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Inside The Birds Week 17 Pregame Show With Greg Cosell: Philadelphia Eagles V. Buffalo Bills · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome to the Inside the Birds pregame show
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  Speaker 1: with Greg co Sell. I'm Jeff Mosher alongside Adam Kaplanan
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  Speaker 1: of course we have Greg co cell. He's with us
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  Speaker 1: to break down the tape of both the Eagles and
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  Speaker 1: their opponent. Here in week seventeen, Sunday, four pm kickoff,
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles are in Orchard Park, New York to play
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  Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills and it is a big game for
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  Speaker 1: both teams, right, playoff implications, seating implications. The Bills are
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  Speaker 1: a game behind.
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  Speaker 2: The Patriots going into the final two weeks in the
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  Speaker 2: AFC East, and I believe Adam, the Bills have won
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  Speaker 2: what six straight AFC East titles, so this would be
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  Speaker 2: sort of a changing of the tide if they did
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  Speaker 2: not pull this one out this year.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and there there, we'll get into the entry port.
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  Speaker 3: They'll be it's you know, they're a little bit beat
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  Speaker 3: up by the way. The game is at for twenty
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  Speaker 3: five Eastern for twenty five correct, and the weather forecast
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  Speaker 3: I hate to tell you folks now we know it
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  Speaker 3: could change, but rain all game, not snow.
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  Speaker 2: But rain rain wow in Buffalo in late December.
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  Speaker 4: Crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the Bills we just talked about the Eagles. They
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  Speaker 1: have already clinched.
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  Speaker 2: The NFC East and they are now the first team
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  Speaker 2: to clinch the NFC East in back to back years
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  Speaker 2: since they did.
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  Speaker 1: It in three and four. It's a long time.
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  Speaker 2: The streak is over, However, there is still as they
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  Speaker 2: are sitting in the three pole right now in the
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  Speaker 2: NFC playoffs, there's still a chance that they can get
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  Speaker 2: that number two seed as well. And they too have
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  Speaker 2: some injuries that are going to be significant for this game,
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  Speaker 2: and they'll have to battle the weather just like the
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  Speaker 2: Bills will, and so it should make for a pretty
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  Speaker 2: interesting Week seventeen game. Adam, your initial thoughts, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this is going to be the first time because the
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  Speaker 2: Eules obviously are coming off of wins against the Raiders
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  Speaker 2: and the wins against Commanders. He goes back to playing
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  Speaker 2: a real respectable opponent, an eleven to five Bills team
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  Speaker 2: that is very, very seasoned, and obviously they have I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 2: eleven to four Bills team that has Josh Allen, the
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  Speaker 2: reigning league MVP.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking to go into Buffalo in this summer
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  Speaker 3: is really hard to win, whether the weather's bad or not.
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  Speaker 3: It's just hard that they have a great home field advantage.
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  Speaker 3: This is their last year at their stadium until they
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  Speaker 3: move it to their new One game is on turf,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, you got to watch that. But overall, look,
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  Speaker 3: this is a test if people want to know are
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  Speaker 3: the Eagles for real? After those two layup teams. You
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  Speaker 3: could say whatever you want to say about them. I
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  Speaker 3: know a lot of people are criticizing the Eagles wins.
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  Speaker 3: Wins are a win, but we're we're gonna get a
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  Speaker 3: better idea here. Yeah, it's obvious. I mean, it's this
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  Speaker 3: is a good football team, Buffalo. You could say what
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  Speaker 3: you want about the roster, but it's a good football
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  Speaker 3: team that's very well coached. And I'm interested to see
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  Speaker 3: how this is going to work with the Eagles here
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  Speaker 3: and how they handle this environment. But you know what,
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  Speaker 3: Nick Sirianni, unbelievable road record. Unbelievable road record since twenty
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  Speaker 3: one since he's come in here, best road record in
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  Speaker 3: the National Football League. So let's see what happened, Craig.
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  Speaker 2: When people think about the Bills, they obviously the first
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  Speaker 2: thing I think about is Josh Allen, and he's the
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  Speaker 2: league reigning league MVP, and at any point a Bills
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  Speaker 2: game can be Josh Allen running for three touchdowns, throwing
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  Speaker 2: three touchdowns, running.
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  Speaker 1: For two more.
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  Speaker 2: But if you know, you go through the schedule and
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  Speaker 2: there are a couple of games that really stand out.
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  Speaker 2: They lost to the Dolphins thirty to thirteen. They lost
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  Speaker 2: to the Falcons twenty four to fourteen, and their losses
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  Speaker 2: they just have not scored a lot of points. Sometimes
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  Speaker 2: you can lose a game forty six to forty one,
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  Speaker 2: but it seems that in their four losses they've really
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  Speaker 2: struggled to score. What have you seen from them on
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  Speaker 2: tape that has been inconsistent about them?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think in some ways as good as Josh
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  Speaker 4: Allen is. And it's funny, I remember, four or five
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  Speaker 4: years ago, before Josh Allen was viewed as Josh Allen,
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  Speaker 4: Peter King, who used to do that column every week?
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  Speaker 4: What was it? I forgot what it was called? Monday
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  Speaker 4: Morning Quarterback, right, Yeah. He asked me four or five
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  Speaker 4: years ago he would always take four weeks off during
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  Speaker 4: the summer, and he asked me if I would be
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  Speaker 4: one of his guest writers, and I said sure, And
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  Speaker 4: I spent a lot of time on it because I
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  Speaker 4: wanted it to be good. I know a lot of
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  Speaker 4: people read that and I said that Josh Allen was
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  Speaker 4: the most physically gifted quarterback in the league. And this
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  Speaker 4: was four or five years ago, and I said, that
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  Speaker 4: doesn't mean at this moment in time he's necessarily the best,
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  Speaker 4: but he's the most physically gifted. And I still think
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  Speaker 4: he is in terms of pure physical traits. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know if you've ever had a chance to stand next
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  Speaker 4: to him. I have. He's a huge human being and
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  Speaker 4: obviously he's got every trait you want. But I think
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  Speaker 4: overall offensively because they're lacking at the wide receiver position.
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  Speaker 4: You know, there are times where their past game just
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  Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily have the consistency and sustainability that you'd like
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  Speaker 4: it to have. They don't really win on the outside
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  Speaker 4: one on one. I mean every once in a while. Look,
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  Speaker 4: no matter who your receivers are, every once in a
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  Speaker 4: while that's going to happen. But that can't be really
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  Speaker 4: a foundation of how they play. They can't line up
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  Speaker 4: and say, okay, we're going to run isolation individual routes
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  Speaker 4: on the outside, and our guys are going to win.
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  Speaker 4: So they're very scheme based, and you know that's a
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  Speaker 4: good thing at times, but it's sometimes that doesn't work.
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  Speaker 4: The reality is they're a running football team. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: we'll get into this more, but James Cook has far
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  Speaker 4: and away the most first down rushes of any back
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  Speaker 4: in the NFL. He's got the most first down yards
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  Speaker 4: of any back in the NFL.
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  Speaker 5: They are a running football team. Greg, I want to
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  Speaker 5: ask you about James Cook. James Cook when he came
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  Speaker 5: in and there were questions, Okay, what is he? Because
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  Speaker 5: I remember talking to Bills about this. He's a running back,
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  Speaker 5: thank you over.
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  Speaker 3: He's not a tick returner, but he's much smaller physically
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  Speaker 3: than his brother Dalvin. And the question was, okay, is
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  Speaker 3: he a change up?
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  Speaker 4: Is he a lead back?
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  Speaker 3: And remember they made a decision after Devin signature. They
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  Speaker 3: kind of knew they liked signature, they knew he was
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  Speaker 3: a backup and you'd move on to the Texas and
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  Speaker 3: the Giants, and there were questions that around the league
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  Speaker 3: what would he be? What were your thoughts about Cook
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  Speaker 3: coming in?
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  Speaker 4: Well? I loved Cook coming out, but to be totally honest,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't think that he could be a so called
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  Speaker 4: foundation back yeah, who could carry this many times. In fact,
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  Speaker 4: they loved me in Buffalo because leading up to that draft,
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  Speaker 4: because I do some stuff with Buffalo for the draft,
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  Speaker 4: you know, on their show One Bill's Live. And I
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  Speaker 4: said to them maybe when I did the show, oh
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  Speaker 4: maybe three four days before the draft, I said that
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  Speaker 4: I think James Cook would be an ideal back for
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  Speaker 4: your offense, because at that time they were a passing offense,
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  Speaker 4: you know, it was really Josh Allen. They were throwing
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  Speaker 4: the ball. And I said, I thought he'd be an
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  Speaker 4: ideal back because he was a very good receiver in college.
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  Speaker 4: I remember him lining up wide at Georgia, you know,
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  Speaker 4: in beating Alabama, you know, running vertical routes against Alabama,
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  Speaker 4: and I thought, with his running ability, which was outstanding
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  Speaker 4: by the way, and his receiving ability, that he'd be
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  Speaker 4: a really good you know, I don't want to say
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  Speaker 4: Jamiir Gibbs, you know, but that style play. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: Gibbs came after him, but you know, that style back.
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  Speaker 4: A guy who could probably carry a hundred and seventy
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  Speaker 4: hundred and eighty times and be a big factor in
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  Speaker 4: your passing game. That's the way I saw him coming
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  Speaker 4: out and obviously the last two years it's turned out
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  Speaker 4: to be more. Uh and he's turned into a true
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  Speaker 4: foundation back, given that I think he has the second
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  Speaker 4: most carries in the league. I think only one less
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  Speaker 4: carry than Jonathan Taylor. So and as I said, he's
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  Speaker 4: their first down guy for sure. Right. But I was
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  Speaker 4: really I loved his tape. I just didn't think he'd be,
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  Speaker 4: you know, a foundation back.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not alone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really been a development, even more so this
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  Speaker 1: year than I think last year, because I thought last
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  Speaker 1: year on third down they played a lot of tie
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  Speaker 1: Ty Johnson.
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  Speaker 4: Which they still by the way, Ty Johnson is still
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  Speaker 4: part of what they do.
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  Speaker 1: And then they also have the Ray Davis, right.
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  Speaker 4: You know, And I wonder they drafted Ray Davis. I
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  Speaker 4: forget what round, Adam, do you remember? I think it
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  Speaker 4: was six, It was not low.
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  Speaker 3: I know you're right, fourth, yep, fourth last year.
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  Speaker 4: No, I wondered when they drafted him, because he's another
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  Speaker 4: back that I liked coming out of college. He actual
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  Speaker 4: he spent a year or two of Temple, I believe
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  Speaker 4: he did.
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  Speaker 3: He was at three or four schools.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and he's much more of a bigger physical runner,
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  Speaker 4: and I thought that they drafted him with the idea
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  Speaker 4: that maybe they'd have a little more of a of
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  Speaker 4: a combination backfield, you know, because let's face it, Cook
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  Speaker 4: is not two hundred and twenty five pounds. But you know,
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  Speaker 4: when you have so much success, you know, and I've
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  Speaker 4: heard Troy Yiakman talk about this with running backs. He said,
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  Speaker 4: you're not thinking about four years down the road. You're
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  Speaker 4: thinking about winning the next game and the next game
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  Speaker 4: and the next game. So I mean, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 4: sure no one's thinking about ge Wells James Cook going
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  Speaker 4: to be good in three years. They're thinking about winning
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  Speaker 4: right now. So you know, that's that's just the nature
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  Speaker 4: of the NFL, you know, So who knows. But the
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  Speaker 4: fact is is Cook is is a really good back.
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  Speaker 4: You can't you can't argue that, Jeff.
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  Speaker 3: You know what's interesting for years we thought of running
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  Speaker 3: back had to be two, ten, fifteen, twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 3: you're seeing Devon h Chan with Miami, who's a smaller back, explosive.
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  Speaker 3: We know about his injury history. Karen Williams is not
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  Speaker 3: the biggest guy. There were major questions what would Karen
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  Speaker 3: Williams be at the next level, so we no longer
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  Speaker 3: put a guy in a box. Oh he's one ninety,
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  Speaker 3: he can't be a future back. Jam's Cook is broke.
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  Speaker 3: He's that mold is broken with this guy. This is
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  Speaker 3: I'm surprised. I mean, I know he's a really good back,
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  Speaker 3: but when you look at body types, man, you got
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  Speaker 3: to change your thinking. That's just the way it is.
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  Speaker 4: And as of now, it doesn't look like he's gotten
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  Speaker 4: tired of worn out this year. As of now, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: we'll see what you know, there's some games to play,
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  Speaker 4: but he does not look like he's tired of warn out.
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  Speaker 3: And they're not really sharing it very much that they
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  Speaker 3: have Davis Ray Davis is a talented back. Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 3: kind of surprised he's not got more work. Okay, it works.
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  Speaker 1: Two similar teams, both like to run, both have very
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  Speaker 1: athletic quarterbacks that can run end throw. Both are probably
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  Speaker 1: wondering had media wonder why don't they give the ball
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  Speaker 1: to some other people? But obviously Cook has had a
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  Speaker 1: great year, Saquon starting to pick up some steam lately.
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  Speaker 1: We always say, maybe tank Pigs, we should get the
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  Speaker 1: ball a little bit more. But the Eagles running game
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  Speaker 1: is coming together and two very good veteran defensive play callers,
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  Speaker 1: Vic Fangioe on one side, and obviously Sean McDermott, who
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  Speaker 1: is also the head coach for the Bills. So a
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  Speaker 1: lot stylistically between both of these teams that we can
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  Speaker 1: call similar, but the injuries are always always neutralizers, So
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  Speaker 1: let's get to them. We'll talk about the Eagles first. Adam,
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  Speaker 1: we talked about this very early in the week.
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  Speaker 2: Was very unlikely for Nikobe Dean to suffer a hamstring
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  Speaker 2: injury and then go play, especially up in Buffalo. He
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  Speaker 2: will be out, and Lane Johnson also continues to not
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  Speaker 2: practice and be out. This will be his sixth straight
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  Speaker 2: game that he's going to miss. And remember, as you
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  Speaker 2: point out, often, they didn't put him on IR so
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  Speaker 2: there was at one point of hope that he would
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  Speaker 2: make it back much sooner. What is your What do
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  Speaker 2: you make of it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I'm a little surprised because I know they
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  Speaker 3: were very optimistic to start the week. Now was that
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  Speaker 3: they know about the weather forecast, whatever the case may be.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't even practice. To Kobe Dean, we knew it
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  Speaker 3: wasn't gonna play. That was never in question. The lane
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  Speaker 3: playing was like, hey, there was some optimism. He's not
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  Speaker 3: gonna play. Fred Johnson'll start for him again. And for
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  Speaker 3: those those people say, oh, they can't win a game
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  Speaker 3: of that lane, they've won games of that lane, but
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  Speaker 3: it's harder. You'd like to have them in a game
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  Speaker 3: like this. Sure, do you know what you need for
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  Speaker 3: the long haul?
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  Speaker 1: Uh?
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  Speaker 3: And the Kobe Dean?
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  Speaker 1: Uh?
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  Speaker 3: Greg did you? And Greg did the inside of the
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  Speaker 3: tape show? So I know you guys talked about John Campbell.
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  Speaker 3: But Jahab will start again and that's where they're at now.
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  Speaker 3: I guess the positive news is when you look at
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  Speaker 3: their injury situation A J. Brown with the wisdom teeth removed.
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  Speaker 3: I know that kind of freaked people out. He's cleared.
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  Speaker 3: He's cleared. Oh, Jalen Carter will return, He'll be in
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  Speaker 3: the lineup. That's huge. I need to mention that very big. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's big. Oh this is now, this is not big,
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  Speaker 3: but it's noteworthy. We talked last week. Don't just assume
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  Speaker 3: that cam Latto will be playing because stingers, you don't
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  Speaker 3: know when you're gonna have a reoccurrence, when you have
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  Speaker 3: a problem with it, when you can lose the feeling
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  Speaker 3: as he was cleared for the game unless something happens
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  Speaker 3: in pregame. He's playing so that they're going to get
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  Speaker 3: him back. And you know, in a game like this
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  Speaker 3: most likely be heavy twelve personnel, maybe some thirteen and
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  Speaker 3: that's it. So that would be it for the Eagles.
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  Speaker 3: So it's know to Kobe, Dean and no Lane, Johnson.
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  Speaker 2: Well poor landon Dickerson, you know he's he I know
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  Speaker 2: he was a full practice participant on Friday, but he's
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  Speaker 2: been battling an illness. This guy has battled something, whether
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  Speaker 2: it's an ailment or an illness or an.
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  Speaker 1: Injury, all year long.
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  Speaker 2: But he will play, expected to play against the Bills,
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  Speaker 2: and that's that's the main thing. You know, obviously known
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  Speaker 2: n Kobe, no Lane, I think not having na Kobe
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  Speaker 2: against a team like this. And what's interesting, Greg is
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  Speaker 2: I wonder how he would have been deployed same old,
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  Speaker 2: same old do most teams?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think VIC would even have spied Josh Allen.
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  Speaker 4: Question he's in the run game because Aaron Cromer is
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  Speaker 4: one of the best O line coaches in the league,
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  Speaker 4: and the Bills have a very multiple run game and
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  Speaker 4: they do a lot with motion. They're the highest percentage
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  Speaker 4: motion I should say pre snap movement. They're the highest
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  Speaker 4: percentage pre snap movement team in the NFL. And most
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  Speaker 4: people think about that in terms of the pass game,
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  Speaker 4: but it's actually a bigger deal in the run game.
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  Speaker 4: So I think that's where Nacobe Dean being out could
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  Speaker 4: be a bigger deal because there's so much recognition that
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  Speaker 4: goes into that and that's where campb I'm not saying
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  Speaker 4: Campbell will or won't, we don't know the answer to that,
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  Speaker 4: but he's still a rookie. And that's one reason that
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  Speaker 4: when Dean got healthy, he in a central place Campbell
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  Speaker 4: because Nakobe Dean is really good at understanding the game
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  Speaker 4: and seeing what needs to be seen. And so I
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  Speaker 4: think you'll see that. It's not a matter of going
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  Speaker 4: after Campbell, you know, but it's the fact that they
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  Speaker 4: do so much movement before the snap of the ball,
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  Speaker 4: with a very multiple run game, a lot of different
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  Speaker 4: concepts that it does put a lot of mental pressure
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  Speaker 4: on second level players.
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  Speaker 2: Is it similar to the Rams? Is it like facing
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  Speaker 2: the Rams offense with the it's actually.
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  Speaker 4: More diverse in terms of the run game, not a
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  Speaker 4: super diverse because their backs are not super diverse. With
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  Speaker 4: their skill sets, good Point can run anything.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 4: So it's it's a very diverse run game. And like
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  Speaker 4: I said, Aaron Cromer, this is not his first rodeo either,
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  Speaker 4: So I mean he's he's about a twenty five year
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  Speaker 4: NFL coach and he's a really good online coach.
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  Speaker 1: Got it all right? So for the Bills, most of
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  Speaker 1: their offense, most of their injuries are going to affect
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  Speaker 1: their defense. But the big name was Josh Allen, who
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: was dealing with a foot injury from their game against
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  Speaker 1: Cleveland last week. He was limited earlier in the week.
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  Speaker 1: He did practice in full. He's good to go, He's
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  Speaker 1: gonna play.
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  Speaker 4: Question is I saw they had some guys listed. His
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  Speaker 4: questionabout Adam kincaid that the Knox, what do you know,
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  Speaker 4: what the deal is?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're there. It's sort of like a game
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  Speaker 3: day thing. Got to get through pregame warm ups. And
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: these guys have had injuries. Knox has had a big
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  Speaker 3: injury situation in his career as you know, and then
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: Kad has had this knee issue off and on, and.
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  Speaker 4: You guys can't go. They're going to be calling you
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: to play tight end.
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: Well, it's funny because the kid that they're going to
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: play like he would back up, who's a y tenn
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: and Jackson Hawes, I it's it's this is this like,
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: it's funny. I had not known about him til I
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: asked my buddy who had his Area'll tell.
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: You some he's done well for them. He's a terrific blocker. Yeah,
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: he's become a little bit better receiver than people thought
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: he would be because coming out of Georgia Tech, no
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: one really viewed him as a receiver. But he's but
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: he I mean, he's certainly not Kincaid, not even Knocks,
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: but he's become a little better than than people I
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: think thought he could be, certainly as a rookie.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: Sure it is important to know Jackson Hawks.
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, that's.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: Kinkaid and Knocks. Both the tight ends that we're talking
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: about did get some work in on Friday. They were
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: limited and they're both listening as questionable. You heard out
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: them say game time decision. What they'll do probably do
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: is warm up on the field and make a decision
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: from there.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: I would think one of them will go, But greg
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: are they are they a heavy We know years ago
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: they were heavy eleven? Are they heavy twelve?
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: Not heavy twelve? But there they play a lot with
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: the full back Gilliam forty one oh yeah, twenty one personnel.
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: They'll play twenty two personnel. Gilliam is a pretty significant
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: part of their run game. A lot of their run
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: game concepts feature Gilliam.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: He's pretty good too, correct, I mean he is.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: So yes, he's very googie. So what does that mean
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: for the Eagles? Does that mean the Eagles will be
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: in base and that means the Gene will be playing
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: outside corner and they'll be in there five to two front.
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: It could well mean that, you know, you never know
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: with Vic how he sees all this, but they could
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: very well mean that because they play a good amount
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: out of base personnel groupings.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Boy, this has a a making of a real kind
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: of nineties eighty. You know, running in the mud and
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: the weather.
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: You know, there's probably not going to be a ton
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: of throwing if the weather's or certainly throwing down the field.
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: Let's put it that.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Way right now.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: Greg.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: On defense, the Bills will be without defensive tackle Daikwon Jones,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Penn Stater, and defensive tackle Jordan Phillips. Both are out
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Phillips as an ankle, Daqua as a calf.
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: So so you're gonna get the two guys a lot
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: of snaps, Dean Walker and TJ. Standers, and they both
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: played well, you know this year as rookies. Walker I
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: remember doing Walker in the summer he was still going
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: back to Kentucky for one more year, and his tape
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: his next to last season. He had the look of
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: a guy that if he had a great last year,
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: could be a first round pick because he's six seven,
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: he's athletic, he has light feet for a guy that size.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: And then he just did not have a great senior
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: season and he dropped to the fourth round. But he's
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: had a good year, solid year. And TJ. Sanders, who
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: was ended up being the second round pick. He's kind
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: of a quicker three technique type player. In fact, they
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: lined him up at times at the end when Bosa
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: did not play, because he has that kind of quickness.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: But I think they see him as a three technique
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: d tackle.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: You know, he's on the roster, but they really don't
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: play him. We're playing very much, if at all. Larry
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Ogunjobi's still there. They for whatever reason, he's buried on
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: their depth chart.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: There's pay a lot of money because of the two
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: guys being out.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're gonna he's gonna have to play. I mean
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: they're down too many. They're actually down technically three to three.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Right right, because Oliver is still not ready to come back.
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah he won't.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, McDermot made it pretty clear, depending on how deep
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: they go, he'll be available. So you said it best, Jeff.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: The Eagles want to be a running team. You know
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: it's coming. If we mentioned the weather they have.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: Who's gonna get a lot of snaps. And I remember
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: him coming out of Alabama and I liked him, and
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: you know this is probably his second Daryan.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Mathis ye never made.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I liked him coming out of Alabama. I thought
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: he could be a solid rotational d tackle and I
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: guess we're gonna find out this week if he can
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: be a solid rotational tackle.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Hey, just imagine what we would say about the Eagles
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: if they were in one game down Jaylen Carter, Jordan
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Davis and Moro A. Joel Because I'm not trying to
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: say these three are just as good. But the Bills
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: are down their three top defensive tackles.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: I mean they're also going to be without Jordan Poyer.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: And without their safety. Yes, he was starting. Yeah, yeah,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: he started for Taylor Rap. Yeah. So they're down to safeties, Jeff, So.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: You're gonna get the rookie Jordan Hancock from Ohio State
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: who has played meaningful snaps for them, But he's gonna
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: end up playing, I would imagine, instead of Ployer.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Actually, kim Lewis, is cam Lewis and m Lewis.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: Play there as well, no question, that's a good point
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: at him. He could be actually, he could be the starter.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: Hancock has played in a lot of their nickel and
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: pure pass situations, but cam Lewis could well be the starter.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: He's been there for a number of years. He knows
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: the defense.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Well, let me use a question about Matt Mlone. He's
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: had a number of biceps injury, you know, all sorts
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: of injuries with his arms. But he's been a I
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: know in the past he was really good. Where's he
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: out at this point? Are you talking about Matt Mlone?
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: What does he look like to you these days?
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: Has played well the last number of but he's been
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: injured so much but he's played much better the last
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: couple of weeks. There was a stretch there a couple
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: of years ago where I thought he was one of
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: the best linebackers in the league as a guy who
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: have played every snap.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: M All right, So that's who they'll be without, and last,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: but not least, Adam who's gonna be kicking for the Bills.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Well, okay, so this is they're down to they're down.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Look there, Matt Prater didn't practice this week. It's highly
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: unlikely he's gonna play, So now it I guess it'll Well,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: you know what's funny when I look at it, They
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: tried out the Bills tried out three kickers. Young Waiku
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: was the best one. They didn't sign him, So to me,
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: the other it's gonna have to be Michael Badgley again
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: because they have nobody else. Said talk about a journeyman
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: kicker you might remember from the Chargers and the Lions. Yeah,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: so it's gonna be badly and you're talking about this
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: kind of weather and Jake Ellio's got to get himself together,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: and we don't talk about special teams very much. We
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: know Jake is done well in the weather, but that's
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: not the issue right now. He's got a technique issue
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: which has got to be cleaned up and fixed asap.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: This could be a kicking optional game where if the
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: weather and the overall state of your kickers, you may
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: want to go for two if you can, if you
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: feel like you're more comfortable. Clearly that's what Nick Sirehanni
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: did there. Yeah, I mean he can talk about the
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: analytics all he wants. Yeah, I'm not really buying it.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: I think he was just trying to take some pressure
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: off of his kicker against the Commanders when he went for.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: It for two there.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: So this should be an interesting game again, two similar
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: teams offensively, Greg, I would think that because we've seen
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: two different versions of the Eagles offense stylistically and formationally
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: last two weeks. They wanted to play spread, they wanted
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: to pass the ball last week against the Commanders. The
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: week before, they wanted to play ground and pound with
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: thirteen personnel against the Raiders, with the weather, with the Bills,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: with what's at stake here, I would think as we
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: analyze this game, I would think the Eagles would be
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: tend to.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Go back to trying to run the ball out of
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: some heavy sets.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: What do you think, Yeah, I mean, it's always hard
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: to know. And again it's hard to know how the
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: weather will affect, you know, how they play. I mean, yeah,
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: they're saying rain. Maybe there'll be a stretch where it's
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: drizzling and that poor you know, you never know. But
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: you know, the thing that I feel when I watched them, Look,
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: there's no question that you go back to a year ago,
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: and more so the last three games than earlier in
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: the season, when they couldn't run the ball, that they
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: pretty much at their best line up and they run
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: the ball. There's no gimmicks, they line up, they run
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: the ball. But they to me, they're so good when
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: they go no huddle, and they go no huddle after
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: positive plays and it's almost always an eleven personnel, and
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: I think they're really good when they're in empty formations
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: as well. Now that's obviously game specific, and like you said, Jeff,
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: and you could be one hundred percent right, the weather
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: may be such that it's a game to just line
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: up and grind away and see how it plays. You know,
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: with the belief that their defense can hold the Bills down,
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: because the Bills just do not have a lot of
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: weapons that if they can shut down their run game,
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: then where do the Bills go from there? You know,
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: because it's you know, I love the argument to me about, well,
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen is Superman, and of course he can be.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: We've seen that enough in his career that we know
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: he can be. He's so physically gifted. But you know,
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: I guarantee they don't go into a game with the
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: idea that, hey, you know, let's play so Josh can
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: be Superman in the fourth quarter. You know, that's not
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: the way they're thinking about the game. And that doesn't
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: happen all the time. It can't. It's it's just percentage
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: why is not the way to play. So it wouldn't
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: surprise me to your point if the Eagles take what
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: you said, and that could be a function of the
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: weather and the conditions, but I just I feel they
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: do so many good things out of no huddle on
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: at a empty that I'd like to see them continue
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: to do that.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that would be if they came out
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: and had the same kind of attack plan that they
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: did against the Commanders.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: I think it would be surprising. But you're right, so
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: that that's that has helped them get to where they
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: want to be. And I'll tell you're running no hell
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: and getting the run game going.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you why. I think that's a good thing.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: Because one thing Adam made the point that the Bills
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: are very well coached, and they are. And one thing
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: Sean McDermott does as well as anybody in the league
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: is he changes the picture pre snap to post snap.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: So when you go no huddle, and you do and
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: you go in empty formations, you limit the ability of
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: the defense to change the picture pre snap to post snap.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: Sean is a master of late rotation, showing you one
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: thing and then going to something else. And you know,
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: obviously if there's no huddle, you can't do that as much.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: You minimize communication and and and changes. So again, if
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: this was normal weather, I'd say they definitely would look
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: at no huddle as a way to approach this Bill's defense.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: But maybe it's maybe it's not the best way to
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: go if the weather's terrible.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: So they have one of the better The Bills have
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: one of the better nickels in the league. And Terrell
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Bernard correct, I mean Johnson Johnson, I didn't mean, yeah.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: Well funny because the Bills until about a year or
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: so ago, were ninety nickel defense. They literally played nickel
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: almost every snap unless it was a specific situation. And
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: now they've changed pretty dramatically. Uh, they don't play nickel
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: every snap. In fact that they play a lot of
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: dime when it comes to pure pass. Uh, they'll play
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: bass depending on what the offense shows them. So we'll see. Uh.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: But yeah, they used to be. I mean that was
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: sort of the thing. It was wonderful watching their defense
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: because they never changed personnel. I don't have it was
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: on the field. It was always by the way I.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Got I might as well ask you this, what do
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: you in the matchup show this week? What are you
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: guys focusing on on this game?
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: Well, Darius to James Cook because it's obvious, Butler, you know,
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: and uh, and I did believe it or not, I
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: did empty and and uh and no huddle because I think,
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: you know, even if it doesn't you know, again, I
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: didn't know the weather forecast at the time, you know,
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: And and that wasn't the first thing on my mind.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: But I think that that's something that the Eagles do well.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: And you know, it wouldn't surprise me if you see
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: more of it, even if it's not this week.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Gotcha?
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, It was kind of interesting to see the
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Eagles use as much spread and no huddle, you know,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: get up tempo and and still I feel like eighty
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: percent of the offense was still funneled through A J.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Brown and even a little bit of Goddard.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: In fact, I think there was one play where John
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Dotson got targeted and I thought to myself, I don't
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: think John Dotson's got a target since the the interception
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: at the end of the Chargers.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, but since the war, those guys, yeah,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: they get a longer.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: No, it's just it's just it's every once in a
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: while those guys get a Nothing really changes other than
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: how they move the ball and get their to get
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: up tempo.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: But it's the offensive.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: At the end of the day. We can say what
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: we want about the Eagles offense, and I think Greg
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: Olsen spoke about this during the Commander's game. They have
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: really good talent, so their offense is better than people
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: think in terms of personnel. Like, we know they didn't
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: play well for a good part of the season. We
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: get that, but at the end of the day. They've
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: got a lot of talent on offense. I mean, they've
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: got a wide receiver duo that's certainly in the top
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: five in the league. We can debate where it falls.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: Maybe it's top three. You know, it's certainly right there.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: They've got a quality tight end. Okay, they've got Barkley.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, they have a lot of talent on the
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: offensive side of the ball. So it's not like, oh
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: my god, they don't have players, you know, it's so
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: it's they can make individual plays. That's the thing. Greg.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you this question, and we're on the offense.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: We'll get to the defense of the second. We've talked
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: for a number of weeks. E goals want their identity
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: to be the run game. Okay, we see that, right,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: They're getting the passing game together. How do you feel
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: about this offensive overall right now as we speak before.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: This game, Beagles offense overall, Yeah, I feel like they're
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: incrementally moving toward the way they were a year ago.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: And my sense is, without being in their meetings obviously,
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: that that's the way they believe they have to play,
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: because I think, what did we talk about a lot
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: last year, and I spoke to you guys about this
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: even after the season, about how they be when they're
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: at their best. They're a four down offense. It allows
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: them to use the run game on third and long.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: When I say third long, maybe third and six to
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: eight obviously not third and twelve. You know, it allows
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: them to run the ball on third and seven because
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: if they get to fourth and two and they're let's
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: say from the minus forty five going into you know,
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: plus territory, that if it's fourth and two, they're going
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: to go for and they convert. So, you know, I
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: think that they're moving in that direction, and I think
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: that's the way they know they have to play, and
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: I think that allows Jalen Hurts to be his most
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: effective because I think, you know, even though they had
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: thirty seven dropbacks last week, I think the feeling would
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: probably be that that's not the way they want to play.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: I would think they probably want him to be between
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: twenty five and twenty eight in a normal game and
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: to have the run game BA dominating fan and also
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: as part of their offense, have Jalen Hurtz have some
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: design runs which they've started starting to incrementally move toward
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: as well, so I think they're kind of gradually moving
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: toward what I believe they believe is the best way
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: to play.
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  Speaker 2: Up, Greg, would you the Bills have one of those
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: hybrid you know, statistical defenses where they ranked twenty ninth
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: against the run, allowing one hundred and forty four yards
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: per game. But but conversely they are second in pass defense.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: So is it that there are pass defense only looks
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: good because people run against them, or are they a
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: tough team to pass the ball against and an easy
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: team to run against.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: It's a really odd dichotomy. They are because they've given
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: up one hundred and eighty five or more yards rushing
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: in six games this year, and believe it or not,
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: there four and two in those games and the rest
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: of the league is like four and twenty eight. You know,
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: it's some really odd stat you know, you know their
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: past defense. Look, it's very odd. And I'm not sure
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: exactly the answer to that, Jeff, because you know, it's
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: been one of those seasons and it's just the way
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: it is where they've made big plays at opportune moments. Now,
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: you know, every team says they want to do that,
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: and when you do it, it looks great. But you know,
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: it's it's just an odd thing. I mean, you know,
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: and don't forget, it's not like they've been way up
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: in games in the second half. And the other hand,
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: you know, that's the other thing. You know, in years
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: past they would be up big a lot of times
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: in the second half and teams would have to throw,
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: and teams would put up some passing numbers and the
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: Bills would still win. But they've been behind in a
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: number of games this year that they've actually some they've
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: come back to win, some they haven't. But the other
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: team has not been in a position where they've just
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: got to drop back and throw the way it's been
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: with Buffalo the last number of years.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Right, last thing on the defense is, I know the
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Eagles really liked that corner out of Kentucky. Maxwell Marson Harriston. Yeah,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: they just they knew he would never be there where
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: they picked. How has he played and does he play
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: a lot for them?
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Bedford missed a couple of games and he started. Uh.
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: Now he's part of a rotation. It depends on the
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: game because they have Bedford and White, and Bedford normally
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: plays every snap. So normally Harston rotates with White, and
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: it depends on the game and the opponent. You know,
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: it's very possible this week you could see more White
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: because he's a veteran. He understands how to play against
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: Smith and Brown. Doesn't mean he's going to stop them,
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: but he understands how to play against them just from
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: being a veteran who was once a true All Pro
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: type player. He's not quite that guy now.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: For people scoring at home, Yes, yes, yeah, so.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: I would say Harston will probably be a rotation player.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: I would think, barring an injury, he'll probably play in
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: the twenty snap range.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, is Benford the kid that went to Yale Nova?
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: That's right, Nova Nova, Okay, represented by Jim Ulrich.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: They signed him to a big deal. I mean they
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: they believe in him. Yeah, good play by going to
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: be a really good player, they say, Bishops the safety, Yeah,
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: the second to be a good player. Yeah, he's a
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: good player now, but I think he can just get
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: better and better too.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: So the Bills are clearly hurting in their defensive interior,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: down three tackles. But they've got some linebackers we know
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: about Milano, They've got some the nickel that we talked
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: about Toron Johnson, you know, and they've got some guys
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: in the secondary.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: Jack Thompson out or is he? Yeah?
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: He? I was just gonna mention Shaq Thompson. Shaq Thompson, No, No,
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: he practiced because.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: He's had a really good season for them. He's actually
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: been a revelation. He's had a really good season.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: I imagine he's subpackaged specific.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: Uh no, Well, don't forget Bernard was out for quite
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: a while and he came back last week. So Thompson
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: was playing every snap for a number of weeks. Wow,
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: I don't know what that again. Now it comes down
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: to are the Eagles going to be in base? Are
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: they going to be in eleven? You know? Now we
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: don't know the answer to.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: That, right And who's gonna be on a j brown
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Are they going to keep one guy on the.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: Back normally not match up. They normally don't. Again does
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: that you know? You never know, but they normally do not.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: So who would normally then line up on that side
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: if he's your boundary acts boundary.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: At first the left corner, that's right.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, sometimes they play boundary and field. Sometimes they don't.
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: I've tried to figure that out, and I just sometimes
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: I just throw my hands up and say, you know,
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm I'm done trying to figure this out.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's talk about the Eagles defense against
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: this This Bill's offense is so strange. You know, ever
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: since they let they moved on from Diggs Stefan Diggs,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: they've really tried to, in some way or another bring
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: in different wide receivers, right. Uh, you know, they brought
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: in Palmer, and they brought in they traded for Marii
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Cooper a year or two ago.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: I didn't really give them what they want. They always
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: just seem to have a different cast of guys out there.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: They drafted Kean Coleman and he barely plays.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: He and Gabe Davis, who are healthy scratches. Last week.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they struggled.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's funny, Jeff. They actually have enough depth.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: The problem is they don't have at a level receiver
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: m And Look, it's working with James, There's no question
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: about it. Klail has been a really nice story of
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: development for a fifth round pick. But they need a playmaker.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Curtis Samuel never worked out. He's he's on ir. Josh Palmer.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: You've always liked Josh Palmer's more of like a three.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: He's been in and out of the lineup.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: He's been hurt too.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they just you know, at some point in this
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: league you need a receiver who can line up outside
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: the numbers. Whether it's a boundary X or if it's
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: a two by two set, you need a receiver outside
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: the numbers who can win one all one. They do
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: not really have that guy. That's really limiture pass game,
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: no matter how good your quarterback is.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Did you think did you like, let's leave the off
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: the football character stuff on the side here from a
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: football standpoint, from tape study, did you like Coleman?
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: I was up and down on him. I kept going
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: back and forth. So it did not surprise me as
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: to where he was drafted. You know, He's not a
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: juicy guy, and I don't think anybody thought he was.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: You know, he doesn't have he's not twitch, he's not explosive.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: But sometimes those guys that can that can just catch
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: the ball and you know, are end up being good players.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm trying to think of a comparison a
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: guy who's not necessarily, you know, a sub athlete. I
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: can't think of one offhand. But the the bottom line
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: is those other issues are a big factor at him.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's the that's the bottom line. I was
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: just curious from a football stat I mean, I could
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: go up what I said, but I remember that I
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: kept going back and forth on him in my mind.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: No, because I know Jeff and I share notes on him.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: But it was it was a lot of thumbs down,
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: a lot of thumbs down. It's not a separate right,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: what's that second so twenty four draft? Yeah, second round, yep.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: And they really did him, they really.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I didn't think, oh my god, don't draft
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: this guy. His states terrible. It wasn't like that.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: I just think when you look like over him, right
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: and you look at and you see Brandon Cooks and
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Nicole Hardman, and Gabe days.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: All right, my first my first two sentences would tell you,
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: and I wrote more because that's the way I do it,
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: as you guys know. But my first two sentences kind
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: of speak to where we are. I said, my senses
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: Coleman will be somewhat polarizing as teams project and transition
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: him to the NFL. He possesses excellent size and length,
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: which allowed him, at times with free access to cover
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: ground quickly into his vertical stem and attack the intermediate
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: and vertical level levels of the coverage. But he is
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: not sudden in his movement, and his overall play speed
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: would be described as average with no real burst or
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: second gear.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Hmm, so almost Yeah.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Who's the guy that the Saints had who was awesome
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: at that despite not being juicy Colston?
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: More man, you know, I mean, I don't want I
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: don't like making that correlation because Coulson was actually great, good,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: really good.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: But here here was my final, my final in my transition,
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: my final two sentences, my sense is there is more
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: to unlock with Coleman, and there is no question that
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: there is a looseness within his body that is there
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: to be developed. But it will likely take some time,
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: and it may never happen as he makes the transition
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: to the NFL. Can his size help compensate for some
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: of his athletical limitations and get him on the field
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: early in his career as a specific kind of receiver.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: So I mean I was up and down on him.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: I'm not surprised, let's put it that way.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but here's the thing. The reason why he's not
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: playing is not it's it's the approach to his job.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not getting it, Jeff, as we sent it
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: back to you. Yeah, and it's a shame because we've
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: just outlined it. They need him so barely as an
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: X receiver. I'll have one. It's hard man, like you
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: could they have death, but they don't have any big
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: time players that position. And if somehow the Eagles could
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: just limit Cook a little bit, I know Josh Allen's
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: dynamic and by the way, Eagles over time occasionally struggle
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: against running quarterbacks. That's something we saw what so Justin
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: Herbert did not. He's more of a scrambler. But that's
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: something in this game. I'm very interesting see without Nakobe Dean,
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: how their discipline is.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: And the other factor too, is even though Josh Allen
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: is going to play and as a full participant, and
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: we know that he's one of the toughest guys in
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: the league. You know, he did come off a foot injury.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: You know, he may think he may not want to
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: run his you don't know, we don't know how he feels. Yeah,
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: he's one of those guys that's gonna play unless you
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: got a will and ount and will.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's a very fair point. And he did
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: have actually which were negative during the game and he
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: was fine. Trum mc dermott, I think I don't. I
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: don't think they had any further testing. He just knew
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: he could play through it and he was fine.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they just limited him in practice until you know today,
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: which Friday, which I guess he was a full part two.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: You never know, we'll see that.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: That something to look for on Sunny early in the game.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: How he moves, yeah, yeah, Greg, How does the how
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: does the Eagles d line, which has played well even
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: without Jalen Carter who's now coming back.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: And by the way, really interesting comments that Jalen Carter
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: had to the media. I mean he said it got
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: to the point where he was not able to do
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: push ups. He is feeling a lot better now, but
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: that's also because he hasn't played in three weeks. He
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: even was the first to say he's not like one
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: hundred percent, he just feels better. So, like we said
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: with the PRP injections, where there's some doubt in the
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: medical community how much they actually work, because there's no
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: evidence to say that it really does give you the
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: healing you're looking for. You can at least say he's
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: been he's been off not using his shoulders for a
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: few weeks and and he just that alone helps him
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: feel better. But how does this defensive front match up
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: against a Bill's offensive line.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: Which is which is a definite strength and probably one
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: of the top five in the league. So that is
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: the strength of their offense and everybody's healthy. It's a
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: really good run blocking O line as we've seen, they're
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: very good, and it's very multiple in their concepts. I
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: would say it's not necessarily as good as pass protecting
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: O line. But the question is do the Eagles have
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: those edge players that can really I mean Phillips. Phillips
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: will be going against Spencer Brown the right tackle the
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: majority of the time, Brown's good player, but I think
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: he can be beatable at times. But he's a good player, right. So,
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: but that the old line, there's no question that's a
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: strength of their team and one of the top five
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: in the league for sure.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: They will have to be disciplined.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: The Eagles with their pass rush, without questions, this is
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: not a guy you can question that.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen, as good as he is, does look if
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: he sees an opening, he you know, he'll abandoned the
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: play if he sees an opening and he'll go.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think running good.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: By the way, it's Mariota, and I thought the Eagles
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: were good at not letting Mariota break the posts.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: So they kept them. That's how we got hurt.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Actually he was in the pocket and trying to get out,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: but he was did a nice job there.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: Adam, you're.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, actually they're you know, it's interesting. I remember
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: David Edwards is their left guard. Greg I thought when
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: the Ram because the Rams are not doing well guard
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: and they let him walk. So he's actually played pretty
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: well for them.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: Huh yeah, No, they're all lines good. They're mallers. Edwards
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: is a maller. Torrance is uh is a Maller. You
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: know they're they're really good. I mean it's it's a
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: really good fiscal Jeff.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: But they're not there. You would say they're athletic by
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: this line, would you.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, I wouldn't call them the most athletic in
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: the league. They're not unathletic, but that's not they're more
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: I would say on the scale of athletic versus Mallers,
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: they're closer to Malers, but they're not unathletic.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: And one more thing, Jeff, Josh Allen's running style is
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: very unique. It's sort of like sidewinding, Like you don't
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: see guys this big run like the he I mean,
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: you would call him explosive, but he's got good vision
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: and they cannot let it like if he has a
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: backbreaking run, got to just deal it and go to
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: the next play. Because we've seen this with some runs
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: and Herbert got them, Mariota let Mario got hurt early
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: in the game, so we never know. Mario is as
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: big as Herbert arolly right, and Mariota got hurt early
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: in the game anyway, so we have no idea how
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: that he would have finished.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: But this is it.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: He's he's very unique, And I just want to mention
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: our late great friend Chris Mortenson. He and I were
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: texting one year because you know, we were exchanging notes
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: on what the word on Josh Allen was before the draft,
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: and I said, mord it's hard to get over the inaccuracy.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: Most coaches will tell you you can't correct that, right,
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: Brandon Bean, I got to give the guy credit because
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: I remember talking to him about this. You just have
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: a feeling like if you work with a guy and
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: he's willing to work Josh Allen we're talking about here,
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: and he wants to be great, maybe he can overcome.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: But Greg, you know this.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: There's no question he I've even heard Troy Aikman talk
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: about it that he kind of you know that he's
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: the aberration. No one expects guys to all of a
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: sudden become accurate, you know that Hart to coach.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: At Jeff hard.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: Funny at the year he came out at the combine,
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: I was. I was asked by Jordan Palmer. He said, hey,
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: you want to come up to the second floor. It
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: was the night before the quarterbacks worked out because Jordan
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: was working with Donald and Josh Allen. So I went
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: up the night before when they were just doing like
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: their last throwing because the next day was the quarterback workout,
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: and so I was up there standing next to Donald
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: and Allen, and I'm telling you the way the book
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: comes out of Allan, I mean it's in fact, Jordan
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: Palmer was the one catching his throws and his hands
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: were bloody. Yeah, because obviously Jordan Palmer's not a receiver.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: Sure you know, it just was. It's crazy out of
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: his hand. So damn Marino.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: I know it's been said that you could hear it whistle,
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: like you could hear the ball move Flacco. I've heard
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: it move when he would look. I've seen him been
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: on a practice wherever he was. But just the way
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: you just grab Josh Allen Jeff, Yeah, Wow.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: He's a superhuman. The last time these teams played, it
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: actually rained. It was at the Link. This was two
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: years ago. The Eagles won the game, and that was.
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: The game where Gabe Davis made that mistake in overtime
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: and it should have been a game winning touchdown because
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: he broke outside versus zero. Yeah, and there was no
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: one in the You know, when there's no one in
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: the middle versus zero, you go to the middle.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: By the way, it rained in that game of their
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: seventy one points, scored folks.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: And made some ridiculous throws.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, and Jordan Davis made an unbelievable play chasing Josh Allen.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: Down right, that was the sideline on.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: A fourth down, I believe, forcing him out of balance.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: But the point I wanted to make you just made
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: it was that was a thirty seven, thirty four win
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: for the Eagles. It doesn't feel like these teams are
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: as potent right now.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Both of them.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Can score thirty, But when they play each other in
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: an Orchard Park, with the rain, with the struggles at
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: times they both had offensively, I think I see a
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: different style of game here.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, right now, I would agree with you. Of course,
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: we never know in the NFL, but I would agree
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: with you right now. You know, I don't see, you know,
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: the game playing out that way?
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, that's a great segue to us telling
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: us how we do see the game playing out.
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: I forgot about that.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here's my favorite thing. Before we do.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: I always like when I asked Greg what the line is,
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: because I know he pays no attention to its curious
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: what he thinks it's going to be compared to what
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: it actually is.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: So, Craig, what do you think the line is on
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: the game.
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: Well, I would assume because the Bills are really good
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: at home and they are eleven and four, it's not
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: like they're a bad team, that they would be favored.
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: But I would think not by a ton. I'm going
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: to say three and a half.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: You're very close. Your rationale was right there. Buffalo is favored,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: they are at home, but it's only one and a half,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: which is very That.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: Means that people think the Eagles have a truly legit
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: chance to win this. I think that's what it means,
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: right sure.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: I mean usually you get three points for being at home,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: so it almost it almost suggests that the odds makers
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: think that if they played this game in the Super Bowl,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: the Eagles would win, or on a neutral fold, right,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: the Eagles would win.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: So with that in mind, let us start.
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: Greg.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: You can go first, what's the score, who wins, who's
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: the player of the game.
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: You know, it's always hard to pick against the Bills
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: in hein Mark, there's something you know. It's one of
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: those places, just like we always say, if you know
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: that now, that the Eagles won the division, that it's
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: tough to come to the Lincoln January no matter how
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: good you are, who you are, it's it's over the years,
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: it's been really tough to play at High Mark. It's
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: not like they never lose there, but it's a tough
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: place to play. But I don't know, I just I
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: feel like the Eagles are sort of getting a little
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: bit back on track. I just I just don't know
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: how many points are going to be scored in this game.
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: I'm feeling like this is like a twenty seventeen kind
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: of game, you know. So I'm going to pick the
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: Eagles twenty seventeen, and I'm gonna pick Barkley as my
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: player at because I think the reality is the Bills
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: have struggle to stop the run. I mean, it's just
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: been a reality. You know. You can't the numbers say so,
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: you know. So I'm gonna I'm.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Going to pick all right, Adam to you, yeah, Sirianni.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: Since twenty one, best road record in the National Football
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: League twenty nine to thirteen, the Eagles are also nine
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: to three on the road versus the AFC, And you know,
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: since then, to start the week, I was going to
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: pick the Bills because of the sentimentality of they're going
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: to close the stadium. You know after the season all
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: that Bills are hard to win and beat in December.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: But there's just something I know people talk about the
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: schedule recently. Fine, but they look like a different team.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: They look better. I'm buying in Jailen Carter returning, just
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: him returning, Jeff, and look, their defense is played really
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: well without them. They're gonna be better with Jalen Carter.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: I'm going Eagles twenty three to twenty over the Bills.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, how can I go with anyone but Sakwan Parkley.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: By the way, it's really running hard and running well.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: Get some dirty yards, which we never really last week.
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: You're one hundred percent right at him.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: He is, this is I know what Kyle Shanahan talks about,
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: the dirty yards. I get what he meant. You got
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: because Greg, you told us you were the first person
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: to bring this up. He didn't know if he can
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: do that. We know explosive he was. He was awesome
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: last year. But this time of year, Jeff, you've got
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: to be able to run hard when the conditions aren't great.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: You've got to be able to finish, and I really
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: bring it right now, and a lot is better.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: I don't think people appreciate the dirty yards. You know.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: They see a guy break through into the clear and
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: it looks pretty and it looks great, But the dirty
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: yards are the key to you. I mean, I would
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: say there's been no better back in the league this
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: year because I watch, you know, as many teams I can,
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: as you guys know, there's been no better back getting
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: dirty yards this year than Christian McCaffrey. He might not
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: be averaging five yards to carry, but he gets hard,
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: tough dirty yards.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I've seen a lot of them.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: You're right about that, Greg, because him and Barkley for
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: much of the year were right.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, in yards.
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: Because I think he's still under He may maybe got
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: to four last week because I know he had twenty
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: four for one to seventeen, so I haven't checked his
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: you know, so, but even if he's at three point.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: Nine, he's actually had a very good season given the
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: nature of the of the year, you know. Anyway, I
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: didn't mean to take your still your.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, I was saying there yards before contact. I
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: mean these guys, yeah, hit, hit, pretty pretty quickly. I
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: hate that you guys always make me the bad guy.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: It was other than that one week where we all
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: picked the Chargers and turned out to be right. You
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: guys always make me the bad guy. So I'm gonna
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: get all the comments. But I do think the Bills
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: are going to win this game. I think they're very
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: tough in Buffalo. They have a lot to play for
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: to still be able to win the AFC East. And
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: I do have some concerns right now with Jake Elliott
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: in a close game, and I do expect this to
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: be a close game. I have some concerns about the
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: lack of Nakobe Dean and what that's gonna do for
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: keeping Josh Allen contained and this run game, Bills run game.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: So I do think it's going to be a low scoring,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: close game.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: I have the Bills winning twenty six to twenty with
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: James Cook getting two touchdowns and being the game MVP.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he can win even when it's not really well blocked,
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: because his touchdown run last week against Cleveland was not
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: well blocked at all and he won at the second level.
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: He can beat guys, you know. So again, look, I'm
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: right there with you, This game to me is a
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: pick him in many ways. You know, I can easily
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: have picked the Bills and I feel perfectly good about it.
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: But you know, I just I just know they run.
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: Defense to Bills has just been not what I know,
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: not what Sean McDermot would want it to be.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: One question off that are they really small?
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: Up front?
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: Greg?
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: Is there like an issue?
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: Like what do you think the issue is?
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: The guys who were hurt are not small. Jordan Phillips
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: is three twenty or so. You know, Daikwon Jones, he's
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: the Penn State kid, right, Yeah, you know, but what's
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: the issue why the rookiees probably in the two ninety range.
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: You know, he's a quickness player. Dion Walker is not
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: small at all.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Oh no, he's uge.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: It fits is that they.
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: Just I mean, when you're not good in the run game,
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: there's not one hundred reasons why at him. It's it's
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: guys getting blocked, it's bad run fits, it's you know,
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: it's not rocket science here, We're not we're not doing
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: green surgery.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: So Dane Walker is three thirty, so if anything, maybe
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: maybe him being in there more helps.
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: The thing is they are light at linebacker at him.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: That's the issue. A lot of heavy. Bernard is not
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: big when he's in these You know, I think these
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: guys are solid players, but they're not big guys.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: Get to the second level, Jeff, and you could and
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: folks watch watch early in the game with the rans,
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: see what the footing is like. Very interesting to have
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: the right for goingn' sake.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Oh serious, that is true. Absolutely.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: It's a four to twenty five game for a reason,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: because these are two really fascinating, really good teams going
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: at it.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: So it should be a great time. That's gonna do
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: it for this episod out of the Inside the Birds
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: pregame show for Greg Gsell and Adam Kaplan. I'm Jeff
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Mosher catch all on the Inside the Birds postgame show
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: after the game