some sort of physical trace or some sort of physical evidence or and then
55:36
there's close encounters of the third kind that's you know, basically making contact with
55:42
some sort of being, and then fourth kind is an abduction. So is
55:57
the abduction tied in also with this sort of idea of hybridization, is that
56:01
you know, do you think that's what's going on because they seem particularly focused
56:07
on, you know, the sexual organs. They seem you know, there's
56:13
a lot of cases where you know, women were pregnant and then they remember
56:16
they were pregnant, they lost their baby. There's no sign of the you
56:21
know, them ever being pregnant. This sort of thing. Yeah, yeah,
56:25
I uh, I've heard people before say, you know, if these
56:30
these beings they're they're here for betterment, they're here to evolve. Humanity,
56:37
And I'm like, Okay, there is no case in which somebody should be
56:44
kidnapped against their will and sexually experimented on that you can justify the better betterment
56:52
of humanity with. I mean, that goes against every consent argument, that
56:58
goes against the philosophy of morality, that goes against everything we know. So
57:06
when I hear when I hear people saying that, I like to remind them,
57:08
you know, these people often don't want to share about their experiences.
57:13
They're very reluctant to share share about their abduction experiences, experiences, or their
57:20
the experiments carried out on them during those experiences. Sometimes it's varied very very
57:25
very deeply. Uh, You've got hypnotic regression therapy which it is used to
57:35
try and bring up some of those memories. And there's there's legitimate cases for
57:39
for HRT in psychology, and then there's ones where it's like, okay,
57:45
you're you're kind of giving up your control to to whatever this might be.
57:50
But I think that this is another tale that is as old as time,
57:54
from Genesis six, with the trading of technology and power or women to give
58:01
birth to something to sacrifices later on, throughout history we see this a lot,
58:10
and I think it's just in another era and it's been defined or contextualized
58:16
for a society that's more comfortable with science than they are with the Bible.
58:22
So I think if it were back two thousand years ago, it would be
58:27
again the same story of no angels having sex with or impregnating human women type
58:36
thing, but now it's aliens that are doing it, or now that's involved
58:38
that way. I see that the Collins Elite. Again. The interesting thing,
58:50
and Tom Horn reported on this, was that they seemed to prescribe this
58:59
return to the Mosaic law or something as a solution to like this sort of
59:04
evil corruption within the military or in other words, like it wasn't a christ
59:09
centered thing. It had nothing to do with salvation or anything like that.
59:16
It's like, well, we need to correct this situation by going back to
59:21
you know, we need to go back to the law, and we need
59:23
to I found that kind of interesting. Yeah, And when I hear stuff
59:30
like that, I have to mind. I mean I struggle with it too,
59:34
because I think we as Christians believe it would just be easier if you
59:38
know, Canada were just a Christian country or the States were a different country
59:44
or a Christian country, but that's what the disciples believed. They believed that
59:47
Jesus was going to come and overthrow the Roman government, and a lot of
59:52
the first century Jews didn't recognize Jesus because they thought their Savior was just going
59:59
to come deliver them from this pressive government, and they never saw that happening.
1:00:05
In fact, Jesus said, gift to Caesar, what is Caesar's gift
1:00:08
to God? What is God's? And we don't live in a theocracy,
1:00:12
we don't live in a country controlled by the Church. So I don't think
1:00:15
the solution is, you know, if we only would return to these ways
1:00:20
as a country or as a nation, then things would be fixed. I
1:00:23
think it has to do with the heart. People need to be changed inwardly.
1:00:30
They need to die to themselves, they need to give their life over
1:00:34
to Christ in order to see any difference take place on a wider scale or
1:00:40
in the case of the deliverance that you do, you know, coming to
1:00:49
Christ as a way of healing from some of this. If you've been an
1:00:52
experience or a contact ee, oh totally yeah, And I've shared this another
1:00:59
podcast too, But I regularly attend these groups meetings. They some of them
1:01:07
have monthly meetings and presentations, and some of them open up with a prayer
1:01:12
to God's goddesses and beings of lights, like a protection type prayer, and
1:01:17
they always end in Jesus name. They always end in Jesus' name. And
1:01:22
when these groups do home clearings, because a lot of them want to help
1:01:27
people out who are experiencing demonic oppression, like they want to try and help
1:01:31
clear out people's homes, they tell people use the name of Jesus, it
1:01:37
has power. They don't realize that there's more to it than that. But
1:01:40
even these people who who aren't Christian recognize that there's power in that name,
1:01:49
right, And even I think it's the the Sons, I don't remember their
1:01:55
name. I think it's Matthew seven, where the the Brothers were going around
1:02:00
casting demons out in Jesus name, and it was working until it got to
1:02:05
one smart demon who's like, well, I know who Jesus is and I
1:02:08
know who Paul is, but who are you and ended up beating them up.
1:02:13
Right, So there's power in the name of Jesus. And just because
1:02:17
somebody may believe in God, that doesn't make them a Christian, right,
1:02:22
Even the devil believes there's a God out there, So it's yeah, it's
1:02:28
it's sobering to see how even people outside of Christianity recognize the power behind those
1:02:34
beliefs. Sure, what do you think? This is what leads me to
1:02:39
think, you know, there's some tie in with this phenomena and the Antichrist.
1:02:46
What do you think about is there a connection there? Yeah? I
1:02:52
uh, it's funny when people ask me, are we in the end times?
1:02:59
The Bible defend times as from when Jesus ascended when he comes back down
1:03:05
again, So we've been in the end times for two thousand years now.
1:03:08
So yes, we're in the end times. It's just a matter of where
1:03:13
on the scale are we in terms of how far? Yeah, And if
1:03:19
I weren't Christian, I would totally be drawn to the theory that, you
1:03:22
know, maybe this is maybe we've been planted here by some sort of advanced
1:03:28
being. I think the alien movie Prometheus even had I think that was the
1:03:34
opening scene some sort of alien giving its body to create DNA and our water
1:03:38
here on earth, right, And I think that would make sense to me
1:03:43
if I weren't Christian, and so I think when we start to see these
1:03:47
things happen, our mind is going to go, oh, that makes total
1:03:52
sense, like that lines up with everything. But there's going to be this
1:03:57
check inside of us that goes, some things off about this, something's something's
1:04:02
not okay about this. And again to refer to what I said earlier,
1:04:08
just if it weren't for the Holy Spirit, even the most elect would be
1:04:12
deceived, which means it's going to appear good, it's going to make sense,
1:04:16
but there's just going to be this this prompting inside of us that goes,
1:04:19
Nope, nope, there's there's something wrong with this, there's something off
1:04:25
about this. All right, do you want to talk a little bit more
1:04:30
about your ministry, your your church there and you know sort of what you
1:04:35
do with deliverance and and helping people. Sure. So one of the when
1:04:44
we first started off as an investigation company, we we were picturing classified briefings,
1:04:50
we were picturing levels of secrecy that we'd be involved with as believers,
1:04:57
But we ended up coming a across these groups of new agers who were going
1:05:03
through people's homes to try and pray with them, to try and help them
1:05:08
out of their demonic oppression and they weren't charging for it, like these people
1:05:14
had a genuine heart to try and see people delivered. And so we went,
1:05:18
you know, there needs to be more Christians doing this if that,
1:05:23
if there's a void that New Age and other groups are stepping into. And
1:05:28
so we started getting involved in going through people's homes and praying with them and
1:05:33
leading them to Jesus from that, and it broke our heart for this community
1:05:40
so much. Yeah, we almost converted to a strictly deliverance organization because of
1:05:46
that. And it was once that God had kind of broken our heart for
1:05:51
this community that he started opening up doors for us to do more investigative more
1:05:59
investigation on the side of things. But we got to know these community members
1:06:04
where we built relationships with them. We call them friends. I'm friends with
1:06:12
witches and pagans and all sorts of stuff. And over the last three years,
1:06:17
we've seen dozens and dozens of people who have come up to us out
1:06:23
of this friendship, out of this relationship and go you know, I've tried
1:06:28
seeking, I've tried learning all these things, I've tried getting to know all
1:06:31
of it, and I still don't feel like I have what it takes.
1:06:38
You probably know, but gnosticism is the belief that you can reach the sacred
1:06:45
through knowledge, right, but there isn't. Each of these group members feels
1:06:53
like if they just reached that next level of knowledge, if they just read
1:06:57
this next book, or if they just enlighten themselves this much, then they'll
1:07:00
feel complete, then they'll feel whole. So these people are coming to us
1:07:03
and saying, we've tried all of this, and you before have mentioned that
1:07:09
none of us were good enough to begin with, and that it's not up
1:07:12
to our knowledge. How can I figure out what my purpose is? How
1:07:17
can I feel like I'm complete and don't have to attain this? And that's
1:07:21
where we start the conversation of Look, all salvation is the saying we've sinned
1:07:28
and others have sinned against us, and we can't do it on our own.
1:07:30
That's all salvation is the saying we need someone in our life to do
1:07:35
this for us. And so we could start that conversation about what Christ did
1:07:41
and how salvation is attainable today, that it's not once you've acquired enough knowledge
1:07:46
or understanding, it's not up to us. And so we've seen some incredible
1:07:53
testimonies come from that ministry, and it's so funny. It reminds me of
1:08:00
even the image of Jesus being born in a stable right. It's like people
1:08:03
tend to think or a manger. People tend to think that mangers are all,
1:08:10
you know, cute and clean. But animals would have been pooping,
1:08:14
it would have been stinky, it would have been it would have been messy.
1:08:18
And I think that's what salvation worked out. Looks like, we had
1:08:23
this one new believer who kept praying to God in universe for like six months
1:08:30
after she got saved, and I kind of faced palm when I would hear
1:08:34
that. But I don't think God's offended by that. I think that we
1:08:38
all learn we all have to grow when we first come to Him, and
1:08:42
we better keep growing after we've come to Him. So it's been so cool
1:08:45
to see just how God has used this friendship, this relationship with these paranormal
1:08:51
New Age communities to minister to people. That's great and that must be why,
1:08:58
like I zeroed in on you when I heard your interviews, because that's
1:09:01
a sort of similar ministry to what I do here, and I personally came
1:09:08
out of the occult and you know, Eastern mysticism and this sort of thing.
1:09:15
So telling my own testimony about, you know, how I came to
1:09:19
understand Christ and become saved, it's important to a lot of people out there,
1:09:30
and I think that's the correct approach, not the like, oh you're
1:09:34
a witch, you're a Satan worshiper like, because most of them are just
1:09:43
you know, a seeker, or they're you know, ex Catholics or or
1:09:46
something. You know, they've they've been wronged by somebody in the Church and
1:09:50
that's why they have this bias against you know, the Bible or you know
1:09:56
Christians in general. So I have that whole perspective from the other side to
1:10:04
say I was there, you know, fifteen years ago. I looked at
1:10:10
things the same way that you did, you know. And most of the
1:10:13
case, I mean with me, I basically I still believed in God.
1:10:16
I believe that God was walking me through that time in my life and allowed
1:10:25
me to be exposed to a lot of this stuff so that I could later,
1:10:28
you know, relate that to people and guide people right back to Jesus.
1:10:35
And that took me through the Jehovah's witnesses and all kinds of interesting you
1:10:41
know, wickens, and a lot of people in the alternative religious you know
1:10:45
community, you know, and a lot of just you know, burnout hippies
1:10:51
and all kinds of interesting characters, and just realizing, you know, you
1:10:57
just you love these people. He like loved them into the kingdom. When
1:11:02
I a quote we're a quote we use around church is that many, many
1:11:09
times people belong before they believe. Many times people have a relationship with you
1:11:15
before they come to believe. And I think of Matthew eleven and Luke seven,
1:11:18
where the Bible talks about Jesus being a friend of sinners. He wasn't
1:11:24
just an acquaintance. He wasn't just somebody they were like, oh yeah,
1:11:28
I met him one time. It's like they considered him a friend. And
1:11:32
I think that we were able to have that relationship with people when it's when
1:11:40
it's genuine, when it becomes about loving them as opposed to standing on a
1:11:45
soapbox on the corner of a street, right. And what I love about
1:11:49
these communities is that they's so much closer to believing than the average day person
1:11:58
because they already believe another world beyond our own exists. They already believe that
1:12:03
there's more to life than this, where you might come across the average person
1:12:09
on this who has no idea and doesn't care, or your average Christian.
1:12:14
Oh, exactly exactly. And I heard it quote one time it's easier to
1:12:18
turn around a car, to turn a car around that's going in the wrong
1:12:23
direction, than it is to get a car going that's parked in the right
1:12:26
direction. And I think these people are searching, they're looking, they're trying
1:12:31
to find the truth, and I believe because Jesus is truth, that he
1:12:36
reveals himself to them. Yeah. Absolutely, Amen. So you said you
1:12:45
have a podcast also, and I don't think I've had the opportunity to listen
1:12:49
to any of those episodes. What is the name of your podcast? And
1:12:56
you know, for the listeners as well who might want to check that out.
1:13:00
Sure, So our podcast is called Midnight Mysteries, So if you go
1:13:04
on to Instagram, it's Midnight Mysteries Radio. We also have a website,
1:13:10
Midnight Mysteries dot CA. I do want to let everyone know it is not
1:13:16
a Christian podcast, but it's a podcast run by Christians. So there's people
1:13:20
we interview that we don't necessarily agree with or share the same views as.
1:13:25
But it's us trying to again build a relationship with this community. Okay,
1:13:31
that's great, all right. And if people want to reach out to you
1:13:36
personally, where do they find you? Email? Social media? Nathan zebra
1:13:45
Z I, E B E R. Or you could contact us through the
1:13:47
Midnight Mysteries website Midnight Mysteries dot Ca and there's a contact form there. How
1:13:55
did you get the name paranormal Pastor? I started about about about five years
1:14:03
into a relationship with his community. I started running during COVID. They could
1:14:10
no longer run their monthly events in person events, and so they asked me
1:14:15
to I was a speaker for them a few times, so they asked me
1:14:18
to start a podcast for them over COVID and I started it and during one
1:14:26
of the Q and a's, a bunch of them are like, oh,
1:14:29
wait, you're your pastor, like your pastor And it's not something I'd hidden.
1:14:32
It's just not something i'd gotten up and been like, Oh, I'm
1:14:35
a pastor, right, And so from there the name developed as just a
1:14:41
nickname for me. Awesome. And then where are you at there? You're
1:14:45
in Alberta? Correct, Yeah, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. Edmonton.
1:14:48
Okay, so you're about I think that's about a four or five hour drive
1:14:54
from where I'm at here in Idaho. Yeah. I was just just there
1:14:58
this last July. Like I said, so that's pretty cool. That is
1:15:00
so interesting. Do you know anything This is just a side question, but
1:15:05
do you know anything about Nelson, the little town of Nelson. Supposedly there's
1:15:12
a deep underground military base there in Idaho. No, I think it's in
1:15:17
Alberta. I think maybe British Columbia. I think it's Nelson, BC.
1:15:24
Yeah, so there's if you if you go onto this is a whole other
1:15:31
topic, but there's something called lay lines, which I'm not sure if you've
1:15:36
explored or not, but little Yeah, you can get maps that that map
1:15:42
out lay lines. And regardless of what somebody's excuse me belief is about them,
1:15:48
there seems to be some correlation between UFO sidings and lay lines. And
1:15:54
so there's there's a lot of intersections over British Columbia and i'll Berta, and
1:16:00
so there's a lot more UFO sidings around there too. But it would not
1:16:05
surprise me at all if there was some sort of underground base there there there
1:16:11
always seems to be really strange military activity in the mountains or near mountains,
1:16:16
and that's both in Canada and the States, right right, yes, yeah,
1:16:23
Well, I'm sure we could talk for a lot longer, but I
1:16:27
think we can wrap it up there. I want to thank you for coming
1:16:29
on the show. It's been really interesting getting a chance to talk to you.
1:16:34
I printed out a bunch of questions and I think I only got to
1:16:39
about half of them, so we'll have to maybe do a follow up sometime.
1:16:43
Okay, Yeah, sounds good. I love these conversations, so anytime.
1:16:45
Really, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Yeah, awesome,
1:16:49
all right, you have a nice evening. Okay, Yeah, I
1:16:54
appreciate it. All right, bye bye, all right, Nathan zeberbody,
1:17:06
Now, maybe I should have done this prior to the interview, but we're
1:17:12
going to go over the article really briefly here that was in the Daily Star,
1:17:23
and I'll leave notes in the show description as well if you want to
1:17:28
link to this story from the Dailystar dot co dot UK. Bible reading Pentagon
1:17:35
commanders halted UFO research over fears aliens were demons. See a major figure in
1:17:46
the Pentagon's UFO Research agency claims that fundamentalist Christians within the establishment blocked him because
1:17:55
they thought UFOs came from Hell. Well don't they, Maybe some of them
1:18:04
do. Pentagon commanders have clamped down on research into extraterrestrials because of their religious
1:18:16
beliefs, It's claimed leading UFO researcher Ron James, says senior figures in the
1:18:24
US government fear aliens are in fact demons. Ron, who is director of
1:18:29
media relations for UFO research group Moufon, claims there is quote a very large
1:18:34
contingent of people unquote within the Pentagon who opposed the work of the Advanced Aerospace
1:18:43
Threat Identification Program a TIP because they think the UAPs regularly reported by US military
1:18:53
sources are piloted by creatures from l Now, the Daily Star is a tabloid
1:19:01
magazine, a tabloid newspaper in the UK. Now that doesn't necessarily mean that
1:19:12
these aren't legitimate articles. This isn't like the Weekly World News or anything like
1:19:19
that, but they do tend to spice up the articles a little bit for
1:19:28
their readers. This fundamentalist Christian lobby within the US defense establishment actually affected Elizondo's
1:19:38
ability to get funding. Ron says belief in both UFOs and the literal truth
1:19:45
of the Bible is not entirely incompatible. He adds, for example, Ron
1:19:51
spoke to staunchly Christian US Congressman timber Chet quote, I sat down and interviewed
1:19:58
him. His feeling was that if you look in the Bible and you look
1:20:02
at Ezekiel building the wheel, there's a lot of people that think that was
1:20:09
a spaceship unquote. I don't think Ezekiel built the wheel. Pretty sure he
1:20:15
didn't build the wheel. This is what I'm talking about. He adds that
1:20:24
his Holiness the Pope has officially acknowledged that there is life on other planets.
1:20:29
Well, no, that's not accurate either, as if the Pope declares it
1:20:38
so, it must be so. No, and Ron James talked about this
1:20:45
when I interviewed him as well. What the Pope said was that it's more
1:20:49
than likely statistically that there is life elsewhere in the universe, and if so,
1:20:58
it's part of God's career and it doesn't conflict with your Catholic beliefs,
1:21:03
your Christian theology. But the strong arm of religious fundamentalism within US political circles
1:21:17
has actively hindered research into UFOs and science generally. Ron says, quote I
1:21:27
talked to John Brandenberg, a researcher who's done a lot of work about Mars.
1:21:32
Quote Ron told podcaster Julian Dorry, and he told me that he was
1:21:40
working under classification as a physicist for a long time. And he said,
1:21:45
there's a big contingent that that extreme fundamental religion is governing what we are investing
1:21:54
our energy and our time. What that makes no sense. I swear I'm
1:21:59
reading it exactly as it's printed here. But while some authorities maintain that UFOs
1:22:06
can't be from another planet, Ron thinks they could be from another universe altogether.
1:22:13
Quote. This guy came up with this thing called quantum jumping. His
1:22:17
name was Bert Goldman. His theory is that there is another version of you
1:22:23
existing in multiple realities, but these realities all exist. Bert Goldman said that
1:22:30
you can quantum jump through certain meditation techniques and certain mental exercises and certain visualization
1:22:39
exercises and actually connect with these other versions of yourself. You can even bring
1:22:45
something back from them. Whether any of these versions of ourselves live in realities
1:22:53
where demons are coasting through our skies in flying saucers was not mentioned. So
1:23:02
so not a lot of meat in this article. As you can tell.
1:23:06
That's it. There was something down here that looked a little interesting though.
1:23:14
Aliens took my sperm in sexual experiments. Now I wonder if I have kids
1:23:19
in space. Yes, this is an article also on the Daily Star.
1:23:32
A bloke who believes he was abducted by extraterrestrials for sexual experiments told the Soft
1:23:39
White Underbelly blog he might have alien kids somewhere out in space. No,
1:23:45
you probably just have hybrid you know, they've used your DNA to hybridize some
1:23:55
sort of cross so you've got their sort of like cousins, but they're clones
1:24:04
or something. This is ridiculous, Okay, So this is where I get
1:24:13
my theory that you know, a lot of these articles are designed for the
1:24:18
people that read this sort of thing on a regular basis. You know they're
1:24:25
going to come away from reading an article like that thinking, oh, these
1:24:29
anti science Christians. You know, all we want to do is find out
1:24:33
more about UFOs. Well Burchette is the only Christian that was named in the
1:24:44
article, and he's the one leading the congressional investigation into it. But honestly,
1:24:51
I think all these guys are just kind of dupes. It's ridiculous the
1:24:59
way they run every buddy through this disclosure narrative in the media and mainstream media
1:25:08
and alternative media as well. And so we're always having to battle that,
1:25:15
We're always having to use our discernment, and you know, I mean discernment
1:25:24
of the Holy Spirit. I think it's there's no question there's a spiritual element
1:25:32
to the UFO phenomenon and the alien abduction experiencers. And look at what the
1:25:45
followers of Stephen Greer are out there doing summoning UFOs. You know, these
1:25:57
are the people that are no, no, no, they're friendly. They're
1:26:01
here to help us, they're here to help us evolve. We just need
1:26:05
to change our vibration. We need to get in tune, you know,
1:26:12
heal our planet. And they're going to teach us how to do that.
1:26:18
The problem is their plan doesn't have anything to do with God, but they'll
1:26:29
teach you that. Look, we're really your progenitors, we're your gods,
1:26:35
except we're not really God's that's a primitive way to look at it. We're
1:26:40
actually just highly advanced beings from another planet. We've been around millions of years
1:26:48
before life evolved on planet Earth. And people will believe it because you know,
1:26:59
the science and the AI will confirm it. And don't worry because it
1:27:05
doesn't conflict with your religion. You don't have to go change everything. Just
1:27:11
turns out you were misinterpreting the Holy scriptures this whole time. No big deal.
1:27:21
Hey, everything's going to be great. Lots of new technologies, oh
1:27:29
man, zero point energy, life extension technology, the med beds. Oh
1:27:38
and it's going to be available for everybody in the whole world, all five
1:27:46
hundred million of you. Oh yeah, this is after the apocalypse. This
1:27:55
is after you know, three fourths of the population is killed off. But
1:28:00
let's not worry about that right now. Okay, I'm getting silly. I
1:28:05
still got news to cover. That article was not part of the news segment.
1:28:10
That was part of the main segment. But I do have some other
1:28:15
stories I want to cover on the other side of the break. You've been
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now on the Fringe Radio Network. I thought, wow, I when Timothy
1:28:38
Albarino first mentioned he was going to Mount an expedition there to see what was
1:28:44
going on. I was so I have been saving a lot of money up
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from sweeping these chimneys, but not enough. I think I could have gone.
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I was almost gonna ask him, but then at the last minute,
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watch her. I can't trust my wicked stepsisters, and you know, I
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could have just asked my fairy godmother. But I try to stay away from
1:29:21
that entity, the godmother entity, because let me tell you, she's a
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piece of work. It's no storybook. I mean, that's no Candyland.
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I begs to ack w bark, We're back. This is ministry X.
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I am Daniel X. We're gonna look at some news stories and then I
1:33:54
will send you on your way. And I suppose I'll start with this from
1:34:04
the ap Vatican says it's permissible for transgender Catholics to be baptized in the United
1:34:16
States, the National Conference on Catholic Bishops rejects the concept of gender transition,
1:34:23
leaving many transgender Catholics feeling excluded. On Wednesday, the Vatican made public a
1:34:30
sharply contrasting statement saying it's permissible under certain circumstances for trans Catholics to be baptized
1:34:41
and serve as God parents. So trans Catholics not trans Catholics, like they're
1:34:50
not transitioning to become a Catholic. They are a trans person who is a
1:34:58
Catholic. Well, right away, I'm just going to say, if you
1:35:03
are a genuine believer in Jesus despite the gender confusion that you're having or whatever
1:35:14
you're experiencing, and you want to declare that, and you're also making a
1:35:23
commitment to live a life of repentance and seek God in seek healing, then
1:35:35
by all means become baptized. But understand that means dying to the flesh,
1:35:45
dying to your old self, the old man or woman or other in this
1:35:54
case, and becoming a new creation so God can remake you. God says
1:36:00
to you, Look, I made you the way that you are, with
1:36:02
the parts that you have, and your personality and your predilections and everything.
1:36:12
So let's see what the Catholic church has to say. Though, And I
1:36:17
don't mean to pick on Catholics, and I did it again this episode,
1:36:25
but I got an email a while back and someone was saying, why do
1:36:29
you always put Catholics up against like witches, crazy people, serial killers,
1:36:33
and Catholics, and I don't mean to do that. I was raised Catholics,
1:36:40
sort of, and there are many things about the Catholic Church that I
1:36:47
do appreciate, and I do think they have correct in their theology. And
1:36:56
obviously I have my problems with the Catholic Church and specifically the Vatican. I
1:37:01
mean, that's no secret. But let me just continue reading the article.
1:37:11
Quote. It is a major step for trans inclusion. It is big and
1:37:15
good news, unquote, said Francis D. Bernardo, executive director of Maryland
1:37:23
based New Ways Ministry, which advocates for greater LGBTQ acceptance in the church.
1:37:35
The document was signed October twenty first by Pope Francis and Cardinal Victor Manuel Fernandez,
1:37:43
who heads the Vaticans Disastery Dicastery. I don't know what that word is
1:37:50
for the doctrine of the faith. It was posted Wednesday on that office's website.
1:37:58
If it did not cause scandal or or disorientation among other Catholics, a
1:38:02
transgender person quote may receive baptism under the same conditions as other faithful, the
1:38:10
document said. If it did not cause scandal or disorientation among other Catholics.
1:38:18
Similarly, the document said trans adults, even if they had undergone gender transition
1:38:25
surgery, could serve as godfathers or godmothers under certain conditions. What about God
1:38:32
others? Because you can't go, you can't say God, and you can't
1:38:40
say father, and you can't say mother. D Bernardo said this seemed to
1:38:46
be a reversal of a twenty fifteen Vatican decision to bar a trans man in
1:38:53
Spain from becoming a godparent. During his papacy, Pope Francis has frequently expressed
1:39:00
an interest in making the Catholic Church more welcoming to LGBTQ people, even though
1:39:06
doctrines rejecting same sex marriage and sexual activity remain firmly in place. A small
1:39:16
but growing number of US parishes have formed LGBTQ support groups and welcome transgender people
1:39:25
on their own terms. Yet several Catholic dioceses have issued guidelines targeting trans people
1:39:31
with restrictions and refusing to recognize their gender identity. Yeah. Well, yeah,
1:39:43
I already said what I was going to say about it. There's a
1:39:45
little bit more to this article here. I'm not going to read the whole
1:39:47
article. You can find it ap news dot com. And I'm just going
1:40:02
to do a couple stories today. My next story comes to you from NaturalNews
1:40:10
dot com. Italy becomes first nation to ban Bill Gates's fake meat due to
1:40:18
quote serious health concerns. In a first for the developed world, the European
1:40:28
nation of Italy has decided to ban all fake meat from the country, citing
1:40:33
serious health concerns. Numerous recent studies show that lab grown synthetic meat of the
1:40:41
kind being promoted by billionaire eugenicist Bill Gates is triggering the formation of turbo cancers
1:40:49
in humans. Wuhan coronavirus COVID nineteen vaccines are doing the same thing, by
1:40:57
the way. In contrast to a recent decision by the Biden regime to fast
1:41:04
track the approval of synthetic meat here in America, Italy is taking the opposite
1:41:11
approach by banning the stuff outright before it gets the chance to harm the Italian
1:41:16
people. Quote. Italy is the first nation to say no to synthetic food.
1:41:23
To so called synthetic meat, announced Health Minister o Razzio Schillaci. Schillaci,
1:41:31
I don't know how to say that's sorry, Cilaci. I had to
1:41:42
try really hard not to make any Canada jokes when Nathan was on, and
1:41:46
now I'm trying really hard not to make any Super Mario Brothers Italian jokes.
1:41:54
No pasta puns, as my daughter would say. The resolution calls for a
1:42:02
commitment to ban the production, marketing and import of synthetic foods within our territory.
1:42:10
So does that apply to all the other GMO food or is this just
1:42:15
lab grown meat. Italy's new regulations against synthetic meat aim to protect the general
1:42:25
public against any situation in which quote, the environmental public health could be at
1:42:30
risk, or where there is uncertainty regarding the effects of certain products that are
1:42:38
being or will be introduced to the market or consumed. It is crucial to
1:42:45
have measures in place to address these potential risks and ensure the safety of the
1:42:49
environment and public health in such cases. He added, well, yeah,
1:42:56
exactly, that's what you want to do. There's a little video here to
1:43:04
say no to synthetic food, to so called synthetic meat. It does so
1:43:11
with a formal and official act. The resolutions called for a commitment to ban
1:43:15
the production, marketing, and import of synthetic foods within our territory. These
1:43:23
regulations aim to regulate situations where the environment or public health could be at risk,
1:43:30
or when there is uncertainty regarding the effects of certain products that are being
1:43:34
or will be introduced to the market or consumed. It is crucial to have
1:43:39
measures in place to address these potential risks and ensure the safety of the environment
1:43:45
and public health in such Okay, So that's what I just basically read.
1:43:49
So this is like the FDA, you know, if our FDA was any
1:43:55
good, you know, actually doing its job, and you know, the
1:44:01
idea of lab grown meat is just sort of repulsive to me. I was
1:44:09
trying to explain to Nathan Millennial that, like, I want to still feel
1:44:14
like, you know, I'm eating a cow, I'm eating a chicken.
1:44:18
This is an animal. It's meat. It's not just you know, meat
1:44:25
cells, it's not just protein cells, because then I get icked out,
1:44:31
Like that's why, you know, And there's a whole lot of other economic
1:44:39
implications and agricultural implications, environmental implications of doing this. It's already very hard
1:44:46
to get truly organic foods because the pesticides spray over into the organic fields and
1:45:00
you know, trademarked seeds are cross pollinated, you know, with organic fields,
1:45:08
and the seed is corrupted. What I'm saying is a lot of what
1:45:12
we already eat is highly adulterated, definitely not kosher. So I guess,
1:45:23
yeah, the uh, the idea is to be as natural and close to
1:45:29
the earth as possible. So if you have some space in your yard,
1:45:38
then by all means start a garden and use heirloom seeds. I mean,
1:45:45
you could never just go completely natural. That's almost impossible in our society.
1:45:53
But at least you can draw the line at lab grown meat and be like,
1:45:58
yeah, I'm not really interested in turbo cancer. I mean, the
1:46:01
food I eat already is probably gonna give me cancer and heart disease and high
1:46:06
blood pressure and diabetes and all the things we die of. But at least
1:46:13
we can try to make some you know, healthier decisions. And that's certainly
1:46:17
one. And if you just have an apartment or whatever, do you only
1:46:21
have a little bit of space, maybe a tabletop or something, well,
1:46:26
have a little herb garden, grow some herbs. The stuff you use the
1:46:30
most parsley, cilantro chives, green onions, rosemary. I use a lot
1:46:40
of green onions, a lot of cilantro, you know stuff that I use
1:46:45
a lot, whatever you use, that's less trips to the grocery store.
1:46:51
And just like natural herbs that have all kinds of like nutrients in them and
1:47:00
helpful chemicals. Okay, well I'm gonna end it there. You've been listening
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Telegram. Sorry, I haven't been very active in the social medias, but
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if people start showing up, then I'll start posting some more stuff, like
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links to the articles. The Daily Star article we talked about today and the
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news articles will be in the show notes, and as always, until next
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time, beware the Alien Savior. Thanks for listening. Hapen A Hapen a Bot,