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Exclusive Interview: Sara Grice and Kevin Starnes of Nicely Theatre Group's 'Oliver!' · The BSB Podcast

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  Nicely Theater Group is preparing for their production of Oliver.
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  And today we're talking with two of the cast members,
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  Sara Grice and Kevin Starnes. Thank you both for being here.
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  Thank you, Brian. Thanks for having us.
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  Thanks for having us.
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  So Kevin, you're currently about two weeks out from opening night.
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  How are you feeling about it so far?
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  it's it's been an adventure. ~ you know,
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  Yeah.
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  I it's I was not actually that familiar with Oliver ~ before
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  I got cast in the show. ~ and so it's been really,
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  really great just watching everything come together,
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  watching the child actors especially.
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  ~ and then because my part is so intertwined with Sara's
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  we've had to do a lot of work to kind of get our chemistry together and whatnot.
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  So that's and that's been really rewarding because I think that
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  our scenes are really intense and need that chemistry.
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  Sara, were you familiar with Oliver before auditioning or were you also kinda
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  in the same boat?
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  You know, I was semi familiar with Oliver.
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  ~ always knew Nancy's got a big song called As Long as He Needs Me.
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  So I've always been familiar with that.
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  knew some of the like the beginning parts with the kids,
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  but I didn't know like the full story.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  ~ didn't realize it was as dark as it is,
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  'cause you kinda think a lot of kids it's gonna be a friendly,
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  happy musical. ~ but it's it's pretty dark.
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  Sure.
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  ~ so
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  Getting to sit now that we're running the whole show and actually seeing
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  the scenes progress and seeing the other characters come in and the parts that they
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  play in the story. ~ I really have fallen kind of in love with the musical,
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  ~ more so than I had when I auditioned.
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  ~ but Nancy's kind of always been like a bucket list.
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  ~ so that kind of drew me to it.
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  But I'm absolutely just having the time in my life.
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  And like Kevin said, getting, you know,
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  to work with
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  with actors like Kevin, like some of the other ~ you know,
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  people in this show, and really learning to form those bonds,
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  it really kinda even just takes how much you like a show to the next level.
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  I have to say Kevin, I was very similar to you where I didn't know much about when
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  I was researching for this, I was like,
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  I don't know much about this. I had to contact my business partner and be like,
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  Hey, yo, you know a lot of musical theater.
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  What is going on with Oliver? And so for those who maybe aren't familiar,
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  I was wondering if you could kind of tell us a little bit about what's happening
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  in the story.
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  this is a this is a show that like I've known some of the music too,
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  and I think that's gonna be familiar to a lot of people.
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  I mean, I don't know many people that don't know Food,
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  Glorious Food, ~ if for no other reason than the Ice Age movies.
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  and you know, there ~ I've
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  You know, I've learned some of the other songs just from my experience
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  in choir when I was younger and whatnot.
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  And I you know, all the memes of Oliver himself going,
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  please can I have some more. So,
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  you know, it's i I kind of when I when I first kind of went through the script,
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  the whole time I was thinking this is like the darkest possible version
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  of Annie I have ever seen. Like Sara was saying,
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  it's a very dark show, which I think is gonna surprise a lot of people.
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  You know, O Oliver is an orphan,
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  he's at an orphanage, he's being forced to,
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  you know, do work, not being fed much.
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  But it's not like there's some comedic elements in that setting,
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  but it's not like, you know, it's not as comedic as it would be,
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  you know, not to keep harping on Annie,
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  but it's not like that at all.
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  And it's the rest of that story i is the rest of that is like to
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  an extreme where like Oliver gets sold into labor.
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  And he eventually escapes from that.
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  And then, like, the kind of the saving grace of that for him is falling
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  in in line with a bunch of child thieves,
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  which you know is is just kind of just this weird thing to say out loud
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  now that I'm hearing myself say it.
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  and there's this relationship that forms between him and Fagan,
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  who's the adult ringleader of the child thieves.
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  And it's it's great to watch Fagan's character evolve because of basically Oliver.
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  Oliver is like almost like this force of good that changes everyone around him.
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  And you know, and then my character comes in as a huge antagonist,
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  and there's this dynamic between Nancy and Oliver that fundamentally changes
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  my character's relationship with Nancy.
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  ~ up until the end where it just it boils down to this huge very final scene
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  and where Oliver and Fagan get a happy ending and we'll leave
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  it at that without spoiling too much.
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  Ha
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  ha ha
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  Absolutely. And Sara, you know,
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  when you talked about the the the kind of darkness of the show,
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  there's a little bit of darkness,
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  that is quite heavy, you know,
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  what Kevin's kind of describing there.
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  How do you feel like Oliver really does kind of balance that light aspect
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  ~ throughout the show?
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  Yeah, ~ definitely. There's I and I I actually when I got this part I went back
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  and I started I I read the actual novel because it is based on Oliver Twist written
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  by Charles Dickens. And you know,
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  Oliver he is like Kevin said, he's kind of like this source of good.
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  Like there's just this sweet innocence about him from the very beginning.
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  Like him straight out going up to,
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  you know, the guy that
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  runs the the orphanage essentially or the workhouse that he's living
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  in and is asking for more food.
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  He's kind of you know, the kids kinda egg him on to see how that responds and,
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  you know, he's just constant there's just this sweet light about him.
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  And even from the moment he meets my character,
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  like the first thing he does is he bows.
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  He bows to me. So the everybody kind of wonders where this is coming from from
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  an orphan. What, you know, what
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  is it in him that makes him kind of this little gentleman.
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  ~ so you really learn to love Oliver sh straight off the get go.
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  You just want you want more for him.
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  You want better from him. ~ and I think that's something that resonates with
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  my character, ~ who, you know,
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  for lack of a better word, has kind of been on the streets and she
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  was in Fagan's gang and she was thieving and now she's a little older.
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  So
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  She's probably doing some other things.
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  and she's had a really rough life.
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  So she meets this young man, and all of a sudden she's like,
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  I don't want this for him. And so she kind of s is
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  the one that's really pushing for him to come out and get his happy ending
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  at the end, even at, you know,
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  some expenses that again we will we will leave to those who come see the show.
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  For sure. Absolutely. ~ and so Kevin,
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  you are playing, like you said,
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  the protagonist. You're playing ~ Bill,
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  but who do you feel like Bill is to you?
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  Or like how has maybe your relationship with him changed since kind
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  of taking on this role?
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  you know, I've ~ in kind of researching the role because it's
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  the script is very much like,
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  you know, Bill enters a scene,
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  everyone is scared of him, and then Bill loses his temper at something.
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  And it's to try to make a villain more than just
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  that is really been the challenge of this role.
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  And you know, something that I've kind of I've kind of held to throughout,
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  you know, many years of theater and opera and whatnot is that
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  the best villains don't know they're villains.
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  They think they're doing something right.
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  And so it's, you know, it's been kind of figuring out,
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  you know, why it what is his relationship with all these people?
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  Why is he the way that he is? Is he really
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  that bad or is he living off of just his reputation,
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  that sort of a thing. And so it's been it's been kind of walking this fine
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  line between showing, yes, that Bill is capable of all these horrible things,
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  but not making it his soul defining characteristic so that when it does happen,
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  it's that much more impactful and hopefully terrifying.
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  Because that's what I'm going for.
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  Ha ha
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  So it's it's been it's it's been really it's been really interesting,
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  ~ you know, is when I for years I I've been kind of the funny guy.
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  The past year suddenly villains have been thrown at me.
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  I'm like, Okay, this is a huge switch for me,
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  but it's it's been it's been a heck of a journey so far.
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  I mean it's it has to be really cool as an actor to be able to kind of switch
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  it up and try something like that.
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  But also I love that you're trying to make him not two dimensional.
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  You're trying to find the like the whole person within that.
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  What's kind of that process for you then to find that whole person of like
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  who Bill is kind of through I know you're doing some research
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  you mentioned and stuff, but like how do you find him within the words that
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  are on the page?
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  so my opening song ~ right off the bat is called My Name.
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  And all of the essentially the entire song is everyone gets terrified once they hear
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  my name. My name is so terrifying that no one will even speak it.
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  And so right off the bat,
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  I'm thinking, have I ever done any of these horrible things?
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  Or has this just been the rumor mill and I have gone with it?
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  You know? And so then
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  It becomes what does it look like if I'm not really that guy?
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  If I'm just the reputation? What do I do to convince people that
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  the reputation is real? And so there's this slow build to
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  the point where I actually have to live up to it.
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  And is that scary for me?
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  Is it just a moment where it happens and I suddenly like,
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  God, I finally crossed that line?
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  It you know, and so it's it's been a lot of putting him in situations.
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  Of what would this look like if the whole legend isn't real?
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  And then from there, just kind of going through like the mannerisms.
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  Sure.
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  I'm I'm someone that when I am d you know,
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  getting into the character, I have to develop the physicality of it first
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  to really make it real. And so it's like,
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  you know, it's it's finding the walk.
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  Does he have does he have a swagger?
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  Is the swagger real? Is it manufactured?
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  Is it, you know, there's
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  ~ little things by how I interact with Nancy,
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  how I interact with ~ Fagan. Do am I jealous of Oliver because suddenly
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  everyone is finding out that like,
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  wow, we can be a good person and still have good things happen to us.
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  Whereas I'm the guy that's saying no,
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  we have to be terrible. We have to instill fear.
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  And so it it's been kind of putting all those situations around and playing with
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  it and going, what would this look like?
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  Wow, okay. I love that. I I you don't usually see like I love this play of like,
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  did he like are they just rumors?
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  Because I think that a lot of the times we see villains who they
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  do all those horrible things and they do live up to the reputation.
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  But the I s this idea that maybe you don't,
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  and then as a psychologist, I it's always interesting when you
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  see somebody have something kind of thrust upon you and then it's not exactly true.
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  And do you fulfill that role? Do you do it do you fulfill that role well or do
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  It does is it kind of scary or daunting and so again that adds that
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  the kind of layer and depth to Bill.
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  Yeah, that's that's really ~ I I think r really kind of like the
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  the motivation for me is to try to do this in a way that hasn't
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  me maybe necessarily been done before.
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  and isn't just, okay,
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  here's the bad guy, let's do bad guy stuff.
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  Yeah.
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  Sure.
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  I just have to say, in you know,
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  just to kind of feed off of Kevin's question,
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  in him developing that point of view,
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  it really helped me because there has to be a reason why Nancy loves him so much.
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  He can't just be this awful, terrible person 24-7.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Okay.
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  There's gotta be a reason, and she even says it,
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  you know.
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  This is this is just the this is who he is.
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  This is who he thinks he has to be.
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  Sure. I love that though too though,
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  that because you're right, there does have to be a reason.
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  And like if he's just an awful guy,
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  why would Nancy love him, you know?
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  Right. ~
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  So but you had mentioned,
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Sara that Nancy is is a dream,
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  kind of like a dream role for you.
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  What is it what is it about Nancy that you've just kind of been drawn to?
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  Yeah.
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  ~ I mean, as a vocalist,
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  you know, I tend to get drawn to shows where there's like this
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  big like eleven o'clock number.
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  ~ you know, but I mean as long as he he needs me as like one of the most like iconic
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  musical theater songs out there.
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  But beyond that, I tend to connect with these characters
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  who are struggling with their own personal identity a lot.
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  it just seems to kind of be a
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  Sure.
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  constant in the roles that I've played in my in my acting history,
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  ~ where I tend to struggle to be kind of that rough around the edges person with
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  the heart of gold. ~ so I just I I love the joy that Nancy brings
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  Okay.
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  to the show. and I love how like Dickens put it,
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  I read a I read a whole like
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  you know, somebody did like a whole like thesis on this sh this storyline
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  and Nancy and even Dickens himself said it that Nancy truly is the heart
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  and light of the show. She is someone that has found positivity regardless
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  of her situation. ~ and I feel like I'm very much like that in my own personal life.
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  ~ so I think that's probably one of the biggest things that drew me to this role.
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  ~
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  And it's just it's been really special to get to understand her a little
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  bit more on a different depth.
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  Was there something about her that you learnt like that felt different once
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  you started to kind of embody her?
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  it's interesting that you asked that because the other night,
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  ~ I had like gotten a text message in between act one and act two and
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  all of a sudden I turned to ~ one of the other actors who plays Bet in
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  the show and I looked at her and I was like,
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  ~ okay, I gotta it's happy,
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  Yeah.
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  happy, happy. There's just something about Nancy,
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  like the moment I step into her shoes,
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  everything else melts away and she just
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  is and that's something that I have to,
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  you know, thank Mitch Master, our wonderful director too,
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  is any any time like he'll have a note for me and he's just like
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  but you just become Nancy the second you step into her world.
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  ~ so it's it's just been a completely different experience for me getting
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  to play this part.
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  It's ki it's kind of awesome though that it feels like it's I don't want
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  to say easy because I know that's not easy,
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  but like to to become Nancy, there feels like there's an ease to that.
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  Yeah, sadly it's hard that, you know,
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  I can easily become someone who is in a ~ abusive relationship.
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  But when you talk about the positivity,
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  ~
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  you're kind of also describing of,
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  you know, the you're still finding positive in her,
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  even though that's kind of like the situation that she's in.
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  So, you know, it sounds like you're focusing on on the positive aspect of
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  it and not maybe on the negative aspect of that character and her relationships.
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  Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And I bring a lot
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  of myself to that 'cause I do tend to be someone who is positive even
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  in the darkest situation.
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  Positivity is important, especially in today's day and age.
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  so I did get to see you last year ~ in ~ Fiddler on the Roof,
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  and I've seen you in a few other productions.
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  But how do you feel like maybe your process for developing this character
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  is different than some of your your past characters that you've done?
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  so with Fiddler on the Roof, obviously that was a that is my
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  all time favorite musical, I will be honest.
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  ~ it's something I grew up with.
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  So Tzeitel again, I kinda grew up with her.
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  So I kinda knew her nuances just from,
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  you know, watching the movie growing up and I played in the pit orchestra
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  in high school for the show and I've seen so many versions of it.
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  For Oliver
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  I hadn't even really watched the movie until I got cast in this show.
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  Okay.
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  I hadn't seen any previous productions.
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  So where I feel I am with Nancy and where I've kind of
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  sat down is I've really had to take the time to understand her.
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  I've had to sit and I've written like notes out in a journal creating
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  her backstory. Who is she? Where did she come from?
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  Why did she wind up?
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  with Fagan? Why has she stayed with Fagan?
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  Why, you know, does she not get out of this relationship with Bill?
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  And I've had to sit and ask those questions.
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  ~ I've also had to really I've always also really taken the time to
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  sit down and break down her songs one by one,
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  line by line, and like what's going through her head at this point.
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  ~ so not that I haven't dug deep into characters before,
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  ~ but I recently got into a scene study class as well.
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  So that kind of like
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  gave me even more like knowledge and understanding of how to truly break down
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  a character in a scene. it's just something that I've worked hard
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  at with this character. So she just she feels different than the others.
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  I was gonna say she feels like you you're taking her like even like
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  a step deeper than you have with ~ your other characters.
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  Yeah. Yeah. I've trying to give her the time she deserves.
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  So
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  So when we're talking about the songs,
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  obviously, you know, this is a song that Kevin you mentioned that people
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  are gonna know the music or will know some of the music.
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  But what music do you feel or like what songs do you feel like are some
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  of your favorites to perform or even some favorites from the production that
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  you just love to hear every single night?
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  For me, honestly, I could listen to ~ any of Fagan's numbers
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  all night. ~ be because,
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  you know, Patrick is got he is such a wonderful actor and he really embodies
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  the role to begin with, but his chemistry with the child actors is it
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  it is just wonderful. They all adore each other and it's very,
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  very ~
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  obvious and the the energy is just different when those scenes are happening.
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  And and part of it is is just it has to be.
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  When you have that many that many children on stage,
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  you have to have that level of energy.
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  And any elementary school teacher will tell you that.
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  ~ that you just there's there's a level of energy you have to keep
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  and in his ~ what's his first number
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  Not not reviewing the situation,
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  but his first number with the kids,
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  Gotta Pick a Pocket. my god. So good,
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  Pick a pocket. Pick a pocket. Yeah.
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  so good. Yeah. ~ and then the other one that I'm pretty sure
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  my entire family is sick of at this point because I keep singing it,
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  is Nancy's opening of act two,
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  the Oom-Pah-Pah number. It is just a
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  Wonderfully catchy drinking song.
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  And it's just, it's, it's everything a drinking song needs to be.
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  It's catchy. It's got a good hook.
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  It's repetitive. Everyone in on the stage knows the lyrics because they're in a pub.
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  They're all singing along. It's just,
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  it's so fun. And the choreography that has been set to that number is just,
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  I think that's the one that's going to have the audience really kind
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  of tapping their feet and humming along to.
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  That is awesome. ~ Sara, how about for you?
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  I hope so.
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  Which numbers are really some of your favorites from this production?
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  so from this one, ~ I mean,
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  I always have loved ~ I do anything.
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  ~ you know, a lot of people think of consider yourself and it gets catchy
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  and it gets stuck in your head,
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  but Cecily Gamara, who plays our dodger,
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  is just the most captivating nine-year-old I have ever met in my life.
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  And I think that song is just going to I mean
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  the audience is just gonna eat her up.
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  ~ she's so so incredible. So I love that one.
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  And again, that's a song that I get to connect with all of the kids during.
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  ~ so that makes it really fun as well.
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  but a song that I wasn't familiar with that I just I just died laughing
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  the other night is the Sourberries have a song called That's Your Funeral.
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  And the two actors, ~ Jared Bugby and Jennifer Horne,
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  Yeah.
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  are so brilliant. ~
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  With this twisted dark song, because they're undertakers,
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  ~ I think people are gonna leave kind of singing a song that they don't know,
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  Yeah.
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  ~ which I love because that's the most fun about musicals is finding songs that
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  you s keep humming on your way out that maybe you didn't know.
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  Cause I think a lot of people know pick-a-pocket.
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  I think a lot of people will hum,
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  consider yourself. I find myself night after night going to bed singing
• 21:55
  a song called
• 21:55
  Who will buy? ~ there's a quartet in the beginning of it with four
• 22:00
  of our ensemble members and it is probably the most beautiful singing
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  ~ you will hear the entire night to these this four part harmony.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  It's just it's incredible.
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  It's so awesome. So with a show like this,
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  with the darker themes as well and a little bit of light,
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  obviously we have things that maybe are themes or things that resonate
• 22:20
  the most with us from this production.
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  Kevin, what do you feel like is the theme that maybe resonates the most with you?
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  it really I I think that the thing that I come away come away with from this show
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  the most is just no matter the situation,
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  there is always hope for something better.
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  ~ whether it's Oliver hoping for a better life because of the lot that
• 22:47
  he got stuck with, or it's Nancy coming
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  to realize or struggling with.
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  She could be in a better spot than where she is.
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  ~ Fagan having this moral dilemma over what he's
• 23:05
  what his I mean, he's he's running a criminal criminal enterprise.
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  Let's let's not candy goat it.
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  but ~ you know, he's he he has moments where he's really struggling with that.
• 23:10
  Yeah.
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  And I I think that that really at the core of the show,
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  if I could sum the whole thing up,
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  it's it's hope. And even
• 23:24
  You know, I I mean, even Bill to a point,
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  it's, you know, there's this he's got his whole
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  his whole reputation, his whole existence is based on this this image
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  that he's projecting of strength and fear.
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  And Oliver comes in and damages all of that.
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  And
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  There's there's a lot of I think there's a lot of struggle on how do I battle that.
• 23:55
  Do I and it unfortunately Bill keeps making the choice of it's clearly more strength
• 24:01
  and fear and it backfires every time.
• 24:05
  So it's ~ I think that that is kind of like the overarching theme that
• 24:10
  I think that really drives the show.
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  Sara, how about for you? What do you feel like kind of resonates the most with you?
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  I mean, not to, you know, steal his answer,
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  but ~ I really, you know, it it seriously what Kevin said
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  is there is straight across the board ~ you know this this this
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  hope ~ throughout the story. Especially,
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  you know, you meet Oliver and I think from the very beginning everybody
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  in the audience is going to hope for him to find a better life than what he's been
• 24:47
  dealt.
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  You know, then you meet Nancy and it's like she talks about it and
• 24:51
  she even talks about, you know,
• 24:53
  how it's not gonna be for me, but then she meets Oliver and she's all
• 24:58
  of a sudden like, you know, hoping for more for this child than the hand that she's
• 25:03
  been dealt. ~ you know, I think you even see it with Fagan and the way he reacts to,
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  you know, some of the things he has.
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  ~ you know, he hides his jewels and and he kinda looks at them and it's it's almost
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  like this
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  underlying hope that, you know,
• 25:20
  he he could have had more. ~ so that just kind of,
• 25:24
  you know, I I truly believe that that's kind of like the under the
• 25:29
  the whole like theme of the entire show and even a little bit about sacrifice.
• 25:34
  ~ which again I don't want to give anything away,
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  but there's, you know, there's a sense of sacrifice for the situation
• 25:43
  to hope that this young man gets a better life.
• 25:45
  Both of those are beautiful answers.
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  And I just want to thank you both for being here.
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  And again, we are excited for Oliver to arrive.
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  ~ but thanks for c coming on and chatting with us.
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  it's been such a pleasure.
• 25:55
  Absolutely. Thank you so much for having us.
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  This has been fun.
• 25:58
  Yeah, thanks, Brian.
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  Oliver runs at Nicely Theatre Group for two weekends beginning
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  on july seventeenth and closing on the twenty sixth.
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  So get your tickets now and we'll see you at the show.