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Talks to Glen Fitzgerald about his choice of The Stones of Blood (2/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blunt pen knife for doing quicker, quicker
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  Welcome back to a Hamster with a blunt pen knife the Doctor Who
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  commentary podcast. Glenn, do you have your sausage
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  sandwich in hand? I've got sausage sandwich in
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  hand. Red or brown sauce?
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  Brown for me. Oh.
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  Really. You're AHP guy.
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  I'm AHP or daddy's, we're all. Daddy's Excuse me, that's
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  enough. About your personal life.
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  All right, Brief. You just can't stop me.
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  Once I get going, you're an. Absolute terror.
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  You're only one episode in as well.
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  Where the hell will we be by episode 4?
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  What are we here to talk about then?
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  We're here for the 100th Doctor Who's story, The Stones of
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  Blood. Now, I've got a big question to
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  ask you before we press play into the episode, all right?
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  Yeah. And that is the Kaliak.
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  Yeah, Susan Ingle, the campus Doctor Who villain of all time.
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  I think you could be right there, yeah.
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  She's definitely out there. Yeah, she's definitely in the I
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  was going to say in the top three, but then you'll make me
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  name the others. That's right.
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  Yeah, There we are. Yeah.
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  Don't you think you're getting away with any more top threes?
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  By the end of this, you'll be doing more.
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  Yeah, she's definitely a campaign.
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  I mean, I think I'm probably better judged to do the top 3
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  campus Dr. Who villains, you know?
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  Yeah, I'll give you that. I'll probably say the Rani, Lady
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  Adraster and the Kaliak are probably the 30 Helena.
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  She's pretty camp. Helena.
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  Yeah, that's one I was thinking of.
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  Helena, Yeah. I I love the.
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  Bit where she stares up the screen.
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  I think it's in episode. Three.
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  And she just goes, oh greed, doesn't she?
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  So ridiculous. Well, look.
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  I think we're still in the horror part of the story.
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  In episode. Two, aren't we before we sort of
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  head into the spaceship? Is this your favorite part of
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  the story? The first two episodes,
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  definitely, yeah. Yeah.
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  Because it because only because it's got that sort of horror
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  element. Having said that, it's still a
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  great story for that reason that it can split itself into sort of
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  two different atmospheres. Once.
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  Once you get on the spaceship it totally changes tone.
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  Do you think that's sort of Doctor Who through and through
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  though, Right? You've got both the horror and
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  the atmosphere and the mystery, but then you've also got a bit
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  of camp and science fiction and a bit of Lions entertainment as
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  well. Yeah, 100%.
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  I mean, I don't if if this story was 4 episodes of what it's been
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  like in in, you know, the horror aspect of it, I don't know if it
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  would have burnt itself out a little bit.
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  Maybe I. Mean, I love the horror of
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  Hinchcliffe, but I very often find come episode 4 of a
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  Hinchcliffe story that I'm like, OK, we've been doing this for a
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  while now, you know, so maybe it was a good instinct.
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  Well, OK, shall we go in and watch this horrific spectacle
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  and see what we find? Let's go in because my sausage
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  sandwich getting cold. Will you count us in then?
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  OK, 321 go. I would hate for your sausage
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  sandwich to get limp, you know, Glenn, good grief.
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  Nobody likes a flaccid sausage. No, no.
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  I have heard that. Certainly no one's.
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  Had a flaccid sausage around me. I'll have you know.
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  All right. Well, I had heard that.
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  Yes, good. Oh goodness, my reputation got
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  about. Yeah, wonderful.
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  How wonderful. Well, it's nice to know everyone
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  thinks I'm a total whore. That's good to know.
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  All right, here we go now, Ramona on a Cliff edge.
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  Literally. Yeah.
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  Is it the the It's not the only literal cliffhanger, is it?
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  No, but there's not. I suppose there's not many, is
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  there? Just, well, just listen, Dragon
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  fire. Dragon fire.
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  You know, that's the story I've probably not watched since
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  broadcast. Really.
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  Yeah, I trying to admit. Is that because you didn't like
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  it? I didn't like it at the time.
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  I really should watch it again, shouldn't I?
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  If I'm honest, I don't get a lot of time anymore to watch Doctor
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  Who. What are you doing with your
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  time? Working.
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  Working, yeah. You know all work and no play
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  makes Glenn a dull boy, you know?
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  It does, yes. Does your wife tell you that?
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  Yeah. So look.
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  If you're if you're ever working too much, you get that Varos
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  helmet on your head all right and start.
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  Storming the streets with. A pretend gun.
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  Yeah, now you've told me. Have you ever been to the BFI?
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  No. Oh my God.
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  You know that's where they shot. Frontier in space.
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  Every time I go, I pretend I'm a draconian going up and around
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  those concrete bits. Yeah, the iconic concrete bits.
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  Wow, this is so funny. Where it goes is that nice
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  sterilised. Oh yeah, there they are in their
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  matching the cultist costumes. That's.
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  Right. Well.
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  They want to know, to tell people they're coming, you know?
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  Yeah. Glenn, does your Carly act ride
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  a bicycle? Here she comes.
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  Hang on, I'm coming, she goes. She's fucking batshit crazy and.
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  She says to him, Glen, what are you doing lying down there?
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  You catch a death of cold. Oh please.
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  I love the one, sorry. Now come on.
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  I was going to say, I love the way they all peg it and
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  literally while they're still pegging it you can hear sound
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  effects of cars starting up and driving off.
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  Well, because that's a studio there.
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  That's not that's not location, is it?
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  I think all the all the night work was studio and the and the
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  day was it on that documentary you watched.
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  I think they said night works all studio and the day work was
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  all outside. And they they, because there are
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  scenes in episode 3 where they slap on the filter.
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  So it's sort of day for night. So it looks like.
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  Dusk which? Yeah, that.
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  Does. Look like that, but it's not as
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  egregious as bloody stuff like Death in Heaven and Dark Water,
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  where everything's bloody blue all the time.
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  You, you, you. It.
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  It shows really badly these days, yeah.
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  Well, I use filters for everything.
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  I've realized I sound like an old git when I say that, but.
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  Not so. Back in the day, Glenn, you
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  know. Back in the day.
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  We know how to. Make TV back in the day.
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  Did yeah, yeah, that's that's something that's missing from
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  society is good TV. Yeah, well, it's yeah, I mean,
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  they. And when they get upon something
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  good now, I find they cancel it quick and bring out another game
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  show or another cooking show or another reality TV show.
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  It's like, come on man, our brain cells are dying.
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  Don't start me on reality TV shows.
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  Oh. Why do do you have to watch any?
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  I don't but. I'm assuming your wife doesn't
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  watch that nonsense. You know she likes sophisticated
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  TV shows. Yeah, she loves a good soap
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  opera. Oh, oh really?
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  Which ones? EastEnders mainly.
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  OK. Is it still going?
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  Is it still going? Sadly, yeah.
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  I know. Excuse me if she's.
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  Got to sit there and watch your bloody Star Wars and Doctor Who.
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  Oh, she doesn't. Oh, OK, fair enough.
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  I'm in my man cave to watch my programmes.
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  Is all your stuff. Sort of.
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  Limited to this room, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I get, I get.
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  I finish work early on a Friday, so I get a Friday afternoon in
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  the man cave and I get a Saturday evening.
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  That's my quota. And I'm a bit too scared to ask
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  you this question, but how do you utilise that time?
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  Well, Saturday evenings is traditionally I'll have a Doctor
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  Who story and a couple and a couple of horror films.
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  Friday afternoons, because I like doing a lot of model
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  making, I might be either doing that or I will watch Doctor Who.
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  Model. What do you make?
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  All kinds of things really I like like because I'm I'm right
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  into military history and stuff. So I build a lot of models,
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  thereby do a lot of fantasy stuff like Dragons and Star Wars
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  ships and. Are they somewhere in that room
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  with you right now? Why are they?
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  They're over out of sight, in the corner of.
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  Wow sorry, sorry to interrogate you but I just love learning
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  these things about people, what their passions are.
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  Yeah, I like, I like playing like little soldiers.
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  Do you do war games? I bet.
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  That's I do, yeah, yeah. Do you do a complete massacre on
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  a big balls? I have done, yeah.
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  Napoleonics is my thing from War One.
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  Oh, you and Terence Dixon. Get on very well, he's a big
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  Napoleon. Fan.
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  Yeah, and Peter Cushing. I know.
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  Oh yeah, of course. Now K9 has entered the action.
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  Here he is. Discuss K9 please and what what
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  are your your thoughts? I love K9.
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  Oh, please. You said that.
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  Yeah. I think he's brilliant.
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  I mean, obviously he's got his limitations, so that's why he
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  wasn't used a lot, but I don't think he's used enough.
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  And he's he's obviously there for the children and the younger
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  children, but he's just brilliant.
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  And he's also like your little computer that you can ask a
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  question and he'll tell the audience the answer.
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  And in this story in particular, I like his back chatting.
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  He's. So bitchy in this, isn't he?
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  I love him in this. The bit where he goes, what is
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  it, Meteoromfica? I still don't understand about
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  hyperspace. The Doctor goes well, Who does?
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  Canines. I do canine.
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  I love that bit. Yeah.
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  When he's snippy, he's wonderful, isn't he?
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  Yeah. Oh, hang on, though.
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  The big question is, is did you like David Brierley as canine as
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  well? Not as much, if I'm honest, but
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  it's still canine. I mean, what about canine?
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  And Professor Rumford spin off Oh.
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  Now you are talking. That would be yes, Although if.
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  She went in the Tardis. It would be the Doctor canine
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  and Amelia Rumford. I mean, I just just delightful.
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  I think if she went in the TARDIS, Tom Baker would just
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  give up. He'd eventually be so upstage.
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  Can't canine join my old lady's eccentric detective agency, you
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  know? He can.
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  The two Amelia's and Olive Hawthorn can sort of COO over
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  him and oil his joints and things and and knit him fabulous
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  sort of crochet things for around his.
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  Neck. Yeah, a little canine.
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  Cover Yeah. I mean, I would cast Lucy McCoy
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  in that series. She'd be wonderful.
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  Yeah. And to write it as well.
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  Yeah, that'd be awesome. Oh look, I used to love going
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  out with a firm as Flask, you know?
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  Yeah, especially a Tartan 1. Look at this.
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  This is a really iconic image, The Doctor. *** Canine and
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  Ramana looking just stunning. That's the photo that that sort
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  of still there is a photo I had on my wall for many a year.
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  Wasn't it a cover of Doctor Who magazine once?
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  I think that picture. I think it was, yeah.
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  There used to be a little shop in coaches.
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  They're called Ice Comics, and they used to sell steels from
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  various sci-fi shows and there was a steel with that and that
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  was up on my wall. Pride of life.
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  I think The Who shop has got lots of steels actually in like
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  plastic wallets that you can frame and put in in pictures.
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  As you can see behind me, I have a Dalek here and beat the meep.
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  Yeah. Yeah, and.
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  I'm not sure if you can see there that the Battlefield 1 and
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  the Flux one and the Paul McGowan cover and stamps and oh
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  dears, it's just so geeky in this room.
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  That's. That's good thing.
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  I think the doctor is already suspicious of Vivian Faye.
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  Yeah, I think you're right. And poor Amelia, because she,
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  you know, whether they're friends or in a relationship or
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  whatever that relationship is, she's close to her.
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  She's about to have her whole world turned upside down.
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  Yeah, they're definitely close. Did you read that line?
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  He goes. Defreese is a worried man, and
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  worried men often sing worried songs.
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  Come on, canine, he's just got that dialogue, hasn't he?
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  He can just trip it off his tongue.
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  Yeah, and that, that, that bit there where where Vivian Faye's
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  following up behind. She's definitely a little bit
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  creepy there. Well, she goes Glen, it'll be a
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  new experience for you. No need to be afraid.
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  What the hell is she talking about there?
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  Certainly not sausage sandwiches, I don't think.
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  What on earth is that outside the window coming past?
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  That could be from a hammer, right?
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  Throwing stone. Definitely it was the noise they
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  made as well. I think was a bit scary as a
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  kid, sort of a. Boom, boom.
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  Yeah. Well, they sort of had this
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  sort. It's almost like this is how I
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  perceived it when I was younger because there's almost like a
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  stomach rumbling noise to them as well as if they're really
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  hungry for the blood. Yeah, Yeah.
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  That's a good point. Oh my God, look what the hell
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  has done all this damage. To that beautiful set.
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  Look at that blood on the costume again.
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  Do you see? Legs everywhere, yeah.
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  Look, skull smashed to a pulp, he said.
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  I love the way he covered Canine's eyes there.
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  Yeah, although in a minute when canine attacks and Ramada comes
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  in, is he giving him mouth to mouth or something?
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  Trying to. Resuscitate for God's sake.
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  Did you notice Canine grabbed the doctors grabbed Canine then
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  when he was going off? Yeah.
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  It's like, yeah, Matt Irving, don't make him go too far so
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  he'll smash into the set, all right?
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  There's a. There's a good shock here,
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  though. He goes up to the window and
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  suddenly the rock is just there. Yeah.
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  Wait for it, wait for it. He shuts the door.
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  And seems all clear, he says. Boom, there it is.
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  Smashes through the windows. Wrong came on.
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  I don't know. I mean, I've heard some people
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  say they're a bit comical. I think they're great monsters.
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  The Ogre. Yeah, I think they're.
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  There's nothing else like them anywhere, is there?
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  Where else is there? I can't think.
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  Stone, stone, stone. Well, I mean in the new series
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  they did the pyrovas, didn't they?
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  Which were big stone creatures in Fires of Pompeii.
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  But that was CGI. Yeah.
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  Can't think of any other stone monsters.
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  I mean, what about Balau and Death to the Daleks?
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  They were sort of stone, weren't they?
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  Of. Course they weren't.
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  Yeah, yeah. But I mean, these, these are
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  like monoliths and they, they're like really impractical, but
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  unique, I'd say. This living room is how I
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  imagine every living room was in the 70s.
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  Alright, a little fire, lovely little trinkets, a mantelpiece.
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  See. See then, yeah, I was just going
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  to say see them two ornaments each end in the mantle piece my
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  auntie had been. Yeah, Oh my.
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  And the brass is hanging up. She had Toby jugs everywhere,
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  you know? Oh, Toby jugs, yeah.
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  Oh, my mum had pigs. She was obsessed with pigs.
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  Do you remember those pigs that were piggy banks are all the
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  different ones? Oh, the Nat NatWest.
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  She had 100 and she had to tell people to stop buying them for
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  her. Please, I've got enough.
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  I'm. Starting to feel like I'm living
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  in a bloody through. But it is cosy, isn't it?
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  It's lovely and cosy. Is that another reason to love
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  this though? Does this take you back to that
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  time when you had a cosy living room?
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  Yeah, it's, it's, it's all about being wrapped up in a great big
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  Doctor Who blanket. It's lovely.
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  It's even the little detail there would like the phone book
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  and you know, the phone directory and the candlesticks
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  and the end. There's the sausage.
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  Sandwich. Oh boy.
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  And looks like she's got no sauce in there at all, though I
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  couldn't have that. In fact, it looks a bit dry.
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  That does, doesn't. It I'm a Lincolnshire sort of
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  man when it comes to sausages. What about you?
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  Yeah, I think I'm going to agree.
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  I love the herbs, but this is all lovely where they're just
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  researching, right? So this should be probably quite
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  boring. They're just talking about, you
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  know, scientific research into the sisterhood and the cult and
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  all of that and and history. But I think because it's one,
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  it's three women, and that's really wonderful for Doctor Who.
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  Yeah. 2 The dialogue is just so peppy.
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  And it and again, it's cosy you, you feel like you're sitting
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  there with them. Sometimes I wonder, you know, if
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  that's why people like hamster a blunt pen knife, because they
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  feel like they're sitting there with us.
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  Yeah, I, I, I, I feel like that when I listen to a hamster.
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  Well, you that and also oh, I wish you'd shut up that too.
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  Probably no. I don't think I've ever thought
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  that yet. Not yet.
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  Yet, yeah. What the hell?
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  She just pulled out a policeman's truncheon.
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  What did she say? She went to a.
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  Lecture in New York and took it in case she got mugged and got
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  arrested for carrying an offensive weapon.
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  Come along, Glen Tally. Ho here we.
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  Go great, Scott. What happened?
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  She's so crazy. Come on.
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  Imagine her in the androids. Of Tara.
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  Good grief, someone has sabotaged the coronation or in
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  the Armageddon factor. Are you telling me, Doctor,
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  those two planets are at nuclear war?
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  It'd be wonderful. She she's really put off here by
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  canine dinnards as well and she. Oh, does she walk?
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  Off. Yeah, she.
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  Walked off holding her. I mean, have you heard the
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  stories? Like she absolutely fell in love
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  with the prop because she had dogs?
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  The actual And so she loved the and she fell in love with John
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  Leeson as well. Oh yeah, because she's is it on
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  the documentary. She gave him a camera.
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  Like a former camera. Yeah, they're really expensive.
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  You know, he's got a pension there.
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  Yeah. Look at Canine's old circuit
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  boards and things. I thought it was from the 50th
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  century for God's sakes. This, yeah.
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  I mean, it's just mad, right? We've gone from cultists and
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  horror stones in Hammer Horror to we're going to do surgery on
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  a robot dog within the space of 10 minutes.
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  Yeah, only in Doctor Ho. Yeah, only.
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  In Doctor Ho. But do you like that?
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  Do you like the fact they can go anywhere, do anything?
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  Yeah, I think that's the appeal. 11 week, you can be here, then
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  you're there and it doesn't matter.
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  It's you, just accept it well. It's basically a fairy tale next
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  week. Isn't it in Tara?
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  Yeah. And then the week after that,
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  it's a bloody creature feature with the power of crow.
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  Yeah, globulin. Globulin what?
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  Globulin. Oh there, that's a great line.
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  Tom says that really the creature exists on human blood.
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  Look at. That more blood.
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  Her fingernails are stained with blood.
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  Yeah, this is great stuff. You'd be a bit miffed if you met
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  that in in a dark lane somewhere, wouldn't you?
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  Well, I mean, she's got a bowl full of blood and there's two
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  bodies on the floor. It's very clear she's just
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  bloodlet them, isn't it? And, and now she's feeding it to
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  the stones. That's that's pretty strong for
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  Doctor Who. I bet Mary Whitehouse was
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  quivering in her boats watching this.
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  Don't make me do the quote to me.
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  I think it's amazing in many ways that people couldn't have
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  extended their awareness not only to their cameras, but to
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  the to the minds of the children, such as Glenn
• 23:18
  Fitzgerald watching, watching Julian Glover RIP his face off
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  and reveal scar off for a whole week.
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  I mean, she wasn't wrong. You said you were.
• 23:30
  Wrong. She wasn't wrong, but that's
• 23:33
  more pro in the Panthers, wouldn't it?
• 23:35
  But you never left it. It got its hooks into you.
• 23:43
  Secret passages, hidden rooms. I love all this stuff.
• 23:49
  It's very unusual to hear somebody say the witch hag.
• 23:53
  Yeah. Are you, are you more of a fan
• 23:58
  of on Earth Doctor Who stories or do you prefer getting out
• 24:03
  there into the universe? Good question.
• 24:09
  I've done 1000 of these now you know I've pretty good at coming
• 24:12
  up with. These, I think, yeah, I think I
• 24:16
  do prefer it on Earth a bit. Because.
• 24:19
  It's a home closer to that makes it more more real, more scary.
• 24:28
  Especially ones like this where where you've got, well, we don't
• 24:32
  all live in Gothic houses, but it's, it's a recognisable place,
• 24:38
  a home. Is it like the horror coming
• 24:42
  into your home? Then when it's it's.
• 24:45
  Yes, it's it's your. What do you call it?
• 24:48
  Your boundaries have been invaded, haven't they?
• 24:52
  Otherwise known as a Yeti sitting on a toilet in Tooting
• 24:55
  Beck in. Tooting Beck, Yeah.
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  But. Then I do love I love a good
• 25:03
  space adventure as well. Oh, Glen, why would you say that
• 25:08
  to me? What's the top three space
• 25:11
  adventures of Doctor Who? 3 Space adventures #1
• 25:15
  Enlightenment. Oh, I mean gorgeous, yes.
• 25:19
  I love enlightenment. I.
• 25:21
  Know do you like Linda Baron's tits as well?
• 25:24
  Well, I mean, who doesn't? Fabulous, fabulous.
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  I mean, I'm hoping, given the prop behind you, that Varos may
• 25:33
  feature in your favorite outer space stories.
• 25:37
  Barros yeah. I mean, I didn't buy it because
• 25:41
  Varos is one of my favourite. It was simply because it was one
• 25:46
  that was available. Yeah.
• 25:49
  Varos Anything with Cybermen in it.
• 25:53
  Anything at all. Any apart from new who?
• 25:57
  Oh, OK. I don't.
• 25:58
  I don't really go for Cybermen in new Who because they just
• 26:03
  remind me of RoboCop. You said new who then with a
• 26:06
  particular type of distaste. Well, only towards the Cybermen.
• 26:13
  Yes, I like Earth Shocks a good space story.
• 26:17
  Fabulous Barrel Reed. I don't know.
• 26:19
  I'm choosing all the ladies from these stories that you're
• 26:21
  saying. They are, yeah.
• 26:23
  She she was good. She was great in there.
• 26:25
  Tomb of the Side Men. Tomb of the Cybermen.
• 26:29
  I mean, I'm eating that. Kaftan in that one.
• 26:33
  Yeah, Revenge of the side men. I love revenge of the side men.
• 26:40
  I know not many. That's a Hinchcliffe story.
• 26:42
  Unfortunately, there's no women. In that one.
• 26:45
  Very no. Look at that model work of the
• 26:49
  stone circle at night. That was really good, yeah.
• 26:53
  Great. I wonder if that still exists?
• 26:58
  Have you ever been beamed into hyperspace, Glen?
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  Not that I'm aware of, no. I have woken up in some strange
• 27:07
  places. I beg your pardon?
• 27:10
  Yeah. Are you sharing?
• 27:17
  Back in the day when you used to go raving and things you know,
• 27:20
  you used to grab a lift home with people you don't know, fall
• 27:24
  asleep and wake up. Where the hell am I?
• 27:26
  But it was never hyperspace. Not that I'm aware of.
• 27:29
  I woke up, probably went to a few raves called Hyperspace
• 27:32
  I'll. Bet you did.
• 27:34
  Yeah, I'll bet you did. I woke up in a basement flat in
• 27:37
  Brighton once, right. Yeah.
• 27:39
  And because it was a basement flat, so the window was just
• 27:43
  straight out onto a brick wall. So I thought, I thought, where
• 27:46
  the hell am I? The window doesn't even look
• 27:48
  outside. And there was no one in the room
• 27:50
  with me. I was in someone's bedroom and
• 27:52
  they weren't there. I thought, what the hell
• 27:54
  happened last night? It turns out, you know, I'd gone
• 27:56
  back and had a good time. He'd gone out and got a pastry
• 27:58
  and a coffee for me. Which.
• 27:59
  I thought very kind, you know, all good in the end.
• 28:03
  Back in the day when you do. Those sort of things, yeah.
• 28:06
  Yeah. Well, look, wonderful episode,
• 28:10
  but you and me, we've got a head into hyperspace now we.
• 28:14
  Have. To see what occurs on that
• 28:17
  particularly shoddy bit of model work.
• 28:19
  What do you think? Although it's not the greatest
• 28:24
  model work, is it but?