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Second Chance Schwartzy - Raw Deal · Thirsty For More - Movie Review

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  Speaker 1: M do it it? Come on show.
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  Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to Schwartzy the Podcast, The Schwartzy Show.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, I'm your host, Malenko. What we're on the
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  Speaker 2: Schwartzy Show. I know it's hard to believe, dude, it's uh, well,
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  Speaker 2: who are you first? I'm Alex and Alex something that
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  Speaker 2: I have to tell you is, yeah, we're back on
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  Speaker 2: Schwartzy because Diino Dila Reentis will leave us alone. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we've got to go back to our head
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  Speaker 2: day dude. Of course, of course before it all went downhill. Dude,
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  Speaker 2: at this point, I think it's safe to say that
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  Speaker 2: we're only revisiting these two movies. And let me say
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  Speaker 2: which to please, Raw Deal in Red Heat, because they
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  Speaker 2: became the blueprints for us for what it means to
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  Speaker 2: be a surprising good movie and a surprising bad movie,
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  Speaker 2: and the surprising bad movie in the case of when
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  Speaker 2: we watched it originally was Raw Deal. But I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if you feel about it out, dude.
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  Speaker 1: Judging deals a red heat for me, Dude, I.
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  Speaker 2: Was so excited to talk about how Raw Deal is
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  Speaker 2: a red heat, and I thought that it might be
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  Speaker 2: I know, Okay, well, let's just say, so we're starting
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  Speaker 2: the conversation off with a bang here. Raw Deal nineteen
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  Speaker 2: eighty six is Raw Deal, directed by John Irvin.
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  Speaker 1: And co written by Norman Wexler, who I recently watched Joe.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever seen Joe before the
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventies.
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  Speaker 2: Joe.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, it's not true. Yeah, no, it's not.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's about a rich guy who accidentally murders his daughter's
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  Speaker 1: drug dealer boyfriend. But my daughter, that's important. And then
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  Speaker 1: it goes to a bar after and eats a fucking lunatic,
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  Speaker 1: like right wing militia guy. So this like conservative dude
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  Speaker 1: meets like a right wing militia guy who's like Melissa, Ah,
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  Speaker 1: these N words are destroying everything, and those f words
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  Speaker 1: are also destroying that. Peter Peter Boyle plays him, of course,
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  Speaker 1: and they go on just like like you gotta see it, dude.
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  Speaker 1: It's like it was made yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: It was.
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  Speaker 1: It's truly one of the best representations of like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: right wing lunacy and militia types and presented in the
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  Speaker 1: best most Peter Boyle way.
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  Speaker 3: And they gotta have pandos to see where I'm going.
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  Speaker 1: Oh want he be back. The white kids.
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  Speaker 2: Would you ask him to call me please? The rich
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  Speaker 2: white kids?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, the number here is the worst seven sugarpit all
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  Speaker 3: the way cars, the best colleges. They ca orgies, Yes,
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  Speaker 3: William copy Christmas Easter, thank you. They go someplace like
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  Speaker 3: a fancy resort and have or Easter orgies today, christ Rose.
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  Speaker 3: They're all screwing one another. And the poor kids and
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  Speaker 3: the middle class kids, they're all copying. The rich kids
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  Speaker 3: were all going the same goddamn screw America Way.
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  Speaker 2: Hippies. Schwartzy alum Peter Boyle, Dude.
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  Speaker 1: Schwartzy Alum, Peter Boyle. He also wrote curproco he co
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  Speaker 1: wrote this, which I didn't The thing that got me
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  Speaker 1: about this the last time, which I didn't realize was
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  Speaker 1: that I actually misunderstood what the plot was about me too,
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  Speaker 1: And watching it this time, I was like, that's what
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  Speaker 1: this movie is.
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  Speaker 2: Well, can I just say this movie actually reminded me
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  Speaker 2: so much of And I'm hoping that this episode can
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  Speaker 2: be us explaining the plot to each other because I
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  Speaker 2: think it'll make it make for an enjoyable episode. But
• 4:08
  Speaker 2: because we've already covered the movie so like, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I don't know, I feel like if we can
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  Speaker 2: sort of understand it better, it might be.
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  Speaker 1: More you cover the movie. I feel like we were
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  Speaker 1: so wrong, we were so.
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  Speaker 2: Great. I enjoyed the movie so much. I enjoyed the
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  Speaker 2: enjoyed the movie so much, And it was the exact
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  Speaker 2: amount of time to pass to watch between viewings of Rogers.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I watch it on a five year
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  Speaker 2: or four year schedule.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, it's a he did a really good job.
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  Speaker 1: Schwartzy did a really good job. Which movie did it
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  Speaker 1: remind you of?
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  Speaker 2: It reminded me of Color of Night Color, Oh, the
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  Speaker 2: Bruce Willis movie. The Bruce Willis movie. Yeah, yeah, like
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  Speaker 2: the same kind of Like it actually does explain a
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  Speaker 2: lot the plot is. It's like kind of a well
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  Speaker 2: written movie.
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  Speaker 1: It's a well written movie. It has like a lot
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  Speaker 1: of layers, Like it's outrageous, peak outrageous, Like the way,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, the way Schwartzi is introduced all the
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  Speaker 1: first stuff. I agree with myself. I think I think
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  Speaker 1: I shouted out most of the first like half hour
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  Speaker 1: of this movie. I enjoyed, I enjoyed, I enjoyed the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing. But like the first introduction of schwartzy being
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  Speaker 1: like a guy chasing down a fucking yeah with that
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  Speaker 1: fucking out. The music is really good.
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  Speaker 2: And singer Roby in this movie Canadian Icon Roby one
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  Speaker 2: night in Bangkok. Yeah, I mean she did a cover
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  Speaker 2: of it. Do you know who I'm talking about?
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  Speaker 1: I think I know what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: She's the girlfriend of Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also like
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  Speaker 2: remembered the details in this I was focused on the
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  Speaker 2: wrong things.
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  Speaker 1: Like yeah, I was focused on the wrong things one
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  Speaker 1: hundred percent as well, And that's Fine's you know we're
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  Speaker 1: wrong and we admit it. I'm wrong. We're wrong sometimes
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  Speaker 1: never almost never.
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  Speaker 2: But I got when I when I am. I have
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  Speaker 2: self awareness, I know.
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  Speaker 1: And everybody's basically a Danny Malroon in this movie too,
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  Speaker 1: m I don't know what that means, Like.
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  Speaker 2: Every actor is, and in the beginning of it, especially
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  Speaker 2: a Serbian, they're all.
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  Speaker 1: They're all we talked about this last time though, they're
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  Speaker 1: very much all. Some sort of got on Metroslav.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think this was like the beginning of
• 6:49
  Speaker 2: Mitroslav in the sort.
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  Speaker 1: Of or Nausha or some some name that's like a
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  Speaker 1: nickname as well, of course, but yeah, Schwartzy's introduction is incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, so look, like do you want to just like
• 7:03
  Speaker 2: let's Boner Show style, give the the quick recap. It's basically,
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  Speaker 2: a disgraced FBI agent is put in touch with his
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  Speaker 2: former boss or sergeant after a murder has gone down,
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  Speaker 2: of like a mob hit murder has gone down to
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  Speaker 2: cover up, you know, like somebody was about to testify
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  Speaker 2: against the very son was No, no, no, not his son.
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  Speaker 2: His son was an FBI agent.
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  Speaker 1: No, the son got killed.
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  Speaker 2: Son got killed in the line of duty, but was
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  Speaker 2: was a protective FBI agent who was protecting the guy
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  Speaker 2: who gets killed.
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  Speaker 1: Well, almost got yourself killed, right right.
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  Speaker 2: Because they're like what did they say, like you want
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  Speaker 2: to look at you want to look at look look
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  Speaker 2: at yourself. They like make the like witness because the
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  Speaker 2: FBI agent was protecting the witness. Yeah okay, so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but everybody died him you did, everybody and everybody I.
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  Speaker 1: Know all of them died and it was like brutal,
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  Speaker 1: like and that part where they fucking like they like
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  Speaker 1: point the gun at his fucking head and they shoot
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  Speaker 1: him and it cuts before sintense. It was great.
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  Speaker 2: Are you talking about the one where they shoot him
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  Speaker 2: in front of the mirror, and they shoot him through
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  Speaker 2: the face and it shoots into the glass and shatters
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  Speaker 2: the mirror. It's crazy. It's a great scene. Yeah, there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of like really cool shots of this movie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's also a lot of like amounts of layers
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  Speaker 1: that are like really interesting where it's like, man, there's
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  Speaker 1: so much like intrigue, And that's part of why I
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  Speaker 1: never think of intrigue. SCHWARTZI like him. He the plot
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  Speaker 1: of the movie is basically a former FBI agent turned
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  Speaker 1: small town sheriff and this this they should have just
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  Speaker 1: made The Last Stand a sequel to this movie helps
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  Speaker 1: the the FBI chief infiltrate of Chicago Mafia when the FBI, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: when the FBI is chief son is killed by them.
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  Speaker 1: So the fact that it's like this idea of like
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get revenge through SCHWARTZI as a tool,
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  Speaker 1: and the way Schwartzy fucking kills himself with this movie
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  Speaker 1: to like infiltrate the gang is so outrageous.
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  Speaker 2: Well, like all of the choices he makes to infiltrate
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  Speaker 2: the gang is amazing, amazing. Ye, But one thing that
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say that that that that your
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  Speaker 2: description doesn't say is that, like the the FBI agent
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  Speaker 2: hires SCHWARTZI as an independent contract, which is amazing, with
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  Speaker 2: only the promise that he's maybe gonna get back into
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  Speaker 2: the FBI exactly so, And with with that very flimsy
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  Speaker 2: only promise, Schwartzy like fakes his own death and leaves
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  Speaker 2: his like like depressed drunken wife like on her own
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  Speaker 2: thinking that he's just die.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the choice is incredible, not just because
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  Speaker 1: it adds so much to Schwartzy's character, it does like
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  Speaker 1: totally like but like it's not baffling, Like he's clearly
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  Speaker 1: like almost like reveling in the stunt driving that he.
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  Speaker 2: Does at the beginning of the movie.
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  Speaker 1: And and his wife does kind of suck and mist, I.
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  Speaker 2: Know, I disagree. I think his he's fucking sucks. And
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  Speaker 2: the guy listen to disagree. No, I think he fucking sucks.
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  Speaker 2: He fucking like, Okay, so he's a fucking cop. First
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  Speaker 2: of all, he beat up a guy who.
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  Speaker 1: Like pretending to be a cop.
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  Speaker 2: No no, no, no no no no no no. The reason
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  Speaker 2: that they're the reason that they're exiled, and like he
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  Speaker 2: has to work in a shit town, which is something
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  Speaker 2: she did not sign up for. So she resents him
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  Speaker 2: because he made their choices.
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  Speaker 1: They're in like not witness protection. But he was gonna
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  Speaker 1: like lose his job or something.
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  Speaker 2: He resigned because he beat up a guy who molested
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  Speaker 2: murders and utilated her of course he I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: supposed to like, okay, so it's supposed to be like, well,
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  Speaker 2: we all would do that to someone who did something
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  Speaker 2: like that, and it's like, no, police brutality is wrong
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  Speaker 2: and bad, and it's.
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  Speaker 1: Like if you not believe in police anyway, So who cares?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, no no. But this movie is
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  Speaker 2: trying to win us our favor by being like, Schwartze
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  Speaker 2: is a good guy. But I'm I'm making the argument
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  Speaker 2: that this guy made an outrageous decision and threw violence
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  Speaker 2: towards someone. Of course, while seeking justice, ruined his own
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  Speaker 2: life and the life of his wife, who's now depressed
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  Speaker 2: and drunk all the time. Yeah, and why so why
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  Speaker 2: explain to me why she sucks? Because she we only get,
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  Speaker 2: We only get her reacting to what the situation that's
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  Speaker 2: going on.
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  Speaker 1: But we know that he's a just person because he
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  Speaker 1: kills somebody and beats somebody up that mutilated admitted somebody.
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  Speaker 2: Well we learned that through contextcustory. Well, like that's my
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  Speaker 2: big thing about the like motive, the motivations are like,
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  Speaker 2: what's most interesting to me about this watching it this
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  Speaker 2: time around because they're.
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  Speaker 1: So loucid, so outrageous. But the choices that he does
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  Speaker 1: make to like, it's outrageous, it's out. It adds so
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  Speaker 1: much complexity to him, like totally because it's like what
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: what what? This is what the movie's about? Totally because
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  Speaker 1: also like the way he kills himself is like, hey
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  Speaker 1: makes his own death.
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  Speaker 2: Utory you should say he explodes a gasoline factory because
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  Speaker 2: he's going on the to be explained.
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  Speaker 1: Why should I have to explain it over and over again?
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  Speaker 1: I know the audience knows about what that. He he
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  Speaker 1: faked his own death.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, no, yeah, sorry sorry, but you're just
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  Speaker 2: like the way he killed himself and like he just
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  Speaker 2: like and it's so casual.
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  Speaker 1: So casual. He lights up a gasoline factory, like rides
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  Speaker 1: off on the motors a secret motorcycle. But the but
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  Speaker 1: the the performance is interesting because it's almost.
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  Speaker 2: We have this motorcycle registered to your husband's name, do
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  Speaker 2: you know any I mean that or he stole it,
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  Speaker 2: Like it's got to be one or the other. And somebody,
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  Speaker 2: somebody must have investigated his death. I mean it's like
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  Speaker 2: like seems to have like unst unlatched a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: gasoline onto his own car. We couldn't find a body either,
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: so there's a chance for life. Like, I've got a
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  Speaker 2: lot of questions. Also, it was the Irvin Company, Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: which we mentioned last time.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, oh, I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 2: The director of the movie. Yeah, but it's also I.
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  Speaker 1: Think Irving is one of the gas producers here.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's like the billionaire. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We only the fact that we only get snippets of
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  Speaker 1: this guy's identity before, and he's just like, well, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just gonna like be like a cool, like fuck around
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  Speaker 1: kind of dude.
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  Speaker 2: Because of how confidently he embodies the new identity that
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  Speaker 2: you're like, wow, oh yeah, it's really he hated your
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  Speaker 2: life like he hated his life.
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  Speaker 1: He hated his life. He was trying to make the
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  Speaker 1: best of it.
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  Speaker 2: We're like cows. The writing is weird because I feel
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  Speaker 2: like he was trying to like mimic. Sorry I keep
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: interrupting you. No, that's okay. It's like trying to mimic
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  Speaker 2: like normal dialogue, which is interesting. We're like the fat
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  Speaker 2: cows that get stuck here.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you owe the fat cow. No, but like here's
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  Speaker 1: the thing, I get it. I understand your perspective, but
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  Speaker 1: like what perspective about about his wife. I totally understand
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: that perspective and like of course like a meaning. But
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  Speaker 1: at the same time, it's like.
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  Speaker 2: She's definitely bitch coded. But the movie is you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean, Like the movie wants us to think
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  Speaker 2: that she's a bitch.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I don't. I don't even mean
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  Speaker 1: like like she sucks in that way. It's that like, hey, dude,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, I made I made a hard decision.
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  Speaker 1: And also like like from from I get, I get
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  Speaker 1: the police brutality thing, like I'm not I'm not one
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  Speaker 1: who's going to be like oh yeah, like it's good
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  Speaker 1: that he did illegal thing, especially because you're gonna lose
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  Speaker 1: the case if you do illegal things. Like a system
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: exists in what Yeah, and the whole story is like
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: the so the prosecutor like, uh, the prosecutor like like
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: it's like you either resign or be prosecuted or be prosecuted,
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: which is like fair, like you should do that, should
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  Speaker 1: have he resigned, right, so he resigned. But at the
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  Speaker 1: same time, it's like, you know, from a perspective of like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: like I was trying to do like a good, good,
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  Speaker 1: noble thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's shorthand. It's short movie shorthand. He's a good guy,
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  Speaker 2: but he's a good guy, but he'll the or he
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  Speaker 2: beat the fuck up out of a guy. We all
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  Speaker 2: would have beat the fuck up totally totally.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like it's not like what's it called. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't explore that complexity that like what's it called? Like
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  Speaker 1: in Cape Fear when when you know no D Day.
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  Speaker 2: I can barely get to one myself does what he consequences,
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: but the movie, the movie would have to be about that.
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  Speaker 2: This movie is not about exactly so.
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  Speaker 1: But but the interesting thing is like, man, like whoa dude,
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  Speaker 1: like you just like left your wife like that that's insane.
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  Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, so that's my that's my further proof
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  Speaker 2: is that okay, fine, one thing to live in exile
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  Speaker 2: because of a noble choice that you made, you know,
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  Speaker 2: that could be a whole thing. You fucking right after
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  Speaker 2: this huge fight, you fake your death and led your
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  Speaker 2: wife who's already sad and alone and thinks this is
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  Speaker 2: her life. Now you let her think that. Like that's
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  Speaker 2: just downright, it's insane.
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  Speaker 1: It's like and it's like not just that, but to
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  Speaker 1: go and basically just have a good time, because like it.
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  Speaker 2: Is, he's not like a weird emotional affair that we'll
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: talk about because I paid attention way more to the
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: relationship this time, and it's insane. The side relationship that
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Schwartzy has, the platonic side relationship that he has. That's
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  Speaker 2: also very because he's emotionally manipulative and worrisome. But what's
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  Speaker 2: interesting is the same level of sadisticness that he treated
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: his wife with is the the kind of definitely like
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a dead eyed psycho.
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  Speaker 1: Total like it's but like but with the with the
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  Speaker 1: confidence and and humor of like Schwartzy from from.
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  Speaker 2: Knock Knock, like other Schwarzi's that we know, yeah, like
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  Speaker 2: what he wanted to use that, but the friendliness of
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: other Schwarz.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they were reminded me of of what's it
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  Speaker 1: called pumping iron Schwarzi where he's a bit of a
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  Speaker 1: dick and a bit of a psychle and like like
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: but like it's darned music.
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  Speaker 2: The music was great.
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  Speaker 1: The music was great, which I think we did talk
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  Speaker 1: about last time too. But this first fight scene when
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: he infiltrates the gang and like he throws the magnetic
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: marbles down, dude, it's so sick. It's and I gotta
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  Speaker 1: say the filmmaking is actually legitimately incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Of this movie, I would say so too. It was
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: like pretty impressive. I mean I think, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: looked at in the larger canon of SCHWARTZI I know
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: why we didn't like this one as much, But I'm
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: glad that we get to kind of like look at
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: it in a little bit more of an isolated perspective,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: you know, like, yeah, it is an interesting rewatch for sure,
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  Speaker 2: like an unexpected I was kind of not gonna lie,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: I was kind of ready to, like just I had
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: such low expectations and like this movie became like a
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: meme for the whole show. Yeah, like, are we even
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: gonna be able to call things raw deals anymore? We're
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: gonna even more call things a raw deal because maybe
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: it's good, dude, maybe it is good.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: That's the thing, like, like not just that scene, but
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: like afterwards when when I don't know if they meant
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: to do this, I don't think they meant to do
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: this for the movie, but it comes off incredible because
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: of the fact that him leaving his wife, him doing
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: the things that he does in the movie totally become
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: justified based around who the character is.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: So like when he takes the peace stands for pussy did.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, So when he starts, like when he fucking
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: takes that truck and just like drives it, but it's nice.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: To the old Could you move a little bit people?
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: It shows he kind of has like a dexter morality
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: that if he thinks you're like a scumbag, it's fine
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: to do whatever to you, But if you're nice, the coat.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Of Harry is satisfying, and so am I.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: He's just he's like the kind of people the conservatives say,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: but if you get rid of the police, then everyone's
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: gonna be crazy all killing people all the time.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: And if you get rid of the police, people like
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: this get away with crimes like this.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like crimes against bad people. Yeah, that's why the
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: law is bad, dude, It protects the bad people.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, dude, yeah, I mean you said it, dude.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: You wanted Schwartzy to get punished for this. He does
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: get punished, Yeah, he does. And you want you think
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: he deserves it, then I don't.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Libertarianzi. It's like pretty libertarian Sharzi, like the way his
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: eyes glow up at the muddy sometimes get like big
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: stacks of cash for himself, you know he did. Yeah,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: tie of this ship. Yeah, dude, I've been grinding for
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: for eleven years. I got nothing to show for. My
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: wife wants to leave me.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: And I leave her thinking that I'm dead.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: I leave her thinking in the wake of days to
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: get that. I leave her wondering what it was going
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: through my mind when they got in the line of duty.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: But like I will still say that there are some
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: critiques that I still think hold up against.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: This movie.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Is a little bit like He's cool, normal, intimidating, And
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I love when, dude, when when he like goes and
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: almost gets killed at that like warehouse or whatever, and
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: he gets shot at that, he sees the dead body
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: of one of his goons and does the cross. Wait.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, so this is the Sorry, this is the question
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: that I wanted to ask you. It's very rare that
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: we get a movie and I would argue that some
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: of his later canon is problematic because of this. But
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: it's very rare that we get a Schwartzy movie that
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: isn't somehow about the body. And this movie isn't about
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: the body at all. It meant mentions it and kind
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: of like like sort of like side jokes of like
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I guess I'm a little bit out of shape. Like
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: it's like, dude, you like it, Like it's like just
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: like the most ripped ever. Yeah, you're the most mister
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: universe in this movie. Yeah, and like so so it
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: kind of it's like it's Schwartzy's not you know, it
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: doesn't there's no reason for him to be a jacked guy.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: He's just a cop.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Well that's the thing is that like he's also in
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: this mode of like agility that they try and present
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: in the movie that he's like way quicker.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: So fucking weird. Yeah, he doesn't do cardio towards. He
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: just bodybuilds. I mean yeah, it's just about pumping iron.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Don't do any treadmills. This stuffs for sisses. I don't
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I'm sure I don't do Cardio. He stupid. He doesn't
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: want to lose muscle though, because Cardio will lose your muscle.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: But dude, when he robs the fucking girlfriend of the
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: mob boss, that's like.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Robe, Yeah, with this like Boston, you know, like he's rhotic.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: He revels in the psychotic moments in a way where
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: it's like, well, now that I'm a free agent, I
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: can do this stuff. You know why it's interesting. It's
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: it's he's functioning like a cop, because he's functioning in
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: a way that cops know how to flout the law
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: when they know the law doesn't exist. It's like nothing that,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: nothing will happen to me. These are all more going
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: to call a car. I'm gonna put a gun on
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: them from a treehalf and they'll have to do what
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: I say. And he's like reveling in that. He's reveling
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: in the freedom of that.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: But like, what what I think you're interpreting as reveling
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: because like it's.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Which I agree with, it's the charm I agree with.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Is it the charge?
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: It's totally the charm. But it's like I don't think
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: he thought of it that way, but it's so much
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: more interesting than it is that way because they kind
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: of like, I disagree. I don't know if they're disagreeing
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: it for a laugh.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: No, I disagree. I think Schwartzy's making choices. I think
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: I think Schwartzy's you know why, And I'll tell you
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: exactly why. I think that listening to his interview talking
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: about how he did the Terminator and how he kind
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: of like mimicked how a movement would go, but he
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: only did that based on like kind of his own intuition,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: and that was something that he told himself. That tells
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: me that he's like, oh, he's a little bit happy
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: in this moment because he's he's got a gun on.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: He feels empowered for the first time. You know, I
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: think Schwartzy's making me choices. Dude, maybe what year is?
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: This is eight eighty six, right, so it's after It's
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: it's after Terminator, the first before the second Terminator, which
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: is an interesting moment because they try and recreate the
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: end of Terminator one in this movie.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: He'll find that's what he does. That's all he got.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: He can't stop him.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: He'll wait for you put a hard out.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Create a lot of I know TV they kind of
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: wanted to mimic some of those scenes. I think.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I think so too his first meet with Robert Dovey,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: who I loved man the first time and this time
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I love him. Maybe you're right, Actually, maybe he is
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: making those choices because he is kind of like playing
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: off Dobby being a.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Psycho, and he knows exactly how to go to Dovey
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: in a way that shows a very much a pumping
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: iron and sensibility of like oh true, like oh fuck
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: this guy. I know what this guy's like. This guy's
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: a loser. He's gonna fall for every one of my jobs,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: every one of my chobs.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: But also I think that the sadism part is like
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: is he playing it the complexity of like I'm playing
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: this character as this character is playing a character, or
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: is it like he's enjoying it, And it would be
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: a little bit like the interpretation. I'm gonna interpret it
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: that way because it's much more interesting that way. I
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: don't know if it's like written I was written in
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: as your wife so that I could watch you and
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: make sure the erasure took in as your wife.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, I see the thing. Okay,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: we'll never know for.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: S with Wexler. It could be like Surpaico and Joe.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: And there's another one in there.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: That's like a really good written movie could be. It
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: could be the thing that makes me think that it's
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: partially Schwartzy's awareness is also a performance like the other
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: early movie that he did, Stay Hungry, Yes, yeah, his
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: role and Stay Hungry where it's like he's kind of
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: playing himself. I think he went with sort of playing
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: not himself, but like a version of his own motivations
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: in this And I think this is a character that
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Schwartzy really understood and really took the time to try
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: and understand. I just think Schwartzy's a little bit limited
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: at this point, kind of like limited in terms of
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: scope and range. Like I don't think he he thinks.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think he has the like range of emotion
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: to understand maybe intellectually, some of this stuff, you know
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: what I mean, like the complexities which actually make it
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: work better because they simplify his motivations. That's true, and
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: a man speaking of simple There's that scene where the
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: that gang group of people follow him in the alleyway
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: right before the cops come, Donnie sends them to exactly
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: and then he beats the shit out of two and
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: the one guy pulls out a knife and they just
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: kind of stand there like to see who's gonna And
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I love that kind of shit because it's like in
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: this in this day and age, it feels like a
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: lot more stuff would happen as opposed to just like,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: you know, three guys in a night sometimes just fucking
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: take down a SCHWARTZI it's not like and sometimes that's
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: sometimes those moments are particularly interesting because there's a static
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: moment in those moments where you're like trying to gauge
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: what the person's gonna do next. You're kind of like,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: if you're pretty evenly balanced, you're making those kind of calculations, Yeah,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So like it makes sense
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: that someone would do that, you know what I mean.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: It's not like some of those VANDAM movies.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Where people just like are choreographed blindly charging after one another.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: So there is like a weird dose of realism in
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: this movie in a weird way, and then in other
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: ways it's so over the top, which is very much
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: appreciated because like this time around, I watched it as
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: a comedy a little bit. It's funny. It is funny. Yeah,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: it's a funny movie. It's a funny movie. Yeah yeah.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: And they have this like kind of awkward moment where
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: they're sort of like standing off and then Schwartzy like
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: beats the fuck out of them. They run away, and
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: then they're like then this like police officer that's basically
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: like the guy who's also Chicago Schwartzy. Did we talk
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: last time? Chicago? It like a city that doesn't feel
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: like it would ever be home to. I can see
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: him in New York, I can see him. I can
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: of course see him in LA. I can mostly see
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: him in LA. I can see him in the South.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I can maybe even see him in Europe. But Midwest Swartzy,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess twins also, yeah, we do have
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: some Midwest Schwartzy sometimes.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: And then there's that same cop he does like a
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: bust in like a giant house, which also like had
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: like a really good.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Sexy lady cop. Oh yeah, like it's been while since
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: you had to piss.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: And they take down the what's the main bad guy's
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: name again?
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Patravita Luigi Patravita Luigia amazing dude. They sees his money, well,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: so yeah, they get to one of his operations and
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: they see his heroin and his money. They do like
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: a big bust And it's kind of cool because it
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: shows just how at the time I remember thinking it
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: was such an over the top performance from Patravita, but
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: actually people who are in positions like this are like this.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: He's like and he's so confident in his position as
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: a major mob boss that he's kind of flo floating.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: His power a little bit more loosely than and Dovey
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: belongs to the other gang that is against him, right.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: No, he's a he's one of his capos. Oh okay,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: he's another one. There's a couple of capo's. That's what's confusing.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: But he's more an enforcer, that's the thing. The other
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: guy's a capo. The guy who like introduced the kind
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: of like juicy lipped guy that what's that guy's name?
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Oh man, he's like the sidekick of Patrovita. It's a
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: lot of characters, so it's kind of hard. He kind
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: of looks like those like nineties middle aged TV actors.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like Peter, what's that guy's name again, Peter,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: the guy that Keenan loves, Peter, not Peter Strong.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Oh were you talking about Dexter's dad?
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Maybe? No, not that James, not that guy. Another guy.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Oh man, anytime I want to know fuck, I should
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: text Keenan. I always he always remembers for me. Fuck.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: What's the guy's name? Anyway, it doesn't matter. It's like
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: a like a bushy eyebrows kind of guy.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, Peter Gallagher, Peter Gallagher, that's it, Yeah, bushy eyebros.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Didn't this guy didn't this guy remind you of of
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: of Peter Gallagher? Didn't This actor reminde so like he's
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: like a capo. And then this this other guy, Robert
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Dobby's an enforcer, but they want another enforcer because they
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: want to expand their operations. This was my understanding. And
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Schwartzy shows them the cracks in their security by by
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: attacking them at strategic points because he thinks like a
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: cop and thusly also like a criminal, because we see
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: that he also doesn't really follow the rules. He just
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: will chase a police impersonator down in a regular unmarked
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: car and like catch him and in unconventional ways. So schwartzy,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: like he's a get the job done kind of guy.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: And he shows Patrovita the cracks in his security thereby
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: getting a meeting with Patrovita in order to like a
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: plead his case as to why he should be, you know,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: another enforcer. And he kind of like cocks Robert Dove
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: in these scenes, like he's a little bit younger, he's
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: a little more like agile. He's a little like he's
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: smart asked, and he's like showing he's flaunting in moments
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: like some smart assery even towards Patrovito as a tactic
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: to show him that he's like I guess he's kind
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: of nagging him almost he's like him, you know, he's
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: like he wants to show that he's a cocky guy,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: to show that that's how good he is, to sort
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: of like fast track his position in this in this
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: mob family. It's really kind of like a brilliant tactic.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: It is a brilliant tactic. And when he like goes
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: to get drunk with Monique oh Man, and.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: When does so has he met Monique at this point.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, he met her by giving her a thousand
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: dollars that the the cap.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Gives him as like a true go have fun, have
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: fun on us, give him a thousand dollars in chips,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: and she's like a degenerate gambler.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: She's like, which was also amazing.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Such an interesting plot point because she's also so glamorous,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: like she's wearing always the best outfits at.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Her being like him being like, did you win anything,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: and she's like, well, I got to keep my cab there,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: and it's like the fact that it was sold, yeah,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: the fact that she was so yeah, a degenerate gambler, and.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: She's kind of candid about it, which, like I think
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: serves to give her a lot of like there's a
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: lot of pathos there, and there's like a lot of
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: immediate understanding for her motivations as well, because she's then
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: used to try and get information from Schwartzy, but she
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: also definitely has a thing for him, like she likes
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: him a lot.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: And then when he falls asleep and she opens his
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: shirt and she's like, oh, damn, I could have been
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: fucking this jack to dude.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: She was excited. It was she was excited to fuck
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: this jack dude. And then he falls asleep and like
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: pretends that's the snore tries the too. Chwarzi. Yeah, and
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: then she's like looking through his his driver's license, at
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: his passport, and I guess like they had the money
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: to falsify everything because he's the guy.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: The guy who hired CHWARTZI was like, I'll give you
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: forty five grand, which in eighty six money is like
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like a million dollars or whatever.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: It's not quite but I looked. I did look up
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: some of the money though. Two hundred and fifty thousand dollars,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: which is what he gives to Monique at the end,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: is now worth six hundred and seventy eight thousand dollars
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. So that's like setting her money. It's like
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: really setting her up. And also like cost of living
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: back then was also like yeah, like she was set
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: yeah for a while. I mean she also just gambled
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: it all the way. You know, she gambled it all. Yeah.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: The first thing that she thought was like I'm gonna
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: win big, I've got She charted that fight straight to Vegas, dude,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: and she was like, I dropped me off at the Flamingo. Yeah,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: I'm feeling lucky tonight. Yeah, absolutely, I mean she didn't
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: get through it all in one night, but a week
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: and it was done. Dude, she was a high roller.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: They definitely comped a room, you know, like.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: And slick to that Harri Schwartzy SCHWARTZI like peering into
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: the room.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: And like I believe the swave Schwartzy. Yeah, I do
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: to Swarves. I like I liked slickback Harri Schwartzy, greaser Schwartzy.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: White t shirt tucked into his pants. That's all you need, dude,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: if you're jacked, that's all you need. Just white tuck
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: in a white shirt's the best accessory. It would have
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: been good if you put on a chain too, dude.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: He could have he could have been Zoomer Schwartzy. Yeah.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: I was into it. I was into it. It felt
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: like if somebody like kind of did an ai of
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Schwartzy from this movie into right now, you could kind
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: of picture how it would look slightly different, you know,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: like a little bit yasified SCHWARTZI more more slender Schwartzy. Yeah.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: I loved. Also, it's like pro wrestling, it's fixed, the
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: house always wins.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: What part is that in that's like right before.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: The going into the sleezy bar when when what's your name?
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: He finds out what's his name?
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Patrevita finds out that all this heroin and money is stolen.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: He's like, I want to get it back.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: His reaction is amazing to me, the idea of getting
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: it back. I remember when I watched it the first time, thinking, well,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: that's just stupid, like this doesn't make any sense. But
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: it's actually not. Like people do have kakami kakommy hair brains.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, look at Trump now schemes getting like just
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: thrown out of court and shit, or getting threatened by
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: thrown out a court. And it's then will Robert, Dove
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: and Schwartzy go to the queer bar man.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: It's kind of interesting that scene because like there's no
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: real judgment. There's no real judgment. It's just portrayed as like, well,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: the mob deals in all kinds of places, and so
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: one of the places that it deals with is this
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: is this gay bar. Yeah, that's filled with drag queens.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: And it was kind of an amazing scene though, because
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: like it was like really like nice for me just
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: to see queer people. I forgot about this part in
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: this movie, and I was like oh. Like as as
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: soon as I saw them, I was like, oh my god, like, oh, like,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: what what's this part?
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, and then and then I was like, oh, yeah,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: they go to the gay bar, and it immediately reminded
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: me of the Veto scene from from Sopranos as well.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: A lot of people rewatching Sopranos these days.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I definitely rewatched it recently. Just a psycho
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: the whole time. If you know anything about therapy or
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: he did, she she's terrible, terrible therapy, terrible therapist, and
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: also she enabled him and his fucking weird god complex
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: because he was using it.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: It adds to her, and it adds to him, and
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: it adds to him because she's also she also lies
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: kind of constantly to her own therapist. Yeah, which is
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Alliott Alliott, Yeah, Elliott.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know. That's a strange question to ask, Alliot,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: is it? I loved him too, Peter Bogdanovitch. She's saying,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: what a weird role it's Sopranos is amazing because he
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: like cast all these fucking random like fucking e Street.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: Van, Steve van Zands, Bald war a wig also but
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: Also it was like some of the wild choices in
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: casting makes so much sense.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Frank Sinatra Junior outrageous. I mean, yeah, we're so good
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: at it. He's so he's like, what should I do?
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Wipe my ass? Like they're all like, I forget what
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: he says. It's it's a careful kid making a stupid
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: mistake here kid wise mystical kind of wise guys.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Well, like, I mean it, they did what what that
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: move of that show did was exactly the same as
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: the Wire. He's like, Okay, who were these guys?
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: And the Wire did that with like snoops murderer, Like
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: she got out of jail and it was just like, well,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: what am I gonna do? And then she got cast
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: in that and she did an amazing job. That Marlowe, Oh, Dad,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: marlow is incredible.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Incredible, and it like, honestly, somebody could look at that
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: and just be like, well, what, he's just dead, But
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: it's like not no, it's it's actually not. Like there's
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: so much understanding of character and like the way emotion
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: works and the way emotion works in trauma that you
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: have to understand in order to know why someone who
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: has lived under the conditions that Marlow has lived. He
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: is as dead eyed as he is, and it's incredible.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: It is. It's incredible. Yeah, but fun, what was I
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: gonna say? And he also he obviously like his character
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: develops as the show goes. But that's what's the best
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: part about Marlow though.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Is that, like it's he almost fools you into believe.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: It's like John Bleega in fucking uh Fuck the Alien, Yeah,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: because we don't. Don't because don't. Because he's so quiet
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: and understated, and everybody around him is so like happy
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: and kind of like juvenile. They're like kids, right, And
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: then when you find out that he's like fifteen in
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: the movie, you're like and like the lady is like,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: you're only fifteen. And then like he got that one
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: cry at the end where he's just like, oh man,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: this guy has been doing choices the whole time.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, that's such amazing choices.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: And then when but back to this, speaking of choices,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: when Schwartzy first meets Monique, he's already when he first
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: meets Luigi Patrevita Patrivita and at the party.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: I love the party because it has the moment, like
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: just these tiny moments that I felt were so inconsequential
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: the first time I watched it, But this I was like,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: everything is so well written to make sense. Like Robert
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Doby hugs SCHWARTZI it touches his ear gently, which is
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: amazing because it's it's just imagine someone touching your ear,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Like but imagine that someone doing that, because you would
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: kind of like kind of jolt back and someone gently
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: grazed your ear with their hand at a party, like
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: you're not expecting it to happen, and then when it does,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: like you're like, oh, this guy's playing mental games with
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: this guy and then he he does it to take
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: a picture with him and then he uses the picture
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: later to find out who he is. But we'll get
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: to that.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And also like Dobby sort of learning with with Monique.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they have a back relationship, like she knows
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: him because she's always in the clubs. Yeah, and that
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: that they that he that is that are owned by
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Patrovita who who he works for, So he's he's she's
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: kind of around, right, and like it they imply that
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: they sort of tried something together, like that maybe they were.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Hooking up looking up Yeah, and then later on when
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Schwartzy is in the store with Monique and they're getting
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: like the clothes and like THEO come in and fucking
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: throw their garbage in the fountain or whatever.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: This is my question because like at first, it was
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: like damn, Like I mean, it's it's explained later on
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: writerly with one liners, but I'm like, I did think
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: to myself, like, so they're not hooking up, but he's
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: like treating her like a sugar baby like it definitely
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: gives me like kind of like mob wife vibes and
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: also speaks to Schwartzy's character in a shitty way. It's like,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: so fine, you're not cheating, but just because you're not
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: cheating doesn't mean you're not getting emotionally entangled with a
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: person who expects something from you, like intimacy wise, like
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: a kiss, sex. It's so like you're you're you're leading
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: her on as a tactic. Sure, but it's so dead eyed,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: like it's such a like a dead eyed choice.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: It's great, it is great, it's amazing. It's like weird,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: and it's weird that Schwarzi was cast in it. That's
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: why I also think that it might not be like
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: totally aware because it's like, I don't know, I think the.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: It's not written with SWARTZI and mind, you're right, in mind,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: you're right, it's really it's punched up with Schwartzy and mine.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: So the leather jacket punch up, the some of the
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: choices on Schwartzy's like SCHWARTZI eyes, punch up on Schwartzy's
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: part as performance, other things like little details like how
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: he enjoys doing some of the things that he's doing.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: I think Schwartz he was like, yeah, what if he's
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: like reveling in it, you know, like he's like kind
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: of really enjoying it, you know. So that then I
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: think also CTV footage where he's shooting at cameras and
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: with like big long guns. Terminator original Terminator punch up
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: for sure, Like it's like, well, we've got the Terminator,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: let's have him terminate you know, yeah, for sure. And
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: I'm like that those parts are the parts that feel
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: like most like fluff, you know what I mean? Yeah,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: it's because it's not what makes this movie interesting.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: No, I think that what makes this movie interesting is
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: the exact contrast between his character and the performance that
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: he does. And I think, what what ultimately is is
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: kind of like jarring for us as SCHWARTZI fans, was
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: you know what it reminds me of?
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: And I just saw it.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: It gave me the cable guy. It's the the Jim
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Carrey cable guy performance of Schwartzi's career.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: That was just like, what way in what way?
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: In the way that like asking different things of him?
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: It's asking different things of him. He's doing a lot
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: of the same stuff that he's doing in in the
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: regular movie the regular movies, but it's recontextualized into making
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: him kind of like an awful person, like sinister.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah you're yeah, that's a really insightful point. At first,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: I was like, where are you going with this? But that, yeah,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I like that Schwartzy as kind of like a it's
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: almost like fish out of water, but he is almost
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: like that's what he is playing in the movie. You know,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: he's not at the job that he's supposed to be,
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: and then he's not in the life he's supposed to be.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: It does give context to his relationship with Monique, but
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: I just feel like he does her pretty dirty. He
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: does like all of the women in his life pretty dirty. Yeah.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he is like a weird, selfish person and
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: like it almost kind of he almost kind of comes
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: back to the job because it offers him this excitement.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Well, I think, but I think somebody with very low
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: self awareness wrote this. I don't think someone's thinking about
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: I think someone was like, yeah, I got told resign
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: or prosecute, get prosecuted or resigned before. It's kind of
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: like it reads like a like a revenge fantasy.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: It definitely reads like a revenge fantasy. Let me see
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: what Gary DeVore wrote. Because there's a couple of there's
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: a couple of writers. Oh he wrote the movie Running Scared.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Oh no, that was the eighties one.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it does.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: It does come off as somebody who like a small
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: a really smart person wrote it, and a really dumb
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: person wrote it. And Norman Wexler is a pretty smart guy,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: so I guess Gary Devoor is the dumb guy. There's
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: the explosion at the police I was gonna say police factory.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: There's an explosion at the police station, and it's like
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: the cops are like, oh no, like the mob can
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: get to us any time or whatever. And there's that
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: scene where they do the like what's it called it's
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: an amazing scene where they like do like they break
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: into that like building and it's like not like a
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: swat team, but like they've.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Like oh with like the bomb squad. Yeah, yeah, I
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: mean the bomb squad stuff was like okay, So Schwartzy
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: like this is amazing because Schwartzy uses his like police
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: work and police knowledge to have the idea like if
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: you start calling threats, they will take bomb threats seriously
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: and you can use that to your advantage. So like
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: they have the idea to like use Okay, imagine the
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: payroll of this. They get a bunch of guys who
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: have a like capability to make a Coca cola bomb
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: to put it in a vending machine disguised as vending
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: machine guys with a vending machine truck, and there's more
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: than one guy on the payroll, at least three in
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: this situation. Like pretty outrageous, but like I guess if
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: you're making that Muney, if you're making Patrovita money, like
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: and you're that organized, I'll believe it.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I believe the.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Crime lord element in this part way more than I
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: did originally.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally totally, or like I had a little bit
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: more grace for it because things seemed more justified than
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: I had originally thought. And also like some of the
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: car chases were really fucking cool when Dobby and SCHWARTZI
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: are like driving together to chase those three dudes down,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: and like, uh yeah, like Schwartzy being like a weird,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: unhinged like former FBI agent trying to get his job back,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: it's kind of cool.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Like it's kind of like a like a weirdly cool
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: concept that like, I'm I'm surprised. I'm surprised at how
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: much we hated it the first time.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Did you did you really listen to it?
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: I didn't really, I didn't really listen to it. I
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: didn't want to.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Be what do you think we hated about it?
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: I know what we hated about it. I know even
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: what we hated about it. I know it was. It
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: was that it defied our expectations so much of what
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: a Schwartzy movie is.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: It was like really slow hour.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: And forty five minutes. And this time, I'll be honest,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: I did watch it on one point three eight speed, yeah,
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: because I just needed to, Like, I wasn't sure I
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: was going to be able to watch the whole thing. Yeah,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: in time, and it made it more enjoyable for me. Yeah,
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: like yeah, because I was able to follow everything and
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: like everything was finding up and I understood everything. Yeah,
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: and it just kind of gave it like someone it
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: made it funnier. I was like, it was so funny
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: this time. I was like, man, this is a funny movie. Yeah,
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: I don't watch it with you. She's like this is great.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: She loved it. Yeah, it was really good. Yeah. Wait
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: so where where are we? We are what? Yeah? I
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: think it just defied expectations and it was slow. Yeah.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: I think we rolled our eyes a lot and we
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: were like okay, Like she's like, what is this B movie?
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: But like now I was like I also watched it
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: expecting a B movie and I ended up being like
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: pleasantly surprised because of that. Yeah, you know it like again,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: it read like Color of Night, where I'm like, this
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: will compensate with like the over writing. Sometimes over writing
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: like reads as melodrama, which can be entertaining because it's like, yeah,
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: they decide this because of this, Like I just don't
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: see movies like this anymore, you know, like movies like
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: this aren't made anymore. So that's true. It kind of
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: feels like weirdly like a palette cleanser. It feels almost
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: like the episodes of Star Trek where you know it's
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: like blow stakes and like you know, it's just like
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: gonna be a fun ride, and then it's like it
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter. You know, it's not it's not Dharmack, you
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like not every Neat episode needs
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: to be Darmack, and not every movie needs to be
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: you know, like whatever amazing movie you know, but like
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: it's like throwaway movies like this, like it's way less
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: chances that it can get made, right and did this
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: this movie like bankrupted Dino de laurentis right, like and
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: he wasn't able to do total recall as a result,
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: and that's why Schwartzy like ironically got cast. Do you
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: remember that? Yeah yeah yeah yeah, so like you know,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: I guess it was also a failure. But I do
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: feel like it's like there's a space for this movie,
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like I feel like this
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: movie would be perfect Serbia movie. Like you just catch
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: it on TV. You happen to catch it on TV.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: It has like a seventies show vibe. It has like
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: a oh Hunter vibe. Do you remember Hunter? Yeah, so,
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: like I don't know, Like it was kind of just.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Like darn, darn, oh man, this movie has a thirty
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: one percent on Rotten Tomatoes thirty one year.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Desert, which like it doesn't need more. It's fun, it
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: doesn't deserve more. Yeah, it doesn't, but it's the enjoyability factor.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: I like, we'll talk about it when write it. I
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: don't think we rated did we rate Schwartzi's last time?
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: How many Schwartzi's would you give fucking red heat? Is
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: it a ten? Or is it?
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: It's like an eight? Dude, When they get to the funeral,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Schwartzy sees what's his name?
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Harry Harry, Yeah.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: And then fucking shoots Dobby Dovey.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: It's like, man, it has like impact because you've actually
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: seen him and Dobby have a relationship in this so
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: like it's not just the no consequence that Dobby dies, right, like, dude.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: And when Harry died this time, I was like, oh,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: we didn't die though, no, I know, but when he
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: gets shot and visiting his son, and I was like, no, yeah,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: I'm sad for Harry, Harry, Harry saying him saying Harry
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: in another movie was was dude.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Also, we haven't talked about Chico VI in this movie.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Several times Jacob, Jacob come back. The deadline's stop here
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: just reused Jacob. Yeah, actually I think he was just
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: a goon. And then he happened to be at another place. Yeah, totally,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: oh man.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: And and he does sort of like when things get
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: like kind of fucked up for him, he does feel
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: bad for Monique and you do because he's like elevanting
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: around and being sloppy about it.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: It doesn't stop him from making poor decisions though.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: No, no, And then like that like it kind of
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: justifies the entire last scene where it's like just murder,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: like totally just no, totally, I agree he like Commando's
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: hard and it's just like all of a sudden, it's
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: just like guns.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: And it definitely rightly justifies it because like they kill
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: like this like pseudo father figure that he's like the
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: catalyst of the whole thing.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: And also if like he's fucked now too, because yeah, because.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: He's now like a lone agent, he doesn't have anyone.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Only person who knew about this kind of batshitted saying.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: Is now like maybe dead and so Schwartzy runs off,
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: and as he runs, Monique arrives because she's been sort
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: of subtly letting him know that something's off and she's
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: scared for him, and I guess she followed him, But
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: how did she know that he was immediately going to
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: take the wheel? Was he? Like? She like gets there
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: in this convertible and then immediately slides out of the
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: swartz can drive and like I was just like, could
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: they just not let Schwartzy be driven in a car?
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Was that evasculated? It was too emasculating for sure.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: I Mean the entire next scene is basically him just
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: preparing and then going to that like court, what is
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: it like a fucking deserted what is that called? He
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: puts on chat.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: No, dude, the entire budget of this movie must have
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: gone to that song, because that like Rolling Stones charge
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: a lot for their music, and like it didn't need
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: to be I can't get no satisfaction. I'm glad it
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: was because it was cool and weird, like and to
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: have such a feature song murdering so many people? Yeah,
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: so like so intensely he first like he prepares for
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: it because he kicks out the fucking windshield of this
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: fuck like convertible and then he's just driving around manically
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: like murdering people. And like I was thinking to myself
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: the money that they saved on location for that day
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: because they literally just went to like a mine. Yeah,
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: Like I was like I could have scouted this location
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: and found it, like it didn't have to be there.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: Why is a heroin factory there?
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but he does. He smiles so big
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: when he sees all the hair.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: Money and the hero. Yeah, it was, Yeah, it kind
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: of like there's a there is like a self satisfaction
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: in it that feels very sadistically self serving, like he's
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: only doing this also because of his own ego, Like
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: he's gone completely rogue.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's totally rogue because of the fact that of Harry.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Harry's just not in the in the picture anymore.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: But also he's escalated the situation because he knows now
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: that he's fucked and discovered no matter what, no matter what,
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: so he to take care of all of.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: These I know. It's kind of amazing. And the like
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: shooting and like trying like dieharding through the building and
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: just like like you know, everybody starts shooting the elevator
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: and he's like shooting the ct V cameras out and shit,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: and just like, man, dude, it's like a bloodbath. And
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: it's like, I don't understand why we didn't enjoy it.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: I do, because it felt like a bloodbath with I
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: remember at the time, I remember not thinking that he
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: had good motivations for anything that he was doing. But
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: I was wrong. I was wrong about that. It's just
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: it's just not the way I would do it. But like,
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: it actually fully makes sense for this character. And I
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: think Schwartzy embodied the character so well that he was
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: able to communicate that pretty effectively. I think so too.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: I know I keep coming back to this point, but
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: I really do feel like it's kind of like a
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: strangely bodied performance. It feels like a Van Damn SCHWARTZI.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: It does feel like a Van dam SCHWARTZI And that
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: final kill man, like when he fucking slow motion murders
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: uh Luigi and like pours the the what.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: Does he pour? He pours a bunch of candy. It's
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: like weird, there was there there was a sadistic turn
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: to him, like because he like takes so much pleasure
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: in murdering in murdering Petravita, it's like cold blood Yeah,
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: he comes he comes to, like Patrovita's panicking and he's like,
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: they took out he took out all of my guys.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: He I hope he's dead. He's like, no, no, he's dead.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: There's no way he's alive. Like Chico took him out
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: and he's like, no, dude, and he then he they
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: just see him and he's just arrived, yeah, and they
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: know he's gonna kill them all and he does. That's
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: all it is. It's like it's just like a total
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: There's one guy who even kind of of like sadly
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: pleads for his life, Like he doesn't plead for his life,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: but he makes a case for it, like he's like, hey, man,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: come on, it's just you and me now, man, And
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: it's just like, whoa dude, that's like to me, that
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: reads as like a desperate plea for life.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and just schwartzy fucking kills all ebody.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then after he's cold bloodedly killed Peter Gallagher
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: or or what's his name? Is it Peter but that's
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: not his name. What's this actor's name?
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, Paul Shaneer Shanaire.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like the way he kills them. He just like
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: they're like Patrevita is so panicked that he's like call
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: the cops. He's like, the cops, you crazy. He's just
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: like just fucking do it. Yeah, and like just seeing
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: these reactions, it honestly feels like what Trump would do.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: It feels like the kinds of things. Yeah, totally.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: And then like escorting he escorts Monique to a plane.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, you didn't say that. The DA is that.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: We get that.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: We get slow reveals of the DA, even though that
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: hairline is unmistakable from the back. Dude, but like he's
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: Patrovita is talking to him in an earlier scene in
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: like a graveyard or like in a funeral home or something.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: It was so weird. The locations were like like very
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: not thought out, like why were they in a funeral home?
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: Like there was no setup for it. But yeah, so
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: so they so we get slow reveals of the DA
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: and then the DA is like, oh, hey, I was
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: working for the government. I was doing an inside job.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: He's like trying to sneak his way. And then Schwartz
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: he's like, you've got two choices be prosecuted or resign,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: and then he gives him a gun to test test
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: so Schwartzy and then he kills.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: Him, proving that he was right the whole time. It's
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: so weird, like weird because like he gets completely vindicated.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Not completely, not because like well, no whatever, we'll just
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: write it in no, but hold on, and not even
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: in a good way, because it's not that the DA
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: was wrong about prosecuting Schwartzy for that particular crime. It
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: just so happens that the prosecutor is also it's not
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: that he's like that, because that's why I feel like
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: the emotional maturity of the writer of this movie is
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: like poor because he doesn't understand that. He's just like, well, no,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: the DA was a fucking dick to begin with, saving
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: a molester and also working with this mob boss. Fuck
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: that guy. Yeah, it's that kind of writing. It's not
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: understanding the humanity of people, which again is really weird,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: given that normal Wexler had written people or like yeah, exactly,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: and then the fucking but this movie was hashed out
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: in a cocaine.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: Friend and and what's his name ending on a on a.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: What's it called freeze phrase? But not even dude, you
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: need to mention the the incredibly emotionally invested crying nurse
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: that they cut that they cut to a face reaction
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: not once but twice to show how important not only
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: her Danny mul roone character is, but how emotionally invested
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: she is in Like that's the thing is, like the
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: movie is trying to emotionally manipulate us into fast tracking,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: like Schwartzy's like, and my wife, she's really happy now
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: and pregnant. You can be a godfather. It's like, I
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: don't believe you do believe you left this woman and
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: you emotionally manipulated another woman into falling in love with
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: you in like a weird emotional affair that you then
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: send her off in a frenzy like panicked because you
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: think you've you've maybe caused her to die. Well, here's
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: the thing too.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Is that like the the justification somebody like this would
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: use would be like it was for her safety.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Of course it was for her safety. But it's like.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: I know, but also like what what like it? Like
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: you destroy you like put lives in danger, probably destroyed
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: many jobs, destroying that factory. Not very republican of you.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: Bad for small visits, but it's like it's like kind
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: of insane that, like, these are the choices that you made.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: And it's also you're right, it is like cocaine haze
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: of a movie just because it's like, yeah, you gotta
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: throw own explosion in there, so it's like it kind
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: of makes sense, but also it's like whoa dude, Like
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: this is psychotic and it's amazing. Honestly, what did you
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: think of the movie?
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, I really liked it this time, I really like,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: I really liked it from one, I really liked it
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: on one point five speed I would give I would
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: give my enjoyment of the movie a seven out of ten.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: I would give it a seven out of I would
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: probably give the movie like a six point seven.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: Probably give it a I would actually give it a seven.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: I'd give Schwartzi's probably seven as well.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: I think seven for Schwartz's because he's like he's not
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: like emotionally mature Schwartzy, but he's making a lot of
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: really amazing embodied choices that, like, you know, Harken are
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: the reason that we already love him, you know. So
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: it's not like we're seeing anything new necessarily from schwartzy,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: but solid SCHWARTZI.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: Solid performance, like just a really I had a much
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: better time and like, also, I don't know if that's
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: like low expectations, but I'm also going to buy it, dude,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: buy it again.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: Dude, I think you should. Yeah, it's it's if whatever, dude,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: it's I would I like, I'm excited again. I'm excited
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: to watch it again. Yeah, like four years again, Panthea again, dude,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: because I honestly like watching it this time around also
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: reminded me of why I would enjoy it on some
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: watching because we didn't talk about the last time. We
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: were like, I don't know, I feel like I've liked
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: this movie. I don't like yeah totally. Yeah, so maybe
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: just the next time we watch it, we won't like it.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah it'll be it'll be a.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: Deal again, exactly.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: I still like the the idea of raw deals and.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: And red heat, of course, because we're not just making sense.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: The names make sense. Names makes sense. Yeah, you get
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: a raw deal when you get a bad movie that
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: you don't expect, and you get a red heat when
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: you watch a movie that you didn't expect to be good.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: And that's why our analysis still is going to exist
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: the same. But Rod deal was a red heat.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: Dude, Yeah, I might red heat.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: It was well because we actually got to talk about
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: it this time. I did with those I mean, you're
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: going to cut all this up.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't have him listen to this podcast
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: because he probably doesn't listen to it anyway.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: So no ship if he knew, dude, if he only
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: did you like this movie? Dude?
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't you just say that me too?
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah? So are we gonna? Are we gonna? Are we gonna?
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: I wanted to pivot, so it wasn't sure how to pivot.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: Are you Are you feeling like, do we have another
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: second chance in us? Or should we go directly into
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: our next season Tom Cruise Running? Dude?
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: I mean we can do Tom Cruise Running.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: I'll premiere the theme music maybe now, or maybe I
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: should wait?
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: Or but I thought you wanted to to do No
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: I didn't. Well, I mean we can do keep going
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: with second chances or and this could be Boner show
• 1:07:54
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• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: Cruise Running. Or I thought you wanted to do like
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: a mini dive into Hunger Games.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: Hunger Games. Yeah, yeah, I'm excited to do that. I
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: think that's what we should do next.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: Well, let's do that. Yeah, but we can premiere Tom
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: Cruise running the theme song.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: No, no, yeah, I we we're not even getting to
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: Tom Cruise Running yet. Let's let's take our time. Okay. Well,
• 1:08:17
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