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Grounded Show Ep. 50 - Still Budda · The Grounded Show

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Yo. So this is episode fifty and were starting off I'm here with the
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boys. It's me Lester with Quincy and for an easy yo check this out.
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Man. I was blessed at a very young age with the unfortunate circumstance
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of having a lot of time to myself where I had to think all the
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time because that's all I had. This was before smartphones, This was before
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we had a whole bunch of stuff to waste your time. I was,
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and on top of that, I was poor. So even if that stuff
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was around, if I wasn't stealing it, I wasn't having I was blessed
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with this time, and this time led me to these thoughts and this basically
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like the basis of this podcast and what lovingly Joe always refers to that I
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have like this quality that you describe it, Joe, because I like how
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you say it. But it's gonna lead into what this show is about.
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Number fifty. It's gonna be real deep. I hope you all ready,
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like I said, Joe, um say the thing you were just saying.
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No. So we were talking about that level of giving and shit about what
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people thinking. There's a book that's out and it's that whether giving a fuck
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about anything right, And I feel like you you grow into that, and
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it's not about time. It's not how long it takes to go onto that,
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it's how much you go through to go into that. And I've never
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seen someone outside of Lester with such a level headedness and like such. It's
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kind of like a barrier to where anybody thinks that about how he thinks or
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what he knows or what he does. And even like I could give an
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example, bro, when nobody could actually believe I thought you were joking that
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you didn't know who Lincoln Parks and the Lincoln Park class like that blew my
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mind. But then there's nobody else who I expect that From a slight correction,
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I knew who they were, but I hadn't listened to any of their
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music, Like I knew peripherally, like oh, Lincoln Park. I kind
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of know what's like the main guys look like from like you know, stuff
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I've seen like on TV and stuff, but I definitely don't know none the
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like I know n be a young boy, but I can't name one song
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or anything about him that's not knowing them. I'm talking about owing them and
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no but it's just m it's you have to achieve a level of self awareness
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to reach that balance. And like I said, I'm going on my thirty
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ninth year. I'll be turning thirty ninety in a month. And I've only
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reached this level like maybe like two two and a half three years ago,
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where Wow, nothing bothers me. I can't let anything bother me. And
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I have such a barrier there that I don't have to live in conflict with
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it. I just disregard it. And it's being a long time. And
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that's one thing, like I unless it's younger, younger than me, and
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Ello he's realized this at an age way before I met him. And it's
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just that's something that you grow into and I think that everybody grows into it.
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And it's not about time, it's just about experience and how you deal
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with it. Yeah, there's um. I was watching Comedians and Cars like
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I always do, I always rerun it leaving in the background, and the
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episode where Jerry Seinfeldt had Eddie Murphy on. Eddie Murphy talks about talking to
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Prince and Prince saying that he wasn't fully confident a lot of times and Eddie
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Murphy's joke was like, like, you mean, you wasn't confident when your
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ass was out, you know what I'm saying. Like he was, he
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was like kind of making light of it, but it was like it blew
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his mind that Prince, somebody so flamboyant and so fearless in the eyes of
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the audience, was not confident. But the difference between Prince and somebody quote
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unquote regular is not necessarily the confidence. It's to me, I feel like
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the difference is the wisdom of knowing, Hey, I'm just a guy trying
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to be my best self and sometimes I'm gonna fall flat on my face.
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Sometimes it's gonna work, sometimes it's not. But if I don't try,
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or if I don't do it, and if I don't just say, hey,
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I'm not worried about what people think, You're not gonna reach that greatness.
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And it kind of goes with that quote where you was talking about last
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time, Joe, like good enough is the enemy is great, you know
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what I mean? Because like when you start to tie it into the music,
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like when you start making music, you get you're scared to go certain
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levels because you don't know how you're gonna sound at those certain levels. You're
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like, man, I can try to hit it in this kind of tone
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that this person does it in, but man, I'm scared that like with
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my voice or my style, it's not gonna sound as good or whatever.
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And that kind of thing holding you back, that kind of puts you in
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your comfort zone is the thing that's holding you back from really reaching that greatness
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because a lot of people are scared to put out the mediocre. A lot
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of people are scared to try and see, like, hey, I'm doing
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this different thing, let me, let me see what people like, and
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if they don't like it, they take it personal instead of saying, Okay,
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they don't like it, do I need to retool it and make it
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better? Or do I need to abandon it? You know what I'm saying.
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I always it sounds so simple, and I don't know if maybe I
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don't know what it is, but like it's so easy to me to just
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say I'm gonna look at it from my own point of view, Like,
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for example, I'm very picky about music, so I'm gonna assume that people
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are very picky about music, you know what I'm saying. So I'm gonna
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make sure I'm hitting all those things that drive me crazy when I hear music.
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You know what I'm saying, like the things that I don't like,
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so that somebody that is scrutinizing the music how I am will like the music.
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And I understand that tastes are so specific that it's something that if you're
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trying to penetrate that zone as far as getting into, like a certain sound,
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you're gonna have, Like I said, you're gonna have to try it.
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Say Okay, is this something that I need to improve upon or just
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abandon altogether? Or is it something that people are enjoying and I need to
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keep going that way? You know what I'm saying, And that awareness and
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that being able to detach yourself and detach your feeling from it and just really
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look at it in a point like a matter of factory point of view.
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Yeah, I feel like it's so beneficial just all levels. And you said
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it perfectly, And I want to pose the same question to both of you.
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So you said a word earlier that that really resonates with me. Wisdom
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wisdom. What do I consider wisdom? Wisdom is the experiences you've been through
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and what you've learned from them, right, that's wisdom. You've gained wisdom,
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you've game knowledge, you learn how to deal with something you've been through.
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If you you know the definition of insaying that you're doing the same thing
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over and over again expecting a different results. If you do that for twenty
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years, you don't get wisdom from that. You don't get an experienced from
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that, you know what I mean. So confidence comes from wisdom and knowing
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how you've done things for so long, and how you've grown and what you've
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learned how you do things now. So there's a fine line between confidence and
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just being absolutely delusional. And when creating contro creating music and creating where you
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too know as what your fans, potential fans, future fans, past fans,
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president fans want it here. Where do you judge that line of confidence
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and when you know this is what you're supposed to put out for you.
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So to kind of tie it back into the wisdom thing, the way I
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kind of look at it is I'm going to kind of look for guidance in
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knowledge that is in my realm. So basically what I'm saying is I'm gonna
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kind of seek mentorship slash advice slash. I'm gonna I'm gonna try to take
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lessons from people that are in a field or in a lifestyle that I aspire
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to be in, you know what I'm saying. So if starting there,
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I look at it from the point of view of like, Okay, when
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I'm making a certain kind of sound, I'm gonna first look to people that
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are making that kind of sound because there's always basic principles in those things that
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are always true, Like there's always opinion stuff, there's always style stuff.
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But then there's also always like pillars in everything, and I kind of look
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for those pillars from people that have done it already, and then I kind
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of play around with it around that framework, you know what I mean,
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And then I kind of already know like, for example, perfect example,
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the song that I sent you guys yesterday, I don't make that kind of
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music, you know what I'm saying, but I like it, And when
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I heard that vibe, I'm like, oh man, I could definitely make
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that kind of vibe with this. What I did with that for a while,
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like a good almost a week or so, because I had to.
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I was sitting on the beat for a little bit I'm listening to it and
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I'm just kind of thinking about songs that are in that vein. I'm thinking
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about people that are in that vibe. I'm thinking about visually how it looks.
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I'm thinking about the topics they talk about. I'm thinking about the vibe
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that it gives you. I'm really like kind of trying to take in the
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vibe and just the sound and the atmosphere of it to really attack it the
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right way. I don't want to attack it from the strait, you know,
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R and B mind that I'm attacking. So that's where that confidence is.
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Confidence is knowing that you've answered all those questions for the people rather than
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just yourself and satisfying yourself exactly. It's like you got you gotta stick to
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the pillars. That's just gonna apply to music, regardless of if you like
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it or not, and then also stick to what you enjoy that you feel
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like you could sustain. Like everything that I put out is always gonna be
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something that I feel like I can give you more of, which is why
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certain records that y'all know about, I might hold onto them, or I
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might try to figure out how to retool it. Because it's not my vibe.
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And if I find success in that lane, it doesn't help me because
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that's not the lane I want to be in. So, Joe, I
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want you to kind of reask that question. I kind of got lost into
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what Lester was saying that I forgot where we started. My bad so asked
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me the question again. No, how do you balance that line between confidence
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of you know exactly what you're putting out is what you're supposed to put out,
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or you're just overconfident, like, no, this is the shit everybody
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needs to listen to from me? Like, how do you balance that line?
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I think for me, one, it's a it's a feeling, you
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know what I'm saying that that I get, Like there's certain songs that I'll
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send to y'all that I have a great feeling about, and there's other songs
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that I'll send to y'all, and I'm just like, I just want some
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feedback, you know what I'm saying, Like, I feel like there's a
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feeling that comes with that leads to that confidence. But also for me personally,
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you know, I have a small circle of people that I know have
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a good ear for music that I kind of bounce ideas off of you know
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what I'm saying that, Like I'll send something and be like what do you
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think? And like I know this actually was one of the things that used
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to like bother Leicester because I would send things that weren't done, or I
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would send things that were like unfinished and stuff like that. But you know,
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for me, you know it, like I like knowing like all right,
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yo, this is going down the right lane before kind of like what
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Lester said, like if he knows it's something that he can't give you way
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more of, then it's not something that he's gonna be a one hundred percent
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positive with putting it out. For me, it's like I want to make
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sure I'm going down the right lane before I even try to put it out
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or I even try to like waste my time going forward with it, if
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that makes sense, or putting the money into get like you know what I'm
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saying. I could go all the way through the recording process, get it
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professionally mixed, do all of that stuff, and then at the end,
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I'm like, yo, I do not like this, you know what I
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mean? Like, so I try to like utilize that circle as well,
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Like so this is my thing. Like the way I look at that is
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those songs that you're talking about that you're kind of sending for like, I
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don't know, that's kind of not my vibe whatever. Like for me in
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my process, I wouldn't even send those you know what I'm saying, just
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because of that, Like I already told myself in my mind, this is
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not my vibe. Even if I could make something of it, It's not
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really something that I'm gonna go gung hole into, you know what I mean.
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You know, I'm just gonna put that to the side, And it
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kind of leads into what I was gonna like say about what you just said.
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Quency is at the end of the day, you gotta figure out and
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not just you, I'm just saying in general, like you gotta figure out
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what your vibe is and how to keep pursuing that, and then you ask
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for guidance or help or whatever, like, don't look to anybody to give
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you that identity or to tell you, hey, like you should be here
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whatever whatever that is, Like, you gotta figure that out yourself and then
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say, all right, what's going on? And that kind of ties into
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what we're talking about last week where I was saying, there's certain people that
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they won't even start working on stuff until they have somebody like you know that
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they sign up to like help them do it, you know what I mean.
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They'll be like, oh, you know, let's let's pull up here
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this day or whatever, and they kind of use that person to kind of
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brainstorm and kind of help them figure it out and stuff like that. And
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it's like, when it comes to certain things, you gotta do. You
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gotta figure that all out by yourself. Because that's something I learned with the
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music too, Like it's part of the wisdom. Brother, that's how you
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gain wisdom, and you're just doing the same shit every be with low results.
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Yep. And that's that's something I learned earlier in the music, Like
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when I used to wrap, It's like you can. You can. You
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can kind of create something and make a vibe where it's viable and it's something
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that people get behind because of the specialness in you or just the drive that
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you have or whatever the case is. But if it's not sustainable, or
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if it's not something that's truly feeding you, you're always gonna have that friction
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in that situation, you know, what I'm saying, like I just knew
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like that world like for me and for the type of person I was and
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the type of music I made as far as like when I used to wrap.
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It was more like I had to realize, like, Yo, this
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is just not like this lane is not me no more at all at all,
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you know what I'm saying. And when I switched to the music,
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kind of tying into the shout out to dolore Man, he had me on
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indie Jams either the Grind Radio on Saturday, and we had a dope conversation
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and we kind of got into like when I used to wraping stuff because he
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was a big fan of my stuff back in the day. And with the
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rapping thing, it just turned into something that just wasn't me anymore. And
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that's why the singing thing took off, because it just aligned more with like
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my energy and my vibe and everything. And once I figured out that I
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had to take my music away from that rap energy, even though I was
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singing, I was still giving it that rap energy, and I had to
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realize, Okay, like I'm in a whole different zone right now, you
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know what I'm saying. And once I aligned with that zone, that's when
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everything was like, Okay, now things are doing well, people are enjoying
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the sound, you know what I'm saying, And that kind of ties into
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the confidence thing. It's like, I'm not gonna pretend like I'm making the
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best music in the world, but I also understand no, no, but
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check this out. But I also understand that my music will be the best
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thing in the world to certain people. So the perfect transition into the final
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topic I was getting into is when you cross that line, you're into delusional.
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And someone in that might not even be music, someone starting their business,
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someone has an idea, or someone has something that they think and they're
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thinking of the end goal where before they have even put the foundation in the
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start where they where they want to get, and you're listening to them,
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and and you're at the point where that's not confidence, like you know what
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I mean, Like you're if you're not even thinking of the groundwork you have
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to do for that you I think that's border that's crossing over the delusional,
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like you're not taking account reality. And like you said, once you start
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realizing what's really going on, what's best for you and what's going to be
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best for what you're doing. That's confidence, and that's what I mean,
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Like, there's a there's a fine line there, and there's people who are
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just who just cross that line. That's what they're now. What I'm doing,
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this is the best ship that you ever heard, best shit you've ever
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seen, and there's nothing better than what I'm gonna Donna, dude, they
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haven't even done yet. But that's also why these these conversations that we're having
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right now, and something we were talking about offers like we have a certain
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type of vibe with like the people that we even mess with collectively that it's
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always good vibes. Why is that because we're the type of people that kind
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of get the nuance of things, and the type of people that you're talking
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about you kind of just gotta laugh and agree and keep it moving because they're
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not even gonna understand what you just said. You get what I'm saying.
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Like, I'm the type of person bro that once I see that's where your
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mind is at, I'm not even trying to change your mind, you know
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what I'm saying. That's why I like, even with like the music stuff,
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like I'm not I'm not trying to make nobody a fan. I don't
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have that like Kanye. Yeah, I don't have the Kanye thing in me
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of like, Yo, I'm the dopest. Can't you like why you ain't
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listening to me? You know what I'm saying, Like you gotta be my
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fan because I'm just the dopest artist. Like that Kanye thing is like it's
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non existing in me, you know what I mean. I move completely opposite
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with my music and my sound and everything. But the funny thing is there
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is a little bit of that in there that you would like to have,
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but confidence exactly what the issue with that is the line is never constant either,
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so it's a hard place to dabble in. Yeah, yeah, I
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I agree. The line moves. The line moves a lot over time.
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It's like you gotta find a way to like dance right up on it and
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just be right up on it all the time, but not be on it
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or even like too close to it, you know what I mean? Because
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he goes back to what I was saying, it's like music, like music
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to me is so special and so magical. But at the same time I
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understand that there's people that don't even listen to music that to them is stupid.
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It's hell like they do not care about music. So there's the duality
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of that. And like I said, that's why I'm in a space where
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it's like, I know what I'm doing is dope, and I know what
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I'm doing is monumental to the people that are on that wave. But I'm
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not trying to bring everybody to the wave. I'm just trying to figure out
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who is in that wave and that that is exactly how I feel our approach
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for this podcast is. And but we get so much respect about what we
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do. I was with HOI, Um, like, are we gonna have
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to go at the pool party? And let's just dude, how I did
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a podcast with the Bag and he the first thing he said was like,
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I love that you're doing it, And he's like, I love how consistent
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y'all are and how it just doesn't stop. And that's all that matters.
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It just doesn't stop. I have another homeboy shout out to Wayning with Travis.
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They have a boxing podcast, you do. I trained with over and
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winning Springs. Um, same thing. I haven't seen him in forever,
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and when I want to go train with them, he says, love that
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you're doing the podcast. Love that y'all consistent of the quality. And it's
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like, as long as you're consistent and putting shit out and you don't have
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to convince anybody that you need to do listen to me over anybody else,
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that's how that's how you put shit out, That's how it stays genuine.
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That's how you stay confident, like of what you're doing. And we're just
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gonna keep doing what we're doing and it's for the people who listen. And
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that's what I mean. It's an approach there. I've seen people put out
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podcasts or they think just because they've got a cool Instagram and flash year arn't
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work, that makes it a great podcast. And this the quality is not
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there to match. There's so many different things you have to look at when
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you're thinking about if you're confident and you're or you're just delusion on you think
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what you're making is the best, right man. The big thing is the
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consistency too. You know, Um you said, I know a lot of
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people that started a podcast after us and stopped it before us, you know
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what I mean. So it's definitely the consistency as well. Yeah, it's
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something. I think it was the episode when y'all wearing on. But like
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some people, their only goal is to start the podcast and they never even
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get it off the ground, like when a podcast is so they have an
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Instagram and they have a logo for it, and they have a coming soon.
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They have everything but the podcast. And that's what I love the molester
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with his approach is the most important thing about this podcast is what we're talking
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about. That's all he cares about. Nothing else, the R word,
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the Instagram, all that shit don't matter. What matters what we talk about.
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And there's not a lot of people who do that. They're all about
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the flashiness, the videos, the reels, it's and that, but the
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actual content it is not even there. And that's that that that's what makes
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the saturation of the podcast community so difficult. But that's because people were trying
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to portray themselves a certain way on social media. John Morant, But you
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know, perfect, you know what's funny real quick, just because we're on
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that fiftieth episode Vibe, you know what I'm saying. When when I first
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thoughted, like, first of all, the grounded thing really just came from
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me trying to figure out a new idea for merch, you know what I'm
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saying. I was trying to like make some merch that was kind of detached
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from me but was still dope and just still tied into what I was about.
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And I really took like a month to really think about the logo,
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really think about the name, really think like I really just took my time
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to think about it, you know what I mean, And it ended up
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being the grounded thing, and then it just ended up turning into like its
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own thing. And the reason why I wanted to do the podcast is because
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originally, like me and Quincy didn't even really know Joe, like we were
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in I was in the fantasy football league with him for a few years.
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Yeah, we didn't even talk, like we just talked in the chat,
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you know what I'm saying. And me and Quincy would always have these like
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we spent a lot of time together in the studio and being together in the
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studio and just working on different projects together. Like a lot of times we
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would just sit like on a smoke break or even just in the middle of
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what we was doing and we would just kind of have these conversations and we
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were both like when we when we started the podcast, it really was like
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kind of too late, but also it was at the perfect time because I
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feel like we were at the level slash mindset slash we hadn't we really had
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something to say, you know what I'm saying, Like we had really been
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through something multiple times and really persevered through it multiple times, and really like
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took our lives to a level past everybody behind us and our families, you
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know what I'm saying, Like all them things, it was like, all
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right, we can We really got something to say, And I really wanted
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to document all that stuff because kind of like you were saying, Joe,
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a lot of people don't, A lot of people think too much about the
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money and all this extra stuff when it's like at the end of the day,
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bro, like what matters is like what's real, and what's real is
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what we're doing, you know what I'm saying, Like we're really talking about
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some real beneficial stuff for everybody. Like if people might not catch it now,
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it might take a year, it might take two years. It might
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take for the music stuff to pop off more for people to come back and
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listen to this and be like oh man, dang, like yo, this
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is fire or whatever, like and kind of what we were saying earlier,
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like there's gonna be a lot of people that don't find no value on what
24:42
we're saying, and that's cool, you know what I'm saying. We're looking
24:48
for the people that are going to find a value in it. Something that
24:51
like has been really important to me and like the last few years, that
24:55
really is like the foundation of my mindset is Like a lot people always say
25:00
like, oh, they're not on my level. People automatically their mind takes
25:04
them to levels being like this, you know what I mean. They always
25:08
imagine levels being somebody's above somebody or below somebody. Levels can be spread out,
25:15
and that's how I look at levels, and it's like, yeah,
25:18
you're not on my level, but I'm not above you either. We're just
25:23
left and right in different places. I'm not higher, I'm not lower.
25:27
We're on the same path. We're just in different locals successful where we're at
25:33
in life exactly like you're on your path, I'm on my path, and
25:40
me thinking like that has been so beneficial for me. And I also recognize
25:45
that that might not be beneficial for other people. Other people might interpret that
25:48
a different way. And it might lead their life down a different path.
25:52
That's not what mine did, you know what I'm saying. But that's the
25:55
beauty of it. You pick what makes sense to you. You think about
25:59
the that you're on, and then you pick up things that help you maintain
26:03
that path. You know what I'm saying. If you're walking along a path
26:07
and you need tools, and you picked up a hammer and you keep walking
26:11
and then you see another hammer, You're not gonna walk with the two hammers.
26:15
You already got the hammer you need, you know what I'm saying.
26:18
And that's kind of like what you gotta do when picking up these nuggets from
26:21
people is like you you can listen to everything they say and understand what applies
26:26
to you and the stuff that don't apply to you, it's still something you
26:29
can learn. You can take everything. Bro. You gonna be a sponge
26:34
your whole life. They say you're a sponge the most when you're like two
26:37
or three years old, but you gotta be a sponge your whole life.
26:41
Man. That's why you you don't react to shit as much as you get
26:45
older. Because I've heard that ship before. Man, I've had and that's
26:49
kind of how I was, especially when I was still living with my mom,
26:52
still working at KFC, Like I hung out with people that, you
26:56
know, we're doing better than me a lot, Like I was probably at
27:00
a place more than at home, and it motivated me, you know what
27:03
I'm saying. It motivated me to get out of my situation and I learned,
27:07
you know what I mean. And I feel like some people that makes
27:10
them uncomfortable, you know. It's like, you know, I feel like
27:15
before every level of growth, there's like a certain level of discomfort and I,
27:18
you know, like we were talking about off the part that's kind of
27:21
where I feel that right now, you know what I'm saying, Just even
27:23
as far as I've come, I feel like I'm at a cross from right
27:26
now with growing that it's a little bit of discomfort, you know. But
27:30
some people just not They don't work well under under that circumstance, under that
27:34
discomfort. Saturn's returned, Doug. I'm pretty sure I've mentioned that to you
27:41
to both of y'all before. It's not necessarily something I believe in from the
27:45
sense of the metaphysical reasoning behind it, but it's the idea that Saturn returns
27:56
to the degree and sign it was at the time you were born, like
27:59
when you're like your late twenties really early thirties, and it's kind of like
28:03
your entryway into adulthood, you know what I mean. It's like your life
28:10
is shifting from one thing to the next. And like I said, the
28:14
you know, the science behind it or whatever doesn't convince me, but it
28:18
makes sense. It's just because it's a time in your life where you are
28:22
just making that transition. You know what I'm saying. Everybody in that period,
28:26
you know, just you're going through these shifts and you're really saying,
28:30
all right, I'm past you know, I'm past that part. Now.
28:36
Now what we're doing is you know what I'm saying, Like, what what's
28:38
the next ten years gonna look like? You know what I'm saying, Like
28:41
I was thinking about these ten years before and now I'm in it, and
28:45
dang, I did it, you know what I'm saying, So what's next
28:48
now? Yeah? And only that something you touched on earlier is you know,
28:52
the perception people have of you, and then when you've been the person
28:56
you are so long that people see you that in that way that you are
29:00
now and not in the way it used to be that shit feels good too,
29:06
Yes sir, yes, sir, So I ain't gonna lie. Man.
29:11
You're talking about you know, people seeing you as you are and I
29:12
used to be. I really want to get into this. John Morant and
29:15
JJ Rennick a perfect, perfect jow So check this out. For those who
29:22
don't know. John Moran is a player on the Grizzlies. I believe he's
29:26
the point guard. Now with the way basketball is, I don't even think
29:30
that matters no more. But that's another topic. Anyway. He plays for
29:33
the Grizzlies, had an incident a few months ago where he flashed the gun
29:37
at a strip club on IG live, got suspended I believe eight games,
29:41
did about a weekend of some counseling, came back, seemed like everything was
29:47
cool. Then in the last week he was on IG live again with a
29:51
gun and the NBA suspended him. And definitely they're figuring out, you know,
29:56
they're investigating to see what they're gonna what his fine it's going to be,
30:00
what the suspension is going to be, and all the sports shows have
30:03
basically been debating how long it should be either way, you know what I'm
30:07
saying. Some people are saying, you know, twenty games, fifty games,
30:11
the whole season. You know, people are debating either side or how
30:15
it was. But crack sports, his favorite meets dog, sends one wrong
30:26
tweet and all of a sudden, my god, but Noah, So what
30:34
you guys are talking about is j jj Reddick, a former NBA player turned
30:38
analyst, a fan favorite because he's kind of like the side of the players
30:44
and uh not to mention, John Moran is a black guy. Um,
30:48
jj Reddick is a white guy. So jj Reddick brings up the point of
30:52
maybe this thing, I mean not maybe, but he kind of just brought
30:56
up how interesting it is that there's politician that are on campaign ads with guns
31:02
and they have guns in their kids' hands, and there's you know, somebody
31:06
showing off that they're at a range shooting a dummy or something like that.
31:10
He flashed the gun in the state where it's legal for him to have a
31:12
gun. So jj Reddick is kind of just saying, like, he didn't
31:15
break any laws, he didn't do anything wrong. So what are we really
31:19
talking about? Other people are arguing, you know, you're the face of
31:22
the NBA. You know, you're the person that people are looking to for
31:27
guidance. The NBA is also looking for you to be a role model.
31:30
There's different opinions in it, and it's something that came up with us just
31:34
because it was such a big topic because, you know, one we couldn't
31:38
believe that it happened again, it's like wow, man, like you flashed
31:41
another gun on Instagram live. But then JJ Reddick says what he says,
31:45
and it's like, huh, good point, good point. I will say
31:49
one thing, you know, when it comes to losing sponsorships or losing deals
31:56
or whatever it may be, because you're supposed to, like they said,
32:00
be the face of the NBA or be the you know whatever that aspect of
32:05
it, I completely understand if I'm you know what I'm saying. I don't
32:08
know what deals he has, but I'm just saying, if I'm Adidas and
32:12
I'm you know what I'm saying, you're a part of you're representing my organization,
32:15
then you know I have the right to pull out of dealing with you
32:20
from how you portray yourself. From the other side of it, though,
32:22
for him actually being a basketball player and playing basketball, JJ has a great
32:29
point of like, what are we really doing, Like if you want to
32:32
take money from him, if you want to you know what I'm saying,
32:36
like do everything outside or suspend him from playing basketball, then what are we
32:39
really doing? I get that point of it, But I also see the
32:43
side of you know what I'm saying. If I'm working for an organization and
32:47
you know I you know, I can't portray myself a certain way because it's
32:54
I'm with this organization, then how do they how do they punish you?
33:00
You know what I'm saying, Because technically he is representing the NBA. You
33:05
know, it's not a good representation at all. But at the same time,
33:10
he didn't break any long so it is a very very great area.
33:14
It almost goes back to Iverson and how they treated Iverson just for being too
33:19
hood, you know. So I think something that gets lost in the big
33:23
part of the story, like for casual people that have heard of it,
33:28
is John Moran also has a history of different events. As far as you
33:31
know, he beat up a high school kid at a basketball game. He's
33:35
claimed self defense because the kid threw a ball at him and me, I
33:38
would argue, why would you fight a high school kid when you were a
33:42
grown man, you know what. So there, you know, there was
33:45
an an incident where they believe him or an associate might have flashed a gun
33:51
at I forgot what arena was, but he was at some arena and they
33:54
flashed a laser at some officials, I mean, some people that work with
34:00
organization and slash players, and they didn't we weren't able to find out if
34:02
it was a gun or what if it was a laser pointer or whatever it
34:06
was. So there's also a history and a pattern of you know, he's
34:14
built this reputation of he's kind of looking for trouble and people are kind of
34:16
looking at it from the point of view of like, why are you trying
34:20
to be hood? You know what I'm saying. Obviously, nobody knows why
34:23
he's doing what he's doing or what the reasoning it is or whatever. But
34:28
for me, I kind of see both sides of it, Like I understand
34:31
that he hasn't technically done anything that has broken a law or anything, so
34:36
you can also kind of downplay it, but I also understand that there's a
34:39
history and when you're the face of the NBA, from the point of view
34:44
of you might be the next guy having their signature shoe that everybody's wearing.
34:49
You might be the guy that's on the all the billboards. You might be
34:51
the guy that they associate a billion dollar organization with for the next ten years.
34:57
You know what I'm saying, Like you might be one of their goats.
34:59
And think about a situation like obviously I'm not saying that John Muran has
35:05
done anything like this or even remotely close to anything like this, but I'm
35:07
guessing what the NBA is trying to avoid is having one of their all time
35:12
grades be so tarnished like the NFL has with OJ Simpson. O J.
35:16
Simpson. What gets lost in all of this is OJ Simpson was one of
35:20
the greatest running facts of all time, bro, But nobody is ever gonna
35:25
know that because of all the other stuff that surrounded him, So all that
35:30
kind of just goes away. So there's a certain period even of the NFL
35:36
that like they kind of don't really call back to, and there's like a
35:38
certain era that they don't even really play a lot of clips from because of
35:42
that. It's kind of like the same thing that happened with the WWE and
35:45
Chris Benwall. They kind of had to erase a whole part of their history
35:49
because of what that guy did outside of the WWE. Yeah, So it's
35:54
kind of like a thing that I always think about just period, Like whenever
35:58
you're gonna go and somebody else's sandbox, you gotta play by their rules,
36:02
you know what I'm saying. So, like, regardless of what the rules
36:06
they impose on you are, if you're not in your own situation, you
36:09
gotta do what they are telling you to do. What's your thoughts, Joe,
36:16
I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep it quick and simple, just to wrap
36:21
it up because we're getting across it. And I'm not gonna hate because my
36:25
stupid ass. When I was like twenty three years old, I had That's
36:30
when I had a lot of guns. I had like a linement nine millimeter
36:34
all chromed out. I had a Snub forty and this is one of my
36:38
Space was out bro. I was on my Space like this, this is
36:42
my profile picture with the gun on my forehead, white Desperado. Then talking
36:52
about Jim No, you don't want purpose, and I do not know the
36:57
answer to that question. I was young, I was stupid him flashing the
37:01
guns on life. What is the purpose. Here's a difference. I was
37:07
on my space in my bedroom, not doing shit in my life, being
37:13
a hold on. You're getting pick millions and millions and millions where you can
37:17
make it such a big difference. Here's impact. Here's my rebuttal to that
37:23
there is no difference. He's just living his life the same way you're living
37:28
your life. But if the circumstances don't matter, Yeah, but that's his
37:31
circumstances may have bigger flash your guns. He's not he's not looking he's not
37:37
looking at life through your lens, like, and he never will because it's
37:40
his life, you know what I'm saying, Like that that thing to me
37:44
of people saying that to me, I feel like it's not valid because he's
37:49
just a person. Bro. He's not thinking about old Bro. We all
37:53
we all think the way of the world is on our shoulders. Like even
37:57
the people doing the most stupid stuff every day, they think that their life
38:01
is the craziest, most hardest thing. They went through the craziest stuff,
38:06
even us, bro, Like, we think about our lives and we're like,
38:08
damn man, like I've been nobody coming. Yeah, bro, we're
38:13
just living the same life that billions of people lived before us. Bro,
38:17
I agree, that's all we all need to take a slice of that humble
38:22
pie, because we don't know. We're all different, man, everybody's different.
38:25
But it's just to me I would feel that, and that's maybe just
38:30
over growth. When I finally reached a kind of income that that changed how
38:37
I was and I was like, no, I don't ever want to lose
38:40
this, and that changed too, I was. But I don't know if
38:43
that would have changed me at age twenty three, So I can't really And
38:47
I didn't even know how old he is. I'm not saying he's twenty three,
38:50
but that's ye is it? Okay? Yeah? But yeah, so
38:53
person it might be twenty four, I mean, but either way, so
38:55
I don't I don't know. Maybe if I was making a million dollars at
39:00
that age, would I act the same or different? I don't know.
39:02
Maybe I wouldn't so, but to me, that's the only thing I looked
39:07
like like I wish if I was in that position, I would see the
39:12
potential of what I have and who I can be, which is at a
39:16
level that nobody, no I want in a million chances get to experience that
39:22
would navigate you a little better. But that's that's just me assuming. Yeah,
39:30
it's it's kind of goes back to like what we kind of started with,
39:32
like talking about celebrities and them not having confidence when they do certain things,
39:37
and just we're all human, you know what I mean. And at
39:42
the end of the day, people like a lot of times there's certain things
39:46
that I'll say, like specifically about how like insignificant certain things are and how
39:52
we're all the same, like we're not reinventing anything. Like if people take
39:55
that in a negative way, and I don't look at it like that at
39:59
all, you know what I'm saying. It's just it's the reality of the
40:02
situation you're in, and it lets you know, like, bro, we're
40:09
here to build the best thing that we can build the best way that we
40:13
can. All the other stuff or whatever anybody else is doing or what.
40:17
And this kind of could apply to John Moran too. Maybe I don't know
40:21
what his situation is, but maybe he's considering other people's view of him or
40:25
other other people what they got going on, instead of thinking about, Okay,
40:29
what's gonna feed me in my life and what's gonna make you know,
40:32
what's gonna propel me into the next fifty years of my life, you know
40:37
what I mean, Maybe if he thought, I don't know, maybe he's
40:38
not thinking like that, and that's what's leading him to make these decisions.
40:43
You know what I'm saying. It's strictly maintaining an image. It's maintaining image.
40:47
There's nothing you do that for yourself. Well, I don't care.
40:51
I can't speak. I can't speak him saying, maybe he does that for
40:52
himself, for his confidence, for his persona. Maybe it's you know,
40:58
it might not be to maintaining it's just crazy. Too many aspects of it.
41:00
It's hard to judge. It's hard to decide what why he's doing it.
41:05
But the fact that he's doing it sucks because he's such a talented player,
41:08
and that little ship can ruin everything you have going for you, and
41:14
it's just part of the system, and if you can avoid it, it's
41:16
the best thing to do. What I will say, though, is that
41:20
you know, um, and we see this a lot, especially with you
41:23
know, young black athletes, UM, is that his circle? They gotta
41:29
be better, you know what I'm saying, Because at the end of the
41:31
day, you know, I don't care if we're gonna live. I don't
41:34
care if we're private. Bro, if if you my my dog and you're
41:38
the reason why you know what I'm saying, Like even if you're not,
41:42
you know what I'm saying, really like feeding me. But if you're the
41:45
reason we able, I'm able to eat good periodically. You know what I'm
41:46
saying. I'm gonna take care of you. I'm gonna make sure that he
41:51
Bro, you saw what happened last time you did, like put that drunk
41:53
away. You know what I'm saying. You're saying you like at the end
41:57
of the day, it never like there's no benefits to doing it, you
42:00
know what I'm saying, Like nobody's telling him, Hey, bro, like
42:04
you you look at a pros and cons list. Yeah, you look at
42:07
a pros and cons list to this thing, and there's no pros to what
42:09
you're doing, Like, so why are you doing it? You know?
42:14
And then that goes back to something we were talking about off air also,
42:16
like there's just certain people that you just got to cut off, Like some
42:22
people think a certain type of way, like what you were talking about earlier,
42:24
Joe, like that delusion and just not realizing like that you can do
42:30
things to really like improve your life if you like, detach your ego.
42:35
Some people just don't get that and just will never get it. And you
42:37
can spend your whole life trying to change that person, or you can focus
42:42
on making your life the best that it can be. You know what I'm
42:45
saying, And I always encourage everybody to do that. Just try to do
42:49
the best you can do as you as a person for you, because you
42:53
trying to do something, you know, something for somebody that they don't even
42:55
want for themselves is never gonna work. That sh just just it's a reflection.
43:00
That shit just reflects out who you are. And that's one of my
43:04
one of my close friends. He has a great quote for people like that
43:07
they're not living right, and you could tell when someone's living around and they're
43:10
not you could tell. And and if you're living right, people can tell.
43:15
Also you don't have to tell them. They they'll see it. Yep.
43:21
Your your your proof of lifestyle is basically your resume, you know what
43:24
I mean. I think you said something along these lines but before Joe,
43:30
but like something kind of like where all you really have is like your word
43:32
and and who you are as a man, you know what I mean.
43:36
If you are a man, you know what I'm saying. If if you're
43:38
a woman, all you have is your word and who you are as a
43:40
woman. You know, whoever you are, you just being true to yourself.
43:45
It's always gonna win no matter what. That's the fact, Jack,
43:52
Yeah, man, some I mean by the time y'all here there, so
43:54
it'll have been out for a few days. But tomorrow, which is Friday,
43:58
the nineteenth of May twenty twenty three, me and Quincy dropping that Good
44:02
Morning Love. I'm in the middle of putting I haven't even told y'all this,
44:07
but I'm putting together a little summer pack with Unk. We haven't figured
44:14
out the title exactly yet, but me and Hammer are basically gonna drop this
44:17
little like two to four project pack. It's not like an album, it's
44:22
not an EP nothing. It's just gonna be some summer vibes. You know.
44:27
I'm trying to drop it in July. The latest, I mean in
44:30
June, but the latest will be July. You know what I'm saying.
44:34
Some people still got some time in the sum with it. So oh yeah,
44:38
yeah, man, what y'all got going on? Mike, shoot tomorrow,
44:43
man, I'm shooting the video for up. Got that joint dropping on
44:49
June four, I think, anyways, early June. I'll get the details
44:53
in the next episode, but shooting the video for that. I got this
44:57
performance on Sunday, so we'll have some content for that pretty soon too.
45:00
Pretty excited about this weekend, man, Yeah, sir, I love it.
45:06
Man, I'm excited for what's coming out tomorrow. I'm excited for what
45:12
I've been hearing, the chats coming out. We're all fun on our group
45:15
at the same time. Man, Like I'm still finding time, Like yesterday
45:17
I whipped up crazy stupid sounding mix, but like I'm getting better and I'm
45:23
practicing, like I'm one of the times that it's not going to come out
45:25
till it's ready, but I'm getting so closer, Like it's happening now.
45:31
I'm just perfecting. I have to have to have a really good one as
45:35
a really good process. Later I want to make shall tracks in it,
45:37
man. And it's just good that the creative I have not stopped and they're
45:43
continuously going. Man, and I love it. Like now to the my
45:45
point of my friends are asking me, They're like, yo, it was
45:47
good with the DJ and I'm like, yeah, so it's like people are
45:51
like invested in it and that keeps me motivated. And it's something that I'm
45:55
glad I started back up, bro. And it's just like you go through
45:59
the ups and down, you go through the distractions and ship, but you
46:01
find your way back to it and just keep at it. YEA. The
46:05
fact that you're invest in your time and energy and is the key, bro.
46:07
Like you don't have to put limits or deadlines on what you're doing,
46:12
but as long as you're feeding it and you're you're getting it ready, that's
46:15
all that matters, you know what I mean. And there's people who support
46:19
you, believe in you. That's even better man. Facts. Yeah,
46:22
man, I'm glad y'all y'all here form number fifty. If you always here
46:25
from one to fifty, super appreciate you. If you was here just for
46:30
this one, we still super appreciate you. I hope y'all learn something from
46:34
this, yo. Should we let, you know, explain the origin of
46:40
Stay Butter to save it from that's an I was just about to say,
46:44
that's so we're gonna stave it from a hunted But you know what We're still
46:49
gonna stay, but not umbout m