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AI With Guardrails: Scott Lindsey on Logos and the Future of Bible Study · Thinking Christian: Bible, Theology, and Culture

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to this episode of Thinking Christian.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doctor James Spencer and I'm joined today by Scott Lindsay.
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  Speaker 1: He's an executive director.
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  Speaker 2: At Lagos, and we're going to be talking a little
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  Speaker 2: bit about Bible study, and we're going to be talking
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  Speaker 2: about what Logos offers to help you with Bible study.
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  Speaker 2: And so Scott, I'm really excited to have you on
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  Speaker 2: the program. I you know, we were talking a little
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  Speaker 2: bit before the episode and I said, I tried to
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  Speaker 2: lead into this how Logos got started. When I first
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  Speaker 2: started seminary, I took Greek and Hebrew only computer aided.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't really read it.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't you know, I couldn't cite read Greek or Hebrew.
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  Speaker 2: But I was doing these sort of complex exegetical tasks
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  Speaker 2: in gram cord, which was way back in the day,
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  Speaker 2: you know, loaded on with a CD. I don't even
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  Speaker 2: know whether people know what that is right now, but
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  Speaker 2: that was sort of my origins with this, and so
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  Speaker 2: I'm interested to hear a little bit about how Logos
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  Speaker 2: got started and what your initial products were and just
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  Speaker 2: how it got off the ground.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you have a doctric as you
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  Speaker 3: said logos. Okay, Now I did go to seminary, but
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  Speaker 3: I say logos simply because if I say that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: on an airplane, I don't know what they're going to Google,
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  Speaker 3: La gi whatever. Now what I won't accept is low gos.
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  Speaker 3: I'll hear that where people took the two and made one.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, no, no, logos right, yeah, but yeah, no, it's
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  Speaker 3: an amazing story. So this is my twenty ninth year
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  Speaker 3: with Logos. Were just celebrated thirty four years as a company,
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  Speaker 3: and we're up here Pacific Northwest, little north of Seattle.
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  Speaker 3: And that's part of her story because the founder was
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  Speaker 3: Bill Gate's youngest program manager at the time at seventeen.
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  Speaker 3: So the family that started Logos again thirty four years
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  Speaker 3: ago was East Coast Jersey. Bob got this internship at Microsoft.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was sixteen when he initially started interning. Obviously,
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  Speaker 3: very very smart guy, smart kid, and was grown up
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  Speaker 3: in a home where the Bible was important, church was important.
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  Speaker 3: Mom was a librarian, Dad was kind of in tech.
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  Speaker 3: So hey, let's take tech and libraries and let's let's uh,
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  Speaker 3: let let's do something. And what's funny is the rule
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  Speaker 3: of the home at the time for the two boys.
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  Speaker 3: So Bob has a brother is uh, you know, they
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  Speaker 3: they had access to computers, probably before anybody else did,
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  Speaker 3: just because of what Dad did. And the rule was,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not buying any software you're going to create. If
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  Speaker 3: you want a game, you make it. If you if
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  Speaker 3: you want this, you got to make it. So it
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  Speaker 3: was the challenge to learn coding. And Bob took that
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  Speaker 3: challenge and uh, you know, started coding and got this
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  Speaker 3: internship at Microsoft. And while at Microsoft, he met another Christian.
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  Speaker 3: My joke is there was one other. And they used
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  Speaker 3: the labs at Microsoft to create the first ever Bible
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  Speaker 3: software program in this new thing called Windows. And so
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  Speaker 3: they met with the leadership was about a year and
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  Speaker 3: a half, met with the leadership and showed him this tool.
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  Speaker 3: They were excited, Hey, we can use Windows to study
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  Speaker 3: the Bible. And they said, no, we're not. You can.
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  Speaker 3: You can. You can get out of here with that.
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  Speaker 3: So they signed the rights over to Bob and his
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  Speaker 3: friend and they thought, wow, you know, I think this
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  Speaker 3: would really benefit the church. So they that was a
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  Speaker 3: tough decision to make and I've asked him, you know,
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  Speaker 3: will occasionally hang out, and you know, I said, have
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  Speaker 3: you ever got a calculator out figured out your stock
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  Speaker 3: options what they would be worth now had you stayed.
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  Speaker 3: And he's like, don't ever ask me that again, Scott,
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  Speaker 3: because he'd be worth a fortune right now because that's
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  Speaker 3: how they that's how they paid back then, right, you know,
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  Speaker 3: low salary. But hey, if this Windows thing work out,
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  Speaker 3: works out, you'll you'll do fine. But there was no regret,
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  Speaker 3: you know, He's like, no, I want to serve the church.
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  Speaker 3: I want to help people study the Bible better. So
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  Speaker 3: the family cleared savings, everything moved out to Washington State
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  Speaker 3: and lo and behold. Logo Research Systems was the first
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  Speaker 3: official name, and then we joked then with Logos Bible Software,
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  Speaker 3: which we don't say that anymore either. It's just Logos now.
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  Speaker 3: And what's amazing about the story is we're now a
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  Speaker 3: couple million users now worldwide, multiple languages, so we have
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  Speaker 3: logos in German, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Chinese, Korean. But the
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  Speaker 3: number that's shocking, which for people like you, this is
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  Speaker 3: the number that's most exciting, is we have three hundred
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  Speaker 3: thousand books in our format. So whatever interests you seriously Greek, Hebrew,
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  Speaker 3: you know, archaeology, apologetics, what have you. If you go
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  Speaker 3: to logos dot com, you'll be shocked at the sheer
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  Speaker 3: volume of content that we have in our format. So
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  Speaker 3: I'm here in Washington. You know, after COVID, three hundred
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  Speaker 3: and fifty employees just kind of went home in the Raleigh, Dallas.
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  Speaker 3: I stayed here. We only have about fifty of the
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  Speaker 3: three hundred plus employees still headquartered here in Washington State.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I love it here. Not leaving. But that's
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  Speaker 3: a little history of how we got started.
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  Speaker 2: And now you've got an AI sort of built in
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  Speaker 2: AI platform that you're using to help people study the Bible.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just talk through that a little bit, because when
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  Speaker 2: you showed it to me, I think it does two
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  Speaker 2: things that I really think are crucial when we think
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  Speaker 2: about AI. One of my concerns about AI and the
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  Speaker 2: church particularly is that open source AIS is what I'll
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  Speaker 2: call them. I know they're not really called that, but
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  Speaker 2: everybody kind of gets that vibe. So the open source
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  Speaker 2: ones that are sort of open to the Internet, they're
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  Speaker 2: going to crawl, They're gonna find information for you. Claude chat, GPT, Gemini, gronk,
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  Speaker 2: those kind of they're pulling information, but you don't necessarily
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  Speaker 2: know what they're pulling, and it feels like, no matter
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  Speaker 2: how much training I try to give, you know, my
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  Speaker 2: instance of claude, I'm constantly having these sort of moments
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  Speaker 2: where I think to myself, still pulling sort of junkie
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  Speaker 2: information in for me, you know, yeah, yeah, And so
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  Speaker 2: you know that's that's problem A. And then I think,
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  Speaker 2: you know, problem B is that when we use these
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  Speaker 2: things in a way that isn't targeted, we open ourselves
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  Speaker 2: up to what I would say is sort of unnuanced
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  Speaker 2: summary information, the sort of thing that you get pulled
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  Speaker 2: up at the top end of your Google search. Now,
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  Speaker 2: every time that these are just you know, real pithy,
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  Speaker 2: short answers, they sort of give you the surface level
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  Speaker 2: understanding of what you might be looking for, and for
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  Speaker 2: a lot of things like if I want a restaurant
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  Speaker 2: near me, that's great, But if I'm really looking to
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  Speaker 2: dig into God's word, these are not the sort of
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  Speaker 2: answers that should be satisfactory to us. And so I
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  Speaker 2: think your system really solves both those problems plus a
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  Speaker 2: lot more So. I'm just interested how you talk it
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  Speaker 2: through and maybe explain it to people. And obviously we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna do a demo of it here on the show,
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  Speaker 2: but just help people understand what you all have done.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm I'm gonna dog on AI a little
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  Speaker 3: bit because I actually think it's people aren't as concerned
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  Speaker 3: as they should be, honestly. I mean, Barna just released
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  Speaker 3: the State of the Church for twenty twenty six, and
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  Speaker 3: believe it or not, Christians of any demographic in the
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  Speaker 3: United States right now are using AI more than any
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  Speaker 3: other people group right now. The church. Okay. The thing
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  Speaker 3: that's scary though, is more than half now say they
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  Speaker 3: trust AI with their spiritual life, and another more than
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  Speaker 3: half now trust AI more than their pastor. So we
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  Speaker 3: have a problem because, as you said, you have to
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  Speaker 3: train it in order to really finally get to a
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  Speaker 3: point where it's kind of trustworthy. I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 3: think it's ever, but kind of. You know. I'll have
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  Speaker 3: people say to me all the time, you know, oh, Scott,
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  Speaker 3: AI is not as bad as you say for biblical
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  Speaker 3: questions in theology. And you know, I say, listen, pit
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  Speaker 3: bulls make great family pets, right, No, they don't. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: look at the stats. I have fourteen grandkids. I have
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  Speaker 3: ten children. I don't know if you knew that, but
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  Speaker 3: we've adopted a ton of kids, and so I got
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  Speaker 3: a lot of kids around house. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 3: get a pit bowl because I know the dangers. I
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  Speaker 3: know the stats. Now the pushback from people is again,
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  Speaker 3: train it. Like listen, I wouldn't know how to train
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  Speaker 3: a pit pull right, So I just don't think the
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  Speaker 3: risk is worth it. So Logos is kind of AI
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  Speaker 3: with guardrails. Because we're using AI, we have a philosophical
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  Speaker 3: difference than any other option out there for three main reasons.
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  Speaker 3: Number one is garbage in, garbage out. We're not connecting
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  Speaker 3: you to the internet. So you can imagine James when
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  Speaker 3: we announced to our millions of users we put AI
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  Speaker 3: in Logos. Oh that was a fun week at Logo.
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  Speaker 3: I mean we got phone calls. I hate you. I'm
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  Speaker 3: nailing back my old CD ROMs, you know, Mark of
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  Speaker 3: the Beast voicemails. You know, all kinds are crazy. But listen,
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  Speaker 3: I was actually fine with the pushback because that that's
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  Speaker 3: I think we need to have more concern. Actually, so
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  Speaker 3: what I what I tell everybody is Logos AI has
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  Speaker 3: not connected the Internet, so it's not pulling Reddit and
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  Speaker 3: bloggers and crazy, right, it's only AI wrapped around the
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  Speaker 3: Bible and scholarship, so real content, right, commentaries and Bible
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  Speaker 3: dictionaries and things like that. So number one, big difference there.
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  Speaker 3: Number two is hallucinations. Now you know AI hallucinates, and
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  Speaker 3: and they're actually the more they dig into this, it's
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  Speaker 3: not only just hallucinating the answer making things up. It's
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  Speaker 3: even hallucinating the sources. So it'll confidently say, here's the
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  Speaker 3: answer to that question by this person and this periodical
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  Speaker 3: And then when you dig, and here's the thing most
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  Speaker 3: don't dig. It doesn't exist. The person doesn't exist, the
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  Speaker 3: book doesn't exist. I mean, that's really concerning and scary.
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  Speaker 3: But the thing that scares me the most about AI
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  Speaker 3: is a thing called theory of mind. Now, theory of
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  Speaker 3: mine is all AI is trying to figure you out.
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  Speaker 3: It's tickling those ears. It's always kind of patting you
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  Speaker 3: on the back and you're amazing. And not that James
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  Speaker 3: is not amazing. I'm just saying, to be real and honest,
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  Speaker 3: sometimes what the Bible tells me is not what I
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  Speaker 3: want to hear right now. But it's really what I
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  Speaker 3: need to hear right now, right. So you know, a
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  Speaker 3: great example is a dear friend of mine in Dallas,
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  Speaker 3: huge church pastor went to Chat. He's all in Logos,
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  Speaker 3: It'd Scott, it is absolutely game changer for me, but
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  Speaker 3: I'm curious. I went out to Chat. I asked a
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  Speaker 3: question about Romans chapter one towards the back end, think
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  Speaker 3: about it, and the interpretation that chat gave was not good,
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  Speaker 3: not good, right, And so he pushed back, this is wrong,
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  Speaker 3: and chat GBT said you're right, this is wrong. And
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  Speaker 3: he's like, well, why did you tell me that then?
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  Speaker 3: So now as a pastor, he's like, well, wait a second.
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  Speaker 3: Now I'm really concerned because how many people at my
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  Speaker 3: church have gone to Chat Google whatever asked a similar question.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe got saved last weekend. It literally knows nothing really
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  Speaker 3: about sound doctrine and how to interpret texts, and they're
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  Speaker 3: now led astray because if you don't push back, it
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  Speaker 3: will keep going down that road with you. Right, So
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  Speaker 3: Logos doesn't do that. We're not trying to figure you
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  Speaker 3: out now, you know, we don't hallucinate. And when I
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  Speaker 3: say that, people say, well, you know, I went in
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  Speaker 3: there on Baptism, and I'm Presbyterian, you know, and you
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  Speaker 3: know I got more maybe of a Southern Baptist. Play well, listen,
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  Speaker 3: that's not a hallucination, that's interpretation, right that. But I
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  Speaker 3: love that about logos because I can say, how what
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  Speaker 3: an Anglican you know, view this issue text whatever, how
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  Speaker 3: at a Baptist. But again, that's not a hallucination, that's
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  Speaker 3: just the broad context of the church. So yeah, well,
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  Speaker 3: those are three big philosophical differences on how we're using
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  Speaker 3: AI to help people study the Bible.
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  Speaker 2: I think it really resonates with me because whenever I
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  Speaker 2: talk to people who are trying to use AI, I
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  Speaker 2: usually tell them there's a couple of rules that I
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  Speaker 2: sort of follow.
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  Speaker 1: I'm using a claud or a chat GPT.
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  Speaker 2: Number one, I don't ask anything that I'm not already
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  Speaker 2: an expert in. I just don't use it for researching
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  Speaker 2: new topics. I go back to the old school methods of,
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  Speaker 2: you know, doing a lit review. If I want to
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  Speaker 2: do that, right, just go out and find the information.
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  Speaker 2: Myself read some of it, but I do not ask
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  Speaker 2: it for new information because I can't tell where it's
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  Speaker 2: missing and where it's hitting the mark, Whereas if it's
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  Speaker 2: something that's you know, sort of a fastball for me
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  Speaker 2: and I ask it a question just like your pastor did, well,
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  Speaker 2: that Roman's won.
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  Speaker 1: Is kind of off.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I know that, and so that's not really
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  Speaker 2: that big of a deal to me. If I'm doing
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  Speaker 2: something and i'm you know, interacting with an AI and
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  Speaker 2: it's giving me that sort of information, I could just
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  Speaker 2: push back on it and it's no big deal. I
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  Speaker 2: move past it and we're done. But I think that's
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  Speaker 2: the benefit of using it as an expert. You already
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  Speaker 2: have that training and now you can sort of push
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  Speaker 2: back on the AI when it's appropriate. You know, when
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  Speaker 2: it's giving you slippery information, you're going to check your
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  Speaker 2: sources anyway. It does require a certain amount of diligence.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't take all it's not fool proof, and it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't take.
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  Speaker 1: All the work out of it.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that would be I guess my follow
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  Speaker 2: up question for you. When you're programming this into logos,
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  Speaker 2: there's still the expectation that people aren't just going to
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  Speaker 2: you know, read the blips that come up from AI
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  Speaker 2: and logos, that they're going to click in and use
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  Speaker 2: the resources that you are providing because these are really
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  Speaker 2: good resources and they should dig into them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So when and we'll do this in a bit
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  Speaker 3: when I ask a theological question, We're going to give
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  Speaker 3: you the sources to the page number with the hope
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  Speaker 3: that you're like, wow, I like this. I want to
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  Speaker 3: dig and read even more and further. And all you
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  Speaker 3: do is click the link and boom the book opens
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  Speaker 3: up there. But with you know, people have told me
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  Speaker 3: I feel like now I have some confidence now when
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  Speaker 3: I'm studying, because again I know that it's guarded. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I call logos Ai logos Ai with guardrails, and boy
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  Speaker 3: do we need guardrails in the church today. But with
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  Speaker 3: the sources cited, so I can go and read further
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  Speaker 3: and so and so forth. The other thing that it
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  Speaker 3: the benefit is the time savings. You know, I understand busy.
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  Speaker 3: I just told everybody I got ten kids and I
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  Speaker 3: travel and my life's pretty crazy. But you know what,
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  Speaker 3: I'm never too busy to tell the Lord. I can't
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  Speaker 3: give them ten minutes today to study is the word.
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  Speaker 3: There's no one so busy you can't squeeze ten minutes.
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  Speaker 3: Now here's the thing though, ten minutes on Google having
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  Speaker 3: to get through all the nonsense and the one point
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  Speaker 3: two billion hits when you hit enter and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: You just don't go that far right or even with paper.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I'm a book lover. If you could pan
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  Speaker 3: the camera around my office, I got books everywhere. And
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  Speaker 3: I remember pre logo stays, when I was a ministry,
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  Speaker 3: what I used to call Bible study was actually not
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  Speaker 3: really Bible study. What it was was gathering information, right,
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  Speaker 3: I was opening that commentary, going to that Greek dictionary,
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  Speaker 3: and so and so forth. And so one day I experiment,
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  Speaker 3: I took one hour out of my old Bible study
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  Speaker 3: days and I wrote down everything I was doing in
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  Speaker 3: that hour that I called Bible study. You know what
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  Speaker 3: it was looking, I mean, most of it was trying
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  Speaker 3: to find I actually really only studied for like ten minutes,
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  Speaker 3: like literally learning from the text and the resources. And
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  Speaker 3: so Logos just kind of does does the heavy lifting, right,
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  Speaker 3: It goes and finds the key commentaries, good scholarship. And
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  Speaker 3: the other thing is everything's on mobile now, so you know,
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  Speaker 3: most of us, that thing is in your hand a
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  Speaker 3: few times a day. You know, I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: you occasionally get that you were on your phone so
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  Speaker 3: many hours a day, and it's like, oh, Lord, help
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  Speaker 3: me with that. But if we can put tools to
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  Speaker 3: study scripture in that same hand, hey maybe someone will
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  Speaker 3: spend a little less time on Instagram or whatever and
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  Speaker 3: dig deep into scripture and biblical studies. So mobile is
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  Speaker 3: a huge part of the new logos.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point. Why don't we why don't
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  Speaker 2: we hop into it. Let's just take a look at
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  Speaker 2: it and see what it looks like. For those of
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  Speaker 2: you who are listening on audio, your still going to
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  Speaker 2: be able to hear us talking. But my encouragement would
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  Speaker 2: be to go check this video out on YouTube or
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  Speaker 2: on GodTube so you can actually see the presentation that
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  Speaker 2: God's going to do. So yeah, Scott, go ahead and
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  Speaker 2: save your screen and or yeah, go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And actually, what I'll do, especially for those that
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  Speaker 3: can only listen right now, is I've got some great
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  Speaker 3: stats that I love to start with. I did a
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  Speaker 3: video series years ago on the Bible, you know, canonicity
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  Speaker 3: and how do we get the Old Testament and you
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  Speaker 3: know all that stuff. And I stumbled upon a study
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  Speaker 3: that I love to share everywhere I go, and it
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  Speaker 3: was a study of six hundred thousand people, So I mean,
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  Speaker 3: look at that number. That's a big, big number. A
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  Speaker 3: lot of people participated. And then they analyze the data
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  Speaker 3: to see the effects of the Bible on our lives,
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  Speaker 3: like what happens when we're in God's work? Okay, And
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: this is what they discover. It's it's fascinating. When we're
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: in the Bible one time a week really doesn't do
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: much neglible change, doesn't really move the needle two times
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: a week, same three times a week. I think, barely
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: a blip. Okay, So one, two, three pretty flat. The
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: profound discovery was when we're in the Bible at least
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: four times a week, it spikes off the chart. And
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: this startled the smart people that looked at the data
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: because I would have assumed, like everybody, that there'd be
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: a gradual one, two, three, four, you know, No, one, two,
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  Speaker 3: three flat four off the charts. Now what happens at
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  Speaker 3: four or more? Well, Number one is feeling lonely drops
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  Speaker 3: thirty percent, anger issues drop thirty two percent. Bitterness and relationship,
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  Speaker 3: especially marriage, So when I teach at churches, this is
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: when the wife kind of nudges the husband, you know,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: bitterness and relationship especially that drops forty percent, right, alcoholism
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: fifty seven percent. Drop sexual sin in particular pornography drops
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: sixty percent. And the biggest decline was anyone who says
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: I feel distant from God, So feeling spiritually stagnant drops
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: sixty two percent. Now positively sharing your faith two hundred
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: percent increase. And the big increase was discipling others, so
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: those that you do life with, your family, your coworkers
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: and so on, it jumps two hundred and thirty percent.
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  Speaker 3: So bottom line, we need to be in the scripture.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: I think everybody knows that. But there's something about the power.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: They call this the power of four. So that's been
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: our goal at Logos, is to create a tool that
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: makes people or you know, just I want to be
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: in God's word. Right now, we talked about the AI
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: in Logos. Finally, you know, for anybody listening James that
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: had tried Logos ten years ago when it was user hateful,
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: I apologize it's now user friendly because of AI, right,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: and it's because of what we talked about. Garbage in,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: garbage out, not connecting the internet. We're not hallucinating. I mean,
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: these are some of the percentages on making up sources
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: like this is disturbing, right, So again confident answer, but
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: if you really dug into where the answer they say
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: came from, not a pretty picture, and then theory of mind,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: We're we're not trying to figure you out. The other
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: thing is subscription. So if anyone listening had looked at
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Logos back in the day and it was kind of
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: the premiere tool. It's what scholars like you or pastors
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: would go get and use. But it was hard to use,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: and then it cost one thousand dollars. I mean it
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: was really really expensive to have Logos. We've now gone
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: a subscription as low as ten dollars a month. Now,
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: the good news is, because of today's podcasts and recording
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: and everything, we're going to give everyone a free sixty
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: day trial. So when we're done, I'll give everybody, Hey,
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: where do I go? I want to try this out
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: free sixty day trial of what we're talking about. For
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: those with us. Now, I'm going to jump in to
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Logos real quick and just show you a couple things
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: in the time we have. This is Logos Desktop. Okay,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: So again, when you download your free trial, you get
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: it on mobile, desktop, laptop, and there's even a web app,
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: so someone could actually work somewhere where they're like, we
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: do not want you loading Bible software on the work computer.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: You still can go to a web browser, sign into
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: your logos, and have Bible study during your thirty minute
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: lunch break. So we have a web app as well.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: This is new actually since the last time James, you
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: and I got together. This just came to Logos. We
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: did a massive overhaul on a reading plan side of
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Logos because we want people reading not just the Bible,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: but lots of good theological books and so on. So
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: you can see Scott's been a little flaky. I need
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: to get caught up. So this morning started out the
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: gate with some plumbing problems, so you know, so I
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: didn't have my morning time the way I wanted to,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: with my strong cup of coffee. So but hey, listen,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: I don't mind the account of ability. Accountability is good.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: So I don't like red and my reading plan. I'll
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: fix that. But I'm reading Keller's Counterfeit God's. I'm reading C. S.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Lewis Problem of Pain. I'm real behind on that one.
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  Speaker 3: So this weekend I'll get caught up. But notice James
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: the managed plans, and there's what I need to read today.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: This is what I've got to read tomorrow. You know,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: little Carson, little packer and I finished a Bible reading
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: plan a couple of years ago. I did the McShane
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Bible Reading Plan. But what's great is if I want,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: you know, my men's Bible study to jump into my
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Knowing God Bible reading plan or not Bible eating plan
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: Packer plan. Notice the little dots right there, I can
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: actually now share the plan and it'll give me a
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: little link. I text it to my buddies and boom,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: they're in my Bible reading plan for JAF Packers Knowing God,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: which is really cool, right because the more accountabilities even better, right,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: And then when we get together on Wednesdays, we'll talk
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: a little bit about that book and so on. So
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: this is brand new. You can pick any book in logos.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: It could be the Bible, it could be a theological book,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: what have you. And you can be very specific Monday, Thursday, Friday.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: It'll send your phone a little reminder because again we
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: want people reading now. One of the other advantages with
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: subscription is not only the cost now is radically different
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: than old logos, but every six weeks there's a pretty
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: significant upgrade coming. Whereas old logos. If you remember back
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: in the day, it was every two to three years
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: that the new logos would come out, so you had
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: to wait two to three years for all the good, new,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: you know, tools that we've created. So now every six
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: weeks it's kind of Christmas and logos, if you will,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: because you know new stuff, right. But the two things
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: that I want to cover in our time today. The
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: first one's called study Assistant. Okay, so Study Assistant. This
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: just released, I want to say, six months ago, and
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: this is where you're having a conversation in logos now
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: about anything. So it could be, hey, my wife is
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: struggling with anxiety, how can I be a better husband?
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: How can I serve her? Logos has counseling. It'll pull
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: in the verses and ways in which to accomplish what
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: I need help with. You can say, what is this
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Greek word and Ephesians chapter three, verse whatever, and go
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: pull my Greek diction. I mean, the amount of work
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: is significant, or it can be theology. So I'm going
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: to start simple and then I'll blow your mind with
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: some new things that have just recently happened, actually, but
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: I'm going to start with what is the trinity? So
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: I just type in study assistant, what is the trinity?
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: And I want you to notice something, James, that there's
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: two buckets if you will, the all the answer from
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  Speaker 3: So there's your books. That's my logo. So that's the
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: late You know the different options we have, which we'll
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: share here towards the end, but I want everybody to
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: notice that all books is an option. Now. This is
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: my pastor's favorite new feature in logos, and probably will
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: be James's favorite feature because when you flip the switch
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: to all books, we are allowing you to search a
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: seven million dollar theological library. Remember I said we have
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: three hundred thousand books. We're letting you search that whole
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: theological library. Now, the danger, James is we're going to
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: introduce you to books that you don't own. So you'll
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: read a little bit and then it'll say what twelve
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: ninety five, eighteen ninety five. So James, before you ever
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: do this, take your wallet, lock it in another room
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: because the temptation will be great. As my past says,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: so I would advise to always start with your books
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: that that's your level, Premium, Proomax. Those are the three
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: levels we have at Logo. So I'm going to start
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: with my level and I'm going to enter and here
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: we go. Now, what Logos is doing right now is
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: for me, it's reading a couple thousand books. Okay, So
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: how long would it take you to read all the
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: theological books you own? Hey, go give me a good
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: answer on the Trinity and I you know you're not
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: going to do that. But notice notice the citations right, So,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: great answer on the Trinity, but number one represents that
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  Speaker 3: particular Bible dictionary and the page number this one is
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: another dictionary and page number right the Evangelical Dictionary Theology.
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  Speaker 3: So if I want to read further out of let's
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: say this particular theology, then I just clicked the button
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: and I'm reading. So you're never going to click and
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: logos and have us say you got us, we made
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: that up, right, you know, No, we're gonna We're gonna
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: give you the book and the page number. Now here's
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: the thing. If this is not enough for you, So
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: one of the goals in Logo say, is not to
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: kill you with too much information, right, But some people
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: want to be killed like James might be studying something
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: later tonight, and you're like, listen, I want as much
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: very possibly, right, so you can type down here, give
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: me more, and it will layer in more Bible dictionaries,
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: more theologies, more input. Right. So I just want to
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: point that out because I've had people say, hey, Logos,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: sometimes I feel like, ah, you know, give me more.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: I said, did you ever ask that? Nope, Well there
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: you go. Okay, Now I'm gonna continue the conversation. I'm
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: gonna now say I've got my theology. I'm gonna say
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: what are key passages? So I'm typing what are key passages?
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  Speaker 3: And notice, James, I didn't say about the trinity because
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: my conversation is already about the trinity. So Logos knows, Hey,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: that's what we're talking about. I don't need to restate
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: the conversation. And this is this is exactly what happened
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: to me about four months ago. This is a good answer, James. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: key passages. If I wanted more, I could say more.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: But about four months ago, I got a phone call
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: and when I answered the phone, I could tell it
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: was an elderly gentleman and asked me James to would
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: you please, Scott come out to my house and show
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: me how to use the new logos. I've been hearing
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: about it. My scholar friends are talking about it, and
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: I said, oh, well, first, who is this right? Oh oh,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: I'm so I'm so sorry, Scott. This is doctor Bruce Walkey.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Now I thought it was a joke, but it literally was.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: He's going to James. He's going to be ninety six
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: years old, I think next week. Now do you know
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: the conviction that gripped my heart that a ninety six
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: year old scholar bar nun like? Honestly, I think maybe
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: one of the greatest Old Testament scholars living today, doctor
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Bruce Walke, wants to study the Bible even more efficiently,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Like you know, hey, Bruce, you can call it in man.
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  Speaker 3: You're you're you're good, right. So I literally went to
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  Speaker 3: his house. I spent a whole day with him. This
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: is the same example that I started with him to
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: show him how do you study assistant And when he
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: saw James one passage for the Old Testament, he said, Scott,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: come on, you know it's in there more than that
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: I know. So all I had to do to clear
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: that up James was say, I could say, give me
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: more OT, right, give me more OT. Logo snow's OT's
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Old Testament. And this is when doctor Walke put his
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: arm around me and said, okay, you've You've made this
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Old Testament scholar much much happier right now. The most
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: amazing thing, James is I brought my Old Testament theology,
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: uh you know, book of the year. I mean it's
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: it's probably one of the seminal Old Testament theologies. I
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: brought it with me for him to sign. I didn't
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  Speaker 3: pay attention. I went home. I opened up the cover
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: James and he sided to Scott my mentor. So it
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: is now I'm now telling people, James that I am
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: doctor Bruce Walkie's mentor. It's now one of my treasured
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: possessions for sure. But again, notice how easy logos is.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: You just have a conversation. But now I'm going to
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: get a little apologetic here. I'm going to ask a
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: great question about the Trinity. I'm going to say, can
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: we know love without this doctrine? Now, obviously someone can
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: experience love without being a Christian or understanding, but listen,
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: the Bible declares God is love and God is trinitarian
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: fathers and the Holy Spirit. So I love this answer
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: because it's here they're inseparable, right, You really fundamentally have
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  Speaker 3: to have the doctrine of the Trinity to know what
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: love is. Now here's the reason why this question came
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: to mind. I'm working with an NFL quarterback right now
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: who is leading the Bible study with his team, and
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: he's now he's had some Muslims attend the Bible study.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: He's been using this idea to plant gospel seeds in
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: the hearts of his Muslim teammates. Because what do we
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: know a llahs one not father son hoys and what
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: is pretty radically missing from an Islamic worldview is love
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: and great why they don't have the trinity? Right? So
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: and watch this, James. This is how specific you can
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: be in study assistant, because there's a goal for this idea.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say, now, how can I use this
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: to plant gospel seeds and the hearts of my Muslim teammates?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look at how specific this question. So this
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: is the big idea. You can have a massive conversation
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: and study assistant. I mean you can dig deep, deep deep.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: It could be twenty thirty layers of questions. But when
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: you need to use it for something, you can say
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: something like this, and logos picked up on the word
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Muslim and it's literally apologetically imputting that for me with this.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: So but this answer is going to be a lot
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: more evangelistic because that's what I said I wanted, right,
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: So this is amazing. And again, this is on your phone. Now.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: If you start a conversation on your Android or iPhone
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: or whatever you have, the minute you go to your
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: desktop laptop, it's already there, so everything stays in sync.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: So listen, James, I don't mind shopping with my wife
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: anymore more, you know. And I'm going to be sitting
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: there in that chair. I have logos on my iPhone
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: like I have had. I've had moments where I've told
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: my wife, go ahead, continue shopping, honey. I'm in a
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: study right now on whatever. Because the power of this
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: is in your pocket, right. And then lastly, I want
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: to show this. I love to do this in logos.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: I can now say something like what did Augustin say?
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: You know, because maybe I want to know what a
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: father said? What did C. S. Lewis say? What did
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: you know if you have a favorite author, preacher dead old,
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: what have you? I love doing this because a lot
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: of times I want to know what did Augustine say?
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: What did C. S. Lewis say? What did Moody say?
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: What did you know? So you can say that in logos.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Now notice this, and you'll appreciate this because you've done
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: a lot of you know, research. Notice what it says
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: the search was constrained, so it gave me my answer,
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: But it said the search was only from Augustine's writings,
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: But would you like me to search everything? So when
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: I say yes to that, prompting James, it's now still
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: what Augustine said, but what scholars say.
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  Speaker 2: Augustine said the interpretations of Augustine.
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  Speaker 3: Which is so now I went from primary to secondary
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  Speaker 3: sources just by saying yes. Okay. Now, notice James, at
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: the bottom of every section there is a little copy button,
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: So each part of each of the conversation. If I
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: want to copy that, jump over. Let's say I'm leading
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: my Men's Bible study and I've got some things i
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: want to share. I hit paste and everything is cited
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: so people watching can't see what just happened. But if
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: there is any students or writers right now that saw
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: what I just did. The hallelujahs went up, because that
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: is amazing that logos will cite everything in any citation style.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: Tarabian sbl MLA eight have all the citation styles, so
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: huge feature. Now a couple of things left and study assistant.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: I want you to notice, James the copy all button,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: because maybe I want the entirety of my conversation copied
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: over to maybe I'm teaching a Bible study or something.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: I want you to also notice recent okay, recent shows
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: you all the conversations that you're having, okay, which means
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: what I can go back in and ask more and
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: continue that conversation, make it deeper, make it bigger, and
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: so on. So let me just show you, you know,
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: the practical use. You know, we've gotten a little geeky
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: with you know, some doctrinal study and again you could say,
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: what is this Hebrew word in this passage? And but
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: I want to show everybody how practical this is for life.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Meaning I've got some preteens. Again, I've already said I've
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: got a ton of kids, and one of my sons
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: asked me not too long ago, you know, Dad, why
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: does guy that allows suffering? So I just went in
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: here and said, how do I talk to my preteens
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: on why God allows suffering? I love. The beginning of
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: the answer was Jesus experience suffering, so we have a
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: God that knows it, right, that suffered, so great place
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: to start this conversation. But another reason is suffering is
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: because we can hurt people. Right. Here's another point that
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: logo said is that we grow through suffering and difficulty, right,
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: and then it helps us give comfort. So this is
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: a really good simple answer. And again, if I want more,
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: I would simply say, give me more. But then I said,
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: what are examples in the Bible, Because that's what I'm
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: always trying to do with my kids, is, Hey, where's
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: this in scripture? Give me examples in the Bible where
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: God uses suffering in someone's life for good? And I
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: got Paul and job. And again, if I wanted more,
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: just say more. But I'm fine with that. But look
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: what I did, James. I then said, summarize this into
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: three points for me to lead my family in a
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  Speaker 3: Bible study. Okay, Now again I could have gone ten
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  Speaker 3: layers deeper than this, right, And then said summarize all
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  Speaker 3: of this. But I want you to notice James great outline.
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  Speaker 3: God transforms evil into ultimate good, Suffering develops character and
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  Speaker 3: suffering it help equips us to help others. Notice it
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  Speaker 3: didn't write the lesson. So here's the big idea. We
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  Speaker 3: have one hundred coders at Logos Okay that are working
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  Speaker 3: on this every day, making it better, adding new features.
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  Speaker 3: But you know what they hard coded into logos AI.
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  Speaker 3: It will never write your paper, it will never write
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  Speaker 3: your sermon, it will never write your Bible study? Can
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  Speaker 3: I get an amen? So we've hard coded our AI
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  Speaker 3: to say if someone dare James goes in and says, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I golfed too much this week and I'm leading my
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  Speaker 3: men Bible study Thursday night, Logos, can you just write
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  Speaker 3: my Bible study? You know what it'll say, No, I
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  Speaker 3: love that about logos Now it'll come back with promptings.
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  Speaker 3: It'll say, Nope, not going to do it, but I'll help,
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  Speaker 3: Like would you like an outline? Would do you want
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  Speaker 3: to do some key Greek words studies from the text?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 3: But never will it write your Bible study? Now, lastly,
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  Speaker 3: I want to show you this, especially if we have
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  Speaker 3: any Baptist watching right, you can actually say this, James,
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  Speaker 3: can you alliterate these because I know what teenagers are precheams.
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  Speaker 3: They learned with alliteration. So I just said, can you
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  Speaker 3: alliterate these points? And logos came back with God's good
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  Speaker 3: from evil, suffering shapes soul, and comfort connects to communities.
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  Speaker 3: So if you want so, that's the power of this tool, right.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to help moms and dads lead their kids
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  Speaker 3: and answer those tough apologetic questions, which I love, right.
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  Speaker 3: I love it when my kids ask me a tough
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  Speaker 3: theological question. But now I have the confidence, even on
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  Speaker 3: my phone, to say, hey, I'll get you an answer
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  Speaker 3: on that right now. The last thing I wanted to
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  Speaker 3: show James is I'm going to go to recent I
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: might have shared this with you when we met, maybe
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  Speaker 3: a month ago, but I noticed pretty recently that there's
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  Speaker 3: no exorcisms in the Gospel of John. And this kind
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  Speaker 3: of blew me away because think about the ministry of Jesus.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: He was always dealing with Satan and casting out and
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  Speaker 3: it was a big but missing from John. So I asked,
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  Speaker 3: why are there no exorcisms in the Gospel of John? Now?
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  Speaker 3: What's great about this answer is amazing insight into John's
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  Speaker 3: view of things. But it's a third paragraph that just
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  Speaker 3: blew me away. And it's this line right here. In
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  Speaker 3: John's worldview, Jesus is presented as equal with God, making
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  Speaker 3: Satan and his a gents already defeated foes who need
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  Speaker 3: not appear in the narrative, James, what John's basically saying
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  Speaker 3: is Satan, I know what happens. Jesus is king. You're defeated.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not even gonna waste ink on you. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: that is the ultimate backslap. I love that, like I
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  Speaker 3: wanted to share that with my men's Bible study. So
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: here's the new feature, James. Notice the copy link button. Okay, now,
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  Speaker 3: actually text me right now just so that it's the
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  Speaker 3: top of my messenger or whatever. But basically, uh, if
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  Speaker 3: if I can get to your text, because I've got
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  Speaker 3: my messenger open up another, uh send me a little text.
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  Speaker 3: So it's the top of my crazy messages inbox here
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  Speaker 3: and I'm gonna text you. There we go. There, I
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  Speaker 3: heard the ding. So you just saw me hit copy
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  Speaker 3: link on my Mac. I just sent you something which
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  Speaker 3: was the copy link. I want you to click the
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  Speaker 3: link that I just sent you to your phone and
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  Speaker 3: tell everybody what is now on your mobile device.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I have the entire study Assistant why
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  Speaker 2: John's Gospel.
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  Speaker 3: So the whole thing that I just did on screen
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  Speaker 3: you now have and James, it's all sighted, it's all sited. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so listen for anybody watching that is you know you're
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  Speaker 3: discipling somebody, you're discipling your families, Maybe you're having a
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  Speaker 3: good conversation, or maybe you're having a tough conversation with
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: somebody and you want to give them a biblical perspective
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: on this. You literally build out the conversation and study assistant,
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  Speaker 3: hit copy link and send it to them. Now here's
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: the thing. If they have logos, it'll loaded into their
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: study Assistant, which means what they can continue the conversation,
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  Speaker 3: go further with it. But here's the thing. If if
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: I sent that, James to somebody that doesn't have logos,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: that whole thing still loads up on their phone, the
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  Speaker 3: whole conversation all cited. So I love. So I've been
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: in live streams James, where we've gotten to a little
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: theological debate, like some random that came in with, you know,
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: and I went into study assistant and I nailed it
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  Speaker 3: with some scholarship. And I'll just post that in the
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  Speaker 3: comments and say, hey, here here is the here's the
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  Speaker 3: right view on that, if you will, And this is
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  Speaker 3: really what the Greek says, not that I don't know
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: where you got that, right. I love this new feature
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  Speaker 3: because of its implication for discipleship.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: It's really great.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, just looking at this, it's like all the
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: right sources you'd want to do. Like you said, you
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: could go fifteen layers deeper. Question for you, Like when
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: you're doing this and you get down to that point
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: where you say, hey, can you summarize a you know,
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  Speaker 2: an outline for my family so I could teach them
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  Speaker 2: about suffering? Do you have to go through all the
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  Speaker 2: other prompts to get to that or did somebody just
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  Speaker 2: come in and sort of ask that last question and
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  Speaker 2: get what you got?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? So the more you layer in a conversation, you're
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  Speaker 3: you're kind of you're bringing more to the table, right, ye?
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  Speaker 3: So you could someone could have just right out the
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  Speaker 3: gates say hey, how do I talk to my kids
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  Speaker 3: about suffering? Right? But I did want to ask give
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  Speaker 3: me examples in the Bible, because I want my kids
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  Speaker 3: to go to scripture as much as possible. Right, But yes,
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  Speaker 3: you literally can just real quickly say and listen, that's
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: happened to me when the Mormons show up at my
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  Speaker 3: house or the Jehovah witness And I'm like, okay, you
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  Speaker 3: know I did go to Seton, but I really want
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  Speaker 3: to I want to nail that thing you just said,
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  Speaker 3: because that's not right. I can go right into study
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  Speaker 3: assistant with exactly the question I want right now. This
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  Speaker 3: is where that all books comes into play. Let's say
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  Speaker 3: somebody watching. Actually this happened to me recently. I've spoken Dallas.
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  Speaker 3: I had a young woman come up to me and
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: she said, Scott, this is this is this is so
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  Speaker 3: providential because I've been having Mormons come to my house
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  Speaker 3: a lot, and I feel a little threatened because I
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  Speaker 3: don't know my stuff enough. I think she's a relatively
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  Speaker 3: new Christian, but she wants to keep the engagement going.
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  Speaker 3: She she's glad they're showing up, you know. And so
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  Speaker 3: she's like, oh, I can't wait for the next door knock, right,
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  Speaker 3: I can't wait for them to show. But here's I
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  Speaker 3: told her this I think she went with the pro level,
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  Speaker 3: which is the middle. And again we're going to talk
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  Speaker 3: about the three versions of logos. But I said, you know,
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  Speaker 3: on a question like that, that's very specific, and there
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  Speaker 3: will be in each version of logos, there'll be some
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  Speaker 3: apologetics for that. But this might be where you flip
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  Speaker 3: the switch to all books so that you can really
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  Speaker 3: broaden what you're pulling from, you know. Yeah, And she said, oh, well,
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  Speaker 3: that's a good point, because you know that that's kind
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  Speaker 3: of a nuanced study or you know, you're you're you're
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  Speaker 3: looking at theology, but from from a totally different angle,
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  Speaker 3: right apologetically. So that's where I would flip it to
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  Speaker 3: all books and open up the floodgates, if you will,
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  Speaker 3: on all the apologetic material that might be available to you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so that is study assistant. The thing will a
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  Speaker 3: couple of things will close with. But factbook is where
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: I go for study. Okay, So study assistant is where
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  Speaker 3: I go. I need some help build my Men's Bible study.
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  Speaker 3: I want to look at this theological idea. I'm I
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  Speaker 3: want to look at this Greek word. I mean, this
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  Speaker 3: is where I specifically go with my questions. But factbook
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  Speaker 3: is where I go study. Now, notice I'm here. I
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  Speaker 3: was doing a little study in Ephesians chapter two. But
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  Speaker 3: you can also type in a topic, so you could
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  Speaker 3: type resurrection manuscripts, like tell me more about Dead Sea Scroll.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, whatever you want to know about, type it
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  Speaker 3: in fact book. Now, I'll tell everybody this was not preempted.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't talk to you before. But give me a passage,
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  Speaker 3: James that maybe you're in personally, or or you're getting
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  Speaker 3: ready to go teach somewhere and you just happen to
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  Speaker 3: be in. Give me a chapter older New Testament.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'll say that the one I always go to
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  Speaker 2: is my go to passage Genesis six four and five.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, now you could do Genesis six four five, and
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  Speaker 3: you could you could do John three sixteen. But I
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  Speaker 3: always type the book and the chapter and let this
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  Speaker 3: drop down because sometimes I don't know where really does
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  Speaker 3: this start and stop the theme of it right, as
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  Speaker 3: a matter of fact, using James, I'm sorry, using John
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  Speaker 3: three sixteen as an example. If somebody wanted to study
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  Speaker 3: Jesus and Nicodemus, well that starts in chapter two, right,
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  Speaker 3: So if you don't know that, you're missing a good
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  Speaker 3: chunk if that's what you want to study. Oh, I
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  Speaker 3: could do four or five. But is there and you
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  Speaker 3: know this we call this a perricopy, But is there
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  Speaker 3: a perricopy here that we see that you would want
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  Speaker 3: to hone in on.
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  Speaker 2: You could do you know, you could do Genesis one, six,
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  Speaker 2: one through probably eight, the increasing corruption on like that exactly,
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  Speaker 2: just one of those really complicated passages.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm going to select that. And so here's the
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  Speaker 3: thing I would say, James, The greatest barrier to Bible
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  Speaker 3: study for most is they don't know the right questions
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: to ask the text, right. So one of the skills
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  Speaker 3: that you've honed over the years and getting your doctorate
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  Speaker 3: and doing this and do that is is you you
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: know how to engage with the text to the level
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  Speaker 3: that a lot of people don't, right. So when you
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  Speaker 3: look at a text, you've got your exegetical glasses, your
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  Speaker 3: historical glasses, your cultural glasses, and so most people don't
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  Speaker 3: know how to do that right. And so what Logos
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  Speaker 3: just did in a second, So for those again just
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  Speaker 3: hearing and not seeing, I typed in the passage that
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  Speaker 3: James gave me, and in one second, what Logos did
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  Speaker 3: on the screen as I scroll, is probably thirty to
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  Speaker 3: forty hours worth of biblical research already done. We're talking
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  Speaker 3: journals and Sermont archives and passages and commentaries. So remember, James,
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  Speaker 3: you know the excuse we try to give the Lord.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have enough time. No, no, no more. We
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  Speaker 3: literally cannot do that if you have logos. But there's
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  Speaker 3: your commentaries, now, James, what's the average price of a
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  Speaker 3: commentary these days?
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: They're like the most expensive.
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  Speaker 2: Books you can buy, you know, easy easy.
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  Speaker 3: Right, and romans could be two three volumes, right xer so,
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  Speaker 3: so they're very expensive. Logos comes with hundreds of commentaries.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: So notice that I've got Kenneth Matthews from New American Commentary.
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  Speaker 3: I've got Derek Kidner right, So I love Derek kid
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  Speaker 3: and especially for the Psalms out of Tyndale. So all
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  Speaker 3: I had to do is click the link and I'm
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  Speaker 3: now in the Genesis volume commentary for Tyndale Derek Kidner. Now,
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: if you have the time to read all this insight,
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  Speaker 3: that's great, But sometimes I'm a little busy, James, and
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  Speaker 3: I don't have time right now to read thirty pages
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  Speaker 3: of Derek Kidner being brilliant. Right, So look at what
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  Speaker 3: I've got right here. Summarize. There's a button on the
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  Speaker 3: screen so I could click summarize now to what you said.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want anybody thinking, oh, now I don't need
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  Speaker 3: to read the commentary. No, no, no, no, that's not why
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: we did this. Basically, when I go into a Christian
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  Speaker 3: bookstore and there's a book that interests me, what do
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  Speaker 3: I read? I read the back. I read the back
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  Speaker 3: of the book because what does it do. It summarizes
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  Speaker 3: the content of the book, and I make my decision James,
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  Speaker 3: on whether I'm going to buy this book or not.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: A lot of times buy those summaries, right, that's what
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: we're doing. So what this enables you to do is, look,
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: I'm going to do this for like three different commentaries
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  Speaker 3: and logos, just summarize the kind of the theological view
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  Speaker 3: of that scholar. Right. Which is great because for the
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  Speaker 3: time it used to take me to read two pages
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  Speaker 3: out of a commentary, I could summarize four or five
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  Speaker 3: and then decide, oh, that's the angle that I want
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  Speaker 3: to tackle the text with. Right, So that's that's huge.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if I can say, just for people who may
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  Speaker 2: be sitting back thinking like this seems crazy to do.
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  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you just read the whole thing? I would say,
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  Speaker 2: we do this with journal articles all the time. There's
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  Speaker 2: usually an abstract, and you read the abstract and you
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: decide is this is sort of information you're looking for?
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  Speaker 2: We always use these kind of shortcuts. You're just building
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  Speaker 2: a system that gives us shortcuts that we didn't have previously, right,
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  Speaker 2: And so, I mean, I think just to say that,
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  Speaker 2: so the people aren't feeling like, oh, you're just building
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  Speaker 2: shortcuts all over the place.
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  Speaker 1: Not really, This is.
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  Speaker 2: How I would do it if I were if I
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  Speaker 2: were searching a journal article, I don't usually have the
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  Speaker 2: option to do it with the commentary, and so this is.
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  Speaker 1: A great option.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And even Bible dictionaries. You know, sometimes
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  Speaker 3: I'm studying Let's use the example of the Trinity, and
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  Speaker 3: obviously I can go to ten Bible dictionaries on the
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  Speaker 3: Trinity with this feature and logos. If I went to
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  Speaker 3: factbook with Trinity, it would line up all my Bible
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  Speaker 3: dictionaries and then I can summarize ten of them and go, oh,
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  Speaker 3: that one, that's the one I really want to read
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  Speaker 3: right now, right that's right. Again, if you have the
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  Speaker 3: time later to read all ten, have at it. I
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  Speaker 3: usually don't have time to read ten Bible Dictionary articles
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  Speaker 3: on Trinity. That's right, all right, all your Bibles lined
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  Speaker 3: up as the next section. So I like the ESV.
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  Speaker 3: But maybe someone listening wants new King, James, new living.
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  Speaker 3: There we go. But this is the goal. This is
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  Speaker 3: new to factbook, a new section called questions to ask
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  Speaker 3: And so basically what we've done is applied those lenses
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  Speaker 3: to the text. So look what it did for Genesis
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  Speaker 3: one through eight? Who are the sons of God? Does
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  Speaker 3: God truly regret? You know? This is you know, I've
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  Speaker 3: had people, you know, think they got me on this one, right,
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  Speaker 3: you know, No, No, what is the Nephilum? So what's
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  Speaker 3: awesome about this, James, is if I went through these
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  Speaker 3: questions like what is the theological significance of the nephilum?
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  Speaker 3: Or how about what ancient Near Eastern myths? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: that is amazing questions to ask the text?
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's great.
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  Speaker 3: And I use this example. I wasn't raising a Christian home.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: I got saved on a Sunday. Next Monday, I was
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: at a bookstore buying a Bible. I didn't know this
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: Christian books stores names. I went to like just a
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: secular whatever, and they had a couple of Bibles. I
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: bought my first Bible. I didn't know where to start
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: because I never read the Bible. And someone wisely said, hey,
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: I would live in the Gospel of John, Like, just
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: pick a gospel. I recommend John. So that's what I did.
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  Speaker 3: I started in John one one. Now I want everybody
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: to think about the amount of theology that's in the
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: first fifteen to sixteen past and listen, James, I missed
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  Speaker 3: all of it. I didn't know that was in there.
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  Speaker 3: Why I didn't do this, I didn't know the right
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  Speaker 3: questions to ask the text. So here's what you do.
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  Speaker 3: If you want to know what are the Nephlum? Who
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: are the sons of God in Genesis City? You just
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: click the arrow next to the question that you're like, oh,
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: give me more of that logos. Now, is doing the
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: research guarded right, It's not pulling any random craziness off
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  Speaker 3: the internet. It's going the scholarship right. And there's views
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: of interpretation right. So there's the angelic interpretation, there's an
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  Speaker 3: alternative interpretation, you know, it pulled in a little grudam,
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  Speaker 3: little William Cook, little utly, but this is this is great.
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  Speaker 3: Now here's the thing. This is kind of a hot
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  Speaker 3: topic with a lot of people getting into the Nephelom
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  Speaker 3: and the sons of You know, I want to I
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  Speaker 3: want to do.
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  Speaker 1: That all day with it, more than I really want to.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, right right, Notice though, at the bottom of
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  Speaker 3: my answer, so again, Logos is going to be gonna
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: give me a good quick synopsis scholarship cited. But notice
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  Speaker 3: that button, James. If I clicked that, it loads the
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: question into my study assistant for me to go further,
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: so I can say something like, what did Heiser say? Right?
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: And let me make sure I spelled Mike's names right?
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: What did Heiser say? And again, this is how specific
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: I could be. Obviously, doctor Michael Heiser wrote a lot
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: about this. Logos has got a ton of books by
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: doctor Michael Heiser, and here we go. Heiser identify sons
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  Speaker 3: of God as angelic beings who co cohabited with human wit.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: So specifically, now I'm going to look at that it's
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: only citing three books of doctor Michael Heiser, because that's
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  Speaker 3: what I asked But the beauty of this, James, is
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  Speaker 3: the fact that now I'm not scared of numbers, right,
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  Speaker 3: Like those books are the Bible that are like I
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: wouldn't even know how to study that, right, Leviticus, You
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: know what is the book of the Bible where most
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  Speaker 3: people's Bible reading plan falls off right when they hit Leviticus. Right.
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  Speaker 3: So that's the power of fact book is the fact
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  Speaker 3: that I can go there with a text, I can
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  Speaker 3: go there with a topic, and the amount of research.
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  Speaker 3: Again as I scroll again. You talked about theological journals.
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  Speaker 3: Logos brings me those it brought in sermons. I'm a
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  Speaker 3: massive Tim Keller fan, so I clicked that little button there,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm discovering that Keller preached a message back in
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: two thousand on this text. There it is right, and
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  Speaker 3: I can go even further. Right, there's a whole section
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  Speaker 3: here called dig Deeper if I want to go even
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  Speaker 3: further with this. But the big idea is it's that easy.
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  Speaker 3: You just type the text you want to study, and
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  Speaker 3: Logos does thirty forty fifty hours worth of Biblical research
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  Speaker 3: for you. Now, let me know how much time we've
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: got left. Those are the two main tools I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to show we're study assistant when I have questions or
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  Speaker 3: direction help. You know, I'm writing a Bible, study a
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  Speaker 3: blog post or what have you. And then factbook is
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: where I go study a text or a topic.
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  Speaker 2: We probably got about ten minutes left, so and we
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  Speaker 2: want to make sure we get to the level take
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  Speaker 2: that kind of good stuff. So yeah, So the other thing.
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  Speaker 3: That logos does and largely do because and you know this,
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  Speaker 3: one of the radical shifts in education today is is
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: we learn visually. So you know, the use of charts
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: and graphics. I mean, look at a newspaper and I
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: might say that somebody and somebody's like, newspaper. What's that?
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  Speaker 3: But a newspaper today compared to ten years ago. The
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  Speaker 3: radical shift is visual, right, visualizing with charts and graphs
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  Speaker 3: and things like that. So we're trying to do that
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  Speaker 3: in logos as well for the Bible because it helps
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: us learn. So there's a thing in logos you just
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: go to tools here and you scroll down to the bottom,
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  Speaker 3: and it's called interactive media. Okay, so just go here
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  Speaker 3: later and there's hundreds of these. I'm going to show
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  Speaker 3: you two or three for sake of time, but what
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: these do is visualize your studies. So the first one
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: we're looking at here is called the Bible books explore,
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: and notice on the screen, I see all the books
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  Speaker 3: of the Bible, and there's some colors happening. So I
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: noticed Genesis is mainly blue. I see Leviticus is kind
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: of split between green and yellow. And notice up here, James,
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  Speaker 3: that's why here's it's telling me. Blue is mainly narrative.
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  Speaker 3: Leviticus is kind of procedural behavioral. So the color is
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  Speaker 3: kind of giving you know, the emphasis, if you will,
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  Speaker 3: are the literary emphasis of the book? Right now, Notice
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  Speaker 3: I can put it in the order of the Hebrew canon,
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  Speaker 3: the order of what books have the most words. That
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  Speaker 3: would be Jeremiah chapters. There's some So I can look
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: at the books of the Bible in any lens or view.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: But let me just put them back in the way
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  Speaker 3: that we're used to Genesis exous, leviticuts. So there we go.
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  Speaker 3: Now again, notice Genesis is primarily blue. But if I
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  Speaker 3: float on it, there's my snapshot. So it's ninety one
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  Speaker 3: percent narrative. Now that's great, But what if I really
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  Speaker 3: wanted a better overview of a particular book of the Bible.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: And you mentioned Genesis, so I want a better overview
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  Speaker 3: of Genesis. So this is where I click it. Now,
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: when I click it, notice what instantly shows on the screen.
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  Speaker 3: Here are my details. Moses wrote it, the languages it
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  Speaker 3: was written in, the BIB local eras that are encompassing
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  Speaker 3: that book, right, the key people, the key places, the
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  Speaker 3: key things. Now, notice James, the things that are in blue.
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  Speaker 3: So notice key places. You know I need to know
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  Speaker 3: about Eden and Canaan and Babylon. Those are the kind
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  Speaker 3: of the big ones there. But let's say I don't
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  Speaker 3: really know much about let's say Babylon. Okay, notice it's
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  Speaker 3: in blue. Now I can float and get a brief
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  Speaker 3: definition on what that is. And this is great because
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: sometimes you know, I forget who Jfeth is or you know,
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  Speaker 3: the people of Yeah, so I love that. But watch this.
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  Speaker 3: If I really want to dig deeper into a person,
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: a place, a thing, a biblical era, whatever you see
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: on the screen, click it and logos again. In fact,
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  Speaker 3: book just did what literally just did about ten hours
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  Speaker 3: worth of amazing study on Babylon with the questions right,
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: the questions asked, there's my media, my maps, I get
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  Speaker 3: a picture of Tower Babbel, I get key passages. There's
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  Speaker 3: my Greek, my Hebrew pronounce so notice the speaker. It'll
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: pronounce your Greek for you properly. It'll pronounce your Hebrew
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: for you properly. But again the point I'm look at
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: all this. Look look what it did in one second.
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  Speaker 3: I mean that that's unbelievable. And all I did, James,
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  Speaker 3: was click on the word babblin. That's it, right, yeah,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: Now here's where it gets good timeline. That little button
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: there will show me the age of the particular books
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: of the Bible, right, so so someone might be learning
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: for the first time right now, James, that Job is
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: actually the oldest book. People assume Genesis first book got
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  Speaker 3: to be the old No, Job is the oldest book
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: in the canon. But this is the goal. Notice the
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: button here that says tertext. So by clicking that, what
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: we're looking at now is how the Old New Testament
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: talk to each other. So notice there's some connections here
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: happening Old New Testament. So if I float on Romans,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: what we're now seeing are the Old Testament book cited
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  Speaker 3: in Romans. Okay, if I come here to Psalms, or
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  Speaker 3: Isaiah in an Old Testament book. Now what we're seeing
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: is Psalms is cited in these New Testament books. So
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  Speaker 3: this is so good because I'll be honest, if I'm
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  Speaker 3: in a New Testament book or you're in Genesis, you're
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  Speaker 3: probably not thinking about the New Testament as much as
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: you should be, right because I'm in the Old Testament.
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  Speaker 3: So I love this because the more we connect those dots,
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  Speaker 3: absolutely the better study you're going to get when you're
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: linking all all the books of the Bible. Now here's
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: what you can also do. Notice this was just me
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: floating to see the interaction. But if I click, so
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: I'm now going to click on the slice here that
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: says Psalms. And now what we see is the actual passages.
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  Speaker 3: So this is where Psalms is cited in the New Testament.
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  Speaker 3: So quite linkage. There's a lot of verses there. Yeah, yeah, okay,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: so that's the Bible book. Looks for. Another one that's
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: great is we'll take books of the Bible. We did
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  Speaker 3: this with the Book of Psalms, where you know, here's
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: all the Psalms lined up. If I was to pick
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: my favorite, probably Psalm twenty three and look at how
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: geeky you can get. This is what it would look
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  Speaker 3: like in my leatherbound Bible that I have my morning
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: time with. And you know, but one click, there's the Hebrew,
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  Speaker 3: next two Psalm verse one, two, three, four, five, there's
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: the parallelism instantly, and even the structure. So this is
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  Speaker 3: the level and depth at which you can dig into
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: the Psalms. But notice again in the corner, I've got
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: some buttons. By book shows me the five books of
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: the Psalms. So there's structured in five books. And notice
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: some one nineteen's the biggest dot, So that's telling us
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: what it's the biggest chapter in Psalms author who wrote what?
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: So with one click, I see what Moses wrote? What's anonymous?
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: Solomon David? So on structure, we don't have time. I'm
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  Speaker 3: for this, but this is awesome to see the literary
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  Speaker 3: devices and and and uh used in some of the Psalms.
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  Speaker 3: But I want to stop here at genre, because what
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  Speaker 3: do we see right now instantly on the screen is
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  Speaker 3: the biggest genre or theme running through Psalms is lament
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: and grief and sorrow. And this is why I love Psalms.
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  Speaker 3: You know, if I'm going through something tough, James, I
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: run to the Book of Psalms. Why, I find great
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: comfort in the honesty of the writer. Right. You know,
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  Speaker 3: not too long ago I did a live stream with
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: Anti right actually, and he said he feels the church
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  Speaker 3: has lost the art of lament, meaning we're we're real
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: quick with the right theological answer and and but we
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  Speaker 3: we we've lost the art of putting our arm around
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  Speaker 3: a person and weeping with those who weep, and and
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: just being silent. Right. And I love the fact that
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  Speaker 3: we see here in the Book of Psalms that was
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: this is an emphasis in the Book of Psalms, right,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: So just little dots floating around gives me some real
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: perspective on things that are happening in the Psalms. Now,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: the last one I'll show, and I've not yet been
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: and you've probably been numerous times. I've not been to
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: the Holy Land, but you can and logo. So look
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: at what we're seeing here on the screen. We're seeing
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: Jerusalem ephesis. So it's not just the Holy Land, it's
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: you know, the Middle East and Turkey and so on.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: But you get to go where you want to go.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: I'm going to click here on the little picture of Jerusalem,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: and notice what happened. For one, it gives me my definition,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: so all the basics that I need to know about
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: Herod and the Jebusites and so on and again everything
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: clicks to factbooks. So if I have no idea what
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: a Jebusite is, well you either float or click and
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: there's all your information. But look what we did for you.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: This is a satellite image right now of Jerusalem. But
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: if you take the bar here scroll it across the screen,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: we give you kind of an artist render rendering of
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: what Jerusalem might have looked like at the time. But
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: I love this because it just adds another layer of
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: depth and insight into my studies. And I'll close with
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: this as we tell everybody how do I get my
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  Speaker 3: free sixty days? I need to warn everyone, James that
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: downloads logos for the first time, You're gonna lose some sleep. Okay,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: it will be one o'clock in them, but listen, James,
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't it be amazing to lose track of an hour,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: two three hours because you're digging and clicking and learning.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: And I mean, that's the kind of tool we want
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: to create. It logos to where Bible study is not
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: the broccoli on the TV dinner. You know, it's the
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: dessert and it's the meat. I mean, it has nutrition
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: and BROCCOLI's part of it. But I'm just saying, we
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: want to create a tool that makes Bible study addictive.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: Like wouldn't it be great if we binged the Bible?
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: You know, not a series, and I'm not against that.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: My wife and I right now we're binging alone. That's
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: kind of our show. But wouldn't it be great to
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: binge the Bible? Right? Like? Can't get enough of this thing?
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: So that's kind of Logos in a nutshell. But let
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: me close with the offer, and we did all this,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: so here we go. All they need to do is
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  Speaker 3: go to logos dot com, Forward slash Thinking Christian, or
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  Speaker 3: they can scan the QR code when they go to
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  Speaker 3: the page and it's live. Now. These are the three options.
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  Speaker 3: Premium fantastic, but I highly recommend pro And here's the
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  Speaker 3: reason why. Notice James, the amount of books that you
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: have access to study assistant and for fact book, because
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: again we're not connecting to the internet. So the more
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: books you have to pull from, the better the answer,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: the more insight. So four thousand books in premium. That's phenomenal. Right,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: that's a big library, but pro doubles the amount of
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: books you have access to. And at the pro level
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: you can do Greek and Hebrew study. So if you're
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: in Genesis you want to dig into the Hebrew text,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: that's what's also added are your Greek Hebrew dictionaries, your
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: heat Greek Hebrew text airmake as well. And then max
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: is just the uber geeky. I think that's what you've got, James,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: But that's a whole level. You know, this is where
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: your ancient languages come in, Coptic, Syriac, you Garritic, and
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: it does add more books. So notice again we add
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  Speaker 3: another twenty five dollars. So all people need to do
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: is either go to the website logus dot com, Forward
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  Speaker 3: Slash Thinking Christian, scan the QR code. But pay attention
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  Speaker 3: to the deadline. This is just a two week offer
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  Speaker 3: from the release of this podcast. Okay, so Wednesday, September eighth,
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  Speaker 3: at eleven fifty nine, almost midnight, that website goes away
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  Speaker 3: with the free sixty days. So this is a special
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  Speaker 3: offer for your audience. I want to say, mobiles amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Almost everything that we did today is accessible on your iPhone,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: Android tablet, what have you. Yeah, let me just close
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  Speaker 3: with this. And when I do this James at a conference,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: people won't look at me, you know, and I listen this.
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  Speaker 3: I had, I had my team do this for me.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: I just told them here's what I'm subscribing to. But
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: for those listening, and what we're looking at on the
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: screen is Scott subscriptions like Hulu, ESPN and listen. I
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: don't need six ways to watch a movie. I just don't, right,
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  Speaker 3: get rid of something. And you can have logos again,
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  Speaker 3: as low as ten dollars a month, you can have
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: this tool and it will radically enhance the way you
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: study scripture. Love to close with this quote, Dan Story said,
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  Speaker 3: the ultimate goal of apologetics is to bring unbelievers to
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: the point where they must admit, even if only to themselves,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: that if they reject Jesus Christ, they're not doing so
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: for intellectual reasons. They're not. And that's the tool we want.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: We want to You know, my quarterback buddy, who will
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: remain anonymous for now, has said I used to when
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: I got a question from a teammate, I would say
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: I'll have the answer next week, Like because he had logos,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: but he didn't have the AI yet. And now that
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: this is mobile, he says, Now, he says, give me
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: the question right now, what is the question? And he's
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: able to copy link and send him the answer like
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  Speaker 3: literally within thirty seconds of that conversation. So I'll leave
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: this up if you want to close with any closing comments.
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  Speaker 3: But again, the deadline is Wednesday, September eighth. There's the
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  Speaker 3: QR code and there's the URL. It's thinking, Christian, I
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  Speaker 3: just noticed that. There we go, go.
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  Speaker 1: Thinking, Christian, there we go. There you go?
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  Speaker 3: Got it? Fixed it all right?
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  Speaker 2: No, Scott, I mean I really appreciate this. We do
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: a lot of conversations about AI. I'm just finishing up
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: a book on digital discernment with IVP, and I think
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: a lot of times when people listen to the incorporation
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: of AI into a system like logos, they get a
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: little iffy on it. And I would just sit back
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: and say, I don't actually think what you all have
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: done is that ify at all. I think it's really great.
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  Speaker 2: I think it does really do what you said it did.
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  Speaker 2: It shortcuts a lot of the research that you would
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: ordinarily have to put in just like finding resources, spending
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: time getting the right commentaries, you know that part of
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: the process.
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  Speaker 1: As as much fun as I have with.
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  Speaker 2: It, it does take a lot lot of time and
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  Speaker 2: there are moments where I just need the information more quickly.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: And so where you guys have done a really great
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: job I think is putting quality resources in the hands
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: of people, giving them access to those quality resources, and
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: access not just from a speed perspective, but from a
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  Speaker 2: what question should I ask? And how can I access
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: more of that information? I think it's great stuff and
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: would just highly recommend that listeners go to logus dot
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  Speaker 2: com backslash or forward slash thinking Christian. We'll put that
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: in the show notes with the time you know the
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: time to release on it, so if you miss that deadline,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: don't go to the website and expect to get the
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: free copy. But we'll have that in the listener notes
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  Speaker 2: so you'll know where to go exactly. And this KEW
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  Speaker 2: guard code obviously up on the screen. You can just
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: click on it and you know, snap with your camera
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  Speaker 2: and get it taken care of.
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  Speaker 1: But I just encourage you to go try it. It's
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: been great. I've been working with the one you gave me, Scott,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: and it's awesome. So, I mean, I'm a fan and
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: just to.
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  Speaker 3: Get everybody excited, I was in a meeting last week
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: and there's some enhancements coming to Study Assistant that are shocking.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's absolutely I actually had somebody tell me
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: last week I was at a conference that Scott if
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: the only thing Logos did with Study Assistant, that's it,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: Like I clicked, that's the only thing to open up.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: It's my favorite thing right now for solid biblical studies.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: But what's coming unbelievable. So this is again one of
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: the advantages of subscription is just constant updates and you
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: get them instantly. It's just part of the subscription, right,
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  Speaker 3: so be prepared. I think mid September. Amazing new update
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  Speaker 3: coming to Study Assistant.
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  Speaker 2: Nice well, Scott, thanks for sharing it with us, Thanks
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: for being here, and we'll close it out with this.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, get your free copy of August dot Com
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• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: this again, Scott, thanks for being here, Thanks every prepared
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: for listening, and we'll catch on then next episode of
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Thinking Christian.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Take care