Latest / Wired To Hunt Podcast / Ep. 792: Foundations - How a Little Effort Can Make You a Much Better Bow Shot
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
- 0:05Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,
- 0:09Speaker 1: creating proven versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind.
- 0:14Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host
- 0:19Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
- 0:20Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundation's podcast,
- 0:23Speaker 2: which is brought to you by first Light. I'm your host,
- 0:25Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and today I'm going to talk about how
- 0:27Speaker 2: to become a better bow shot in the field, not
- 0:32Speaker 2: just that home on the rain. Just a quick heads
- 0:42Speaker 2: up here, you can check out whitetail Guru Andy May
- 0:46Speaker 2: and I catching smallmouth and Largemouth at the meat eater
- 0:49Speaker 2: dot com. If you head on over there and look
- 0:51Speaker 2: at the tab with yours truly on it, you can
- 0:54Speaker 2: also check out to start us something New that features
- 0:57Speaker 2: your favorite white tailed guru and Mark Kenyon. We have
- 1:01Speaker 2: a new project dropping this week. It's kind of a
- 1:04Speaker 2: fun and entertaining thing called Whitetail Edu, which will be
- 1:08Speaker 2: housed on the meat eat Clips YouTube channel. Mark and
- 1:12Speaker 2: I are going to be breaking down some concepts in
- 1:14Speaker 2: whitetail hunting and addressing a lot of the questions we
- 1:16Speaker 2: get asked by whitetail hunters every year if you're looking
- 1:19Speaker 2: for some new whitetail content, that's a good place to go.
- 1:22Speaker 2: That's also enough sales pitches for you. You got to
- 1:26Speaker 2: talk about this episode a little bit. In a past life,
- 1:29Speaker 2: I put together a lot of bows and tune them.
- 1:33Speaker 2: It kind of got to the point where I hated it,
- 1:35Speaker 2: mostly because it's, you know, it's a tedious process, and
- 1:39Speaker 2: it reminded me of how I'd shoot a bow for
- 1:41Speaker 2: a week on a hunt somewhere and then most likely
- 1:43Speaker 2: have to shoot a different model the next week. Now
- 1:46Speaker 2: I miss my old job of being just a magazine
- 1:49Speaker 2: writer a lot, but not that part. It's a first
- 1:52Speaker 2: world problem, I know. But I was reminded of this
- 1:55Speaker 2: whole situation recently while putting together a new bow and
- 1:57Speaker 2: starting the process of shooting, and it led me to
- 2:00Speaker 2: this show, where I'm going to talk about what you
- 2:02Speaker 2: can do now to be far more deadly shot in
- 2:05Speaker 2: the woods this fall. One of the things that bothers
- 2:13Speaker 2: me so much about influencer culture, which I guess is
- 2:17Speaker 2: pretty ironic since influencer is literally in my job title,
- 2:20Speaker 2: and it makes me a little ashamed as a human anyway,
- 2:25Speaker 2: what bothers me is the weird desire people have to
- 2:28Speaker 2: post something from their workouts. Now, if someone goes and
- 2:32Speaker 2: runs one hundred miles Mountain marathon and they post about it,
- 2:36Speaker 2: that doesn't really bother me at all. I love that, honestly.
- 2:40Speaker 2: I think you should be proud of that moment and
- 2:42Speaker 2: are totally justified in sharing that with the world. It's
- 2:46Speaker 2: kind of like how it doesn't bother me at all
- 2:48Speaker 2: when someone shoots a big buck and creates a social
- 2:50Speaker 2: media post around it. I know some people disagree with that,
- 2:54Speaker 2: but generally that's a big accomplishment and I'm totally okay
- 2:58Speaker 2: with people being proud of it. But it also bothers
- 3:01Speaker 2: me when people post mundane stuff all the time. That
- 3:05Speaker 2: just represents the tiny little pieces that eventually coalesce into
- 3:09Speaker 2: a big accomplishment. You know, take gym culture for example. Now,
- 3:13Speaker 2: and keep in mind, these are arbitrary rules based around
- 3:16Speaker 2: what bothers me as a person, so the value is
- 3:19Speaker 2: almost non existent to anyone but me. If you go
- 3:23Speaker 2: out and put up your personal best bench press, that's great.
- 3:27Speaker 2: Maybe it's the first time you put, you know, two
- 3:29Speaker 2: forty five pound plates on each side and did a
- 3:31Speaker 2: few reps. I feel like I can understand posting something
- 3:35Speaker 2: about that, even if it's not really my jam. It's
- 3:38Speaker 2: when every set gets a post, and every little thing
- 3:41Speaker 2: building up to the big stuff just has to be
- 3:44Speaker 2: put out there that just starts to bother me. I
- 3:46Speaker 2: don't know why. Maybe I'm just getting old, or I'm
- 3:49Speaker 2: just over the totally disingenuous nature of social media. The
- 3:53Speaker 2: crazy thing about this stuff is that while it's the
- 3:55Speaker 2: big accomplishments we want to show off, it is the
- 3:59Speaker 2: daily Monday and stuff that builds a foundation upon which
- 4:02Speaker 2: those accomplishments sit. You don't bench two hundred and twenty
- 4:07Speaker 2: five pounds without benching less for a long time. You
- 4:10Speaker 2: don't run one hundred miles at elevation without a hell
- 4:14Speaker 2: of a lot of smaller training runs. That's part of
- 4:17Speaker 2: the journey, and without it, the big, newsworthy stuff is
- 4:20Speaker 2: just not going to happen. This exists in bowhunting too,
- 4:24Speaker 2: and where it really becomes noticeable is in shooting. Some
- 4:28Speaker 2: people have loads of confidence that when a deer walks in,
- 4:32Speaker 2: that deer is going to die if they so choose.
- 4:36Speaker 2: That's great, but a lot of folks don't ever quite
- 4:38Speaker 2: get there, or they get there, but it's not a
- 4:41Speaker 2: true situation, meaning that while they believe that it's all over,
- 4:45Speaker 2: it often goes way wrong. The missing piece for a
- 4:49Speaker 2: lot of folks, well at least one very important missing piece,
- 4:53Speaker 2: is just not enough practice. Now. I know that's a letdown,
- 4:56Speaker 2: but it's also true. The very first thing you have
- 5:00Speaker 2: I have to look at if you want to be
- 5:01Speaker 2: a better dear killer this year is the frequency in
- 5:04Speaker 2: which you practice. Now. I struggle with this a lot.
- 5:08Speaker 2: I used to shoot just about every day all summer long.
- 5:10Speaker 2: I loved shooting, but over time I lost that love.
- 5:15Speaker 2: It became a job for me. And it also coincided
- 5:17Speaker 2: with a period in my life where I went from
- 5:19Speaker 2: being absolutely flushed with free time to wrangling a couple
- 5:23Speaker 2: of babies and realizing that my schedule wasn't mostly wide
- 5:26Speaker 2: open anymore. So I went the other way, and I
- 5:29Speaker 2: didn't shoot nearly enough. I had some good seasons, and
- 5:33Speaker 2: I had some seasons where I shot like I was
- 5:35Speaker 2: holding my bow upside down. Not shooting enough is a bad,
- 5:39Speaker 2: bad deal. It's very common these days. Just like with
- 5:44Speaker 2: most stuff in life. I try to find the right
- 5:46Speaker 2: balance between being stupid, obsessed and totally dismissive. That's what
- 5:51Speaker 2: you might need to do too. You might be one
- 5:54Speaker 2: of those folks who loves to shoot, so four or
- 5:56Speaker 2: five days a week is easy to come by. Most
- 5:58Speaker 2: people aren't there, though, and there are a hell of
- 6:00Speaker 2: a lot of reasons for it to that. I'd say
- 6:03Speaker 2: you got to just figure out how to ramp it
- 6:05Speaker 2: up some. You don't have to go from a couple
- 6:08Speaker 2: of saturdays at the range before the season to every
- 6:12Speaker 2: day all summer long. You probably won't be able to anyway.
- 6:15Speaker 2: That's kind of like the people who on January one
- 6:18Speaker 2: say I'm going to start running and I'm going to
- 6:20Speaker 2: start lifting weights and I'm going to do the Keto
- 6:22Speaker 2: diet and i won't even think about a carb for
- 6:24Speaker 2: the whole year. A lifestyle switch like that, it's too big,
- 6:28Speaker 2: it's too unsustainable. It is a recipe for certain failure.
- 6:33Speaker 2: And while off season target practice might seem like it's
- 6:37Speaker 2: not as important as getting into shape, it's something that
- 6:40Speaker 2: we can do to make our season go much better.
- 6:43Speaker 2: And it's an obligation we have to the animals we
- 6:46Speaker 2: love and that we weirdly love to kill. So how
- 6:51Speaker 2: do you increase the frequency of your shooting sessions. First off,
- 6:55Speaker 2: you have to acknowledge that you can't make up for
- 6:57Speaker 2: this by shooting a lot at one time. Two hundred
- 7:00Speaker 2: arrows when you're out of practice is a great way
- 7:02Speaker 2: to take like one hundred and eighty seven shitty shots.
- 7:05Speaker 2: It's much better to shoot two dozen or three, you know,
- 7:09Speaker 2: a couple times a week. I look at it like
- 7:12Speaker 2: this is the lowest hanging fruit. Just increase your frequency
- 7:16Speaker 2: by a day or two each week. Now you're talking
- 7:20Speaker 2: maybe an extra fifteen to thirty minutes in the entire week.
- 7:24Speaker 2: That will add up to something important by September. And
- 7:27Speaker 2: I also think it's important to hold yourself to a
- 7:29Speaker 2: schedule and allow yourself to shoot extra if the mood strikes.
- 7:34Speaker 2: I know this sounds crazy to a lot of people,
- 7:36Speaker 2: but I set a yearly goal on how many miles
- 7:38Speaker 2: I'm going to run. It keeps me accountable to myself,
- 7:41Speaker 2: and it also allows me the opportunity to go way
- 7:44Speaker 2: past that goal. If I want, I can put in more,
- 7:47Speaker 2: and the more I run, the more I want to
- 7:50Speaker 2: put in more. Shooting can be the same way, mostly
- 7:53Speaker 2: because it can go from something we feel we have
- 7:55Speaker 2: to do to something we actually want to do. That
- 7:59Speaker 2: takes time for a lot of people, but time is
- 8:02Speaker 2: what you have right now. The next thing you should
- 8:05Speaker 2: think about is the environment in which you shoot. I
- 8:08Speaker 2: used to shoot with one of my neighbors and a
- 8:10Speaker 2: few of his buddies. It was a disaster, at least
- 8:14Speaker 2: from a value perspective. There's a lot of distractions when
- 8:17Speaker 2: shooting with someone else, and it's just kind of unnecessary.
- 8:21Speaker 2: You're going to be in the stand by yourself most likely,
- 8:25Speaker 2: and the entire process of figuring out when to draw,
- 8:28Speaker 2: where to aim, and how to execute your shot it's
- 8:31Speaker 2: all on you. Your buddies probably won't be there. The
- 8:35Speaker 2: headspace you need to be in then, is when you
- 8:37Speaker 2: need to be in a lot during your practice sessions.
- 8:40Speaker 2: The more distractions you have while target shooting, the easier
- 8:44Speaker 2: it is to excuse away poor shots, the easier it
- 8:48Speaker 2: is to not just take it as seriously as you should.
- 8:51Speaker 2: It's also almost always going to force you to take
- 8:54Speaker 2: shots you don't want to take, like shots that are
- 8:57Speaker 2: too far at least if you shoot with a bunch
- 8:59Speaker 2: of people. Think of it this way. If you want
- 9:03Speaker 2: to develop into a really good accurate shot. You're probably
- 9:08Speaker 2: going to have to do that just on your own.
- 9:10Speaker 2: Shooting with buddies can be great, but it's an activity
- 9:13Speaker 2: that is different from trying to level up one arrow
- 9:15Speaker 2: at a time with your full concentration on that simple task. Now,
- 9:20Speaker 2: I do think shooting in a variety of conditions and
- 9:23Speaker 2: challenging yourself with longer shots is a good thing. Back
- 9:26Speaker 2: in my long distance shooting days, I spent a lot
- 9:29Speaker 2: of time flinging arrows in a variety of situations, and
- 9:32Speaker 2: that taught me a lot. You might think you know
- 9:35Speaker 2: what it's like to shoot an antelope or a mule
- 9:38Speaker 2: deer in real prairie wind, but you probably don't. The
- 9:41Speaker 2: next time it's super frontal outside and the wind is
- 9:44Speaker 2: blowing thirty or more miles per hour, head out and
- 9:47Speaker 2: take some shots. If near paralyzing anxiety doesn't settle in
- 9:52Speaker 2: when you're trying to get the right pin to the
- 9:55Speaker 2: right spot, you're cooler than I am under pressure. Low
- 10:09Speaker 2: light conditions mostly do the same thing. If you don't
- 10:13Speaker 2: have the best eye sight, or have some type of
- 10:15Speaker 2: issue with peap rotation or whatever, low light practice will
- 10:19Speaker 2: highlight those issues. Almost no one I know intentionally practice
- 10:24Speaker 2: is in low light, but everyone I know will shoot
- 10:27Speaker 2: at a big buck when it's one minute before closing time.
- 10:30Speaker 2: Think about that. If there is one confounding condition you
- 10:34Speaker 2: are guaranteed to face every single time you white tail hunt,
- 10:39Speaker 2: it's low light. Whether that's at the front end of
- 10:42Speaker 2: the day or the back, you're gonna deal with it.
- 10:45Speaker 2: Yet we don't condition ourselves to shoot in that reality,
- 10:48Speaker 2: and that costs plenty of us deer every year, And
- 10:51Speaker 2: it also costs plenty of deer plenty of suffering due
- 10:55Speaker 2: to poor hits. Maybe you shoot enough to feel really confident,
- 10:59Speaker 2: but don't shoot under adverse conditions. Now you know what
- 11:03Speaker 2: to add into your routine to make your weekly sessions
- 11:06Speaker 2: a little more valuable. The next obvious step here would
- 11:11Speaker 2: be to tell you to shoot from a tree stand,
- 11:13Speaker 2: but that's not something a lot of folks are going
- 11:15Speaker 2: to do. That doesn't bother me that much because the
- 11:18Speaker 2: folks who have that as a real option probably do it,
- 11:21Speaker 2: and most of us who don't just don't. You can
- 11:25Speaker 2: get good enough without it, although it's a really good
- 11:27Speaker 2: idea if you have a way to do it. I
- 11:29Speaker 2: think saddles are a different story. I think if you're
- 11:32Speaker 2: going to dive into the saddle world, you should practice
- 11:35Speaker 2: from it. This can happen two feet off the ground.
- 11:38Speaker 2: It really doesn't matter. What matters is hanging off a
- 11:42Speaker 2: tree in a cameo diaper while trying to properly aim
- 11:44Speaker 2: a bow and not sacrifice anything in your form or
- 11:48Speaker 2: your concentration. This is easier said than done. And again,
- 11:52Speaker 2: if you go to saddle route, you're admitting that your
- 11:55Speaker 2: plan is to well shoot something from a saddle. Not
- 12:00Speaker 2: practicing for that can lead to some panic in the moment.
- 12:03Speaker 2: And do you know what panic does, then it saves
- 12:07Speaker 2: deer lives. A slight blip of panic at the moment
- 12:11Speaker 2: of truth immediately reduces your odds of making a good shot.
- 12:15Speaker 2: I'll give you an example of this from my last
- 12:17Speaker 2: season that is terribly embarrassing but about to be a
- 12:20Speaker 2: hell of a lot worse when the show gets released.
- 12:23Speaker 2: When I was hunting with Ranella and Oklahoma last year,
- 12:26Speaker 2: our goal was to get any public land deer, oh buck, whatever.
- 12:30Speaker 2: When I had a spike buck nomming on some per
- 12:32Speaker 2: Simmons the first morning we hunt, I said to myself,
- 12:35Speaker 2: that is exactly what any deer looks like and I
- 12:38Speaker 2: got ready to shoot him. I wasn't really nervous. It
- 12:41Speaker 2: was a tiny little deer that was totally relaxed, and
- 12:44Speaker 2: by the time I saw him he was already in range.
- 12:47Speaker 2: I figured I'd laser him right through the lungs and
- 12:49Speaker 2: we'd have a show. Except when I murped him to
- 12:52Speaker 2: get him to stop, he jumped about six feet forward
- 12:55Speaker 2: on the trail. Now enter that tiny little dose of panic,
- 13:00Speaker 2: and while I readjusted to take the shot, I didn't
- 13:05Speaker 2: notice a little vine hanging off a tree about halfway
- 13:08Speaker 2: between the buck and eye, and that resulted in me
- 13:11Speaker 2: hitting it with my arrow and a total whiff. If
- 13:14Speaker 2: it wasn't for the wind and that deer's lack of
- 13:16Speaker 2: experience with hunters, I would have never got a second shot,
- 13:19Speaker 2: which went much better than the first. But the point
- 13:23Speaker 2: is I shouldn't have needed the second shot at all.
- 13:28Speaker 2: That story, besides reminding you guys that I'm a dumbass
- 13:32Speaker 2: who can miss a thirteen inch or at twenty yards,
- 13:34Speaker 2: is that there are so many things that can happen
- 13:37Speaker 2: during an encounter that will tip the odds in the
- 13:39Speaker 2: deer's favor. You can't do anything about most of them.
- 13:44Speaker 2: They're just part of the tapestry that makes bow hunting Stow,
- 13:47Speaker 2: rewarding and challenging. Now, this is a long story, long
- 13:50Speaker 2: way of saying that if you can try to build
- 13:52Speaker 2: some confidence around the shots you'll know you'll take, you'll
- 13:55Speaker 2: be much better off. That's what you can do to
- 13:58Speaker 2: make this easier. It's also a way to say some
- 14:01Speaker 2: effort in the right direction is always better than no effort. Now,
- 14:05Speaker 2: I know that seems like foreheads slapping dumb, but hear
- 14:09Speaker 2: me out on this last point. I don't know how
- 14:12Speaker 2: many bowl hunters I've talked to who tell me they
- 14:14Speaker 2: don't need to shoot long distance when their white tail
- 14:17Speaker 2: shots are twenty yards and in. That's great if all
- 14:21Speaker 2: of your white tail shots are actually twenty yards and in,
- 14:24Speaker 2: But I'm guessing most of the hunters who say that
- 14:26Speaker 2: also have thirty and probably forty yard pins. What happens
- 14:29Speaker 2: if you're out there and the deer don't do what
- 14:31Speaker 2: they're supposed to and worse, I don't know, one of
- 14:34Speaker 2: the deer is one hundred and fifty five inch ten pointer,
- 14:37Speaker 2: and instead of walking along the crossing that is twenty
- 14:40Speaker 2: yards from your stand, he pulls a crazy eye and
- 14:43Speaker 2: then skirts you passing by a thirty three yards Do
- 14:47Speaker 2: you stay a twenty yard shooter then and stick to
- 14:50Speaker 2: your guns? Sure, sure you do, But the other guys won't.
- 14:54Speaker 2: They'll go, hey, I have pins to cover this distance,
- 14:58Speaker 2: and so this should be no problem for a fellow
- 15:00Speaker 2: like me, all while losing their ever loving shit over
- 15:03Speaker 2: the biggest buck they've ever had in range? How well
- 15:06Speaker 2: do you think that one goes shot? Distant limitations are
- 15:11Speaker 2: a tough one. We go our own way on those,
- 15:14Speaker 2: and it's up to us to hold ourselves accountable. It's
- 15:17Speaker 2: also up to us to be reasonable about the reality
- 15:21Speaker 2: in which we live. Very few bow hunters, at least
- 15:25Speaker 2: modern compound shooters, would argue that thirty or thirty five
- 15:28Speaker 2: yards is too far of a shot in the right conditions,
- 15:31Speaker 2: even if we might all agree on some farther range
- 15:34Speaker 2: just being too much. If you know there's a chance
- 15:37Speaker 2: you might be tempted, you better prepare for that. Sometimes
- 15:41Speaker 2: I think people make an excuse to not practice by
- 15:44Speaker 2: saying they are close shooters. Only some might be telling
- 15:47Speaker 2: the truth, but a lot of them are probably just
- 15:49Speaker 2: giving themselves an out. A much better bet is to
- 15:52Speaker 2: practice whatever you consider far distances at least some of
- 15:56Speaker 2: the time throughout the off season. For me, when I
- 16:01Speaker 2: get past the break in stage of my bow and
- 16:03Speaker 2: my muscles, I almost never shoot twenty yard practice shots
- 16:07Speaker 2: at some point, at least at that range, that type
- 16:09Speaker 2: of shot is pretty easy on a target. I'd rather shoot,
- 16:13Speaker 2: say in the thirty to fifty or sixty yard range
- 16:16Speaker 2: for most of my practice, even though I have a
- 16:19Speaker 2: pretty hard limit of forty yards and under these days
- 16:22Speaker 2: when I'm white tail hunting, and to be honest, I
- 16:25Speaker 2: have a strong preference for the fifteen to twenty yard
- 16:28Speaker 2: shots now. Stretching out the practice that way has the
- 16:32Speaker 2: obvious benefit of making the close shots easy or easier,
- 16:36Speaker 2: but it's also going to let you understand what you
- 16:39Speaker 2: need to do to make a series of really good
- 16:41Speaker 2: shots at forty yards. If you can do that, you
- 16:45Speaker 2: know your form is on point and your execution is repeatable,
- 16:49Speaker 2: and your confidence is going to go in the right direction.
- 16:53Speaker 2: That's the great intangible to this stuff, and it matters
- 16:57Speaker 2: so much. There's a quote in an old Gene Hill
- 17:00Speaker 2: essay about a wingshooter he knew who had a reputation
- 17:04Speaker 2: for missing very few ducks in. In exchange with the fella,
- 17:08Speaker 2: Hill made a comment about how the guy seemed to
- 17:10Speaker 2: never miss a teal, and that guy's response was that
- 17:14Speaker 2: if he can shoot mallards in the head all day long,
- 17:17Speaker 2: why would it be hard for him to hit a
- 17:19Speaker 2: whole duck. Now, if you've ever shot at a teal
- 17:22Speaker 2: strafing along in a strong headwind, you know why that's
- 17:26Speaker 2: so bananas. The point stands, though, if you can do
- 17:29Speaker 2: everything right on a non breathing target at forty or
- 17:32Speaker 2: fifty yards consistently, you'll have the confidence to do enough
- 17:35Speaker 2: on a breathing target at half those distances to ensure
- 17:39Speaker 2: a short blood trail and the chance to post a
- 17:41Speaker 2: grippengrin with your latest many tined accomplishment. This goes far
- 17:46Speaker 2: beyond a procedural task that you can repeat, though, and
- 17:50Speaker 2: delves into the realm of believing in yourself. Even when
- 17:53Speaker 2: the buck doesn't take the exact trail you expect, or
- 17:56Speaker 2: he comes in when the light is fading fast, or
- 17:59Speaker 2: when the wind is threating to turn you into a
- 18:01Speaker 2: Camo tumbleweed, figure out what you need to do to
- 18:04Speaker 2: practice a little bit more and in a more beneficial way.
- 18:09Speaker 2: And then do that then come back next week because
- 18:12Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about how we all kind of
- 18:15Speaker 2: have some white tail hunting privileges, whether it's a home
- 18:18Speaker 2: field advantage or something else, but it's easy to look
- 18:21Speaker 2: past those and kind of have a bad attitude about
- 18:24Speaker 2: our personal hunting situation. In this next podcast, I'm going
- 18:27Speaker 2: to talk about how that's just a bad idea and
- 18:29Speaker 2: how we should look for the things that can work
- 18:32Speaker 2: for us and then work on those things that have
- 18:36Speaker 2: a better hunt. That's it for this week. I'm Tony Peterson.
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